[WRC] Rally Chile BIOBÍO 2024

[meh]

Is Hyundai going for the Tänak - Neuville swap at the end of the day?

why they should? From manu points of view they don't earn anything, the title at the moment is to be decided between Tänak and Neuville and it is quite sure it will be Neuville.

[meh]

Quite some fog. Who want to risk may win big prices... or loose all.

[TypeR]

This is fording crazy weather :D fog+rain+wipers :D

[Dontcut]

This fog is bonkers. Remember guys, camera picture improve visibility, in reality it is much worse for human visioon.

[NoBudgetWRT]

This fog is bonkers. Remember guys, camera picture improve visibility, in reality it is much worse for human visioon.

it's getting worse and will be cancelled

[meh]

This fog is proper lottery, how much and where you get it...

[Dontcut]

No coverage Rally2 situatsioon? Amazing quality

[erikli2]

Why did Lappi check in 2 mins too early to the TC? A mistake or on purpose?

[TypeR]

No coverage Rally2 situatsioon? Amazing quality
Awful.

[EstWRC]

why did Tänak lose so much?

[Tauri_J]

why did Tänak lose so much?

Fog, plus he always struggles with tough conditions

Evans Lost even more though

[Danny0405]

Drama in WRC-2 with Solberg having to change a wheel and also Rossel that lost time.
Could change a lot of things in the championship and give an advantage to Pajari if things stay like this

Gryazin 1st
Greensmith + 16.4
Rossel + 31.3
Solans + 38.3
Solberg + 1:23.7

[Tauri_J]

God this looks like another crazy stage

They better not cancel it

[TypeR]

It's rally. If needed, lift the pedal..

[Tauri_J]

Tänak with 6 hards lol

[meh]

With that pace Tänak is going to lose place to Neuville.

[erikli2]

What are the blue/red lights on the dashboard in Thierrys car? Didn't seem to be connected to the RPM or the hybrid

[TypeR]

If Tanak loses time on purpose to give a place to Neuville.. I will quit watching rally..

[NoBudgetWRT]

With that pace Tänak is going to lose place to Neuville.

As predicted

[Tauri_J]

If Tanak loses time on purpose to give a place to Neuville.. I will quit watching rally..
What do you mean on purpose lol?

[meh]

Seems that in the beginning there is some cloud or fog stronger or Tänak and Evans both can not handle it (I doubt). After first few splits the tempo is the same as Rovanperä.

[CeskyOndra]

If Tanak loses time on purpose to give a place to Neuville.. I will quit watching rally..

Why?

[focus206]

I doubt Tanak is going to help Neuville as long as he has a mathematical chance. Right now he's Neuville's closest competitor, one Sunday trouble for Neuville and they're back square.

[Mirek]

They just said Solands retired on the road section.

[AE1WRC]

I knew Elfyn was going to lose the lead to Kalle at some point today. As much as I like and respect Elfyn, he just seems cannot catch a break with Rovanpera. This reminded me of 2022 Portugal.

[Danny0405]

Top 3 in less than 20s in WRC-2
Solberg 4th 1m off Gryazin

Interesting to see what we’ll happen tomorrow… and could they be some team orders in Citroen or Toksport (less probably)?

[becher]

For Hyundai it is actually a good scenario if Tänak outscores Neuville slightly, if Neuville has a technical failure or makes a mistake in the next event, Tänak is still there and both have good lead over any Toyota driver.

[focus206]

4 stages with no service tomorrow, 2x 18 Km, 2x 8 Km.
Tanak and Evans will push to keep the title hopes alive. Ogier too, but he's first on the road. Kalle can't cruise either, 15 seconds advantage over Evans.
Neuville has to play it safe, 4th is excellent in Chile from 1st on the road, but he'll find difficult to get points tomorrow with all these drivers pushing + a fast Fourmaux.

[saco0o]

ah man, Oli had a flat tire, lost the lead. doubt he can get the win back tomorrow. its almost a minute or something like that =[

[COD]

ah man, Oli had a flat tire, lost the lead. doubt he can get the win back tomorrow. its almost a minute or something like that =[

The wrc2 tiltle will be decided in Japan if it stays like this?

[mknight]

Rossel got new time on SS11 and now leads with good margin.

With Solberg now 4th, 43s behind Greensmith I am not sure pushing like crazy is the best idea for Sunday.
For Pajari and Rossel retirement is always close on (rainy) tarmac rallies and competition is kind of closer (time wise) on tarmac as well. So holding on to the 12 points might be worth more than pushing for 15 with risks.

If Solberg finishes 4th, Rossel for example needs win in CER to beat him and Pajari needs 4th or better in Japan. If he finished 3rd Rossel would still beat him with a win and Pajari will need 3rd in Japan.
Not much of a difference. (Only 2nd for Solberg here would mean Rossel can't beat him).

If Solberg retires Pajari just needs to finish and score a single point and Rossel 4th or better.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another good day for Adrien Fourmaux and taking a win on the last stage. He's certainly still improving and considering this is his first time here he's really impressive.

[Danny0405]

I don’t have exactly the same calculation or I may misunderstand what you’re saying

If Rossel wins in both Chile (not done yet) and Central Europa, he will have 126 points (10 points out from Sardinia as 7th result).
Solberg would have the same number of points of he finishes 3rd today
And Pajari would have the same number of points if he finishes 2nd in Japan.

The 6 best results would be exactly the same (3 wins, 2 second, 1 third) but Rossel would win the title thanks to the best 7th results (5th against retirements for Solberg and Pajari).

Well, anyway, if Solberg finishes 4th in Chile, Pajari will need to finish at least 2nd in Japan to win the title if Rossel does bad in Germany: Solberg would have 123 points and Pajari would tie with a 3rd place in Japan but Solberg would win the tie (same number of wins but better number of second positions for Solberg).

Anyway, as long as Solberg does not win here, things will be in the hands of Pajari who will win the title if he wins in Japan… but, even if the entry list should be very short and weak, it could not be that simple for him on tarmac because Toksport/Skoda or Citroen could decide to bring someone in the fight in Japan to beat him depending on Central Europa results (Gryazin will only have 6 results after Central Europa for example).

[EstWRC]

Hyundai drivers will love these conditions.

lol

[CeskyOndra]

This will get worse with every passing car. Ogier will win Super Sunday

[meh]

Based on Ogier information, the next stage has really limited visibility. If it is too risky, what is the chance, it gets canceled? And as it is also the powerstage, what could happen then?

[CeskyOndra]

Will Tanak take massive risk out here? Big chance, Neuville can't risk in these conditions

[macebig]

Fog seems to intensify.

[EstWRC]

Will Tanak take massive risk out here? Big chance, Neuville can't risk in these conditions

The Hyundai doesn’t work with low grip, not a chance for Tänak

[Tauri_J]

Will Tanak take massive risk out here? Big chance, Neuville can't risk in these conditions

Makes no sense to risk here.

[Tauri_J]

Based on Ogier information, the next stage has really limited visibility. If it is too risky, what is the chance, it gets canceled? And as it is also the powerstage, what could happen then?

If its too dangerous they will cancel it.

[EstWRC]

Damn the Toyotas are so good in these conditions when there is low grip

[Mirek]

They gave Rossel 40 seconds back from yesterday when he was stuck behind Solberg.

[Mirek]

Solberg pushing as expected.

[denkimi]

It's kinda sad for evans that he has teammates who actively work against him working the title.

[macebig]

Evans has been an afterthought since Sweden. Kinda sad, considering he started the year as the designated No 1 driver for Toyota and the odds on favourite for the title...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

More Wales Rally GB conditions that I've missed... bring it on !

[becher]

Hmhm Evans is in a pretty bad situation, but he doesn't seem totally broken mentally. Can you imagine Latvala in this situation?

[meh]

Poor spectators, can not even see rally cars. Imagine now it is with electric cars, there is nothing to hear as well.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Poor spectators, can not even see rally cars. Imagine now it is with electric cars, there is nothing to hear as well.

They should have some lights on, even just DRLs would look good.

[denkimi]

Evans has been an afterthought since Sweden. Kinda sad, considering he started the year as the designated No 1 driver for Toyota and the odds on favourite for the title...

ogier already screwed him over on saturday at monte.

[rallyfiend]

Not sure Ogier has ever really understood the concept of 'team'

[becher]

Not sure Ogier has ever really understood the concept of 'team'

For sure not, he even threw shit at the people who put him all the way to the top.

[Mirek]

I hope Solberg can keep it on the road with that much risk he's taking.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A fair chance for Solberg with his ability and experience of similar conditions like on the RAC (Historic) Rally.

[Backa]

It's kinda sad for evans that he has teammates who actively work against him working the title.

He simply didn't do good enough job in first half of season to earn that privilege for second half

[Mirek]

That was really weird how the rear wing of Sesks broke apart.

Lappi with no front bumper and one wheel arch. Again. Maybe even the radiator is damaged.

[EstWRC]

I just can’t believe what has happened with Lappi since 2019, last year he at least showed speed at the beginning of the season but this year is just nowhere

[saco0o]

I don’t have exactly the same calculation or I may misunderstand what you’re saying

If Rossel wins in both Chile (not done yet) and Central Europa, he will have 126 points (10 points out from Sardinia as 7th result).
Solberg would have the same number of points of he finishes 3rd today
And Pajari would have the same number of points if he finishes 2nd in Japan.

The 6 best results would be exactly the same (3 wins, 2 second, 1 third) but Rossel would win the title thanks to the best 7th results (5th against retirements for Solberg and Pajari).

Well, anyway, if Solberg finishes 4th in Chile, Pajari will need to finish at least 2nd in Japan to win the title if Rossel does bad in Germany: Solberg would have 123 points and Pajari would tie with a 3rd place in Japan but Solberg would win the tie (same number of wins but better number of second positions for Solberg).

Anyway, as long as Solberg does not win here, things will be in the hands of Pajari who will win the title if he wins in Japan… but, even if the entry list should be very short and weak, it could not be that simple for him on tarmac because Toksport/Skoda or Citroen could decide to bring someone in the fight in Japan to beat him depending on Central Europa results (Gryazin will only have 6 results after Central Europa for example).

but cant Oli compete in CE??

[Mirek]

Fourmaux spun on the same place as Lappi hit the bank.

[macebig]

Fourmaux spun on Lappi's bodywork... Just bad luck.

[saco0o]

I hope Solberg can keep it on the road with that much risk he's taking.

he will catch gus for sure!

[archie106]

Ogier swearing in his stage end interview - hopefully the FIA won't get arsey about it...

[erikli2]

Oliver took 23,1 seconds out of Gus on the first loop, and the gap before the second loop is 20,4. Gonna be close.

[Mirek]

The differences in the second run will be smaller, at least on this one. The conditions are easier now.

[skarderud]

I just can’t believe what has happened with Lappi since 2019, last year he at least showed speed at the beginning of the season but this year is just nowhereThe Hyundai is a dog to drive, and a carriere-killer if its dont suit your drivingstyle.
Sad for the drivers that are not Neuville, Sordo and partly Tanak.



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[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Hyundai is a dog to drive, and a career-killer if its dont suit your driving style.
Sad for the drivers that are not Neuville, Sordo and partly Tanak.



I hope Fourmaux takes note and stays at M-Sport.

[stavrosGDB]

IMHO Puma suits Fourmaux and vice-versa.

[Mirek]

They just got Rossel the jump start penalty he briefly had already yesterday.

[Mirek]

Greensmith did a really good stage and it looks grim with the podium for Solberg now.

[mknight]

Fourmaux spun on Lappi's bodywork... Just bad luck.

Nope he spun in the same rut but before the parts in the road.

[saco0o]

ah man, i thought oli would be P3 already for the PS.
he can get P2 if he keeps doing what he did today

[Mirek]

ah man, i thought oli would be P3 already for the PS.
he can get P2 if he keeps doing what he did today

Normally there is no chance. The last stage is very short.

[erikli2]

Lappi has retired due to mechanical issues.

[Mirek]

Lappi has retired due to mechanical issues.

Broken radiator from his accident most likely.

[mknight]

but cant Oli compete in CE??
No it's maximum 7 point scoring entries and Chile is his 7th.
He is actually entered in CER but outside of points.

Anyway Danny had correct point calculations (I switched Pajari and Solberg points), so it does make some sense to try to push. But if he crashes it's basically over.

[saco0o]

Normally there is no chance. The last stage is very short.

ohh, ture. he took less than 10 secs on the first passage

[mknight]

Lappi has retired due to mechanical issues.

I will be surprised if we see him in Hyundai again tbh.

It was reported that after the crash-disaster end of last year it was only Abitebouls support that kept him in the team against Hyundai leadership wishes.

This year the only good rally was Sweden with snowstorm-induced win. In the 3 fast gravel rallies he either didn't have pace (Latvia) or crashed again (Finland) or both (Chile).
Here while the first puncture was likely bad luck he soft-crashed twice (Saturday and Sunday).

Apart from the drivers they already have or Fourmaux, even Sesks looks like a better idea as a part time driver for fast gravel.

[TypeR]

It won't happen, but if the result stay as they are, then I would send Latvala home.. after his whining after Greece that everything is over with manus title and no way to catch Hyundai anymore..

At the moment Toyota is closing the gap almost by half..


E: seems like I was late haha :D

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAf85O9Rs-T/?igsh=dDBsYzRqdTJ4bjFt

[saco0o]

It won't happen, but if the result stay as they are, then I would send Latvala home.. after his whining after Greece that everything is over with manus title and no way to catch Hyundai anymore..

At the moment Toyota is closing the gap almost by half..

haha i will never understand why latvala said that in Hellas. Three rounds to go, only 35 points behind

[saco0o]

"esapekka crashi" (read on facebook) haha dont want to laugh, i cheer for him

[Eli]

Just now heard it's the last event for Janne Fern, sad to see him end his career with a DNF :(

[EstWRC]

Horrible driving from Gyrazin

[saco0o]

ahh crap. sad for oli

[saco0o]

well the dg sport (""citroen"" rally2 team) got the wrc2 team title

[Mirek]

Horrible driving from Gyrazin

That felt like he tried to crash every second corner but somehow managed not to do that.

Anyway it's amazing how Citroën and especially Rossel managed to improve on gravel.

[Danny0405]

1-2 Secured for Rossel-Gryazin and team title for DG Sport in WRC-2
Greensmith 3rd, could have been 2nd but had a Big moment… Solberg only 4th in spite of his speed the last day … to be seen if Toksport tries to convince Greensmith to swap with Solberg now that the British has failed for 2nd position… could help Solberg in some configuration even if I think it won’t happen.

[mknight]

Just now heard it's the last event for Janne Fern, sad to see him end his career with a DNF :(

Ending with the timing error on Saturday is sad.

[deephouse]

I just calculated the odds. Since Solberg is done with driving for points he got maximum here. And Pajari will drive Rally1 car in CER so probably will go in Japan for the title. But somehow if Rossel will win it in CER, he will be the one who will clinch the title.

[Rallyper]

Fantastic job from Pajari!!

[ipe]

Well done Rovanperä and Pajari. Next season will be great for finns.

[Rallyper]

Chile should always be i the calendar. Congrats to Kalle and Jonne!

[saco0o]

is Thierry champ already? Its only Ott now that can beat him if he wins everything and Thierry crashes in next both rounds?

[firstromario]

Horrible driving from Gyrazin

Registered just to reply to this but my post disappeared somehow.

It's insane that they are letting russian compete. If he was great I could at least see why. But just for the sake of it? I'm originally from Ukraine and hearing moscow russian is a huge trigger. You literally hear it in a background when people are executed... :(

Also feel really bad for Solberg

[deephouse]

Quite surprisingly there are 7 Rally1 cars in the top overall positions in an overseas rally.

[firstromario]

is Thierry champ already? Its only Ott now that can beat him if he wins everything and Thierry crashes in next both rounds?

One rally is 30 points. Anyone within 60 points still has a chance if he crashes out in both.

[TypeR]

World Champion hats and shirts stay in boxes at least till the end of CER..
Tanak - Neuville gap now 29p

[focus206]

is Thierry champ already? Its only Ott now that can beat him if he wins everything and Thierry crashes in next both rounds?

You're a bit off with the calculation :D
I don't know how the standings are after this round, but Tanak, Ogier and Evans can still win the title. Thierry should have around 30 points of advantage over Tanak right now, so 1 Neuville DNF + 1 victory for Tanak and they're basically level.

[deephouse]

Registered just to reply to this but my post disappeared somehow.

It's insane that they are letting russian compete. If he was great I could at least see why. But just for the sake of it? I'm originally from Ukraine and hearing moscow russian is a huge trigger. You literally hear it in a background when people are executed... :(

Also feel really bad for Solberg

He is a professional sportsman and has nothing to do with the political situation. If we based those things on nationality, then Americans should never compete anywhere, since they mix the shit everywhere... It's the politics you should be mad at, not individuals. Sport is more like family than hating each other.

[ik1911]

is Thierry champ already? Its only Ott now that can beat him if he wins everything and Thierry crashes in next both rounds?

Four rounds!

[becher]

Just now heard it's the last event for Janne Fern, sad to see him end his career with a DNF :(

Ohh, always thought he is a great character. I guess this is the final proof that Lappi won't be earning money by driving a rally car next season.

[macebig]

Heikki Kovalainen announced on his Facebook page that he will do RallyLegend in a C3 WRC with Ferm as co driver, so Chile is probably not Janne's final event.

[deephouse]

I see Lappi probably will not just quit driving. He will probably go the national route or ERC, like Paddon/Ostberg. I think he could convince some sponsors for a full season. And both are saying it's more relaxed than WRC. And Lappi says it's quite demanding being also a father. So why not.

[becher]

Heikki Kovalainen announced on his Facebook page that he will do RallyLegend in a C3 WRC with Ferm as co driver, so Chile is probably not Janne's final event.

I guess retirement is meant in a professional way, doing the odd rally for fun is normal.

[satnav]

Brill piece on Rally TV after the power stage with EP and Janne, very good

[flykas]

Registered just to reply to this but my post disappeared somehow.

It's insane that they are letting russian compete. If he was great I could at least see why. But just for the sake of it? I'm originally from Ukraine and hearing moscow russian is a huge trigger. You literally hear it in a background when people are executed... :(

Also feel really bad for Solberg

Totally agree, but some people think that sport world is some kind of magical world where people don’t have to be responsible for crimes of their country and since they don’t have to be responsible and enjoy their career, they will leave their government do whatever it wants.

[dimviii]

guys here we dont care about politics.
You have to find another forum for these talks.

[firstromario]

He is a professional sportsman and has nothing to do with the political situation. If we based those things on nationality, then Americans should never compete anywhere, since they mix the shit everywhere... It's the politics you should be mad at, not individuals. Sport is more like family than hating each other.

First of all I highly disagree with you that sports are not "politics." We literally have country flags next to names. And.. olympics...

But more directly you have to choose. Accommodate Ukrainians or russians. If you are accommodating russians you will make life more difficult for Ukrainians (in anything - sport, TV, travel). That seems unfair.

And last point is around people vs. politicians. russians support the war and that's why politicians act the way the do. Sure there's corruption and propaganda but if you met more than 5 russians in your life you will know what they support. Just ask gryazin. Or this sportswoman: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/aFK9NpibjZ

WRC is a great international competition and this weekend showed it. But it's ignorant to think it exists in a vacuum from politics.

[firstromario]

guys here we dont care about politics.
You have to find another forum for these talks.

Sport is politics. It's ignorant to think it isn't. Sure getting into causes of the war is too much. But WRC doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's fair to discuss motor racing and implication on politics. Or other way around

[dimviii]

Sport is politics. It's ignorant to think it isn't. Sure getting into causes of the war is too much. But WRC doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's fair to discuss motor racing and implication on politics. Or other way around

we dont care.Please stop.

[firstromario]

we dont care.Please stop.

Who are "we"? Are you talking for everyone? It looks like a good community (reason I registered and replied). I doubt everyone literally only cares about WRC and nothing else on the planet. WRC doesn't exist in a vacuum.

[dimviii]

Who are "we"? Are you talking for everyone? It looks like a good community (reason I registered and replied). I doubt everyone literally only cares about WRC and nothing else on the planet. WRC doesn't exist in a vacuum.

is it so difficult to undestand that this is a forum for RALLIES?
We dont care about politics here,thats why you will not find ANY politic conversation at this forum.
It wasnt a good idea to register here because you dont like Gryazin.
We dont care if you like Gryazin.
Here we discuss about rally Chile.

[becher]

I agree with dimviii but also agree with the new guy to an extent. Everything is political. But what I do not understand is to think that everyone who was born in russia should be excluded from the world. Yes the russian dictatorship and the actions off it are a f**** shit show but by no means every russian person is a mindless c****. In the same way that not everyone in germany or austria was a offender in the late 30ies and early 40ies (plenty of people in both countries gave their live in their own fight against the most horrible dictatorship that ever existed) not everyone in russia is an offender and it is insulting to the people of russia that take the fight to putin to think the best solution is to erase russia and it's people from the world and act like that country doesn't exist.

[denkimi]

Please fuck off with your politics and stupid ukrainian propaganda. We just want fast drivers, this has nothing to do with ukraine of russia.

[Rallyper]

And these guys just showed up with almost no replies, trying to state they represent all on this forum.

[denkimi]

Anyone has the new standings after chile?

[deephouse]

Man, this guy just showed up to shit here. I propose if he will not stop he should be blocked by moderators. Or if he is smart enough that he goes himself or just comment rallying stuff. Although he could still be here, just not mention that topic. He should complain about FIA politics, as we do all, since they are obviously at war with rallying community.

[TypeR]

Please fuck off with your politics and stupid ukrainian propaganda. We just want fast drivers, this has nothing to do with ukraine of russia.
Seems like it hurt quite much..

[Dontcut]

Kalle has won or crashed from leading position in every rally he entered.

Overall, Neuville has 29p lead. I can see Thierry getting a zero rally from upcoming events but Tänak hitting 30p on a tarmac rally is impossible. So cup is pretty much safe for Neuville.
Again, if only Tänak had gotten 12 more points from Poland saturday and at least 18p from Finland...

[satnav]

Anyone has the new standings after chile?

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[focus206]

Neuville has 29 points over Tanak, 41 points over Ogier and 46 points over Evans.
In CER, Neuville could win the title if he outscores Tanak by 2 points and at the same time Ogier doesn't gain more than 10 points over Neuville. Which means that Neuville would still have to push to achieve that, so nothing is over yet. Mistakes or technical troubles can change everything.

[mknight]

Kalle has won or crashed from leading position in every rally he entered.

Overall, Neuville has 29p lead. I can see Thierry getting a zero rally from upcoming events but Tänak hitting 30p on a tarmac rally is impossible. So cup is pretty much safe for Neuville.
Again, if only Tänak had gotten 12 more points from Poland saturday and at least 18p from Finland...

I really wonder if we will see a change of tactics from Neuville. After all pushing too much when not necessary has cost him at least the 2017 title.

If he drives at little less than full push only Ogier and Evans should be faster than him on CER. Ending 3rd would still basically secure the championship.

For manu champs I think Toyota is the favorite at the moment. Both Tanak and Mikkelsen are 2-3 places slower in the Hyundai than what you would expect of them on tarmac. In practice it means Tanak is clearly behind both Ogier and Evans and Mikkelsen behind Fourmaux and Katsuta ( if Katsuta says on the road).
The point advantage is likely not enough if Toyotas don't run into issues.

[erikli2]

Solberg to appeal Rossel’s Chile notional time:

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solberg-to-appeal-rossels-chile-notional-time/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2qcfOcIYchq2CyhSSQL1GJ i2EySqyko2yfBHi_-Td9EfSX6Zo7kr0dW0g_aem_A8FO_E4BmccvINlCaPNSXg

[mknight]

Solberg to appeal Rossel’s Chile notional time:

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solberg-to-appeal-rossels-chile-notional-time/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2qcfOcIYchq2CyhSSQL1GJ i2EySqyko2yfBHi_-Td9EfSX6Zo7kr0dW0g_aem_A8FO_E4BmccvINlCaPNSXg

Don't the WRC2 crews have same system as Rally1? (pushing a button alerts the car ahead?).

I watched the onboard and Solberg basically drives out right in front of Rossel (who had very good splits, until that point). There is not much dust, but knowing there is a car potentially just 20 meters ahead that you can't see (in the fog). Certainly would make anyone slow down as it is crazy dangerous.

Yes, you can argue that's the situation otherwise too but that's not the same. Now you know a car is there and the car had an issue, was it puncture, driver error or some technical glitch which can come at any moment, you have no idea. In case a driver crashes with normal spacing racecontroll can redflag electronically before next car comes. But here with few secs between that would be impossible.
All in all I see the situation as poorly handled by both Solberg (they likely looked on the clock when starting the change?) and race control (could have notified crews?).
Race control tries to fix this by notional time.

[macebig]

There is zero sense in Neuville pushing in CER or Japan. He can definitely cruise to a Top 5 finish (i.e. behind Ogier/Evans/Fourmaux/Tanak) and get 10+ points from each. 20 points total from CER and Japan are enough to secure him the championship.

[saco0o]

hmmm yeah i was way off on my calculations. woooppss. interesting! go Ott!

[focus206]

There is zero sense in Neuville pushing in CER or Japan. He can definitely cruise to a Top 5 finish (i.e. behind Ogier/Evans/Fourmaux/Tanak) and get 10+ points from each. 20 points total from CER and Japan are enough to secure him the championship.

Push for the win, no. But also cruising and bleeding a lot of point is risky... if he gets his advance sliced in half and then he retires in Japan for technical trouble? Championship might be gone. In CER he has to try for the podium in my opinion, drive at a balanced pace... you know that Ogier, Evans and Tanak will be pushing because they have no choice.

[erikli2]

Solberg to appeal Rossel’s Chile notional time:

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solberg-to-appeal-rossels-chile-notional-time/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2qcfOcIYchq2CyhSSQL1GJ i2EySqyko2yfBHi_-Td9EfSX6Zo7kr0dW0g_aem_A8FO_E4BmccvINlCaPNSXg

Update: Rally Chile stewards have rejected Oliver Solberg’s protest into the notional time that helped Yohan Rossel to WRC2 victory


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solbergs-rossel-protest-rejected/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2DzkHomo-f_GRtE9L9IXR2KdkIBp0Jtkp1j-G_hULHD-CP4Z7Bi3wBHD8_aem_ZyLqRIv-UU7EVO9nMzLIUw

[EstWRC]

Thierry just needs 2 points more than Tänak in CER. That should be pretty easy considering Tänaks form on tarmac with the Hyundai.

Btw, Kalle won only 2 stages during the rally.

[flat_right]

Yeah, I think Thierry on tarmac is like Tänak on graver, you expect him to be better. Also he is first on the road. So I see no chance that the title shouldn't be Thierry's and congrats to him! Managed this "gravel season" really well.

[denkimi]

Yeah, I think Thierry on tarmac is like Tänak on graver, you expect him to be better. Also he is first on the road. So I see no chance that the title shouldn't be Thierry's and congrats to him! Managed this "gravel season" really well.

remember 2020. Evans had 14 point lead with only monza left to go but still lost the title by crashing out.

[mknight]

Neuville has a long list of seemingly unnecessary (not under pressure) tarmac crashes.
Japan last year, Ypres and Croatia the year before++

Which is why I wonder if he tries to go a little bit safer.

[TypeR]

He has had quite many of these ,,pointless'' crashes, but this year it seems to going his way and 29p lead is huge. He has managed it thru the whole season..

[focus206]

In CER, Neuville will probably drive conservative again, while Tanak will push, so I wouldn't be so sure that it will be easy for Neuville to outscore Tanak. He can't just cruise if he wants to stay in front of Tanak.
If Neuville really cruises in CER and loses quite some points, Ogier will be back in it and it will be very risky for Japan. If Neuville has a DNF for whatever reason, who can stop Ogier from bagging 30 points?

[deephouse]

In CER, Neuville will probably drive conservative again, while Tanak will push, so I wouldn't be so sure that it will be easy for Neuville to outscore Tanak. He can't just cruise if he wants to stay in front of Tanak.
If Neuville really cruises in CER and loses quite some points, Ogier will be back in it and it will be very risky for Japan. If Neuville has a DNF for whatever reason, who can stop Ogier from bagging 30 points?

You all forgot how many times Tanak crashed, had technical issues, have something that ruined his chances. So he has the same chance to fail like Neuville. I'm just surprised that Ogier have so much mistakes, bad luck moments and flat tires this year. Like he never get all those in a whole career as this year altogether.

[PLuto]

Who can stop Ogier from bagging 30 points?

Ogier himself :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm just surprised that Ogier have so much mistakes, bad luck moments and flat tires this year. Like he never get all those in a whole career as this year altogether.

Ogier cant have quite the same concentration and determination he had when he was full-time and chasing all those Titles. Plus he had Michelins ! ;)

[focus206]

You all forgot how many times Tanak crashed, had technical issues, have something that ruined his chances. So he has the same chance to fail like Neuville. I'm just surprised that Ogier have so much mistakes, bad luck moments and flat tires this year. Like he never get all those in a whole career as this year altogether.

Yes, that's the key. If Tanak will make mistakes by pushing on asphalt, Neuville can outscore him. But if Tanak manages to keep it on the road while pushing, it will be hard for Neuville to beat him, unless he pushes too.
Ogier can also be considered lucky for not damaging the car too much or not getting it stuck somewhere after the roll in Acropolis, he got away with 13 points. Likewise, Sunday weather in Chile was favourable to him, no way he would have got 12 points if it was dry. It's thanks to those that he can still get the title, if Neuville has a Sunday problem.

[mknight]

Yes, that's the key. If Tanak will make mistakes by pushing on asphalt, Neuville can outscore him. But if Tanak manages to keep it on the road while pushing, it will be hard for Neuville to beat him, unless he pushes too.


Dunno where you get this from. In last few tarmac outings Tanak has been clearly slower than Neuville. So imo Neuville does not really need to push.

[focus206]

Dunno where you get this from. In last few tarmac outings Tanak has been clearly slower than Neuville. So imo Neuville does not really need to push.

Because I'm giving for granted that Tanak will push and Neuville will drive defensively. What I'm saying is, Neuville can't cruise either, if he wants to outscore Tanak. He needs to find a good balance.

[denkimi]

Because I'm giving for granted that Tanak will push and Neuville will drive defensively. What I'm saying is, Neuville can't cruise either, if he wants to outscore Tanak. He needs to find a good balance.
But he only needs to outscore Tanak if he wants the title secure before japan. Even if he loses a few points in CER, he can still cruise in japan. He will be 6th anyway worst case.

[focus206]

But he only needs to outscore Tanak if he wants the title secure before japan. Even if he loses a few points in CER, he can still cruise in japan. He will be 6th anyway worst case.

Yes, but on the other hand cruising in CER is risky in case in Japan Neuville retires for a technical trouble. Bleeding points in CER and then retiring in Japan could easily hand to title to Ogier as well (if Ogier makes no mistakes, hardly anyone will stop him from getting close to 60 points in these last 2 rounds).

[metko74]

Rally Chile Bío Bío 2024 as we saw it... https://youtu.be/bv7hvwa9I88?si=bGegWYBbS2GbHdSa

[Andre Oliveira]

https://app-cdn.sportity.com/137e6457-1fc6-4a53-956a-b40a6603d4bf/d15c9e45-22d4-4cab-95b6-fbb14b75e47a_Stewards%20Decision%209.pdf

The FIA’s petition for the Stewards to re-examine the time allocated for Car No 21 on SS11 (Lota 2) is dismissed.