[WRC] Rallye Automobile Monte-Carlo 2025

[Dimitris]

The itinerary for the event is out!

https://acm.mc/exigeant-a-plus-dun-titre/

[Eli]

343kms of Special Stages, I think it’s the longest we’ve had since they applied the stupid rule of up-to 350kms of SS back in 2019; 3(!) nights stages, fingers crossed they’ll all run. Col de Turini will again serving as the power stage, hopefully they won’t finish like this year

[Dimitris]

Col De Turini will turn right at the Col, and will finish at Peira Cava, like 2017 for example.

I made a map predicting how the stages will look, obviously some inaccuracies to be expected.

https://www.mapfab.com/map/AgBp/Rallye-Automobile-Monte-Carlo-2025-Prediction-Map

[drive]

Service in Gap or Montecarlo?

[Dimitris]

Gap, but Ceremonial Start + Finish in Monte Carlo afaik

[jcevc]

Finally km`s of SS rising up...I hope it is not an isolated case :)

[Eli]

Finally km`s of SS rising up...I hope it is not an isolated case :)

I hope it’s not to have a sprint rally in Sweden after.

[AndyRAC]

Still no full Turini stage.......though we saw it on Saturday on Stage 20 of the Tour de France.....

[Mirek]

Still no full Turini stage.......though we saw it on Saturday on Stage 20 of the Tour de France.....

To be honest I would change the classic Turini route (La Bolléne-Vésubie to Sospel) for the IRC (2009 I think) variant any day. That one was same like 2025 but much longer, passing Peira Cava, than turning left through the epic descent to Pas de'l Escous and after that over the Col de'l Orme and Col d'Ablé.

[Dimitris]

Yeah that was essentially a combination of Col De Turini and Col de Braus

[Dimitris]

Rally Guide 1 is out, https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/RAMC-2025-RALLY-GUIDE-1-GB.pdf

SS2 had to be replaced because of local people complaining

[Lect3R]

I've made maps for monte carlo that show all watching positions available through internet and how it looks like from that spot with a car passing by with youtube/instagram links. Positions and stages are precisely drawn and marked. Also I made colorized icons describing speed of a car passing by on each spot (bright green 0-30kmh, dark green 30-80, yellow 80-110, bright orange 110-150 dark orange 150-180 and red 180+). Every corner is described briefly of what you can see from it. On each mapped position you will get 3 photos of a car entering, going through and exiting that corner as a preview from a video. Maps are suited for both newcomers and experienced users so you'd know what to expect from a position rather than going blindly and being dissapointed with your watching position.

Stages covered: Shakedown, SS1 SS 2 SS3, SS5, SS6, SS8, SS9, SS16, SS17, SS18
Watching positions covered: 252 + 60 on shakedown

Shakedown map link is here for FREE: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1L1JJxC9J3sUDgbrk6ORYAllDFLuJx5o&usp=sharing

And all other maps together I am giving for a small FEE of 30€ due to this taking way too much time and effort. Paying only through paypal.
You will get them as soon as I saw payment being made and it can be used only on one email of your choice that you will tell me in payment description box or in dm's and maps will be shared on that email. Email preferably has to be gmail, but not necessarily due to google having issues with sharing on some other emails that are not gmail ones.
Contact: Preferably reddit /u/Lect3R, discord: Lect3R or alternatevly here in dm's but in past I had issues here with dm's not openning.

[Andre Oliveira]

GRC | Dimitris Drivakos * Ekaterini Bante in Hyundai i20 R5

[saco0o]

with hybrids confirmed to be dropped, should we expect extra entries in rally1 already in MC?
i'd guess 'not yet' but i hope im wrong by at least 2 extra cars lol

[deephouse]

with hybrids confirmed to be dropped, should we expect extra entries in rally1 already in MC?
i'd guess 'not yet' but i hope im wrong by at least 2 extra cars lol

I think if the interests is being there, many cars could be build sooner than later, but FIA is again procrastinate with decision of dropping that tech. I think it could be good, since the cars will still be spectacular, fast and clearly could many challenge for some good outing at least for top ten, if we look at local contestants (I exclude Serderidis and Bertelli, because they are slow as hell).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

with hybrids confirmed to be dropped, should we expect extra entries in rally1 already in MC?
i'd guess 'not yet' but i hope im wrong by at least 2 extra cars lol

The option to run non-hybrid versions of the Rally1 (Puma) has been available for a while so I dont see any sudden increase in cars once hybrid is officially dropped.

[deephouse]

The option to run non-hybrid versions of the Rally1 (Puma) has been available for a while so I dont see any sudden increase in cars once hybrid is officially dropped.

Maybe it's this due to uncertainity... If we look closely on team perspective, I don't think they have that much cars built already, since there is challenges running it in big numbers on rallies, logistical side, infrastructure, unknown costs (which just now appeared to be way higher than expected). Then teams didn't build many cars to have them in stock. This year indeed they change those rules but still, with lack of interest they didn't built them. But dropping hybrid unit for good also means, that also ''locals'' or whoever wants have equal chances to challenge for top ten, podiums, or good appereances. I explicit take out of this Serderidis and Bertelli again, because those two would drive slow even if they only had hybrid powered cars. This year is clearly a proof that Rally1- and Rally2+ concept wouldn't work.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe it's this due to uncertainity... If we look closely on team perspective, I don't think they have that much cars built already, since there is challenges running it in big numbers on rallies, logistical side, infrastructure, unknown costs (which just now appeared to be way higher than expected). Then teams didn't build many cars to have them in stock. This year indeed they change those rules but still, with lack of interest they didn't built them. But dropping hybrid unit for good also means, that also ''locals'' or whoever wants have equal chances to challenge for top ten, podiums, or good appereances. I explicit take out of this Serderidis and Bertelli again, because those two would drive slow even if they only had hybrid powered cars. This year is clearly a proof that Rally1- and Rally2+ concept wouldn't work.

Toyota and Hyundai had no interest in Rally1 sales or making non-hybrid versions.

But M-Sport did and had several cars available for sale or rent (hybrid or non-hybrid). Rich Millener also said it wasnt a problem to convert the cars or for them to run both versions together.

[deephouse]

Toyota and Hyundai had no interest in Rally1 sales or making non-hybrid versions.

But M-Sport did and had several cars available for sale or rent (hybrid or non-hybrid). Rich Millener also said it wasnt a problem to convert the cars or for them to run both versions together.

Then we can assume it's covid crisis which started declining that private entries, expensive aero packages, I think also (when everything goes up) that entry fees, running costs increased, then that hybrid thing even worsen the whole thing. I mean cars become faster, but running without it against all others I think no one wants that. It does not have any value, just being slower. Then Toyota and Hyundai also with their showing muscles didn't do any favor to the sport, because their non-interest for giving out the possibility to rent their cars. I think that maybe in future it could be achieve that again.

But if we do achieve having at least 20 Rally1 cars on the grid, they will need to change the whole concept of AllLive, because even now when there is 8 cars there and then showing 5 second class cars usually takes 1.5 hour of watching in front of screens. And all we got is the same sections and too much animations, talking and way too much snails.

[saco0o]

first thing i'd do after deciding to ditch the HY would be to just beg TGR/HWRT to rent their cars if theres demand. we know they have more than 10 cars in their shops. its still expensive, but its not a million bucks anymore, right? jeez cant promoter/fia/teams get to a point where they realize everybody would win if they rent those +10 cars to people for cheap prices? why to just keep them shut in the shop? just rent them for r5 prices, whatever. (haha me, a bad bussiness man!... tho is not like TOYOTA and HYUNDAI are in need of money, eh)

[deephouse]

first thing i'd do after deciding to ditch the HY would be to just beg TGR/HWRT to rent their cars if theres demand. we know they have more than 10 cars in their shops. its still expensive, but its not a million bucks anymore, right? jeez cant promoter/fia/teams get to a point where they realize everybody would win if they rent those +10 cars to people for cheap prices? why to just keep them shut in the shop? just rent them for r5 prices, whatever. (haha me, a bad bussiness man!... tho is not like TOYOTA and HYUNDAI are in need of money, eh)

I think it's more than if someone right comes in those cars, that they would be better than official drivers, and then it would be bad image to manufacturs.

If we assume with hybrid unit that the car costs 1million and without (unit is 150.000€), then thatnumber don't change much. Even M-Sport admitted that building car for that amount isn't a problem at all. It's running cost that it's worrying. And now with that number significantly increasing the only solution is to drop it.

We already are almost sure Hyundai will leave soon. But losing also M-Sport over this would be the last nail in the coffin (they are the sport, their herritage, they are here forever and was when everyone leaved).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loriaux doesn't see any problem with the late switch to non-hybrid or the need for extra testing...

“I don’t think we need to test more without hybrid,” he said. “If anything, in some ways it’s easier without hybrid. For sure, the car is less complicated and the settings are easier, so I wouldn’t say we need more test days if we take out the hybrid."

[TypeR]

Noticed from regulations that tyre sizes are different from last year(at least for rally MC).

Overall they are all narrower and from model name, RC1 and 2 use same tyres.. hopefully RC1's are stronger..

In 2024 slicks and snows for rc1/rc2 were same dimensions, but 2025 snow ones are narrower..

2024:
slicks
RC1/RC2 - 235/45R18
RC3 - 205/45R17

2025:
slicks
RC1/RC2 - 225/40R18
RC3 - 195/50R17

both snow ones narrower.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdAbM0EWgAAbeIT?format=jpg&name=small

[ictus]

Noticed from regulations that tyre sizes are different from last year(at least for rally MC).

Overall they are all narrower and from model name, RC1 and 2 use same tyres.. hopefully RC1's are stronger..



I bet if you put them next to each other they'll be the same size, or marginally different.
It's just different mesurements from different tire manufactures

[Mary Mary]

Noticed from regulations that tyre sizes are different from last year(at least for rally MC).

Overall they are all narrower and from model name, RC1 and 2 use same tyres.. hopefully RC1's are stronger..

In 2024 slicks and snows for rc1/rc2 were same dimensions, but 2025 snow ones are narrower..

2024:
slicks
RC1/RC2 - 235/45R18
RC3 - 205/45R17

2025:
slicks
RC1/RC2 - 225/40R18
RC3 - 195/50R17

both snow ones narrower.

I've not looked at the documents but is there confusion with snow and ice? To me, a 'snow tyre' belongs at Rally Sweden in 'gravel' spec.

[satnav]

I've not looked at the documents but is there confusion with snow and ice? To me, a 'snow tyre' belongs at Rally Sweden in 'gravel' spec.

In Monte what they call a snow tyre is what we call a winter tyre for normal road use.

[satnav]

Tyres used in Monte , the snow tyre is on the left to be used with or without studs

[Panosaurio]

Hi there, next January will be my first time at monte and since I'm from Costa Rica I don't really know much about how things are done there and I'd like to ask some questions. I'd like to see a night stage with flares and all that fan show, do you all know if there will be a stage of those kinds, maybe ss1 or ss2? And also we are renting a car, I suppose there is park zones around? Btw, are snow tires enough for the weather or is it better to use chains?

[becher]

Hi there, next January will be my first time at monte and since I'm from Costa Rica I don't really know much about how things are done there and I'd like to ask some questions. I'd like to see a night stage with flares and all that fan show, do you all know if there will be a stage of those kinds, maybe ss1 or ss2? And also we are renting a car, I suppose there is park zones around? Btw, are snow tires enough for the weather or is it better to use chains?

From what I've heard Monte is very difficult. People say you have to get to the stages very early and wait there a long time as there are little access roads available and stage hopping is therefore difficult as well. Snow tires should enough, but it really depends on the weather and were you plan to spectate (altitude).

[stavrosGDB]

Actually the Hankooks are a bit wider

[Andre Oliveira]

Jan Černý in Citroën C3 Rally2.

[4Regioni]

Somaschini-Arena, Citroen C3 Rally 2

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/470732656_1110178013898396_3397183933901430885_n.j pg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640_tt6&_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=ipOWUKQxvrwQ7kNvgEaEkbq&_nc_oc=Adj1TmBM_-Ss0bFqz5uJhFTQ5sPVrTNrMirkXoO0YUmu63uoz4kehRO5c31m _L3LoWr12u3ufv9YXKCw7Chuq81-&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo4-2.fna&_nc_gid=Azz_4xRj2E1BhhN6sjX0pqh&oh=00_AYB4YI6nAi1xO--r2GsYbv2V3sQsqwTFaqmNGnIgvOA-Ug&oe=676B6A44

[satnav]

Maps and other items are on the website today but behind a password .....

https://acm.mc/en/edition/93rd-rallye-automobile-monte%e2%80%91carlo/competitors-area/official-documents/maps/

There are maps on the spectators section,

https://acm.mc/en/edition/93rd-rallye-automobile-monte%e2%80%91carlo/spectators-area/maps/

[satnav]

Having a quick look through the stages there seems to be fewer restricted areas than previous years.

[GlennM]

Tempting to go to MC for the first time.
About "Les Tourniquets de Bayons" on SS2, what would be the best way to go to this point? Walking from the North or the South? I already know we need to be a few hours in advance to pick a spot on this iconic piece of road.

[satnav]

Tempting to go to MC for the first time.
About "Les Tourniquets de Bayons" on SS2, what would be the best way to go to this point? Walking from the North or the South? I already know we need to be a few hours in advance to pick a spot on this iconic piece of road.

The Tourniquetes hairpins part of that road aren't being used this year.

[Panosaurio]

And something similar like this year at other stage?

[GlennM]

The Tourniquetes hairpins part of that road aren't being used this year.

Oh such a shame :(
If anyone knows a similar place let me know.

Just found the maps made by Planetemarcus
https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2025/

[Simo97]

Hello, I would like to go and see the test (Avancon-Notre Dame de Laus) do you know if there is parking at the beginning or end of the test? Thanks:rolleyes:

[Dimitris]

Monte-Carlo Route Preview with descriptions for all the stages


https://www.powerslideblog.com/wrc-route-previews/rally-monte-carlo-2025-route-preview

[satnav]

Is anyone has the password for the official site i'd appreciate a pm, thanks.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgYJWfbXoAAlevC?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgYJWfbXkAEf5jA?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgYJWfbXkAAmSO0?format=jpg&name=large

[Krigen]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgYJWfbXoAAlevC?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgYJWfbXkAEf5jA?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgYJWfbXkAAmSO0?format=jpg&name=large


No surprises :(

[TypeR]

Very poor wrc2 (top) entry list..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Very poor wrc2 (top) entry list..

Plus Solberg and Greensmith arent scoring WRC2 points.

[Morte66]

Pajari driving for manu points and not Katsuta? He went around Monte in a very sedate fashion last year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pajari driving for manu points and not Katsuta? He went around Monte in a very sedate fashion last year.

Pajari is regd for points for TGR Team 2.

Katsuta isnt regd to score points with TGR Team 2 as that would rule him out for scoring for the main team in future rounds.

[Morte66]

Ah hah, that makes sense now. Thanks.

[Jarek Z]

Very poor wrc2 (top) entry list..

Are Gryazin, Rossel, Camilli and Rossel poor drivers?

[TypeR]

Are Gryazin, Rossel, Camilli and Rossel poor drivers?
Read again. I didn't tell that theybare poorndrivers, but the list is very short and from top drivers there are only Solberg, Gryaz and Rossel (I don't count Gus in there anymore).

E: didn't notice that Solberg once again didn't choose this rally for points.. what a waste.

[deephouse]

It's because it's so unpredictable, hard to achieve good result.

What I notice is Hyundai will probably NOT run 4th car. Not a surprise.

[rp]

What I notice is Hyundai will probably NOT run 4th car. Not a surprise.

There was never a plan to run 4th car in Monte. Hopefully it will be still possible.

[Jarek Z]

François Delecour's son Eliott to make his WRC debut on Monte Carlo Rally:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=996524705837115&set=a.623696733119916

[Krigen]

There was never a plan to run 4th car in Monte. Hopefully it will be still possible.

Come on Hyundai, MIkkelsen in sweden..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There was never a plan to run 4th car in Monte. Hopefully it will be still possible.

Hyundai may need to now that Toyota have the tactical advantage of TGR Team2 with Pajari:

https://rallyjournal.com/toyotas-tactical-move-in-the-wrc-sami-pajari-becomes-a-strategic-piece/

[rp]

Hyundai may need to now that Toyota have the tactical advantage of TGR Team2 with Pajari:



If they are still seriously aiming the Manufacturer´s title they must now use also 4th car just like Toyota.

[Andre Oliveira]

Delecour in Opel Corsa Rally4 instead Škoda Fabia Rally2 evo.

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/e-delecour-un-week-end-tres-interessant/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If they are still seriously aiming the Manufacturer´s title they must now use also 4th car just like Toyota.

Lappi says he's still talking to them so is in line for any 4th car.

[Backa]

from top drivers there are only Solberg, Gryaz and Rossel (I don't count Gus in there anymore).

How big is your "top WRC2 drivers" list if Gus is not good enough to make it? Who is missing in Monte from it?

[Tauri_J]

2 weeks to go but in the big picture looks like another dry and warm Monte coming

[Andre Oliveira]

Delecour in Opel Corsa Rally4 instead Škoda Fabia Rally2 evo.

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/e-delecour-un-week-end-tres-interessant/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhK7WZ0XUAA-gbl?format=jpg&name=large

[bluuford]

2 weeks to go but in the big picture looks like another dry and warm Monte coming
Long term forecast pattern tells me that it will be veeery different to last year. Lets see, I try to sleep properly before the event, because there might be no time during the event :P But yeah, with this rally, you cannot say too many details about the weather even 5 days before ;)

[CeskyOndra]

Do we know what is the highest elevation point of the rally?

[Tauri_J]

Do we know what is the highest elevation point of the rally?

Should be Col de Turini

[PLuto]

Should be Col de Turini

It is on Turini stage, but surprisingly not exaxtly famous top at 1604 m. but later on the way from Turini to Peïra Cava, below Cime de la Calmette, there is 1625 m.

[CeskyOndra]

It is on Turini stage, but surprisingly not exaxtly famous top at 1604 m. but later on the way from Turini to Peïra Cava, below Cime de la Calmette, there is 1625 m.

Okey thanks. Looks like another dry monte this year..

[CeskyOndra]

Quite a bit of snow/rain in forecast at the moment, looks quite promissing!

[Tauri_J]

Quite a bit of snow/rain in forecast at the moment, looks quite promissing!

Yeah now it looks very messy. Hopefully it stays like this but lots of time to go still

[CeskyOndra]

Long time to go, but still, looks very promissing! The only shame is that temperatures are going to be a bit higher than we need in lower elevation.

https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/daglig-tabell/2-11153074/Frankrike/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te%20d'Azur/Alpes-Maritimes/Col%20de%20Turini

[Tauri_J]

Thats some serious amount of snow at Turini. If it would fall on race day they would probably cancel the stage.

[jcevc]

Yeah but for most special stages prediction is rain (especially for stages driven on low altitude) and possible freeze through the night(s)...at least it will not be bone dry as in two previous editions.

[CeskyOndra]

Yeah looks exciting. We need lower temperatures. Hopefully the forecast doesn't show the temperature of some deep forest places but shows the temperature in some city, you know what I mean.

[jparerax7]

Hello rally fans! I find myself planning which spots to spectate the Rally Montecarlo 2025 from and, given that it's my first time attending this rally, I have some doubts. Are we allowed to be outside of the official spectator zones (ZP)? Because in Rally Finland and Rally Sweden there are like suggested places to be, but you're actually free to go anywhere else (except from some private areas in which it is prohibited). Also, is parking really difficult? Should we go well in advance or like any WRC rally? Thanks for the help!

[Franky]

Hello rally fans! I find myself planning which spots to spectate the Rally Montecarlo 2025 from and, given that it's my first time attending this rally, I have some doubts. Are we allowed to be outside of the official spectator zones (ZP)? Because in Rally Finland and Rally Sweden there are like suggested places to be, but you're actually free to go anywhere else (except from some private areas in which it is prohibited). Also, is parking really difficult? Should we go well in advance or like any WRC rally? Thanks for the help!

Prohibited area signs become memorabilia at Monte Carlo Rally. Comparing spectator safety in Finland and Monte Carlo is a bit like comparing sanity to insanity. Last year there was no logic at times, like people could be with camp chairs and a bonfire about 7m from a prohibited zone sign on a field and no one would give a damn about them.

With parking I'd say be early everywhere and you'll save yourself longer walks.

[EstWRC]

Number 1 for Neuville

https://x.com/dirtfishrally/status/1880959207199162373?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[tbazsi95]

GR Yaris Rally1 in Monaco today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaemWL3kBY8

[EstWRC]

More footage of today

https://youtu.be/yLqGPN7chao?si=5hiGUtFENJVCUxC0
https://youtu.be/UOjINNpua30?si=E1yK9ZeS7fElLA_H

[Eli]

Beautiful livery for the Puma as always, shame the Hyundai & the Toyota are still ugly...

[Managarium]

So we can see that Puma does not have any more hybrid vents on a body. That means that they've used a homologation joker for bodywork.
Hyundai has converted theirs for rear breaks cooling. We can see blocking panel where rear breaks cooling ducts were.

[TypeR]

From some few opening ceremony videos/photos seems like Tanak and Evans no more with RedBull (no RB on Tanak's cap and Evans didn't have it at all(while others had)).

[EstWRC]

From some few opening ceremony videos/photos seems like Tanak and Evans no more with RedBull (no RB on Tanak's cap and Evans didn't have it at all(while others had)).

Yep. No more Red Bull helmet for Tänak https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFClc9FO3S3/?igsh=MTY0M3l4ZDdrbDNxaw==

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So we can see that Puma does not have any more hybrid vents on a body. That means that they've used a homologation joker for bodywork.


Surely they arent forced to use a bodywork joker when the Regs have changed ending the hybrid.

[becher]

Surely they arent forced to use a bodywork joker when the Regs have changed ending the hybrid.

I'd think so as well.

[Managarium]

Surely they arent forced to use a bodywork joker when the Regs have changed ending the hybrid.


I'd think so as well.


https://www.wrcwings.tech/2024/12/09/review-of-2025-rally1-technical-regulations/



The prominent intakes of the Puma and the Hyundai can be blocked or removed. Blocking can be done joker-free, but if they are not removed the drag of these cars will increase, as air will find higher resistance to flow around the car. A joker is required to remove them, and jokers are very limited for 2025 (just 2 available for the chassis). Thus, Hyundai and M-Sport will have to decide between removing the side intakes (and spend a joker) or keeping them, giving them a new use, such as brake or transmission cooling.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"The Ford Puma Rally1 was deprived of the side intakes in the events it ran as non-hybrid in 2024 (Poland and Central European Rally). For 2025, the removal of the Ford Puma side intakes will also depend on the availability of jokers, just 2 for 2025, once they have already used the 2024 jokers."

So did they already use the 2024 jokers ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From some few opening ceremony videos/photos seems like Tanak and Evans no more with RedBull (no RB on Tanak's cap and Evans didn't have it at all(while others had)).

Maybe Red Bull switched to more engaging drivers like Sesks to promote their brand.

Tanak's grumpy stage-end persona and Evans reply of 'quite ok' to every question, dont do much for the exciting image of RB.

[Managarium]

Maybe Red Bull switched to more engaging drivers like Sesks to promote their brand.



He is already an Red Bull athlete for a couple of years.

[TypeR]

Another problem/joke(r) there is with wrc.. for every little change you have to think and calculate about jokers..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He is already an Red Bull athlete for a couple of years.

I know and he fits their image.

Tanak & Evans' contract was maybe not renewed.

[tbazsi95]

Col de Turini now:
https://x.com/PowerslideMedia/status/1881340234404884558

[CeskyOndra]

Col de Turini now:
https://x.com/PowerslideMedia/status/1881340234404884558

That's nice but temperatures are too high during the days so it's going to melt until Sunday.

[EstWRC]

There was a picture of it some hours later and half of it was gone already

[tbazsi95]

Recce Day SS2 WRC Rallye Monte-Carlo 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUJw4zhpn5Q

[tbazsi95]

Col de Turini, 19:10
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=9096823037092234&set=gm.935635128550766&idorvanity=257661263014826

[denkimi]

Another problem/joke(r) there is with wrc.. for every little change you have to think and calculate about jokers..
Indeed. One of the most idiotic systems of all. You force teams to be stuck with bad cars because it's illegal to fix them.

[EstWRC]

Recce and service park https://youtu.be/ixKuqNGBqK4?si=nZBitowX_8JzGxLP

[Eli]

Recce and service park https://youtu.be/ixKuqNGBqK4?si=nZBitowX_8JzGxLP

Again, I'm aware it's not the most important thing in the world but I truly hope we'll see a NEW livery for the i20 in Sweden for the rest of 2025, and I also can't stress it enough, it's depressing to see for a 6th(!) season running no fourth WRC team in the service park. Also, did they not mention in the regulations for this year that the service park itself would be smaller and they wouldn't have these huge facilaties for the cars?

[deephouse]

Again, I'm aware it's not the most important thing in the world but I truly hope we'll see a NEW liver for the i20 in Sweden for the rest of 2025, and I also can't stress it enough, it's depressing to see for a 6th(!) season running no fourth WRC team in the service park. Also, did they not mention in the regulations for this year that the service park itself would be smaller and they wouldn't have these huge facilaties for the cars?

Silly right. They are throwing so much money around, and 4th car isn't acceptable according to their budget. Joke of a team.

[TypeR]

Recce and service park https://youtu.be/ixKuqNGBqK4?si=nZBitowX_8JzGxLP
Darn, these old bmw's with tractor sound :D like farmers going to city for a protest :D

[WRC1]

Again, I'm aware it's not the most important thing in the world but I truly hope we'll see a NEW liver for the i20 in Sweden for the rest of 2025, and I also can't stress it enough, it's depressing to see for a 6th(!) season running no fourth WRC team in the service park. Also, did they not mention in the regulations for this year that the service park itself would be smaller and they wouldn't have these huge facilaties for the cars?

the Hyundai´s at least HAVE a livery, even if is the old one....this black cars with stickers in Toyota Servicepark should be removed, they are just ugly

[denkimi]

Silly right. They are throwing so much money around, and 4th car isn't acceptable according to their budget. Joke of a team.
If i were manager, the first thing i would do is set up a 4th and 5th car. This massively increases the chances of winning rallies and the drivers title, for a rather small part of the total budget.

[EstWRC]

Ss12 recce https://youtu.be/IQxgMMNeg5Q?si=gYJny2BwKsnw_GbV

Service park https://youtu.be/Il6bdUxObME?si=FxDUnuxZUIF6AjUk

[tbazsi95]

I Took a Ride with the WRC Champion and ___ Happened �� (Dirtfish video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBRR-p1G-PE

[deephouse]

https://www.facebook.com/share/19akw3yj5a/

Pajari livery. Looks a little bit better. I kinda liked his all white livery last year. And also Latvala's all red too. They could run many colors for each car different. Like there is so much different cars on the grid, that they need to look all the same.


If i were manager, the first thing i would do is set up a 4th and 5th car. This massively increases the chances of winning rallies and the drivers title, for a rather small part of the total budget.

With 80 million a year they shouldn't even say that 4th car isn't available because of budget. Just a stupid excuses. Why then M-Sport are even racing. They are not even close to that numbers.

[tbazsi95]

Not the best advertisement for Eliott Delecour
https://www.facebook.com/RallyTroll/posts/pfbid01Rxie6MhhkGLMqgjmVpH7vNPNj4nXo6y3xBxiNL6Vyrn kziHMtyMt8uGXdabz1LBl

[Jarek Z]

the Hyundai´s at least HAVE a livery, even if is the old one....this black cars with stickers in Toyota Servicepark should be removed, they are just ugly

At least Pajari's car looks a little better, but not much:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1225281645664580&set=a.312173130308774

[Rallyper]

Not the best advertisement for Eliott Delecour
https://www.facebook.com/RallyTroll/posts/pfbid01Rxie6MhhkGLMqgjmVpH7vNPNj4nXo6y3xBxiNL6Vyrn kziHMtyMt8uGXdabz1LBl

So he is captured on recce session?

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2025/post-104-0-97440000-1737467828.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2025/post-104-0-58113900-1737467818.jpg

[dimviii]

So he is captured on recce session?
at 9,28min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUJw4zhpn5Q

[WRC1]

at 9,28min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUJw4zhpn5Q

ban him for at least one season....unbelivable stupid

[TypeR]

Solberg, Gryazin, Greensmith not driving for points..
I know rally ends on Sunday.. but Rossel can take quite easy max points from here..

[doubled1978]

Not the best advertisement for Eliott Delecour
https://www.facebook.com/RallyTroll/posts/pfbid01Rxie6MhhkGLMqgjmVpH7vNPNj4nXo6y3xBxiNL6Vyrn kziHMtyMt8uGXdabz1LBl

Get the badge in!

[satnav]

My WRC year starts early in the morning, off to Monte

[GigiGalliNo1]

It's snowing right now... at and above GAP.

Looks nice to wake up to!

[Rallyper]

at 9,28min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUJw4zhpn5Q

Oh, dear. Crazy.

[CeskyOndra]

It's snowing right now... at and above GAP.

Looks nice to wake up to!

It's nice! And it's promissing! I have a big hope now!

[EstWRC]

Look at these conditions https://youtu.be/-LZt0MftCR8?si=cn23DI2Zv1JTM__f

People stuck at recce https://x.com/rallyesport/status/1882030993579868592?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[EstWRC]

Shakedown link https://www.youtube.com/live/AZXAyyFzqd4?si=Eh9UNFtiRIBOTKSO

2 hours left

[PLuto]

Current situation on Turini - https://i.imgur.com/8pf2XEZ.jpeg

[Lead]

At least it wont be dry this year, thats for sure :)

[meh]

So then, it's kind of starting. Not in full competition mode yet, but the time stopper is running.

Enjoy the season rally fans!

[deephouse]

Pajari almost hit deer two times.

[focus206]

Ooof, 2 small deers ran in front of Pajari, lucky nothing happened

Edit: 3 deers, actually

[EstWRC]

Pajari almost hit a deer

[CeskyOndra]

Nice reactions from Pajari

[meh]

"Oh deer"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Please post the SD times here for me. I have serious IT issues & cant access the usual sites. TIA.

[meh]

Please post the SD times here for me. I have serious IT issues & cant access the usual sites. TIA.

Run 1.

1. #8 Tänak Ott - Järveoja Martin Hyundai i20 N Rally1 2:09.8
2. #69 Rovanperä Kalle - Halttunen J. Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 2:10.5
3. #33 Evans Elfyn - Martin Scott Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 2:10.7
4. #1 Neuville Thierry - Wydaeghe M. Hyundai i20 N Rally1 2:11.1
5. #17 Ogier Sébastien - Landais V. Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 2:11.7
6. #18 Katsuta Takamoto - Johnston A. Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 2:12.7
7. #16 Fourmaux Adrien - Coria A. Hyundai i20 N Rally1 2:13.7
8. #13 Munster Grégoire - Louka Louis Ford Puma Rally1 2:16.7
9. #5 Pajari Sami - Salminen Marko Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 2:18.3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thanks Meh !

[Morte66]

Tanak (fastest) and Rovanpera (fast for that far down the order) stood out.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

McErlean nowhere I presume ? :(

[Tauri_J]

McErlean nowhere I presume ? :(

Did we not expect it?

[EstWRC]

Well he is faster than Munster at the moment but with 4 runs already compared to Munsters two

[PLuto]

McErlean nowhere I presume ? :(

https://i.imgur.com/QD0zgU8l.png

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well he is faster than Munster at the moment but with 4 runs already compared to Munsters two

Not bad as the road must be getting really dirty by now.

[EstWRC]

Tanaks second run also very good considering he did it much later than others

[PLuto]

Tanaks second run also very good considering he did it much later than others

It is difficult to compare the times as the condition is changing. And we dont know which type of tyres they are trying to use/test in these conditions...

[Kras]

Tanaks second run also very good considering he did it much later than others

His first run didn't even look like it was on the edge. I guess his setup is dialed

[PLuto]

Shakedown stopped after crash of Margaillan.

[EstWRC]

2 runs was mandatory?

[PLuto]

2 runs was mandatory?

yes

[EstWRC]

Shakedown https://youtu.be/HVx7YEjMAbw?si=WqnJznpXUm1yA_L7

https://youtu.be/tx-AtjwpUoI?si=yZzajnwwz0Bl3CpO

https://youtu.be/ph52loirj70?si=7XM5lV1zuZNzQ832

[Eli]

Shakedown https://youtu.be/HVx7YEjMAbw?si=WqnJznpXUm1yA_L7

https://youtu.be/tx-AtjwpUoI?si=yZzajnwwz0Bl3CpO

https://youtu.be/ph52loirj70?si=7XM5lV1zuZNzQ832

Jesus, seeing these videos, I know the costs are high and everything but can we please keep the global racing engine for a few more years?? They sound Amazing!!!

[EstWRC]

Tyre info should appear here https://hankook-recce.com/

[CeskyOndra]

Tyre info should appear here https://hankook-recce.com/

Lot of info to be found here. I just saw that on SS11/14 there might be almost 50 percent of the stage on ice? is this possiblw?

[dimviii]

Tanak onboard shakedown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpEQnxy84LY

[CeskyOndra]

...And the snow disappeared during the night.

[ReRe]

Some of my photos from service and shakedown: https://eu.zonerama.com/TomasR/Album/12772383

[tbazsi95]

I know and he fits their image.

Tanak & Evans' contract was maybe not renewed.

6 days ago Evans had Red Bull cap here.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DE4mv87KzCc/

[meh]

Probably some kind of repost, but time to update scoring formulas: https://x.com/WRCgerardquinn/status/1882370057592074245/photo/1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

6 days ago Evans had Red Bull cap here.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DE4mv87KzCc/

Not yesterday at SD stage end.

[Jarek Z]

Probably some kind of repost, but time to update scoring formulas: https://x.com/WRCgerardquinn/status/1882370057592074245/photo/1

So a driver from the second place can still "win" a rally points-wise...

[Negaiss]

Not yesterday at SD stage end.

Yes, it is still possible, but less likely than in 2024. New poins system is king of OK in my opinion. Super fast High risk drivers can score bigtime. That ir Why Rovanpera will win championship with 4 rounds still remaining.

[CeskyOndra]

Yes, it is still possible, but less likely than in 2024. New poins system is king of OK in my opinion. Super fast High risk drivers can score bigtime. That ir Why Rovanpera will win championship with 4 rounds still remaining.

Hah you are a big Kalle believer

[archie106]

Not yesterday at SD stage end.

Elfyn has confirmed on Instagram that the Redbull partnership has come to an end, hence his new helmet design.

[archie106]

Wow, Hankook have really raised the game with stage information!

On the https://hankook-recce.com/ website

At the bottom of the page select a stage under "Recce/Stage Analysis", then go to "Surface Measurements"

It gives the exact conditions on every part of the stage, will be interesting to see how correct they are.

2604

[CeskyOndra]

Wow thats just amazing, lets see

[dupanton]

Wow, Hankook have really raised the game with stage information!

On the https://hankook-recce.com/ website

At the bottom of the page select a stage under "Recce/Stage Analysis", then go to "Surface Measurements"

It gives the exact conditions on every part of the stage, will be interesting to see how correct they are.

2604

There recce was 3 days ago, so it will not be very accurate unfortunately...

[rallyfiend]

So was the driver’s.

What’s your point?

[archie106]

There recce was 3 days ago, so it will not be very accurate unfortunately...

Good point, hopefully they send a car around with the gravel crews and can update the information just before the stage runs.

[EstWRC]

I wonder when hankook posts the info about tyre choice on that site. Nothing yet

[EstWRC]

And as I was just writing they updated the stage conditions thre. Very cool!

[dupanton]

I wonder when hankook posts the info about tyre choice on that site. Nothing yet

First car only left tyre fitting 7min ago.
I think they will wait untill all P1 cars are out of the zone to avoid people copying the first cars.

[dupanton]

So was the driver’s.

What’s your point?

My point was that the part about wet/dry/ice/snow isn't going to be accurate. They just posted a more recent update though, great content!

[CeskyOndra]

That's cool asf, also great info for us, it's still wet and the temperatures will be about 0 degrees.

[stavrosGDB]

Hats off to Hankook for this info.

[EstWRC]

That's cool asf, also great info for us, it's still wet and the temperatures will be about 0 degrees.

The info there shows 10 degrees air and 8.5 for ground

[CeskyOndra]

The info there shows 10 degrees air and 8.5 for ground

That was in the afternoon, when the sun goes down there, it drops rapidly

[TypeR]

Happy new (rally) year!!!

[PLuto]

Unfortunately it is too hot and too dry...

[EstWRC]

Stupid fans for evans with the smoke

[CeskyOndra]

Tanak back with his classic Monte pace

[EstWRC]

Tänak with a plan or something with the car

The stage beginning was really good and then suddenly dropped time

[CeskyOndra]

Just careful I would say, it looks a bit wet and dirty towards the end.. Fourmaux quicker.

[CeskyOndra]

Katsuta big lost and Kalle isn't very fast too

[EstWRC]

Just careful I would say, it looks a bit wet and dirty towards the end.. Fourmaux quicker.

Or the fact that his test day was with heavy rain and wet. Hasn’t got experience with dry

Anyway we will see

[archie106]

I wonder if the damp parts of the stage are starting to freeze - the stage could be getting slower?

[EstWRC]

Hankook has posted the tire info now

[CeskyOndra]

I wonder if the damp parts of the stage are starting to freeze - the stage could be getting slower?

Could be, the next stages will be interesting

[CeskyOndra]

Onboard of Pajari looks very slippy now

[deephouse]

Munster as expected, Solberg stopped.

[CeskyOndra]

Solberg stopped

[archie106]

Nightmare for Solberg, puncture?

[TypeR]

Ffs Solberg :D

[EstWRC]

Neuville and Fourmaux with 4 super soft and 2 winter tires

Ogier, Tänak, Katsuta, Kalle with 5 super softs

Evans, Pajari and Josh with 6 super softs

Munster with 2 softs and 4 super softs

[Morte66]

Hot damn, it is good to be watching a rally again.

[deephouse]

It's awesome. And this year the drivers will have eevn more demanding with one extra event added, they will only have one month of "free time"

[Kras]

Just tuned in. Lets goooo!!!

[denkimi]

What happened to mcerlean?

[AE1WRC]

Thought that the stage won't get much dirty but from Kalle's run, it was already dirty especially 2nd half of the stage.

[Morte66]

What happened to mcerlean?

Just taking it slow and careful, I think.

[WRC1]

What happened to mcerlean?

he is doing a Serderidis...

[AE1WRC]

Not surprised by his (mcerlean) time to be honest.

[DionLv]

Atleast Serderidis and Munster will have their own fight

[ictus]

Not surprised by his (mcerlean) time to be honest.

Yeah, Monte is pretty much the worst rally to debaut in a new car.
It;s wise to take it slow rather than crash out on the first stage and not gain any experiance

[deephouse]

Surprised times are Tanak, Katsuta, Rovanpera and Fourmaux (he was so hyped he will throw the glow to everything straight away)... But I wasn't surprised at M-Sport drivers. Josh is first time in this car. But Munster is completely dissapointment.

But on the other hand we saw Dakar. Dacia, Ford and also Toyota did all dissapoint. And then ex WRC friend won with private entry. That was surprise, since I never imagined he will fly high there.

[AE1WRC]

Surprised times are Tanak, Katsuta, Rovanpera and Fourmaux (he was so hyped he will throw the glow to everything straight away)... But I wasn't surprised at M-Sport drivers. Josh is first time in this car. But Munster is completely dissapointment.

But on the other hand we saw Dakar. Dacia, Ford and also Toyota did all dissapoint. And then ex WRC friend won with private entry. That was surprise, since I never imagined he will fly high there.


To be honest I am not surprised given the pollution. Rov and Tanak were quick in the first half of the stage (where the road was more clean) but the last half, I saw Kalle was literally not aggressive at all and the time loss was obvious. However this is Monte you never know what is gonna happen anytime.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville and Fourmaux's winter tires are quite a surprise for me

[Fast Eddie WRC]

When are SS2 & SS3 starting ?

[AE1WRC]

Neuville and Fourmaux's winter tires are quite a surprise for me

Why would they use their winter tyres tonight, I think they will need them more for tomorrow and Saturday . I am also surprised by that decision from them.

[AE1WRC]

When are SS2 & SS3 starting ?
ss2 34 min later
ss3 1 hour and 46 min later

[Morte66]

SS2 18:53 UK time, SS3 20:06 UK time.

[denkimi]

I'm suddenly wondeting if ther are any other night stages anywhere else in the wrc?

[Kras]

I'm suddenly wondeting if ther are any other night stages anywhere else in the wrc?

Sweden?

[EstWRC]

Reading the stage 2 conditions from Hankook site it seems this is the place where Neuville and Fourmaux will use their two winter tires.

in general last third of stage very dirty with a lot lose gravel and mud

[meh]

Took a look at the hankook-recce page - that is a really nice surprise, if to not say, hankook does not provide only tires, but a nice overview of many things that would be responsibility of the promoter.

In case someone is looking for the link from (many pages ago) like I just did, the helpful link here:
https://hankook-recce.com/

Bookmarked.

[PLuto]

Took a look at the hankook-recce page - that is a really nice surprise, if to not say, hankook does not provide only tires, but a nice overview of many things that would be responsibility of the promoter.

In case someone is looking for the link from (many pages ago) like I just did, the helpful link here:
https://hankook-recce.com/

Bookmarked.

To say the truth, Pirelli was doing it in similar way, but it was only for competitors, not for public...

[Kras]

What the fuck is wrong with people blinding drivers over narrow bridges with flares?

[meh]

Fourmaux fastest in split 1...

[deephouse]

What the fuck is wrong with people blinding drivers over narrow bridges with flares?

Probably drunk assholes who don't even care about the sport. On event like that they are always present.

[CeskyOndra]

Adrien is very nice surprise so far

[Kras]

I wonder if Ogier is gonna push Neuville into binning it, or vice-versa

[CeskyOndra]

Someone will surely bin it towards the end... So difficult..

[CeskyOndra]

What is wrong with Kalle

[meh]

What is wrong with Kalle

surface and starting position, but this time probably something more

[EstWRC]

What is wrong with Kalle

Rusty like expected and dirtier road

[NoBudgetWRT]

Nothing. He doesn't like Monte

[deephouse]

What is wrong with Kalle

This was never his problem, so very surprising.

[CeskyOndra]

I know but still it is a big time lost so far

[Kras]

Rovanpera slower than Munster. Ouch

[jcevc]

Remember 2022 when he had almost one minute delay after first day...

[deephouse]

And at the end because it's Monte, he will win the event and everyone including me will be blown away

[WRC1]

what is wrong with Evans?? with his Starting Position, under this conditions, he should be much faster....

[becher]

Remember 2022 when he had almost one minute delay after first day...
And then he was close to Ogier on Saturday and won the Powerstage.

[NoBudgetWRT]

What a struggle for young Serderidis

[focus206]

I wouldn't be worried if I were Tanak or Kalle. Rally is long and tricky so anything can happen, and they'll excel in other rounds. The smart thing is to get points when you're not comfortable.

[denkimi]

Reading the stage 2 conditions from Hankook site it seems this is the place where Neuville and Fourmaux will use their two winter tires.

in general last third of stage very dirty with a lot lose gravel and mud
It doesn't seem to have made a difference.

[CeskyOndra]

What a struggle for young Serderidis

Did you expect something different in his first WRC start?

[EstWRC]

It doesn't seem to have made a difference.

Neuville didn’t use them, dunno about Fourmaux.

[denkimi]

Did you expect something different in his first WRC start?
I was expecting him to beat at least the rc2 cars. He is having more power, more grip and a better road position and still loses 18 seconds to gryazin.

[Doon]

McErlean is even slower than Greensmith was in a top line car. At least he seems to be a bit more of a likeable character. But, it’s so slow, and definitely means him and Munster are the worst lineup ever. However, we should be thankful that they are keeping M-Sport heads above water.

[PLuto]

McErlean is even slower than Greensmith was in a top line car. At least he seems to be a bit more of a likeable character. But, it’s so slow, and definitely means him and Munster are the worst lineup ever. However, we should be thankful that they are keeping M-Sport heads above water.

Give Josh time. It is first start with this car, first experience with Rally1...

[TypeR]

Rusty like expected and dirtier road


McErlean is even slower than Greensmith was in a top line car. At least he seems to be a bit more of a likeable character. But, it’s so slow, and definitely means him and Munster are the worst lineup ever. However, we should be thankful that they are keeping M-Sport heads above water.
Tanak and Rovapera are also snails today.. let's wait for tomorrow :)

[AndersX]

McErlean is even slower than Greensmith was in a top line car. At least he seems to be a bit more of a likeable character. But, it’s so slow, and definitely means him and Munster are the worst lineup ever. However, we should be thankful that they are keeping M-Sport heads above water.

I suggest we give hime time. Monte in these conditions, night and starting position is the worst situation one new-comer can start his WRC carrier. I am sure he will progress through the rally and also through the season. You all know that Malcolm and Co do not like those who bin their cars - that is why Munster is appreciated and have these opportunities - he did not bin a single chassis, contrary to many others. I McErlean will stay on road, he will progress.

[WRC1]

Tanak and Rovapera are also snails today.. let's wait for tomorrow :)

+ Evans (considering his road position)

[meh]

I guess McErlean has only one goal at the moment and it is to gain mileage and reach the finish.

To be slower in Rally1 car than others in Rally2 is not a boost for your ego, but his job is to ignore this fact at the moment.

He did not have any results to boost expectations of him to be a top 5 rally1 driver out of the blue. I think everything is logical at the moment.

[CeskyOndra]

Let's see guys, SS3 coming up!!

[deephouse]

I suggest we give hime time. Monte in these conditions, night and starting position is the worst situation one new-comer can start his WRC carrier. I am sure he will progress through the rally and also through the season. You all know that Malcolm and Co do not like those who bin their cars - that is why Munster is appreciated and have these opportunities - he did not bin a single chassis, contrary to many others. I McErlean will stay on road, he will progress.

But M-Sport seems, are also the only one who can do impossible and turn absolute wreckage into fully running racing machine again in a matter of hours. Remember TiTanak and last year Munster with his slow speed total crash (that car look more like an old model Puma than new SUV they are running).

[EstWRC]

Where is that talked about command center?

[Rallyper]

Evening guys. I´m on from now (start SS3).
New season. New expectations.

[deephouse]

Where is that talked about command center?

I suspect they are testing it and will see if it's ready. But having the same issues on RallyTV site/app they should focus on fixing that already. 3rd stage, and already had 13 errors all of sudden. And of course also everytime it does log me out of site.

[EstWRC]

All 3 stages so weird from Tänak. On pace the first two splits and then totally fades away

[Kras]

I wonder if Ogier is gonna push Neuville into binning it, or vice-versa

Called it

[meh]

If Ogier gets away from it without any damage, he has used most of his luck-pool for the year.

[CeskyOndra]

Ogier again lucky at the start of the year

[Kras]

Seb is gonna have to push now. It'll be exciting

[Morte66]

Bad time from Fourmaux. Good from Evans, he's 2 seconds off the lead now.

But... of course, it's Monte and the times go up and down in great big chunks continuously. One stage (or three) doesn't mean a whole lot.

[Doon]

Formaux proving that he’s not a genius, and that the Puma is actually a decent car. Can’t think he’d be slower in the Ford

[CeskyOndra]

Formaux proving that he’s not a genius, and that the Puma is actually a decent car. Can’t think he’d be slower in the Ford

Its a first rally with Hyundai and he is only 3sec behind Tanak.. Munster is going well btw..