[ERC] JDS Machinery Rali Ceredigion 30.8-1.9.2024 [Archive]

Eli

2nd July 2024, 17:19

Full route has been revealed with 183km & 14 Special Stages will take action in Ceredigion as well as Carmarthenshire and Powys counties as the rally takes place for the first time in the ERC, full info can be found here:
https://www.raliceredigion.co.uk/articles/v/90-rali-ceredigion-welcomes-european-stars-with-new-extended-route/

Fingers crossed it goes so well that we'll see it make it's debut in the WRC in a couple or so years' time.

Jarek Z

2nd July 2024, 18:50

I have never heard about this rally, but those photos look great :)

https://eu-assets.simpleview-europe.com/visitmidwales/imageresizer/?image=%2Fdmsimgs%2FRali_Ceredigion_award_68953442 9.jpg&action=ProductDetailImage

https://www.raliceredigion.co.uk/cms/news/68_6313e35abfdbcs_0.jpg?v=1662247790?2022090400295 0

https://www.raliceredigion.co.uk/inc/layout/homepage_0.jpg?123

https://i0.wp.com/rallyinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/JCR22_CRONIN_JE-scaled.jpg?resize=1400%2C600&ssl=1

https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/tindle-static/image/2024/07/01/13/12/010724-James-Williams.jpg?trim=0,0,0,0&width=669&height=445&crop=669:445

Mirek

2nd July 2024, 19:09

Jarek Z

2nd July 2024, 19:16

That's some good shit! Very big balls required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo3eeFlV2-4

On a side note, I have always thought that Polish is a difficult language, but... can you correctly pronounce the name of that stage? ;)

Mirek

2nd July 2024, 19:25

On a side note, I have always thought that Polish is a difficult language, but... can you correctly pronounce the name of that stage? ;)

They named the places by random hit in the keyboard about a thousand years before the keyboard was invented :D

Steve Boyd

3rd July 2024, 01:24

On a side note, I have always thought that Polish is a difficult language, but... can you correctly pronounce the name of that stage? ;)
Try this:
https://translate.google.com/?sl=cy&tl=en&text=Cwmystwyth&op=translate
Click on the little loudspeaker icon on the Welsh side.

I'm English and don't speak Welsh, but as far as I know "cwm" is Welsh for valley & "Ystwyth" is the name of the river. That's after more than 50 years of going to rallies in Wales & watching Welsh language TV reports with English sub-titles!

I find Gaelic much harder - they have characters in their alphabet that I have no idea what sound they represent!

Fast Eddie WRC

3rd July 2024, 09:19

On a side note, I have always thought that Polish is a difficult language, but... can you correctly pronounce the name of that stage? ;)

W is pronounced U and Y is like I...

So its Cum - Ist -With.

The rally base town is Aberystwyth.. Aber means river so it's at the mouth of the River Ystwyth.

Its a very historic town with a lot of culture and a university...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberystwyth

Fast Eddie WRC

3rd July 2024, 10:29

Quote from the 2022 winner, Hayden Paddon:

“I’ve really loved this event. I can honestly say that it’s one of the best rallies of its kind anywhere in the world. The stages are awesome and the atmosphere has been great, especially for the two runs through the town on Saturday night.

This is actually my first ever outright asphalt rally win, so I’ll just have to keep coming back to do it again !”

https://www.raliceredigion.co.uk/articles/v/69-hayden-paddon-wins-2022-get-connected-rali-ceredigion/

dodge33cymru

3rd July 2024, 16:55

Slightly confused by the order of stages on Saturday - surely they're not going to run the three 'normal' stages in a loop; one of them is way north of the others. Quite a big commute from Aberystwyth to those two new stages, might need to look for alternative accommodation (or get a tent out!).

J4MIE

8th August 2024, 11:19

Maps have been published on the local council website:

https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/eetomw0d/aberystwyth-map-1.pdf
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/0whpv1gw/aberystwyth-map-2.pdf
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/mvebhqck/aberystwyth-map-3.pdf
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/1vmpo5sj/bethania-map.pdf
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/xkzdolyh/cwmerfyn-map.pdf
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/vrqlruua/hafod-map.pdf
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/lkjm0mwu/llyn-brianne-map.pdf
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/udzh1sph/nant-y-moch-map.pdf

archie106

8th August 2024, 12:27

The organisers have done a cracking job with the route, nice mix of fast flowing roads and tighter sections.

First rally in a while where I cannot decide where to spectate! All stages are fantastic, though access is difficult for Llyn Brianne and Nant y Moch.

Whilst there is only ~55 km on Sunday, Hafod and Bethania look very challenging - it won't be an easy cruise!

dodge33cymru

8th August 2024, 14:58

Does anyone know if you need / should have the paid spots for spectating? They're pretty expensive for one person going on their own, so I'm not sure if it's just paying for things that I don't really need and the website isn't clear at all about whether that's a 'nice to have' or it's officially the only way to spectate.

archie106

8th August 2024, 20:47

As I read it, you are buying tickets to enter the fan zone, not to spectate on the rally. As it does not state that the fan zones are the only places you can go, I would assume that it is possible to spectate anywhere - that is what I am doing anyway.

Obviously as its a closed road rally, most of the land to either side of the road is private, so its just a case of not standing or parking somewhere that will cause PR issues.

The other thing to consider is that if not using the official zones, will probably have to get to the stage pretty early to get in position before road closures.

J4MIE

9th August 2024, 08:50

Steve Boyd

10th August 2024, 00:29

The other thing to consider is that if not using the official zones, will probably have to get to the stage pretty early to get in position before road closures.And probably have to stay there until it opens again.

Fast Eddie WRC

14th August 2024, 20:54

Three-time British Champion Matt Edwards is set to return to Britain’s premier rallying series in the summer spectacular, Rali Ceredigion at the end of the August.... and also take on the top ERC drivers.

https://britishrallychampionship.co.uk/edwards-eyes-return-to-british-championship/

J4MIE

14th August 2024, 21:57

Lots of rumours that there are very very few foreign entries.
Maybe Paddon, Ostberg & Armstrong? Then the usual British entries.

TWRC

15th August 2024, 04:59

Lots of rumours that there are very very few foreign entries.
Maybe Paddon, Ostberg & Armstrong? Then the usual British entries.

I think Ostberg is unlikely, they are planning to be back for Poland at the end of the season.

Sal yet again

15th August 2024, 07:08

https://www.fiaerc.com/a/news/w28405_Why-it-was-mission-accomplished-for-ERC-Rally2-rookie-Molle

Think there may be more overseas entries than when it was part of the TER. Remember reading it was on Campedelli's schedule as well.

We are an expensive and slightly more difficult island to reach these days however would expect a few more non BRC/BTRDA crews though.

Jarek Z

15th August 2024, 13:44

archie106

15th August 2024, 14:33

Its a shame that more of the ERC regulars didn't enter, but still, I reckon that 6-8 drivers on that list could win.

Will still be a very competitive event, and with a further 98 cars entered into the national rally will be good for spectators.

Andre Oliveira

15th August 2024, 15:16

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/85611-jds-machinery-rali-ceredigion-2024/

Fast Eddie WRC

15th August 2024, 17:02

One of the worst entry lists of the season indeed:
https://enhance-storage-stack-prod-wrcmediafilestorage-g3z2hg3urwff.s3.amazonaws.com/fb0fb41c-13c6-4830-8f9f-a24fc6a9e490_entry-list-erc-wal-2024-ver-e-15-august-2024.pdf

For some reason Britain has never been very interested in ERC and vice versa...

19 Rally2 cars compared to 23 in Barum isnt so bad.

Also two are drivers coming from the Irish Championship (Edwards and Devine) who are top quality.

Andre Oliveira

15th August 2024, 21:48

RedGrey back to M-Sport?

AndyRAC

16th August 2024, 07:47

One of the worst entry lists of the season indeed:
https://enhance-storage-stack-prod-wrcmediafilestorage-g3z2hg3urwff.s3.amazonaws.com/fb0fb41c-13c6-4830-8f9f-a24fc6a9e490_entry-list-erc-wal-2024-ver-e-15-august-2024.pdf

For some reason Britain has never been very interested in ERC and vice versa...

Reminds me a little of the first IRC Rally Scotland back in 2009.....which got a paltry entry.....

Sal yet again

16th August 2024, 08:06

We always seem to get a round towards the end of the season when the overall championship is close to being won! The Manx even with Rothmans backing back in the 80s never really saw the level of entries that some adjacent "mainland" European rallies did. Think the classic year of 88 when both Snijers and Tabaton along with Droogmans etc showed up was one of the few exceptions. As for Scotland and the IRC ... Interesting to note though that the National entry is not as packed with Rally 2 machinery as per earlier rallies either so very much an end of term feel. Ironically the BRC entry is holding up well.

Fast Eddie WRC

16th August 2024, 09:05

Still a good entry in terms of quality if not quantity...

https://www.fiaerc.com/a/news/w28451_It-s-a-champion-and-winner-fest-as-exciting-ERC-Rali-Ceredigion-entry-revealed

Fast Eddie WRC

16th August 2024, 09:09

RedGrey back to M-Sport?

Maybe RedGrey are just running the Fiesta's for this event. Strange though with Creighton a BRC Title contender...

archie106

16th August 2024, 10:39

I suspect the RedGrey thing is not 'real'. MSport will be running the cars, but as they are not registered for the teams championship, RedGrey are taking advantage of the points.

Equally, I don't recall Keith Cronin competing with 'Eurosol Racing Team Hungary' before either.

Andre Oliveira

16th August 2024, 11:09

Pearson with RedGrey too.

Strange Cronin with Eurosol too.

Steve Boyd

17th August 2024, 00:14

The Manx even with Rothmans backing back in the 80s never really saw the level of entries that some adjacent "mainland" European rallies did. Think the classic year of 88 when both Snijers and Tabaton along with Droogmans etc showed up was one of the few exceptions.It was Tudor Webasto in 1988. It was the first year I was part of the results team on the event and I was involved on every one after that. Part of the problem for the Europeans is that they didn't like the bumpy tarmac as most of them were used to much smoother roads meaning they often struggled with setup and enticements like free entry & travel assistance weren't enough when they could do any one of dozens of events they were used to to get points. They only ever came when they really needed coefficient 20 points for their championship bid.
As an aside, there was also a historic rally that year and the big Healies & Sunbeam Tigers then were no older than an Escort WRC car is now!

As for Scotland and the IRC ... Worked on results on those too!

Sal yet again

17th August 2024, 08:14

Did every Manx from 82 thru to 89 as a marshal/spectator Steve, so aware of the sponsorship change and nature of the the rally which I agree was probably too specialist for a lot of the Europeans. The point I was trying to make though is that even in the days of the co-efficient system holding a rally towards the end of the season when the title race was down to a handful of drivers with strong local competition on an event that not many of the ERC had previously done was not the strongest draw. Ceredigion being held only a couple of weeks after the biggest rally of the championship year probably hasnt helped either. There are plenty of non-uk drivers on that list lets be honest its just that they are not in premier leauge machinery.

Jarek Z

17th August 2024, 09:50

I have just had a look at the national entry list and... there are 4 crews driving Land Rover Defenders??? What kind of idea is behind it? :)
https://www.raliceredigion.co.uk/files/2024_national_entry_list.pdf

Jarek Z

17th August 2024, 09:52

Do I see Mark Higgins and Gwyndaf Evans there? They should be on the main entry list! ;)

MartijnS

17th August 2024, 10:17

Probably the military Land Rover cup? Running for at least 15 years already I think.

dodge33cymru

17th August 2024, 16:17

Expected the ERC entries to be fairly low but really poor BRC turnout on the whole, compared to the (disastrous) first rally of the season.

I have just had a look at the national entry list and... there are 4 crews driving Land Rover Defenders??? What kind of idea is behind it? :)
https://www.raliceredigion.co.uk/files/2024_national_entry_list.pdf

It's part of an army training programme for engineers - get drivers to wreck them and get the young mechanics to learn how to fix and maintain them.

Jarek Z

17th August 2024, 17:21

It's part of an army training programme for engineers - get drivers to wreck them and get the young mechanics to learn how to fix and maintain them.

Wow! What a great idea! I have never heard about it. I think RallyTV should make a story about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2CF_t2NveQ

Mirek

17th August 2024, 19:12

Wow! What a great idea! I have never heard about it. I think RallyTV should make a story about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2CF_t2NveQ

I remeber it from WRC Wales Rally GB.

J4MIE

17th August 2024, 19:24

Wow! What a great idea! I have never heard about it. I think RallyTV should make a story about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2CF_t2NveQ

They’ve been competing on events for decades, it is an old tradition. It takes some talent and lack of fear (& brains?!) to drive them quickly….

J4MIE

17th August 2024, 19:30

As well as the ERC coverage you’ll have the option of watching the Special Stage live coverage of the National field (nobody else is allowed to film the International :rolleyes: (I presume the BRC will be emptying their sponsors wallets to pay the ERC to use their footage)).

Steve Boyd

18th August 2024, 00:25

Did every Manx from 82 thru to 89 as a marshal/spectator SteveIf I add spectating, servicing & timekeeping I've been involved with 33 of them since 1977 and 24 Nationals. I reckon I've spent around six months over there on rallies all told!

The point I was trying to make though is that even in the days of the co-efficient system holding a rally towards the end of the season when the title race was down to a handful of drivers with strong local competition on an event that not many of the ERC had previously done was not the strongest draw. Ceredigion being held only a couple of weeks after the biggest rally of the championship year probably hasnt helped either.I think you're right, and I very much doubt that Ceredigion can offer the kind of financial incentives that the Manx could in its glory days when they struggled to attract top level Eurpoeans. The Manx did get some Europeans over, lower down the entry list. Most of them came from Holland and Germany (competitors & marshals), usually people involved with the West Euro Cup. They also managed to get the French Citröen AX Cup competitors over in 1992 as their "foreign" event, so again not premier league.

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2024, 10:11

RedGrey entering the cars of Creighton and Pearson would make no sense. In the BRC Teams Championship it's going to go down to the wire.Here's how it stands after the Grampian Forest Rally...

1- M-Sport Ford Rally Team - 107
2 - Castrol Melvyn Evans Motorsport Rally Team - 104

I guess they are just paying for the ERC entry of these drivers. Do Teams get prize money if their cars finish high up in the results ?

PLuto

19th August 2024, 12:57

Not so strong entry list has various reasons. It is close to the season end, so lot of drivers has stopped their participation in championship when they have no chance for good result. Most of the drivers has limited budget, there is only few who has budget for all races. Lot of them is going event by event and one crash can mean additional costs and reasons to miss the event. And gravel specialists like Heikkila or Sesks decided not to continue in tarmac part of season. Also calendar schedule is crazy for privateers, in fact in almost two months there were in a row Scandinavia-Estonia-Rome-Barum-Ceredigion. For lot of teams almost impossible to attend all of them. Also Ceredigion to be only two weeks after Barum doesnt help (deadline for entry including payment of entry fee was week before Barum). And another problem is brexit, so additional customs and lot of paperwork needs...

Regarding strange competitors at some drivers - dont find anything special like teams championship or non-existing prize money behind it. It is very simple - to have ERC1 priority, you need to pay registration (3555 euro). If you are registered to the championship as a team, you can nominate different drivers to the events. So for competitors doing only one rally it is easier to make agreement with some registered team which is not attending for some symbolical fee than pay 3555 euro for own registration. RedGrey is registered since Estonia, so they only used their previous registrations...

Fast Eddie WRC

19th August 2024, 17:18

Thanks PLuto.

archie106

26th August 2024, 08:07

Amaury Molle unfortunately withdrawn from Rali Ceredigion due to cracked ribs after the crash at Barum.

https://www.facebook.com/amaurymolleracing/posts/815137010604620

Fast Eddie WRC

27th August 2024, 14:15

Hayden Paddon

It’s rally week again and always love returning to the UK to compete. We have some good memories of Wales & Rally Ceredigion having won here two years ago. However with all but one of the stages being new this year, it means it is an even footing for everyone.

Wales is always special to us as this is also where we competed in our first Rally in Europe - Wales Rally GB in 2008 - 16 years ago ! We miss the gravel forest stages, however the unique narrow tarmac lane stages of Ceredigion provide equally the challenge.

Andre Oliveira

27th August 2024, 16:53

Simone Tempestini will replace Amaury Molle by invitation of MRF.

#18 Volkswagen Polo GTI R5

Jarek Z

27th August 2024, 16:53

Amaury Molle unfortunately withdrawn from Rali Ceredigion due to cracked ribs after the crash at Barum.

https://www.facebook.com/amaurymolleracing/posts/815137010604620

Every cloud has a silver lining - Simone Tempestini to replace Amaury Molle in Wales:
https://www.fiaerc.com/a/news/w28508_ERC-winner-Tempestini-gets-late-Ceredigion-call-from-MRF-Tyres

saco0o

27th August 2024, 21:57

Ingram is IN so im 100% happy. 19 entries is good enough for a rally up in the UK. not sure why theres no tons of local teams but its fine. go Ingram!

dodge33cymru

28th August 2024, 11:00

Ingram is IN so im 100% happy. 19 entries is good enough for a rally up in the UK. not sure why theres no tons of local teams but its fine. go Ingram!

At least in the top class (Ral2) it's the lowest entry for any British round this year (been a relatively good year for BRC), so I'm guessing the entry costs must be a lot higher for this one? Not terrible numbers, but was hoping for a little more originally.

J4MIE

29th August 2024, 01:09

At least in the top class (Ral2) it's the lowest entry for any British round this year (been a relatively good year for BRC), so I'm guessing the entry costs must be a lot higher for this one? Not terrible numbers, but was hoping for a little more originally.

Several hundred pounds extra, plus much longer distance will add much more costs in terms of tyres, fuel, car mileage, extra accommodation etc.

Plus we are nearing the end of the year when budgets are running low.

archie106

29th August 2024, 06:15

Kyle Whites car is currently being repaired I believe, so he isn't entered.

In Matt Edwards latest vlog, apparently Tom Cave was very close to putting a deal together which would have been great to see.

Jarek Z

29th August 2024, 07:55

Ingram says his priority this year is the British title:
https://www.fiaerc.com/a/news/w28516_Ingram:-More-ERC-success-can-wait

Fast Eddie WRC

29th August 2024, 08:46

In Matt Edwards latest vlog, apparently Tom Cave was very close to putting a deal together which would have been great to see.

Yes I watched that. But as Cave said, starting a rally after years away is very tough and I dont see how he could've been competitive here.

Fast Eddie WRC

29th August 2024, 09:14

saco0o

29th August 2024, 09:37

interesting. does all erc rounds are on the national championship's calendar? i always thought they were, "in a way".

Fast Eddie WRC

29th August 2024, 17:00

This could be Hayden Paddon's last rally (in Europe) !

https://dirtfish.com/rally/erc/rali-ceredigion-could-be-paddons-last-rally-in-europe/

Fast Eddie WRC

29th August 2024, 17:12

I couldn't put it any better than @lukebarry97 :

Rali Ceredigion this year - a huge event for the entire UK rallying community.

Brilliant to see international rallying return to these shores... and about 10 drivers could realistically win !

Jarek Z

29th August 2024, 17:49

New livery and new car for Simone Tempestini:
https://www.facebook.com/rallymax/posts/pfbid0yzfJoRxP8qiGxkbzVLCQ1NJDqBWn5dP4xqnh2tDjSwit mnqZuMVc7tAsjgWeqDAKl

saco0o

29th August 2024, 22:21

This could be Hayden Paddon's last rally (in Europe) !

https://dirtfish.com/rally/erc/rali-ceredigion-could-be-paddons-last-rally-in-europe/

ahhh thats sad. tho new zealand championship has a pretty good decent highlight coverage on YouTube. i have been following him over that series too so everything is going to be fine. it would be even better if he were to try the aussie championship. If they could get bates, paddon and vangisbergen to do the full season, thaaat would be a year to follow (also on yt!). put molly taylor on a Ap4 top and i'd honestly shift 100% from wrc to that

Steve Boyd

30th August 2024, 00:06

For followers of the ERC you should be aware that Rali Ceredigion counts as two rounds of the BRC - the Fri/Sat stages for Rd5 and the Sunday stages for Rd6.

This may explain the approach the BRC drivers take to the event to stay in contention for scoring points on both days. Also some drivers are playing their 'Joker' for one of the Rounds, which can score up to 5 extra points.It only counts as a single round of the British National Asphalt Championship though - despite the National Rally following the same itinerary as the International event.

Sal yet again

30th August 2024, 08:25

Have a great time out on the stages those who are venturing out this weekend. Thanks to those who sent me information however due to a number of reasons what was always going to be a late in the day decision to go or not was made for me by other parties!

Shame not to be able to see Paddon one last time if his plans are to not come back to Europe however hope there is a big battle and that the event can build on this year which will result in more ERC crews in future.

J4MIE

30th August 2024, 08:44

Jason Pritchard & Elliot Payne have withdrawn.
Pritchard i think is having issues registering his new Yaris.

Fast Eddie WRC

30th August 2024, 10:17

The ERC regulars show their speed on the Qualifying stage...

https://m.rally-base.com/2024/jds-machinery-rali-ceredigion-2024/

Jarek Z

30th August 2024, 10:18

Jason Pritchard & Elliot Payne have withdrawn.
Pritchard i think is having issues registering his new Yaris.

Pryce's car new livery was designed by a 12-year-old boy. He will also focus on the British championship points:
https://www.fiaerc.com/a/news/w28522_Welsh-ERC-star-gets-a-new-look-but-will-the-Pryce-be-right-again

Sal yet again

30th August 2024, 12:51

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6xelvve97o

Coverage so far on the BBC has been positive! Guessing the local news service may have a camera or to out over the weekend.

saco0o

30th August 2024, 13:43

Fast Eddie WRC

30th August 2024, 14:11

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6xelvve97o

Coverage so far on the BBC has been positive! Guessing the local news service may have a camera or to out over the weekend.

Some BBC coverage is always good. But what does the 30 years part mean... since a Welsh rally was in the ERC ?

Sal yet again

30th August 2024, 14:23

The Rally of Wales was on the 1994 ERC calendar Was on the same weekend as Gran Canaria and 3 or 4 other rounds so guess that slipped us all by!

Sal yet again

30th August 2024, 14:28

creighton and cronin are the guys fighting with ingram for the british title, right? pryce not so much, if i remember correctly. thats going to be a cool 'second' fight to watch - after paddon / franceschi (not sure marczyk can do anything right now. he would have to win these 2 rounds with paddon and franceschi basically not scoring points)
interesting rally ahead! nice

btw (random thoughts) these roads are so beautiful. do you fellas follow those "king of the roads" races? (ullster, cookstown, 'north west' 200), its like superbikes racing on that type of road. its sooo much more intense than motogp, for example.
incredible stuff. i should follow it more closely

Irish road racing and the TT/Manx GP are a league apart from circuit motorcycle racing but we only have Olivers Mount in Nth Yorkshire and a park in Wales at the moment that are similar on the UK mainland. I follow as my dad was a biker so its in the blood sort of but just watching the races scares me senseless!

saco0o

30th August 2024, 16:21

the event's facebook page was live doing those driver/cars intro and quick interviews. maybe theres some content coming from them during the week? https://www.facebook.com/RaliCeredigion

British Championship's facebook page also doing some livestreams
https://www.facebook.com/BRCrally

saco0o

30th August 2024, 17:20

Morte66

30th August 2024, 17:29

Well, it's strange watching the SSS. I was in Aberystwyth a couple of years ago and I stayed just up the road from the finish line. I've walked at least half the stage. I had no idea it was a rally stage I was walking on...

the sniper

30th August 2024, 18:11

BRC seems to do a lot of livestreams during the championship rounds on facebook, but NOT on youtube.
i always thought facebook was a dead place, but these last two years i've been finding more and more decent stuff over there, especially related to motorsport broadcast and livestreams. youtube weirdly losing this battle

A lot of older people still regularly use Facebook, rallying in the UK is predominantly followed by older people... I have a small UK rallying YouTube channel, the analytics show the audience has been 85% age 45+ over the last year year. 35% was 55 to 64, 40% was 65+. You do see plenty of younger people out spectating on the stages still though.

J4MIE

30th August 2024, 19:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6xelvve97o

Coverage so far on the BBC has been positive! Guessing the local news service may have a camera or to out over the weekend.

The ERC gets to choose what they film and where from. Nobody else is allowed around these areas, and definitely not to broadcast anything. Some of the protyre championship crews who have chosen to do the international event aren’t getting any coverage at all

If you want anything of the ERC, you have to pay the promotors for their footage. And it’s not cheap.

Fast Eddie WRC

30th August 2024, 21:52

Special Stage are giving the Asphalt Championship guys the coverage...

https://www.youtube.com/live/PfjhdFelAvI?si=N-5iC1yjJ-pfBT0f

J4MIE

30th August 2024, 21:57

Special Stage are giving the Asphalt Championship guys the coverage...

https://www.youtube.com/live/PfjhdFelAvI?si=N-5iC1yjJ-pfBT0f

Only if they’re not doing the international event.
I have filmed for Special Stage in the past so know a lot more than I’m allowed to let on ;)

Morte66

31st August 2024, 07:22

So can anybody tell me: who is James Williams, and where can I buy her records?

Morte66

31st August 2024, 08:19

So can anybody tell me: who is James Williams, and where can I buy her records?

And he's rolled. Me and my big mouth.

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 08:22

Hero to zero... what a shame for the local guy. :(

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 08:24

What a time by Paddon on SS4... in a different class.

AndyRAC

31st August 2024, 08:28

BRC seems to do a lot of livestreams during the championship rounds on facebook, but NOT on youtube.
i always thought facebook was a dead place, but these last two years i've been finding more and more decent stuff over there, especially related to motorsport broadcast and livestreams. youtube weirdly losing this battle (at least for stuff im interested. even some premier league and nba games were broadcasted there last year on some 'russian pages' hehe).

tho the BRC fellas cannot show what RallyTV is showing right now. they cannot interview ERC drivers only BRC guys.

BRC only on Facebook is really annoying; I watch loads of motorsport on YouTube, whether IMSA, Fanatec GT, VLN/ NLS, British Hillclimbs, BTCC qualifying, etc But the people who follow rallying in the UK think it's the place to go.....
Still don't know why they can't put it on You Tube.......Special Stage have their coverage on both.

ShiftyLV

31st August 2024, 08:53

I'm usually rooting for the underdogs - Franceschi, Tempestini or whoever happens to be the one fighting with Paddon but I hope Hayden takes this one. Going to miss him next year...

31st August 2024, 09:49

'Here's a big jump coming up here now'...

*cuts to car stationary on startline*

Morte66

31st August 2024, 09:59

'Here's a big jump coming up here now'...

*cuts to car stationary on startline*

Yep.

31st August 2024, 10:12

These stages look really tricky; narrow, dirty, compressions. Looks fun though!

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 10:38

An excellent first loop by Chris Ingram to be 2nd overall and leading the BRC contenders. This is especially so as it's his first tarmac event in the Yaris.

Nice to see his MEM teammate Meirion Evans put in a great time on the last stage. His experience on similar roads on the Irish Championships must be helping.

486

31st August 2024, 11:59

From the distance, by the stage times looks like, here, knowledge of the field, through previous participations, is essential to be in the top, either due to pure driving tactics or due to chassis set-up, including tyre choice. What do you think?

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 12:20

Seems nominal times given for Evans, Pryce and Devine on SS4 were very generous.

486

31st August 2024, 12:42

Even better time from Paddon in the 2nd pass through Brechfa stage...... improving his awesome first pass.

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 12:43

'Seriously fast' says Paddon after SS7... no kidding, the onboard is amazing.

saco0o

31st August 2024, 13:03

mcrae behind the two swedish fellas in his class, not good for the jr title race

saco0o

31st August 2024, 13:09

mate some of the national cars are so beautiful. love the escorts and those weird cars, guess they are doing the asphalt league only? nice.

WRCStan

31st August 2024, 13:28

saco0o

31st August 2024, 14:09

the winner of this event is this guys: https://www.darrian.co.uk/
what an awesome car haha jeez

ShiftyLV

31st August 2024, 14:14

All those miles of moorland with world class viewing and people gather where they can see the roof of a car through a hairpin for 5 seconds because there's a burger van. I dunno about this.

Anyway, who's on Comms with Becs?

Tom Cave.

btw Ingram's Castrol livery brings back some memories. I wish Toyota's WRC factory team cars would look like this....

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 14:20

Paddon is walking the ERC here.

But its game on in the BRC with Cronin taking Ingram's lead down to 15s for the Round 5 victory.

Morte66

31st August 2024, 14:26

I don't think Paddon will win the ERC championship without going to Silesia, but he's certainly in a very good position.

Morte66

31st August 2024, 14:36

'Seriously fast' says Paddon after SS7... no kidding, the onboard is amazing.

If WRC2 did end up as the top class, and this is what we could expect from WRC1 drivers, I'd watch that.

J4MIE

31st August 2024, 14:40

mate some of the national cars are so beautiful. love the escorts and those weird cars, guess they are doing the asphalt league only? nice.

Yes most of them are doing the national asphalt championship, they are fairly common on all events here. A lot of Escorts on gravel too.

J4MIE

31st August 2024, 14:43

testing

saco0o

31st August 2024, 14:59

Creighton spin on the BRC "Fan Cam" thing
https://web.facebook.com/watch/?v=520547603994016

Jarek Z

31st August 2024, 15:26

7 out of 7 stages won? What a knock out performance from Hayden Paddon! Franceschi has no chance...

Jarek Z

31st August 2024, 15:34

mcrae behind the two swedish fellas in his class, not good for the jr title race

Yes, the Swedish guys are super fast. One of them is even faster than some Rally3 cars. McRae can't keep the pace of them.

Morte66

31st August 2024, 16:04

Damn shame for Tempestini

saco0o

31st August 2024, 16:10

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 16:51

do you fellas think ingram is "Rally1" material? i like his character A LOT and his erc title was my favorite rally season ever, but i always see people pointing that hes not that good of a driver. with just a few rally wins in those situations "well, he was the only R5 car on that event". thoughts?

I've been a big supporter of Ingram for many years (including crowdfunding twice) and also have his 2019 ERC win as my favourite rally moment.

For me his personality was a big factor as well as being a proud Englishman. The problem has always been finances. Despite many attempts at WRC2 Championships the money has never been enough to complete or to allow sufficient testing. His speed was always limited by the fact that any crash would end his season or even his career. He therefore drove within himself and didnt crash for 4 years !

Now he seems to have enough backing at least for a full BRC season and is taking the opportunity well so far.

31st August 2024, 17:02

Amazing performance by Paddon today, he fully deserves this championship not only for this but because he is performing way is excess of what that car is normally capable of.

Good fightback by Franceschi on the final proper stage of the day, not unfeasible he could reach second by the end of the rally.

saco0o

31st August 2024, 17:18

good win for Ingram in the BRC! Creigthon finished way behind, right? good points!

TypeR

31st August 2024, 17:55

,,i20 rally2 is crap and that guy is old...''

Paddon: ,,hold my beer..''
Having 9 out of 10 stages in his pocket after Saturday..

Fast Eddie WRC

31st August 2024, 18:44

Paddon was development testing the i20 Rally2 in Spain quite recently. I dont think the car is a bad as some think and certainly not on this rally evidence.

dodge33cymru

31st August 2024, 19:15

Bit of a schooling for the locals on this event! Behind Paddon, entertaining position battles and all impressively close though.

Drove back over the Hafod stage today and that looks like it could be a fun one, very different characters from today's stages with sections of bigger, wider roads.

Paddon was development testing the i20 Rally2 in Spain quite recently. I dont think the car is a bad as some think and certainly not on this rally evidence.

Especially as the only car to beat him on a stage was the other Hyundai...

I suspect it's a commercial thing for Hyundai though, they don't see it as a big enough revenue generator for the effort/cost. Sad days though, C3s and Polos are already rare, soon may just be Skodas, Toyotas and Fords. Hopefully Stellantis keeps their hand in the Rally2 market a bit longer.

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 07:34

Gutted for Ingram, that was a strange crash.

486

1st September 2024, 08:11

Gutted for Ingram, that was a strange crash.

Here: https://x.com/fiaerc/status/1830156382672216160?s=46

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 08:24

More drama with Cronin also out on the last stage and now Allen off too !

erikli2

1st September 2024, 08:42

Ingrams crash from spectator view:

https://www.facebook.com/share/uMRyT9NaQVm4wBaZ/

Eli

1st September 2024, 08:45

Gotta say, been catching it on & off this weekend, first of all, beautiful Wales! Absolutely stunning, just the greenery is a joy to look at. The stages themselves seem quite nice & tricky…really hope it’ll be in the WRC until 2027.
Regarding Paddon, shame, real shame, one of those drivers that I think, what could’ve been…great driver, great to watch, nice character.. real shame we don’t see him driving in Rally1 Machinery.

WRCStan

1st September 2024, 09:07

Gotta say, been catching it on & off this weekend, first of all, beautiful Wales! Absolutely stunning, just the greenery is a joy to look at.

I'm glad someone neutral said it. I can't help but think this is obvious, but I recognise the roads.

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 09:11

Here: https://x.com/fiaerc/status/1830156382672216160?s=46

What a weird accident indeed! Something wrong with the brakes?

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 09:15

7 out of 7 stages won? What a knock out performance from Hayden Paddon! Franceschi has no chance...

Apologies. I didn't notice one stage was won by someone else. So it was 9 out of 10 for Paddon yesterday!

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 09:19

Allen's accident:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1030253418308316

WRCStan

1st September 2024, 09:29

What a weird accident indeed! Something wrong with the brakes?

Too stiff at the rear to my untrained eye.

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 09:30

Ingram's crash from outside...

https://www.facebook.com/100068103811491/posts/831356895811097/

WRCStan

1st September 2024, 09:35

Allen's accident:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1030253418308316

Probably the least of anyone's worries but do they get penalised if they leave a wheel at the roadside, even if it's mostly destroyed?

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 09:44

Day 2 Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgQn2pEqqqY

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 09:58

Now also ERC3 leader Eamonn Kelly rolled. Jakub Matulka from Poland is the new leader.

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Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 10:09

After a few 2nd best times it was nice to see a stage win for Jon Armstrong in the M-Sport Fiesta.

It would've been good to see where he'd be overall without the puncture yesterday.

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 10:28

do you fellas think ingram is "Rally1" material? i like his character A LOT and his erc title was my favorite rally season ever, but i always see people pointing that hes not that good of a driver. with just a few rally wins in those situations "well, he was the only R5 car on that event". thoughts?

I like Ingram's character, attitude and drive a lot either, but if he strugles even to win British championship, how can he dream about a Rally1 drive? Fourmaux won this championship without any problems last year...

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archie106

1st September 2024, 10:30

Hafod is now pretty wet, second loop should be interesting! Looks like Bethania will have some rain too

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 12:15

I like Ingram's character, attitude and drive a lot either, but if he strugles even to win British championship, how can he dream about a Rally1 drive? Fourmaux won this championship without any problems last year...

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To be fair, Fourmaux had virtually no competition in BRC 2023.

Ingram has a lot of strong competition this year and he's also won 3 events so far, the others have only won 1 apiece.

saco0o

1st September 2024, 12:29

ohhh maaaan, just woke up (south american here) to see ingram has crashed out. thats aaahhh nooo, crap :( what a bummer.
tnx for sharing the FB link haha woke up to discover that twitter is now blocked in Brasil. cant see links haha. the supreme court is fighting elon musk over something, now we have no twitter and starlink internet on the rain forest. 9k dolars fine if u use vpn. jeeez

saco0o

1st September 2024, 12:31

I like Ingram's character, attitude and drive a lot either, but if he strugles even to win British championship, how can he dream about a Rally1 drive? Fourmaux won this championship without any problems last year...

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if msport had a bigger budget, it would cool if they always gave the british champion a few events in rally1, eh!

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 12:45

if msport had a bigger budget, it would cool if they always gave the british champion a few events in rally1, eh!

Funny enough that's what 3x BRC Champ Matt Edwards and Tom Cave were discussing last week... ie. there's no prize whatsoever for winning the BRC.

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 13:04

mcrae behind the two swedish fellas in his class, not good for the jr title race

McRae wins Junior ERC round? Something happened with Johansson?

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 13:05

A great performance by Jon Armstrong. I think he would've been 2nd overall without losing that minute with a puncture yesterday.

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 13:06

Too stiff at the rear to my untrained eye.

Phillip Allen talks about it after SS13:
"I put her into the bank and had to reverse! That corner that caught Ingram out is glass! That is extremely slippery. If anyone is listening, watch Ingram's corner. It is ice."

Morte66

1st September 2024, 14:02

Do I have this right?

I think Franceschi gets 21 points for 3rd overall + 1 for 5th in the PS, bringing him to 104 for the season to date.

Paddon gets 30+5 bringing him to 131.

If they both drop their lowest score, Paddon would (so far) drop 7 and Franceschi 0.

So I reckon Franceschi needs to beat Paddon by 21 points in Silesia to overtake him, assuming Paddon gets at least 7.

I am not at all confident about this maths.

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 14:33

I am not at all confident about this maths.

I think you are right. My calculations are the same.

With one exception - how many points Paddon will have to drop is not known yet. It will be known after Rally Silesia.
Drivers count their best seven scores from a possible eight. Details here:
https://www.fiaerc.com/more/information/about-erc

saco0o

1st September 2024, 14:51

mcrae woooon!!! ffff yeaaah man! good. good! gotta catch up with the swedish fellas! good one!

saco0o

1st September 2024, 14:57

I am not at all confident about this maths.

if paddon doesnt race in polska, his drop results is 0. mathieu will have to fight hard. i doubt miko marczyk (or other local? is sjeza entering?) will not win that last round

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 15:00

saco0o

1st September 2024, 15:07

kohn is erc3 champ and johansson is both erc4 and erc-jr champ
ahhhhhh crap. max win is good but he cannot get the title anymore
maan what a crap day for my favorites. max lost a title, ingram crashed out, armstrong dsq! aaaaaaaaaah

saco0o

1st September 2024, 15:10

British Rally Championship @BRCrally

BREAKING...

Jon Armstrong and Eoin Treacy have checked in late into the podium control meaning they will drop to second in the BRC and not dent their ERC finish.
This provisionally promotes stablemates William Creighton and Liam Regan to the BRC Round 6 win - their first outright BRC win - and more importantly, gives them a stronger position in the BRC points standings.

WAIT... was that team order??

aaaaaaaa just saw that! wtffff. thats bad for ingram in the brc haha man what a disaster.
what does "dent" means? is he losing his erc finish? dont know that word and in my language it translated to something like "mass" haha

Fast Eddie WRC

1st September 2024, 17:00

WAIT... was that team order??

aaaaaaaa just saw that! wtffff. thats bad for ingram in the brc haha man what a disaster.
what does "dent" means? is he losing his erc finish? dont know that word and in my language it translated to something like "mass" haha

Armstrong was brought in to the M-Sport team to score points for the Teams title. So a team order, yes.

Letting Creighton win Rd6 of the BRC didnt dent (harm) Armstrong's ERC position.

Jarek Z

1st September 2024, 18:41

Day 3 Highlights (current standings can be found at the end of the video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66frux-RDy8

WRCStan

1st September 2024, 20:54

WAIT... was that team order??

aaaaaaaa just saw that! wtffff. thats bad for ingram in the brc haha man what a disaster.
what does "dent" means? is he losing his erc finish? dont know that word and in my language it translated to something like "mass" haha

If you punch an empty can of pepsi, you put a dent in it.

It's funny because the Ingram family and M-Sport might have a bit of a spat going on.... There's no point sharing Twitter links with you if you can't see them. Sorry about that pal!

saco0o

1st September 2024, 20:56

If you punch an empty can of pepsi, you put a dent in it.

It's funny because the Ingram family and M-Sport might have a bit of a spat going on.... There's no point sharing Twitter links with you if you can't see them. Sorry about that pal!

hahaha ahhh, you gotta give me the "highlights" of that during the week, once the talk between them settles haha
cheers mate

saco0o

1st September 2024, 21:08

"BRC Standings:

Creighton 96
Ingram 95
Pryce 78
Cronin 75
It goes to the Cambrian… #BRC #BRCRally"

Fast Eddie WRC

2nd September 2024, 08:40

If you punch an empty can of pepsi, you put a dent in it.

It's funny because the Ingram family and M-Sport might have a bit of a spat going on.... There's no point sharing Twitter links with you if you can't see them. Sorry about that pal!

You can share fot the rest of us... what's been said ? I guess they're not too happy with M-Sport for allowing Creighton the win.

Dimitris

2nd September 2024, 09:29

Yes, and Jon is back at it on his little alt account

Fast Eddie WRC

2nd September 2024, 10:53

I'm an M-Sport fan, but parachuting in Jon Armstrong to score the BRC Teams points was already rather petty in their battle with the Castrol MEM Team.

Dimitris

2nd September 2024, 11:31

I think the Ingrams are a lot pettier.

Sal yet again

2nd September 2024, 12:35

Fast Eddie WRC

2nd September 2024, 13:25

What was the feedback regards the event? Did the Europeans like the roads and has there been much kickback re the cancelled/red flagged stages? Seems to be an issue with UK closed roads although obviously not as unfortunate as the NW Stages earlier this year. Looking enviously at some of the footage on YT over the weekend and seeing where people could get access to will certainly be on my agenda for 2025.

I didnt hear a bad word about anything. The stages seemed to get re-started fairly quickly after crashes and there were no issues with fans.

Many of the International drivers were highly complimentary about the roads, the organisation and even the scenery.

One said: "I am a big fan, I have to say. The people are lovely too and seem to have a heart for rallying. It's a privilege to drive on these incredible roads. I've never seen anything like it if I'm being honest."

Jarek Z

2nd September 2024, 13:42

Obviously a good event for photographers :)

https://cdn-2.motorsport.com/images/amp/YpNMnlN0/s1000/mikolaj-marczyk-szymon-gospoda.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/01WL5yZY/s1000/mikolaj-marczyk-szymon-gospoda.webp
https://cdn-2.motorsport.com/images/amp/2jX1zPb6/s1000/hayden-paddon-john-kennard-hyu.webp

Jarek Z

2nd September 2024, 13:57

Full event highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLFcdYFOD8

the sniper

2nd September 2024, 17:45

I think the Ingrams are a lot pettier.

I've resisted saying anything, but it isn't just internet trolling. Jon was out on the stages on Saturday telling random spectators that Paddon will/should be investigated, hasn't shown this form all season, had just got back from Italy with a special engine upgrade... It was comical to hear of this kind of mixture of old school rallying tittle-tattle and real life internet trolling in person, actually coming from someone who's reputation proceeds them, but also quite odd! I don't think he's doing Chris any favours in this regard, really. Rallying is a very small bubble...

Dimitris

2nd September 2024, 17:54

I've resisted saying anything, but it isn't just internet trolling. Jon was out on the stages on Saturday telling random spectators that Paddon will/should be investigated, hasn't shown this form all season, had just got back from Italy with a special engine upgrade... It was comical to hear of this kind of mixture of old school rallying tittle-tattle and real life internet trolling in person, actually coming from someone who's reputation proceeds them, but also quite odd! I don't think he's doing Chris any favours in this regard, really. Rallying is a very small bubble...

Somehow, this doesn't surprise me. Everyone knows what he's been doing with his alt account, even Milliner and the Head of the WRC Promoter has commented on his post once. He has even given away his phone number to someone. As you said, the rallying world is small, and I am sure it's not doing him any favours at all. His and his dads behaviour on social media would be a big turn off for me

saco0o

2nd September 2024, 21:19

so cool reading that stuff. never heard anything about that haha humans are weird, eh. give erc a netflix show NOW! haha jk

Jarek Z

3rd September 2024, 14:44

Three best drivers in ERC on a walk, wondering - who will grab the title in Silesia? ;)
https://rajdslaska.pl/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Marczyk_Paddon_Franceschi_fot_Red_Bull.jpg

Fast Eddie WRC

4th September 2024, 09:10

I'm an M-Sport fan, but parachuting in Jon Armstrong to score the BRC Teams points was already rather petty in their battle with the Castrol MEM Team.

I realised the reason for this and it does make sense. M-Sport had Max McRae as one of their BRC Rally2 drivers this season, but he is also doing the ERC Junior Ch'ship and that took priority in Rali Ceredigion.

Also Jon Armstrong was already doing the event as an ERC entry, so it made sense to register him for the BRC as the second M-Sport driver.

The fact he was told to drop time to allow Creighton the win on BRC Rd6 was also fine as any other team would do the same.

Mirek

4th September 2024, 17:31

Guys, how was the rally? I spent five days in the mountains and din't follow it at all. Did you enjoy?

saco0o

4th September 2024, 19:50

Guys, how was the rally? I spent five days in the mountains and din't follow it at all. Did you enjoy?

it was pretty good but the coolest part (imo) was that it was mixed with TWO rounds of the British Championship (rd5 on fri-sat, rd6 on sunday). paddon was a dominating force in ERC, won basically all the stages, one hand in the title. ingram won rd.5 of the BRC, which was cool (i cheer for this fella!), but he crashed out on sunday. (i think he was P3 in ERC?) there was some drama on sunday with msport doing some team orders (Armstrong/Creighton) to help his driver in the british championship (against Ingram).
the british championship fb page was covering parts of their event, loads of cool cars and fun characters, friendly people chatting a lot on the live chat. 10/10 for me.

the sniper

4th September 2024, 23:55

Guys, how was the rally? I spent five days in the mountains and din't follow it at all. Did you enjoy?

I only watched the Saturday stage side, but I thought the entry was actually pretty good. Nice to see a good number of quickly driven Rally4 over here too.

I'd say of this event, I think it's really good for what it is, particularly the efforts & aspirations of the organisers and quality of the route/roads for competitors, but it does pain me a little that with a very similar route, you could have a hell of a gravel rally... The route literally passes so many classic forest stages. As I was stood up on Nant-y-Moch in a nice enough spot, I couldn't help but look across at the gravel track out of Taliesin forest, not a forest that has been used during my time following the sport, but I've walked it and could think of a dozen corners where I'd love to spectate in there. I've also read/heard the stories from a corner that you could see from the end of Nant-y-Moch...

I appreciate this is a wider subject, but with modern rally cars, I really think you need to be in a really good spot on a normal tarmac stage (non-SSS/City showcase stage), outside of the WRC, for the sport to come across as a real spectacle. Whereas on gravel, pretty much any corner can offer something. In the case of Rali Ceredigion, or many of the new breed of UK tarmac rallies, I don't buy into the idea that most of these stages are any more accessible or visible to the public than forest stages. The stage in Aberystwyth is exactly what is needed on many UK rallies, but you could have included that on a gravel rally too. On gravel suspension/tyres, it'd probably be even more of a show for the public, as much as some competitors wouldn't want it.

Every spectator I spoke to about this thought the same, it just isn't up there with gravel rallying in terms of spectacle. I can totally see the appeal for competitors though, I could see myself entering in the future. If you don't consider the wider picture, I appreciate that's what many will consider is all that matters.

Fast Eddie WRC

5th September 2024, 10:16

Guys, how was the rally? I spent five days in the mountains and din't follow it at all. Did you enjoy?

I loved it and the RallyTV coverage with being in the ERC really showed the rally and scenery to great effect.

Watching the many fan videos really showed how many supporters were out there and the popularity the sport still has in the UK.

Plus you could hear the fans reaction to the speed of the Rally2 cars and their ability on these amazing, challenging mountain roads.

Mirek

5th September 2024, 11:08

Watched the onboard from Armstrong's stage win and what a stage. I love it.

Fast Eddie WRC

5th September 2024, 12:15

I've not seen this YT channel before but the guy does a good summary of the event from all angles:

https://youtu.be/surAi4RSbaA?si=BFfK7Gy6aWYFGV2n

saco0o

5th September 2024, 16:49

good channel!

it made me think about erc "news" and journalists.. i REALLY like (and rather) the way this forum is a collective effort to bring these erc news, especially because they normally comes from the drivers/team themselves instead of a journalist, but I wonder if is there any proper erc news coverage site/channel out there

Jarek Z

9th September 2024, 09:45

archie106

9th September 2024, 10:24

Impressive job, first rally in a Rally3 car with no testing or pre-rally prep!

Hats off to him.

Steve Boyd

9th September 2024, 23:36

Guys, look at this story. It reminds us that we never know our own future. Maybe one day, one of us will also receive such phone call during breakfast? ;)
https://www.fiaerc.com/a/news/w28616_From-the-breakfast-table-to-the-ERC3-podium-for-Chorbi-ski

I got a late phone call for The Circuit of Ireland Rally in 1980 with only 2 hours notice to get the ferry - but only as a mechanic :(