[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2024

[Tauri_J]

And himself

Golden boy crashed, guess he was over the limit this morning

[trykmann]

It seems when Kalle has to actually drive on the limit, then mistakes start to happen. In 2022 the car was just so much better.

[CeskyOndra]

I know that this year isnt that rough as previous years, but cmon, It is portugal, something must happen. Only Evans had a puncture

hahahhaha..

[meh]

From the driver's championship point of view, Tänak does not need to fight with Ogier and can back off.

[CeskyOndra]

From the driver's championship point of view, Tänak does not need to fight with Ogier and can back off.

3 points are quite important for Tanak. If Neuville goes to third, he will be just 2 points behind which is not enough for Tanak

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crazy tricky stage but nice to see Fourmaux making no mistakes and going 3rd fastest.

[EstWRC]

3 points are quite important for Tanak. If Neuville goes to third, he will be just 2 points behind which is not enough for Tanak

True but to risk to fight with Ogier and loose it all?

The gap is already too big between him and Thierry. Better to close it by couple points than to let it grow over 40 points already

[meh]

3 points are quite important for Tanak. If Neuville goes to third, he will be just 2 points behind which is not enough for Tanak

It depends on the price and how much risks must be taken.

For Neuville, at the moment there is also a question, of how much he damaged the front of the car and there are 37km + 16km stages to go.

[Eli]

True but to risk to fight with Ogier and loose it all?

The gap is already too big between him and Thierry. Better to close it by couple points than to let it grow over 40 points already

And with Fourmaux 6th he can close the gap and even take his 3rd position.

[trykmann]

Tänak probably keeps the pressure, but at the same time not being stupid.

[CeskyOndra]

It depends on the price and how much risks must be taken.

For Neuville, at the moment there is also a question, of how much he damaged the front of the car and there are 37km + 16km stages to go.

Main problem for Neuville is no spares.

[TypeR]

Good stage end interview from Meeke :D

[meh]

Good stage end interview from Meeke :D

Which basically said that the Hyundai Rally2 car is crap compared to Skoda

[EstWRC]

Neuville moment.

https://x.com/wrcrtp/status/1789216080528912512?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[mknight]

Rovanpera crash reminds me of the one he had in Finland last year.

[rp]

It would be better to be at home and do only drifting if you are not fully concentrated and interested to rallying.

[meh]

It would be better to be at home and do only drifting if you are not fully concentrated and interested to rallying.

Mistakes happen in rallying, no point in jumping to conclusions.

[AndersX]

Kalles crash makes to think that it requires special approach and maturity to tackle those part-time rallies - the speed at the top is so high that you must breath it day in day out to be able to push on that level. When you are in and out of the car, typ chill mode, those small marginal lines become much thiner, thus mistakes creap in. Kalles track record in 2024 shows it.

[er88]

Wonder how big a push Neuville, Tanak and Ogier go for on this long stage

[rp]

Mistakes happen in rallying, no point in jumping to conclusions.

Yes it is. Three events this year and already two accidents. No way that everything is ok with Kalle. He was too tired of rallying at the enf of the last year and still was forced to continue part time. Stupid by Toyota and his manager to allow this happen. WRC should be the professional sport.

[Rallyper]

Yes it is. Three events this year and already two accidents. No way that everything is ok with Kalle. He was too tired of rallying at the enf of the last year and still was forced to continue part time. Stupid by Toyota and his manager to allow this happen. WRC should be the professional sport.

Agree.

[er88]

Munster gonna kill Evans, why didn't he just wait until Evans passed before he rejoined the stage???

[meh]

I agree, that the approach is different. With a part-time drive for the rally, you take all-or-nothing for the win. Guys like Rovanperä and Ogier do not come for a rally to collect points or take part - the only thing they care about is the win.

From that perspective, yes, it may be a questionable decision to put them both to one rally.. but, what do they lose doing so?

[meh]

From all-live: Katsuta stopped.

... but on the maps seems to move.

edit: they seems to be out of the car and moving around was problem with maps.

[er88]

Taka stopped. Carnage has finally arrived in the last two stages

[er88]

Tanak having a McRae-esque push on this stage. Absolutely dialled-in and blitzing everyone

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNSeyQkWsAAJvA5?format=jpg&name=medium

[meh]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNSeyQkWsAAJvA5?format=jpg&name=medium

Picnic for (ex-)leaders.

[EstWRC]

Damn. Taka gave a position to Neuville now

Meh

[Tauri_J]

We have a new leader

[meh]

Strong come-back at the end of the stage by Ogier, but Tänak to the lead with 0.2.

[er88]

What a last split by Seb

[Tauri_J]

Lol silly questions cmon Julien

[EstWRC]

The tires looked exactly the same for both to be honest with front left basically slick one

[er88]

Nice stage. Was this the stage where Meeke had that scary crash in the ShitroenC3 in 2018, that got him sacked?

[meh]

It can be, that Tänak overcooked his tires and this can be the reason why Ogier was (that) much better with the last split.

As Tänak says he can not drive as smoothly as he wants, it can be overusing his tires as a side effect.

So, we can find out during the next stage, can he keep earned seconds with the next stage or needs to pay interest there.

[Kras]

Toyota seems to do better in hairpin sections

[er88]

Lol silly questions cmon Julien

Is he drunk, lol

[denkimi]

So suddenly its only ogier stopping hyundai from a 1-2-3.

[eib1]

Rovanpera crash:

https://twitter.com/DiegoteSimracer/status/1789235753421074578?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR25c Cp01NYavTNpbV1NKngQGgIlarCY9lfuiHqFnhfQDAZv0tYSEow pl4I_aem_AQZuJUTRqixFMOXKjg9arbH5TXd5jU3CNSa7uOnoE PU91gsqP5bpWU9WscKS06Dm7wtpUtmYwpEKdCODpTjYwqBV

[Tauri_J]

Is he drunk, lol

Maybe he already got the memo about the netflix series to create fake drama between drivers like in f1.

[meh]

12 stages done. We did not have a position change in top3 only after SS7.

[dimviii]

Is he drunk, lol

i missed it,what did he asked?


Kalle off from outside
https://twitter.com/PauloAr23028946/status/1789231295769219571

[Eli]

Is he drunk, lol

Maybe high.

[Tauri_J]

Toyota seems to do better in hairpin sections

Makes sense, it has a shorter wheelbase.

[EstWRC]

Toyota seems to do better in hairpin sections

Yep. Noticed the same yesterday, especially if it’s downhill hairpins they gain a lot and the stage end was like that a little bit

[meh]

So suddenly its only ogier stopping hyundai from a 1-2-3.

Although correct as a fact, I would say "Ogier is the only one who can keep Toyota in the game".

[jonkka]

Makes sense, it has a shorter wheelbase.

I thought both Hyundai and Toyota have exactly the same, 2630 mm? Puma is 30 mm shorter.

[Tauri_J]

i missed it,what did he asked?


Kalle off from outside
https://twitter.com/PauloAr23028946/status/1789231295769219571


i missed it,what did he asked?


Kalle off from outside
https://twitter.com/PauloAr23028946/status/1789231295769219571

I cant even remember the exact wording but something like...are you now afraid that from all of the guys from WRC, Tänak is the one who is hunting you?

[denkimi]

Although correct as a fact, I would say "Ogier is the only one who can keep Toyota in the game".
I wonder if they would tell him to take it easy and secure manufacturer points.

[Tauri_J]

I thought both Hyundai and Toyota have exactly the same, 2630 mm? Puma is 30 mm shorter.

I just checked wikipedia lol. No idea how relevant it is

[meh]

I wonder if they would tell him to take it easy and secure manufacturer points.

I really doubt it. And even if they do, does Ogier care? He came for the win.

[meh]

But now, I hope nothing happens with Tänak or Ogier, otherwise this rally is done.

[dimviii]

McErlean 0.6 sec from Gryazin and podium

[denkimi]

I really doubt it. And even if they do, does Ogier care? He came for the win.
yes, but he's not the one in charge.

[Kras]

Rovanpera crash:

https://twitter.com/DiegoteSimracer/status/1789235753421074578?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR25c Cp01NYavTNpbV1NKngQGgIlarCY9lfuiHqFnhfQDAZv0tYSEow pl4I_aem_AQZuJUTRqixFMOXKjg9arbH5TXd5jU3CNSa7uOnoE PU91gsqP5bpWU9WscKS06Dm7wtpUtmYwpEKdCODpTjYwqBV

Far too often we've seen him get away with hitting banks and trees with his rear or dropping his rear wheel in a ditch. I guess you can only get lucky so many times

[meh]

I make a prediction - we will see a proper "I'm the King here" statement push from Ogier on this stage.

[Kras]

I make a prediction - we will see a proper "I'm the King here" statement push from Ogier on this stage.

IMO Theres a good chance that Tanak and Seb are gonna push eachother till one of them bins it

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Did Katsuta crash or did the car just break ?

[Kras]

Did Katsuta crash or did the car just break ?

Clipped a bank with his rear wheel. Exploded his suspension

[meh]

Thinking more about it - actually, Ogier probably does not care too much about the Saturday standings compared to Tänak. Tänak wants most of the points possible, Ogier wants the rally win. Those can be different things nowadays.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

IMO Theres a good chance that Tanak and Seb are gonna push eachother till one of them bins it

At this rate there's a chance of another Fourmaux podium !

E.
Good run on this stage too.

[meh]

Tänak losing time compared to Fourmaux, 2.1 down last split and Ogier faster than Tänak already in 3rd split, 4th split 3.8sec up.

Puncture I guess.. Will found out soon.

Rear right slow-puncture for long time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yep rear right.

[er88]

Mega stage this time from Seb

[EstWRC]

But now, I hope nothing happens with Tänak or Ogier, otherwise this rally is done.

Thanks for cursing it

[Tauri_J]

Ugh bad news, but he managed it really well.

[EstWRC]

Now it’s all over, everybody will cruise after the lunch

Only if something happens with someone

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ok Tanak now has to settle for 2nd.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Russell clipped the bank to cause his puncture, not just bad luck.

[denkimi]

13 seconds is not something that is impossble to make up, there's still 130km to go and anyone can get problems of flat tyres.

but i agree that setteling for 2nd would be the smart thing to do for tanak.

[meh]

If you watch so-called body language of Tänak, I think he is confident to fight back as he sees that he can fight. He does not have a "I'm completely lost" attitude and "I'm just cruising and collecting what others leave on the table". He has fight mode on.

At the same time, he made calculated decisions, like driving carefully with slow puncture to not damage the car. I think it's too early for the white flag yet, I think those decisions are made after the long one (SS16).

[Kras]

13 seconds is not something that is impossble to make up, there's still 130km to go and anyone can get problems of flat tyres.

but i agree that setteling for 2nd would be the smart thing to do for tanak.

They are talking about settling for 2nd on saturday, 15 points

[denkimi]

They are talking about settling for 2nd on saturday, 15 points
it's the same thing. If you want to catch up you have to start trying immediately.

[focus206]

Too many mistakes for Katsuta, especially when he's in a good position...
Neuville should settle for 3rd for today, should only push enough to keep Fourmaux behind.
Really not a good rally by Evans, but I guess there's not much to do after yesterday except bring it home, and he's already 6th thanks to retirements.
I expect Ott to still push for a couple of stages, before a decision to settle for 2nd.

[Mirek]

Too many mistakes for Katsuta, especially when he's in a good position...
Neuville should settle for 3rd for today, should only push enough to keep Fourmaux behind.
Really not a good rally by Evans, but I guess there's not much to do after yesterday except bring it home, and he's already 6th thanks to retirements.
I expect Ott to still push for a couple of stages, before a decision to settle for 2nd.

It's not over until it's over. Other punctures or issues may come. Yesterday night it also looked very different than now just four stages later.

[focus206]

It's not over until it's over. Other punctures or issues may come. Yesterday night it also looked very different than now just four stages later.

Of course, I'm just saying what I think their approach will be. Someone might bin it, Hyundai might fall apart etc. especially with the long stage incoming later.

[CeskyOndra]

Forecast for Amarante is a rain or a storm at 16 o clock.. It isnt lying, big clouds raising here.. So it is a chance of rain

[Tauri_J]

Lol Julien getting trolled by Seb

[EstWRC]

lol Ogier absolutely trolling with Porter

Ogier sounded super confident

[Kras]

Lol Julien getting trolled by Seb

My wrc+ crashed, what did he say?

[TypeR]

What are the spectators doing there.. Gus's car should be out very fast if pushing or swinging it..

[EstWRC]

My wrc+ crashed, what did he say?

You have to watch it. Really not explainable with words

[Tauri_J]

My wrc+ crashed, what did he say?

Hard to put it into words. He Was just asking about tyres and is he able to defend the 1st place. Ogier‘s answers were super cocky and he had a smug on his face the whole interview.

[meh]

Summary: Porter asked, as Ogier lost 3.2 to Tänak, is it was part of the strategy and Ogier answered something like "you will see during the loop".

Ogier also said that it was a lot of scooping here as the reason to lose time.

I can see others find it funny, but for some reason for me, Ogier's head-wobbling answers are a bit childish and moody. Questions are clearly provocative and he does not like them, so in a way, it's understandable, but I think he could just laugh those questions out.

[Sergiow]

Rossel at stop control of SS14 pretty much sums it up for WRC2: "This race is completely crazy."

[Kras]

Summary: Porter asked, as Ogier lost 3.2 to Tänak, is it was part of the strategy and Ogier answered something like "you will see during the loop".

Ogier also said that it was a lot of scooping here as the reason to lose time.

I can see others find it funny, but for some reason for me, Ogier's head-wobbling answers are a bit childish and moody. Questions are clearly provocative and he does not like them, so in a way, it's understandable, but I think he could just laugh those questions out.

Well, he did lose 25% of his lead in the first 12% of this loops kms. Maybe hes coping by making cocky comments

[Tauri_J]

Anyone has tyre info?

[Kras]

Anyone has tyre info?

4 softs, 2 hards taken by most drivers

[EstWRC]

Seems to me that Tänak really wants the win and doesn’t care

[meh]

Maybe Ogier is too low with the setup, again scooping a lot.

[Kras]

Tanak is in the zone. I didn't expect the afternoon to be this exciting

[meh]

Tanak is in the zone. I didn't expect the afternoon to be this exciting

Yes, that is was hinting with the "body language" comment previously, that he has the fight mode on.

But at the same time, let's not underestimate Ogier. He can keep tires in good shape and make a really good end of the loop.

[Kras]

Fourmaux improved so much. I can see him being a champion one day

[meh]

Fourmaux improved so much. I can see him being a champion one day

Agreed. Let's take into account that he is driving M-Sport non-factory Ford, which probably does not perform at the same level as Hyundai and Toyota.

[jonkka]

Agreed. Let's take into account that he is driving M-Sport non-factory Ford, which certainly does not perform at the same level as Hyundai and Toyota.

Fixed that for you.

[Kras]

Hall of fame stage end interviews today

[Kras]

Tanak made himself some slicks for the superspecial

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fixed that for you.

The Puma has improved too.

[EstWRC]

Nice fight from Tänak to get the 18 points but Ogier is just a little bit better

But the fight for the win still definitely continues tomorrow and today

[meh]

As expected, Tänak cooked his tires and Ogier took 4.1 from Tänak. One long + short more stage to go with those, so Tänak may lose more.

[Kras]

As expected, Tänak cooked his tires and Ogier took 4.1 from Tänak. One long + short more stage to go with those, so Tänak may lose more.

He only destroyed 2 tyres. I dont think the other 2 softs are too bad after being driven for 17km total

[dimviii]

Ogier did the same time as first loop,Tanak 6 sec slower from first loop(was winner of stage also)

[denkimi]

Nice fight from Tänak to get the 18 points but Ogier is just a little bit better

Well no. Tanak gained 5.8 seconds on ss14+15, and lost 4.1 on ss16. He still gained 1,7s on ogier.

[Tauri_J]

Well Tänak had some engine trouble, at least that what he said.

Engine kept pushing when he was off the throttle and couldnt really nurse the tyres

[Kras]

Well Tänak had some engine trouble, at least that what he said.

Engine kept pushing when he was off the throttle and couldnt really nurse the tyres

The infamous Hyundai MPI rev hang

[EstWRC]

Well Tänak had some engine trouble, at least that what he said.

Engine kept pushing when he was off the throttle and couldnt really nurse the tyres


Tänak Ott
Järveoja Martin
"For some reason the engine was pushing so hard this stage, so I was not able to protect the tyres so it was a difficult stage."

[CeskyOndra]

What a stage by Solans, faster by 5s than anyone else at the moment

[meh]

If there will be no extra drama then the excitement from today is gone - positions are settled.

[meh]

What a stage by Solans, faster by 5s than anyone else at the moment

Pajari comes with the same pace.

[CeskyOndra]

If there will be no extra drama then the excitement from today is gone - positions are settled.

Im excited even when positions are settled because Im scared all the time that someone will bin it.. But anyways, so far really exciting event again

[EstWRC]

If there will be no extra drama then the excitement from today is gone - positions are settled.

I’m hoping that Tänak gets the gap down to 8-9 seconds for tomorrow to keep the pressure on for Ogier cause you can see Ogier really wants that win.

[Eli]

I’m hoping that Tänak gets the gap down to 8-9 seconds for tomorrow to keep the pressure on for Ogier cause you can see Ogier really wants that win.

He’d break a record making it a 6th Portugal win.

[meh]

Haha, JML took interview from Meeke at the stage end :)

[meh]

I’m hoping that Tänak gets the gap down to 8-9 seconds for tomorrow to keep the pressure on for Ogier cause you can see Ogier really wants that win.

From the championship points point of view - if he wins tomorrow, it does not matter, he just needs to be fast(est) on tomorrow's separate standing.

[EstWRC]

Very nice stage times from Meeke after the lunch so far

[CeskyOndra]

I'm really keen to see Neuville-Tanak battle for Super Sunday tomorrow. Some of You will blame me, but I'm once again really excited for Sunday.. Kalle and Evans will be trying to fight hard too

[EstWRC]

I'm really keen to see Neuville-Tanak battle for Super Sunday tomorrow. Some of You will blame me, but I'm once again really excited for Sunday.. Kalle and Evans will be trying to fight hard too

I’m not blaming you, I’m as excited as well and don’t forget that the fight for the win may also continue tomorrow

[denkimi]

From the championship points point of view - if he wins tomorrow, it does not matter, he just needs to be fast(est) on tomorrow's separate standing.
Looking at it strategically, he could slow down now and give ogier some more space. Then ogier doesn't need to push tomorrow, and perhaps will take less points away.



I'm really keen to see Neuville-Tanak battle for Super Sunday tomorrow. Some of You will blame me, but I'm once again really excited for Sunday.. Kalle and Evans will be trying to fight hard too
Why would kalle fight hard? he came for the win and he can't do that anymore. He doesn't care about points.

[meh]

I’m not blaming you, I’m as excited as well and don’t forget that the fight for the win may also continue tomorrow

It would be interesting to know if Tänak cares about the win. Yes, it's a nice bonus, but it does not give any extra points.

[meh]

Tänak drives level with Fourmaux, so no big push anymore.

... or, big push but no tires :)

[EstWRC]

Good day from Tänak overall.

Great to see him back a little bit even when struggling with the car but still a long way to go to see the real Tänak

[meh]

Summary for the afternoon loop so far - Tänak got back from Ogier... 0.1sec.

[Kras]

Tanak has a nice 1 cushion between him and Neuville and is pretty close to Ogier. He can afford a puncture and not lose a place because of it and Ogier is just 1 spin away from losimg the lead.

All things considered, Tanak can be happy

[mknight]

I’m not blaming you, I’m as excited as well and don’t forget that the fight for the win may also continue tomorrow

Sorry, but you are just as bad as the RallyTV crew.
Talking about fight for "win" for tomorrow or about how dramatic it is that Fourmaux is now closed to Sordo.

I feel like they (and you) are watching a different rally. Points positions matter today and then it's start from scratch tomorrow. Overall is pointless (literally).

[meh]

Need to admit there, that without super-Sunday it could be cruising Sunday. What the reality will be, we will find out tomorrow.

[meh]

Sorry, but you are just as bad as the RallyTV crew.
Talking about fight for "win" for tomorrow or about how dramatic it is that Fourmaux is now closed to Sordo.

I feel like they (and you) are watching a different rally. Points positions matter today and then it's start from scratch tomorrow. Overall is pointless (literally).

Yes, people have not adapted to the new scoring logic. Is the new system good or bad, has been discussed many times and I don't want to open the topic here.

Drivers need to earn as many points as possible from the challenge they have. At the moment, one rally ends today, and tomorrow starts basically a new rally for a max of 7 points with a condition, that to earn points from Saturday, you need to finish also Sunday. So the reality is - overall place from the championship point of view does not matter.

[KKS]

And Meeke do Meeke things again...

[EstWRC]

I know the points position matter today. How stupid you think I am?

But there is also a overall rally winner and I’m still saying it’s not decided yet even Ogier has a pretty nice lead

I’m really sorry for sounding stupid about that then

[Backa]

Why would kalle fight hard? he came for the win and he can't do that anymore. He doesn't care about points.

He fought hard in Sweden to the end despite being 45th at the end of saturday.

[meh]

But there is also a overall rally winner and I’m still saying it’s not decided yet even Ogier has a pretty nice lead


Overall winner is just a title and fame, but does not give extra points. So it's all up to the priority - full-timers need points, part-timers probably wins and fame.

[meh]

Eem. What is the logic for this start-order? First Evans vs Munster with Rally1 and then Grayzin vs Rossel with Rally2...

[EstWRC]

Rossel pace this weekend has been a really nice surprise

Usually he is pretty lost on gravel

[KKS]

Eem. What is the logic for this start-order? First Evans vs Munster with Rally1 and then Grayzin vs Rossel with Rally2...
Probably aim was go full reverse for tv time. But timming not enough for full piars, so "last" pair go with rally1

[meh]

Another (potential) factor for start-order can be, that SS17 was stopped due Meeke's crash.

[Eli]

Rossel pace this weekend has been a really nice surprise

Usually he is pretty lost on gravel

I think the fact Grayzin joined the team helped them develop the car more on gravel so he’s starting to feel more & more confident in it. For next year it would be nice if we’d have Rossel-Grayzin-Østberg ;)

[mknight]

Overall winner is just a title and fame, but does not give extra points. So it's all up to the priority - full-timers need points, part-timers probably wins and fame.

Two aspects:

- "Fame" is only there if someone actually fights you. See Sweden where Fourmaux didn't really care he was 3rd overall in the end cause he got points for 2nd on Saturday.

- Imo the "winner" of a rally is now the one who ends with most points. So yes, for me Evans won Sweden, not Lappi. Thats just how the rules are at the moment.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stage win for Fourmaux. Another nice confidence boost for him and M-Sport.

[Sergiow]

In the provisional standings after today, Tanak now has jumped over Fourmeaux to the 3rd place in the championship. Ogier is still 5th but only 4 points down on Fourmeaux. If this trend is confirmed after tomorrow then at least Tanak and probably Ogier too will have less favorable starting positions for Sardegna which will raises the chances for Katsuta and Sordo.

[EstWRC]

Today overall https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/85530-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2024/?leg=2


Such a shame about that slow puncture for Tänak. They would be veery close without that with Ogier in overall

[WRC1]

In the provisional standings after today, Tanak now has jumped over Fourmeaux to the 3rd place in the championship. Ogier is still 5th but only 4 points down on Fourmeaux. If this trend is confirmed after tomorrow then at least Tanak and probably Ogier too will have less favorable starting positions for Sardegna which will raises the chances for Katsuta and Sordo.

Chance for Katsuta????? Hahahaha....how many Chances did he need? I like him really, he is a very nice guy....but winning a Rallye or even end up on Podium he simply dont have the Nerves, sorry.

[Eli]

In the provisional standings after today, Tanak now has jumped over Fourmeaux to the 3rd place in the championship. Ogier is still 5th but only 4 points down on Fourmeaux. If this trend is confirmed after tomorrow then at least Tanak and probably Ogier too will have less favorable starting positions for Sardegna which will raises the chances for Katsuta and Sordo.

Ogier won’t be competing in Sardegna, Kalle will however.

[rp]

Ogier won’t be competing in Sardegna, Kalle will however.

No

[EstWRC]

Ogier won’t be competing in Sardegna, Kalle will however.

It’s Ogier https://app-cdn.sportity.com/ac244374-b7d8-467c-a8c8-46f809267210/f58f598e-23f5-46d7-ac72-5d97d7c0924c_Entry%20List.pdf

Kalle doesn’t like Sardinia at all and has been pretty vocal about it

[TypeR]

aaand if all goes well then Ogier decides to go for 9th ;)

[CeskyOndra]

aaand if all goes well then Ogier decides to go for 9th ;)

Hope it is a joke.. No chance on fast rallies

[CeskyOndra]

I dont know if someone cares, but here is my prediction for Super Sunday:

1. Tanak
2. Neuville
3. Ogier
4. Rovanpera
5. Fourmaux
6. Evans
7. Sordo

[Eli]

No

Oops my bad, don’t know why I thought he’s going there.

[rp]

Hope it is a joke.. No chance on fast rallies

Of course he has and at least he is able to take good points, when other drivers keeps crashing.

[TypeR]

Hope it is a joke.. No chance on fast rallies
Ogier confirmed for Poland..

[Eli]

Ogier confirmed for Poland..

Which he won twice (2014 & 2015) I think.

[Eli]

Just now realised the top 3 is like they used to line up back in pre-covid days.

[EstWRC]

Just now realised the top 3 is like they used to line up back in pre-covid days.

Yep. Actually the fight today between Tänak and Ogier brought back memories from 2017-2019

[CeskyOndra]

Ogier confirmed for Poland..

Source?

[TypeR]

Source?
https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1788629003093397780

[rp]

Source?

Ogier said it himself (at 1:26):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YITTOkvU0ac

[CeskyOndra]

Oh thanks okey then maybe we will have 10 cars in Poland if Kalle decides to go here?!

[rp]

Oh thanks okey then maybe we will have 10 cars in Poland if Kalle decides to go here?!

Kalle is having a summer holiday

[CeskyOndra]

Kalle is having a summer holiday

And will he come back for Latvia? Without Kalle its gonna be difficult for Toyota

[WRC1]

1 min. penalty for Rossel (not fasten the seatbelt of codriver after mid stage tire change..)

[dimviii]

1 min. penalty for Rossel (not fasten the seatbelt of codriver after mid stage tire change..)

still 3rd after penalty

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240512/0a5e777e7d1e154728030d1a3c6b17a4.jpg

[meh]

Is Sordo in safe mode or in problem mode?

[jonkka]

Is Sordo in safe mode or in problem mode?

Difficult to say but at least his time loss is consistent.

[meh]

Sordo just backed off because of the fog.

[EstWRC]

Ogier trolling the full time drivers and going faster than them


Not the best pace from Tänak on the opening stage. You can’t give away these seconds and points against Neuville

[KKS]

Seems like Sordo couldn't see a road because of sea of messages from Cyril "slow down for Sunday"

[meh]

If Ogier is ahead of both (Neuville and Tänak), it does not matter from the drivers-title point of view. It only matters, if he is between them.

[Tauri_J]

What Ott said after the first stage? Cant find anywhere

He’s always weak when theres fog or low visibilty

[jonkka]

Still foggy

[Tauri_J]

Everybody probably knows fafe by heart

[meh]

Everybody probably knows fafe by heart

With this fog, they really need it :)

[dimviii]

What Ott said after the first stage? Cant find anywhere

SS19: Tänak Tänak off the pace of his Hyundai team-mate Neuville, 2.9sec down. Ogier appears to be up on the splits, as the Estonian looks set to lose more ground in the race for the rally lead. "Seb is quicker. Nothing I can do, I finished the stage already. Let's carry on. All OK." https://www.wrc.com/live-timing?menu=live_updates #WRC #WRCLive via @OfficialWRC

[denkimi]

I don't really understand why rovanpera even restarted when he just cruises. He can't win, he doesn't need the points and he doesn't drive fast to please the spectators. He could have just called it a day a gone home.

[meh]

I don't really understand why rovanpera even restarted when he just cruises. He can't win, he doesn't need the points and he doesn't drive fast to please the spectators. He could have just called it a day a gone home.

In case something happens with other Toyota, they still earn manu points. Also, they can earn them from the powerstage.

[Tauri_J]

I don't really understand why rovanpera even restarted when he just cruises. He can't win, he doesn't need the points and he doesn't drive fast to please the spectators. He could have just called it a day a gone home.

Its their job.

[EstWRC]

Mega first fafe from Tänak. the fog didn’t affect him so much on this one but of course they know this stage by heart compared to the first one which was new.

Haven’t seen such a committed face from Tänak for a long time from the onboard :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I don't really understand why rovanpera even restarted when he just cruises. He can't win, he doesn't need the points and he doesn't drive fast to please the spectators. He could have just called it a day a gone home.

"It's clear that today there is too much cleaning for us to drive for the day points. We're just saving the tyres for the Power Stage hence why we were a bit slow in there."

[Tauri_J]

Anybody else hate the new split system?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hybrid saving Evans.

[archie106]

Evans not going to score any Sunday points, just needs to get the car to the end now to take the 6 points and limit loss to Neuville

[Eli]

Hybrid saving Evans.

Just not his year, better luck for ‘25?
I’m aware there are still 8 events to go but I don’t see it swinging back in his favour.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just not his year, better luck for ‘25?
I’m aware there are still 8 events to go but I don’t see it swinging back in his favour.

I agree. But maybe his best chance was in the years in the old Yaris which is he was really comfortable with unlike the hybrid car.

[becher]

Just not his year, better luck for ‘25?
I’m aware there are still 8 events to go but I don’t see it swinging back in his favour.
Up to now he is still neck and neck with Neuville in the standings, so he's very much in the fight.

[EstWRC]

That will be an hell of a power stage with Neuville just 0.7 behind Ogier in Sunday overall and him and Tänak wanting also the max points from there

[CeskyOndra]

Guys, 1 Sunday crash and all will be different in championship..

[denkimi]

Guys, 1 Sunday crash and all will be different in championship..
Munster crashed and nothing has changed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can anyone see if Evans is moving on the tracking ?

[Tauri_J]

Munster crashed and nothing has changed.

Munster is not a championship contender

[Tauri_J]

Can anyone see if Evans is moving on the tracking ?

Not moving because he’s in a regroup zone

[satnav]

Can anyone see if Evans is moving on the tracking ?

He's in the regroup before the power stage at Vieira do Minho, there's a 38km road section to the stage then the stage then another 86km road section to the finish !!!

[CeskyOndra]

Evans 9min late in TC. So he can't go for points now?

[jonkka]

Evans 9min late in TC. So he can't go for points now?

For Sunday, no.

[CeskyOndra]

For Sunday, no.

I mean Power Stage points?

[jonkka]

I mean Power Stage points?

If car works, he can. Time penalties don't prevent that.

[TypeR]

If I remember correctly.. had he taken penalty before PS and therefore not starting on given position, then can't drive for PS points.
It prevents ,,sitting in the bush'' and waiting for better start position..

[jonkka]

If I remember correctly.. had he taken penalty before PS and therefore not starting on given position, then can't drive for PS points.
It prevents ,,sitting in the bush'' and waiting for better start position..

This is true but regulations do not make any mention regarding time penalties, only stating that "Any crew which does not start the Power Stage in the given order will not be eligible to score Power Stage points" (WRC regulations art 50.4).

[Tauri_J]

Ott and tenths again ugh

[EstWRC]

This will hurt Tänak.

Overall basically didn’t gain anything on Neuville

[jonkka]

If I calculated correctly, it's once again that winner doesn't score most points (Tanak gets 26 to Ogier's 25 pts).

[Eli]

Gained 3 points on Neuville? made larger gains on Evans & Fourmaux though, should get that third place. At least he's got (finally) his first podium of the year.
Ogier here showing a master class, so annoying he's not doing a full championship, I'm aware he has his reasons but it seems he hasn't lost any of his competitiveness since he retire at the end of 2021.

[TypeR]

Gained 3 points on Neuville? made larger gains on Evans & Fourmaux though, should get that third place. At least he's got (finally) his first podium of the year.
Ogier here showing a master class, so annoying he's not doing a full championship, I'm aware he has his reasons but it seems he hasn't lost any of his competitiveness since he retire at the end of 2021.
Will see, he is doing next 2 rallies with good starting positions.. :D

Tanak gained 2p over Neuville. Gap would have been same with old point system: 18+4 and 15+5..

[CeskyOndra]

Congratulations to Ogier for the win, great performance! For me, winner is also Neuville, he got 24 points from 1st on the road. If it rains on Sardegna, he is a real favourite for title

[AndyRAC]

Congratulations to Ogier for the win, great performance!

What was so great? He had another advantageous road position and once again benefitted from others crashing......

[EstWRC]

Gained 3 points on Neuville? made larger gains on Evans & Fourmaux though, should get that third place. At least he's got (finally) his first podium of the year.
Ogier here showing a master class, so annoying he's not doing a full championship, I'm aware he has his reasons but it seems he hasn't lost any of his competitiveness since he retire at the end of 2021.

Only 2 points, would have been 4 if he had been faster than him on PS and Ogier wouldnt have let Neuville pass in sunday standings.

I think i agree that the biggest winner was Neuville, first from the road and to gain 24 points from here. I cant see anyone beating him for the title this year, at the moment not at least, he is just so strong.

Very good rally from Tänak, not feeling comfortable in the car at all but still managed to fight for the win, such a shame about that low puncture. He got 5 stage wins, he had 5 stage wins in total before this rally. But like he said, this wont work out at every rally.

Very good rally overall, exciting all the time. Bring on Sardinia!

[Negaiss]

What was so great? He had another advantageous road position and once again benefitted from others crashing......

Great is to be fast and in the same time not to crash. An he was overall fastest of those, who did not crash.

[focus206]

I think Ogier isn't as fast and as consistent as he was in his prime (when he was both very fast and very consistent), but he's an old fox who knows how to win a rally. If he was in the championship, then he let Tanak outscore him and Neuville only 1 point behind despite finishing 3rd, but Ogier cares for rally wins now and he did very good on that regard.
Finally a great rally for Ott in the Hyundai. Great also from Neuville, 1st on the road, especially compared to Evans. Evans was unlucky with the engine gremlins, but too slow this weekend in any case. Fourmaux keeps showing maturity.

[CeskyOndra]

I think Ogier isn't as fast and as consistent as he was in his prime (when he was both very fast and very consistent), but he's an old fox who knows how to win a rally. If he was in the championship, then he let Tanak outscore him and Neuville only 1 point behind despite finishing 3rd, but Ogier cares for rally wins now and he did very good on that regard.
Finally a great rally for Ott in the Hyundai. Great also from Neuville, 1st on the road, especially compared to Evans. Evans was unlucky with the engine gremlins, but too slow this weekend in any case. Fourmaux keeps being showing maturity.

Let's see if Evans will improve his pace on Sardegna. 24 points is now quite a big difference tbh.. With this new points system

[focus206]

I think i agree that the biggest winner was Neuville, first from the road and to gain 24 points from here. I cant see anyone beating him for the title this year, at the moment not at least, he is just so strong.


3 fast gravel rallies incoming after Sardegna, where Tanak and Evans are faster than Neuville. If Tanak keeps performing like this then I still see him in the title fight and it could be down to luck, if Neuville's Hyundai breaks down one more time than Tanak's or vice versa.

[focus206]

Let's see if Evans will improve his pace on Sardegna. 24 points is now quite a big difference tbh.. With this new points system

To me the limit is 30... one serious mechanical problem and +24 can be transformed into -1, -2, -3 etc.

[CeskyOndra]

To me the limit is 30... one serious mechanical problem and +24 can be transformed into -1, -2, -3 etc.

Yeah bro, I agree. Sardegna will be important.

[WRCStan]

1:40 penalty for Solans?

[WRCStan]

Great is to be fast and in the same time not to crash. An he was overall fastest of those, who did not crash.

Exactly, he played his cards perfectly and got his result. Time and time again he shows why he's the greatest in the game. That not everybody can be dealt the same cards isn't his fault, it's the nature of the game.

[eib1]

OSS vs NSS after Portugal

https://i.ibb.co/m5N2t4B/points-portugal.jpg

[denkimi]

Indeed. Remember that rovanpera also had a great starting position but didn't win.

[eib1]

Pajari SS21 last corner

https://ralli.ee/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/436662938_1614763259284608_6016158589948512831_n-1.jpg

[TypeR]

1:40 penalty for Solans?
WRC.com shows so indeed..
10min late to TC22A

Something happened with car or stuck in traffic on road section.?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans confirmed a stone damaged the radiator. He was lucky in a way to get to the finish today or it would've been a zero point score.

[PLuto]

WRC.com shows so indeed..
10min late to TC22A

Something happened with car or stuck in traffic on road section.?

Dont believe results on wrc.com ; there is usually lot of mistakes...

[Eli]

I think this will be Thierry’s year, with Rovanperä & Ogier out of the way doing part time campaigns, Tänak playing catch up & Mr. Evans being unable to disrupt Thierry’s podium finishes (meaning he finishes at least one step ahead of him). The only person imho that can take away Neuville’s title is himself if he makes the same stupid mistakes he made back in 2017. He’s riding the wave atm, and he knows this might be his last shot to take the title this year before he retires (willingly or not), using the new point scoring system to his advantage. Even with rallies such as Latvia & Finland, as long as he manages to keep his lead, he will take it. Yes I know we’re only 5 rounds in, but it seems he’s gonna take it even when he’ll struggle.

[meh]

Summary from Tänak's interview - he needs to adapt himself to the car to be at least somewhere, but this is not the way to reach the level of "I'm controlling others with my tempo". He was talking about something that the team pressured/motivated him to take risks and with usual/normal circumstances it does not work out that way but it was delivering this time. Without the tire issue (slow puncture) the fight for the win would be more interesting.

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This year, basically only crashing on Sunday will be punished. If it happens on Friday or Saturday and the car is repairable, you can still earn a lot of points from Sunday. It means mistakes are not that much punished and the wins are not valued which makes it harder to make a difference in the points table.

Neuville was made really good powerstage to earn PowerStage and Sunday points. Tänak earned only 2 points against Neuville with the rally. Without any retirement for Neuville, the cap is quite big already and it's hard to fight it back.

Fourmaux proves to be another Tänak and Evans scenario from Wilson. He has a decent start to the season and is a nice mix to the game, at least making team plays more complicated, as there are not only Toyotas and Hyundais, but there can be also one M-Sport guy.

Taka is a bit mysterious - first, he had the mysterious speed for Friday, but maybe it's again the thing I call the "Friday hero". Showing really good times from a favorable starting position (I'm not sure it was the case this time), but if the competition gets complicated and there is pressure in place, he makes mistakes. He can put the fastest times quite often already, this is already normal, not something exceptional. If he could deliver under pressure, rallies will get more interesting again.

Evans was so many ways lost that I don't even know what to think about it.

[focus206]

I think this will be Thierry’s year, with Rovanperä & Ogier out of the way doing part time campaigns, Tänak playing catch up & Mr. Evans being unable to disrupt Thierry’s podium finishes (meaning he finishes at least one step ahead of him). The only person imho that can take away Neuville’s title is himself if he makes the same stupid mistakes he made back in 2017. He’s riding the wave atm, and he knows this might be his last shot to take the title this year before he retires (willingly or not), using the new point scoring system to his advantage. Even with rallies such as Latvia & Finland, as long as he manages to keep his lead, he will take it. Yes I know we’re only 5 rounds in, but it seems he’s gonna take it even when he’ll struggle.

Hyundai's poor reliability can make him or break him as well. Even though I must say that all Hyundais were almost perfect in Portugal.

[CeskyOndra]

Summary from Tänak's interview - he needs to adapt himself to the car to be at least somewhere, but this is not the way to reach the level of "I'm controlling others with my tempo". He was talking about something that the team pressured/motivated him to take risks and with usual/normal circumstances it does not work out that way but it was delivering this time. Without the tire issue (slow puncture) the fight for the win would be more interesting.

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This year, basically only crashing on Sunday will be punished. If it happens on Friday or Saturday and the car is repairable, you can still earn a lot of points from Sunday. It means mistakes are not that much punished and the wins are not valued which makes it harder to make a difference in the points table.

Neuville was made really good powerstage to earn PowerStage and Sunday points. Tänak earned only 2 points against Neuville with the rally. Without any retirement for Neuville, the cap is quite big already and it's hard to fight it back.

Fourmaux proves to be another Tänak and Evans scenario from Wilson. He has a decent start to the season and is a nice mix to the game, at least making team plays more complicated, as there are not only Toyotas and Hyundais, but there can be also one M-Sport guy.

Taka is a bit mysterious - first, he had the mysterious speed for Friday, but maybe it's again the thing I call the "Friday hero". Showing really good times from a favorable starting position (I'm not sure it was the case this time), but if the competition gets complicated and there is pressure in place, he makes mistakes. He can put the fastest times quite often already, this is already normal, not something exceptional. If he could deliver under pressure, rallies will get more interesting again.

Evans was so many ways lost that I don't even know what to think about it.

On gravel, crashing on Friday or Saturday means bad road position for Sunday

[WRCStan]

On gravel, crashing on Friday or Saturday means bad road position for Sunday

Thanks for this.

[EstWRC]

I agree that with this years points system it’s really hard to catch another driver if the other driver doesn’t have a zero point rally basically. And the 30 point gap is quite a big one now compared to previous seasons system.

Then again, Tänak gained 20 points against Evans with Portugal so it is possible

[CeskyOndra]

I started to believe in Tanak with this rally and thinking he will be fighting for the win with Ogier again in Sardegna

[TypeR]

Final classification is out and Solans is still at his place, all good.

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/Fos6SRMMcsQ?si=ARtw4oWill16aqjd

[denkimi]

Taka is a bit mysterious - first, he had the mysterious speed for Friday, but maybe it's again the thing I call the "Friday hero". Showing really good times from a favorable starting position (I'm not sure it was the case this time), but if the competition gets complicated and there is pressure in place, he makes mistakes. He can put the fastest times quite often already, this is already normal, not something exceptional. If he could deliver under pressure, rallies will get more interesting again.

Taka was a friday hero, but so were ogier, rovanpera and sordo.

[meh]

Then again, Tänak gained 20 points against Evans with Portugal so it is possible

Tänak got 20 points closer to Evans, but as the main reason was a bad rally for Evans, I would say that Evans lost 20 points to Tänak, not Tänak gained.

The point is, if the other one does not have a disaster rally, it's hard to gain big points.



On gravel, crashing on Friday or Saturday means bad road position for Sunday

Yes, that's true. Let's say Tänak, Neuville or Evans start Sunday with super-rally, there is quite a big chance that they can get more than 0 points. It's not earning a lot, but it's minimizing the damage.

At the moment I would say that the new scoring system has provided a tool for Tänak to save his season. It has been bad, but without Sunday points it would be a disaster.

[denkimi]

the powerstage also makes quite some difference:

neuville 18
tanak 15
evans 8
katsuta 7
fourmaux 5

[AndersX]

I would say this WDC is Neuville to lose as current point system gives protection against small mistake consequences. I think TN can start to drive "defensive" now, without chasing a win on every stage/rally. If he keeps it around top3 on reminding rallies, he simply can manage this campaign up to the title! Even though, i am still Tanaks supporter, I would like to see Neuville as WDC, just for his attitude, never-give up approach, alway max attack with whatever piece of metal he is given.

[Backa]

Did Jan Solans get 3 points for his 8th place at the end of saturday? Wikipedia and WRC site shows he didn't, eWRC shows he did.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This points system isnt right, particularly in terms of Sunday. Way too many points with both Super Sunday AND the Power Stage are scewing the scores unfairly.

The Top 3 here scoring nearly the same points just doesn't give a correct reflection of the rally.

[trykmann]

I would say this WDC is Neuville to lose as current point system gives protection against small mistake consequences. I think TN can start to drive "defensive" now, without chasing a win on every stage/rally. If he keeps it around top3 on reminding rallies, he simply can manage this campaign up to the title! Even though, i am still Tanaks supporter, I would like to see Neuville as WDC, just for his attitude, never-give up approach, alway max attack with whatever piece of metal he is given.

Almost all champions have had at least 1 retirement during thein championship winning year. Therefore statistics are against Neuville, but if he can keep it clean at least 6 future events, then it will be difficult for other to catch him.

[Eli]

This points system isnt right, particularly in terms of Sunday. Way too many points with both Super Sunday AND the Power Stage are scewing the scores unfairly.

The Top 3 here scoring nearly the same points just doesn't give a correct reflection of the rally.

Wait ‘till we get to Sardegna with, what was it, 33? 39? Kms of competitive action on Sunday? Should’ve just given them the same amount of points they used to have on Saturday and then just have 5-4-3-2-1 for “super Sunday”.

[PLuto]

Did Jan Solans get 3 points for his 8th place at the end of saturday? Wikipedia and WRC site shows he didn't, eWRC shows he did.

Yes, he has received 3 points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What's the award Fourmaux & Coria are receiving ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNdfBbHWAAE8_ik?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

all the finishers get some trophy, at least top10 guys i think

Sordo had picture with the same one

[CeskyOndra]

all the finishers get some trophy, at least top10 guys i think

Sordo had picture with the same one

Exactly, everyone who crossed the line got a trophy

[WRCStan]

Did Jan Solans get 3 points for his 8th place at the end of saturday? Wikipedia and WRC site shows he didn't, eWRC shows he did.

Wiki and WRC both now showing Solans with 3 points.

However, eWRC and WRC are showing Rossel with 1 point instead of Joona for Saturday. Rossel's penalty should be applied at TC13A. So I believe Wiki is now the only correct one. Unless I'm wrong?

This. Is. Grrrreat!

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyoRUbodcJw

[becher]

Exactly, everyone who crossed the line got a trophy

This is a Rally Portugal thing or on other WRC events as well?

[CeskyOndra]

This is a Rally Portugal thing or on other WRC events as well?

Honestly I dont know, this was so far the only event where we had the time to go from Power Stage to Finish Ceremony, on other rallies its almost impossible to catch

[J4MIE]

The Safari gives a trophy to all finishers (it’s a fairly common thing in rallying I thought?), this year the podium was right after stop line of the final stage. There was a regroup for the podium etc then cars were driven back to parc ferme.

Portugal looks like they had a final service after the power stage podium.

[Andre Oliveira]

Wiki and WRC both now showing Solans with 3 points.

However, eWRC and WRC are showing Rossel with 1 point instead of Joona for Saturday. Rossel's penalty should be applied at TC13A. So I believe Wiki is now the only correct one. Unless I'm wrong?

This. Is. Grrrreat!

I added to eWRC-results according sportity document: https://app-cdn.sportity.com/274a5341-9c48-493e-9f74-ad02d520f4f3/5fbd328b-0b62-497e-9a8d-31111e085d07_Championship%20Points%20PRT%202024.pd f

[Sardalense]

Exactly, everyone who crossed the line got a trophy

1-5 got a trophy
Best Manufacturer
WRC2 top3 got a trophy
WRC2 driver with most stage wins (Pajari) got a trophy, from the Promoter
Best WRC2 Challenger got a trophy
Best WRC Master Cup got a trophy
WRC3 top3 got a trophy
Best Portuguese Team got a trophy
Top3 in the Portuguese championship got a trophy
Top3 in the Portuguese 2WD championship got a trophy
Best RC1(Ogier)/RC2(Gryazin)/RC3/RC4(Fontana) got a trophy

[WRCStan]

I added to eWRC-results according sportity document: https://app-cdn.sportity.com/274a5341-9c48-493e-9f74-ad02d520f4f3/5fbd328b-0b62-497e-9a8d-31111e085d07_Championship%20Points%20PRT%202024.pd f

Lol, this points system won't last.

[WRCStan]

Another variant on standings from FIA. Solans, farewell. Sordo too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjPwhWXsAAVbkj?format=jpg

[Backa]

At least Neuville's, Tanak's and Evans' points are stable. Hopefully we would not end season with different sites crowning different driver as champion...