[WRC] Rally Estonia 2023

[AnttiL]

http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-estonie-2023/

Itinerary here
- New shakedown Karste
- Tartu Vald super special extended to 3.5 km but the 6 km Sunday version is dropped
- Vastsemõisa stage dropped
- Neeruti driven just once on Friday
- 2x2 stage structure on Saturday
- Otepää shortened
- New stage Karaski on Sunday
- Kambja power stage extended
- 300.7 km, just over 300 :D

[ToKu]

- Otepää shortened


Distance is similiar to Rua 2010 and Alalkula 2015. 2010 Rua route had no Truuta Fan Zone.

Any guesses if Raanitsa and Kanepi will have the same or opposite direction in comparison to 2022?

[AnttiL]

Raanitsa and Kanepi have exact same length as last year so I assume same direction.

Otepää could be just last year's ending cut off to suit better going back directly to Mäeküla start? Finish here?

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Estonia-2022#/gps/57.971246,26.571035

[Oliverk]

Friday schedule is shit again. Massive amount of driving needed to see more than 2 stages. And you can only see imited amount of cars first pass if you want to do 2,4,6,8.

[Tauri_J]

Karaski is probably reversed and modified Saverna stage from 2019.

[Tauri_J]

Friday schedule is shit again. Massive amount of driving needed to see more than 2 stages. And you can only see imited amount of cars first pass if you want to do 2,4,6,8.

Yup, so stupid like last year. Friday should be 2x2 stage structure not saturday. Or they should have planned another stage or two in the north that the whole day would be there.

[AnttiL]

Karaski is probably reversed and modified Saverna stage from 2019.

It would be super fast…

[Tauri_J]

It would be super fast…

It looks to be longer so more junctions/smaller roads possibly.

[AnttiL]

Kambja beginning is likely new, the itinerary says start TC is at Valgjärve, whereas previously it was at Maaritsa. This would mean towards the old shakedown, also being probably connected with adding a new shakedown.

[Tauri_J]

https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120176096/delfi-video-soida-koos-voistluste-juhi-urmas-roosimaaga-labi-rally-estonia-taiesti-uus-kiiruskatse#daltop3

Karaski stage onboard

[AnttiL]

https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120176096/delfi-video-soida-koos-voistluste-juhi-urmas-roosimaaga-labi-rally-estonia-taiesti-uus-kiiruskatse#daltop3

Karaski stage onboard

https://www.mapfab.com/map/AcqR/Karaski-2023

This is the route shown on the video. Likely the stage starts already before the video.

[Tauri_J]

https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/general-information/maps/

Full map

[AnttiL]

so the power stage starts on a road that was used previously on the shakedown. Sad to see the good opening of the power stage go, but maybe it creates a new challenge.

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Estonia-2023

[Rallyest]

2443


Something interesting should be coming today(this was posted yesterday)

[Hartusvuori]

I noticed this too and wonder what it is. Sounds like some kind of a webinar on organizing an event + some Ott vs Kalle thing.

[AnttiL]

I saw a s schedule of that with

12:30 - 13:00 Press Conference BATTLE OF THE CHAMPIONS Ott Vs Kalle

[TypeR]

So the OTT vs KALLE battle was only about 2in1 rallypass(Est and Fin)?

[Rallyest]

So the OTT vs KALLE battle was only about 2in1 rallypass(Est and Fin)?


Pretty much, discounted price if you buy both rallies

But something cool should come with Oliver Solberg and Benediktas Vanagas

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list is out: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/80240-wrc-rally-estonia-2023/

[Lead]

So Lindholm with Hyundai and Mikkelsen back in Toksport. Thats good for battles in WRC2.

[Indreksi]

https://ralli.ee/avalikustati-rally-estonia-2023-wrc-etapi-osalejate-nimekiri/

[meh]

Thinking out loud ...

A list of competitors is not too wide in Rally1 or Rally2 but there some are interesting things to follow.

Rovanperä - can anyone beat him? He has declared Rally Estonia as his favourite rally. Without any technical problems/punctures, the only mission hardener can be if it will be too dry long time and it's too big disadvantage for being 1st on the road. It's quite long Friday.

Evans - can be a bit dark horse here. He showed good pace last year (6 stage wins, 10 times 2nd out of 24 stages), but he also has more bitter memories from Estonia - like huge crash from pre-event-test-rally and back-injury from one bad landing. But 2nd on the road is not helpful on friday.

Tänak - a lot of questions... but still really strong candidate for the win.

Neuville - he never liked rally Estonia or Finland, but 4th on the road on Friday can keep him in good distance. From pre-event interview before Safari, he admited that it's hard for him beat Rovanperä in Estonia and Finland. If he does not believe in himself, he can not do any good rally anyway.

Lappi - I would not be surprise if Lappi is going to win this one. He has adopted with Hyundai really well, he has the speed, he likes fast stuff and he has really good road position. In case Lappi is going to beat Neuville a lot in Estonia and in Finland, it may make team-dynamics interesting in Hyundai.

Katsuta - he kind of like fast stuff as well, but he need to finish.

Loubet - speed wise, probably slowest Rally1 driver this time and goal is to collect experience and stay on road.

Suninen - really good read position can make him "friday hero". If he can beat Neuville, it's probably hard for Neuville.

To conlcude that - I expect Rovanperä and Tänak as main fighters for the win, but most likely Lappi and maybe Evans are part of that as well.

Then comes Taka-Neuville-Suninen. Loubet can get places when something happens in front.

[Rallyest]

Thinking out loud ...

A list of competitors is not too wide in Rally1 or Rally2 but there some are interesting things to follow.

Rovanperä - can anyone beat him? He has declared Rally Estonia as his favourite rally. Without any technical problems/punctures, the only mission hardener can be if it will be too dry long time and it's too big disadvantage for being 1st on the road. It's quite long Friday.

Evans - can be a bit dark horse here. He showed good pace last year (6 stage wins, 10 times 2nd out of 24 stages), but he also has more bitter memories from Estonia - like huge crash from pre-event-test-rally and back-injury from one bad landing. But 2nd on the road is not helpful on friday.

Tänak - a lot of questions... but still really strong candidate for the win.

Neuville - he never liked rally Estonia or Finland, but 4th on the road on Friday can keep him in good distance. From pre-event interview before Safari, he admited that it's hard for him beat Rovanperä in Estonia and Finland. If he does not believe in himself, he can not do any good rally anyway.

Lappi - I would not be surprise if Lappi is going to win this one. He has adopted with Hyundai really well, he has the speed, he likes fast stuff and he has really good road position. In case Lappi is going to beat Neuville a lot in Estonia and in Finland, it may make team-dynamics interesting in Hyundai.

Katsuta - he kind of like fast stuff as well, but he need to finish.

Loubet - speed wise, probably slowest Rally1 driver this time and goal is to collect experience and stay on road.

Suninen - really good read position can make him "friday hero". If he can beat Neuville, it's probably hard for Neuville.

To conlcude that - I expect Rovanperä and Tänak as main fighters for the win, but most likely Lappi and maybe Evans are part of that as well.

Then comes Taka-Neuville-Suninen. Loubet can get places when something happens in front.

Weather wise it predicts to be rain,sun/clouds,rain,sun/clouds for whole rally week. Nothing too wet, nothing too dry atm, so if it stays like that it can be very dangerous for everyone since it can benefit Rovanperas friday.
But i think the fight for win will be Rovanpera, Tänak and Lappi(if he can handle the weekend long high speed full attack, which makes me concerned, tho Sweden he managed it till the puncture)
i have mixed feelings about Evans so im not confident to throw him in the podium mix, maybe if someone out of the first three makes a mistake.
Neuville i think will be the front runner of the second tier Rally1 drivers, even tho he has a good starting position he usually has very weak fridays.

I dont have so much confidence in Suninen if he only gets a PET, if he can compete in Southern estonian rally on 8th, that will be a good indication where he is pace wise, since there are expected other Rally1 drivers aswell. but all in all i wouldnt be expecting much from him on his first "real" outing. Maybe in finland.

Loubet probably will be where he has been all season. I hope Taka will do well and beat Neuville, probably will if he wont make a mistake, he hasnt been very reliant on Estonias fast roads

[Tauri_J]

Making weather predictions now is silly. Maybe when we have a week to go, then yes.

But if its bone dry, its gonna be hell for Kalle. Its so loose and friday being extra long this year doesnt help his case either.

[Dontcut]

Is there any info about the spectators spots? There might be on the magazine, but on the internet?

[Tauri_J]

Is there any info about the spectators spots? There might be on the magazine, but on the internet?

There is. But you mean free or paid content?

[Rallyest]

Making weather predictions now is silly. Maybe when we have a week to go, then yes.

But if its bone dry, its gonna be hell for Kalle. Its so loose and friday being extra long this year doesnt help his case either.

Just analizing the outcome based on info we have right now, i know weather in estonia can change in a heartbeat. We had our week of Estonian summer, so probably will be more rainy then :D

[Dontcut]

There is. But you mean free or paid content?

Yeah, free. Usually they show them on the rallyestonia website.

[Tauri_J]

Yeah, free. Usually they show them on the rallyestonia website.

https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/general-information/spectator-areas/

[meh]

Just analizing the outcome based on info we have right now, i know weather in estonia can change in a heartbeat. We had our week of Estonian summer, so probably will be more rainy then :D

I wonder do bluuford have facepalm or ROFL reaction out of this sentense...


https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/general-information/spectator-areas/

I have not checked this kind of info from rally web pages and maybe it's usual thing (I doubt), but this is really nice and well presented information for spectator

[meh]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-stars-enter-estonian-and-finnish-national-events/

Basically, if you really want, you can watch 4 times during one month (8th of July - 6th of August) rallies where Rally1 cars participate in Estonia and Finland.

edit: https://twitter.com/HYAcenterRally/status/1674353844715659266 - seems, that Dirtfish knows more than rally organizers

[Tauri_J]

DirtFish’s headline is rather ambigious. Right now its only Ott confirmed at Estonia.

[Tauri_J]

Suninen confirmed now.

[Indreksi]

At least two Rally1 cars at next week's South Estonia rally!

https://ralli.ee/jargmisel-nadalal-toimuval-louna-eesti-rallil-saab-naha-vahemalt-kahte-rally1-autot/

[sinepikohv]

18 entries in total. Well, if it wasn't obvious that this rally was made for Tänak to test then it is now.

[meh]

18 entries in total. Well, if it wasn't obvious that this rally was made for Tänak to test then it is now.

It was. And from competition perspective, I would not even call it a Rally. "Public Testing Day" or "Let's find and finetune the setup for Rally Estonia" would be better name.

But nothing bad there, I guess everyone got invited, maybe too last minute to actually get them here.

[Indreksi]

Loubet test:

https://ralli.ee/video-m-sport-on-hetkel-louna-eesti-teedel-rally-estoniaks-valmistumas/

[becher]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-and-suninen-learn-lots-in-louna-eesti/

[ToKu]

Greetings everybody!

My plan for a rally is Raanitsa - Otepaa - Kanepi - Karaski

Hope to meet You there.

[meh]

Whoever is going to spectate, be ready fro changeable weather - relatively warm (usual Estonian summer, 17-23 degrees) and rain-showers: https://www.ilmateenistus.ee/ilm/prognoosid/4-oopaeva-prognoos/?lang=en

[Rallyper]

Less than 26 hrs to make your Pickems for Rally Estonia, guys.

Closing time 1900 hrs CEST Thursday evening

[EstWRC]

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Taking of my blue black white glasses and this weather whole week has given Kalle a big head start, hoped for some holdback for him on friday with cleaning, but idk with the strong performance of toyota previous years and their engine update also, i doubt anyone can match Kalle and Evans also, hope im wrong though rally finishes on sunday.

[EstWRC]

Shakedown link https://youtube.com/live/E_mRXMfMzgw?feature=sharea

Can’t be there myself unfortunately cause I’m traveling from Tallinn to south today but I will be there the next days

[EstWRC]

So many people already on shakedown!

[EstWRC]

Ott said after the finish that something is broken

Alllive reporting that he has engine problems

[Rallyest]

Ott said after the finish that something is broken

Alllive reporting that he has engine problems

Its like every time you start going near the limit with Ford things start falling apart

[cali]

Good morning guys! Shakedown underway and some really nice driving. 2463

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[cali]

And on the second run everybody's much more committed and also the road as cleaned a lot.

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[EstWRC]

Its like every time you start going near the limit with Ford things start falling apart

https://twitter.com/karlip1/status/1681917201819860992?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[Rallyest]

https://twitter.com/karlip1/status/1681917201819860992?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

Shakedown done for Tänak, no more runs.

[EstWRC]

What a great beginning for the rally!

[TypeR]

M-Sport is really playing with Estonian's nerves there..

[cali]

M-Sport is really playing with Estonian's nerves there..Not really, it's kind of expected now and the bets are when - after 2 kms or 5 or 8 or 11 no more options needed really

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[Tauri_J]

Shakedown done for Tänak, no more runs.
Where did you get that?

[EstWRC]

Kalle also with some problems?

He has been sitting also in the remote service after first run

[Co-FIN]

Kalle also with some problems?

He has been sitting also in the remote service after first run

He did 2nd run as 1st wrc. Seems to be timing glitch

[Rallyest]

Where did you get that?

2464


Towed to service, should be there now, was seen at "Kivilinna" in Tartu like 10-15 minutes ago


"might be a very serious problem" Words of Millener

[EstWRC]

Where did you get that?

https://twitter.com/dirtfishrally/status/1681922170669203456?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[seb_sh]

But guys Richard said to stop picking on them it's not fair! (Joke)

[TWRC]

Unfortunately, they are starting to become a caricature at this rate... Hopefully it's nothing serios and they can fix it. Would be bad for tha rally if they lost the car already.

[EstWRC]

But guys Richard said to stop picking on them it's not fair! (Joke)

Yesterday he said to Estonian media that he is hopeful that Tänak stays with them

I would like to be the fly on by the wall when he is trying to convince Ott with his really “strong arguments”

If it’s a serious issue and they have to change the engine then the rally is done before it already begins cause they will get a penalty

[flat_right]

Yes, 5 mins. Fingers crossed that it is not the case

16.1.1 In the case of engine failure between scrutineering and TC0 it is permitted to replace the engine but a 5-minute penalty will be applied.

[Eli]

So (with all due respect) no point in putting Ott first in the pickems ey?

[ouvreur]

Yesterday he said to Estonian media that he is hopeful that Tänak stays with them

I would like to be the fly on by the wall when he is trying to convince Ott with his really “strong arguments”

If it’s a serious issue and they have to change the engine then the rally is done before it already begins cause they will get a penalty

I guess it depends what the issue is, and what's been damaged... long as they use the same block, they won't get a penalty...

[Rallyest]

Yes, 5 mins. Fingers crossed that it is not the case

16.1.1 In the case of engine failure between scrutineering and TC0 it is permitted to replace the engine but a 5-minute penalty will be applied.

Rumours are the engine will have to be swapped

Edit: Seems so 2465

[Rallyest]

Time to change the pickems

[TWRC]

Rumours are the engine will have to be swapped

Edit: Seems so 2465
Are they really swapping it, or just took it out to have better access for the repair?

[Rallyest]

Are they really swapping it, or just took it out to have better access for the repair?

Not officialy confirmed but estonian live blog says it a new engine not the old one out, one can hope they brought it for spare parts but doubt it

[Tauri_J]

No, they took old one out to investigate. But it still probably is an engine change.

[meh]

By shakedown interviews it seems to be rally which most of drivers really like. It's not survival rally for cars, it's drivers rally.

[meh]

And Tänak's engine problem - it's a HUGE disappointment. We can make jokes towards M-Sport, but there is nothing to be happy about here (even you are Toyota or Hyuindai fan). A lot of effort has been put to make things happen, and it has no huge step-back or even may stop here. Feel sorry for everyone involved. It's not good for the sport and competition, not for this rally or for the title fight in general.

[meh]

Bulacia rolled in shakedown:
* https://twitter.com/FunForSpectator/status/1681946738624528384/photo/1
* https://twitter.com/mufcAleksi/status/1681947613866729472/photo/1

[Rallyest]

Someone Shared in Estonian Rally fans facebook chat, that someone who is at service park heard that a spark plug was dancing around in the cilinder, and that is what made this mess, another 5 buck error makes such a mess if its true

[bomber21]

5 min penalty confirmed

[meh]

5 min penalty confirmed

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc/tanaks-home-hopes-thrown-into-disarray/


**** **** ****

[bomber21]

What a pity for Ott and for the fans

[Tauri_J]

I’m so used to it that it doesnt even bother me.

But oh man I feel for Ott. So much preparations for his Home rally and then the car just gives up after 4kms.

[doubled1978]

Clearly this isn’t good on the MSport side, and just another catastrophe in season full of them, but I can’t have this as a ‘good’ rule. There are only a few Rally 1 cars as it is and now 1 is starting the event 5 minutes down and with no chance. The penalty seems totally disproportionate given the event hasn’t even started competitively.
I know the rule has been around for years as I recall Sordo having the same penalty on Rally GB maybe 10 years ago or more when at Citroen and I thought it was ridiculous then.
This seems like a rule where the FIA have got the shotgun, aimed it squarely at their own foot and pulled the trigger.

I would advocate a points deduction instead, at least then the event itself isn’t compromised and Tanak or whoever could still go out and compete properly.

[focus206]

Ott probably knows the championship wasn't realistic anyway, but what a shame not seeing him fighting at the top not even in his home rally. Maybe in Finland.

[TypeR]

Totally expected answer from him:

“There’s no point shouting at each other or getting angry at each other, we can’t change anything about the position we’re in at the moment.” Millener

[EstWRC]

I wanna cry

This is a huge blow for all the fans and rally itself

I’m sure many don’t bother to come now even

[flat_right]

Still feels like a bad dream. Unbelievable what kind of bad season this has been.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Millener revealed that it is unlikely the team will be able to carry out a thorough investigation into the problem until later this year due to the regulations.

"I would say it has surprised us," Millener added.

"Everything goes through its pre-event checks and everything is thoroughly checked and that was all passed and everything worked in the UK, so we are very surprised to see a problem very early on.

"But it is one of those things that we won't be able to look at for a considerable time as the engines are sealed for effectively the season. It is a tough one to swallow."

[seb_sh]

This sucks for the fans for the WRC for Tanak and for Ford.

On the other hand there are other people to watch in this rally and it's not all decided so still curious to see what happens.

[Corcaíoch]

Gutted for Tanak and the Estonian fans. From the hope and expectation of the start of the season it has been utterly disappointing and underwhelming so far, but for his home rally to be effectively over before it begins is very hard to take.
Getting more and more worried for Tanak's WRC future now.

[Rallyest]

This sucks for the fans for the WRC for Tanak and for Ford.

On the other hand there are other people to watch in this rally and it's not all decided so still curious to see what happens.

So apparently Tänak had a feeling something is wrong yesterday, but team decided not to change te engine before shakedown.
And also you can see he has 0 motivation for driving.


https://sport.postimees.ee/7818251/ott-tanak-kahtlused-loid-valja-juba-eile-aga-mootorit-ei-tahetud-enne-testikatset-vahetada

[flat_right]

what the actual fuck. I mean, seriously, why? When one of the most technically skilled drivers expresses that something feels wrong, and you choose to ignore it, you can't be surprised when you end up in this situation.

[TypeR]

If they had changed it yesterday, would he still got a penalty?

[flat_right]

It depends on when the scrutineering took place, but I believe if Tänak sensed that something was wrong with the car, it must have happened before the scrutineering. He would have needed to test the car earlier to get a sense that something wasn't right

16.1.1 In the case of engine failure between scrutineering and TC0 it is permitted to replace the engine but a 5-minute penalty will be applied.

[mknight]

So apparently Tänak had a feeling something is wrong yesterday, but team decided not to change te engine before shakedown.
And also you can see he has 0 motivation for driving.


https://sport.postimees.ee/7818251/ott-tanak-kahtlused-loid-valja-juba-eile-aga-mootorit-ei-tahetud-enne-testikatset-vahetada

Home rally, friends and fans everywhere.... zero motivation. Ok, maybe he will retire at end of this year then.

Did they drive the car in stage mode yesterday so that he can hear/feel an issue?

-----

The Puma has had trouble with reliability ever since introduced
Yet there also seems to be a pattern where whatever car he drives it has issues.
2017 Fiesta, Yaris WRC, I20 WRC and Rally1 and now Puma. A bit too much to be a coincidence tbh.

- Is it his driving/handling of the car? There is some evidence to that from his Yaris time, where some issues seemed directly related to risky setups (ride height+springs/dampers in GB) or simply too much push (Sardinia jump).

- Or is it just that he gets so much extra publicity? Evans has had quite a few issues with Rally1 car last two years, yet it is nowhere as often in headlines.

[Tauri_J]

If it was before scrutineering they are complete idiots.

[TWRC]

If they had changed it yesterday, would he still got a penalty?

If it was changed before scrutineering, no

[meh]

So apparently Tänak had a feeling something is wrong yesterday, but team decided not to change te engine before shakedown.
And also you can see he has 0 motivation for driving.


https://sport.postimees.ee/7818251/ott-tanak-kahtlused-loid-valja-juba-eile-aga-mootorit-ei-tahetud-enne-testikatset-vahetada

This is proper facepalm.

I remember during Hyundai times, we made jokes (wasn't actually funny, because it was as sad) that we need go to SS1 if we want to see Tänak as well, because we never know does the Hyundai reach to SS2. Now, times have changed - you need to watch first pass on shakedown.

[bluuford]

Never give up, once Loeb went off in Monte and got 5 min superally penalty, finally finished second.. now we need to do one better with same 5 min :P I will try to arrange weather accordingly :P

[EstWRC]

Never give up, once Loeb went off in Monte and got 5 min superally penalty, finally finished second.. now we need to do one better with same 5 min :P I will try to arrange weather accordingly :P

But Monte and this fast rally are totally different.

Last year with five minute loss Loubet got 7th place

[cali]

Home rally, friends and fans everywhere.... zero motivation. Ok, maybe he will retire at end of this year then.

Did they drive the car in stage mode yesterday so that he can hear/feel an issue?

-----

The Puma has had trouble with reliability ever since introduced
Yet there also seems to be a pattern where whatever car he drives it has issues.
2017 Fiesta, Yaris WRC, I20 WRC and Rally1 and now Puma. A bit too much to be a coincidence tbh.

- Is it his driving/handling of the car? There is some evidence to that from his Yaris time, where some issues seemed directly related to risky setups (ride height+springs/dampers in GB) or simply too much push (Sardinia jump).

- Or is it just that he gets so much extra publicity? Evans has had quite a few issues with Rally1 car last two years, yet it is nowhere as often in headlines.Wanted to push reply but accidentally liked the quote, but... For engine failure, which by itself is a rare case these days, setup can't do much harm.
But I'm pretty sure suspension problems are caused by setup

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[meh]

https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/1681979708743860225

Rally Estonia - no small impacts. Even before the rally starts.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm gutted for all involved. I really hope Tanak just drives hard and puts on a show for the fans and takes some stage wins.

[Rallyper]

And Tänak's engine problem - it's a HUGE disappointment. We can make jokes towards M-Sport, but there is nothing to be happy about here (even you are Toyota or Hyuindai fan). A lot of effort has been put to make things happen, and it has no huge step-back or even may stop here. Feel sorry for everyone involved. It's not good for the sport and competition, not for this rally or for the title fight in general.

+10

Very wise words.

[Rallyper]

I wanna cry

This is a huge blow for all the fans and rally itself

I’m sure many don’t bother to come now even

But do you still mean that Ott isn´t going flat out? That you will not see him on stages flying? That he will never give up? True sportsmen just drive to the end. And the end hasn´t even started yet.

[meh]

But do you still mean that Ott isn´t going flat out? That you will not see him on stages flying? That he will never give up? True sportsmen just drive to the end. And the end hasn´t even started yet.

At this point I don't even know what to expect from Tänak. From the comments from previously linked article he has zero motivation, it means he is really pissed off (can't blame).

It may mean:
- if he cools down and still want to fight for the title, he need to go through with decent pace and hope at least for some points - no pushing
- if he has zero motivation to get any points and show good pace - no pushing
- if he has zero motivation to finish and do not care about the end-result, he may push like crazy till he cause some crash (like double puncture 2 years ago)
- if he concentrates now to show, "what could been" - he may show good pace

[ceemic]

Last year with five minute loss Loubet got 7th place
And in 2021 it would have been 6th place; 2020 8th place...
So top 5 is only realistic, if there are some DNF-s from others.

[meh]

So far this thread is all about Tänak and M-Sport as no other news come in. I hope when the rally starts we can enjoy good fight for the 2 podium positions, I guess no one can touch Rovanperä's win by speed/performance.

... and I actually still have not decided, should I go to spectate as well or watch all-live.

[Rallyper]

At this point I don't even know what to expect from Tänak. From the comments from previously linked article he has zero motivation, it means he is really pissed off (can't blame).

It may mean:
- if he cools down and still want to fight for the title, he need to go through with decent pace and hope at least for some points - no pushing
- if he has zero motivation to get any points and show good pace - no pushing
- if he has zero motivation to finish and do not care about the end-result, he may push like crazy till he cause some crash (like double puncture 2 years ago)
- if he concentrates now to show, "what could been" - he may show good pace

Well, I don´t know about his mental condition, but to me all of those "zero motivation" arguments doesn´t belong to a driver at the top level. Think it´s coming from people having their own unfounded speculations.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I read 95% negative reaction on social media to the penalty applied by the FIA (rule) both regarding Tanak and rallying / WRC in general.

These fans, while they may not be hardcore or understand the reason for the rule, are important to the future of the sport. This Rule decision has done a lot of damage to the image of WRC.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And in 2021 it would have been 6th place; 2020 8th place...
So top 5 is only realistic, if there are some DNF-s from others.

That's all assuming he has the same speed as in the i20. Plus he will now have a worse road position than the previous years.

[meh]

Well, I don´t know about his mental condition, but to me all of those "zero motivation" arguments doesn´t belong to a driver at the top level. Think it´s coming from people having their own unfounded speculations.

We can assume here whatever and we still don't know :) First taste we will have from SS1 stage-end interview and reality check with tomorrow's first loop.

[flat_right]

Does this rule apply only when you need to change between scrutineering and TC0? If you need to change between stages, then you are fine?

[Rallyest]

Well, I don´t know about his mental condition, but to me all of those "zero motivation" arguments doesn´t belong to a driver at the top level. Think it´s coming from people having their own unfounded speculations.

Well its not speculation tho if the interviewer didnt make it up by any chance, Tänaks words: Mingit põhjust, miks seda sõita, on täna raske välja tuua. Olukord on kahjuks selline.»

so it roughly translates to "To bring out or say out a reason to drive this one is very hard today, it is like that im afraid"

[Tauri_J]

I read 95% negative reaction on social media to the penalty applied by the FIA (rule) both regarding Tanak and rallying / WRC in general.

These fans, while they may not be hardcore or understand the reason for the rule, are important to the future of the sport. This Rule decision has done a lot of damage to the image of WRC.

Should be like in F1. Fixed amount of motors but use them how you like.

[Rallyest]

Does this rule apply only when you need to change between scrutineering and TC0? If you need to change between stages, then you are fine?

Same between the stages, only chance is before scrutineering

[Fast Eddie WRC]

5-minute penalty...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1eCGYFWcAErxq-?format=jpg&name=medium

[Corcaíoch]

To be fair to Tanak and the "zero motivation", that interview was soon after he found out his hopes of winning his home rally, which he hasn't won in 3 years now, were effectively over. Add that to an already very disappointing ssason and of course he's going to be p**sed off and not motivated. That doesn't mean he's going to still be that way tomorrow or for the while weekend.

[flat_right]

Same between the stages, only chance is before scrutineering

Checked the rule. You can't change the engine during the rally. It is a retirement if you can't repair it.

16.1 ENGINE REPLACEMENT - ALL COMPETITORS
16.1.1 In the case of engine failure between scrutineering and TC0 it
is permitted to replace the engine but a 5-minute penalty will
be applied.
16.1.2 Other than above, the same engine block and bodyshell must
be used from passing scrutineering until the finish of the rally.
16.1.3 The change of an engine after the start of the competition
element of the rally is not permitted.

[eib1]

If they had changed it yesterday, would he still got a penalty?

According to Millener, yes
So they discovered it after scrutineering

[Kras]

If I was in charge of Toyota, I'd arange sponsorships for M-sport behind the scenes to keep them afloat for as long as possible.

You get to ramp up titles in this mockery of a competition propped up by Neville-ran Hyundai and 3 dogs in a trench coat pretending to be a ford wrc team

[meh]

Well its not speculation tho if the interviewer didnt make it up by any chance, Tänaks words: Mingit põhjust, miks seda sõita, on täna raske välja tuua. Olukord on kahjuks selline.»

so it roughly translates to "To bring out or say out a reason to drive this one is very hard today, it is like that im afraid"

Interview video is here: https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120218137/delfi-video-rally-estonial-ott-tanak-ajakaristusest-pohjust-miks-seda-rallit-tana-soita-on-raske-valja-tuua

He also said 2 times "we just need to drive it".

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak:
“Obviously, the competition is gone. It is quite the shock for everyone, no question, but let’s see what we can bring. We have the opportunity to drive and get the job done but other than that not too much to say,” said Tanak.

“We have been struggling quite a bit [in the first half of the season] and actually we put in quite a big effort for this rally with the car – actually, the next two rallies.

“We tried to dig deep to get the best out of this car and I believed we did that but still I would not say we should be on the level with Toyota boys but from our side we did the maximum effort and it is a bit of a shame that this happened.”

[Rallyest]

We can assume here whatever and we still don't know :) First taste we will have from SS1 stage-end interview and reality check with tomorrow's first loop.

So where are the all conspiracy theorist at i got a good one for you, Neuville is paying all M-sport Mechanics money so they mess around with Tänaks car and at the start of the year he also payed all the engineers of M-sport to make the updates make the car slower that is why he has the trouble all the time, and that is why the car is not getting faster i even heard he is paying Malcolm Wilson himself to keep Ott down, so he would have a better chance to be ahead of him.

PS! you didnt hear it from me
PS! take it with a grain of salt

[focus206]

So where are the all conspiracy theorist at i got a good one for you, Neuville is paying all M-sport Mechanics money so they mess around with Tänaks car and at the start of the year he also payed all the engineers of M-sport to make the updates make the car slower that is why he has the trouble all the time, and that is why the car is not getting faster i even heard he is paying Malcolm Wilson himself to keep Ott down, so he would have a better chance to be ahead of him.

PS! you didnt hear it from me
PS! take it with a grain of salt

If only he could pay Toyota mechanics and engineers to mess up with Kalle's car, we could have an actual championship battle.

[EstWRC]

My eyes are now on our young talent Jaspar Vaher

Let see what he can do. It’s his world championship debut

[cali]

My eyes are now on our young talent Jaspar Vaher

Let see what he can do. It’s his world championship debutVaher's gonna be great, so far this season he has showed trumendeous ous pace

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[EstWRC]

Vaher's gonna be great, so far this season he has showed trumendeous pace

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The last time I was so excited about someone was when I found a guy named Ott Tänak

[Eli]

Meet the crews live session if anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qw8TPPUWzU

[meh]

Have I been missing this part of rallies or those are not streamed live previously from other rallies?

[Eli]

Have I been missing this part of rallies or those are not streamed live previously from other rallies?

You haven't, they finally realized it's a part of the rally, now if they'll acknowledge there's a ceremonial finish to each rally it will be nice.

[becher]

But Monte and this fast rally are totally different.

Last year with five minute loss Loubet got 7th place
Yes, but I'd say we are in for a gutsy comeback drive. The result that his fans want might not ve there, but the spectacle will.

[er88]

Kalle from 1st on the road could drive at 80% this weekend and cruise to a podium. Who actually is even going to beat him? Lappi maybe, or Evans. That's it.

[cali]

Yes, but I'd say we are in for a gutsy comeback drive. The result that his fans want might not ve there, but the spectacle will.Hopefully yes

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[1988senna]

Kalle from 1st on the road could drive at 80% this weekend and cruise to a podium. Who actually is even going to beat him? Lappi maybe, or Evans. That's it.

that's only on Friday, kalle will for sure try to win 30 points since morning of Saturday morning,I don't think any one can stop him especially when it rain

[BleAivano]

Mistake by Lindholn and damage to rear left.

[EstWRC]

Such a shame we won’t have the rally next year anymore

Haven’t heard so much praise from drivers in a long time

Lappi saying in the morning “rallying at its best”

[Tauri_J]

Probably an ERC rally next year and maybe return to the calendar after that

[dimviii]

Tanak puma at the end of shakedown ,engine running on 3 cylinders
https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/1681917201819860992

[Tauri_J]

Was I seeing things or looked like Taka moved a massive rock but nothing happened.

All good though

[EstWRC]

Wow.

Haven’t seen Tänak so down in a while

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak on the penalty situation."Its like a kick in the balls."

[EstWRC]

So virtually Tänak leads :D

When taking the 5 minutes down

[meh]

any spectators plan to watch on site SS2 and SS3?

(just trying to figure out, should I go somewhere tomorrow or not)

[linni]

any spectators plan to watch on site SS2 and SS3?

(just trying to figure out, should I go somewhere tomorrow or not)


Some say this is an interesting one:
https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/general-information/spectator-areas/

Going there for the second loop.

[meh]

Some say this is an interesting one:
https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/general-information/spectator-areas/

Going there for the second loop.

The link does not point to any precise spectator area (this site do not provide it). So which one, by name? SS2/5 PEIPSIÄÄRE VEA?

[linni]

The link does not point to any precise spectator area (this site do not provide it). So which one, by name? SS2/5 PEIPSIÄÄRE VEA?

SS2/5 Peipsiääre Selgise

I am starting the day from SS3 Mustvee Põrgupõhja.

[Rallyper]

So virtually Tänak leads :D

When taking the 5 minutes down

I´d say it´s nothing wrong in going virtual about the results, all rally long.

That give us all a rally to keep up the excitement.

[EstWRC]

I´d say it´s nothing wrong in going virtual about the results, all rally long.

That give us all a rally to keep up the excitement.

I will do it if Tänak keeps driving

If he loses 10-20 seconds per stage tomorrow then I won’t blame him at all

[TypeR]

Tänak only 4min59.4s off the lead!

[cali]

So virtually Tänak leads :D

When taking the 5 minutes down4:59,4 to go

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[seb_sh]

I´d say it´s nothing wrong in going virtual about the results, all rally long.

That give us all a rally to keep up the excitement.

Maybe someone should tell Ott the idea also. Would be more fun than complaining about the penalty at every stage end.

[meh]

Maybe someone should tell Ott the idea also. Would be more fun than complaining about the penalty at every stage end.

He said something like that on ceremonial start or meet the crews (I don't remember which) in estonian: Let's see how far we can reach / climb. At least some excitement.

[flat_right]

So anyone else going to the stages tomorrow, let's show our support and love to Ott and Martin. Let's give them some reasons to stay in the sport and sign a 3 year deal with Toyota so we could have epic battles between Tänak and Rovanperä. If someone from the WRC promotor cares about the sport then he/she should work their ass off to make this one happen. First thing on Monday.

[mknight]

As many have said recently, at this point it is best MSport pulls out completely so that FIA is forced to radically change the regulations.

Whether it is Rally2(+) or full electric is secondary. Current regs are only good for the 2 and 1/3 teams we have, and that is not enough.

[KertR]

M-sport was Tänak's only option to continue WRC champs. Everybody hyped the movement, Tänak will be in his home team and will do Ogier and take Titles. Reality is that Puma is ****, all the money went to hire Tänak and nothing else they cannot do. 100% It will be Tänak's last year, sad for Estonians fans, but so it is, Tänak made it decision, when he left Toyota.

[linni]

M-sport was Tänak's only option to continue WRC champs. Everybody hyped the movement, Tänak will be in his home team and will do Ogier and take Titles. Reality is that Puma is ****, all the money went to hire Tänak and nothing else they cannot do. 100% It will be Tänak's last year, sad for Estonians fans, but so it is, Tänak made it decision, when he left Toyota.

https://sport.postimees.ee/7818237/hyundai-boss-tanakuga-pole-sillad-poletatud

"Hyundai boss: the bridges to Tänak has not burned yet."

[Hüttünen]

I couldn’t be more happy for all the Estonian Rally Jokers over there. 😂

Engine change and then regular whining. This is music to my ears. 🎶

[KertR]

https://sport.postimees.ee/7818237/hyundai-boss-tanakuga-pole-sillad-poletatud

"Hyundai boss: the bridges to Tänak has not burned yet."

No idea where that comes from, but it seems silly that after this catastrophic season Tänak goes back to Hyundai. If the season continuoes like this, then 100% Tänak retires, i think no motivation to go for another season in m-sport and again in another team also kind of ridiculous. For Tänak everything in WRC went down when he left Toyota, and it has gone worse every season.

[Rallyper]

Morning.

The Tanak case:

I do believe, after reading this topic, that Tanak means a lot for the fans, the sport, Estonians and - the rest of the rally world. Think of that. The sport doesn´t want him to leave.

[spyros]

Morning.

The Tanak case:

I do believe, after reading this topic, that Tanak means a lot for the fans, the sport, Estonians and - the rest of the rally world. Think of that. The sport doesn´t want him to leave.

Well said,

Anyway the rally begins, fingers crossed for Ott.

[Rallyest]

Small off for evans

2466

[Rallyest]

Ott on a Mission, full attack, love it

[er88]

Small off for evans

2466And both Becs and Penlan missed it

[Tauri_J]

Crazy pace, they found something

[Rallyper]

Neuville dropped time on 2nd split...

Edit: 2 secs, but wasn´t anything. Good time at the end.

[Yugo_para_siempre]

I really feel for Ott.
I really feel for Estonians.
I really feel for all of us in terms of this rally and the championship, considering his pace at the 1st morning stage...

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville surprisingly quick

[er88]

Ott going with the McRae approach :)

[Rallyper]

I really feel for Ott.
I really feel for Estonians.
I really feel for all of us in terms of this rally and the championship, considering his pace at the 1st morning stage...

And still he has to moan at stage end. Someone should tell him to keep up the mood now. And just tell everyone he shall have fun. Or something like that.

[Rallyest]

And still he has to moan at stage end. Someone should tell him to keep up the mood now. And just tell everyone he shall have fun. Or something like that.

I mean i wouldnt say he was moaning, it is just the way Tänak is, straight forward no bullshitting.

[Tauri_J]

Loubet still so slow

[er88]

No hybrid for Lappi after a heavy landing

[Rallyest]

"If there is nothing to lose then just bin it and let's see how far we get." - Ott tänak 2023

[Rallyest]

Suninen is on a good pace, hope he can keep the momentum without crashing till the end

[spyros]

what a time from Oliver 10 secs to Gus.

[Rallyest]

what a time from Oliver 10 secs to Gus.

4.8 to Mikkelsen, and he sayd he made mistakes in there.

[Hüttünen]

Suninen is on a good pace, hope he can keep the momentum without crashing till the end

Suninen will crash 100 % sure 😁 We have seen this so many times.

[Lead]

Nice time by Kaur in the new car.

[Rallyper]

I mean i wouldnt say he was moaning, it is just the way Tänak is, straight forward no bullshitting.

Ok. Not moaning. But still he should be a bit more positive. Leave yesterday behind him.

[Corcaíoch]

Disaster for Lappi, 40s is huge here! Can't seem to catch a break lately

[ouvreur]

And still he has to moan at stage end. Someone should tell him to keep up the mood now. And just tell everyone he shall have fun. Or something like that.

The guy - a world champion - has an insurmountable penalty before even starting his home rally, and you expect him to be all smiles and 'I will just have some fun' at stage end interviews? Seriously?

I'd rather see him as he is, being honest, than giving the standard rally driver bullshit at stage ends.

[Eli]

Disaster for Lappi, 40s is huge here! Can't seem to catch a break lately

Where did you see it’s 40 seconds?

[jonkka]

Where did you see it’s 40 seconds?

If Lappi started stage 4 minutes late, as is reported, that's what it incurs.

[Eli]

If Lappi started stage 4 minutes late, as is reported, that's what it incurs.

Wasn’t aware it was 4 minutes.

[jonkka]

Wasn’t aware it was 4 minutes.

Says so on WRC.com live updates. Penalty itself hasn't been registered yet, maybe there is some confusion about it.

[er88]

Some confusion here over Lappi

[Corcaíoch]

Where did you see it’s 40 seconds?

Ewrc were showing a 40s penalty but it's gone again since, hopefully not!

[Rallyper]

The guy - a world champion - has an insurmountable penalty before even starting his home rally, and you expect him to be all smiles and 'I will just have some fun' at stage end interviews? Seriously?

I'd rather see him as he is, being honest, than giving the standard rally driver bullshit at stage ends.

It´s not bullshit being positive. A true sportsman leave yeswterday and goes on. I know he´s a special personality, but it doesn´t excuse him for not being able to tell positive things. For example after stage wins.

When should he start being positive you mean? Never?

[ouvreur]

It´s not bullshit being positive. A true sportsman leave yeswterday and goes on. I know he´s a special personality, but it doesn´t excuse him for not being able to tell positive things. For example after stage wins.

When should he start being positive you mean? Never?
I'm sure it would be easier to 'leave yesterday behind' if what happened yesterday hadn't completely f*cked today, tomorrow and Sunday for him.

Let's be clear - yes, driving rally cars is fun. Yes, he's in a privileged position that others would kill for, blah blah blah. But ultimately, his job - his life's work - is fighting for world championships, and thanks to something outside of his control that happened 24 hours ago, that job is completely screwed this weekend (on his home rally, in a country where he's probably the highest-profile athlete they've ever had) and likely now the rest of the year, and you want him to start being positive?

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you understand how people operating at his level work. What's he got to be positive about? "Yeah, I'm winning stages, 6th overall here I come!!!"?

[Rallyper]

I'm sure it would be easier to 'leave yesterday behind' if what happened yesterday hadn't completely f*cked today, tomorrow and Sunday for him.

Let's be clear - yes, driving rally cars is fun. Yes, he's in a privileged position that others would kill for, blah blah blah. But ultimately, his job - his life's work - is fighting for world championships, and thanks to something outside of his control that happened 24 hours ago, that job is completely screwed this weekend (on his home rally, in a country where he's probably the highest-profile athlete they've ever had) and likely now the rest of the year, and you want him to start being positive?

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you understand how people operating at his level work. What's he got to be positive about? "Yeah, I'm winning stages, 6th overall here I come!!!"?

Obviously you and I also are persons on a different average mode. I can easily leave things behind, and as you mentioned he has so much to be happy for. An engine failure one day, crash another. Should he have that in mind all the time? Is that what you learn from shrinks?
Sportsmen often need them, but I think Ott need it more.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak should at least be positive about the stage wins and the (performance) work done with the car seems to be paying off.

[meh]

From todays first 2 stages, only surprise (for me) is actually Neuville - he is doing better than I expected. Good road position helps, but let's see how he is doing with more pumpy south Estonia.

[Rallyest]

From todays first 2 stages, only surprise (for me) is actually Neuville - he is doing better than I expected. Good road position helps, but let's see how he is doing with more pumpy south Estonia.

Yes it is good to see he has Started the morning atleast strong on friday, not the usual sucks on friday and starts climbing on saturday

[Eli]

Yes it is good to see he has Started the morning atleast strong on friday, not the usual sucks on friday and starts climbing on saturday

Hopefully he won’t have a puncture or something so Rovanperä won’t be cruising by tomorrow lunchtime.

[Rallyest]

Hopefully he won’t have a puncture or something so Rovanperä won’t be cruising by tomorrow lunchtime.

Dont jinx it

[ouvreur]

Obviously you and I also are persons on a different average mode. I can easily leave things behind, and as you mentioned he has so much to be happy for. An engine failure one day, crash another. Should he have that in mind all the time? Is that what you learn from shrinks?
Sportsmen often need them, but I think Ott need it more.

Hey, each to their own. I appreciate that we all see the world differently, and don't expect anyone else to think or feel the same way I do.

I would also agree that it is helpful for a sportsperson to be able to move past their own mistakes.

This situation, though... considering how he must be feeling, I don't know how he can set the times he's setting, other than absolutely not giving a flying f*ck whether the car makes it to the end of the stage in one piece.I don't know how you can just 'get over' a 5 minute penalty through no fault of your own before even starting your home event where you're a national hero.

[meh]

On the RC2 field - Solberg was expected to be good and favourite etc, but maybe not that much faster than others? Taking into account he has some sickness to carry as well.

[Rallyest]

Hey, each to their own. I appreciate that we all see the world differently, and don't expect anyone else to think or feel the same way I do.

I would also agree that it is helpful for a sportsperson to be able to move past their own mistakes.

This situation, though... considering how he must be feeling, I don't know how he can set the times he's setting, other than absolutely not giving a flying f*ck whether the car makes it to the end of the stage in one piece.I don't know how you can just 'get over' a 5 minute penalty through no fault of your own before even starting your home event where you're a national hero.

In a way, i mean it is a bad situation but it is kinda a very good stress test for the Puma, by pushing to the max every stage they can find the weak spots on fast gravel and they can try and improve theese things before finland, that is the upside i see about this and i am sure M-sport knows it too

Edit: i mean the durability side not the performance side

[Tauri_J]

Stage 4 delayed

Photographers in dangerous place

[Corcaíoch]

On the RC2 field - Solberg was expected to be good and favourite etc, but maybe not that much faster than others? Taking into account he has some sickness to carry as well.

Excellent start from Solberg, but a long way to go yet. If he can keep up the pace it will be interesting to see what Mikkelsen's approach will be, will he just try to play the long game and hope for a mistake or push more to try to catch Solberg. Interesting WRC2 battle so far for the fastest Estonian as well

[Tauri_J]

Next one is a Classic and one of the fastest stage

[meh]

Excellent start from Solberg, but a long way to go yet. If he can keep up the pace it will be interesting to see what Mikkelsen's approach will be, will he just try to play the long game and hope for a mistake or push more to try to catch Solberg.

Mikkelsen has his own song always to play - if someone is faster than him, then "he must taking a lot of risks but we are doing it smart".




Interesting WRC2 battle so far for the fastest Estonian as well

I hope they will start overdriving and reach to the finish with good result.

[skarderud]

Really bad luck for M-sport/Tänak with the engine, but on a positive side they obviously found speed in the Puma!
The big question is the relability, hope that they also find something there too.

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[Lead]

Mikkelsen more often tries to push on afternoon loop, but letting Solberg get away too far now, can be costly.

[Corcaíoch]

I missed the start of the stage, did they clarify the situation with Lappi?

[becher]

I'm sure it would be easier to 'leave yesterday behind' if what happened yesterday hadn't completely f*cked today, tomorrow and Sunday for him.

Let's be clear - yes, driving rally cars is fun. Yes, he's in a privileged position that others would kill for, blah blah blah. But ultimately, his job - his life's work - is fighting for world championships, and thanks to something outside of his control that happened 24 hours ago, that job is completely screwed this weekend (on his home rally, in a country where he's probably the highest-profile athlete they've ever had) and likely now the rest of the year, and you want him to start being positive?

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you understand how people operating at his level work. What's he got to be positive about? "Yeah, I'm winning stages, 6th overall here I come!!!"?
You do realize it's just like that in motorsport? Things outside of your control happen, deal with it. I don't really understand why it is always a world ending drama when Tänak has any sort of issue.

[meh]

You do realize it's just like that in motorsport? Things outside of your control happen, deal with it. I don't really understand why it is always a world ending drama when Tänak has any sort of issue.

Just loud passionate fan-base.

[Eli]

I missed the start of the stage, did they clarify the situation with Lappi?

They haven’t clarified it yet.

[240RS]

Tanak keeping it together will likely see him going past the best Rally2 car well before the power stage.

He is currently around 1.4 sec quicker per kilometre than Solberg. At that pace, a points scoring position will be certain. Good going.

[denkimi]

Really bad luck for M-sport/Tänak with the engine, but on a positive side they obviously found speed in the Puma!
The big question is the relability, hope that they also find something there too.

i would say it's more the speed of someone who has nothing to lose and can take every risk. i wouldn't be supprised if he had a big crash.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

4/4 wins for Tanak. If he can repeat that this afternoon then he's done a great job in proving the speed the Puma is capable of.

[meh]

Epic time from Linnamäe, 2.6sec faster than Solberg.

Mikkelsen need to pick some tempo up, otherwise his podium-position will be eaten soon.

[meh]

Some rain-showers are moving around: https://www.ilmateenistus.ee/ilm/ilmavaatlused/radar/?lang=en#layers/precipitation,thunder

[becher]

Whats the forums opinion on Suninen so far?

[meh]

Whats the forums opinion on Suninen so far?

He has "friday hero" starting position, but it is nice to see that he is really happy, enjoying the opportunity to drive the car. Really day-and-night mood at the stage ends compared to "usual Suninen" from the past. Real pace reality comes tomorrow, when Rovanperä start from more similar road position.

In general - he is doing well. I hope he reach to the finish and delivers.

[TWRC]

Whats the forums opinion on Suninen so far?
For me, he's done pretty well, no dramas, did what he's supposed to do, hopefully he can keep this up and get even better.

[Corcaíoch]

Whats the forums opinion on Suninen so far?

Doing well in my opinion, I expected him to be ahead of Katsauta and Loubet by the end of the rally but wasn't sure he'd be faster than them on the first loop. Good start but the key thing will be to keep it on the road and get the mileage up rather than chasing after Evans and Lappi.

[Corcaíoch]

From Lappi's interview it seems the late start was just some confusion at start line and no mention of any penalty. Go Lappi!!

[meh]

i would say it's more the speed of someone who has nothing to lose and can take every risk. i wouldn't be supprised if he had a big crash.

Tänak confirmed it from media-zone interview - he has nothing to loose, he does not care too much to finish and he has been over the limits and lucky to be there.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-estonia-pace-not-as-impressive-as-it-looks/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Whats the forums opinion on Suninen so far?

Impressive considering the little time he's had in a Rally1 car compared to Katstua & Loubet.

[er88]

Unless Evans can find a few setup tweaks Id imagine he's a sitting duck to Lappi this afternoon.

Really hope Neuville can continue his pace and at least keep Kalle honest, for the championship sake. Surprised by his pace

[meh]

Unless Evans can find a few setup tweaks Id imagine he's a sitting duck to Lappi this afternoon.

Really hope Neuville can continue his pace and at least keep Kalle honest, for the championship sake. Surprised by his pace

Neuville is doing better than (I personally) expected, but don't get fooled by Rovaperä's "slow" times - he is sweeping the road, Neuville is 4th on the road.

2nd pass and rutted two stages may suit better for Neuville again. I think first time we can say something about Rovanperä's pace is tomorrow lunch time.

[Tauri_J]

Kalle lucky again with rain?

[Tauri_J]

https://www.ilmateenistus.ee/ilm/ilmavaatlused/radar/#layers/precipitation,thunder

Heavy rain in a about hour. Should drench SS6

[meh]

Loubet is all over the place, hard to believe he reach to finish like this.

[jcevc]

Loebet is all over the place, hard to believe he reach to finish like this.

With no time at all...also Taka on same level.

[meh]

Solberg stopped.

... it makes fight in the RC2 category really interesting.

[er88]

Solberg doesn't even need to drive on the limit to be one of the pace setters. Definitely needs to learn how to dial it back a few % and find a safer pace

[Rallyper]

Solberg wasn´t even hitting anything more than anyone else.

Now we should talk about Skoda reliability?

[Lead]

Solberg wasn´t even hitting anything more than anyone else.

Now we should talk about Skoda reliability?

Same story as Sardegna. I know its his driving style, but he seems far too aggressive with the car.

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen is "smart"... doing same speed as top drivers in WRC2... and even faster.

[Galev62]

Lindholm broken powersteering. The ruts seem to be really rough…

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/1682339822713569281?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[Tauri_J]

Think rally1 escapes rain in this stage but later runners are in trouble

[er88]

Solberg wasn´t even hitting anything more than anyone else.

Now we should talk about Skoda reliability?He ran wide and hit a tree?

[meh]

About Sami Pajari.

2021 - Rally Estonia RC4 winner
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68114-rally-estonia-2021/?s=325182&ct=1020

2022 - Rally Estonia RC3 winner
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/73363-rally-estonia-2022/?s=368685&ct=1019

so, it's 2023 and RC2...

[EstWRC]

The Ford is awful in ruts

[Eli]

Please don’t retire Ott, if only for your reactions and stage end commentary.

[Rallyper]

He ran wide and hit a tree?

Ok. Was another spot than showed on WRC+ then...

[TypeR]

aaand Rovanperä takes the lead.. on Friday.. :D

[meh]

The Ford is awful in ruts

No, Rovanperä was just "too good".

[er88]

Rain getting heavier

[Lead]

Surprised about Katsuta, he used to love these fast gravel roads... but his times are nowhere.

[EstWRC]

No, Rovanperä was just "too good".

I didn’t say he wasn’t

Just look how much Ott has to work with the steering and shaking his head

He said it also during Portugal or sardegna that if it’s smooth then it’s okay but if gets rutted they are in trouble

[meh]

Bulacia made good time on SS6, just 0.4sec from Mikkelsen.

Tänak is 1min 23sec away from 10th place.

[Hüttünen]

What do you think? Will Loubet and Suninen survive by the end of Friday without crashing? Tomorrow they will do their tricks 100 % certain.

[EstWRC]

I didn’t say he wasn’t

Just look how much Ott has to work with the steering and shaking his head

He said it also during Portugal or sardegna that if it’s smooth then it’s okay but if gets rutted they are in trouble

And he confirmed it again just after SS7

[Rallyper]

O/a after SS7 I have first five correct in Pickems :)

[meh]

So, Estonians are washed and swiped away from RC2 leaderboard by rain.

[Lead]

Massive time for Greensmith. Didnt get so much rain as late runners?

[Corcaíoch]

That camera angle from Tanak's car really gives an impressive view of the speed and commitment!