[WRC] Croatia Rally 2023

[bandit12]

https://meteo.hr/prognoze.php?section=prognoze_model&param=ala_k&el=web_3h_ob_uk_

Bone dry forcasted


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPalGRXgAAAV3Q?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Well.. this is funny. Same guy who always lurks around others cars...

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230422/0fecf207e841fee0172acb0d352b815f.jpg

[Rallyper]

Well.. this is funny. Same guy who always lurks around others cars...

So Ogier himself put up the fence? :)

[EstWRC]

Big gaps weirdly already in splits

[Rallyper]

So why did Toyota hide and seek?

[TypeR]

Ogier 10s penalty for being late to the start, had to fix something on road section

[dimviii]

Εvans slow compare to Neuville

[EstWRC]

Amazing pace by Thierry with dirty road

[EstWRC]

So now Loubet and Taka the only ones without stage win from rally1 cars

[cali]

Very good runs for Ott and especially Thierry considering the road position. Kalle ofc as well

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[TypeR]

https://www.upload.ee/image/15155618/neuville.jpg

[rage82]

Fourmaux now fastest on ss 9 from Rally2 cars.

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[EstWRC]

Very very dusty and slippery already for Kalle. Sliding all the time

[EstWRC]

Nice two stages from Tänak so far.

They have clearly made a big step forward compared to Monte

[dimviii]

CREIGHTON OUT!
He's rolled out of Croatia Rally on SS9! What a shame!

[meh]

Nice two stages from Tänak so far.

They have clearly made a big step forward compared to Monte

Seems they made the same with Rally2 car, Fourmaux also found some speed today.

[meh]

SS11 seems stage for Ogier and Neuville.

... it can get really messy.

[cali]

Evans was moving fast on the GPS :D

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[AnttiL]

Evans wss moving fast on the GPS :D

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Red Bull gives you wings :D

[EstWRC]

Very bad end from Tänak here

[Tauri_J]

Thats some nasty gravel pulled onto the road

[meh]

Neuville hit the rock with rear-left, then nose to the trees. out of car, helmets off.

[Tauri_J]

Neuville out

[cali]

Very bad end from Tänak hereVery smart approach imho considering what just happened

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[seb_sh]

Slipped off, looked a bit silly, kind of reminds of Ypres...

[EstWRC]

Veey smart approach imho considering what just happened

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Definitely that but lost 3 secs to Evans

Anyway. He did most of the damage yesterday with his tyre gamble

[rp]

Always the same every season. Neuville not able to control the situation and will make mistakes.

[cali]

Definitely that but lost 3 secs to Evans

Anyway. He did most of the damage yesterday with his tyre gambleFor the championship it is still looking good ;)

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This year to win a championship you must be very consistent bcs everybody is so close to each other and solid points scoring will take the title (read: re like few last Ogier's titles)

[Tauri_J]

What an awesome stage. Props to the organizer

[meh]

2416

Neuville parked. On the left side the rock he hit.

[EstWRC]

What an awesome stage. Props to the organizer

Can’t imagine how it will look for second pass

[meh]

2416

Neuville parked. On the left side the rock (or whatever it is) he hit.

[denkimi]

neuville will never learn, and will never be champion. he just doesn't have the self-control to focus on the championship and keep it on the road.

[meh]

As it stands after SS11, championship points:
* 1. 69 Evans
* 2. 65 Tänak
* 3. 64 Ogier
* 4. 58 Rovanperä
* 5. 53 Neuville

[Kras]

Thsese last 3 seasons can be summed up to Otts car exploding in p1 and Neuville bining it in p1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big chance for the win for Evans now and no team pressure as he's not scoring Manu points.

[dimviii]

As it stands after SS11, championship points:
* 1. 69 Evans
* 2. 65 Tänak
* 3. 64 Ogier
* 4. 58 Rovanperä
* 5. 53 Neuville

show us standings with Ogier at 4th place.

[denkimi]

show us standings with Ogier at 4th place.

that is +4 points, so ogier at 68 then.

[EstWRC]

show us standings with Ogier at 4th place.

After ss11


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230422/b9a0323c710e5b88e973dd302d75156f.jpg

[meh]

show us standings with Ogier at 4th place.

If I need to predict at the moment, I would put Rovanperä on 4th.

edit: well, if 2nd pass is really dirty, then it's more for Ogier. But Ogier is a bit out of fightingmood at the moment and/or having some issues with car what they needed to fix before first stage. Not sure they fully sorted it out.

[macebig]

What a shame for Neuville. He looked to have the rally pretty much under control. Would have been a very memorable win under the circumstances. Alas, fate had other plans...

[dimviii]

After ss11


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230422/b9a0323c710e5b88e973dd302d75156f.jpg

i asked Ogier at 4th place because he will pass Loubet and Katsuta.
So very tight at championship points.Tanak clearly benefited from this rally,even he hasnt got winning pace.

[dimviii]

If I need to predict at the moment, I would put Rovanperä on 4th.

edit: well, if 2nd pass is really dirty, then it's more for Ogier. But Ogier is a bit out of fightingmood at the moment and/or having some issues with car what they needed to fix before first stage. Not sure they fully sorted it out.

what issues has Ogier?

[dimviii]

Κalle close one...
https://twitter.com/SportMotoresCom/status/1649691947747926016

[meh]

what issues has Ogier?

Ogier himself didn't reveal it and Latvala did not say the reason also. Something was done in the service or done incorrectly in the service. But what exactly, they don't say.

[meh]

Tänak 5.2sec lost in 1st split.

[focus206]

Neuville has no problem when charging for 2 days if he has to recover, but when it comes to keep first position and controlling, it seems the most difficult thing for him...

[meh]

Tänak 5.2sec lost in 1st split.

Lost tire earlier and did not have good option for this one. Cap with Evans is getting too big for fight.

[EstWRC]

Lost tire earlier and did not have good option for this one. Cap with Evans is getting too big for fight.

No fight. Only if Evans does a spin or smth

A little bit wrong tyre choice again I would say with 4 softs for Tänak but all okay. Second from here with some PS stages would be amazing result

[dimviii]

Ogier himself didn't reveal it and Latvala did not say the reason also. Something was done in the service or done incorrectly in the service. But what exactly, they don't say.

if i understood correct .that was an issue as the car left service park,but the crew fixed it, thats why they were late at time control and took 10sec penalty?

[meh]

if i understood correct .that was an issue as the car left service park,but the crew fixed it, thats why they were late at time control and took 10sec penalty?

Yes, and my question/assumption is - is it fully fixed or he actually loosing time because of some issue additionally do not have fighting mode/mood.

[dimviii]

Ciamin just passed Gryazin and now 2nd overall.
C3 and polo ahead of skoda armada.

[doubled1978]

Normally I don’t care who wins so long as it’s a good race, but I was hoping a Hyundai (Neuville as it looked) would win this one for obvious reasons.
Big shame.

[Humber]

Croatia appears to be another long rally (1650.68km total) to obtain the stage distance (301.26km) which 18 percent of the distance driven.

[dimviii]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-7a627bd5-37c4-489c-988f-8be5dc8f64a7.jpg

[becher]

From what i've seen Neuvilles out looks like a rather unfortunate incident with a concrete pipe hide at the edge of the road. Is there any footage?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ryan Champion@Ryan_Champion

Regardless of your favourite team, I think an awful lot of people would have enjoyed a @thierryneuville win this weekend carrying that livery. :( #ForCraig

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuTw6NAXoAAn9Ew?format=jpg&name=900x900

[dimviii]

hierry Neuville has explained the crash that caused his retirement from Croatia Rally on SS11.

Neuville had been leading the event, going onto that stage with a 10.8 second advantage over Toyota’s Elfyn Evans.

But midway through the test he lost the back end of his Hyundai i20 N Rally1 going into a right-handed corner and the right-rear hit some concrete, immediately forcing him to retire from the rally.

And when speaking to DirtFish about the incident, Neuville confirmed that he locked the wheels up under braking.

“To be honest, I struggle a bit to explain it now,” Neuville said.



“I have to check on the video, but especially on the data. I think I just lock up the wheels under braking and had I got in the dust and that’s about it.”

But while it appeared to be an unforced error from Neuville, he doesn’t think it was a case of him driving the car too fast into the corner.

“I don’t know. I didn’t have the feeling like I was driving too fast.

“I think I just probably got into the dirt on the braking, and then with the hard tire on the front it, locked the wheel and I just went a bit straight. And once in the dust it’s hard to keep it on the road.

“So it’s a shame. We had a mission this weekend and we were on it, but obviously.. Yeah, just not confident all the time and on a rally like this, when you are not 100% confident, the smallest mistakes can [catch you out].”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuville-explains-his-croatia-rally-crash/

[dimviii]

From what i've seen Neuvilles out looks like a rather unfortunate incident with a concrete pipe hide at the edge of the road. Is there any footage?
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc/watch--overnight-leader-thierry-neuville-retires-on-saturday-morning/

[becher]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc/watch--overnight-leader-thierry-neuville-retires-on-saturday-morning/
Thanks, it would have been a mess even without the drain pipe. Still a shame.

[dimviii]

Thanks, it would have been a mess even without the drain pipe. Still a shame.

https://youtu.be/8e_t7VffDtE

[dimviii]

Pelier leaking water
https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1649724904579670018

[dimviii]

watch Solbergs spin ,veeeeery lucky he didnt touch anything
https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1649743099068051457

[EstWRC]

Tänak trolling with Colin https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1649685725561118720

[meh]

From what i've seen Neuvilles out looks like a rather unfortunate incident with a concrete pipe hide at the edge of the road. Is there any footage?

If you are off the road because of driving mistake and hit something few meters from the road, it's not too much related to being unlucky anymore. If you come out without impact, you can call it luck.

edit: one clear metric - even Neuville himself is not calling it being unlucky.

[Kras]

EP got luvky there. Zero damage

[dimviii]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-31ea8856-cad5-4627-87f0-17dfba7a7f57.jpg

[meh]

Evans lead got reduced from 22.6 to 15.9 with one stage. Toyota/Evans seems to be better with clean road.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big chunk of Evans lead taken by Tanak... game on !

[Tauri_J]

There was a rolled car on a junction?

[dimviii]

Ciamin off road

[becher]

If you are off the road because of driving mistake and hit something few meters from the road, it's not too much related to being unlucky anymore. If you come out without impact, you can call it luck.

edit: one clear metric - even Neuville himself is not calling it being unlucky.

I've only seen pictures as I wasn't able to watch so you can take my judgement in perspective.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/80237_0f0964fd-34ed-4e43-8823-d381e289cab9.jpg

[Kras]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/80237_0f0964fd-34ed-4e43-8823-d381e289cab9.jpg

Why didnt they flip them over?

[cali]

Ott was very smooth on this stage, really neat driving. Reminds me of last years Kalle's driving, really pretty for the eye and the clock likes it as well.

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[dimviii]

Issues have been hitting Sébastien Ogier thick and fast on Croatia Rally.

After a difficult Friday in which he picked up two punctures and then subsequently hit with a one-minute penalty for a seatbelt infringement, Ogier would have been hoping his Saturday would get off to a smoother start.

But no sooner had that thought crossed his mind, problems arose once again.

Heading down to Saturday’s opening stage, Ogier discovered a problem on his GR Yaris Rally1. He has remained tight-lipped on what the exact issue was but it did force him to stop on the road section before the test and enter ‘full mechanic’ mode.

“I will not disclose that one, but yeah, there was a little mistake done and yeah we did our best to fix it on the road section,” Ogier said when asked what the problem was.

“So yeah it was hard to the rest, I mean at the end it’s the smallest problem we’ve had so far, but still one more.

“So hopefully we are done now with all the issues and can keep the same pace and see where it brings us.”

Although Ogier picked up a 10-second penalty for arriving to the stage late, it would appear that he’s definitely not lost any mechanical skills as he went on to end the first three stages of the loop second fastest before going quickest in the final test of the morning.

And he later stated that once the repair was complete, there were no real issues with the car.

“Yeah, the car is fine,” he said.

“It must’ve been a little geometry issue maybe but not that big. So at least I had no understeering, the car was a bit oversteering this morning.

“But I don’t need to make big changes, it depends on the forecast if it stays like this we’re going to have similar conditions to the morning and basically it will only be a small adjustment.”

However, while his mechanical skills certainly seem impressive, given he was so quick on Saturday’s morning loop, he still thinks he’s better at changing tires.

“I was [in full mechanic mode],” he explained.

“I’m not so good at it anymore. I used to be maybe.

“I started to be good at changing wheels to be honest. I’ve had good practice, a lot of practice.

“But yeah that was a bit bigger work and yeah when you’re on the road section with not all the tools you want, not the perfect position you want to be, it’s sometimes a bit challenging.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-had-to-go-full-mechanic-mode-on-morning-road-section/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak: "The car has been working well."

[Kras]

Tanak: "The car has been working well."

Didn't have that on my bingo card

[meh]

Now comes stages where Evans was faster than Tänak on 1st pass.

[EstWRC]

Tanak: "The car has been working well."

They were joking on Estonian tv that he says this only once a year and this year is ticked now

[dimviii]

Now comes stages where Evans was faster than Tänak on 1st pass.

only 3 seconds

[Rallyper]

Pajari doing good!

I like him and Emil. Both are humble young gentlemen and nice representants for the sport.

[dimviii]

Ciamin roll
https://twitter.com/eWRCresults/status/1649792386317402112

[meh]

only 3 seconds

... only ...

and if he can do it again, it's decisive for the win I guess. If he can not, it can go other way around.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/80237_341837731_954770229046260_476907476924082572 3_n.jpg

[Tauri_J]

I would be more than satisfied with Ott’s 2nd place. 7!!! Gravel events coming

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great coverage of the WRC2 here.

[meh]

Great coverage of the WRC2 here.

Phrase "Great coverage of the WRC2" in this forum sounds like "Car is working well" from Ott Tänak :D

[rp]

Phrase "Great coverage of the WRC2" in this forum sounds like "Car is working well" from Ott Tänak :D

That´s true! :)

[SubaruNorway]

watch Solbergs spin ,veeeeery lucky he didnt touch anything
https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1649743099068051457

Too fast and wrong line over the crest, strange blaming no gravel crew for that one

[dimviii]

Kalle 2,7 slower from first pass
Ogier 2,6 slower from first pass

[dimviii]

Kalle 1,3 from Ogier at general

[meh]

Tänak loosing a lot, Evans can fight back.

[EstWRC]

Puma doesn’t like dirty stages. Both Tänaks and Loubet with horrible times here

Evans will get the gap back

[meh]

Puma doesn’t like dirty stages. Both Tänaks and Loubet with horrible times here

Evans will get the gap back

Some handbrake issue as well.

[TypeR]

Fcking disaster, no handbrake :D

[EstWRC]

Well done Evans. I can’t see losing this now

[TypeR]

Well done Evans. I can’t see losing this now
+16.8s and 70km's to go.. nothing done yet.

[dimviii]

Gryazin 4,2 faster from Rossel midstage

edit

Gryazin now 13,3 from Rossel,game on.

[Kras]

Well done Evans. I can’t see losing this now

I can. Its Evans, hes cursed

[EstWRC]

Fcking disaster, no handbrake :D

It would be a milestone for the team to have one rally without any problems

Just unbelievable this little problems all the time

[dimviii]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-0943385b-3d42-4615-975e-b729895bdf8b.jpg

[denkimi]

Well done Evans. I can’t see losing this now

remember how he couldn't lose the championship in 2020? he just needed to get to the finish.

[dimviii]

Pellier with engine problems,stage on road mode

https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1649815722200006656

[EstWRC]

remember how he couldn't lose the championship in 2020? he just needed to get to the finish.

Well I hope he does it. He has been driving very well and with no mistakes. His last win was Finland 2021

[Tauri_J]

Well done Evans. I can’t see losing this now

I have lost count on how many rallies he has lost on sundays

[meh]

Boah, Tänak loosing again a lot. So it's now getting the points home.

[EstWRC]

Hallelujah seems ford striking again it seems

E: Ott didn’t even know why it is like that

[manthey]

So 25 sec between elfyn and ott

Weather forecast for tomorrow?

[Danny0405]

11.5s between Rossel and Gryazin, Toksport and Citroen’s photography teams are ready :D

[Kras]

So 25 sec between elfyn and ott

Weather forecast for tomorrow?

100% dry

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak jinxed it saying the car was working well. :(

[dimviii]

11.5s between Rossel and Gryazin, Toksport and Citroen’s photography teams are ready :D

hahahaha

[ictus]

Neuville's crash from outside:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHYSeRtfDk

[dimviii]

Neuville's crash from outside:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHYSeRtfDk

we can say that was lucky that it hit this concrete pipe.Car was going straight to the trees,and doubt if the roll cage would be ok to run the power stage

[denkimi]

we can say that was lucky that it hit this concrete pipe.Car was going straight to the trees,and doubt if the roll cage would be ok to run the power stage
At that speed, nothing would be wrong with the rollcage.

But it was just too fast. Without the dirt he would have made it.

[ictus]

At that speed, nothing would be wrong with the rollcage.

But it was just too fast. Without the dirt he would have made it.

I'd say he turned in too early...

[EstWRC]

Tänak saying the problems were related to transmission, hydraulics and handbrake

Says second place is also good but still a lot of work to do with the car

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There still wont be any.team orders at Toyota...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/latvala-wont-ask-ogier-to-slow-for-rovanpera/

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/JeGRTm8ukjc

https://youtu.be/7jsV9wcHHsE

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230423/4544a2b1c75f2af6c90840fc43158ad0.jpg

[EstWRC]

Again ford problems, Loubet doesn’t have power

[AnttiL]

Again ford problems, Loubet doesn’t have power

no stage mode.

[EstWRC]

Tänak can’t wait to end this. Seems he is so afraid the car will break down again

[bandit12]

Tänak can’t wait to end this. Seems he is so afraid the car will break down again

Look Dirtfish morning interviews. His car is leaking oil pretty badly.

[Rallyest]

I rarely root for Neuville, but i feel so bad for him for crashing out yesterday, you can see he genually cared about Craig and really wanted to deliver that win for him, hope he gets atleast the PS win

[EstWRC]

Look Dirtfish morning interviews. His car is leaking oil pretty badly.

Oh well. Was it already before the first stage then?

This is just purely unacceptable

[EstWRC]

found it https://youtu.be/B33Jm5RFTWI?t=851

so it indeed was already after comign out of service....

[Kras]

found it https://youtu.be/B33Jm5RFTWI?t=851

so it indeed was already after comign out of service....

Hey, atleast the leak is in the wheel arch so it can lubricate his tyre 🤣

[EstWRC]

Bent steering for Loubet…

[Rallyper]

Tanak oil leakage could be brakefluid?

[dimviii]

Tanak oil leakage could be brakefluid?

no its not brake fluid,too black color

[EstWRC]

Doesn’t seem to effect him much. Quite a good time from this stage

[Rallyper]

no its not brake fluid,too black color

However oils always goes black when spilled on tarmac..?

[dimviii]

However oils always goes black when spilled on tarmac..?

yes.
Solberg 0.7 from Lindholm

[Rallyest]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qooiYTJeAns&feature=share


Very bad look

[skarderud]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qooiYTJeAns&feature=share


Very bad lookGarbage people.
These are not fans.

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[doubled1978]

Garbage people.
These are not fans.

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Incredible. The rest of society has to live with these people around us.
I feel sorry for the Marshalls in this as they are not there to deal with this kind of idiot.

[dimviii]

Pellier seems engine didnt manage for the last stage.Pitty

[ouvreur]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qooiYTJeAns&feature=share


Very bad look

That is without doubt the most disgusting spectator behaviour I've ever seen.

It's a miracle nobody was killed. Ten seconds later, and they're dead. And on this event, in these circumstances?

Those involved need to be identified and punished. Never mind being banned from attending rallies, they need to face legal consequences for that.

[ouvreur]

However oils always goes black when spilled on tarmac..?
More or less. I'd say this fluid was engine oil though - I think all the cars have their overflow tanks / breathers around the position where it's leaking on Ott's car.

[EstWRC]

“Yeah, basically I braked slightly late,” Neuville explained to DirtFish.

“I think half a meter, meter would be fine, but I entered in the cut and locked up both inside wheels, so the rear stepped out and it was done.”


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuville-now-knows-why-he-crashed-on-ss11/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qooiYTJeAns&feature=share


Very bad look

These are the people that NOT should be calling retards, not forum rally fans wanting better safety.

[meh]

That is without doubt the most disgusting spectator behaviour I've ever seen.

It's a miracle nobody was killed. Ten seconds later, and they're dead. And on this event, in these circumstances?

Those involved need to be identified and punished. Never mind being banned from attending rallies, they need to face legal consequences for that.

If I remember correctly, Rally Poland got kicked of from the series because lack of security. Additionally to lives of involved ones, this behavior puts future of the rally on the risk.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

More or less. I'd say this fluid was engine oil though - I think all the cars have their overflow tanks / breathers around the position where it's leaking on Ott's car.

Whatever it was Ott & Martin weren't the least bit bothered. It also seems there is plenty of time between the stages today to monitor it.

[Kras]

You see what's on the ground at the start right.

Totally impossible to predict that situations like this can happen when you let some drivers compete.

What slovenian driver is responsible for this?

[AndersX]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qooiYTJeAns&feature=share


Very bad look

Oh, bcs of this organizer will get marks; if this would go bad, all even could be under threat.

[ictus]

You see what's on the ground at the start right.

Totally impossible to predict that situations like this can happen when you let some drivers compete.

That's a Slovenian flag ;)

[bomber21]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qooiYTJeAns&feature=share


Very bad look
This is what drinking does. I never understood why people drink so much.

Arrest them now or ban Rally Croatia for ever.

[meh]

Actually, as the situation was not under control, it was red-flag situation.

[Kras]

This is what drinking does. I never understood why people drink so much.

Arrest them now or ban Rally Croatia for ever.

There 0 chance they are not arrested already. You can see cops there in the video

[TypeR]

Fourmaux going very fast with Fiesta rally2 car, very good PS from him.

Seems like both Ford cars have improved on tarmac..

[Eli]

After that incident I don’t intend to come and spectate the event in 2024, I’ve thought of doing so but that was before Breen so coupled with that & the incident with Ogier in 2021 it’s a hard pass from me. I honestly hope we won’t see this event next year on the calendar, yes the landscapes & the stages are nice but this could’ve easily been another disaster. At the very least I’d give this event a red flag for them to sort out things like these.

[EstWRC]

Fourmaux going very fast with Fiesta rally2 car, very good PS from him.

Seems like both Ford cars have improved on tarmac..

Yep they have

If only they would get rid of all the gremlins

[meh]

Rally2 - nice to see:
* Pajari is driving with head, showing good speed and does not go over the limit to take risks whihc he can not handle
* Fourmaux + M-Sport Rally2 car showing competitive speed

Quite confused what Solberg was doing there. Probably half of stage-end interview's contained the word "shit". In context of describing driving or what kind of road condition he wants.

[Kras]

After that incident I don’t intend to come and spectate the event in 2024, I’ve thought of doing so but that was before Breen so coupled with that & the incident with Ogier in 2021 it’s a hard pass from me. I honestly hope we won’t see this event next year on the calendar, yes the landscapes & the stages are nice but this could’ve easily been another disaster. At the very least I’d give this event a red flag for them to sort out things like these.

I understand you concerns regarding spectators behaving like morons. But what could have the organisers possibly done about Ogier being complete asshole on the public road?

[sinepikohv]

Oliver just had a wrong set up. His car was tailored for mud and rain, like we had last year. Hopefully Oliver can learn from this.

[Kras]

I think skoda should add a center latch on the hood. The hood flaps up and down like crazy, must mess with the aero

[becher]

If I remember correctly, Rally Poland got kicked of from the series because lack of security. Additionally to lives of involved ones, this behavior puts future of the rally on the risk.

Yeah the event really grew on me despite my early criticism of it replacing tarmac classics. But as I live not to far a way and it was a fabulous event to watch last year I really hope it sticks around a bit longer as I coudn't go this year but would like to go again in the future.

TLDR: Hopfully it doesn't "kill" the event.

[Eli]

I understand you concerns regarding spectators behaving like morons. But what could have the organisers possibly done about Ogier being complete asshole on the public road?

For Ogier not much, but it’s all these elements together.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville enjoyed that !

[Rallyper]

Rally2 - nice to see:
* Pajari is driving with head, showing good speed and does not go over the limit to take risks whihc he can not handle
* Fourmaux + M-Sport Rally2 car showing competitive speed

Quite confused what Solberg was doing there. Probably half of stage-end interview's contained the word "shit". In context of describing driving or what kind of road condition he wants.

Solberg mission was /is totally clear. he did what he should here.

[Kras]

What is this mythical "Taka that impressed us all last year" that comentators keep talking about?

[Pršljen]

After that incident I don’t intend to come and spectate the event in 2024, I’ve thought of doing so but that was before Breen so coupled with that & the incident with Ogier in 2021 it’s a hard pass from me. I honestly hope we won’t see this event next year on the calendar, yes the landscapes & the stages are nice but this could’ve easily been another disaster. At the very least I’d give this event a red flag for them to sort out things like these.

This is the most stupid reasoning I've ever seen.

You have idiots on most rallies and there are peoeple who are responsible for dealimg with these sort of things. Let them decide whether the rally is suitable for the calendar. Do not judge the whole rally based on this isolated incident that got filmed, there are thousands of spectators (99%) who did nothing wrong.

Mentioning Breen's tragedy, that could've happen anywhere, and Ogier's incident on public road is beyond good taste

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well done EP. Great job in the circumstances.

[EstWRC]

Tänak with no pace at all

[becher]

What is this mythical "Taka that impressed us all last year" that comentators keep talking about?
I think he won stages here last year and they expected him to improve. I've only seen how far he is of the lead and didn't read here about any big problems so I guess he was lost here?

[EstWRC]

Absolutely mystified how the speed of Tänak and Ford disappeared from yesterday penultimate stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame it ended with the top 2 settling for their overall places.

[jonkka]

Shame it ended with the top 2 settling for their overall places.

That's how it goes when they know that there's little to gain and a lot to lose.

[Kras]

I think he won stages here last year and they expected him to improve. I've only seen how far he is of the lead and didn't read here about any big problems so I guess he was lost here?

Im sure he didnt win any stages here last year and he was 6th overall.

Hes been lost on almost every rally he entered

[meh]

and Ogier still leading ...

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[Kras]

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Ott secured himsefl a decent starting position

[EstWRC]

Amazing how tight the standings look

Thierry actually didn’t loose much with this rally. Just 11 points adrift

[RS]

Greensmith took the WRC2 power stage win.

Impressive speed again from him this weekend when he wasn’t having punctures.

[meh]

Congrats to Evans!

Glad that Tänak delivered nice points despite all the problems he had again. Punctures for Ogier and Rovanperä gave bonus for sure.

Glad that Lappi reached to the finish and got podium for the team.

It was nice that they did not canceled the rally. It was not funerals, it was enjoyable rally, and Breen was remembered and respected.

Takeaway - people should be also that much valued when/till they are alive.

[Kras]

Im really happy Evans broke the curse. And he did it on an event that the curse started on

[mknight]

Greensmith took the WRC2 power stage win.

Impressive speed again from him this weekend when he wasn’t having punctures.

I don't see much difference between him and the other 3 Fabia drivers (Gryazin, Solberg, Lindholm), also considering he just did a test rally and drove here every year. Sure relative to expectation before the season that can be seen as impressive.

When Rossel beats them all by over 10s on the first stage, it is easy to see the punctures as pressure-induced errors.

[mknight]

Im really happy Evans broke the curse. And he did it on an event that the curse started on

Curse of result yes.

Curse of speed (with Rally1) not (yet?), effectively he was 4th fastest car over the weekend.

[EstWRC]

4 rallies in and Hyundai still without a win but i can see Neuville or Lappi having a good chance for it in Portugal with their starting positions

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's how it goes when they know that there's little to gain and a lot to lose.

But especially when it's so close every point could be vital at the end of the season. When Ogier was doing the full Championship he always still took the chance to get more PS points...

[dnb]

Why did Evans/Martin flip the Irish flag in the podium ceremony?

[AnttiL]

These are the people that NOT should be calling retards, not forum rally fans wanting better safety.

Pretty sure NOT himself is one of those two

[becher]

Im sure he didnt win any stages here last year and he was 6th overall.

Hes been lost on almost every rally he entered
Hmm then they f**** up in a preview program.

[Eli]

What is this mythical "Taka that impressed us all last year" that comentators keep talking about?

The only reason he impressed was his consistency and the fact he'd picked up the points Craig unfortunately lost, as for speed, he's nowhere near close to even Fourmaux dare I say, he has a good car under his belt and he's consistent, that's all.

[WUff1]

Why did Evans/Martin flip the Irish flag in the podium ceremony?

Maybe you think a little bit about it and ask yourself this question again.

[EstWRC]

Passats De Canto video

https://youtu.be/-_ENj5eI-_A

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/YPgegwvvA3c

[macebig]

What the f were these morons doing? Fighting inside a live stage and ignoring marshalls and police? I hope they spend some time in jail for their stupidity. That could have ended very very badly.

[EstWRC]

Rallyechrono vid

https://youtu.be/t7VIOSrytOY

[dimviii]

De Villers video
watch at 3,35 same pass from fabia,c3,i20
wish we had more footage such this from wrc cars too.
https://youtu.be/yumirQ1-6Pc

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/GRWOdFVrPT0

[bt52b]

What the f were these morons doing? Fighting inside a live stage and ignoring marshalls and police? I hope they spend some time in jail for their stupidity. That could have ended very very badly.

Seen a report that Police are dealing with them

[gaudino69]

back from Croatia, dry roads, people everywhere and incredible pilots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWOdFVrPT0

[the sniper]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qooiYTJeAns&feature=share


Very bad look


Anyone with another link? WRC Promoter claimed/erased it...

[MartijnS]

https://youtu.be/xDAck1Za3w8

[sinepikohv]

What is this mythical "Taka that impressed us all last year" that comentators keep talking about?

Overall I think that All Live was good this weekend. I really enjoyed seeing a lot of WRC2 cars, even the gentleman driver's!

But what Kras referred to is something that irritates me immensely. I'm not saying that Taka is a worthless driver or that he shouldn't be driving, but the All Live crew is not objective. I mean, according to them, everyone is good and fast and reliable and sometimes the car breaks down but not too often.

But that's BS and I'm sure they know it too. Let's take Taka as an example: yes, he has two podiums that came with smart drives. But he is not fast. On rallies that should feel like home to him (Finland, Sweden and Estonia) he hasn't been able to challenge for the podium. So I'm sorry, but in terms of Rally1 cars he is not fast, he is bang on average.

And I understand why the All Live crew says those safe things. I think that rallying does not need hot takes from the NBA, where clowns say X, Y and Z, because the rally fans do not need this, we have Luke Barry for that. But rallying does need to be objective and I don't find there's any harm in admitting the truth. It's not like NOT (the user here, to be exact) will be on air and say that Taka should build regular Toyota's in a factory rather than killing his enjoyment of watching a WRC event. There's nothing wrong in saying that Taka is consistent both in terms of pace and positions. But the word "impress" is too strong for him overall, I think.

[AnttiL]

I think Taka impressed by being a consistent finisher and being third in the points after Portugal. He finished in top 8 in all rallies of 2022 except NZ where he went off (also went off in Monte but lost only so little time that finished 8th).

Also remember that these people are working for WRC Promoter and teams are paying a big money to be a part of the series. They cannot say much negative things. Finally it's a part of British politeness.

[Kras]

https://youtu.be/xDAck1Za3w8

This is a problem that isn't specific to WRC. It is similar in other small communities. Skateboarding, for example, suffers from the same toxic positivity. Everything is great, pros are all gnarly, innovative, awesome, can do no wrong.

I think it's due to a combination of 2 factors:
1. everyone knows eachother and is too close to make and objective judgement. Either out of courtesy or out of fear of conflict
2. Competitors and teams hold too much power and getting in a conflict with them would make future coverage har or impossible.

It seems to be that there is such a power disbalance in WRC that FIA and the promoter have to tiptoe around teams out of fear of losing them.

[Kras]

I think Taka impressed by being a consistent finisher and being third in the points after Portugal. He finished in top 8 in all rallies of 2022 except NZ where he went off (also went off in Monte but lost only so little time that finished 8th).

Also remember that these people are working for WRC Promoter and teams are paying a big money to be a part of the series. They cannot say much negative things. Finally it's a part of British politeness.

If you ever seen British football coverage, you'd see how unpolite they can be :)
It's, like you said, because in WRC teams have the journalists by the balls

[meh]

In general I like the positive tone instead of ranting, teasing, offending etc, but it should stay realistic.

And in practice, if they could start offending someone, they have the risk that they will not have any (normal) interview with those persons anymore. There is team-feeling and it's even stronger there for a while now due the Breen incident.

[Kras]

In general I like the positive tone instead of ranting, teasing, offending etc, but it should stay realistic.

And in practice, if they could start offending someone, they have the risk that they will not have any (normal) interview with those persons anymore. There is team-feeling and it's even stronger there for a while now due the Breen incident.

Theres a simple solution to make the coverage more objective and professional. Go back to selling broadcasts to tv networks who can cover it without bias, as their careers dont depend on not offending the Toyota CEO

[denkimi]

I think Taka impressed by being a consistent finisher and being third in the points after Portugal. He finished in top 8 in all rallies of 2022 except NZ where he went off (also went off in Monte but lost only so little time that finished 8th).
But in how many of those rallies did we have more than 8 wrc cars without superrally at the finish?

He is not terrible, but we all know that he wouldn't be in a wrc car if he wasn't japanese.

[meh]

Seems, that for me it's not that big problem if they try to be "too nice".

I say, that this time in general I don't have too much to complain - technically it worked, no (stream or web environment) interruptions, Rally2 got nice coverage.

And actually I like that instead of "how disappointed are you?" (Molly's default question previously) they (Molly, Seb) now serve the positive outcomes for drivers. I would say good job!

here (in this forum) we need to clarify: this is my opinion, not the ultimate truth. If you are different opinion, I'm ok that you can keep yours and I don't try to convince anyone here.

[becher]

It is a very interesting discussion. Indeed the problem of fake positivity and totally uncritical feel good "journalism" is a function of everyone being in it together. The All Live people are working for the promoter so everything must be fine and dandy and stuff like Dirtfish ( not an established print media) is also heavily dependent on making it all look picture perfect.

Mind you this problem isn't unique to the WRC, since Ecclestone is gone and the circus muppets of Liberty took over its the same there. The journalists work for FOM so every driver is super talented and super nice, every team is doing a great job and for sure every race was a cracker. F1 related online media can be similar to Dirtfish but thanks to a bigger audience they can go bit further with their journalism but when you compare them to long standing print like Motorsport Magazine it's night and day. They are not dependant and can and will through shit at the promoter when it's deserved. In short we need something like Motorsport Magazine to put everyone in the current promoter bubble back in check.

[AndyRAC]

There's a simple solution to make the coverage more objective and professional. Go back to selling broadcasts to tv networks who can cover it without bias, as their careers don't depend on not offending the Toyota CEO

Yes, I agree. Sports series that have their own coverage are all the same; they're never objective or critical. You can be critical whilst remaining polite and reasonable.....but they won't do this; understandably.

[meh]

But can you can an example as well? What this all-live could say instead of what they said (to satisfy your understanding of being objective)?

[becher]

But can you can an example as well? What this all-live could say instead of what they said (to satisfy your understanding of being objective)?
I don't think it is about the commentators slamming Taka when he is 15 seconds of on a stage but rather being a bit more honest about drivers like him or Greensmith. Greensmith was no muppet at the wheel of a Rally1 but when no journalist is willing to acknowledge that he is a well heeled and quick gentleman driver it rubs people the wrong way and you get the Greensmith crash jokes or that Taka shouldn't be in a Rally1.

But we must also understand that the talent depth in rallying is so small that there are very few drivers out there who would be as quick as Taka in a Rally1, even if he is sometimes miles of.

[PLuto]

Fourmaux going very fast with Fiesta rally2 car, very good PS from him.

Seems like both Ford cars have improved on tarmac..

Finally they started to do a proper development. But still lot of work in front of them, especially around engine. But count with times on Sunday (and especially on powerstage) is not so significant - lot of fights were finished so competitors were only trying to reach the finish, there were different conditions for the drivers (for example Greensmith was starting almost one hour later than Fourmaux, with more dirty road after previous cars), also tyre choice was important...

[PLuto]

Greensmith took the WRC2 power stage win.

Impressive speed again from him this weekend when he wasn’t having punctures.

Good tyre choice was the most important for his winning the powerstage.

[doubled1978]

I’m not sure what people want asked at stage ends, but when Seb or Molly says “You dropped 20 seconds in there, what was the reason?” I think that’s about as much as they can say, they aren’t going to hit them with “Wow, 20 seconds in 10km! You’re in the wrong job mate, stealing a living”.
In rally, part of the problem is they all get asked the same thing 18-20 times over a weekend.

In terms of the talent pool in WRC, it is shallow, but when we have at best only 9 Rally 1 cars, it is disappointing when 2 of them are not filled with the best candidates. (Loubet/Taka).

[AnttiL]

Good tyre choice was the most important for his winning the powerstage.

and going slow saving the tyres during the morning.

[meh]

In terms of the talent pool in WRC, it is shallow, but when we have at best only 9 Rally 1 cars, it is disappointing when 2 of them are not filled with the best candidates. (Loubet/Taka).

As I understand, as their place is "sponsored", they don't take away anyone's elses place away. From this point of view, I prefer to have them compared to not have those extra cars.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is the problem with the Rally1 cars... unless another manufacturer or two join the WRC (v.unlikely), there will only be a few seats available due to the crazy costs for a privateer.

Whilst it's been good seeing these amazing machines and the previous-gen WRC1 cars, but it's not been healthy for the sport overall.

The WRC has made its bed and now has to lie in it.

[Managarium]

Remember those guys that were fighting on stage, just a seconds before Ogier came in?
Well today they were arrested and the judge gave them a sentence of 760 € + 20 € of administration costs to each one of three of them.

https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/osuden-trojac-koji-je-izazvao-kaos-na-wrc-u-objavljeno-i-zasto-je-doslo-do-incidenta-na-stazi-15328921?fbclid=IwAR0QnN6c1fpv3QnzG1VXY449AFIoaVFQ dmRWIhvQ66fyXkzueu7fAMnVd_E

[Managarium]

A new video from different angle of croatian fist fight and reason why it happened.

https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/procurila-nova-snimka-tucnjave-na-reliju-podivljao-jer-se-po-njemu-prolilo-pice/2457787.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0AT4Is10ctHS5uLBVVLgfaZotx G5PGdrKkHECmoGrYsoc1kUVhqo2aGVs

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/rallyemag/status/1650468554666397697

[macebig]

They got away pretty lightly,imo. It was an incredibly stupid situation and the punishment should have been harsher. Send them to jail for some time (not something enormous - maybe a week or so-) plus some social service.

[Kras]

They got away pretty lightly,imo. It was an incredibly stupid situation and the punishment should have been harsher. Send them to jail for some time (not something enormous - maybe a week or so-) plus some social service.

You cant make up the sentence according to how you feel. Theres no such sentence prescribed for this kind of effence

[drive]

nice hairpin near the castle https://youtu.be/nxRz3lMvges

[sinepikohv]

But we must also understand that the talent depth in rallying is so small that there are very few drivers out there who would be as quick as Taka in a Rally1, even if he is sometimes miles of.

I don't agree with that. I think that both Nil Solans and Huttunen for example have shown in the last couple of years that rookies can be decent behind the wheel of a top class car even in their first start. So to me it's quite obvious that the top WRC2 guys would be better.

So it's not about the lack of depth of drivers. Unfortunately there are few teams/cars and it's way too expensive for talents to give it a go on their own. You need a big sponsor or support from the federation and those things are hard to come by.

[ReRe]

Do you have any explanation of what are these yellow things hanging in the air? It´s on every onboard from SS13 at this place.
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[Morte66]

Do you have any explanation of what are these yellow things hanging in the air? It´s on every onboard from SS13 at this place.
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They look like out-of-focus points of light, aka "specular highlights". Those are common photographic phenomenon. Given their position in the frame, I suspect they're reflections rather than the actual point of light.

They could be specs of water on glass in front of the camera, but they'd have to be quite some distance from the lens or they'd be more blurred. Not sure how that would happen.

[ReRe]

They look like out-of-focus points of light, aka "specular highlights". Those are common photographic phenomenon. Given their position in the frame, I suspect they're reflections rather than the actual point of light.

They could be specs of water on glass in front of the camera, but they'd have to be quite some distance from the lens or they'd be more blurred. Not sure how that would happen.

Yeah but as I wrote, they are on every onboard from different cars and different cameras (on POV camera and also FX camera)

[satnav]

On a side note, i've just noticed that the two videos on youtube regarding the fighting at the stage have now been removed due to a copyright claim by WRC Promoter GmbH........

Thankfully they haven't noticed all the other action videos yet........

[sinepikohv]

Deleting the inconvenient truth is not a good step, dear Promoter.

[flat_right]

copyright claim by WRC Promoter GmbH... what the hell? Did WRC promoter make those videos?

[Franky]

copyright claim by WRC Promoter GmbH... what the hell? Did WRC promoter make those videos?

It's a bit more complicated than just who films a clip.

[AnttiL]

copyright claim by WRC Promoter GmbH... what the hell? Did WRC promoter make those videos?
Only the promoter has rights to publish video clips of a moving rally car on stage. In this case, they are using it just to remove bad publicity. It's obvious they don't go around deleting all rally videos on youtube, although they could.

[drive]

Only the promoter has rights to publish video clips of a moving rally car on stage. In this case, they are using it just to remove bad publicity. It's obvious they don't go around deleting all rally videos on youtube, although they could.

thanks god WRC Promoter GmbH doesn't do as Dakar rally promoters Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO)- ASO is very strict on this...

[flat_right]

Only the promoter has rights to publish video clips of a moving rally car on stage. In this case, they are using it just to remove bad publicity. It's obvious they don't go around deleting all rally videos on youtube, although they could.

Is it your guess or has it been written somewhere in black and white? For sure it is forbidden to upload All-Live material but when I go to rallies, I haven't seen any signs that tell me I can't film here or when I buy the ticket then I have to agree somewhere that actually every video I take of a moving rally car, actually belongs to WRC Promoter.

[drive]

on main page for spectators.....

[Kras]

They probably don't have the legal grounds to take amateur footage down. It's just youtube siding with the publishers by default. They count on noone beimg willing to go trough the trouble of taking them to court over it

[rallyfiend]

Is it your guess or has it been written somewhere in black and white? For sure it is forbidden to upload All-Live material but when I go to rallies, I haven't seen any signs that tell me I can't film here or when I buy the ticket then I have to agree somewhere that actually every video I take of a moving rally car, actually belongs to WRC Promoter.

I think it would depend on whether the event is ticketed or not. In which case it's probably in the standard terms and conditions for entry when purchasing a ticket.

You Tube and Facebook generally don't like videos that show fighting / violence, so I imagine they didn't have to work very hard to get that video taken down.

[mousti]

I think it was in the terms written of Ypres Rally that it was forbidden indeed.

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[ReRe]

Yeah but as I wrote, they are on every onboard from different cars and different cameras (on POV camera and also FX camera)

Mystery is solved, according to this photo these are probably paper plates sticked on some branches :D
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[EstWRC]

J-records vid

https://youtu.be/yK9-ZBI0sao

[Devillersvideo]

My best of :D

https://youtu.be/yumirQ1-6Pc

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[satnav]

All WRC web pages have it in the spectator sections now, this is taken from Rally Finland page;

https://sectorallyfinland.fi/en/taking-pictures-videos/


All rally fans are free to take photos on the special stages – in the areas where spectators are allowed – and share their photos in for example social media. However, please respect the privacy of other rally-goers. The safety stewards and other Rally Finland officials have the right to prevent picture taking in certain situations, for example if there is a safety risk involved in taking a photo.

Rights to all moving images are the property of WRC Promoter GmbH. Any video-footage shown outside your own home requires an agreement with the rights holder, who also have the right to request the removal of unauthorised material from any website or other distribution channel.

[the sniper]

I highly doubt their claims would stand up legally in many countries where the footage was taken in a public place (definitions of a such will vary by country), at least. They've just copied this from sports that take place in/on private venues and have truly controlled access. I think they're pushing their luck as it is, I doubt they'll go much further with their claiming of footage beyond attempts to erase some of the more ugly incidents from the most public platforms. Not that I agree with their dubious attempts here to control the image of the sport. If there were to be graphic footage of a fatality at a WRC event floating about though, I would be more understanding of their efforts.

[EstWRC]

Zeroundersteer vid

https://youtu.be/nieb-bGcDhk

[meh]

I highly doubt their claims would stand up legally in many countries where the footage was taken in a public place (definitions of a such will vary by country), at least. They've just copied this from sports that take place in/on private venues and have truly controlled access. I think they're pushing their luck as it is, I doubt they'll go much further with their claiming of footage beyond attempts to erase some of the more ugly incidents from the most public platforms. Not that I agree with their dubious attempts here to control the image of the sport. If there were to be graphic footage of a fatality at a WRC event floating about though, I would be more understanding of their efforts.

I don't remember anymore from where I read it, but the point was - all the footage from WRC event belongs to promoter.

[EstWRC]

that what they say but i agree with user The Sniper, im also sure it isnt that black and white

[macebig]

Different story from Dirtfish regarding the much discussed incident with spectators. They claim that their sentence was in fact a week in jail, instead of the 700€ fine Croatian media published.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-three-croatia-rally-spectators-were-jailed/

[Kras]

Different story from Dirtfish regarding the much discussed incident with spectators. They claim that their sentence was in fact a week in jail, instead of the 700€ fine Croatian media published.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-three-croatia-rally-spectators-were-jailed/

It was 700€, or a week in jail. Most sentences for minor offences are given that way

[SubaruNorway]

I don't remember anymore from where I read it, but the point was - all the footage from WRC event belongs to promoter.

It kind of is, they can take it and use it if they want to without asking, which has happened before, but usually you get paid with a free year of WRC+ if you get something really good and send it in. Red Bull Media claimed lots of video's by a mistake some years ago but we got them back within some days. The free promotion and extra eyes out there is very valuable for the WRC, i think they understand that, on a track it's a bit different.

[denkimi]

I don't remember anymore from where I read it, but the point was - all the footage from WRC event belongs to promoter.
They can try and claim that, but that doesn't make it legally true.

If you have bought a ticket to get to view the cars they might have some basis, although dubious. But they can not put any legal claim onto someone who has not done so, as they have no contract with them whatsoever.
This is not a closed circuit, these are public roads, there are people living there. If they want to claim all video material they will have to make sure nobody without a ticket is able to film anything.

[240RS]

They can try and claim that, but that doesn't make it legally true.

If you have bought a ticket to get to view the cars they might have some basis, although dubious. But they can not put any legal claim onto someone who has not done so, as they have no contract with them whatsoever.
This is not a closed circuit, these are public roads, there are people living there. If they want to claim all video material they will have to make sure nobody without a ticket is able to film anything.

Legally, not a chance would they win a case in any court.

Footage taken and beamed by the host broadcaster is their property. Likewise, footage generated by any fan or professional is their own as well. Beaming to an audience, via whatever media, remains the prerogative of the owner of the footage. The FIA and the officially contracted rights holder wield the stick on event organisers as well as non-factory competitors to ensure they maintain some public beaming exclusivity. This has in the past hampered event organisers and local, non-factory drivers from generating much needed content for their own publicity.

[EstWRC]

Neuville SS20 onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upgb6ZIYCEk

Ogier/Tänak onboard SS13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xdxyEncjY

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuRQSY-XoAc5LWY?format=jpg&name=medium