[WRC] Rally Finland 2023

[AnttiL]

First pieces of the route are known in the form of road closure permissions from the City of Jyväskylä indicating that Harju continues as the super special on Thursday and Friday.

The route should be released this month. There's some rumors circulating, indicating once again nicely updated route with some old stages returning onto the route.

[Fiesta]

Fridays road closures state that Harju will probably be driven in the evening as the last stage of the day. Not like last year, when it was in the middle of Fridays special stages.

[br21]

28.02 should be route presentation

[Tauri_J]

Any hope for Ouninpohja?

[AnttiL]

Any hope for Ouninpohja?

I think not more than in the past few years

[Rallyper]

28.02 should be route presentation

Really looking forward to that date...

[satnav]

Really looking forward to that date...

As are a lot of folk ......

[Rallyper]

Really looking forward to that date...

Let´s see if we get another, "thea inspired visit" this year (internal joke), Chris.

[satnav]

Let´s see if we get another, "thea inspired visit" this year (internal joke), Chris.

You never know what I could pull out off the hat Per, last years was very interesting.

[Rallyper]

Route presentation Tuesday 28.2 at 1400 hrs CET in Helsinki.

https://sectorallyfinland.fi/2023/02/22/secto-rally-finlandin-2023-reitti-julkistetaan-28-2-itiksessa/

[Rallyper]

My thought was this would be Live... Or?
The website and FB is totally dead at 1400 hrs CET.

[AnttiL]

https://sectorallyfinland.fi/reitti/

Thursday 3.8.
09:01 Shakedown, Rannankylä (4.48 km)

19:05 SS1 Harju 1 (3.48 km)

19:40 Service A, Jyväskylä Paviljonki

Total length of Day 1 special stages: 3.48 km

Friday 4.8.
08:05 SS2 Laukaa 1 (11.78 km)

09:03 SS3 Lankamaa 1 (14.21 km)

10:21 SS4 Myhinpää 1 (15.51 km)

11:35 SS5 Halttula 1 (9.14 km)

13:05 Service B, Jyväskylä Paviljonki

14:35 SS6 Laukaa 2 (11.78 km)

15:33 SS7 Lankamaa 2 (14.21 km)

16:51 SS8 Myhinpää 2 (15.51 km)

18:05 SS9 Halttula 2 (9.14 km)

20:05 SS10 Harju 2 (3.48 km)

20:40 Service C, Jyväskylä Paviljonki

Total length of Day 2 special stages: 104.76 km

Saturday 5.8.
08:05 SS11 Västilä 1 (18.94 km)

09:05 SS12 Päijälä 1 (20.19 km)

10:05 SS13 Rapsula 1 (20.56 km)

11:05 SS14 Vekkula 1 (20.65 km)

13:17 Service D, Jyväskylä Paviljonki

15:35 SS15 Västilä 2 (18.94 km)

16:35 SS16 Päijälä 2 (20.19 km)

17:35 SS17 Rapsula 2 (20.56 km)

18:35 SS18 Vekkula 2 (20.65 km)

20:15 Service E, Jyväskylä Paviljonki

Total length of Day 3 special stages: 160.68 km

Sunday 6.8.
07:53 SS19 Moksi-Sahloinen 1 (16.56 km)

09:05 SS20 Himos-Jämsä 1 (9.26 km)

10:30 SS21 Moksi-Sahloinen 2 (16.56 km)

12:43 Tyre Fitting, Himos

13:15 SS22 Himos-Jämsä 2, Wolf Power Stage (9.26 km)

14:15 Prize-giving ceremony, Himos

Total length of Day 4 special stages: 51.64 km

Total length of Secto Rally Finland special stages: 320.56 km

Total length of Secto Rally Finland route: 1471.99 km

[AnttiL]

- Myhinpää, Halttula and Västilä added
- Laukaa has new beginning
- Lankamaa is cut from the small road section
- Moksi reversed with a bit of new at the end
- Himos with new beginning, 2010 and 2015 routes used in the end.
- Very fast route!
- Tyre change before power stage!!!

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/02/28/rally-finland-2023-route-revealed/

[Rallyper]

Västilä: never seen that stage before. Looks great. Even Halttula interesting.
Sunday will maybe be... well, let´s see.

[AnttiL]

Västilä: never seen that stage before. Looks great. Even Halttula interesting.
Sunday will maybe be... well, let´s see.

Västilä is a classic stage, driven already in the 60's and represents the Häme area firm fast-flowing roads with cambers and crests. It was a staple from 1988 to 2001 but never after that for being super fast.

Halttula is a more obscure stage, driven only from 1989 to 1995. Quite boring and angular stage, like Laukaa.

[Rallyper]

Is Västilä driven southbound?

[AnttiL]

Is Västilä driven southbound?

Yes. You can see the best part of the stage here until 6:46

https://youtu.be/Rt_mzLfsCvE

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-2023

[satnav]

Just seen this on you tube, a video of todays event;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvdkOCetxSI&t=1927s

[EstWRC]

They kept the shakedown?

Ppfffff

[AnttiL]

They kept the shakedown?

Ppfffff

At least now it represents the fast route better. There's hardly any small road sections anymore, and for example Myhinpää and Västilä will be very fast, as will be Lankamaa without small roads. Halttula probably similar speed as Laukaa.

Västilä and Myhinpää will have more or less artificial chicanes.

[AnttiL]

The national Vetomies event will now extend to Friday as well. A part of the crews will drive both Friday and Saturday, a part only Saturday stages, between the two WRC runs. More to see for spectators.

Also, if you are booking your trip, consider extending it to the weekend before for a test event in Tampere with possibly some WRC or WRC2 teams participating on some classic 1000 Lakes fast and wide stages ;)

[jparerax7]

I’m already planning my trip to Rally Finland 2023. I have a dilemma: I’d love to attend to Myhinpää SS, but by doing so, it looks almost impossible to attend to 4 stages on friday. The easy choice would be to go to Laukaa and Halttula in the morning, and repeat in the afternoon. So my question is the following: Do you think the Myhinpää stage is worth that much, or it’s better to attend to more stages? I’ve seen some onboards from when it was run in reverse and looks like an amazing stage to spectate. Thanks!

[Hartusvuori]

I’m already planning my trip to Rally Finland 2023. I have a dilemma: I’d love to attend to Myhinpää SS, but by doing so, it looks almost impossible to attend to 4 stages on friday. The easy choice would be to go to Laukaa and Halttula in the morning, and repeat in the afternoon. So my question is the following: Do you think the Myhinpää stage is worth that much, or it’s better to attend to more stages? I’ve seen some onboards from when it was run in reverse and looks like an amazing stage to spectate. Thanks!

It's exactly like you mention. If you put weight on spectating on Myhinpää, that's it for the morning, at least, no other stages. It's been 13 years since Myhinpää was ran on Friday and eight years since it was ran at all, so it should get crowded there. Myhinpää is not the easiest stage to access when it's crowded. 2009 on Sunday it was over 5 km walk from the car. It can be easy too, you never know, but if you decide to go there, better to be one hour early and have the boring wait rather than walk few extra kilometers in a hurry.

[AnttiL]

It's difficult to give advice because people value different things: some want to see as many stages as possible, some want to take their time to get a good spectating place and watch all cars. But going for three stages on Friday would be a good compromise, with two stages on either loop and just one stage on other.

It's almost clever that they have put the more "boring" stages Laukaa and Halttula as those which you can use for two-stages-in-a-loop and then the more "popular" stages Lankamaa and Myhinpää in the middle of the loop. It should balance out traffic.

[jparerax7]

Thanks!! I think I’m gonna go with the two stages per loop (Laukka and Halttula). I expect the new begginig of Laukka to be very fast and with some jumps. Halttula doesn’t look bad either for flatout spots!

[AnttiL]

Laukaa new begin has maybe two jumps on a straight but mostly it’s a technical stage.

Halttula is a bit boring, just straights and 90s, no jumps.

[AnttiL]

https://youtu.be/3HMggKII3ag

Västilä, a new stage on Saturday, first half is absolutely incredible, as Tommi would put it

[satnav]

A big list for Vetomies already

https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=16078&

[jparerax7]

On the following video we can find the recce for the Laukaa stage (with its new beginning). Thanks Joonas for the video!!

https://youtu.be/wXwDlwjwD7o

[Duvel]

We wil do our first rally finland this year!
If i read it correct 4 stages per day is the maximum? Would it be possible to combine stage 3 and 5 for example?

Any, not that hard to reach good spectator points are welcome for sure! I would like to go to some fast sections whit flat out corners. And of course a jump is nice!

Can we buy tickets and maps/program online and have them send over (to belgium). or only possible to buy them there?

Al tips and tricks very welcome, also to mil.donckers at telenet.be

Thanks!

[satnav]

I've just been having a closer look at the Itinerary again and i see there is a holding area after SS 9 before the second running of Harju, i wonder is this to stop the tyre warming on the street up to the start of Harju ?

There is 20 minutes allowed for 1.85km from the holding area to Harju so hopefully it'll still be as usual on the street up to the start.

[Hartusvuori]

I've just been having a closer look at the Itinerary again and i see there is a holding area after SS 9 before the second running of Harju, i wonder is this to stop the tyre warming on the street up to the start of Harju ?

There is 20 minutes allowed for 1.85km from the holding area to Harju so hopefully it'll still be as usual on the street up to the start.

The street up to the start (Gummeruksenkatu) as well as the whole church park area is now under a major construction work for an underground parking garage. So no holding area there this year. I'm told the holding area is somewhere in the harbor area.

[Hartusvuori]

We wil do our first rally finland this year!
If i read it correct 4 stages per day is the maximum? Would it be possible to combine stage 3 and 5 for example?

Any, not that hard to reach good spectator points are welcome for sure! I would like to go to some fast sections whit flat out corners. And of course a jump is nice!

Can we buy tickets and maps/program online and have them send over (to belgium). or only possible to buy them there?

Al tips and tricks very welcome, also to mil.donckers at telenet.be

Thanks!

Welcome to Finland!

All the info on the tickets is now on organizer's website.
https://sectorallyfinland.fi/en/tickets/

I will buy my rally pass (physical) from one of the gas stations where they are available - 11 Shell stations, some of them in the rally region and one of them just next to the service park. You can also buy digital rally pass.

[drive]

I've just been having a closer look at the Itinerary again and i see there is a holding area after SS 9 before the second running of Harju, i wonder is this to stop the tyre warming on the street up to the start of Harju ?

There is 20 minutes allowed for 1.85km from the holding area to Harju so hopefully it'll still be as usual on the street up to the start.

last year holding area and tyre warm up was done very safe - this year should be the same only in different place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8QCR9GruGE

[satnav]

The street up to the start (Gummeruksenkatu) as well as the whole church park area is now under a major construction work for an underground parking garage. So no holding area there this year. I'm told the holding area is somewhere in the harbor area.

Thanks for that Teemu, yes the harbour area would tally with the distance in the Itinerary, it was always good on the street

[jiipee64]

The street up to the start (Gummeruksenkatu) as well as the whole church park area is now under a major construction work for an underground parking garage. So no holding area there this year. I'm told the holding area is somewhere in the harbor area.

Looks like this nowadays

[satnav]

Looks like this nowadays

Jezz a lot of work going on there

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/80241-secto-rally-finland-2023/

[PLuto]

Entry list: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/80241-secto-rally-finland-2023/

Official version here - https://app-cdn.sportity.com/e93e6b88-2925-4b5e-ac6a-284349adf88b/364963bb-1bb9-4c26-bebd-bcf202f2fddd_Entry%20List_FIA%20Approved_20230706. pdf

[ReRe]

Hi, Anybody knows, if this https://en.mapy.cz/s/dolezarava road near stage Päijälä is suitable for normal car? Maybe some locals will know. Thanks a lot for response.

[Toini]

Hi, Anybody knows, if this https://en.mapy.cz/s/dolezarava road near stage Päijälä is suitable for normal car? Maybe some locals will know. Thanks a lot for response.


The road "Kangasportintie" do not continue to another road "Liehunkulmantie". There is a private courtyard area in between these roads, where no road goes through.

You can check Finland's routes on very accurate maps with the help of map websites below.

https://asiointi.maanmittauslaitos.fi/karttapaikka/

https://web.trailmap.fi/

Normally, all routes marked with a solid line can be driven by a normal car, those marked with a dashed line are paths or forest machine trails.

[ReRe]

Thanks a lot Toini.
I was allready searching on https://asiointi.maanmittauslaitos.fi/karttapaikka/, but it wasn´t clear for me in house area "Kangasportti" if it´s private or not.
So if we go from "Korpiloukontie" to "Kangasportintie" only, there is solid line, so it should be driveable.

[Toini]

I just drove through the päijälä stage, and I checked those roads. Korpiloukontie is a very narrow but well-maintained and driveable road. But the entire Kangasportintie is prohibited for motor vehicles, so there it is allowed move only on foot or by bicycle.

[kure91]

Guys, as I this year plan to attend Rally Finalnd in a little bit punk approach with sleeping somewhere in the wild, are there any camping restrictions around stages or are there any designed camping spots for example? From my visit to rally in 2018 I have brief memory that one day we´ve seen some parking at the stage which was also overnight camp site. Thank you.

[Franky]

I think the only restriction would be the obvious. Don't camp in someone's "garden".

With overnight camping/parking, just expect a higher parking fee.

[NoBudgetWRT]

Camping is around 20 EUR (cash). Basically every stage has a overnight camping area and the spots are marked in rally magazine.

[jparerax7]

Hey! Does anyone know when the spectators parking and accesses will be released? Thanks!


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[satnav]

Hey! Does anyone know when the spectators parking and accesses will be released? Thanks!


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The programme is usually on the website around the end of the month, about a week before the rally

[ReRe]

I have one more question to locals in Jämsä area.
Is this road (in winter ski path) https://mapy.cz/s/mananenohu driveable? On google streetview from winter it looks quite wide. I think about sleeping in tent somewhere around this road and leave Powerstage earlier. But I suspect this road will be prohibited by ski resort.
Thanks.

[Toini]

I have one more question to locals in Jämsä area.
Is this road (in winter ski path) https://mapy.cz/s/mananenohu driveable? On google streetview from winter it looks quite wide. I think about sleeping in tent somewhere around this road and leave Powerstage earlier. But I suspect this road will be prohibited by ski resort.
Thanks.

In fact, it is not a road at all, but a cross-country ski trail. Not drivable by car at all, and currently mostly covered with about half a meter long grass.

[ReRe]

In fact, it is not a road at all, but a cross-country ski trail. Not drivable by car at all, and currently mostly covered with about half a meter long grass.

Aha, ok. So on this stage I will rather use official parking/camp area. Thank you Toini.

[Eli]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loubet-steps-in-for-tanak-in-finland-warm-up-rally/ And also switches to a new co-driver, Loubet that is.

[EstWRC]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loubet-steps-in-for-tanak-in-finland-warm-up-rally/ And also switches to a new co-driver, Loubet that is.

I don’t know why but I felt this coming.

I mean the title fight is over for Ott and I guess Ott doesn’t want to show the poor pace against the Toyotas there

[Eli]

I don’t know why but I felt this coming.

I mean the title fight is over for Ott and I guess Ott doesn’t want to show the poor pace against the Toyotas there

At this point, I just hope he doesn’t retire at the end of the season. It would be a massive loss to the teams and the WRC alike.

[ouvreur]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loubet-steps-in-for-tanak-in-finland-warm-up-rally/ And also switches to a new co-driver, Loubet that is.

Arnaud Dunand is Loubet's regular gravel crew co-driver, it is most likely because of the late change of plans that Nicolas Gilsoul is not available...

[TypeR]

I would rather take it as there isn't anything to improve for Finland. He doesn't need just seat time and stage kilometers on Finland roads, but Loubet does.

[EstWRC]

Anyone knows in what magazine the spectator guide is revealed this week? Also in web?

[ReRe]

Anyone knows in what magazine the spectator guide is revealed this week? Also in web?

From official site:
Secto Rally Finland's official race guide for 2023 will be produced again this year in cooperation with Keskisuomainen .

The guide will be distributed as a printed version to regular subscribers of the magazine on Friday, July 28. and it is available as free distribution in the Jyväskylä area.

A free digital version of the competition guide will be published for everyone on Thursday 27 July.

[EstWRC]

Thanks a lot. So Thursday it is

[SubaruNorway]

Someone post the vetomies itinerary, tired of looking for it.

[ReRe]

Someone post the vetomies itinerary, tired of looking for it.

https://app-cdn.sportity.com/ad730fbd-9634-45c6-b685-44981ba6b733/002a5111-6d27-4f90-a146-186aedb74209_Vetomies%202023_itinerary_v_1.1_13072 023.pdf

And here is also list of entries: https://akk.autourheilu.fi//Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=16078&edit=0 ("Osallistujat" button)

[satnav]

Vetomies Password on Sportity app ; Veto23

Also wondering do the Vetomies run with 1 minute interval and on the 2nd day will they run in classification order

[SubaruNorway]

Spectator maps are out
https://nakoislehti.media.fi/keskisuomalainen/12f6f34e-13eb-4327-8556-fa77ea7f5822/14

[Duvel]

Spectator maps are out
https://nakoislehti.media.fi/keskisuomalainen/12f6f34e-13eb-4327-8556-fa77ea7f5822/14

Nice,

As a Finland rookie, stil wondering wich are the best places to go. Wich of those spectator zones are for sure whort a visit? And is there lik a lot of athmosfere in some spots?

thanks!

[Rallyper]

Nice,

As a Finland rookie, stil wondering wich are the best places to go. Wich of those spectator zones are for sure whort a visit? And is there lik a lot of athmosfere in some spots?

thanks!

Atmosphere is in all places. You can PM me and I show you one good place. Crowded. But you will get kind of shortcut to the place...

[masa90]

Hope the rain eases up before the Rally. Otherwise fieldparking could turn into utter chaos.

[SubaruNorway]

Nice,

As a Finland rookie, stil wondering wich are the best places to go. Wich of those spectator zones are for sure whort a visit? And is there lik a lot of athmosfere in some spots?

thanks!

Joonas has done some stages, some previous years also. At least you can tell where you shouldn't go.
Other than that watch the WRC+ onboards, tapes and marshals are often in the same place.
https://www.youtube.com/@JoonasLonn/videos

[TypeR]

Latvala's livery:
https://www.upload.ee/image/15518140/FB_IMG_1690784610497.jpg

[Rallyest]

Latvala's livery:
https://www.upload.ee/image/15518140/FB_IMG_1690784610497.jpg


Is he driving the older version Yaris with scoops?

[Eli]

Is he driving the older version Yaris with scoops?

Seems like it, wouldn't mind if next year they’d have something more like that (in terms of livery) looks mean and wayyyy better than their stock livery (albeit missing a few colours).

[EstWRC]

And here he is testing today

https://twitter.com/jarimattiwrc/status/1685922194843394049?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[Adri]

Good morning, please we need you to recommend us an area in the Halttula section. Greetings and thank you

[EstWRC]

i know it can change but seems to come a very rainy weekend, at least at the moment when im looking the regions where the stages are

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another view of Latvala's Yaris Rally1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2XjLlSXEAA7BY6?format=jpg&name=medium

[jparerax7]

Hey! Any recommendation from local people to manage the rain during the rally? It looks like it’s going to be a very rainy rally… Thanks in advance!!

[AMSS]

i know it can change but seems to come a very rainy weekend, at least at the moment when im looking the regions where the stages are

It`s already bad, the Jämsä region got 100mm rain last weekend so all fields will be really soft as the forecast for the week still is very unstable with local rain showers, so if you have the option to have a 4wd car it`s recommended..

[EstWRC]

It`s already bad, the Jämsä region got 100mm rain last weekend so all fields will be really soft as the forecast for the week still is very unstable with local rain showers, so if you have the option to have a 4wd car it`s recommended..

Sounds like a walk in the park for Kalle then

[mknight]

D.Evans wants Suninen to charge for win and get at least a podium.

Is it only me who thinks it is totally unrealistic?
Imo if he has stagetimes around podium and manages to beat at least one of the "good* drivers (Rovanpera/Evans/Lappi/Neuville/Tanak) on speed it would be very good result. If Friday was fully dry he could hope to beat at least two so that podium might not be impossible. But it doesn't look like it will be dry.

For comparison, in 2019 Breen was in similar situation. On dry rally he had good advantage on Friday which he used, but in the end only managed to beat Neuville on speed (before team orders). At that time it was considered great result.
Are expectations for Suninen too hyped up because there is so little "unexpected" happening in Rally1?

[janneppi]

It's just filler for website.
Suninen has a certain order of priorities.
1. Finish on points
2. Finish ahead of at least one or two Toyotas.
Fourth place would be a success.


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[Rallyper]

Today I´m leaving for Finland. Ferry from Stockholm tonight. Shall be nice meeting many friends. Especially Pantealex, whom I been watching stages together with for many years now.

Don´t forget Pickems and respect closing time, as I´m not sure to close thread in time, while being on the run in Jyväskylä somewhere... :)

[Corcaíoch]

D.Evans wants Suninen to charge for win and get at least a podium.

Is it only me who thinks it is totally unrealistic?
Imo if he has stagetimes around podium and manages to beat at least one of the "good* drivers (Rovanpera/Evans/Lappi/Neuville/Tanak) on speed it would be very good result. If Friday was fully dry he could hope to beat at least two so that podium might not be impossible. But it doesn't look like it will be dry.

For comparison, in 2019 Breen was in similar situation. On dry rally he had good advantage on Friday which he used, but in the end only managed to beat Neuville on speed (before team orders). At that time it was considered great result.
Are expectations for Suninen too hyped up because there is so little "unexpected" happening in Rally1?

I agree, not surprising from Dirtfish though. Best of the rest (Katsuta, Loubet, Latvala) is the most realistic pace for Suninen in my opinion, based on Neuville having refound some pace on fast gravel. A steady approach of aiming for best of the rest and seeing where his pace improves to and seeing what plays out in front of him would be most sensible I think. A big charge setting fast times and ending in and off on Saturday does little for Hyundai or for his own future. Doesn't look like the weather is going to be in his favour either.
Ironically if Suninen did beat any of Rovanpera, Lappi, Tanak, Evans or Neuville on pace Dirtfish would probably turn around in their rally review and criticise those drivers for being beaten by Suninen in his second start in the Hyundai.

[Emiliopequ]

Hi everyone! This is our first time visiting rally Finland. We come from Spain and it would be amazing to get some nice locations to see jumps in any of Friday’s stages. Any recommendation is welcome. Thanks!

[jparerax7]

Hi Emilio! I’m from Spain too. If you want to see jumps on friday, you have to go to Myhinpää SS, it has plenty!


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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some interesting info and questions raised in the DF Rally Finland preview podcast. (Just skip the first 3 mins blather)

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2zTOyBQCrWItYvBfhO8xeR?si=tJQ2pd_FQfu1Vsp8Ibz49A&utm_source=copy-link

[seb_sh]

For me it's hard to predict this rally. I can imagine any of Rovanpera, Tanak, Evans or Lappi winning in certain circumstances. Maybe my imagination is working overtime.

[EstWRC]

Tänak not optimistic and he has valid points actually

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-pessimistic-about-finland-chances/

[meh]

Tänak not optimistic and he has valid points actually

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-pessimistic-about-finland-chances/

Points there are valid and he said all that after rally estonia (at least to Estonian media).

From last year "miracle" there are some expectations now from everyone. He often downplays himself and the car, competition will be harder than last year but it's hard to see that he rises white flag before the rally starts.

[AMSS]

Some of the field parkings already closed now due to rain, so those going prepare for road side parking = long walks and longer queue times

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tänak not optimistic and he has valid points actually

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-pessimistic-about-finland-chances/

He says he benefitted by doing a local rally before Estonia but didn't do the Hyacenter before Finland. A bit of a contradiction.

Rovanpera, Evans (& Loubet) did and also had the wet weather practice that will probably help on Rally Finland...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tampere-greets-its-hero-in-finland-warm-up/

[Rallyest]

He says he benefitted by doing a local rally before Estonia but didn't do the Hyacenter before Finland. A bit of a contradiction.

Rovanpera, Evans (& Loubet) did and also had the wet weather practice that will probably help on Rally Finland...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tampere-greets-its-hero-in-finland-warm-up/


On Dirtfish podcasts they discussed it, but i think it was Colin who sayd he was too scared to ask Tänak about it in Estonia :D :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak said the Finland PET would be enough.

“I knew that Ott would not do the small rally next week, I think he wants a bit of holiday, so they told me that I can replace him,” Loubet told DirtFish.

[ouvreur]

He says he benefitted by doing a local rally before Estonia but didn't do the Hyacenter before Finland. A bit of a contradiction.
Not really... the benefit he referred to was that he'd got an extra national rally of preparation before Estonia, compared to his rivals whose last event was Kenya, and hit the ground running. Now they're going straight from one fast gravel rally to another and there's no such advantage to be found.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not really... the benefit he referred to was that he'd got an extra national rally of preparation before Estonia, compared to his rivals whose last event was Kenya, and hit the ground running. Now they're going straight from one fast gravel rally to another and there's no such advantage to be found.

What about the constant repetition in Estonia that the surface in Finland is very different ? Plus Rovanpera did the local rally for a reason...

[meh]

In general I think it (Tänak not taking part in extra rally as PET for Rally Finland) was white flag in the championship context.

[TypeR]

If Tanak thought that, the local Finnish rally wouldn't give/improve anything, then why waste time..?
Local Estonian rally helped for Rally Estonia, but didn't matter as fight for win was fkd up before start.

[ictus]

2471
I don't know if anyone noticed that there is going to be a tire fitting zone just before the power stage

[meh]

Aaah, this shakedown live works better than my 3 espressos so far, can not wait the rally start alreay. Rally Finland is The Rally.

[EstWRC]

Electrical problems for Tänak already. lol

[TypeR]

Ffs, what are they doing in the factory..
Already electrical issues for Tanak's shtbox puma

[meh]

If Tänak and Järveoja are talking after (stage end) finish line, it's never good... :)

[CeskyOndra]

Kalle 20s slower than Teemu on second pass through shakedown. Does anyone know what happened?

[mknight]

Lost wing:

https://twitter.com/tazmo99/status/1686998007747665920

[EstWRC]

Kalle 20s slower than Teemu on second pass through shakedown. Does anyone know what happened?

https://twitter.com/pauloar23028946/status/1687002958951559169?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rovanpera obviously got the car fixed and ended with the fastest time (run #4).

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/80241-secto-rally-finland-2023/

[meh]

Meet the Crews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi0P_8gm_xw

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meet the Crews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi0P_8gm_xw

Christian Loriaux was funny. :D

[meh]

Christian Loriaux was funny. :D

Yes, he should be interviewed more often. Some big part of this team-leads interviews were lost...

[jparerax7]

Does anyone know the road order for SS1 Harju 1 this afternoon?


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[mknight]

Does anyone know the road order for SS1 Harju 1 this afternoon?


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https://app-cdn.sportity.com/e93e6b88-2925-4b5e-ac6a-284349adf88b/f25054aa-d018-4696-822f-3fd03b291624_Start%20List%20for%20Section%201%20-%20TC0%20-%20Thursday%2003%20August%202023.pdf

How to find:
Go to:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/80241-secto-rally-finland-2023/
go to sportity (or go there directly):
https://www.ewrc-results.com/sportity/80241-secto-rally-finland-2023/

[jparerax7]

https://app-cdn.sportity.com/e93e6b88-2925-4b5e-ac6a-284349adf88b/f25054aa-d018-4696-822f-3fd03b291624_Start%20List%20for%20Section%201%20-%20TC0%20-%20Thursday%2003%20August%202023.pdf

How to find:
Go to:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/80241-secto-rally-finland-2023/
go to sportity (or go there directly):
https://www.ewrc-results.com/sportity/80241-secto-rally-finland-2023/

Thanks a lot!!!!


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[TypeR]

Stage starts 19.05, but live allLive at 20.00?
Am I getting something wrong?

[meh]

Stage starts 19.05, but live allLive at 20.00?
Am I getting something wrong?

Check the start list. it would nice to see them all, but first Rally1 car is 27th on the road. So it takes a bit time.

edit: rechecked myself, for me seems coverage starts at 1900 local time.

[Tom K]

Latvala starts 20:28 local time to SS1. They still have some time to show WRC 2.

[RS]

Ten minutes watching the map as the WRC2 crews go through..

[TypeR]

So awesome to hear Latvala at stage ends again :D
Cool guy!


Ps, 9 rally1 cars and 4 of them are Finnish guys!

[janneppi]

Looking outside at the torrential downpour I'm not terribly bothered that this weekend I'm reduced to listening rally radio instead of spending time axles deep in some Jämsäic clay/mud field. :D

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[meh]

Looking outside at the torrential downpour I'm not terribly bothered that this weekend I'm reduced to listening rally radio instead of spending time axles deep in some Jämsäic clay/mud field. :D

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In Estonia it's quite heavy rain half of day, and it moves to Finland. If tomorrow will be the same amount of rain there, you need boats...

[TypeR]

SS1
Ott - Kalle 1:0

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sounds like Tänak is bringing the same attitude as last year in Finland...

"We need to risk and a lot more, we will try. We will put all-in, let's see where it gets us."

[TypeR]

Kalle was swetting like he had just finished 30km of Sardegna stage..

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/sharifahramah/status/1687080905502752768

https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1686991525085958144

[TypeR]

Katsuta fastest on splits :D

[EstWRC]

Toyotas are too fast this year I think

Tänak the slowest so far

[TypeR]

Taka takes proper stage win in Finland!

Latvala no hybrid?

[EstWRC]

Fords the two slowest….

[Tauri_J]

Loubet should be embarrassed if Jari beats him.

[Dontcut]

Three Toyotas followed by 3 Hyundais and then 2 Fords.

[CeskyOndra]

As always guys, as always..

[meh]

Interesting pick from interview with JML - Ogier wanted to do Finland.

[TypeR]

Interesting part from Latvala's pre rally interview, that Ogier actually wanted to drive in Finland, but Latvala was promised the drive and Toyota couldn't put out 5 cars and was said no..
Very interesting that 8x champ's wish was declined..

Edit: meh was faster

[cali]

You guys left out the fact that when Ogier would have had a chance at the championship standings JML wouldn't have started in Finland.

It's very important in this context.

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[meh]

Interesting part from Latvala's pre rally interview, that Ogier actually wanted to drive in Finland, but Latvala was promised the drive and Toyota couldn't put out 5 cars and was said no..
Very interesting that 8x champ's wish was declined..

Edit: meh was faster

JML also said, that if Ogier should have stayed in title fight then JML's start should be reconsidered but as Rovanperä has good lead (so probably Ogier will not dream about title anymore) JML is able to do the rally.

edit: and now cali was faster :D I just did good 1st split

[meh]

Ok, I missed who is co-commentating and found out answer from Twitter: https://twitter.com/Becsywecsy/status/1687341456506142720

It's John Kennard, co-driver for Paddon (this season in ERC). Doing professional sport as 64 yeard old, huge respect.

[TypeR]

143 avg speed for Kalle on SS3

[seb_sh]

Good commentary combos this morning so far. Marshall and Kennard both have good contributions and work well with Becs.

[TypeR]

Done n dusted for Tanak

[meh]

... and done for Tänak.

[Tauri_J]

Done

[Tauri_J]

Electric rally 1 on stage!

[CeskyOndra]

Tanak just clipped some hole and now his engine is broken..

[er88]

Oh look, msport again

[cali]

Was fun while it lasted

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[CeskyOndra]

Thats Tanak's fault in my opinion

[Eli]

What a joke, sorry for all M-Sport fans out there but this is just something else.

[Tauri_J]

There is no way he stays in m sport….zerooo

[seb_sh]

You see mister Millener didn't follow my advice. I said instead of complaining on Dirtfish that people say the car is bad they should make a better car and get some good results. Clearly they prefer to do it their own way and waste 2 out of 4 Loeb starts and now Tanak.

[EstWRC]

Thats Tanak's fault in my opinion

Explain me how

[CeskyOndra]

He just clipped some hole which others didnt, his behaviour to the car is not pretty clean

[TypeR]

Now let's wait for Milleners excuse :D

[EstWRC]

He just clipped some hole which others didnt, his behaviour to the car is not pretty clean

How come can that damage the engine?

It just lifted the car a little

[Dontcut]

Saddest part is that Kalle cruises to victory and wins all stages from now.

[meh]

... and Loubet stopped as well (driving mistake).

[Tauri_J]

Oh look another Ford out

[seb_sh]

And now Loubet shows us how it would be with no MSport in WRC...

[Tauri_J]

I just want this season to end…horrid

[CeskyOndra]

Seems like the stage is getting slower

[CeskyOndra]

Kalle is really lucky again..

[er88]

Millener couldn't have more egg on his face if he tried. What a mug.

[jonkka]

And now Loubet shows us how it would be with no MSport in WRC...

Will Ford's run of 289 consecutive WRC points finishes come to an end? Likely not, Loubet can rejoin, hopefully.

[cali]

He just clipped some hole which others didnt, his behaviour to the car is not pretty cleanI'll wait for the official reason but this reason for engine failure sounds like made up and quite funny

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[Tauri_J]

Now let's wait for Milleners excuse :D

I actually feel bad for him.

[Tauri_J]

Hitting a small pothole in finland should not cause an engine failure

[meh]

Kalle is really lucky again..

Lucky to be brilliant? He did not best time because of luck, he got it because he drives well. 2nd nonsense in 2 pages.

[cali]

I actually feel bad for him.I was before but this is getting ridiculous now. There's some huge problems within this organisation.

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[Tauri_J]

Will Ford's run of 289 consecutive WRC points finishes come to an end? Likely not, Loubet can rejoin, hopefully.

Silly record but Formaux could get points.

[Eli]

So 5 minutes penalty for Estonia for swapping to a new engine and here it gives out after what? 20kms?

[seb_sh]

Will Ford's run of 289 consecutive WRC points finishes come to an end? Likely not, Loubet can rejoin, hopefully.

I don't know, the car is quite smashed and he will have a big penalty. Their streak might be in danger. Not sure if Tanak can rejoin.

[Dontcut]

Sunninen doesnt have onboard cameras with him?

[cali]

Lucky to be brilliant? He did not best time because of luck, he got it because he drives well. 2nd nonsense in 2 pages.He just does not drive well but it's actual and factual brilliance in any aspects you look at things

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[Sulland]

How long will Ott bother, before quitting?

And how long will Loubet keep his job?

[CeskyOndra]

Lucky with stage conditions and with his rivals having problems.

[seb_sh]

He just does not drive well but it's actual and factual brilliance in any aspects you look at things

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Interesting how people always call champions lucky, same was said of Loeb and Ogier before. I think they make their own luck.

[Andre Oliveira]

Will Ford's run of 289 consecutive WRC points finishes come to an end? Likely not, Loubet can rejoin, hopefully.

Another record without meaning. They invented Super Rally and more places getting points… with less and less top tier cars.

[jonkka]

Silly record but Formaux could get points.

Yeah, super-rally really took edge off from that stat.

[Tauri_J]

How long will Ott bother, before quitting?

And how long will Loubet keep his job?

Loubet Will probably be done after this season. For Ott, nobody knows. He is very hard to read. I think he retires or goes back to Hyundai.

[er88]

Lucky with stage conditions and with his rivals having problems.Heard stuff like this for 25yrs - whether with Loeb, Ogier and now Kalle.
He's 1st on the road because he's earned the right to be. Sometimes true brilliance generates your own "luck", although I don't even know if luck is the right word. We see it too often.

[meh]

... and Virves out from SS2.

[Eli]

Saddest part is that Kalle cruises to victory and wins all stages from now.

The irony would be if he crashed out, and then the points situation would stay (pretty much) the same.

[Thousandlakes]

Kalle is controlling. Sad for Ford again. Sorry for Ott. Looks like Hyundai has not enough speed to challenge Toyota. WRC2: Pajari shows his talent. Huttunen coming well also. Glad to see Latvalas enjoyment. He has surpisingly good speed.

[bandit12]

So end of the season for Tänak? Two blown engines...

[Dontcut]

So end of the season for Tänak? Two blown engines...
They can get new car (chassy). That means new engines AS well

[Corcaíoch]

Didn't expect the Puma to last the weekend but thats just a different level of dissappintment! Shame we didn't even get to see if Tanak and the Puma had the pace to compete or not

[meh]

In top10 overall there are 7 Finnish crews

[Rallyest]

So apparantely a heavy impact caused the engine failure

[CeskyOndra]

I think Toyota would survive this

[seb_sh]

Poor Rich didn't even get to finish his interview

[Tauri_J]

So apparantely a heavy impact caused the engine failure

Saw that on live and prayed that it didnt knock tyre off the rim but in the end it was even worse outcome

[meh]

Yes, there was impact and yes, after that the engine failed. Watching it.. well, should the engine fail for that impact?

And like in Estonia, nothing to be happy about here, really sad for all related ones.

[EstWRC]

Cmon they have bigger impacts when landing on the big jumps

Never would have thought that this one will impact the engine.

[meh]

My main question is - did they put back the same engine which failed in Estonia?

[Eli]

I know this is a bit off topic and not that it wasn’t difficult/impossible beforehand but I think it’s safe to say it’s game over for Hyundai in the manufacturers’ championship, even an extra event wouldn’t have helped them at this point.

[meh]

I know this is a bit off topic and not that it wasn’t difficult/impossible beforehand but I think it’s safe to say it’s game over for Hyundai in the manufacturers’ championship, even an extra event wouldn’t have helped them at this point.

The trend is like that, but the rally is not finished yet.

[meh]

Really nice and complicated section around split 2 on the stage - two sideways jump on the breaking before "chicane". Rovanperä has mastered the second half of the stage.

[Eli]

The trend is like that, but the rally is not finished yet.

True but it seems Toyota has (once again) got their upper hand on Hyundai this year, 6 wins to 1, tells you everything.

[Tauri_J]

This year could be the end of msport in Rally1. If Ott leaves who would drive for them? I mean a guy Who could be competetive…noone. Why would waste money to trundle around in 7-8 place in top class when you can pull out and put all resources into Rally2 and win there. No market for rally1 cars either.

[meh]

Is it only me or the all-live stream has quite many hick-ups?

[Tauri_J]

True but it seems Toyota has (once again) got their upper hand on Hyundai this year, 6 wins to 1, tells you everything.

Cyril knows Who they need. I hope now with proper management they can bring Ott back. Thierry just lacks that final piece in an championship puzzle.

[Tauri_J]

Is it only me or the all-live stream has quite many hick-ups?

Its awful

[Andre Oliveira]

Is it only me or the all-live stream has quite many hick-ups?

Here too.

[Andre Oliveira]

This year could be the end of msport in Rally1. If Ott leaves who would drive for them? I mean a guy Who could be competetive…noone. Why would waste money to trundle around in 7-8 place in top class when you can pull out and put all resources into Rally2 and win there. No market for rally1 cars either.

The "good" old days of payers. Munster by Serderidis and Loubet.

[Tauri_J]

Jesus they dont know that its a starter motor….

[seb_sh]

No super rally for Ott: https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1687375953511464960

[cali]

Rock or compression hit the oil sump and they talk about oil pump possibly and starter definitely being broken.
By the words of Ott this is not an engine issue per se but damage done by this compression.

Imho Ott's very low setup is the root of this cause

DELFI VIDEO SOOME RALLILT | Ott Tänak katkestamisest: midagi tuli läbi auto põhjakaitsme, see ei sõida enam kuskile - Delfi Sport
https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120221593/delfi-video-soome-rallilt-ott-tanak-katkestamisest-midagi-tuli-labi-auto-pohjakaitsme-see-ei-soida-enam-kuskile

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[Eli]

Here too.

Same here.

[flat_right]

This is from Estonian forum but gold...

Rally journalist is interviewing Ott Tänak, asking why he joined the Ford rally team... Ott replies: "Short workdays and weekends are free."

[Corcaíoch]

Is it only me or the all-live stream has quite many hick-ups?

Very poor, also far too much heli shots and not enough stage side cameras for my liking, doesn't show the speed as effectively

[Rallyest]

Rock or compression hit the oil sump and they talk about oil pump possibly and starter definitely being broken.
By the words of Ott this is not an engine issue per se but damage done by this compression.

Imho Ott's very low setup is the root of this cause

DELFI VIDEO SOOME RALLILT | Ott Tänak katkestamisest: midagi tuli läbi auto põhjakaitsme, see ei sõida enam kuskile - Delfi Sport
https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120221593/delfi-video-soome-rallilt-ott-tanak-katkestamisest-midagi-tuli-labi-auto-pohjakaitsme-see-ei-soida-enam-kuskile

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Could a rock have a such impact it pierces the underbody guard? kinda weird in my opinion

[flat_right]

Could a rock have a such impact it pierces the underbody guard? kinda weird in my opinion

First time? This was the case also with Tänak in Toyota.

[AndersX]

So, estonian boys and girls, you can not throw the stone and angree comments towards Msport - engine was broken because of impact that can be both driver mistake and/or unlucky situation.

Tanak does not seem bothered, even looks relieved.

But Rovampera is a monster - are we entering another Loeb-ish, Ogier-ish time in the world championship? Total dominance!

[meh]

Rock or compression hit the oil sump and they talk about oil pump possibly and starter definitely being broken.
By the words of Ott this is not an engine issue per se but damage done by this compression.

Imho Ott's very low setup is the root of this cause

DELFI VIDEO SOOME RALLILT | Ott Tänak katkestamisest: midagi tuli läbi auto põhjakaitsme, see ei sõida enam kuskile - Delfi Sport
https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120221593/delfi-video-soome-rallilt-ott-tanak-katkestamisest-midagi-tuli-labi-auto-pohjakaitsme-see-ei-soida-enam-kuskile


and probably it was one of the smoothest interview by Ott to Estonian media ;)

[meh]

Rich Millener has free day, so he is co-commenting now in all-live.

[Rallyest]

First time? This was the case also with Tänak in Toyota.

yeah, but Sardignia and Finland are 2 different road surfaces

[Dontcut]

It was already seen on Harju stage that Ott was driving low car. Splitter was scraping through gravel.

[meh]

Ott retired from SS3, we have already SS5, let's move on and enjoy the rally.

and now, some rain arrived, makes things more interesting...

[wyler]

Could a rock have a such impact it pierces the underbody guard? kinda weird in my opinion

definitely...if a rock can lift a car to roll, detach a wheel, etc, it's fair enough that a rock hit above 100km/h can easily brake parts that aren't supposed to be hit. (a little crack is enough to leak oil and set fire to engine bay)

[cali]

So, estonian boys and girls, you can not throw the stone and angree comments towards Msport - engine was broken because of impact that can be both driver mistake and/or unlucky situation.

Tanak does not seem bothered, even looks relieved.

But Rovampera is a monster - are we entering another Loeb-ish, Ogier-ish time in the world championship? Total dominance!Agreed. I have mentioned many times here before that Ott likes to set up the car to be lower and this usually causes issues to the suspension and a few times to the sump guard

I believe other hit this rock as well but the impact wasn't such bad as the compression couldn't reach to mecahnical parts.

But as someone mentioned here, let's move on...

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[TypeR]

No super rally for Ott: https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1687375953511464960


yeah, but Sardignia and Finland are 2 different road surfaces
In Sardegna he landed quite heavily on nose.
In Portugal there was a massive rock in the middle of corner
In Wales it was also some low bad landing..?

[Rallyest]

Starting to pour really hard for Neuville

[Tauri_J]

Could a rock have a such impact it pierces the underbody guard? kinda weird in my opinion

A bedrock….very large rock or a boulder embedded in surface

[meh]

Lappi high-speed off.

.. and stream went to "rescue mode", crew ok.

[TypeR]

Lappi quite heavy crash

[seb_sh]

that was a massive crash for Lappi :o

[MTA]

Lappi off

[Tauri_J]

Another car out oh dear

[wyler]

Agreed. I have mentioned many times here before that Ott likes to set up the car to be lower and this usually causes issues to the suspension and a few times to the sump guard

I believe other hit this rock as well but the impact wasn't such bad as the compression couldn't reach to mecahnical parts.

But as someone mentioned here, let's move on...

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kudos to you! i think we need a bit more balanced comment toward m-sport about this morning...

OUCH LAPPI...

[jcevc]

This is not good...sideways directly to trees :/

[subarurally]

oh no Lappi

[Rallyest]

I was just in the middle of writing a sentence that i hope Lappi can leave Neuville behind

[EstWRC]

How on earth Ott managed to win with this car last year

[meh]

So Latvala P6, half-way to the podium ;)

[Jarek Z]

Another car out oh dear

Yes, the first WRC2 car is already 7th overall...

[wyler]

How on earth Ott managed to win with this car last year

not hitting rocks? :D

[Rallyest]

not hitting rocks? :D

I mean it does make his Last year Finland win even more very impressive, Neuville is strugglling and is nowhere near Kalle and Evans , Lappi sayd he cant put out more and right after that he crashes out.

[Tauri_J]

It was already seen on Harju stage that Ott was driving low car. Splitter was scraping through gravel.

Every car is running low on finland

[seb_sh]

Hard to say how much it was the car, Ott or just bad luck. In any case with 3 cars out that's a third of the Rally1 cars, it's a bit sad. And just as I was writing Suninen was almost in the ditch :o

[wyler]

I mean it does make his Last year Finland win even more very impressive, Neuville is strugglling and is nowhere near Kalle and Evans , Lappi sayd he cant put out more and right after that he crashes out.

definitely.
(my comment was just a pun!)

[Tauri_J]

Hope Jari gets a podium somehow

[Tauri_J]

How on earth Ott managed to win with this car last year

Because he’s Ott Tänak

[CeskyOndra]

If ott's engine will not be repairable, it means that he will get another 5 minutes penalty to greece? Because you can't change more than 2 engines if I'am right..

[TypeR]

If ott's engine will not be repairable, it means that he will get another 5 minutes penalty to greece? Because you can't change more than 2 engines if I'am right..
New chassis/car = 2 new engines if I'm correct

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OTUeR5Qp7_4&feature=share

Is it Ingrassia Tanak and Jarveoja talking to?

[meh]

Is it Ingrassia Tanak and Jarveoja talking to?

Yes, it was covered in All-live also.

[becher]

If ott's engine will not be repairable, it means that he will get another 5 minutes penalty to greece? Because you can't change more than 2 engines if I'am right..

They could put the first one back in without a penalty, it isn't broken but high mileage and therefore a bit of a risk and probably not a very fit engine.

[TypeR]

M-Sport@MSportLtd

Due to impact damage on SS3, sadly we have been left with no choice but to retire Ott's car from Rally Finland.

[becher]

Is there any footage to be found from Tanäks impact and Lappis crash?

[meh]

Is there any footage to be found from Tanäks impact and Lappis crash?

Both were shown in all-live, so you can search and rewatch them there.

[Corcaíoch]

Is there any footage to be found from Tanäks impact and Lappis crash?
Lappi:
https://twitter.com/LemosMotorsport/status/1687393599577640962?t=t86whdKiaMxE0bW2BD6jJg&s=19

[meh]

https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/1687411570119221248 - a bit.. wet.

[CeskyOndra]

https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/1687411570119221248 - a bit.. wet.

And its looking like another rain is coming

[Feys]

Loubet's crash on SS3
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1687424355720957952