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seb_sh
9th September 2023, 11:21
spoke too soon about Neuville....

EstWRC
9th September 2023, 11:22
For some reason I thought this will happen

You have to drive over the limit to fight with the Toyotas

Shame

rp
9th September 2023, 11:25
Once again Thierry made traditional Neuville mistake, when leading!

seb_sh
9th September 2023, 11:25
Don't think you can blame the driver in this case.

EstWRC
9th September 2023, 11:27
So another Ogier vs Kalle row and fight incoming ? :D

Remember rumors started after Kenya that they don’t get along anymore

TypeR
9th September 2023, 11:28
Well, he had to push and go for the win if he wants to get closer to Kalle.
Too bad, but happens.. most likely without braking into the hole, everything would be ok..

satnav
9th September 2023, 11:29
Can't see times on wrc.com for SS10, am I the only one with this problem?

Same for me , back to ewrc i go, SS10 now showing on WRC.com

dimviii
9th September 2023, 11:31
maybe we have a 1-2-3-4 toyota.

EstWRC
9th September 2023, 11:33
maybe we have a 1-2-3-4 toyota.

Yep. That’s why I put them 1-2-3 in my Pickems and based on Kenya which is also very rough.

The car is like a tank and of course very good drivers

Eli
9th September 2023, 11:34
Ogier seemed pretty pleased he only has Rovanperä to fight, in other news, game over in the manufacturers title although I’ll admit it was Toyota’s to lose coming here.

Eli
9th September 2023, 11:34
Yep. That’s why I put them 1-2-3 in my Pickems and based on Kenya which is also very rough.

The car is like a tank and of course very good drivers

Only a puncture will deny them that.

dimviii
9th September 2023, 11:35
Pajari stopped.Easier job for Mikkelsen now.
Kajto stopped too
Rossel pucture.
carnage

Tauri_J
9th September 2023, 11:41
Don't think you can blame the driver in this case.

Then Who do you blame here?

dimviii
9th September 2023, 11:43
if wrc splits are right Mikkelsen must have a problem

Rallyper
9th September 2023, 11:49
Then Who do you blame here?

Unluck.

Rallyper
9th September 2023, 11:50
if wrc splits are right Mikkelsen must have a problem

Mikkelsen now +1:43 at split 3

focus206
9th September 2023, 11:50
Typical WRC script... everyone drops off, Toyota cruises to victory... at best you can get a fight among Toyota drivers.

denkimi
9th September 2023, 11:51
neuville might be the best driver to never become world champion.

skarderud
9th September 2023, 11:52
neuville might be the best driver to never become world champion.Add Hirvonen to that list.

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macebig
9th September 2023, 11:52
Thierry Neuville doing Thierry Neuville things... 🤷
That was it for this year's Acropolis... Another Toyota win...

Tauri_J
9th September 2023, 11:58
Unluck.

Then Tänak’s never to blame

djip
9th September 2023, 11:59
Add Hirvonen to that list.

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Many others : Marku Alen (even so he can claim the 1978 FIA Cup for drivers ...), Kenneth Eriksson, Francois Delecour, Markko Martin, Michele Mouton to name a few. And of course all the old guard from before there was any WRC drivers championship

rp
9th September 2023, 12:02
You can talk about bad luck, but of course this was Neuville´s mistake. Other drivers were driving through the same hole, but Thierry braked just before and then that hit was much stronger and the suspension was damaged.

Unfortunately he is just not at the same level than World Champions.

djip
9th September 2023, 12:05
You can talk about bad luck, but of course this was Neuville´s mistake. Other drivers were driving through the same hole, but Thierry braked just before and then that hit was much stronger and the suspension was damaged. Unfortunately he is just not at the same level than World Champions.

Am i wrong or Huyndai's suspension is one of their weakness ? I recall a large number of occurences when such problem occured. Of course it is a driver's mistake to begin with, but maybe it is fragile - at least more than the Toyota "tank" ...

skarderud
9th September 2023, 12:12
Is ss10 stopped?

Or just technical?

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Rallyper
9th September 2023, 12:33
You can talk about bad luck, but of course this was Neuville´s mistake. Other drivers were driving through the same hole, but Thierry braked just before and then that hit was much stronger and the suspension was damaged.

Unfortunately he is just not at the same level than World Champions.

Maybe he´s not.
But you suggest he should break and steer exactly same as others? Else they are bad drivers always breaking down their cars?
As you probably understand every driver attacks corners in different ways. And this wasn´t any driver error in that sense he did smth wrong.

seb_sh
9th September 2023, 12:40
Sometimes there's a hole or rock on the line and that's rally. He didn't go wide or do some aggresive cut. He was braking where he needed to brake, unfortunately for him there was a water covered hole that was deeper than apparent at that point.

I get that some people are fans of drivers and there's some antagonism but for me it's absurd to blame the driver in this case. If you consider this driver error then you can go back and reconsider many times other drivers hit rocks on the line and so on. I will not say more on the matter.

We can also go to the conspiracy theory and since we know for a fact that Neuville is the team leader, car designer and president of Hyundai it's his fault that the suspension was too weak because he didn't design a good enough suspension arm, he should do better next time! (joking)

philippebugalski
9th September 2023, 12:44
Braking was on point in particular case, there is an almost square left turn right after.
Pure unluck if You ask me, no signs of driver error.

Such a shame, I enjoyed thierry-seb-kalle fight and now the same old Toyota story..

EstWRC
9th September 2023, 12:45
Shame the ford is so unreliable. Podium was definitely possible for Ott

JAM
9th September 2023, 12:48
When Hyundai broke is Neuville's fault, when Toyota broke is bad luck of the driver...

SubaruNorway
9th September 2023, 12:52
Prop shaft again i guess for Lappi

denkimi
9th September 2023, 12:53
in the end there is only one person who turns the steering wheel and is able to avoid rocks or holes. some are just better at it than others.

becher
9th September 2023, 12:53
Any footage of the Neuville incident? Wasn't able to watch.

Fast Eddie WRC
9th September 2023, 12:55
Alternator & transmission problems for Lappi now. Hyundai's are as unreliable as M-Sports eventually.

Fast Eddie WRC
9th September 2023, 12:58
Sounds like Kalle just going to take the points and not fight Ogier for the win.

TypeR
9th September 2023, 13:00
I wonder if the punctured tyres are only softs or hards also..
Hards supposed to have thicker sidewalls..?

macebig
9th September 2023, 13:02
Lappi appears to be out. Only Sordo survives from the i20s.

denkimi
9th September 2023, 13:02
Sounds like Kalle just going to take the points and not fight Ogier for the win.

ogier did what he was payed for to do here, take out toyota's opponents. he can now take the win while kalle can further secure the title.

jonkka
9th September 2023, 13:05
Sounds like Kalle just going to take the points and not fight Ogier for the win.

That would be extremely wise for him as Ogier doesn't do whole championship (and even if he now suddenly would decide to contest all remaining rounds, he still wouldn't have a chance).

The funny thing is that this would be Ogier's fourth win of the season (against just two for Kalle). And similarly, Ogier has so far won just one stage against Kalle's six stage wins in this rally. So the one with most wins doesn't win the big prize - if it indeed stays like it is.

denkimi
9th September 2023, 13:08
That would be extremely wise for him as Ogier doesn't do whole championship (and even if he now suddenly would decide to contest all remaining rounds, he still wouldn't have a chance).

The funny thing is that this would be Ogier's fourth win of the season (against just two for Kalle). And similarly, Ogier has so far won just one stage against Kalle's six stage wins in this rally. So the one with most wins doesn't win the big prize - if it indeed stays like it is.

ogier won 25 seconds yesterday and lost 10 today so far. I'm not sure ogier would be able to win here without his position advantage on friday.

er88
9th September 2023, 13:08
Purely unlucky for Neuville. That wasn't driver fault imo. Can imagine that hole was getting progressively bigger car after car.

cosmin_sb
9th September 2023, 13:10
what happen on SS10 with Mikkelsen, Fourmaux and Prokop? all of them don't appear in the standing

skarderud
9th September 2023, 13:11
what happen on SS10 with Mikkelsen, Fourmaux and Prokop? all of them don't appear in the standingWondering on the same, not shown at ewrc eighter.

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TypeR
9th September 2023, 13:12
There was red flag at some point and maybe they are making some notional times for them..

Fast Eddie WRC
9th September 2023, 13:35
ogier won 25 seconds yesterday and lost 10 today so far. I'm not sure ogier would be able to win here without his position advantage on friday.

This is a why Ogier is smart doing a part-programme - he gets to enjoy his favourite events, gets a great road position and adds to his win record as opponents doing the full season dont need to race him.

becher
9th September 2023, 14:20
This is a why Ogier is smart doing a part-programme - he gets to enjoy his favourite events, gets a great road position and adds to his win record as opponents doing the full season dont need to race him.
Who was the driver throwing a hissy fit a few years ago when part timers came in? I forgot but I think it was a whiny multiple champion.

meh
9th September 2023, 14:49
I expect some shitty mind-games start now - Ogier wants to win, but every pragmatic point of view understands that Rovaperä needs point for securing drivers title...

jonkka
9th September 2023, 14:59
Who was the driver throwing a hissy fit a few years ago when part timers came in? I forgot but I think it was a whiny multiple champion.

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em they say, I hear... :D

TypeR
9th September 2023, 15:16
Ogier losing a lot on splits.. +9.8 SPL2

meh
9th September 2023, 15:18
So, Ogier changed the tire (based on all-live), Pirelli will get some greetings I guess

edit: was not changing the tire, left rear wheel does not seems correct

edit 2: from replay, they went to change but saw that suspension was failed and just continued with that

edit 3: Pirelli guys can breath out now

EstWRC
9th September 2023, 15:31
amazing sunday again tomorrow

denkimi
9th September 2023, 15:32
so ogier breaks the suspension but still remains 4th. just amazing how lucky that man is.

btw: sordo is now up to 2th.

becher
9th September 2023, 15:33
if you can't beat 'em, join 'em they say, I hear... :D
That was probably the thought process haha

meh
9th September 2023, 15:33
amazing sunday again tomorrow

... there are still plenty to play and figure out, like Evans vs Sordo, and the most important one - with how big margin Rovanperä wins powerstage.

and this saying is still valid - rally is over when it's over.

meh
9th September 2023, 15:54
RC2 standings after SS6 (end of day 1) - Mikkelsen 13., 2:12.7 to the lead
RC2 standings after SS12 (end of day 2) - Mikkelsen 1.

TypeR
9th September 2023, 15:54
After stage end repairing, Ogier didn't fasten the broken sparewheel either..

meh
9th September 2023, 15:56
so ogier breaks the suspension but still remains 4th. just amazing how lucky that man is.

btw: sordo is now up to 2th.

Ogier need to reach to service park first. Based on maps he is still on the road. How much time he has left to arrive to TC?

skarderud
9th September 2023, 15:58
RC2 standings after SS6 (end of day 1) - Mikkelsen 13., 2:12.7 to the lead
RC2 standings after SS12 (end of day 2) - Mikkelsen 1.What a drive, what has this other wrc2 crews doing this day, having lunch?:)

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dimviii
9th September 2023, 16:05
Neuville was really unlucky
https://www.rally.tv/e/replay/443038760363_Neuvillebreakinghisfront-rightsuspensioninSS10-EKOAcropolisRallyGreece2023

meh
9th September 2023, 16:21
So, eWRC and rally.tv both show Ogier as 9th overall with +9:47.6 loss to the lead and 10:00:00 as stage time.

SubaruNorway
9th September 2023, 16:23
It's not the hole Neuville hits i think, it's a tree stump or rock sticking up to the right of it

focus206
9th September 2023, 16:24
Neuville was really unlucky
https://www.rally.tv/e/replay/443038760363_Neuvillebreakinghisfront-rightsuspensioninSS10-EKOAcropolisRallyGreece2023

Didn't see how Ogier broke the suspension, but I bet a Yaris wouldn't have been seriously damaged here...

EstWRC
9th September 2023, 16:33
... there are still plenty to play and figure out, like Evans vs Sordo, and the most important one - with how big margin Rovanperä wins powerstage.

and this saying is still valid - rally is over when it's over.

Heh. I don’t share the optimism my friend

Evans was way faster than Sordo today and Sordo only got the place because of the Evans engine problem. So Evans will get him easily

Kalle will get 5 points easily if he wants it

macebig
9th September 2023, 16:48
Ogier OTL, retired for the day.

Tauri_J
9th September 2023, 16:49
Would be funny if Ott ends up on the podium

JAM
9th September 2023, 16:52
Neuville is a asshole because broke the Hyundai steering.

Ogier is... silence... silence... silence...

Funny people here...

Eli
9th September 2023, 16:59
Neuville is a asshole because broke the Hyundai steering.

Ogier is... silence... silence... silence...

Funny people here...

Have to say, this time round it was pure unluck from Neuville's side, that hole was getting rougher and deeper with every passing car. As for Ogier, need to look at that onboard again, Evans mentioned that stage was tough so he was taking it carefully.

Fast Eddie WRC
9th September 2023, 17:09
Who was the driver throwing a hissy fit a few years ago when part timers came in? I forgot but I think it was a whiny multiple champion.

The difference is they were working for their teams and leaders. Ogier is just for himself as Rovanpera/Toyota dont need his help to walk the Championships.

dimviii
9th September 2023, 18:50
The eight-time world champion wouldn’t comment to the stage-end reporter about what had happened, but once he returned (late) to the service park he opened up to the media and revealed that the same hole that sidelined Neuville was where his afternoon first unravelled.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-explains-his-acropolis-rally-exit/

skarderud
9th September 2023, 19:09
Have to say, without any national feelings, Mikkelsen's driving this day is extremely good!
He take the risk, and did it perfect!

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focus206
9th September 2023, 19:52
The eight-time world champion wouldn’t comment to the stage-end reporter about what had happened, but once he returned (late) to the service park he opened up to the media and revealed that the same hole that sidelined Neuville was where his afternoon first unravelled.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-explains-his-acropolis-rally-exit/

" “The whole afternoon was actually quite eventful,” Ogier said.

“It started actually I think the same corner Thierry had his issue, I also had an impact in this place because it’s quite hard to avoid this hole, and my front-right wishbone was also a bit damaged.

“But obviously it was still drivable and I managed to fix it and I was still managing to have a good pace on this stage and also on the next one."

As I said earlier. Toyota hits hole - survives. Hyundai hits hole - retirement. Sure, different driving styles and maybe it was sliiightly deeper for Neuville, but the point remains, the car is too fragile to compete against Toyota.

PLuto
9th September 2023, 20:16
neuville might be the best driver to never become world champion.

For me it always will be Markku Alen...

becher
9th September 2023, 20:18
Neuville is a asshole because broke the Hyundai steering.

Ogier is... silence... silence... silence...

Funny people here...
Well the forum has its alligences, only normal but still sometimes annoying.

PLuto
9th September 2023, 20:23
Today I was out of computer, so I have arrrived only now. And what is the worst - there is absolutely no informations anywhere related to all other drivers out of Rally1 cars. Despite I can see quotes of Serderidis after each stage, I have problems to find on one place what happened to Gryazin, Pellier, Pajari and all other drivers...

JAM
9th September 2023, 20:23
Have to say, this time round it was pure unluck from Neuville's side, that hole was getting rougher and deeper with every passing car. As for Ogier, need to look at that onboard again, Evans mentioned that stage was tough so he was taking it carefully.

Correct, but this doesn't hide the fact that we have now a enormous silence here.

JAM
9th September 2023, 20:25
Today I was out of computer, so I have arrrived only now. And what is the worst - there is absolutely no informations anywhere related to all other drivers out of Rally1 cars. Despite I can see quotes of Serderidis after each stage, I have problems to find on one place what happened to Gryazin, Pellier, Pajari and all other drivers...

It seems that WRC Promoter work is also going down on the informations side...

Fast Eddie WRC
9th September 2023, 21:03
Neuville is a asshole because broke the Hyundai steering.

Ogier is... silence... silence... silence...

Funny people here...

Maybe because Neuville does this many times a year and has no world titles, but with Ogier its maybe once a season and he's proved himself with 8 world titles...

KKS
10th September 2023, 05:27
What if to prevent sunday driving we should have a qualification for power stage from other sunday stages...��
That who win overall sunday stages can choose starting position as at ERC at the start of the rally.

Now seeing all backing off it's not very attractive

KKS
10th September 2023, 05:35
Looks that Greensmith mooning are working. Now Mikkelsen time from SS10 corrected to +12sec. And battle for wrc2 win continue

Päss1928
10th September 2023, 06:16
Looks that Greensmith mooning are working. Now Mikkelsen time from SS10 corrected to +12sec. And battle for wrc2 win continue

Did he really moon Mikkelsen?

EstWRC
10th September 2023, 07:15
Wrf Sordo where this came from

jonkka
10th September 2023, 07:19
Wrf Sordo where this came from

He wants to repeat Mexico and pass Evans on PS... :D

becher
10th September 2023, 08:39
For me it always will be Markku Alen...
I think hes better than plenty world champions.

becher
10th September 2023, 08:49
What is it with Ogier talking about three punctures but failing to mention the broken suspension?

NOT
10th September 2023, 08:53
my pictures from the event

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=2452108354950163&set=pcb.2452111404949858

Duvel
10th September 2023, 10:05
Today I was out of computer, so I have arrrived only now. And what is the worst - there is absolutely no informations anywhere related to all other drivers out of Rally1 cars. Despite I can see quotes of Serderidis after each stage, I have problems to find on one place what happened to Gryazin, Pellier, Pajari and all other drivers...

Completely true,. Very hard to find decent overview from rally standings.. By far not enough info on all crews.

Duvel
10th September 2023, 10:08
Nice to follow wrc1, but if it wasnt from this forum, wrc2 nobody knows what happens there.. Promotor has a lot of work!

meh
10th September 2023, 10:19
I would say "thanks" to lack of competition in rally1 and quite relax schedule we have relatively ok coverage of rally2 this time. Otthen we can not see anything.

I have said it many times rally2 needs it's own parallel coverage - it attracts more sponsors if they have more presence which theoretically helps to get more entries.

meh
10th September 2023, 10:30
Neuville vs Ogier at PS:

* Split 1: level
* Split 2: Neuville 0.1 faster than Ogier
* Stage end: Neuville 0.1 faster than Ogier

EstWRC
10th September 2023, 10:43
What a contrast watching lappi and then Tänak. One being all over the place and the other very smooth and efficient

EstWRC
10th September 2023, 10:53
And the fact that he can be on Toyotas pce on power stages this year with the car it doesn’t suit him shows also a lot about this speed

Jarek Z
10th September 2023, 10:57
Today I was out of computer, so I have arrrived only now. And what is the worst - there is absolutely no informations anywhere related to all other drivers out of Rally1 cars. Despite I can see quotes of Serderidis after each stage, I have problems to find on one place what happened to Gryazin, Pellier, Pajari and all other drivers...

Yes, we have interviews with Serderidis instead of real drivers, like Mikkelsen, Rossel, Gryazin, Kajto, etc. That is disgusting!

TypeR
10th September 2023, 10:57
Full send!
Take that boys.. If I want, I take 25+5 points.

Eli
10th September 2023, 10:58
Can Toyota win the championship in the next round?

meh
10th September 2023, 11:12
This format to let topX rally2 drivers go before rally1 and the rest of the rally2 field after rally1 gives unequal situation for the first runners - at the moment Joona faster Fourmaux and Kajetanowicz 0.1 slower than Mikkelsen. It most likely would not be the case from equal start position.

denkimi
10th September 2023, 11:23
So that's a 33 point advantage for rovanpera with 3 rallies still to go.

I hope evans can keep him busy for a while. None of the Hyundai or fords is able to

Eli
10th September 2023, 11:28
So that's a 33 point advantage for rovanpera with 3 rallies still to go.

I hope evans can keep him busy for a while. None of the Hyundai or fords is able to

The only advantage Evans has on Rovanperä is the fact he (Rovanperä) was in a Fabia Rally2 car back in 2019 whilst Evans was in the Fiesta WRC, apart from that, it’s anyone's guess.

Fast Eddie WRC
10th September 2023, 12:02
Evans really needed to beat Rovanpera here, with a better road position and Kalle coming off a mistake and DNF in Finland.

But as well as his skill Rovanpera also had the luck with the conditions and Evans the opposite with 2 punctures and a car issue.

This was Evans best chance and it didnt happen. I cant see him challenging Rovanpera now unless he has another DNF.

Rallyper
10th September 2023, 12:28
Steady job done by Rovanpera. Congrats champion.

Sulland
10th September 2023, 12:28
Looks that Greensmith mooning are working. Now Mikkelsen time from SS10 corrected to +12sec. And battle for wrc2 win continue

Mooning meaning?

PLuto
10th September 2023, 15:04
What if to prevent sunday driving we should have a qualification for power stage from other sunday stages...��
That who win overall sunday stages can choose starting position as at ERC at the start of the rally.

Now seeing all backing off it's not very attractive

One of the drivers (who didnt finished Acropolis without superally) was proposing on meeting with drivers that Sunday should not be part of rally. During the Sunday morning there should be "taxi drives" where Rally1 drivers can take a ride with some sponsors/journalists/officials and then there should be power stage on midday as only one stage for bonus points...

PLuto
10th September 2023, 15:05
Looks that Greensmith mooning are working. Now Mikkelsen time from SS10 corrected to +12sec. And battle for wrc2 win continue

This is one of the things which I dont like. They are competing for whole day and during the night, from the table, they change the results...

Lead
10th September 2023, 16:12
Spectacular win for Mikkelsen in WRC2, you have to give credit where its due. After day one, he was completely out of the competition, but that 2nd day push was insane (beating even some of the wrc1 car times). Superb comeback. Too sad there was no Solberg to compare the times when both go flat out.

P.S. Congrats to Rovanpera, well done champ.

Jarek Z
10th September 2023, 16:13
One of the drivers (who didnt finished Acropolis without superally) was proposing on meeting with drivers that Sunday should not be part of rally. During the Sunday morning there should be "taxi drives" where Rally1 drivers can take a ride with some sponsors/journalists/officials

I have known for a long time that some people at FIA are idiots, but now I see that some competitors are not better. What is wrong with this sport?

Jarek Z
10th September 2023, 16:17
Lets have powerstage each day, and nothing else. Just three stages per weekend, drivers wont be tired, mechanics wont exceed 8 hours shift, even M-Sport will have a chance to grab some win and sport will become much much cheaper for everyone.

I agree with you. If power stages are so exciting and Sunday leg so boring, let's turn all normal stages into power stages and it will solve all problems :>

Jarek Z
10th September 2023, 16:20
Spectacular win for Mikkelsen in WRC2, you have to give credit where its due. After day one, he was completely out of the competition, but that 2nd day push was insane (beating even some of the wrc1 car times). Superb comeback.

So he doesn't have to search for a proper job anymore? ;)


Rally1 train has left for him ages ago

Time to get a proper job

EstWRC
10th September 2023, 18:05
I think this wasn’t posted here?

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-punished-for-parc-ferme-breach/

Second time in 3 months they get caught

bomber21
10th September 2023, 18:52
OK, this is a bit ridiculous. Almost any fan can take a close picture of the cars.

satnav
10th September 2023, 19:01
Mooning meaning?

I think he meant moaning, ie, complaining

Gams
10th September 2023, 19:21
https://youtu.be/jCoxjnfMix4?si=BMJO-e58UbQqqAUz

WRCStan
10th September 2023, 20:09
One of the drivers (who didnt finished Acropolis without superally) was proposing on meeting with drivers that Sunday should not be part of rally. During the Sunday morning there should be "taxi drives" where Rally1 drivers can take a ride with some sponsors/journalists/officials and then there should be power stage on midday as only one stage for bonus points...

This is an excellent idea for what is solely a Rally1 problem.

bakas88
11th September 2023, 15:29
A clip from Acropolis Rally took place this weekend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jshmNFBkK3Y&ab_channel=GreekRallyPassion

satnav
11th September 2023, 18:18
Seen an interesting video on YouTube last night, Ogier's car in service on the Friday evening

https://youtu.be/TpnUAh2l1mM?si=aW86GfdvTgPPmOWp

Rallyper
12th September 2023, 09:20
Seen an interesting video on YouTube last night, Ogier's car in service on the Friday evening

https://youtu.be/TpnUAh2l1mM?si=aW86GfdvTgPPmOWp

Did spot Sam, also...

Mirek
12th September 2023, 16:55
This is an excellent idea for what is solely a Rally1 problem.

If it was up to me I would make it a power day. I understand they want some extra thrill on Sunday, which is a pretty short day anyway, so why not to count it as a whole?

seb_sh
12th September 2023, 17:24
If it was up to me I would make it a power day. I understand they want some extra thrill on Sunday, which is a pretty short day anyway, so why not to count it as a whole?

This is a good idea. I was thinking the other day something I would prefer if Sunday is just the powerstage or maybe 2 runs on the power stage and the total gives the points. Maybe 1st run is in overall rally order and 2nd run is reversed to keep things interesting.

Sunday actually doesn't need to be longer, by then I'm watching other motorsports as well so if the rally ends Sunday morning it would be perfect for my schedule.

satnav
12th September 2023, 18:00
Did spot Sam, also...

You sure did Per, he's got a new role now aswell

WRCStan
12th September 2023, 18:28
If it was up to me I would make it a power day. I understand they want some extra thrill on Sunday, which is a pretty short day anyway, so why not to count it as a whole?

I think they are simply saying Sunday's stages are redundant because they are at the end of the rally, so it could be a more useful marketing day than Wednesday or Thursday. Rallies are always more entertaining and interesting at their starts and then fade out. FIA and broadcasters insist on having an awkward and amateurish podium ceremony to see on Sunday lunchtime. I'd make a change about that, else just the one Powerstage run would suffice, but again this is only good for Rally1.

Whilst a power leg could encourage one or two restarted cars to push a little extra, depending on the quality of the driver, the truth is nobody cares already. If the power leg is made/found to be more rewarding or entertaining than the rest of the rally, you still cement a future change into a one day sprint.

Mirek
12th September 2023, 18:34
If there is 10 points for the power day it can not be ignored while it is still much less than for the rally itself. I'd prefer to keep Sunday as a leg albeit short one instead of having just one stage. That, for me at least, is like skiping the day completely and I don't like that at all.

WRCStan
12th September 2023, 19:38
Still not sure who it's for if it's not on TV, but open to see it trialled. Nobody will want to skip leg day and huge gainz.

Although, I think I'd rather see, and this doesn't interfere with the other classes at all which don't face the same issue, the manufacturers championship shifted to only Sunday. Subject to qualification by participation on the other days of course.

MartijnS
13th September 2023, 07:20
We had a good rally again, were not expecting that when driving on small rivers on Wednesday in Lamia afternoon.
If the stages will be run again next year, probably skipping it though. We want something new to visit! ;)

Started at the 'Rovanpera' spot on stage 3 so than the weekend was a success already haha.

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bakas88
16th September 2023, 10:03
Highligts from Acropolis Rally 2023

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