WRC2 news & rumors 2023

[manthey]

I'm quite sure Stellantis coming into Rally1 from 2025, everyone in wrc2 want to be a part of that team from next year, both young talents and more experienced drivers.

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Interesting, Opel or Citroen? The dream is Lancia

[Eli]

Interesting, Opel or Citroen? The dream is Lancia

If I had to guess I'd say Opel, it would be weird to see the C3 again just 5 years after they left. Besides they'll need to promote a new car that still has an ICE power-train and by the time it's 2025 the new C3 will probably be an BEV (just speculating) and not PHEV which we'll still have until 2027.

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen was saying he want to dominate every event he is doing in Rally2, but that is not really the case in Qatar. Both Ostberg and Al Attiyah are rather dominating him.:rolleyes:

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen and Lindholm had a puncture today,so maybe they went a bit safe to dont have another puncture.
Lets see tomorrow.

[Galev62]

Mikkelsen and Lindholm had a puncture today,so maybe they went a bit safe to dont have another puncture.
Lets see tomorrow.

Pirelli quality… Ostberg and Attiyah are both on Michelin tyres according to Ewrc

[EstWRC]

but puncture on what stage? i see them losing lots of time on every stage basically, because of cleaning?

[dimviii]

Pirelli quality… Ostberg and Attiyah are both on Michelin tyres according to Ewrc
Very easy you have conclusions.

[dimviii]

but puncture on what stage? i see them losing lots of time on every stage basically, because of cleaning?

Nasser was starting first.
I read about punctures at their twitter accounts.
Maybe was a slow puncture,or at the end of stage.

[Lead]

Al-Attiyah shows who is the boss on home soil. Props to Ostberg for a fight.

[rp]

No hope for Mads, Andreas & Emil for any Rally1 drive in the future, when not able to beat Nasser. They simply are not fast enough.

[Jarek Z]

No hope for Mads, Andreas & Emil for any Rally1 drive in the future, when not able to beat Nasser. They simply are not fast enough.

Loubet, Greensmith and Katsuta are not fast enough either ;)

[TypeR]

No hope for Mads, Andreas & Emil for any Rally1 drive in the future, when not able to beat Nasser. They simply are not fast enough.
I'm pretty sure that Mads isn't even thinking about Rally1drive, it's clearly impossible(without payin) and for Lindholm it is too early for that.

[dimviii]

No hope for Mads, Andreas & Emil for any Rally1 drive in the future, when not able to beat Nasser. They simply are not fast enough.

to be fair,very few drivers could compete Nasser at these special rallies.

[SubaruNorway]

Nasser is an expert at short cuts too, remember Sainz's and Nasser's little twitter argument last year

[Kenneth]

It's like saying that Mikkelsen, Neuville, Meeke or Breen never deserved WRC drive as they never beat Kopecký in Barum, lol

[Myrvold]

It's like saying that Mikkelsen, Neuville, Meeke or Breen never deserved WRC drive as they never beat Kopecký in Barum, lol

Meeke was behind Nasser until his retirement in the Qatar-rally last year. So Meeke was slower than Nasser, didn't beat Kopecky. He'd never win a WRC rally with that lack of pace... ehh.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram Rally

Full focus on the World Rally Championship. All thanks to my partners and crowdfunding army for supporting me.

Currently hatching a plan with my team @toksportwrt to step up into the latest car for our next WRC round.

The new car has dominated so far. I can’t wait to get my hands on one and show my full potential. Stay tuned...

[Jarek Z]

Miko Marczyk announced his programme for this year. He will continue to compete in WRC2, this time with the new Skoda Fabia RS Rally2.
Confirmed rallies are Portugal, Sardegna, Estonia and Finland. The rest will depend on the situation.

New livery:
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/...n-gospoda.webp

[Sal yet again]

Wonder when the FIA/WRC promoter will try and clamp down on WRC 2 testing. Hardly seems to be a week goes by without the likes of Solberg posting a testing video.

[mknight]

This has been going on for ages though.
I remember as far as 2016 Skoda was getting comments that they had more test days than multiple WRC teams. Probably before as well.

Recently in 2021 both Skoda and Citroen were also putting tons of money into testing. Hyundai (with Solberg) tried too, but then pushed him to Rally1 instead and seemingly de-prioritized Rally2.
Last year there was seemingly a bit less testing but for Skoda it was about testing of the new car instead.

[RS]

Wonder when the FIA/WRC promoter will try and clamp down on WRC 2 testing. Hardly seems to be a week goes by without the likes of Solberg posting a testing video.

It’s his first test in the new car on gravel to be fair. Besides if they restrict testing for Rally2 it’s even easier than with Rally 1s to enter national/ERC events instead.

[SubaruNorway]

So Solberg should have gone to MC, Sweden and Mexico in a new car with no test?
Jealousy is not a good look.
Wasn't there a 1 day test rule for each event last year for WRC2?

[PLuto]

Wasn't there a 1 day test rule for each event last year for WRC2?

This rule is in ERC.

[Sal yet again]

My post re testing was just out of interest and not in support of any particular driver regardless of my nationality although I appear to have hit a nerve. Obviously testing has always gone on and drivers with better budgets can do more of it its now just more obvious when the public have open access to test roads so its more in the domain. And its an interesting point to try and dissect between car development and specific event "practice".

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram @ChrisIngramGB
The amount of testing these guys do is unreal.


Chris Ingram @ChrisIngramGB
I didn’t mean only Oliver btw. Literally half the WRC2 field. They are in a rally car almost every weekend. Lucky lads !

[AndrewTate]

Eddie, Your admiration for him is remarkable but nevertheless - the world and this game especially is very unfair. He needs to crush oposition on stages to get more mileage, not cry how the world is against him in twitter...

There is thousands young talents hoping to have the oportunities that even Ingram has who will never get this chance.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eddie, Your admiration for him is remarkable but nevertheless - the world and this game especially is very unfair. He needs to crush oposition on stages to get more mileage, not cry how the world is against him in twitter...

There is thousands young talents hoping to have the oportunities that even Ingram has who will never get this chance.

My quote of Ingram's post was just made as it was relevant to the discussion on WRC2 testing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Full season for Greensmith from Mexico onwards...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/greensmith-commits-to-rest-of-wrc-season/

[Jarek Z]

7 WRC2 rounds for Kajto. He is going to drive Škoda Fabia from RaceSeven.

"ORLEN Rally Team have launched their 2023 car design – with timeless, classic elegance. Undoubtedly, the car of triple European Rally Champion, in its beige, minimalist livery, will stand out in the whole WRC field." :)

source:
https://kajto.pl/en/2023/03/09/2023-world-rally-championship-kajetanowicz-takes-part-in-seven-rounds-starting-in-mexico-with-refreshed-livery/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mexico preview:
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/rallye/wrc/qui-prendra-de-la-hauteur-en-wrc2.html

[240RS]

Emil Lindholm deserves a special mention.

Older version Fabia. First time in Mexico. Still only 17secs behind class leader.

Take a bow

[SubaruNorway]

Emil Lindholm deserves a special mention.

Older version Fabia. First time in Mexico. Still only 17secs behind class leader.

Take a bow

26 sec

[Fast Eddie WRC]

GG in charge...

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/greensmith-in-charge-in-wrc2-on-friday/

[Jarek Z]

WRC2 - Highlights from Day 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiQjrutv_o

[Jarek Z]

4 out of 5 stages (so far) cancelled for WRC2 crews today...

[AnttiL]

4 out of 5 stages (so far) cancelled for WRC2 crews today...

And the one stage was a super special. Also one 29 km stage was cancelled yesterday. WRC2 crews are missing roughly 100 km from the rally.

[PLuto]

This is one of the reasons why I dont like WRC. Everything is focused only to manufacturers and WRC/Rally1 cars. Nobody takes care about the rest...

[Jarek Z]

Day 3 Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opwiy7tjr1s

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrmnDwEX0AAaBRl?format=jpg&name=large

[Sal yet again]

This is one of the reasons why I dont like WRC. Everything is focused only to manufacturers and WRC/Rally1 cars. Nobody takes care about the rest...

Isn't that rallying's unique problem though when there is such emphasis on "live" footage? Its like asking the F1 boys to share the track with Formula 3 and Formula Ford cars. The promoter needs to figure out how its going to accommodate the non Rally 1 cars in its coverage as cant see WRC 2 teams wanting to lose half a day on a regular basis as it brings the series into disrepute.

[Kenneth]

Well endurance racing do exactly that.

[Sal yet again]

And that area of motorsport is thriving just now with coverage of the entire field.. however WRC...

[AnttiL]

The promoter needs to figure out how its going to accommodate the non Rally 1 cars in its coverage as cant see WRC 2 teams wanting to lose half a day on a regular basis as it brings the series into disrepute.

Like acquiring promotion rights to ERC?

As for what happened in Mexico, it's more down to the organizer than the promoter. It was a silly coincidence that in both SS3 and SS11 it was the last Rally1 car who blocked the road for the rest, not being able to go forth or back. Not sure what they would have done if some Rally1 cars had been left in the blockage. The liaisons in Mexico are short and the timetable was pretty tight, stages started quite close to each other. It's nice for us watching All Live but it has its downsides. Same as arranging stages on a 2x2 basis, if something happens, it's a big risk to get cancellations

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There is also an issue for Rally1 drivers in that the WRC2 drivers are in a different Championship but can also take points off them by finishing higher overall (like in Mexico).

Greensmith & Co demoted Tanak to only 9th place points, but they dont receive those points themselves for 6th - 8th place. They get the points for 1st - 3rd in WRC2.

This doesn't seen fair.

[AnttiL]

There is also an issue for Rally1 drivers in that the WRC2 drivers are in a different Championship but can also take points off them by finishing higher overall (like in Mexico).

Greensmith & Co demoted Tanak to only 9th place points, but they dont receive those points themselves for 6th - 8th place. They get the points for 1st - 3rd in WRC2.

This doesn't seen fair.

I don't see a problem with this.

[Jarek Z]

I don't see a problem with this.

Me neither.

[TypeR]

Well, actually they do get these points and are in WRC standings. After 3 rounds Katsuta(9th), Loubet(10th), Greensmith(11th) all have 8 points.

Don't know the exact rules, but can a driver become WRC champion with rally2 car? (Ain't gonna happen, but if they get WRC points, then it should be legally possible..?)

[AndyRAC]

Well endurance racing do exactly that.

The sport is 'multi class' and the other 'lesser' classes are as much a part as the top line LMH/ LMDh cars...and get decent coverage.

[AnttiL]

Well, actually they do get these points and are in WRC standings. After 3 rounds Katsuta(9th), Loubet(10th), Greensmith(11th) all have 8 points.

Don't know the exact rules, but can a driver become WRC champion with rally2 car? (Ain't gonna happen, but if they get WRC points, then it should be legally possible..?)

For sure. Even with Rally5, in theory, if all other cars run into problems.

Rallies have been won with lower class cars, namely Sepp Haider with FWD Opel Kadett in NZ 1988 and the Group N cars in Ivory Coast, as well as F2 cars in the tarmac events in 1999.

If only Rally1 cars would get points, the system would have to be modified to have points only for top 6 or something. Now there was only 9 finishing cars, all would have gotten points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why shouldn't Rally1 drivers score points for their position in Class WRC1, rather than for their overall position ? Eg. Tanak was 6th highest driver in WRC1 but only scored points for 9th...

[Franky]

Why shouldn't Rally1 drivers score points for their position in Class WRC1, rather than for their overall position ? Eg. Tanak was 6th highest driver in WRC1 but only scored points for 9th...

Just so that I understand. You want to get rid of the overall results and divide everyone into their tiny categories?

[focus206]

Why shouldn't Rally1 drivers score points for their position in Class WRC1, rather than for their overall position ? Eg. Tanak was 6th highest driver in WRC1 but only scored points for 9th...

Because it's ridiculous to give points to top 10 Rally1 cars when there are less than 10 Rally1 cars. I would understand if it was top 6 or top 8 with a 15 cars field, but not how things are today...
Just finishing a rally doesn't mean you deserve points. Serderidis in 25th and Loubet in 27th almost 2 hours behind don't deserve points, their result is much closer to a DNF than a 8th-9th position.

[AnttiL]

The sport is 'multi class' and the other 'lesser' classes are as much a part as the top line LMH/ LMDh cars...and get decent coverage.

Circuit racing is more straightforward to televise and just make the director choose whom to choose. In rallying the cars run with 2-4 min intervals and you have to choose between showing the top cars from the next stage or proceeding with the previous one and every minute costs money.

[PLuto]

Why shouldn't Rally1 drivers score points for their position in Class WRC1, rather than for their overall position ? Eg. Tanak was 6th highest driver in WRC1 but only scored points for 9th...

With performance and issues on Friday, he should score zero points in Mexico (except power stage, of course). Only lack of proper competitors also in WRC2 and their issues helped him to get back to top ten. I dont see any reason why he should score points being sixth fastest Rally1 car when there were drivers with Rally2 which were faster than him...

[Sergiow]

Circuit racing is more straightforward to televise and just make the director choose whom to choose. In rallying the cars run with 2-4 min intervals and you have to choose between showing the top cars from the next stage or proceeding with the previous one and every minute costs money.

But at the same time the PowerStage is a very different format. In Belgium it is streamed on open RTBF TV and Web channels and the PowerStage broadcast usually includes a resume what happened on friday and saturday + starting positions for WRC2 are different to other stages. In short the PowerStage makes a perfect format for WRC I recommend to also for friends who are not really into rallying

[ouvreur]

Why shouldn't Rally1 drivers score points for their position in Class WRC1, rather than for their overall position ? Eg. Tanak was 6th highest driver in WRC1 but only scored points for 9th...

Why should crews in less capable cars, who complete the prescribed route correctly in less time than crews in Rally1 cars, not score points for their overall positions?

Come on now.

[Jarek Z]

Why shouldn't Rally1 drivers score points for their position in Class WRC1, rather than for their overall position ? Eg. Tanak was 6th highest driver in WRC1 but only scored points for 9th...

Are you a Serderidis fan who tries to find a way to make him a World Champion? ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

People want destroy rallies with rules changes. Rallies are so simple and good to watch in past.

Even that post of Win Rally Mexico of Gus is ridiculous. He was the best RC2, won the WRC2 championship field.... the rest is stupid.

[Sulland]

Any news on what happened to the engine in Olivers car?

[Jarek Z]

People want destroy rallies with rules changes. Rallies are so simple and good to watch in past.

You are right. The more stupid rules, that are hard to understand, the less people are going to follow this sport.


Even that post of Win Rally Mexico of Gus is ridiculous. He was the best RC2, won the WRC2 championship field.... the rest is stupid.

What post are you talking about?

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrmnDwEX0AAaBRl?format=jpg&name=medium

I also think it's a bit stupid...

[focus206]

I also think it's a bit stupid...

Yes. Also not the only time I've seen something like that... sometimes a driver is called (or calls himself) let's say "2012 national champion". Then you go see the results, and he was 2WD national champion or Group N national champion etc.
They're not really lying, but they omit an important detail.

[Jarek Z]

Yes. Also not the only time I've seen something like that... sometimes a driver is called (or calls himself) let's say "2012 national champion". Then you go see the results, and he was 2WD national champion or Group N national champion etc.
They're not really lying, but they omit an important detail.

That's true. I saw it countless times. I even think that some drivers and their PR workers are champions at that :)

[ictus]

Yes. Also not the only time I've seen something like that... sometimes a driver is called (or calls himself) let's say "2012 national champion". Then you go see the results, and he was 2WD national champion or Group N national champion etc.
They're not really lying, but they omit an important detail.

I presume that you've never won anything and just want to make youself feel better... Winning is winning!!! If you are the best in your category, be it drive, displacement or age, you are the winner of that category, so it's fair to say you WON! It's a big thing and it's something to brag about

[ouvreur]

I presume that you've never won anything and just want to make youself feel better... Winning is winning!!! If you are the best in your category, be it drive, displacement or age, you are the winner of that category, so it's fair to say you WON! It's a big thing and it's something to brag about

No, I'm sorry... there's a difference between, say, finishing first in the RC2 class in Rally Mexico, and winning Rally Mexico. Granted, Gus won the competition he had targeted to win, but under no normal definition of the term 'to win a rally' did he win the rally.

There was only one rally to win, and that was done by Ogier and Landais. Anyone else claiming to have done so is only fooling themselves.

[AnttiL]

Exactly, it's not about us being jealous or disliking certain drivers, it's just simply factually wrong.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So a WRC2 Winner cant call himself a rally winner. This backs up my point that the different categories shouldn't be mixed up with some being scored by their Class and others by their overall place.

[focus206]

I presume that you've never won anything and just want to make youself feel better... Winning is winning!!! If you are the best in your category, be it drive, displacement or age, you are the winner of that category, so it's fair to say you WON! It's a big thing and it's something to brag about

What a silly comment. Of course you're allowed to brag about your victories, but it's just misleading to say you're the national champion WITHOUT specifying the category, because by "national champion" it's assumed "national overall champion".
Sebastien Loeb doesn't call himself 10 times world rally champion. Yet he won 9 world rally championships + 1 JWRC title in 2001.
Sebastien Ogier doesn't call himself 9 times world rally champion. Yet he won 8 world rally championships + 1 JWRC title in 2008.
Saying "I won the 2022 Rally4 national rally championship" is NOT the same as "I won the 2022 national rally championship".

[ToKu]

Yet, Dakar Rally has 3 or even 4 winners each year.

[focus206]

Yet, Dakar Rally has 3 or even 4 winners each year.

Obviously, because there are multiple types of vehicles - cars, bikes, quads, SxS, trucks.
Among cars, there are multiple categories.
Daniel Schroder finished in 52nd this year and won the T1.1 category.
Ronald Basso finished in 107th this year and won the T2 category.
Can you call them Dakar winners? Sure, in their own category.

[doubled1978]

It makes sponsors feel good about the money they have given you!
He won all that he could win, therefore he won.

GT class winners at Le Mans all say they won Le Mans, same principal. SEAT used to promote themselves as World Rally Champions in their dealerships, when those of us who followed rally knew that it was F2 World Champions, general public wouldn’t have had a clue I doubt.

I’m not sure why it bothers anyone so much. These guys and their sponsors need something to promote or why bother.

[focus206]

It makes sponsors feel good about the money they have given you!
He won all that he could win, therefore he won.

GT class winners at Le Mans all say they won Le Mans, same principal. SEAT used to promote themselves as World Rally Champions in their dealerships, when those of us who followed rally knew that it was F2 World Champions, general public wouldn’t have had a clue I doubt.

I’m not sure why it bothers anyone so much. These guys and their sponsors need something to promote or why bother.

Yes, you're basically saying "they declare themselves world champions to appease the sponsors and to trick the average joe who doesn't have much of a clue" and that's exactly what we're talking about.
I don't see anyone particularly bothered here, apart from considering it silly, since rally fans aren't average joes with no clue of motorsports.

Talking about Le Mans, you reminded how quite some people who don't follow endurance racing got tricked by the Ford vs Ferrari myths into believing that after 1969 Ferrari never won Le Mans, while Ford won it again with the GT (which is a statement that uses double standards because it doesn't count Ferrari GTE wins but it counts Ford GTE wins).

[ouvreur]

He won all that he could win, therefore he won.

And if anyone who thinks that way (I'm not even sure he does) sleeps a bit better at night, or gets a longer-lasting erection by thinking that way, good for them. I'm happy for them.

It is no small achievement to win the RC2 class on a WRC rally and bring a second-division car to 6th overall. But unless you finish 1st overall, you don't win a rally. That's final. Anyone asserting otherwise is either terrible at mathematics, delusional about the scale of their achievement, or both.

I won my class in a tarmac championship once. Do I go around telling people I won that championship? No. Because I didn't. The sort of person who would be impressed if I were to exaggerate my achievement aren't worth impressing. Sponsors, believe it or not, don't fall for it.

[seb_sh]

It makes sponsors feel good about the money they have given you!
He won all that he could win, therefore he won.

GT class winners at Le Mans all say they won Le Mans, same principal. SEAT used to promote themselves as World Rally Champions in their dealerships, when those of us who followed rally knew that it was F2 World Champions, general public wouldn’t have had a clue I doubt.

I’m not sure why it bothers anyone so much. These guys and their sponsors need something to promote or why bother.

As far as Le Mans is concerned class winners usually mention the class, I've yet to see someone claim they won Le Mans without mentioning the class. Usually they say class winners or something like that. Even Lamborghini in their museum have plaques of their GTD class wins at Daytona 24h next to the car that clearly say GTD class. Same with Ferrari in their museum with their Le Mans GTE wins.

As for Dakar the Bikes, Cars, Trucks, Quads etc are more like different competitions that are run in parallel to eachother. Some stages are not even the same and there is no combined classification.

If I remember correctly, at the time SEAT was competing in the F2 championship which was running in paralel to the Group A8 championship. So it was really two different competitions and the FIA was trying to push the F2 Kitcars class to the top. The calendar was split and the cars didn't race the same rallies.

I think it's disingenuous to proclaim yourself the rally winner if you only won the class. Saying something like WRC2 rally winner would be correct.

[Kenneth]

Imo it's important to say that per FIA the champion of WRC2 is (obviously) WRC2 Champion, not a WORLD champion. And it's same in LeMans, Moto2, Formula 2, etc.

Technically speaking WRC is open championship for all classes and you can win it with Rally2 car. And outside of that there are support championships like WRC2.

So yeah, it's kinda stupid to call Greensmith Rally Mexico winner, if they would put some smaller WRC2 into graphics, it would be much better.

[Norm75]

What a silly comment. Of course you're allowed to brag about your victories, but it's just misleading to say you're the national champion WITHOUT specifying the category, because by "national champion" it's assumed "national overall champion".
Sebastien Loeb doesn't call himself 10 times world rally champion. Yet he won 9 world rally championships + 1 JWRC title in 2001.
Sebastien Ogier doesn't call himself 9 times world rally champion. Yet he won 8 world rally championships + 1 JWRC title in 2008.
Saying "I won the 2022 Rally4 national rally championship" is NOT the same as "I won the 2022 national rally championship".
In the world of motorcycle racing, it seems quite commonplace. For example it is often said that Rossi is 9 times world champion, along with Marquez being at a similar level, be it the media circus or the riders themselves. In actuality, Rossi won the main class 7 times and the lower classes twice, but is common for him to be called 9 times world champion and a big thing was always made about whether he would win his 10th world championship title.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/greensmith-looks-ahead-with-intensive-testing-plan/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrmnDwEX0AAaBRl?format=jpg&name=medium

I also think it's a bit stupid...

On his various social media I haven't seen ONE comment to this effect. EVERY comment has been congratulations and not moans.

Considering how much stick he usually gets I think this tells a lot. People understand he won WRC2 and aren't being pedantic about the picture.

[Franky]

This is starting to sound like pub talk already.

[pettersolberg29]

Personal opinion: if you win all you can win, then you can call yourself the winner. Everyone knows what he means, he's not fooling anyone so no harm done.

What did annoy me slightly was his comments throughout the rally saying how nice it was to be in control/be able to be so fast and afterwards, like when he got out the car and said 'easy' - plus the media saying how he 'dominated' the rally. If it wasn't for a phantom puncture for a rival on Friday it could have been quite a humbling rally for Gus, so to have such an arrogant air of superiority wasn't a good look in my eyes.

And I know my username suggests some bias, but compare Gus to Ogier, who kept saying how sorry he was for Lappi and that he knows it wasn't an easy win and he could have been pushed all the way by EP. And even to Lindholm who said he understands he only got P2 in WRC2 because of others' misfortune. It's just the done thing, and not to mention another driver (and teammate's) rapid pace all weekend seems a bit odd to me.

[pettersolberg29]

Any news on what happened to the engine in Olivers car?

Ended up just being a loose cable after a heavy compression! Would have been an easy fix in a service.

[ouvreur]

Personal opinion: if you win all you can win, then you can call yourself the winner. Everyone knows what he means, he's not fooling anyone so no harm done.

What did annoy me slightly was his comments throughout the rally saying how nice it was to be in control/be able to be so fast and afterwards, like when he got out the car and said 'easy' - plus the media saying how he 'dominated' the rally. If it wasn't for a phantom puncture for a rival on Friday it could have been quite a humbling rally for Gus, so to have such an arrogant air of superiority wasn't a good look in my eyes.

And I know my username suggests some bias, but compare Gus to Ogier, who kept saying how sorry he was for Lappi and that he knows it wasn't an easy win and he could have been pushed all the way by EP. And even to Lindholm who said he understands he only got P2 in WRC2 because of others' misfortune. It's just the done thing, and not to mention another driver (and teammate's) rapid pace all weekend seems a bit odd to me.

I don't know about arrogance. It was probably just nice for him to get through a rally without making any mistakes, or having the car fall apart on him, or to be way off the pace.

In fact, more than nice, it was probably a bit of a strange situation for him to find himself in, and if he (with everything still to prove) didn't handle it as well as an eight-time world champion who's basically driving for fun... well, can you blame him?

He got lucky with the stage cancellations, sure. But while it COULD have been a humbling event for him - it was not. Quite the opposite.

[pettersolberg29]

I don't know about arrogance. It was probably just nice for him to get through a rally without making any mistakes, or having the car fall apart on him, or to be way off the pace.

In fact, more than nice, it was probably a bit of a strange situation for him to find himself in, and if he (with everything still to prove) didn't handle it as well as an eight-time world champion who's basically driving for fun... well, can you blame him?

He got lucky with the stage cancellations, sure. But while it COULD have been a humbling event for him - it was not. Quite the opposite.

Fair points.

Still think if I was Gus I would feel a bit humbled seeing as he is an experienced driver with many years of top level WRC experience and WRC2 events, yet was comprehensively beaten on pace by a kid that most people think isn't good enough for the WRC. Fair enough Gus had nothing to push for, but still think it would make me tone down the celebrations a bit.

[ouvreur]

I do see what you mean. He didn't dominate as he might have wanted or been expected to, considering his experience. But at the same time, he drove a great rally, stayed out of trouble, and I think proved he's no mere pay driver without any discernible talent. What he did isn't an easy thing to do, and ultimately he didn't need to be faster than Solberg, once Solberg had lost the best part of two minutes.

[br21]

Ended up just being a loose cable after a heavy compression! Would have been an easy fix in a service.

Any source of this?

[pettersolberg29]

Any source of this?

Direct from the team.

[Sulland]

Ended up just being a loose cable after a heavy compression! Would have been an easy fix in a service.

Sparkplug cable?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC2 Mexico Highlights

https://youtu.be/Fqi3Z6wJzEo

https://www.wrc.com/en/video/player/?videoId=1594166

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Evans @summit6

Yesterday I was privileged to attend the inaugural Rally Warrior Experience day with @ChrisIngramGB

Chris is raising funds to help him and @craigdrew75 complete the ‘23 WRC2 with @toksportwrt
these guys are the real deal and need your help ...

Link ⬇️

https://gofundme.com/f/chris-ingram-wrc

https://twitter.com/i/status/1642459974566592512

[spyros]

Loeb wins rally azores infront of Mikkelsen in a fabia rs rally2...........

[Jarek Z]

Loeb wins rally azores infront of Mikkelsen in a fabia rs rally2...........

... even though he has never been on this island, hasn't driven this car before and has nearly zero experience in R5/Rally2 cars. What a driver!

[speederbee]

... even though he has never been on this island, hasn't driven this car before and has nearly zero experience in R5/Rally2 cars. What a driver!

Looks to me like yet another nail in the coffin of Mikkelsen's Rally1 chances, particularly after reading the dirtfish interview in which he spouts a long list of excuses as to why he lost.

It's not just the fact that he lost- after all, Loeb is a formidable opponent- but the way he basically tried to claim it wasn't his fault and he drove a good drive is unimpressive.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it though

[ouvreur]

Looks to me like yet another nail in the coffin of Mikkelsen's Rally1 chances, particularly after reading the dirtfish interview in which he spouts a long list of excuses as to why he lost.

It's not just the fact that he lost- after all, Loeb is a formidable opponent- but the way he basically tried to claim it wasn't his fault and he drove a good drive is unimpressive.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it though

You're being unfair. It's obviously just down to the tyres :laugh:

[mknight]

The interview I read says that Michelin were supposedly better on the first day in wet and worse on second day in dry. So he also claims that he was able to close up on second day due to his tires beeing better then. First day he had a puncture on first stage and no extra spare, that's just what happened.

A bit over a year ago Loeb got in the Puma, never changed a single setting and won Monte vs fulltime drivers that were developing their cars for a year, in a rather similar situation. Since then he led every rally he started on the top level and was always the fastest Puma (beating Breen, who just got 2nd place in a Hyundai).

Losing to Loeb by a small margin surely isn't "a nail in the coffin" for anyone.

Loeb and Ogier results in Rally1 era make everyone currently driving there look like second class drivers though.

[PLuto]

The interview I read says that Michelin were supposedly better on the first day in wet and worse on second day in dry. So he also claims that he was able to close up on second day due to his tires beeing better then. First day he had a puncture on first stage and no extra spare, that's just what happened.

A bit over a year ago Loeb got in the Puma, never changed a single setting and won Monte vs fulltime drivers that were developing their cars for a year, in a rather similar situation. Since then he led every rally he started on the top level and was always the fastest Puma (beating Breen, who just got 2nd place in a Hyundai).

Losing to Loeb by a small margin surely isn't "a nail in the coffin" for anyone.

Loeb and Ogier results in Rally1 era make everyone currently driving there look like second class drivers though.

You can compare the results - on Michelin was Loeb, Cais and Moura, on Pirelli was Mikkelsen, Veiby and Solans. It is also important to mention that there was limit of 10 tyres per crew for whole race, so there was also part of tactics...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Interesting article about Loeb from a Skoda engineer Yannick Willocx, Loeb engineer in the Azores: "I felt useless..."

https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/rallye/yannick-willocx-ingenieur-de-loeb-aux-acores-je-me-suis-senti-inutile.html

[Rallyper]

interesting article about loeb from a skoda engineer yannick willocx, loeb engineer in the azores: "i felt useless..."

https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/rallye/yannick-willocx-ingenieur-de-loeb-aux-acores-je-me-suis-senti-inutile.html

goat

[spyros]

goat

I'm happy to see him in action back in years.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gus Greensmith on the Skoda Fabia RS:

https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/gus-greensmith-the-car-that-is-very-easy-to-drive/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally Warrior aka Chris Ingram:

Counting down the days until my next WRC round in the brand new RS Rally2...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=600777565445585&id=100065400402839

[Jarek Z]

M-Sport Ford test session before Croatia Rally. Munster already crashed, look at 2:54. I don't know what exactly happened though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5AcU-iSVas

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Josh McErlean withdraws from Croatia Rally as mark of respect for late Craig Breen...

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motor-sport/josh-mcerlean-withdraws-from-croatia-rally-as-mark-of-respect-for-late-craig-breen/963656081.html

[Jarek Z]

It doesn't look good for Ford in Croatia at the moment - Fourmaux is in the 7th place and Munster crashed again on the first day.

But it's still better than Cais who crashed already on SS1:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/media/80237-croatia-rally-2023/3941/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Qo0NI3MpifE&fbclid=IwAR1XFerbAYYsjhex0LtCC1mibMyQVyuxmYxL5E247 RUnc886t3kE5zbscJI

Rossel leads since the first stage.

[Jarek Z]

Meanwhile Gryazin in the same corner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-SLHLZaGvuA&fbclid=IwAR0WHkyEd-5WWqyV9Q-XlTjRWCwibmOU2_RUDSAf6Ntpv8yBoO0YMAZScbU

[Jarek Z]

How about some flatout action from Oliver Solberg?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egT-CWYM4Wk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It doesn't look good for Ford in Croatia at the moment - Fourmaux is in the 7th place and Munster crashed again on the first day.



A stage win and a 3rd this morning by Fourmaux shows a bit of progress...

[Jarek Z]

This time Solberg was a little less lucky:
https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1649743099068051457

[Jarek Z]

WRC2 Day 2 Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zW6y-d7ZsU

[Jarek Z]

Nicolas Ciamin's crash on SS13:
https://rallyandrace.pl/nicolas-ciamin-spektakularny-wypadek-na-wrc-chorwacji/

[Jarek Z]

Gryazin crashed in Portugal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRIybj9bMcI

[mousti]

Chris Ingram talks about his future plans..

https://www.facebook.com/100064585398384/posts/609159627913545/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram talks about his future plans..



Thanks a lot for this, finally an update even though it's not good news. His WRC2 season has paused due to funding struggles. :(

[RS]

Looks like Skoda found some money for Mikkelsen in the end, there are no other sponsors on the car.

[Jarek Z]

Munster crashed already on SS1:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv7Jaj5WwAEbp39?format=jpg&name=large

[Jarek Z]

What a drama in WRC2 on SS4:

Meeke Kris - Fulton James
Stopped

Gryazin Nikolay - Aleksandrov K.
Stopped

Zaldivar F. - Der Ohannesian M.
Stopped

Mikkelsen Andreas - Eriksen T.
Changed a puncture

[Jarek Z]

Drama continues on SS6:

Fourmaux Adrien - Coria Alexandre
Changed a puncture

Suninen Teemu - Markkula Mikko
Changed a puncture

Greensmith Gus - Andersson Jonas
Puncture

Pajari Sami - Mälkönen Enni
Broken steering arm

[Lead]

Punctures are part of the gravel rally no doubt, but this is getting ridiculous. Its killing the competition.

[er88]

Surely Pirelli can make a more durable tyre. Who cares at this point if the performance drops....

[Jarek Z]

Fourmaux was leading, but had punctures on SS5 and SS6.

[Jarek Z]

Greensmith after his puncture on SS6:
"No idea. I know how I got it, i'm driving on Pirellis. It's not a surprise. You can be as clean as you want, but it's a gamble when you're on Pirellis. The championship is decided by a tyre"

[Sulland]

Seems like the Fiesta upgrades are helping on Fourmauxs speed.

[mknight]

Maybe, but it's hard to judge when he is starting 15 cars later.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Adrien FOURMAUX @AdrienFourmaux

Missing the hat trick (of wins) this morning by 0.1s ! Fiesta Rally2 is amazing and the feeling too !

[Jarek Z]

SS13 - the nightmare continues:


Zaldivar F. - Der Ohannesian M.
Stopped

Bulacia B. - Coronado Jiménez A.
Stopped, continued, puncture.

Cachón Alejandro - Jandrín
Stopped, continued

Al-Rashed Rakan - Moscatt Dale
Stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwFjBKoWcAAtcgI?format=jpg&name=medium

[mknight]

Pretty close for many drivers in terms of speed (without taking into account punctures) so many can claim how "speed was there".

Greensmith was best of the normal positioned drivers on Saturday, weaker Friday and Sunday even with win.

Solberg had both first days weaker, but specially on Saturday could control. Yet it seems he ruined his tires on that normal last stage for no good reason which then hurt him on first stage of Sunday. Epic drive today, yet not enough.

Mikkelsen was fastest on Friday and second fastest today, but a bit weaker on Saturday. Still 43s behind win after losing 1:55 with tire off rim.

Fourmaux was fast Friday morning and best on Saturday with big road position advantage. Not good today.

Suninen kinda falls in the middle, never really great but never bad either.


Anyway seems new Fabia might not be so great on really slow stages like we had on Friday, so Sardinia might be interesting.

[Jarek Z]

Did Solberg get fined for doing donuts? Is this normal? How is this going to help this sport increase popularity?
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solbergs-donut-penalty-traces-its-roots-to-ogier/?fbclid=IwAR1YEQTsTz9DBRUyux1agYPSyariZ3AeGOTLUcS8 aoibg4v0p6GNpSulgn8

[Rallyper]

If they´d let him pay some 500 Euros or smth, but to affect the whole standings in the rally by punish him with timepenalty is ridiculous. Always is.

[PLuto]

I dont agree with this rule about doughnuts, it is not helping the popularity of the sport. But this rule exists and everybody knows about it. And every organiser can write in regulations that dougnuts are allowed on specified places. On the other hand, in supplementary regulations was clearly written that doughnuts are completely forbidden and penalty for breaking this rule will be minimum 5 minutes. So in this case only 1 min penalty for Solberg is breaking the rules by stewards and one big joke...

But for me biggest mistake is on the side of organisers, who put this sentence to the regulations. If they will write only doughnuts are not allowed without any specification of penalty, it can give stewards more freedom in choosing the penalty.

[denkimi]

But for me biggest mistake is on the side of organisers, who put this sentence to the regulations. If they will write only doughnuts are not allowed without any specification of penalty, it can give stewards more freedom in choosing the penalty.
Indeed.
I get why donuts etc are forbidden, but it should be up to the stewards to decide what the punishment is. If it was in a safe place a warning would suffice, if it was really dangerous they can give 5 minutes or even disqualification.

[Rallyper]

It should´ve been fines with money. Not time penalty.
And when creating rules they should be only dealing with dangerous habits.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram update:

Dear Rally fans and my loyal supporters,

I wanted to share my plans for the rest of the season and clarify why I haven't been out competing recently. I received incredible support ahead of Rallye Monte Carlo from my supporters via my crowdfunding army and again finished the 1st full privateer driver in the rally.

However in Monte Carlo, It became evident that the older Skoda WRC2 car was no match for the latest version. Unfortunately, I couldn't secure a deal with Toksport to compete in Portugal and Sardinia using the new car. They already have seven cars running, and the cost per event was simply not feasible for my current limited budget.

I have taken a step back to focus on making solid foundations for my career by working on fundraising, promoting my driver training and launching the Rally Warrior Experience in the UK, France, and Belgium.

The plan for the rest of the season is to build back up to WRC.

I have decided to enter the Ypres Rally with Wevers Sport in the highly succesful VW Polo GTI R5. The event will be intergrated with a Rally Warrior Experience day beforehand where you can have the chance to ride with me flat out on some iconic rally stages. I will also offer one lucky supporter of my crowdfunding army a ride in the car, as I did at my Rally Experience in Wales back in April.

If everything goes well, my plan is to then participate in the European Rally Championship in either Rally di Roma or the Czech Barum Rally before returning to the WRC towards the end of the season for the brand new Rally Central Europe. I feel these events will provide me with a platform to prepare for a full attack and full season in the World Rally Championship in 2024 with manufacturer support.

Recently, I had the pleasure of meeting a legendary British racing driver, who has been incredibly generous and has facilitated some key introductions, including some at the F1 Monaco GP this weekend !

I hope to have some more positive news in the near future.

Thank you for your amazing support and I hope to see many of you in Belgium !

Chris

[AnttiL]

The crowd funding promised the supporters' names on the side of the car on WRC events from Croatia onwards. Do they get refunds now?

[rallyfiend]

Geez that guy is full of rubbish.

[AnttiL]

I feel these events will provide me with a platform to prepare for a full attack and full season in the World Rally Championship in 2024 with manufacturer support.

How can he even be serious?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How can he even be serious?

There are many conversations going on and there could be 2024 seats available in Rally2 cars supported by M-Sport, Hyundai, Toksport and even Toyota will have their new Yaris.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The crowd funding promised the supporters' names on the side of the car on WRC events from Croatia onwards. Do they get refunds now?

No fans ever gave money for that reason. It was his way of thanking them, as he's done a few times before.

[ouvreur]

There are many conversations going on and there could be 2024 seats available in Rally2 cars supported by M-Sport, Hyundai, Toksport and even Toyota will have their new Yaris.

Maybe maybe maybe.

Why would any of those teams / manufacturers choose him, over any one of about a dozen other guys (who are just as fast or even faster), who have done more than 1 WRC rally in 2023 and can actually commit to a program?

I don't want to sound harsh, I admire the guy for what he's done on a smaller than average budget, but the sport doesn't stand still. If he doesn't absolutely dominate Ypres he's going to look pretty stupid with this decision.

[manthey]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc2-title-impossible-without-citroen-upgrades-rossel/

The game changer is the Rear diff for gravel

[Jarek Z]

Mikkelsen admits that he doesn’t have the budget to do full WRC2 championship:
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/mikkelsens-wrc2-ambitions-at-a-crossroads/

[TWRC]

Chris Ingram update:

Dear Rally fans and my loyal supporters,

I wanted to share my plans for the rest of the season and clarify why I haven't been out competing recently. I received incredible support ahead of Rallye Monte Carlo from my supporters via my crowdfunding army and again finished the 1st full privateer driver in the rally.

However in Monte Carlo, It became evident that the older Skoda WRC2 car was no match for the latest version. Unfortunately, I couldn't secure a deal with Toksport to compete in Portugal and Sardinia using the new car. They already have seven cars running, and the cost per event was simply not feasible for my current limited budget.

I have taken a step back to focus on making solid foundations for my career by working on fundraising, promoting my driver training and launching the Rally Warrior Experience in the UK, France, and Belgium.

The plan for the rest of the season is to build back up to WRC.

I have decided to enter the Ypres Rally with Wevers Sport in the highly succesful VW Polo GTI R5. The event will be intergrated with a Rally Warrior Experience day beforehand where you can have the chance to ride with me flat out on some iconic rally stages. I will also offer one lucky supporter of my crowdfunding army a ride in the car, as I did at my Rally Experience in Wales back in April.

If everything goes well, my plan is to then participate in the European Rally Championship in either Rally di Roma or the Czech Barum Rally before returning to the WRC towards the end of the season for the brand new Rally Central Europe. I feel these events will provide me with a platform to prepare for a full attack and full season in the World Rally Championship in 2024 with manufacturer support.

Recently, I had the pleasure of meeting a legendary British racing driver, who has been incredibly generous and has facilitated some key introductions, including some at the F1 Monaco GP this weekend !

I hope to have some more positive news in the near future.

Thank you for your amazing support and I hope to see many of you in Belgium !

Chris
For me, it is strange that if he has such difficulties, maybe he should try stepping back into the Stellantis Cup or JWRC. Many have done before him, and it could work out for him too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen admits that he doesn’t have the budget to do full WRC2 championship:
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/mikkelsens-wrc2-ambitions-at-a-crossroads/

Further proof if any was needed of how hard it is to raise the budget to drive a competitive Rally2 car in WRC2.

[TypeR]

It's not like the new skoda is the only car to drive and others are total crap..
All other cars have also shown good performance this season.

[Rallyest]

It's not like the new skoda is the only car to drive and others are total crap..
All other cars have also shown good performance this season.

I think all the hype behind Skoda's new car is behind excelent marketing and getting top drivers behind their new cars.
If you rent out 6-7 cars each rally 1-2 out of all ought to be on the podium, and i think this draws the image of the car being "superior" even tho all the other cars are capable also

[skarderud]

If Toyota want some top drivers in theire new Rally2 car, have they drivers "in-house" or are they looking for some new ones?

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[becher]

If Toyota want some top drivers in theire new Rally2 car, have they drivers "in-house" or are they looking for some new ones?

Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

Well I'd like to see the team principal in it for the WRC debut or better still Katsuta in the Rally2 and Latvala as a one of substitute.

Wishful thinking of course.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw_mGFjXgA4Yhbq?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw_mGFeXgA4nFsl?format=jpg&name=large

[CeskyOndra]

Prokop's livery is sooo sick!

[Jarek Z]

Good livery indeed!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How the other half live. Like Solberg, Greensmith can afford to do non-scoriing rounds...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-greensmith-chose-not-to-score-points-in-sardinia/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solberg also now entered at Safari Rally but not for WRC2 points...

[AnttiL]

How the other half live. Like Solberg, Greensmith can afford to do non-scoriing rounds...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-greensmith-chose-not-to-score-points-in-sardinia/



Solberg also now entered at Safari Rally but not for WRC2 points...

Ingram got to drive in Monte, I didn't get to do any WRC2 rounds...

[ouvreur]

Exactly!

"How the other half live"?

Rally is expensive, full stop.

[seb_sh]

Ingram got to drive in Monte, I didn't get to do any WRC2 rounds...

I'm confident I can be WRC2 champion I just need the budget. After I win you can do Monte in my car as I will be going to Rally1 for a manufacturer team.

:p

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram got to drive in Monte, I didn't get to do any WRC2 rounds...

Did you spend every waking hour trying to raise budget though ?

Doing WRC2 is crazy expensive but some can do however many events they like. Hardly a level playing field for the rest, not just Ingram.

[AnttiL]

Did you spend every waking hour trying to raise budget though ?

No, but I sent whiny messages on social media complaining about others driving while I am not. It should get me a factory seat.

[ouvreur]

No, but I sent whiny messages on social media complaining about others driving while I am not. It should get me a factory seat.

If that fails, you can always share the same video of yourself breaking the law on a 'famous F1 corner' 1000x times...

[AndrewTate]

Eddie, there are more gifted guys from UK to root for. Gus, who is one of them is not at fault for coming from a good background.

If he was showing some exceptional potential it'd be different but he's a midfield player. 2019 ERC champ... Yeah, let's not forget ZERO wins and only 4 stagewins throughout the season shows how meaningful this title was...

[Jarek Z]

4 punctures on SS4 - the longest stage of Rally Italia Sardegna - 49.90km!
Prokop Martin: puncture
Kremer Armin: puncture
Bulacia Bruno: double puncture
Gryazin Nikolay: puncture

[ferrial]

I don't know whether this information has already been written here, but Robert Virves is changing co-driver and will drive along with Craig Drew.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If he was showing some exceptional potential it'd be different but he's a midfield player. 2019 ERC champ... Yeah, let's not forget ZERO wins and only 4 stagewins throughout the season shows how meaningful this title was...

That's what happens when you literally cannot afford to crash.

His first crash in about 6 years was last season in Greece and his career hasn't recovered due to the cost incurred proves the point.

[rallyfiend]

If you can't afford to crash, perhaps the World Championship is a bit above your means?

Perhaps winning any other event outright (national championship or similar) would prove useful in attractiing sponsors or manufacturer attention. Has he ever won a rally outright?

[bomber21]

Twice in the recent years.

[ouvreur]

Twice in the recent years.

Since his junior championship days, he's won one actual rally outright.

He's got a decent chance in Nice and Ypres, to be fair, but if he can't win either of them it will say a lot.

[Kenneth]

But he also plans to start in Roma or Barum and Central Europe. I really can't see him win any of these events, or even finish on podium.

[Hartusvuori]

Twice in the recent years.

The other being a small event Spain with no other R5/Rally2, let alone four-wheel drive entries. The other was a club event in UK again against competition well below his level.

Tomorrow in Nice he should win. He knows the stages and their nature from recent Monte Carlo rallies and the competition is not that strong. But in Ypres - that'd be his career-best result if he'd win there.

[Hartusvuori]

Accident retirement for Ingram on SS5. He was holding 2nd place, 4,7s behind Fotia after SS4.

[lmmjvss]

Ingram is more of a good character than an aweesooome driver. Which is also great to have on the sport tbh.

[Andre Oliveira]

Alberto Heller in Puma Rally1 at Chile.

https://rallypasionvcp.wixsite.com/rallypasion/post/alberto-heller-y-luis-allende-disputaran-el-rally-de-chile-con-un-ford-puma-rally1?fbclid=IwAR01-SkpeEaZgI6PYTcZMIaZMuRj1uiSPP7tQ_nxdaOD5f4LC99Yb98 QuaI_aem_th_AW4x-cuAxg5HmKbMUpWTF4kilCfsH4JLpXBq4JP09DPKFMnE2c1VfvA ZaaIa5TriioQ

[Jarek Z]

Chris Ingram update:
(...)
I have decided to enter the Ypres Rally with Wevers Sport in the highly succesful VW Polo GTI R5. The event will be intergrated with a Rally Warrior Experience day beforehand where you can have the chance to ride with me flat out on some iconic rally stages. I will also offer one lucky supporter of my crowdfunding army a ride in the car, as I did at my Rally Experience in Wales back in April.

It will not be easy to win in Ypres against Lefebvre, Fourmaux and a couple of local specialists:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/79664-ardeca-ypres-rally-2023/

[fiscorpun]

Random but interesting video on the costs of running a R5 Fiesta from Msport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l3xr7OGbXo

[the sniper]

Random but interesting video on the costs of running a R5 Fiesta from Msport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l3xr7OGbXo


I'm surprised we haven't seen a video like this before, though I'd imagine the likes of M-Sport would at least try to dissuade it...

[Sal yet again]

His videos make interesting viewing and it appears that the day to day running costs seem to be similar to his previous Clubmans Group A evo. Things like mapping for various fuel types seem to be where M Sport start turning the screw and then you move onto the bespoke parts and then the costs only go one way.

[becher]

Random but interesting video on the costs of running a R5 Fiesta from Msport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l3xr7OGbXo

Quite interesting,I assume the km in the service schedule are stage km?

[denkimi]

Random but interesting video on the costs of running a R5 Fiesta from Msport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l3xr7OGbXo
It seems this guy is doing only very small short rallies. 40 miles per event is more a rallysprint.

[Steve Boyd]

It seems this guy is doing only very small short rallies. 40 miles per event is more a rallysprint.
40 to 45 stage miles is normal for 1-day gravel events in the UK.

[Jarek Z]

Here in Poland only amateur rallies and rallysprints are so short.

[HKSjbg]

It’s one of the main bugbears of rallying fans in the UK that our forest events (and even some closed-road events) are so pathetically short

[Steve Boyd]

It’s one of the main bugbears of rallying fans in the UK that our forest events (and even some closed-road events) are so pathetically short
I'm old enough to remember the ANCRO championship (70 forest stage miles in a day) and 2 to 3 day BRC events but, sadly, today's competitors can't (or won't) pay for anything more than 45 miles on one day.

[240RS]

I'm old enough to remember the ANCRO championship (70 forest stage miles in a day) and 2 to 3 day BRC events but, sadly, today's competitors can't (or won't) pay for anything more than 45 miles on one day.

So much has changed over the years that it's hard to even fathom Rally as an endurance challenge any more.

Admittedly, it would be hard to keep more recent generations excited about rallying if you reverted to old formats. And you need them. Also, with ballooning costs of modern-day rally cars, it would put off most competitors if you drove up the mileage. However, the writing is on the wall. A blend that keeps the image of the support alive-and-well in the eyes of Joe Public, while appealing to the die-hard must be found.

We, who have always enjoyed the sport, can only hope for the best.

[AndyRAC]

So much has changed over the years that it's hard to even fathom Rally as an endurance challenge any more.


We, who have always enjoyed the sport, can only hope for the best.

Those in the sport have told us for years that Endurance is no longer relevant in modern day motorsport.........

The evidence tells us quite the opposite....and today, yet another manufacturer joins the FiA WEC......

[jcevc]

Those in the sport have told us for years that Endurance is no longer relevant in modern day motorsport.........

The evidence tells us quite the opposite....and today, yet another manufacturer joins the FiA WEC......

Coming also Alpine/Renault, BMW and unofficially also Acura (which is already very successful in IMSA) in 2024. So there is evidently interest in racing by manufacturers...but not for WRC. Sorry for off-topic.

[skarderud]

Mikkelsen doing more rallies with toksport, aiming for 6 rallies this season, Finland and Estonia also, he hope to do some impact on the competition.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gus 90% fit after collapsed lung...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/greensmith-feeling-90-reveals-extent-of-injuries/

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/AsachiG/status/1681725302962044936

[Jarek Z]

Solberg says he’d rather be the quickest driver in the category than the champion:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solberg-would-rather-be-fastest-than-wrc2-champion/?fbclid=IwAR1Ay-rxVni3GtTqF9I3W9E1WEZn_5zmoUtp6FJlKvs2YwlTwyNKd-c-BLY

[bomber21]

Not a wise mindset.

[TypeR]

Why not?
You can learn to be more stable, but it is very hard to ,,learn'' raw speed..
Yes, Mikkelsen won the WRC2 title and this year is repeating ,,smart driving'' all the time.. but pacewise he isn't near for dominating the series..
Same with Lindholm, reigning WRC2 champ, but let's be honest, times don't show it.

[cali]

Why not?
You can learn to be more stable, but it is very hard to ,,learn'' raw speed..
Yes, Mikkelsen won the WRC2 title and this year is repeating ,,smart driving'' all the time.. but pacewise he isn't near for dominating the series..
Same with Lindholm, reigning WRC2 champ, but let's be honest, times don't show it.Agree 100% and most of the team bosses will probably look at the things on the same way.
Speedwise Oliver is head above the rest and he needs one more season to progress and learn and then he will be in Rally1 car for sure.

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[denkimi]

They always claim it's easier to make a fast driver reliable than to make a reliable driver fast.
But many drivers never achieve both. Team bosses don't want drivers that crash too much.

[mknight]

Since at least Estonia and Monza 2020 "everybody" in the rally world has seen Solberg can do quick stage times.

Since at least mid 2021 "everybody" has doubted his ability to transform stage times into results. This inability got him kicked from Hyundai

Claiming two years later that speed(= stage times ) is most important means you (purposely?) ignore last 2 years of his career. Funny that basically everyone commenting on the article on web and Twitter agrees yet here we always get a resident troll...

To be fair though, actually reading what Solberg says, he seems to be a bit more understanding of that himself (see last sentence). The article is mostly Dirtfish clickbait. I do hope team Solberg learned something about their approach in those two years.

Sweden and Portugal were great. Target for Finland has to be to make it to finish at around podium, instead of "showing" speed again and crashing 3rd year n a row.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram is planning to enter the new Central European Rally.

He hopes the new event with all drivers making new pace notes will make it a level playing field. The car/team isn't decided yet but it will be Toksport Fabia or a Polo R5 as he drove in Ypres.

[Corcaíoch]

It must be very dissappointing sometimes to be a WRC2 driver or sponsor. Its talked up as being a feeder series and a stepping stone to a Rally 1 drive but it hardly gets a look in with regards media coverage and exposure.
Take Finland for example we have the reigning champion Lindholm, former champion Mikkelsen, former Rally 1 drivers still trying to prove the deserve another chance Fourmaux, Greensmith, Solberg and local stars like Huttunen, Pajari, etc. Should be a very interesting battle in many ways. Also its fair to say Solberg has more of a profile / fan base than many Rally 1 drivers.
In spite of all this it hardly seems to get a mention in the rally build up. At least in the english language stuff I've seen. Don't think it was mentioned at all in the WRC+ preview magazine video, and the Dirtfish podcast didn't mention it at all either, if I remember correctly, not even a mention for Solberg who they rarely miss an opportunity to mention.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There's lots of sports like this where only the top players / teams / leagues get the attention. It's the way of the world and always was.

In WRC the way to fix it is to make Rally2 the top class. Or the winner of WRC2 gets a guaranteed seat in a Rally1 car next season so more people will watch to see who that will be.

[wyler]

There's lots of sports like this where only the top players / teams / leagues get the attention. It's the way of the world and always was.

In WRC the way to fix it is to make Rally2 the top class. Or the winner of WRC2 gets a guaranteed seat in a Rally1 car next season so more people will watch to see who that will be.

no, it's not. will be the same as now, attention will be on the top spot cars/drivers, 99% of time will be manu's car.

fix is giving some exposure by fans/unofficial media. make blog post, fantasy rally, videos, articles, fan art dedicated to them. create demand for.

[Sulland]

Must say I have started to follow WRC2 more than WRC1, that have 8-9 cars in average. WRC1 have cars that in real life must be facinating to watch, but on pc or TV the speed difference btw RC1 and RC2 is not that great through the small screen.

In RC2 they are 30-50 cars fighting. Not the same crews are on top on all surfaces, so the competition is closer, and you will get a crew fighting in the top 10, sometimes higher.

RC3 is growing and getting better. i think they could get 1 more millimetre of air, to get them even a bit closer to RC2, if that will not kill the engine reliability of their engines.

If WRC1 class do not soon get a couple of new brands, it should be killed off, before it kills the rally sport.

[Jarek Z]

It must be very dissappointing sometimes to be a WRC2 driver or sponsor. Its talked up as being a feeder series and a stepping stone to a Rally 1 drive but it hardly gets a look in with regards media coverage and exposure.

Well, you are right, but it's worth to add that it was even worse a couple of years ago. There used to be no mention of WRC2 at all. Now they at least have some articles on WRC.com or Dirtfish and official event highlights on YouTube after each rally, like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV1FE7Y6HQE
so it's not perfect, but still much better than it used to be.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

no, it's not. will be the same as now, attention will be on the top spot cars/drivers, 99% of time will be manu's car.

fix is giving some exposure by fans/unofficial media. make blog post, fantasy rally, videos, articles, fan art dedicated to them. create demand for.

No, that's not a fix, that's a wish list that wont happen.

A fix is a change in Regs that will force more attention on all drivers in WRC2/Rally2 cars.

[wyler]

No, that's not a fix, that's a wish list that wont happen.

A fix is a change in Regs that will force more attention on all drivers in WRC2/Rally2 cars.

force attention by rules?
marketing/storytelling teaches the world that the juice is in the story, not in the content.
they could try to force more coverage, not. more attention

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rich Miilener answered my question on WRC+ re a Puma Rally2 being in the pipeline.

He said they are looking at it, but it's not yet confirmed as they are still awaiting the future Regs as cars are generally getting bigger and this will need to be taken into account.

Does anyone know when the next Rally2 Regs will be decided?

[PLuto]

Does anyone know when the next Rally2 Regs will be decided?

Nobody knows...

[Andre Oliveira]

Puma Rally2 without be in space frame? I don't think so.

[becher]

Puma Rally2 without be in space frame? I don't think so.
Seems impossible, without a big regulation change.

[skarderud]

I they open for spaceframe in Rally2 also, its no point of manu's, then serious privateers can build own cars.

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[PLuto]

Toyota Yaris Rally2 will be the last R5 car under current regulations. Any other new Rally2 car will be made according to new regulations (but nobody knows when they will be available)...

[WRCStan]

It must be very dissappointing sometimes to be a WRC2 driver or sponsor. Its talked up as being a feeder series and a stepping stone to a Rally 1 drive but it hardly gets a look in with regards media coverage and exposure.

Drivers and sponsors know the score, they're not expecting great exposure. Interestingly, this power stage was the first time I heard Julian call it a support series. Annoys me when they call them (WRC2/3/J) feeder series, that's total bollocks leading viewers to believe in things that don't exist.

[Mirek]

Seems impossible, without a big regulation change.

Rich Millener hinted on all live that there were ongoing discussions about larger cars and (of course) hybrids, purely for marketing reasons. It's likely that the manufacturers want to opt for some small SUV/crossovers instead of the dying B segment. Since the Rally2 generally only needs to be slower than Rally1 and faster than Rally3 it may not be an issue if the cars are not as fast as the current Rally2 (except for the transition period with both together but that could be solved by slowing down the outgoing generation artifficially - not saying it's a good thing but it's certainly possible and it was done in the past).

And... Hello guys :)

[cali]

Rich Millener hinted on all live that there were ongoing discussions about larger cars and (of course) hybrids, purely for marketing reasons. It's likely that the manufacturers want to opt for some small SUV/crossovers instead of the dying B segment. Since the Rally2 generally only needs to be slower than Rally1 and faster than Rally3 it may not be an issue if the cars are not as fast as the current Rally2 (except for the transition period with both together but that could be solved by slowing down the outgoing generation artifficially - not saying it's a good thing but it's certainly possible and it was done in the past).

And... Hello guys :)Welcome back! I for one surely missed you! Great to have you back here and hopefully you're doing fine :)

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[becher]

Rich Millener hinted on all live that there were ongoing discussions about larger cars and (of course) hybrids, purely for marketing reasons. It's likely that the manufacturers want to opt for some small SUV/crossovers instead of the dying B segment. Since the Rally2 generally only needs to be slower than Rally1 and faster than Rally3 it may not be an issue if the cars are not as fast as the current Rally2 (except for the transition period with both together but that could be solved by slowing down the outgoing generation artifficially - not saying it's a good thing but it's certainly possible and it was done in the past).

And... Hello guys :)

That would certainly be the most sensible option considering manufacturers still invest quit a bit in customer racing programs.

Also, good to see you back. Looking forward to some more technical minded talk on the forum again.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rich Millener hinted on all live that there were ongoing discussions about larger cars and (of course) hybrids, purely for marketing reasons. It's likely that the manufacturers want to opt for some small SUV/crossovers instead of the dying B segment. Since the Rally2 generally only needs to be slower than Rally1 and faster than Rally3 it may not be an issue if the cars are not as fast as the current Rally2 (except for the transition period with both together but that could be solved by slowing down the outgoing generation artifficially - not saying it's a good thing but it's certainly possible and it was done in the past).

And... Hello guys :)

Hello again ! :)

I mentioned this on the previous page about Millener and future Rally2 using bigger cars.

With the recent Fabia RS selling in droves and next the Yaris Rally2, it will be very tricky to balance sales of these and any new spec cars. It seems the Puma could be the first but will M-Sport have the money or be willing to take the risk of being the guinea pig ?

[ouvreur]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-copying-solberg-made-mikkelsen-angry/

Oh Andreas. Surely he must realise how stupid he looks, admitting to something like this?

Mr Waiting For A Manufacturer Drive, one of the main development drivers of the new Fabia, copying the setup of the kid who couldn't cut it as a works driver in 2022 and hating it?

Literally every rally he does makes him look less and less worth a Rally1 seat... he'd have been better trying to claim he had a cold or something...

[EstWRC]

Rally1 train has left for him ages ago

Time to get a proper job

[Jarek Z]

Time to get a proper job

I can't believe how stupid this comment is. Do you want even more good rally drivers to quit this sport and fill rally stages with rich talentless gentleman drivers who pay for their seat?

[mknight]

Again it is hilarious how the comments aimed at Mikkelsen are relative to other drivers. Have to wonder why.

To the fun points here:
-The kid who didn't cut it as works driver in 2022 (Solberg) did so because of crashing, not so much due to speed.

- Solberg, Greensmith, Gryazin etc. have by now far more stage kms in the new Fabia than Mikkelsen and some of them also test much more.

- on a bad rally he still got 4th and leads championship with less or equal starts than anyone else. On the rally before he led almost whole rally and was joint fastest on PS. Yet "every rally he does makes him look less worthy"...ok

- he gets paid by Skoda for WRC2 title chase, that the other Skoda drivers seem far from certain to get vs Rossel. But yeah "get a proper job". Now that we have established that rally isn't a proper job can we send Tanak to go drive a garbage truck? Or does the "proper job" apply selectively?

[becher]

Again it is hilarious how the comments aimed at Mikkelsen are relative to other drivers. Have to wonder why.

To the fun points here:
-The kid who didn't cut it as works driver in 2022 (Solberg) did so because of crashing, not so much due to speed.

- Solberg, Greensmith, Gryazin etc. have by now far more stage kms in the new Fabia than Mikkelsen and some of them also test much more.

- on a bad rally he still got 4th and leads championship with less or equal starts than anyone else. On the rally before he led almost whole rally and was joint fastest on PS. Yet "every rally he does makes him look less worthy"...ok

- he gets paid by Skoda for WRC2 title chase, that the other Skoda drivers seem far from certain to get vs Rossel. But yeah "get a proper job". Now that we have established that rally isn't a proper job can we send Tanak to go drive a garbage truck? Or does the "proper job" apply selectively?

For once I agree...sort of.

[seb_sh]

Rally1 train has left for him ages ago

Time to get a proper job

thought you were joking at first but seems other take it seriously

not that Mikkelsen is a lost WDC but the only reason he's not in rally1 is a lack of cars...

[TypeR]

Ffs, I wanted to edit a typo, but the whole post disappeared.

Taking it all together a bit shorter.
Again it is hilarious that you yet find another thing to defend the dominatinf driver.
Yes, he has got the wins, but he is not a dominating driver anymore!
He isn't driving for rally1 drive anymore.. otherwise he should have beaten all those ,,young noobsters'' by calendar.
More to that.. if he really tried Solberg's settings and failed with that.. Don't fk moan aboit it.

And about more stage kms.. cut the crap.
He was the main guy developing and testing the new Fabia.

[TypeR]

More to that.. Pajari is beating him in stages and Lindholm has got a factory seat in wrc2 cae

[cali]

Again it is hilarious how the comments aimed at Mikkelsen are relative to other drivers. Have to wonder why.

To the fun points here:
-The kid who didn't cut it as works driver in 2022 (Solberg) did so because of crashing, not so much due to speed.

- Solberg, Greensmith, Gryazin etc. have by now far more stage kms in the new Fabia than Mikkelsen and some of them also test much more.

- on a bad rally he still got 4th and leads championship with less or equal starts than anyone else. On the rally before he led almost whole rally and was joint fastest on PS. Yet "every rally he does makes him look less worthy"...ok

- he gets paid by Skoda for WRC2 title chase, that the other Skoda drivers seem far from certain to get vs Rossel. But yeah "get a proper job". Now that we have established that rally isn't a proper job can we send Tanak to go drive a garbage truck? Or does the "proper job" apply selectively?Tänak may rather well be driving a garbage truck but he will be doing that with a WDC trophy. That's a whole different level to Mikkelsen who's instead of "dominating" on the subcategory gets driving lessons and to try to be on pace copies setups already, I smell desperation as anything.

But ok, he's a decent driver just his excuses are flat out hilarious by now.

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[skarderud]

Hey kids!

Mikkelsen is a WDC.

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[cali]

Hey kids!

Mikkelsen is a WDC.

Sent fra min SM-S901B via TapatalkNot in WRC / Rally1

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[Sulland]

Not in WRC / Rally1

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No, but taking a championship in WRC2 gives in some seasons more cred than in WRC1.
- Less competition in number of cars
- Much bigger difference btw cars due to manufacturer "prototypes" compared to a car all of us can buy. Same as in F1 and F2.

[tommeke_B]

No, but taking a championship in WRC2 gives in some seasons more cred than in WRC1.
- Less competition in number of cars
- Much bigger difference btw cars due to manufacturer "prototypes" compared to a car all of us can buy. Same as in F1 and F2.

I'd agree with you if WRC2 wasn't a championship where you can select your set of events and avoid the competition.

[bomber21]

Ffs, I wanted to edit a typo, but the whole post disappeared.

This happens for months now in the forum. When you try to edit post, post gets deleted.

[cali]

No, but taking a championship in WRC2 gives in some seasons more cred than in WRC1.
- Less competition in number of cars
- Much bigger difference btw cars due to manufacturer "prototypes" compared to a car all of us can buy. Same as in F1 and F2.Okayy....

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[EstWRC]

No, but taking a championship in WRC2 gives in some seasons more cred than in WRC1.
- Less competition in number of cars
- Much bigger difference btw cars due to manufacturer "prototypes" compared to a car all of us can buy. Same as in F1 and F2.

Nah. JWRC gives even more cred cause they all have the same cars and there is more drivers…..

[skarderud]

Not in WRC / Rally1

Sent from my CPH2493 using TapatalkYou have to call FIA and tell them that a WRC2 championship is not a real WDC.

Here some are discussing how worthless the best drivers in WRC2 are, but not how f..ng shitty todays Rally1 championship is that don't allow the best talents and the champions from the lower tier classes to even get a test.

I don't care about those "insane cars", yeah, they are insane in every way, but they ruin the sport. This isn't anything close the DNA of rallying, its dead.

But, its ofcourse better to bash the drivers trying than discuss the real problems for "real rallyfans"......

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[cali]

You have to call FIA and tell them that a WRC2 championship is not a real WDC.

Here some are discussing how worthless the best drivers in WRC2 are, but not how f..ng shitty todays Rally1 championship is that don't allow the best talents and the champions from the lower tier classes to even get a test.

I don't care about those "insane cars", yeah, they are insane in every way, but they ruin the sport. This isn't anything close the DNA of rallying, its dead.

But, its ofcourse better to bash the drivers trying than discuss the real problems for "real rallyfans"......

Sent fra min SM-S901B via TapatalkNice rant but best drivers (at least 5-6 drivers) are in Rally1 cars, simple as that.
Otherwise by your (norwegian) standards the best rally drivers in recent years are Lindholm and Kajto hehe

And nobody's bashing Mikkelsen's driving (very decent driver) but his attitude and excuses when he is being beaten fair and square.

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[becher]

Ay these partisan discussions are kind of pointless. Very few people stay rational when certain driver names get thrown around.

[skarderud]

Nice rant but best drivers (at least 5-6 drivers) are in Rally1 cars, simple as that.
Otherwise by your (norwegian) standards the best rally drivers in recent years are Lindholm and Kajto hehe

And nobody's bashing Mikkelsen's driving (very decent driver) but his attitude and excuses when he is being beaten fair and square.

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I'm Norwegian, but not particular Mikkelsen fan, i'm a fan of every decent driver around, mostly atleast.

The ruleset of the wrc2 championship is something we can disquss, but we can't use against every driver we dont support.

Mikkelsen shouldn't make setup mistakes like that he did in Finland, but lots of drivers thru the years has done that kind of mistakes, its often a desicion they made togheter with the team/engineers.

The problem is most often the drivers/team/engineers thinks this&that is teoretical faster, but if the driver don't have the feeling, or they forgot to count in the variety of the road (as subaru in 2005-06 did) noone can drive it fast, practical always triumph teoretical.

I hope every decent driver that can make it can earn a chance in the top-class, why not?

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[RS]

And about more stage kms.. cut the crap.
He was the main guy developing and testing the new Fabia.

I don't think that's accurate actually, he was one of the 4 test drivers but the main one was Meeke.

[er88]

Thought Mikkelsen was going to do a "Lappi" this season and blitz the opposition? Wish he'd just do himself a favour and stop talking. He can't back up his talk.

[er88]

I don't think that's accurate actually, he was one of the 4 test drivers but the main one was Meeke.Andreas and Jan had more kms I'm sure

[Walach]

Jan did not have that much seat time as in the past, wouldn’t say he did more than Meeke.

[Sulland]

Thought Mikkelsen was going to do a "Lappi" this season and blitz the opposition? Wish he'd just do himself a favour and stop talking. He can't back up his talk.

He did that last year.
Still struggeling to get the best out of the new Skoda, along with several other drivers.
seems it has a smaller "sweet spot" than the older Fabias, more similar to the Polo.

[cali]

He did that last year.
Still struggeling to get the best out of the new Skoda, along with several other drivers.
seems it has a smaller "sweet spot" than the older Fabias, more similar to the Polo.Or... The competition is higher this season (Solberg, Pajari)

And... Getting ridiculed by Lappi in Finland was far from "dominating"

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[AndersX]

This happens for months now in the forum. When you try to edit post, post gets deleted.

I thought I was the only one with this problem. Now I am calm.

[denkimi]

This happens for months now in the forum. When you try to edit post, post gets deleted.
Months? Years. On my pc is usually works, but on my phone there's no point in trying to edit a post.

[TypeR]

Wrong thread tho.. but maybe I found a trick.
If using phone, then before editing switch to ,,Full Site'' mode and it seems to work..

[atsiotras79]

Does something happens also with private messages? I read a new message and I answered twice but it doesn’t seem to send anything… Rallyper?

[Rallyper]

Does something happens also with private messages? I read a new message and I answered twice but it doesn’t seem to send anything… Rallyper?

I got two messages from you. And answered too. :)

[Rallyper]

I got two messages from you. And answered too. :)

Btw. Sitting with envelope now, posting this week... ;)

[Kenneth]

You have to call FIA and tell them that a WRC2 championship is not a real WDC.

Well I mean... FIA will agree with you, only overall winner is WORLD Driver's Champion... Lindholm is current WRC2 Champion, but not WORLD Champion. Same as RX2e champion is not world champion or Formula 2 champion is not world champion.

[wyler]

Well I mean... FIA will agree with you, only overall winner is WORLD Driver's Champion... Lindholm is current WRC2 Champion, but not WORLD Champion. Same as RX2e champion is not world champion or Formula 2 champion is not world champion.

but wrc2 means WORLD rally championship 2. so it is world champion, of the 2nd championship. just as for motorbikes, a moto2 or moto3 champ is a world champion, just in support championship.

[Mirek]

Well I mean... FIA will agree with you, only overall winner is WORLD Driver's Champion... Lindholm is current WRC2 Champion, but not WORLD Champion. Same as RX2e champion is not world champion or Formula 2 champion is not world champion.

No.

[TypeR]

Well, there was same discussion at the beginning of the year/season.. and I am on the ,,it is world champioship title'' side..



The discussion is here..
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?42965-WRC2-news-amp-rumors-2023&p=1316696#post1316696

[Kenneth]

but wrc2 means WORLD rally championship 2. so it is world champion, of the 2nd championship. just as for motorbikes, a moto2 or moto3 champ is a world champion, just in support championship.

Moto2 and Moto3 champions are World Champions, but it's FIM, not FIA. Just look at FIA website. It's WRC2 Championship, not World Rally2 Championship, as dumb as it sound.

[wyler]

Moto2 and Moto3 champions are World Champions, but it's FIM, not FIA. Just look at FIA website. It's WRC2 Championship, not World Rally2 Championship, as dumb as it sound.

mmmm to me, wrc is just an acronym...stands for...

"Now in its 51st season, the FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) continues to shine a spotlight on sustainability while also placing a firm focus on safety and performance." FIA website

can't think wrc is acronym for rally 1 and not for the others...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Championship-2

still, we can ask dirtfish or all live to shine some light on it! : )


edit:
skoda use it as world championship...

"and four crews have won World Championships in its colours in their categories."
https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/championship/wrc2-world-rally-championship/

[WRCStan]

mmmm to me, wrc is just an acronym...stands for...

"Now in its 51st season, the FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) continues to shine a spotlight on sustainability while also placing a firm focus on safety and performance." FIA website

can't think wrc is acronym for rally 1 and not for the others...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Championship-2

still, we can ask dirtfish or all live to shine some light on it! : )


edit:
skoda use it as world championship...

"and four crews have won World Championships in its colours in their categories."
https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/championship/wrc2-world-rally-championship/

I'll add for everybody reading that WRC2 crews inherently also compete for the World Rally Championship, which itself stretches beyond Rally1.

Skoda's four world championships claim is not accurate, just as four of five of the manufacturer's titles did not happen. They're being understandably liberal for readers who aren't as 'nuanced', and probably don't care themselves.

Wikipedia refused on vote to change the article titles as they will not accept what the FIA says (regs) for being "too close to the subject matter" to be used as a reliable source; and the term WRC2 was found 'not to be commonly used'(!). The 'common' name for a subject being the policy over any 'official' name.

I'm with Kenneth, the regs or this FIA publication (https://issuu.com/issufia/docs/pg22_brochure_150x210mm_2_dec/32) has best authority and every title in full. No World Champions in WRC2/3 meanwhile no abbreviation of T3/T4/T5 W2RC. But this doesn't make the wins any less of their own achievement or useful for the conversation.

[Jarek Z]

I like Oliver Solberg, I have nothing against him, but isn't it it a little "funny" or childish that after he probably lost the chance to win WRC2, he criticizes the regulations?
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-solberg-doesnt-like-about-wrc2/