[WRC] Rally Estonia 2022

[Rallyper]

Solberg would have benefitted from another full season in WRC2 imho

He should benefitted from driving all rallies. Not intermittent.
Also from a decent car, which Hyundai isn´t.

[Tauri_J]

Raining now

[EstWRC]

Everybody having huge moments at our place except Tänak so far

Breen almost binned it and the other hitting the bank

Quick S corner which fast change

[EstWRC]

Evans the wildest!

Crazy guys these are

[Rally Hokkaido]

Evans the wildest!

Crazy guys these are

He looks wild on TV, too!

[dupanton]

With the risk to jinx it... Fourmaux doing an excellent job. Often fastest Ford and now mistakes or punctures till now. In a battle with Katsuta in a much better car and ahead of Solberg, Greensmith, Loubet etc...

[AnttiL]

Evans the wildest!

Crazy guys these are

So new cars look still neat on the stages?

[focus206]

this photo sums up the current situation in Hyundai pretty good at the moment..
https://www.upload.ee/image/14330498/Screenshot_20220716-101507_Instagram.jpg

lol... after driving and servicing the car, next thing you know Tanak and Neuville will design a new one. Might do a better job.

[AnttiL]

With the risk to jinx it... Fourmaux doing an excellent job. Often fastest Ford and now mistakes or punctures till now. In a battle with Katsuta in a much better car and ahead of Solberg, Greensmith, Loubet etc...

Not faster than Breen though

[AnttiL]

What happened to Lindholm late yesterday?

Puncture

[EstWRC]

So new cars look still neat on the stages?

They look spectacular, I don’t see the difference

[dupanton]

Not faster than Breen though

Yes, I meant mainly yesterday. Comparing him to Craig wouldn't be fair either.

[Rallyper]

11:33 "server couldn´t be found"

Edit: Found again... :)

[dimviii]

what about talking Tanak?

"It's very challenging and it was a big surprise for me. I didn't know anything about that."

[Hüttünen]

Evans even crazier!

Kalle wasn’t that commited and Tänak and Evans

This is true. Kalle was sleepy and made mistakes. Now he find the normal pace.

[EstWRC]

what about talking Tanak?

"It's very challenging and it was a big surprise for me. I didn't know anything about that."

About weather

[cali]

They look spectacular, I don’t see the differenceYes, the same or even better

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[AnttiL]

They look spectacular, I don’t see the difference

Yeah, just remembering last year people, not particularly you, doubting the new heavier cars with less aero etc ;)

[AnttiL]

What Ott said in Estonian at the end of yesterday’s last stage?

[EstWRC]

This is true. Kalle was sleepy and made mistakes. Now he find the normal pace.

Yea yea he is the best. We get it

[WRCStan]

What Ott said in Estonian at the end of yesterday’s last stage?

"It's been an awesome day."

[EstWRC]

"It's been an awesome day."

But with sarcasm of course

[AnttiL]

But with sarcasm of course

Of course

[AnttiL]

Tänak hasn’t won a single stage in this rally yet.

[Hüttünen]

Yea yea he is the best. We get it

But not always. In Sardegna Kalle had Gus Greensmith mode. And Tänak was excellent (except in Power Stage).

Also in Kenya Kalle shit to his pants when PS came.

[PLuto]

Serious questions requires serious answers.

https://rally-base.com/crew-profile/crew-detail/?competitionId=662&crewId=61290&ssGroupId=1

[EstWRC]

Tänak hasn’t won a single stage in this rally yet.

I can only see it happening tomorrow when everybody is cruising

[AnttiL]

I can only see it happening tomorrow when everybody is cruising

As long as it stays tight between Elfyn and Kalle, no cruising.

[Hüttünen]

As long as it stays tight between Elfyn and Kalle, no cruising.

It seems to be 30+ seconds after this day. At least the final stages tomorrow before Power Stage will be cruising if anything unexpected won’t happen.

[AnttiL]

If someone is cruising on Sunday, it’s Ott.

[Rallyper]

Cruising isn´t a solution when anything can happen. Today we´ve seen random punctures. Could happen to anyone in top of the field as well. So Ott should be on his toes all the way as long as time distance is shorter than minutes.

[Hüttünen]

Cruising isn´t a solution when anything can happen. Today we´ve seen random punctures. Could happen to anyone in top of the field as well. So Ott should be on his toes all the way as long as time distance is shorter than minutes.

Yeah, true. But by cruising you might avoid punctures as well.

[TypeR]

Tänak won't cruise at home..

[cali]

If someone is cruising on Sunday, it’s Ott.It's now "bring points home" mode. No need to push to prove something.

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[PLuto]

Cruising isn´t a solution when anything can happen. Today we´ve seen random punctures. Could happen to anyone in top of the field as well. So Ott should be on his toes all the way as long as time distance is shorter than minutes.

It could happen to anyone in top except Kalle. He is so lucky this year that it is "almost impossible" for him to get a puncture (or loose any significant time because of it) :)

[Tauri_J]

https://i.postimg.cc/K8CQBHSw/Screenshot-2022-07-16-15-48-18-312-com-android-chrome.png

[AnttiL]

https://i.postimg.cc/K8CQBHSw/Screenshot-2022-07-16-15-48-18-312-com-android-chrome.png

Noticed that as well. It looked like he was casually crossing the road

[Eli]

https://i.postimg.cc/K8CQBHSw/Screenshot-2022-07-16-15-48-18-312-com-android-chrome.png

Absolutely stupid, what excuses would they use if he’d got killed or injured. Complete stupidity, I’d ban him from spectating the rally from here on out tbh.

[eib1]

team principals contest:

https://fb.watch/eisvLyx0XK/

[EstWRC]

Latvala to Delfi

"I would like it more if the cars were equal and the drivers would determine the superiority based on their skills," said Latvala.

Unfortunately, this year Hyundai is not comparable to Toyota either in terms of speed or durability. "There was very little time left to design and build new hybrid cars, but Hyundai started work half a year later than others," explained Latvala. "We fit into the time window, Hyundai didn't."

At the same time, Latvala thinks he knows what Hyundai's main problem is. "Look at how the rear of the cars behaves, it throws here and there, which means that the machines are not balanced," said Latvala. "Watch Tänak's ride - he doesn't have his usual smoothness, he has to race uncharacteristically very aggressively."

Latvala also has a recipe for fixing the Hyundai bug. "It's hard to do anything with small settings, things can be made better, but also worse. If I were the boss of Hyundai, I would take a risk and make big, fundamental changes to the car."

[cali]

Whatever the result I'm very impressed by top3 and specially Tänak's driving. It's not the smooth Tänak but he's trying absolutely everything and what a joy to watch.
Rovanperä so clinical and smooth - a real masterpiece of driving.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really committed run by Tanak... but still cant beat Rovanpera.

[EstWRC]

Really committed run by Tanak... but still cant beat Rovanpera.

Not surprised. The performance difference by the two cars must be quite big if Ott can’t win a single stage by pace

[subarurally]

Whatever the result I'm very impressed by top3 and specially Tänak's driving. It's not the smooth Tänak but he's trying absolutely everything and what a joy to watch.
Rovanperä so clinical an smooth - a real masterpiece of driving.


Yeah, Rovanperä just makes it look too easy. Starting first on the road, last on the road, does not matter... just dominating.

It's hard to be a Thierry/Hyundai fan at the moment.....

[Eli]

Yeah, Rovanperä just makes it look too easy. Starting first on the road, last on the road, does not matter... just dominating.

It's hard to be a Thierry/Hyundai fan at the moment.....

Hard to be any fan that’s not a fan of Rovanperä atm tbf.

[focus206]

Latvala to Delfi

"I would like it more if the cars were equal and the drivers would determine the superiority based on their skills," said Latvala.

Unfortunately, this year Hyundai is not comparable to Toyota either in terms of speed or durability. "There was very little time left to design and build new hybrid cars, but Hyundai started work half a year later than others," explained Latvala. "We fit into the time window, Hyundai didn't."

At the same time, Latvala thinks he knows what Hyundai's main problem is. "Look at how the rear of the cars behaves, it throws here and there, which means that the machines are not balanced," said Latvala. "Watch Tänak's ride - he doesn't have his usual smoothness, he has to race uncharacteristically very aggressively."

Latvala also has a recipe for fixing the Hyundai bug. "It's hard to do anything with small settings, things can be made better, but also worse. If I were the boss of Hyundai, I would take a risk and make big, fundamental changes to the car."

How embarassing when your rival team's boss gives you advices because your car is so bad that it's not even fun beating it.

[TypeR]

Kalle seemed bored :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It wouldn't be so bad if Rovanpera looked like it was any effort or he was stressed doing what he's doing. There could then be some hope. But it's just effortless.

[Tauri_J]

Yeah, this is like Tänak 2018 and 2019 without reliability issues.

[AnttiL]

Kalle’s WRC stage win #69

[Eli]

Yeah, this is like Tänak 2018 and 2019 without reliability issues.

More like 2019 but instead of having Ogier in a troubled Citroën, all of his opponents seem sub par.

[JLunen]

Yeah, even as a Rovanperä & Toyota fan I wish the competition would get thicker. Evans has been quite the letdown and anyways it would be great to see Ford and Hyundai perform better. It's a shame Ford's driver line up is what it is since the car is relatively competitive atm.

[jonkka]

It's a shame Ford's driver line up is what it is since the car is relatively competitive atm.

Based on what evidence? Loeb's Monte win?

[AnttiL]

Based on what evidence? Loeb's Monte win?

And Loeb being competitive whenever he's been driving. And Breen setting some decent times here and there.

[1988senna]

Based on what evidence? Loeb's Monte win?

look the whole season till now. the Loeb Monte win is just a unique win . the puma still have gap from the Toyota.maybe puma is as fast as Hyundai but more reliable than Hyundai

[Fast Eddie WRC]

In a dream world the Hyundai drivers would be in the Puma driving a well-developed car and the M-Sport drivers in the dodgy i20 just just getting experience of the rallies.

[Hüttünen]

In a dream world the Hyundai drivers would be in the Puma driving a well-developed car and the M-Sport drivers in the dodgy i20 just just getting experience of the rallies.

It is hard to believe that Puma would be any faster than i20. Maybe more reliable.

[EstWRC]

It is hard to believe that Puma would be any faster than i20. Maybe more reliable.

Of course it’s hard to believe when they don’t have drivers to prove that.

Leg results not shown anymore on EWRC?

[JLunen]

Yeah, Neuville and Tänak on Pumas would be interesting. The pace is decent enough and the reliability is just better than with the i20.

Also as AnttiL said, Loeb's been quick every time so it's quite clear that the regular line up ain't performing that well since an old timer is that much faster right of the bat. No matter how many titles he won a decade ago before going to do other motorsports.

[Hüttünen]

Of course it’s hard to believe when they don’t have drivers to prove that.

Leg results not shown anymore on EWRC?

Breen is quite close to Tänak and Neuville pacewise. And I mean quite close. Not exactly the same but close anyway. Greensmith and Formaux are village drivers. No doubt about it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Of course it’s hard to believe when they don’t have drivers to prove that.

Leg results not shown anymore on EWRC?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/73363-wrc-rally-estonia-2022/?leg=2

[TypeR]

Breen is quite close to Tänak and Neuville pacewise. And I mean quite close. Not exactly the same but close anyway. Greensmith and Formaux are village drivers. No doubt about it.

Lol, no more beer for you.. All respect for Breen, but Tänak and Neuville are top3 drivers pacewise. Breen comes some seconds later..

[dimviii]

Amazing jump from Ott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zhxtJzEdg8

[AnttiL]

Amazing jump from Ott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zhxtJzEdg8

In Rally Poland 2015?

[Eli]

I have to say this rally is one of the most boring one we’ve had in a while, obviously Kalle dominating isn’t helping the situation what so ever but seeing the cars covered in mud really makes me miss Wales Rally GB. Shame that (almost) no one there seems to care to get the rally back, although Brexit & the economic situation there isn’t helping either.

[Tauri_J]

Lol

Talking about jumps, Linnamäe had a massive jump on Elva stage. They showed it on estonian rallystudio. Must have been like 40-50m in a narrow road between trees. Dont have a link yet, but I bet someone does.

E: https://www.facebook.com/groups/rallirahvas/permalink/2047292922119449/?sfnsn=mo&ref=share

[dimviii]

In Rally Poland 2015?

sorry mate,didnt check it,just found it on twitter among Estonian rally tweets

[TypeR]

sorry mate,didnt check it,just found it on twitter among Estonian rally tweets

a liiiitle bit different livery to Hyundai as well..

[EstWRC]

Breen is quite close to Tänak and Neuville pacewise. And I mean quite close. Not exactly the same but close anyway. Greensmith and Formaux are village drivers. No doubt about it.

No he isn’t close

At all

[pantealex]

I have to say this rally is one of the most boring one we’ve had in a while, obviously Kalle dominating isn’t helping the situation what so ever but seeing the cars covered in mud really makes me miss Wales Rally GB. Shame that (almost) no one there seems to care to get the rally back, although Brexit & the economic situation there isn’t helping either.

You have said last 5 WRC rallies boring ...

[pantealex]

Suninen 6,3s faster than Mikkelsen

Gap before Sunday 10,6s

[SubaruNorway]

Quite a big moment for Greensmith at 2:40 in SS10

[er88]

In a dream world the Hyundai drivers would be in the Puma driving a well-developed car and the M-Sport drivers in the dodgy i20 just just getting experience of the rallies.But your tight arse team don't want to pay drivers. So it's a mute point.

At this rate might as well put 40-oddyr old Meeke in the car in Finland because he'd at least challenge/bring excitement (then bin it), but Breen can't even stay on the road anyway so....

Fourmaux and Greensmith paying /bringing sponsorship has them locked in. The Goat unfortunately can't do more events.


If they were serious...,Malcolm/Msport/Ford +any sponsor as a combination, would go to one of Tanak/Neuville and say "we will buy you out your contract and pay you". We all know Tanak and Neuville are close to breaking point at Hyundai....

[Hüttünen]

No he isn’t close

At all

I would say that better in fast gravel rallies than Neuville. And better in asphalt rallies than Tänak. Or at least the same level. Based on last year performances in the same car.

[er88]

You have said last 5 WRC rallies boring ...Maybe because the season as a whole is a complete joke. I would never complain when a driver goes all loeb/ogier esque like Kalle has done, but the problem is we know Tanak and Neuville have their hands tied behind their back due to Hyundai acting like a "village team". It's not a fair fight. Evans is the disaster of the season as he's bottled it in the same car as Kalle.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fords win the SSS again. Pity that's all.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

But your tight arse team don't want to pay drivers. So it's a mute point.

At this rate might as well put 40-oddyr old Meeke in the car in Finland because he'd at least challenge/bring excitement (then bin it), but Breen can't even stay on the road anyway so....

Fourmaux and Greensmith paying /bringing sponsorship has them locked in. The Goat unfortunately can't do more events.


If they were serious...,Malcolm/Msport/Ford +any sponsor as a combination, would go to one of Tanak/Neuville and say "we will buy you out your contract and pay you". We all know Tanak and Neuville are close to breaking point at Hyundai....

Change the record... the very top drivers were/ are under contact and anyway without Ford backing M-Sport cant afford them.

[focus206]

Maybe because the season as a whole is a complete joke. I would never complain when a driver goes all loeb/ogier esque like Kalle has done, but the problem is we know Tanak and Neuville have their hands tied behind their back due to Hyundai acting like a "village team". It's not a fair fight. Evans is the disaster of the season as he's bottled it in the same car as Kalle.

Agreed. I was never really bored with Loeb's seasons of domination, as Citroen was never much faster than Ford. Ogier's VW days were a bit boring, not going to lie. But this season is a joke that's not even funny, such is the difference among the cars. And we can't even have a fight between the Toyotas because Evans hasn't got what it takes. I keep watching just because I love rallying.

[WRCStan]

Brexit & the economic situation there isn’t helping either.

Nothing to do with Rally GB/UK. And the former not having to do with much and much of the latter is universal.

[cali]

To those who say the season is boring I can recommend try to go to stages and watch the driving - it's amazing. The driving will always be amazing from the top dogs. This time around the top3 is visibly better than the rest and occasionally Breen and Lappi are very close to awesome as well.

Re about Kalle's domination - this guy is a robot. Amazing to see the driving and how effortlessly the car is being handled with such a pace. That's never boring!

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[Eli]

Agreed. I was never really bored with Loeb's seasons of domination, as Citroen was never much faster than Ford. Ogier's VW days were a bit boring, not going to lie. But this season is a joke that's not even funny, such is the difference among the cars. And we can't even have a fight between the Toyotas because Evans hasn't got what it takes. I keep watching just because I love rallying.

Same here mate, I feel exactly the same way and I keep referring to the 2019 season because that was the first time someone in 15 years challenged for Sebastien's dominance, and I think what Rovanperä has achieved and will achieve this season is extraordinary but I'm sorry it feels like his competing by himself. The fact that Hyundai haven't won a stage this rally tells you the story of the season.

[WRCStan]

How many bored people want longer rallies?

[EstWRC]

I would say that better in fast gravel rallies than Neuville. And better in asphalt rallies than Tänak. Or at least the same level. Based on last year performances in the same car.

On same level as Tänak on tarmac although he has got only one podium on tarmac event which he had done tons of times compared to others?

On Croatia last year he was miles off Ott so even that case the results is 1:1

[AndyRAC]

Nothing to do with Rally GB/UK. And the former not having to do with much and much of the latter is universal.

There's no money to fund what is a minority sport - with very little returns. It's not a surprise.

[pantealex]

So some you find rally boring if cap from 1st to 2nd is too big or top3 are from another planet compared to others.

It doesn't matter what other 40 drivers are doing ?

Rally is just boring if there isn't fight for win ?

I´m not saying it's wrong but for me rally is much more than just fight for win, never boring. Maybe it could be boring if all drivers would drive with same car, I don't like rallies with 40x Mitsu EVO in row.

[er88]

Change the record... the very top drivers were/ are under contact and anyway without Ford backing M-Sport cant afford them.You change the record. You're always jumping on other teams and can't find fault with Msport. There's middle ground.

Malcolm talks up Msport getting involved in F1 yet leeches off of payments from Gus Greensmith to fund the wrc team.

[Eli]

So some you find rally boring if cap from 1st to 2nd is too big or top3 are from another planet compared to others.

It doesn't matter what other 40 drivers are doing ?

Rally is just boring if there isn't fight for win ?

I´m not saying it's wrong but for me rally is much more than just fight for win, never boring. Maybe it could be boring if all drivers would drive with same car, I don't like rallies with 40x Mitsu EVO in row.

I get your point but it just seems that for the time being there’s one driver and the rest are just there to spectate, I know I’m taking it to the extreme but that’s the way it seems as a fan watching from home. I know spectating out there in the stages is amazing but unfortunately due to covid (amongst other issues) for the time being I’m not able to go out there and see these drivers in these amazing cars go flat out.

[WRCStan]

It doesn't matter what other 40 drivers are doing ?

Also if you're not there, you either follow the text based times on eWRC or you don't hear about them. That's just a function of being informed not entertained.

[Oliverk]

Is that Adamo on Otts instagram story. With mask and sunglasses. Can't post picture with phone at the moment.

[EstWRC]

Is that Adamo on Otts instagram story. With mask and sunglasses. Can't post picture with phone at the moment.

No. Seems Loriaux

Definitely not Adamo

[bwallace]

it can be him couse wrinkles looks like adamo but might and cristian couse only he wearing thoses blue sunglases

[1988senna]

Evens can't beat Ogier, also can't beat Rovanpera. A little disappointment for Evens for sure . I feel he his full time in Toyota will be over at the end of this season. It's better to give this chance to the more competitive guys

[satukata]

is there tire change today?

[Eli]

is there tire change today?

No tire fitting zone.

[pantealex]

Loubet is out, broken front suspension

[TypeR]

Loubet is out, broken rear suspension

Front left*

[Tauri_J]

Ugh sunday cruising

[TypeR]

Tänak: ,,We don't have the car to do that(be as fast as last year). The car has been born without any development..''

[jonkka]

Evens can't beat Ogier, also can't beat Rovanpera. A little disappointment for Evens for sure . I feel he his full time in Toyota will be over at the end of this season. It's better to give this chance to the more competitive guys

Like who for example?

[drive]

Sunday drive top3 ss20 https://youtu.be/yNZ9eSwlB3E

[meh]

Oliver already got at least 2 lucky escapes from mistakes. Quite some play with luck.

[Rallyper]

Oliver already got at least 2 lucky escapes from mistakes. Quite some play with luck.

All Huyndai drivers fighting with the rear of the car, it seems...

[Tauri_J]

Neuville now, mess of a car

[TypeR]

So, the Hyundai list goes on:
-Neuville's seat is loose

[meh]

From friday...


I expect to beat Kale here and at Finland.


Without taking away anything from Evans's performance, don't judge before tomorrow, when they have similar road position.

Should be quite clear now?

I call it "friday heros" - guys who shine from good road position and then reality hits from equal road position. Evans IS good, but to expect him to beat Rovanperä at Finland...

[1988senna]

Like who for example?

1.Tanak if he really has no contract with Hyundai in next year
2.Ogier if he come back to full time
3.Neuville if he can end the relationship with Hyundai

only these 3 drivers can replace Evens

[Hüttünen]

1.Tanak if he really has no contract with Hyundai in next year
2.Ogier if he come back to full time
3.Neuville if he can end the relationship with Hyundai

only these 3 drivers can replace Evens

This is true but the risk is huge for all of them to be in the same role where Evans is right now. These guys haven’t been used to play second fiddle. But maybe they can adapt.

[jonkka]

1.Tanak if he really has no contract with Hyundai in next year
2.Ogier if he come back to full time
3.Neuville if he can end the relationship with Hyundai

only these 3 drivers can replace Evens

There are not only those if's but there also is the question whether one team could and should hire all the best drivers and essentially buy the title. I seem to recall that both Mäkinen and Latvala both have said that ideally, top drivers should be spread evenly amongst teams.

[SubaruNorway]

It's getting a bit silly with all these rocks and anti cut blocks especially in Estonia and Finland, you're not going to cut through 50cm tall grass anyway, at least put them 20cm off the normal line.

[meh]

It's getting a bit silly with all these rocks and anti cut blocks especially in Estonia and Finland, you're not going to cut through 50cm tall grass anyway, at least put them 20cm off the normal line.

At least organizers made notes last year and this silly thing is not powerstage anymore.

Those silly ones are for lazy spectators who don't go into forest and fields but want to watch some stage in/near city.

This year the power-stage is proper one and presents the rally.

[cali]

The good rally feeling you get only in the forest. Unfortunately the organizer thinks that everybody should spectate in the wide field with no emotions at all. Luckily we had some good marshalls who let us in the woods. But some marshalls were very strict.

Overall we had good places and saw impressive driving.

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[Tauri_J]

Heavy rain on powerstage. (2nd major junction)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You change the record. You're always jumping on other teams and can't find fault with Msport. There's middle ground.

Malcolm talks up Msport getting involved in F1 yet leeches off of payments from Gus Greensmith to fund the wrc team.

The fault is not with M-Sport, it's with Ford for not making it a factory team with the investment required to fund top drivers.

M.Wilson has already proved what he wanted (winning the Titles) by paying Ogier £millions out of his own pocket. Since then there's been a pandemic losing them so much income they had to lay off 150 people.

[meh]

To the Hyundai list: in Solberg's car central console felt off.

[dimviii]

Ηuge moment of Oliver,and yes it is from this year this time.https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/lol.gif
https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1548545712467677186

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak talking in code about an issue or just the wet weather conditions?

[meh]

Ηuge moment of Oliver,and yes it is from this year this time.https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/lol.gif
https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1548545712467677186

few tens meters more away from the road and we could use some other emotions here...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC2 game on !

[Eli]

Tanak talking in code about an issue or just the wet weather conditions?

Seems as if something’s wrong with the car and he wasn’t sure they’ll make it to the end.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Nice attack by Suninen! Now only 3 secs behind Mikkelsen.

[meh]

Rally"fans": it's boring rally
Rally god x weather man: hold me beer... "turns on shower".
Enjoy.

WRC2 figth is on, WRC3 is not settled as well.

[1988senna]

This is true but the risk is huge for all of them to be in the same role where Evans is right now. These guys haven’t been used to play second fiddle. But maybe they can adapt.

Yes there will be the risks. Because we don't know if any or all of the above 3 can beat Rovanpera .But there should be have a try .If Kalle can defeat any above in the same car（especially ogier and tanak).He will be the true new king .So it will benefit both Kalle and all the global WRC fans

[Eli]

Rally"fans": it's boring rally
Rally god x weather man: hold me beer... "turns on shower".
Enjoy.

WRC2 fight is on, WRC3 is not settled as well.

I was gonna say, add diverse weather into the mix and immediately it gets better.

[Portimao]

What happened there?

2294

[COD]

To the Hyundai list: in Solberg's car central console felt off.

What is happening in Hyundai? Heating ducts coming loose, centre consoles falling, seat coming loose etc. Just like amateur team in a local rally. Is there lack of motivation in the workforce or what?

[Tauri_J]

Absolutely chucking down right now

[WRCStan]

1.Tanak if he really has no contract with Hyundai in next year
2.Ogier if he come back to full time
3.Neuville if he can end the relationship with Hyundai

only these 3 drivers can replace Evens

You'll need a fourth if Ogier comes back full time and takes Evans' seat. Lappi?

[Hüttünen]

What happened there?

2294

Rain came

[EstWRC]

The top3 won’t get any points on from PS with these conditions

Will be interesting

[Hüttünen]

The top3 won’t get any points on from PS with these conditions

Will be interesting

It is not sure. If the rain will stop, it changes everything again.

[focus206]

I'm not an engineer and I've never developed a rally car, but... are these silly things like air filter box coming loose, seat coming loose, central console falling off even things you need Kms and Kms of testing to have them set up properly? It just feels that car is held together with tape...

[surdna]

that broadcast control center looked like f.....g nasa :smokin:

[Sproaks]

I'm not an engineer and I've never developed a rally car, but... are these silly things like air filter box coming loose, seat coming loose, central console falling off even things you need Kms and Kms of testing to have them set up properly? It just feels that car is held together with tape...

Don't think so...Duct tape would hold everything together ;)

[Rally Hokkaido]

So who will attack for the PS points? Neuville, of course - he always does! Lappi - for sure. Ott - good chance. Elfyn - maybe? Too risky for Breen, IMHO. He can't have another off. Same for Fourmaux. Taka never seems to take a risk so close to the finish.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen lost some time so Mikkelsen takes the WRC2 win and he's back on track.

E. Suninen's i20 is on two cylinders ! Hope he can get back to service.

[meh]

To the Hyundai list: Sunninen got 2 cilinders and lost potential for fight for the lead.

... and need to leap to the service to serve the 2nd place,

[jonkka]

Suninen reported that he had only two firing cylinders and was asked where it happened, answered in the stage. Priceless... :)

[mknight]

Strange starting order. Normal is for category leader to start last. Now they had enough time for 4 cars, yet didn't reverse order.

Probably Bulacias off on stage before affected that.

[meh]

PowerStage (overall) win for Mikkelsen? :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No great improvement for the Fiesta Rally2 after some new updates judging by Huttunen on this rally.

[mknight]

PowerStage (overall) win for Mikkelsen? :)

And Suninen on 2 cylinders in Rally2 car second as best Hyundai?

[TypeR]

Fking awesome PS :D

[pantealex]

This is not boring ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pity the heli missed Solberg going way off.

[Eli]

This is not boring ;)

Definitely!

[mknight]

Lappi can take Fourmaux

[mknight]

Katsuta can take Neuville?

[meh]

To the Hyundai list: Neuville has misted up wind-screen.

... well, I can not see any surprised faces here

[surdna]

So anyone put some money on Mikkelsen?

[ToKu]

Hey guys, great rally, strict safety but we managed to outmanouver them. I want to add my three cents on the topic of spetacularity of new WRC cars. On big Kambja jump 2 minutes from start WRC cars were flying significantly shorter then in 2019. No such observation in lower classes. From what I heard on other jumps situation was similiar there.

[meh]

One positive thing from Hyundai: 3 WRC cars reached to the finish and without super-rally!

[Sproaks]

Kalle 11 sec faster than Evans at first spilt - WTF?
Hope he doesn't throw it away...

EDIT: No, 'just' 6 sec. Split from Evans was updated right away.

What a PS!

[meh]

This Rovanperä drive... how the fuck this is even possible?

[focus206]

One positive thing from Hyundai: 3 WRC cars reached to the finish and without super-rally!

I was about to write the same, great accomplishment by the village team!

[er88]

This is a different level of brilliance from Kalle

[Rallyper]

It´s drying up.

[TypeR]

Kalle after rally: ,, what the f.. guys, you can't even beat rally2 cars anymore..?''





yesyes, dryed up, but still..

He is fantastic!

[meh]

Now we can all understand those Kalle's stage end interviews: "I just came through, I don't know why I'm fastest."

This is his real pace. Insane

[doubled1978]

You can only sit and applaud that. Incredible talent.
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[Rallyper]

Yeah. What a man! What a team! What a car!
Kalle is the new master! GOAT!

[subarurally]

You can only sit and applaud that. Incredible talent.
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Yep, can't deny it. This kid can drive. Like they said on WRCLIVE, Toyota need to sign him to the longest contract he will accept

[satnav]

Kalle is simply on a different planet

[meh]

Kalle is simply on a different planet

Latvala agrees with you

[mknight]

Yeah. What a man! What a team! What a car!
Kalle is the new master! GOAT!

He is the clearly best driver at the moment. How he will be next year or in 5 years is not easy to predict.

Just look at Tanak or Petter Solberg before.

[meh]

and for all non-Estonians. If you need to have reason for feel sorry for us (additionaly for the fact that Tänak is driving Hyundai), then you see this year what kind of summer we have. It's never boring ;)

[satnav]

Latvala agrees with you

So i heard, great minds think alike, fools seldom differ

He just keeps going to a different level, a lot higher than everyone else

[WRCStan]

To the Hyundai list: Neuville has misted up wind-screen.

... well, I can not see any surprised faces here

HAHA! Neither can they.

[meh]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1548621451439312897

... "Can not trust this Hyundai anymore, let's take a bus"

[Lord_Shaitan]

What a legend.... Big congratulations Kalle!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Man what a time by Rovanpera on the PS when he didnt need to push and the conditions were so tricky. Amazing to beat the next best Evans by 22s. Epic.

[seb_sh]

Amazing Kalle! i hope someone can get their act together an put up some challenge.

[dupanton]

I honestly don't think Rovanpera feels he is pushing or taking risks. It's looks al so easy, I think it's just his natural speed.

[J4MIE]

He’s just perfectly suited to these cars and if you can drive with that much confidence, you can win without really trying.

[J4MIE]

Yep, can't deny it. This kid can drive. Like they said on WRCLIVE, Toyota need to sign him to the longest contract he will accept

Where do you think he would go instead of Toyota? :crazy:

[dimviii]

Βulacia

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX3a5oPWAAEoDNH?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX4svo3XkAAF_Ru?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX4wQ_gWYAAEyDI?format=jpg&name=large

[Berke]

Why is this a thing?

[TypeR]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX4svo3XkAAF_Ru?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX4wQ_gWYAAEyDI?format=jpg&name=large
Loooooool..
Fkin FIA :D piece of joke.. :D

[meh]

DirtFish article on the topic: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-fined-for-not-wearing-a-cap-on-estonia-podium/

If rally does not provide enough drama, you can always create something yourself.

[AndyRAC]

FiA Stewards - clueless idiots who need to get a proper job. Ott not wearing a hat will not have a negative impact on the commercial aspect of the sport....

[Eli]

FiA Stewards - clueless idiots who need to get a proper job. Ott not wearing a hat will not have a negative impact on the commercial aspect of the sport....

Yeah, that's the most burning issue didn't you know? There are no issues with the WRC what so ever or their brilliant WRC+ AllLive for that matter, all is well in the land of fairy-tails.

[mknight]

Not sure what's worse. Tanak getting the penalty or people writing long stories and posts about a 1000 EURO fine for a guy that earns a few mil euros a year.

EDIT: So he actually lied to stewards about things that happened in front of cameras...well then he totally deserves it.

[rallyfiend]

Lying to the stewards was a really stupid thing to do....

That will be remembered.

[KertR]

Dont understand why then he did not wear the gap, what was the reason and why he lied about that. Strange....

Would understand if it was uncomfortable with the cap, but then why to lie...

[J4MIE]

FiA Stewards - clueless idiots who need to get a proper job. Ott not wearing a hat will not have a negative impact on the commercial aspect of the sport....

The Stewards don’t make the rules.

[WRCStan]

Why is this a thing?

€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€

[WRCStan]

The Stewards don’t make the rules.

Rules must be followed and enforced.

Hats off to them.

[AnttiL]

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-k-rovanpera-i-havent-seen-rain-anywhere-else

Interestingly straight question

Q:
You feel confident that it is possible to turn this around. Some people are questioning whether you or Hyundai are continuing. Are you sure that Hyundai will continue in the WRC?
OT:
Hyundai is definitely going to continue, there is great support from Korea. For sure everybody wanted a lot, but let’s just say it needs some very straightforward changes in the general structure. We’re working on it, this year looks difficult but in long term it’s important for the sport as well we come back.

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/henrylaane/status/1548573635186917376

[AndyRAC]

The Stewards don’t make the rules.

Yes, I know but they can surely use a bit of common sense occasionally; a fine for not wearing a hat is ridiculous.

Please don't defend them....

[Sproaks]

I honestly don't think Rovanpera feels he is pushing or taking risks. It's looks al so easy, I think it's just his natural speed.

After watching the onboard i would disagree.
This was full send, including some little moments like getting slightly off the road and not just clipping but throwing some haybales around.
Once more an impressive run by him, especially in this situation. Balls of steel he has.

[mknight]

https://twitter.com/henrylaane/status/1548573635186917376

Wasn't as bad as it sounded. Note that it happened because first car on road (Greensmith I think), changed a wheel and Solberg drove right behind him. Anyway it was two guys making a mistake (maybe some marshall too?).

The Solberg big Sunday moment was much worse. 20+ people almost getting mowed down while standing in a "marked" safe area.

[J4MIE]

Wasn't as bad as it sounded. Note that it happened because first car on road (Greensmith I think), changed a wheel and Solberg drove right behind him. Anyway it was two guys making a mistake (maybe some marshall too?).

The Solberg big Sunday moment was much worse. 20+ people almost getting mowed down while standing in a "marked" safe area.

No - it happened because they were walking down the stage when nobody should be allowed to. Simple.

[cali]

Wasn't as bad as it sounded. Note that it happened because first car on road (Greensmith I think), changed a wheel and Solberg drove right behind him. Anyway it was two guys making a mistake (maybe some marshall too?).

The Solberg big Sunday moment was much worse. 20+ people almost getting mowed down while standing in a "marked" safe area.Every normal rally spectator is using stopwatch or clock to know when the next car is coming and knows that the cars have 3 min gaps so this is as inexcusable as it can be.

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[EstWRC]

Gerard comment…

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220718/f9c50863b607329e8a68f6fc85919595.jpg

[ToKu]

Every normal rally spectator is using stopwatch or clock to know when the next car is coming and knows that the cars have 3 min gaps so this is as inexcusable as it can be.

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Soldberg was driving not 3 min but 30 seconds behind previous car. Organizer send marshalls immedietly.

[AnttiL]

Gerard comment…

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220718/f9c50863b607329e8a68f6fc85919595.jpg

Gerard has made that same comment numerous times

[AnttiL]

No - it happened because they were walking down the stage when nobody should be allowed to. Simple.

This. I can somewhat understand walking away from the stage after the WRC2 cars have gone, but doing it while the top cars are still going is just weird.

[meh]

On "the hat topic", from Tänak in Facebook:
"In the meantime, we will try to keep our hats on and see you soon in Finland."

https://www.facebook.com/otttanakfanpage/posts/pfbid02dMie5NeZV113kQsKwJJjrXb3nzM4HFko7d52JYTbhXY xiKrvkqJT6Xs4SQr4UuWSl

[Rallyper]

Every normal rally spectator is using stopwatch or clock to know when the next car is coming and knows that the cars have 3 min gaps so this is as inexcusable as it can be.

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You don´t need stopwatch.

Maybe best is to pop out your earplugs and just listen to next car coming. Especially at the end of stages you never can rely on anythning but your ears and eyes.

[cali]

You don´t need stopwatch.

Maybe best is to pop out your earplugs and just listen to next car coming. Especially at the end of stages you never can rely on anythning but your ears and eyes.That as well yes Per

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[doubled1978]

Every normal rally spectator is using stopwatch or clock to know when the next car is coming and knows that the cars have 3 min gaps so this is as inexcusable as it can be.

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Yes that is what people who know rallying would do, but if the first car is late you don’t have a reference for the second one.
Years ago we used to walk down the stages a lot when exiting the stage, but it’s not really necessary these days. The top cars used to quite often run way out of order due to servicing etc and it was occasionally very dangerous as they would obviously be way quicker than the cars around them. I nearly came unstuck with Markku Alen in Pundershaw once.

[PGrally]

WRC Rally Estonia 2022 Jumps, Max Attack, Moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5kHiwEa4gQ

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4LEuho9USg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4J6WbG-aHQ

[mknight]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/colin-clarks-2022-rally-estonia-driver-ratings/

During the last few rallies their ratings were usually pretty good, but this one is imo quite a mess.


Solberg gets 5/10 cause he "didn't do anything silly" even though he had moments/crashes on every other stage and ended with zero points. This was supposed to be his best rally this season.
Fourmaux also gets 5/10 even though he did finish on a decent spot and has little experience and results on this type of rally.

For me 3-4/10 to Solberg and 6 to 7/10 to Fourmaux.

Other than that mostly small things:
3/10 instead of 2/10 to Breen
10/10 to Rovanpera instead of 9/10 (seen this before multiple times, Rovanpera gets 9/10 when winning both rally and PS)
8/10 to Evans instead of 7/10
5/10 instead of 6/10 to Lappi

[AnttiL]

Portugal was also 9/10 for Kalle, 30 points, first on the road on dry gravel…

[cali]

Kalle should be 10/10 absolutely, it's mindblowing how he has been "underrated" by Dirtfish and the kitchen table guy

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[mknight]

Looks like Solbergs 5 got changed to 4 in the article.

[meh]

I can see Dirtfish is doing well - they want people to talk about it and you all do :)

[EstWRC]

J-records video

https://youtu.be/ov1FLHBkRA8

[Lead]

J-records video

https://youtu.be/ov1FLHBkRA8

Awsome video. Met them at the stages, great guys.

[faateris]

Rally Estonia 2022 - photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[J4MIE]

Still struggle to see what the relevance of Estonia is when Finland is next. It’s fairly rough with soft roads and nowhere near as spectacular.

[bandit12]

It it moves further to autumn... It would be great mud rallye like Wales was...

[EstWRC]

Still struggle to see what the relevance of Estonia is when Finland is next. It’s fairly rough with soft roads and nowhere near as spectacular.

Hmmm, maybe it isn’t that spectacular from TV? I can say the stages look amazing if driving trough them myself.

And we need fast rallies in the calendar. Take Estonia away and we would only have Sweden and Finland. That’s not enough IMO. Just 2 rallies out of 13.

the teams and drivers seem to really like it. Have only heard good words about it

One example
Rovanperä’s team-mate Esapekka Lappi echoed those thoughts, adding: “It’s one of the coolest events, definitely. You see a lot of people on the stages as well, they are cheering for everyone and loud. And that’s cool. Also, this ceremonial start and finish is some sort of experience…”

[MentalParadox]

Still struggle to see what the relevance of Estonia is when Finland is next. It’s fairly rough with soft roads and nowhere near as spectacular.

It exists because of:

- Ott Tänak
- Money, courtesy of Ott Tänak

No way this event survives Ott's retirement from the sport.

[SubaruNorway]

Haven't been there but I actually regret not going to Estonia instead of Finland this year

[Lead]

Haven't been there but I actually regret not going to Estonia instead of Finland this year

Why is that?

[AnttiL]

Why is that?

I guess: lack of filming spots in Finland. Especially Friday is quite ”bushy” this year

[SubaruNorway]

Yeah not a fan of Friday and Sunday route, too much of the interesting bits removed, nearly no jumps. It's my 11th time though so maybe I'm just getting too picky

[Lead]

Yeah not a fan of Friday and Sunday route, too much of the interesting bits removed, nearly no jumps. It's my 11th time though so maybe I'm just getting too picky
Seems fair. Never though about it like that.
I have been to south Estonian rally (Rally Estonia, ERC, WRC events) (Otepaa roads) numerous times starting early Martin days and have been to Finland WRC event more than 10 times at least, and I still cant figure out why people compare these two events. In my eyes they have always had different characteristics.

[TypeR]

Järveoja's special drawing design helmet was sold for 8000 euros (on auction)
and
Tänak's helmet for 13000 euros today + Tänak added extra 13k.

All the money was donated for charity(children and cancer).

Awesome!