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macebig
26th June 2022, 11:39
Loeb about 1sec faster per km than them in nearly equal conditions doesn't reflect well on Fourmaux and Greensmith,tbf. Let's see what Breen does.

meh
26th June 2022, 11:40
Loeb about 1sec faster per km than them in nearly equal conditions doesn't reflect well on Fourmaux and Greensmith,tbf. Let's see what Breen does.

Will lose 4sec per km

Fast Eddie WRC
26th June 2022, 11:41
Good job by Sederidis - not fast but just getting to the finish is an achievement.

Eli
26th June 2022, 11:41
Will lose 4sec per km

He said something was strange in the car and didn’t elaborate.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th June 2022, 11:48
Neuville is on it.

Not a happy bunny at the end though.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th June 2022, 12:01
Taka saying the team built the car stronger after Portugal and Sardinia.

Rally Hokkaido
26th June 2022, 12:08
Taka saying the team built the car stronger after Portugal and Sardinia.

Even before I heard that, I had already decided that my 'man of the match' award at Kenya goes to the Toyota designers and engineers. The results speak for themselves.

Rallyper
26th June 2022, 12:11
Big congrat to Kalle. Wrote it last time also, we have our new well deserved WDC here!

Congrats to my finnish friends for your top notch driver!

jonkka
26th June 2022, 12:12
73rd win for Toyota, now equals Lancia with tied third in all time makes' wins stats.

dimviii
26th June 2022, 12:13
Congrats to Kalle,this year seems unstopable.

wwbroe
26th June 2022, 12:14
Another great performance by Kalle, Neuville limiting the points loss by winning the PS, but his car just isn't up for his task.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th June 2022, 12:16
What an outstanding result for Toyota. Their long-established reputation as the toughest car for Africa is cemented.

Eli
26th June 2022, 12:18
Another great performance by Kalle, Neuville limiting the points loss by winning the PS, but his car just isn't up for his task.

His and Tänak’s, just a question of when they (Toyota) take the title.

TypeR
26th June 2022, 12:19
Amazing guy, that Kalle boy!

denkimi
26th June 2022, 12:29
Another great performance by Kalle, Neuville limiting the points loss by winning the PS, but his car just isn't up for his task.
he's in hyundai for 9 years, how many times was his car up to the task? i would say in 2017 and perhaps 2018.
Although i think the toyota was already in 2017 the better car then, they just didn't have the drivers.

hyundai is a total failure.

Eli
26th June 2022, 12:32
he's in hyundai for 9 years, how many times was his car up to the task? i would say in 2017 and perhaps 2018.
Although i think the toyota was already in 2017 the better car then, they just didn't have the drivers.

hyundai is a total failure.
You could also argue that in 2019 the car was still up for it but by then Toyota has managed to build an absolute weapon, fact is, since 2019 they took the driver’s championship each year, doesn’t seem as if it’s gonna change any time soon.

denkimi
26th June 2022, 12:37
so thats:

rovanpera 145
neuville 80
tanak 62
katsuta 62
breen 60
evans 57
loeb 35
ogier 34
sordo 34
greensmith 28
lappi 17
solberg 9
serderidis 6
fourmaux 3

That's on average:

rovanpera 24,2
sordo 19
neuville: 13,3
loeb 11,6
ogier 11,3
tanak 10,3
katsuta 10,3
breen 10
evans 9,5
serderidis 6
greensmith 4,7

mknight
26th June 2022, 12:44
I was watching a few onboards yesterday and the general impression was that drivers like Ogier and Loeb pushed full speed in the not so rough sections but were as slow as anyone else in the rough parts.
It was the ability to immediatelly change pace that made the difference (didn't see much Rovanpera or Katsuta yet).

Breen, Solberg etc had similar speed as them on the rough parts but didn't push in the others.
Fourmaux tried pushing everywhere on Saturday morning and immediatelly broke the car.
Neuville seemed to bounce/smash notably more than Toyotas, not easy to always tell if IT was driver or car+settings bouncing much more

focus206
26th June 2022, 12:45
Rovanpera impressive again, but hardly surprising. And I'm impressed at his performance relative to his teammates - mostly Evans - since they're the only possible measurement.
As expected, Sunday cruising for Toyota 1-2-3-4 with no drama. Only drama being Hyundais falling apart, but when it's expected then it's not drama anymore.
Good job by Neuville for winning the Rally1,5 category and 5th overall. Do the people who were saying Neuville should have settled for 5th-6th in Sardegna for the championship still believe it would have mattered anything?
In my opinion, the most boring championship-wise season I can remember, maybe even more than Ogier's VW dominance. Maybe it's because I was expecting more of a fight after Ogier's retirement.

AndyRAC
26th June 2022, 12:50
he's in hyundai for 9 years, how many times was his car up to the task? i would say in 2017 and perhaps 2018.
Although i think the toyota was already in 2017 the better car then, they just didn't have the drivers.

hyundai is a total failure.

Keep doing the same thing, and expecting a different result. A few wins per season, too many low scores/ retirements don't win championships...... He really needs to go somewhere else. Where that is, I've no idea.

denkimi
26th June 2022, 12:52
Keep doing the same thing, and expecting a different result. A few wins per season, too many low scores/ retirements don't win championships...... He really needs to go somewhere else. Where that is, I've no idea.

the only thing i can see is as a replacement for evans, but that seems unlikely.

EstWRC
26th June 2022, 12:56
What an exciting rally with such a small gaps!

Irony aside, the only interesting thing to follow rest of the season is that how many Toyota 1-2-3 results can Hyundai and Ford drivers interrupt

Eli
26th June 2022, 13:12
What an exciting rally with such a small gaps!

Irony aside, the only interesting thing to follow rest of the season is that how many Toyota 1-2-3 results can Hyundai and Ford drivers interrupt

I know we talked a lot about a different script for Ott, but it would also be nice to see a different script for the rest of the Hyundai team and for M-Sport who for the first time didn’t build the strongest most reliable car.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th June 2022, 13:14
Katsuta
"I want to thank the team. Everybody did an incredible job after Portugal and Sardinia to develop the car so strong."

So what can be done to build a car stronger within the homologation ? Just more heavy-duty components?

AnttiL
26th June 2022, 13:28
What an exciting rally with such a small gaps!

Irony aside,

Sarcasm ;)

Fast Eddie WRC
26th June 2022, 13:41
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWLoY6aXEAAyTwr?format=jpg&name=large

focus206
26th June 2022, 13:46
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWLoY6aXEAAyTwr?format=jpg&name=large

In 1993 Safari, the only somewhat world stage "regulars" A8 other than Toyota were Shinozuka on Mitsubishi and Stohl sr. and jr. on 2 private Audis...
I'd say more or less the same level of serious competition Toyota had to face this year, so the image is quite fitting.

Eli
26th June 2022, 13:49
In 1993 Safari, the only somewhat world stage "regulars" A8 other than Toyota were Shinozuka on Mitsubishi and Stohl sr. and jr. on 2 private Audis...
I'd say more or less the same level of serious competition Toyota had to face this year, so the image is quite fitting.

It was like watching them win Le-Mans all over again.

TypeR
26th June 2022, 13:59
Interesting thing from the alllive rally sum up..
Julian Porter said, he heard that Tanak doesn't have a contract for next year.. (opposite to what we have known till now(multi year contract))

Portimao
26th June 2022, 14:02
Unbeliveable.. are they using street i20's parts on their rally1? Huge joke

Can you explain what they did? I wasn't able to watch today's fotage.

Sulland
26th June 2022, 14:11
Many lessons identified for the teams noted in Africa in 2022.
It is back to basics, and thinking filters and snorkels, ride heights. They all have a lot of data to enjoy!

EstWRC
26th June 2022, 14:15
Interesting thing from the alllive rally sum up..
Julian Porter said, he heard that Tanak doesn't have a contract for next year.. (opposite to what we have known till now(multi year contract))

I was surprised as hell last year when it was announced that it’s a multi year, given how hard time he has had in the team and the unknowns with the new generation

Eli
26th June 2022, 14:43
Interesting thing from the All live rally sum up..
Julian Porter said, he heard that Tänak doesn't have a contract for next year.. (opposite to what we have known till now(multi year contract))

So we might get to see him in a Puma after all.

1988senna
26th June 2022, 15:03
if that is so .Can tanak replace Evans next year???

Eli
26th June 2022, 15:05
if that is so .Can Tänak replace Evans next year???

Maybe they can swap, Evans goes to Hyundai & Tänak goes back to Toyota.

AndyRAC
26th June 2022, 15:19
Maybe they can swap, Evans goes to Hyundai & Tänak goes back to Toyota.

Poor Elfyn, what's he done to deserve going to Hyundai?? ;)

Eli
26th June 2022, 15:25
Poor Elfyn, what's he done to deserve going to Hyundai?? ;)

Nothing, just don’t want to see him without a seat next year, you think he should go back to M-Sport? ;)

doubled1978
26th June 2022, 15:44
I’d like to see someone of Tanak’s quality in the Puma full time next year. We have seen the speed when Loeb is in it, if a bit unreliable.
I don’t know if that is a possibility, but I’m sure Wilson is on it to see if it is…

mknight
26th June 2022, 15:47
I’d like to see someone of Tanak’s quality in the Puma full time next year. We have seen the speed when Loeb is in it, if a bit unreliable.
I don’t know if that is a possibility, but I’m sure Wilson is on it to see if it is…

People had all kinds of hopes and ideas before this year too.
And got Breen, Greensmith and Fourmaux.

Eli
26th June 2022, 15:50
I’d like to see someone of Tanak’s quality in the Puma full time next year. We have seen the speed when Loeb is in it, if a bit unreliable.
I don’t know if that is a possibility, but I’m sure Wilson is on it to see if it is…

First let them make that car more reliable before anything else, Safari has shown us that while Hyundai are as unreliable as ever, the fords also have their work cut out.

SubaruNorway
26th June 2022, 17:43
Hopefully they add snorkels for next year, got a bit silly with the Hyundai's in the end

J4MIE
26th June 2022, 19:02
Results are final and we have finished 20th overall.
If it wasn’t for yesterdays issues, we’d be around 14th ish.

Not sure whether to be pleased or not. Many issues were extremely frustrating.

However, a decent trophy for the collection…

2288

steve.mandzij
26th June 2022, 19:13
this rally should put DirtFish's belief that Kalle's weakness is rough rallies to rest, masterclass from the Finn this weekend. It's a shame there's no complete package capable of putting up a fight but at this point the eventual title is more than well deserved.

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dimviii
26th June 2022, 19:28
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1541114488577052672

Eli
26th June 2022, 19:31
this rally should put DirtFish's belief that Kalle's weakness is rough rallies to rest, masterclass from the Finn this weekend. It's a shame there's no complete package capable of putting up a fight but at this point the eventual title is more than well deserved.

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Maybe ford should bring the old focus as their Latest and greatest seem quite fragile.

Sergiow
26th June 2022, 20:16
Results are final and we have finished 20th overall.
If it wasn’t for yesterdays issues, we’d be around 14th ish.

Not sure whether to be pleased or not. Many issues were extremely frustrating. However, a decent trophy for the collection…

2288

Nicely done for demonstrating the true rally spirit! On this topic there was some (hysterical) debate going on about Pirelli tyres. Especially Ogier was very vocal about this although he probably did not know that Pirelli held a meeting with teams following the Portugal event to discuss the performance of its tyres. The Teams they told Pirelli not to touch the current tyres, because they have references with these and the situation only would be assessed after the Safari Rally

Although the Rally1 Pirellis tyres are different from other classes, what is your take on the current tyres situation, are you given a recommended tyre pressure to be used?

EstWRC
26th June 2022, 20:30
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1541114488577052672

Sums up their weekend

focus206
26th June 2022, 20:39
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1541114488577052672

lol, of course it's 2 Hyundais... Benny Hill show stuff.

WRCStan
26th June 2022, 21:30
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1541114488577052672

"I think there was a solution to continue. It was important for the manufacturers' points. I don't like seeing that we give up so quickly." lol (https://dirtfish.com/rally/neuville-frustrated-at-solbergs-withdrawal-from-monte/)

mknight
26th June 2022, 21:52
After that small hit from Solberg, Neuville managed to start the car, only to crash straight into a tree in the first difficult corner afterwards.

1988senna
27th June 2022, 08:12
I just wonder if ogier ( full time again)can defeat kalle in 2023 as kalle's current unbelievable performance

AnttiL
27th June 2022, 09:14
I just wonder if ogier ( full time again)can defeat kalle in 2023 as kalle's current unbelievable performance

That would be nice to see!

Fast Eddie WRC
27th June 2022, 10:37
Maybe ford should bring the old Focus as their latest and greatest seem quite fragile.

Ha ha... maybe so ! ;)

My Mk2 Focus ST is as tough as old boots. Its 14yo and NOTHING has ever broken, fallen off or stopped working. And it's been lowered, remapped and driven hard for the last 10 years !! :cool:

Eli
27th June 2022, 11:13
Ha ha... maybe so ! ;)

My Mk2 Focus ST is as tough as old boots. Its 14yo and NOTHING has ever broken, fallen off or stopped working. And it's been lowered, remapped and driven hard for the last 10 years !! :cool:

I think once they added the hybrid system in place, it made things much more complicated than they would otherwise be. Is that the 2.0 liter turbocharged engine you have?

J4MIE
27th June 2022, 12:01
Nicely done for demonstrating the true rally spirit!
Although the Rally1 Pirellis tyres are different from other classes, what is your take on the current tyres situation, are you given a recommended tyre pressure to be used?

Thanks. The big issue we had was that Minesh bought a load of tyres last year but missed most of the event, so he wanted to use the remaining ones this year. He had a call from the Clerk of the Course a week before the event who told him he didn’t have any eligible tyres so would have to be moved to the National event. But this was done over the phone and nothing on writing. It was only when I arrived in Kenya to find this situation that I told him the tyres WERE eligible as we we were non-priority. The CofC was having none of it and said he’d refer it to the stewards and see what they decide. At the end of recce we still hadn’t heard anything so I went directly to the stewards who hadn’t heard anything about it…. So I spoke to Timo and explained the situation and they had a stewards meeting and agreed to reinstate us.

Anyway, there’s no compound specified for non-priority, I think they were mostly K6A which is fairly soft and I would guess not really suited to warm Safaris…. We didn’t get any pressures but ran them at 31psi the whole time and they seemed to work ok. Only had one puncture on the event which was on the way into final parc ferme!!

ictus
27th June 2022, 15:17
For all of those who say this is not a real safari coz it has "short" stages, just have in mind how the itinerery looked like in the "long stage" days:
https://www.juwra.com/safari_2002_itinerary.html
having a service after every stage made a big difference

J4MIE
27th June 2022, 15:36
For all of those who say this is not a real safari coz it has "short" stages, just have in mind how the itinerery looked like in the "long stage" days:
https://www.juwra.com/safari_2002_itinerary.html
having a service after every stage made a big difference

Plus a helicopter on standby.

I remember Juha Kankkuben giving an interview in Sardinia I think, asking about how its like driving on the wrong tyres - he said basically they made the right choice for every stage as they had service between each of them so had a massive choice.

AnttiL
27th June 2022, 16:23
For all of those who say this is not a real safari coz it has "short" stages, just have in mind how the itinerery looked like in the "long stage" days:
https://www.juwra.com/safari_2002_itinerary.html
having a service after every stage made a big difference

And before 1996 they could even service in the stage from chase cars

Sergiow
27th June 2022, 17:04
Crashed WRC Crew Left to Save Themselves During Safari Rally
Stage marshals and local law enforcement prevented spectators from helping Gus Greensmith and his co-driver

https://jalopnik.com/crashed-wrc-crew-left-to-save-themselves-during-safari-1849111286

Comments: "maybe Rock Door isn’t the best sponsor" :crazy:

EstWRC
27th June 2022, 17:07
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/alasdair-lindsays-2022-safari-rally-kenya-driver-ratings/

Neuville 9 and Tänak 7 is a mystery to me, funny calculation from him to Ott while forgetting he lost bunch of time with the gearshift. I mean 7 is totally fair, but Neuville 9 surprises me

Ogier 9?

Sergiow
27th June 2022, 17:09
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/alasdair-lindsays-2022-safari-rally-kenya-driver-ratings/

Thierry Neuville 9/10
Safari Rally Kenya result: 5th
Here’s an incredible stat: Neuville scored only five points fewer than Rovanperä in Kenya. Their rallies couldn’t have been more different – one running smoothly, quickly and with consistency; the other wrestling a car that refused to work properly and eventually ended up getting planted into a tree.

Neuville keeps having rallies this year that, on paper, look like absolute train wrecks – and yet he somehow salvages something out of it and maintains his second place in the championship.

It was a familiar script for the five-time championship runner-up on Friday. An air filter problem left him down on both power and patience – not that he had much coming into the Safari Rally, given Hyundai’s reliability record.

Then came a sequence of mad events late on Saturday. His alternator failed; he repaired it. His car stalled twice on Sleeping Warrior; he got it going again. But he didn’t get very far, smacking the i20 N Rally1 nose-first into a tree.

It didn’t even matter in the grand scheme of things. He’d lost so much time with the stalling issue that the podium was already long gone before that tree came into view. At that exact moment, there was no point being careful – getting a 10-minute super rally penalty was hardly going to be worse than the stoppages he’d already faced.

It’s clear that Neuville is pretty much in the form of his life right now – but yet again his own car was the biggest obstacle to success.

WRCStan
27th June 2022, 17:40
Thierry Neuville 9/10
Safari Rally Kenya result: 5th
Here’s an incredible stat: Neuville scored only 10 points fewer than Rovanperä in Kenya.

Not that incredible on revision, it's how the points work. Give Thierry one stage he will deliver, but give him a rally...

Eli
27th June 2022, 18:10
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/alasdair-lindsays-2022-safari-rally-kenya-driver-ratings/

Neuville 9 and Tänak 7 is a mystery to me, funny calculation from him to Ott while forgetting he lost bunch of time with the gearshift. I mean 7 is totally fair, but Neuville 9 surprises me

Ogier 9?

Ogier 9 with Formaux & Greensmith 4 & 1? How exactly did Formaux get a better score? Baffles me each time.

Eli
27th June 2022, 18:10
Thierry Neuville 9/10
Safari Rally Kenya result: 5th
Here’s an incredible stat: Neuville scored only five points fewer than Rovanperä in Kenya. Their rallies couldn’t have been more different – one running smoothly, quickly and with consistency; the other wrestling a car that refused to work properly and eventually ended up getting planted into a tree.

Neuville keeps having rallies this year that, on paper, look like absolute train wrecks – and yet he somehow salvages something out of it and maintains his second place in the championship.

It was a familiar script for the five-time championship runner-up on Friday. An air filter problem left him down on both power and patience – not that he had much coming into the Safari Rally, given Hyundai’s reliability record.

Then came a sequence of mad events late on Saturday. His alternator failed; he repaired it. His car stalled twice on Sleeping Warrior; he got it going again. But he didn’t get very far, smacking the i20 N Rally1 nose-first into a tree.

It didn’t even matter in the grand scheme of things. He’d lost so much time with the stalling issue that the podium was already long gone before that tree came into view. At that exact moment, there was no point being careful – getting a 10-minute super rally penalty was hardly going to be worse than the stoppages he’d already faced.

It’s clear that Neuville is pretty much in the form of his life right now – but yet again his own car was the biggest obstacle to success.

Actually he scored 10 points less than Rovanperä with the Finn taking 25 points to his 15.

focus206
27th June 2022, 18:32
Give Thierry one stage he will deliver, but give him a rally...

If you give him a rally with a car that doesn't fall apart because of a breeze, he can deliver. His 2nd place in the championship is a big overachievement, considering he had problems on his car independent from the driver on 5 rallies out of 6, so far.

WRCStan
27th June 2022, 18:35
How exactly did Formaux get a better score? Baffles me each time.

Because Fx actually finished a rally and increased his championship points haul by 50%, to within one point of one-shot Veiby. Performance/Expectation ratio is different for each driver and here, the higher score is not kinder.

WRC1
27th June 2022, 18:49
Thierry Neuville 9/10
Safari Rally Kenya result: 5th
Here’s an incredible stat: Neuville scored only five points fewer than Rovanperä in Kenya. Their rallies couldn’t have been more different – one running smoothly, quickly and with consistency; the other wrestling a car that refused to work properly and eventually ended up getting planted into a tree.

Neuville keeps having rallies this year that, on paper, look like absolute train wrecks – and yet he somehow salvages something out of it and maintains his second place in the championship.

It was a familiar script for the five-time championship runner-up on Friday. An air filter problem left him down on both power and patience – not that he had much coming into the Safari Rally, given Hyundai’s reliability record.

Then came a sequence of mad events late on Saturday. His alternator failed; he repaired it. His car stalled twice on Sleeping Warrior; he got it going again. But he didn’t get very far, smacking the i20 N Rally1 nose-first into a tree.

It didn’t even matter in the grand scheme of things. He’d lost so much time with the stalling issue that the podium was already long gone before that tree came into view. At that exact moment, there was no point being careful – getting a 10-minute super rally penalty was hardly going to be worse than the stoppages he’d already faced.

It’s clear that Neuville is pretty much in the form of his life right now – but yet again his own car was the biggest obstacle to success.

the Joke of the Rallye.....Neuville 9 Points out of 10 despite crashing into a tree.......Formaux then should get 11 points for Monte...

J4MIE
27th June 2022, 19:36
I’ve seen the video of Neuville getting stuck. It’s pretty much the best example I’ve seen of exactly how to get stuck. Completely useless.

Eli
27th June 2022, 19:54
Because Fx actually finished a rally and increased his championship points haul by 50%, to within one point of one-shot Veiby. Performance/Expectation ratio is different for each driver and here, the higher score is not kinder.

Imho, I don't think any of them have done particularly well, and the only reason Fx increased his championship haul by 50% was because it was only his second time getting points this season, not that I'm implying Greensmith was any better, I just would've given them the same (low) score, that's all.

Morte66
27th June 2022, 22:21
Serderidis can get a T-Shirt saying "I entered the Safari rally and beat Seb Loeb".

Breen can get a T-Shirt saying "I beat Serderidis".

Strange world.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th June 2022, 10:50
Is that the 2.0 liter turbocharged engine you have?

No, the fabulous 5-cylinder 2.5 Turbo which is is the prime reason for having the MK2 ST.

Eli
28th June 2022, 10:56
No, the fabulous 5-cylinder 2.5 Turbo which is is the prime reason for having the MK2 ST.

That's the Volvo engine isn't it? I wasn't sure if it was on the ST as well as the RS, now I recall they had the RS output 300Bhp as oppose to 250? Something like that?

It is a fabulous one, they used it later for the C30 Polestar (PCP) which unfortunately never made it into production, shame, it sounded magnificent over there with 400 horsepower and 500~ Nm of torque.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th June 2022, 19:51
That's the Volvo engine isn't it? I wasn't sure if it was on the ST as well as the RS, now I recall they had the RS output 300Bhp as oppose to 250? Something like that?

It is a fabulous one, they used it later for the C30 Polestar (PCP) which unfortunately never made it into production, shame, it sounded magnificent over there with 400 horsepower and 500~ Nm of torque.

Correct, from Volvo. But it was called the ST225 as the standard ST had 225PS. But a simple remap brought the power to 270PS and 450Nm. This gives it pretty close to RS performance for (nowadays) less than half the price.

Eli
28th June 2022, 20:03
Correct, from Volvo. But it was called the ST225 as the standard ST had 225PS. But a simple remap brought the power to 270PS and 450Nm. This gives it pretty close to RS performance for (nowadays) less than half the price.

Absolutely amazing, shame they're gonna kill the Focus by 2025, with all due respect to the Puma, I think it still would've made a great Rally1 car, or a last gen WRC car for that matter, again with all due respect to the Fiesta WRC.

Fast Eddie WRC
29th June 2022, 10:53
A Hyundai entertaining on a road section could lead to trouble ?

https://twitter.com/AutoCanario/status/1541010047878270976?s=20&t=ITQDEMt2APtD8osUijqu_A

MartijnS
29th June 2022, 11:00
Someone did the same at the same spot there last year.

Edit: was also Neuville haha...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Xt8QepoOA

AnttiL
29th June 2022, 11:18
I believe they closed the road from traffic and there’s marshalls controlling spectators

J4MIE
29th June 2022, 12:01
The road wasn’t closed, but lots of police around trying to prevent gridlock. This was close to Kasarani.

https://goo.gl/maps/ufRtfa4B8DSZxQcy7

Unlike last year when the full road section afterwards was closed, we had a police convoy for every 6 cars or so.
I think it worked pretty well, I have some videos I took with my phone but must admit I fell asleep for large parts! :rolleyes:

J4MIE
29th June 2022, 12:01
2289

Sergiow
29th June 2022, 13:12
I’ve seen the video of Neuville getting stuck. It’s pretty much the best example I’ve seen of exactly how to get stuck. Completely useless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NCUziUK5Wo When watching the video of Neuville getting stuck in the mud it seems that the main cause was that he was taking too much speed in the corner, got off camber and eventually got stuck. Whatever, I admire his all or nothing approach here since he had nothing to lose

But I think Rovanperä getting stuck in sand and blocking the road last year was a lot more silly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOI4AOG7aaA

And there is also this: KALLE ROVANPERÄ'S DRIFTING SKILLS CAME IN HANDY ON THE FINAL PAIR OF SATURDAY SAFARI STAGES ACCORDING TO HIS TEAM BOSS
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-latvala-thinks-rovanpera-excelled-in-the-mud/

Sergiow
29th June 2022, 13:26
And talking about Latvala again, “At the end of last year we focused on the development, just to make a really strong car and not optimising the performance,” he told WRC.com. “We decided we wanted to make a car which is just reliable and then when we have more time, we try to optimise the performance. “We could see that [the previous round in] Sardinia was an example where our performance was not the best but then here we see the reliability side, which was really important and needed. The engineers have done a really good work.”

:look: I do not think that Toyota was lacking performance in Sardinia. If I remember correctly their main problem on the Italian rocky dustroads was mainly cooling related.

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc/latvala--safari-success-justified-yaris-strategy/ (note: in the big team winners photo you can spot center stage Toyota Gazoo Racing technical director Tom Fowler. That man is really deserving all the praise with their current Rally1 car)
https://www.wrc.com/images/redaktion/Season-2022-News/WRC/June/280622-World-Podium-Kenya-2022_001_0f119_f_1400x788.jpg

SubaruNorway
29th June 2022, 15:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NCUziUK5Wo When watching the video of Neuville getting stuck in the mud it seems that the main cause was that he was taking too much speed in the corner, got off camber and eventually got stuck. Whatever, I admire his all or nothing approach here since he had nothing to lose
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He wasn't stuck but flooded the engine with water, the air intake on the Hyundai worked like a vacuum cleaner

MentalParadox
29th June 2022, 16:10
He wasn't stuck but flooded the engine with water, the air intake on the Hyundai worked like a vacuum cleaner
If only there was some kind of ingenious way of managing air intake that would prevent the engine from drowning in water or feshfesh

Fast Eddie WRC
30th June 2022, 09:57
If only there was some kind of ingenious way of managing air intake that would prevent the engine from drowning in water or feshfesh

The circular vent on the front of the i20 bonnet was an unfortunate design for this rally, but they clearly didnt feel it was worth changing it if it made the performance worse on all the other rallies.

AnttiL
30th June 2022, 10:23
The circular vent on the front of the i20 bonnet was an unfortunate design for this rally, but they clearly didnt feel it was worth changing it if it made the performance worse on all the other rallies.

This being a quote from George Donaldson in Dirtfish podcast

Fast Eddie WRC
30th June 2022, 11:07
This being a quote from George Donaldson in Dirtfish podcast

I read and listen to so much that I dont keep a record of the source of every bit of info I remember.

J4MIE
1st July 2022, 02:55
When watching the video of Neuville getting stuck in the mud it seems that the main cause was that he was taking too much speed in the corner, got off camber and eventually got stuck. Whatever, I admire his all or nothing approach here since he had nothing to lose

But that isn’t the way to drive on black cotton and is asking for getting stuck. Higher gears and lower revs is what you need to keep the momentum up. And momentum is everything.

Sergiow
2nd July 2022, 10:24
But that isn’t the way to drive on black cotton and is asking for getting stuck. Higher gears and lower revs is what you need to keep the momentum up. And momentum is everything.

Thanks for your valuable feedback as a driver, me just a simple armchair onlooker. But I try to understand more about what you see and what is really going on. Probably the WRC drivers have some ability which makes them outstanding in some cases but are still prone to making errors

WRCStan
2nd July 2022, 14:37
M-SPORT CALLS FOR SAFARI ROUTE RETHINK
RICHARD MILLENER SAYS THE LEVELS OF FESH-FESH IN 2022 WILL PUT OFF COMPETITORS FROM RETURNING NEXT YEAR
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sport-calls-for-safari-route-rethink/

dimviii
4th July 2022, 15:53
“Séb Ogier and all the other drivers were pulling all the air intake system off and going round various cooling systems on the car with a little homemade vacuum cleaner with a flexible hose on either end, vacuuming out all the dust – and it was significant quantities of dust coming out so they were doing a huge amount of work in between the stages,” he explained.

“I think that’s probably where Toyota got a bit of a bite at it, I think they were on the front-foot on all those kinds of things – led I have to say categorically by Séb Ogier. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/examining-the-problem-hyundai-neednt-worry-about/

dimviii
4th July 2022, 18:15
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1544018204221210625