Rally Portugal 2022

[wwbroe]

All live not working anymore over here

[jonkka]

This would be awful for the championship

Two days to go - same can happen to rest of the field too (like it already has).

[wwbroe]

1,5 mins lost for Thierry

[wwbroe]

Lost a wheel on the road section

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville damaged the wheel on the road section.

[Tauri_J]

What in the hell lol

[er88]

Lost the wheel on road section ffs

[meh]

Huyndai has made level up - now those are falling apart on road section.

[the sniper]

For anyone not watching, Thierry got his phone out in the stage end interview to show a picture of the damage from the road section.

[EstWRC]

i guess he just didnt close the bolts enough when changing the tires?

i really doubt it it just came off randomly

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTNhWvGWAAAR-6M?format=jpg&name=medium

[wwbroe]

Breen off

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FFS Breen lost in the dust now too.

[wwbroe]

Went up a bank

[haris274]

For those they don't working WRC all Live! Refresh the page!

[EstWRC]

Kalle is just amazing

[wyler]

i guess he just didnt close the bolts enough when changing the tires?

i really doubt it it just came off randomly

it's not the wheel. it's a the whole drivershaft with issue.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen mentioned a puncture just before he went off.

[EstWRC]

it's not the wheel. it's a the whole drivershaft with issue.

he said the wheel came off?

[bisak]

By the looks of it it came off hub + suspension arms included

[wwbroe]

Taka with second best time

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTNcIn-WQAIsvar?format=jpg&name=medium

[meh]

Predictions for tomorrow... will we have Ogier and Loeb... the masters as cleaning-workers... opening the road? What is their motivation? They only take part for competing for the win. Only manufacturer points I guess.

[EstWRC]

Predictions for tomorrow... will we have Ogier and Loeb... the masters as cleaning-workers... opening the road? What is their motivation? They only take part for competing for the win. Only manufacturer points I guess.

to test and get more experience with the car?

[wyler]

he said the wheel came off?

yes, but not meaning literally out of the bolts. much more like the whole complex collapsed

[JRodrigues]

At lunch and after a pretty exciting morning, who would've thought that this was what we would have by the end of the day??

[wwbroe]

Elfyn second fastest trough, one-two for Toyota on this stage and also overall

[Danny0405]

Some time lost by Loubet in split 1 (as Greensmith).
Probably Sordo in 3rd tonight.
Interesting to see what will happen in Toyota tonight.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's like Rovanpera & Evans are on another rally - almost serene progress with no real issues or punctures.

[EstWRC]

On Estonian TV the commentator said that only on SS7 he counted 13 punctures and all the cars had not passed yet. Ok, not all are Pirellis but it is a problem.

this is just massive

[wwbroe]

Loubet's car full of dust

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loubet off and now full of dust.

[wwbroe]

He went off, so third will be for Sordo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Greensmith now the leading M-Sport... but he's not a points scorer. :rolleyes:

[Danny0405]

No split for Armstrong in J-WRC in SS7?
Again a U-turn in this category?

[RS]

Why are the roads in such bad condition? Are the new hybrid cars tearing up the roads more?

And given that Pirelli have no competition, can they not just build a tyre strong enough for the conditions with no concerns over weight? Or can no conventional tyre withstand this (ie without mousse)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo saving the day for Hyundai with a solid drive, otherwise it'd be a Toyota 1-2-3.

[wwbroe]

Sordo into third position overall

[wyler]

cheers to antii:D

[jonkka]

can they not just build a tyre strong enough for the conditions with no concerns over weight?

They probably could but teams are concerned about the weight. If tyre weight goes up, they have to strengthen whole suspension assembly proportionally (engineer-guys in this forum can give you specifics).

[Winner]

Greensmith now the leading M-Sport... but he's not a points scorer. :rolleyes:

No points given out for leading with one stage to go on the Friday last time I checked the regs!

[AnttiL]

cheers to antii:D

:)

I've been busy today, I've managed to watch/listen every stage but not write anything on forums or twitter. Once I did, it went straight into All Live :D

If someone missed it, I tweeted that last year Ogier won this stage first on the road and now Kalle did the same (wasn't run before that in a long time).

Anyway, Portugal serves once again plenty of drama!

[meh]

Early days, but if you watched entry-list and made predictions.. do you have Katsuta, Greensmith and Loubet in Top 6? Especially instead of Loeb, Ogier, Tänak, Neuville.

[seb_sh]

Well this is getting ridiculous with all the punctures.

[dimviii]

They probably could but teams are concerned about the weight. If tyre weight goes up, they have to strengthen whole suspension assembly proportionally (engineer-guys in this forum can give you specifics).

very right.Same problem with mousse.Extra weight requires extra strength at suspension arms etc=redesign=extra money.

[dimviii]

dust problem into the car problem,imho has to do that they havent chassis but spaceframe.

[AnttiL]

Early days, but if you watched entry-list and made predictions.. do you have Katsuta, Greensmith and Loubet in Top 6? Especially instead of Loeb, Ogier, Tänak, Neuville.

the rally is not over yet.

[denkimi]

After almost every rally i can't help but wonder how much rally's and titles neuville could have won, had he not stayed at hyundai. Ogier was smart enough to walk away from citroen after 1 year, neuville just keeps sticking with the amateurs year after year.

[Eli]

After almost every rally i can't help but wonder how much rally's and titles Neuville could have won, had he not stayed at Hyundai. Ogier was smart enough to walk away from Citroën after 1 year, Neuville just keeps sticking with the amateurs year after year.

Could say the same about Tänak staying there after a torrid run for(much) less time, yet still he is signed until the end of next year. Of course Neuville is there for much longer but don't forget only since 2016/17 has he actually started challenging for wins and titles.

[RS]

very right.Same problem with mousse.Extra weight requires extra strength at suspension arms etc=redesign=extra money.

Would it be such bad value when they spend hundreds of thousands of euros entering an event only to have it ruined by punctures?

Will be interesting to see how the other rough gravel events go this year.

[RS]

dust problem into the car problem,imho has to do that they havent chassis but spaceframe.

I had wondered this too, but still surprised it wasn't discovered in testing.

[er88]

After almost every rally i can't help but wonder how much rally's and titles neuville could have won, had he not stayed at hyundai. Ogier was smart enough to walk away from citroen after 1 year, neuville just keeps sticking with the amateurs year after year.I'm sure he could be/ could have been a multiple champion. However he seems wedded to Hyundai so I doubt that changes + Kalle is now ready to take over from Ogier it seems....

Have to say though, that 2017 was his fault. God awful mistakes on the first 2 events while leading comfortably

[dimviii]

Would it be such bad value when they spend hundreds of thousands of euros entering an event only to have it ruined by punctures?
.

tyre is a compromise, depents where you want to give advantage performance/reliability.
Also dont forget that pirelli had for years the most robust gravel tyre. So they have some knowledge about it.
Also dont forget about corona virus when tyre was developed and in such short time,and that these generation wrc are the fastest and much more powerfull from previous generations.
And yes mistakes can happen,even to spaceships,not just a black round rubber.

[dimviii]

Would it be such bad value when they spend hundreds of thousands of euros entering an event only to have it ruined by punctures?
.

car designers dont know when they design the car how strength will have a tyre will be produced much later.

[EstWRC]

So Tänak like always didn’t tell us everything during the day

Had transmission problems

[EstWRC]

Puncture for Gus on super special

[er88]

If Pirelli can't handle having the monopoly in F1 and WRC they should decide which one to focus on and bin the other motorsport off.

They are an absolute disgrace here in wrc atm. Greensmith summed it up there..., how the f*ck can you get a puncture in a super special when you do nothing wrong.

[bandit12]

Seems that Hyundai is like some kind of secret military factory. None of drivers does not explain their technical troubles

[RS]

tyre is a compromise, depents where you want to give advantage performance/reliability.
Also dont forget that pirelli had for years the most robust gravel tyre. So they have some knowledge about it.
Also dont forget about corona virus when tyre was developed and in such short time,and that these generation wrc are the fastest and much more powerfull from previous generations.
And yes mistakes can happen,even to spaceships,not just a black round rubber.

But when there is no competition they should focus on reliability surely?

I'm not blaming Pirelli particularly, maybe it wouldn't be much different with Michelin but the current situation isn't good for drivers, fans or Pirelli themselves who don't get any publicity from beating the competition but get lots from multiple punctures.

[focus206]

In this year's 4 events, Neuville has repaired his car more than his mechanics did...

[EstWRC]

Great day from Suninen, shows that Hyundai rally2 has speed

Shame about the puncture

[wwbroe]

Oliver putting up the show

[wwbroe]

Good run by Kajto

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220520/0b043de67ae47c0859992eaa6e4db4d9.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great action from Chris Ingram. :)

[focus206]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220520/0b043de67ae47c0859992eaa6e4db4d9.jpg


In this year's 4 events, Neuville has repaired his car more than his mechanics did...

As I just said...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

dust problem into the car problem,imho has to do that they havent chassis but spaceframe.

Just what Julian Porter said on comms this morning - Rally1 cars not made with a factory bodyshell anymore.

[bandit12]

Great day from Suninen, shows that Hyundai rally2 has speed


Shame about the puncture

Teemu will take those 37 seconds back

[Eli]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220520/0b043de67ae47c0859992eaa6e4db4d9.jpg

And that's for the person laying second in the championship, seems all Kalle needs to do now is to not make any mistakes and just take it to the end, of course it's still early days but I think having Ogier as your team mate for the last 2020/1 seasons has helped him (more than most) understand what he must do to achieve the title.

[Tom K]

Mikkelsen did not enter service on time. The car is left alone before regroup.

[focus206]

I think having Ogier as your team mate for the last 2020/1 seasons has helped him (more than most) understand what he must do to achieve the title.

Kalle has matured a lot and he's doing great, but it doesn't take a genius to know you need to be consistent to win a championship. The fact that Toyota is many times more reliable than Hyundai (and Evans being disappointing so far) is why Kalle will be unchallenged for the title.

[Lead]

Teemu will take those 37 seconds back

He may not need to take anything back. Mikkelsen's Skoda last two stages had an engine issue.

EDIT: Ok, it seems he didnt even make it to service. All clear.

[AnttiL]

So tomorrow's starting order is championship title order, first Loeb, then Ogier, then Tänak, then the rest...

[Eli]

Kalle has matured a lot and he's doing great, but it doesn't take a genius to know you need to be consistent to win a championship. The fact that Toyota is many times more reliable than Hyundai (and Evans being disappointing so far) is why Kalle will be unchallenged for the title.

True, I'm not denying the car isn't helping him achieve it, but he isn't making the same silly mistakes as his teammate Evans, and I'm sure if Hyundai would get their car right from the off, both Tänak & Neuviile would be up there at the sharp end making it much more difficult for him. As for the manufacturer title, it seems that it's once again, Toyota's to lose.

[AnttiL]

About the punctures: I think the roads were in bad condition. Finnish TV said there was no road repairs since last year's rally, just some new gravel on top. And remember how almost everyone had a puncture on the long stage in Turkey 2020, on Michelins?

[EstWRC]

Tänak changing the tire https://youtu.be/Lr92xiZW720

[Humber]

The Hyundai Veloster used beadlock wheel rims in the old American Global rallycross series. (likely 17 inch diameter)

It is possible to make 15 inch bead lock rims. The extra weight is in the rim rather than in the tyre side wall or carcass etc.
Puts the money into a semi-asset form in a reuseable rim, that can be on-sold to lower levels of motorsport when lifed out of the top level.

It is not like the old days turning up to events with 300 plus tyres & 100 rims per car etc.

[becher]

About the punctures: I think the roads were in bad condition. Finnish TV said there was no road repairs since last year's rally, just some new gravel on top. And remember how almost everyone had a puncture on the long stage in Turkey 2020, on Michelins?

This!

[Myrvold]

For once it's been a good day as a Loubet-fan.

And now I've probably jinxed it.

[KiwiWRCfan]

start times for SS10 to SS15 have been moved forward by 8 minutes
e.g. SS10 was 07:38 now 07:30 etc
reference Bulletin number 4 issued at 23:40 Portugese time.

No explanation of reason for change has been given

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220521/0160a98cafec33c85f958827e796d0a8.jpg

[bandit12]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220521/0160a98cafec33c85f958827e796d0a8.jpg
This year i totally understand his frustration...

[EstWRC]

I think we all understand

Ford guys more afraid of puncture?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220521/82e466b760ca2d64a380e8f02895e1ed.jpg

[wwbroe]

No images on wrc-live for the moment, or showing useless info from yesterday whilst the stage is allready live

[wwbroe]

Finally showing some live stage images

[meh]

No images on wrc-live for the moment, or showing useless info from yesterday whilst the stage is allready live

Usual recap-warmup "what have happened before", everything worked like expected I think

[wwbroe]

Tanak and Ogier on equal speed on splits

[wwbroe]

Ott wins this battle against Ogier

[wwbroe]

Fourmeax saying that there is 18 world titles sweeping the road, so he has to use these lines:D

[EstWRC]

Lol at Fourmaux

“Can’t get better lines than that”. Hinting that he has 3 world champions driving in front of him

[wwbroe]

Best split for Thierry sofar

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Thierry, but only just

[EstWRC]

Not a bad stage from Ott considering his starting position

[wwbroe]

Loubet loosing a lot on splits compared to Neuville, even slower than Loeb

[wwbroe]

Great opening split for Taka

[EstWRC]

Neuville get podium by the end of the day if he continues like this

[wwbroe]

Puncture for Gus

[Sulland]

MSport went too hard for tyres for the opening stage. Lets see if it later will be better.

[wwbroe]

Kalle flying, allready 4.5 up on Thierry on first split

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Taka

[meh]

Rovanperä is going to make statement now :)

[Rallyper]

start times for SS10 to SS15 have been moved forward by 8 minutes
e.g. SS10 was 07:38 now 07:30 etc
reference Bulletin number 4 issued at 23:40 Portugese time.

No explanation of reason for change has been given

Making everything harder for broadcasters, viewers ... One can wonder what was wise with such decision...?

[wwbroe]

Kalle 6.2 faster as Thierry on split 3

[Rallyper]

Kalle flying. So beautiful lines. He don´t need to follow anyone else!

[wwbroe]

But Elfyn even a fraction faster on split 2 compared to Kalle

[meh]

Stage 10 results:
* 1-2-3 Toyota
* 4-5-6 Hyundai
* 7 Toyota
* 8-9-10-11-12 Ford

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Elfyn

[EstWRC]

weird this season in the sense that one rally one driver is so lost and next one is fastest

[jonkka]

Toyota just 4,1secs away from 1-2-3 in overall standings.

[COD]

Breen the disapointment of the season so far

[wwbroe]

Suninen keeps on posting besttimes in WRC2, in a league of his own. At least some positive news for Hyundai

[EstWRC]

Breen the disapointment of the season so far

not for me, expected something like this

didnt get the pres-season hype about him at all and it shows

[wwbroe]

Ogier din't start the stage

[EstWRC]

Good old Ogier again. Wanting better starting position

[meh]

Breen the disapointment of the season so far

Even weird to say, but he is maybe this rare case who matched with Hyundai better. He delivered really well with Hyundai.

[wwbroe]

Loeb stopped

[Eli]

not for me, expected something like this

didnt get the pres-season hype about him at all and it shows

Same here, he’s only done 9 events on the course of the 2019-2021 seasons and hasn’t done these events for 4 years, in Kenya & Greece he’ll be in even more of a deficit as everyone besides Lappi did them last year.

[meh]

... and Tänak is going to opening the road.

[wwbroe]

Loeb restarted in road mode, driving slowly trough the stage

[EstWRC]

Even weird to say, but he is maybe this rare case who matched with Hyundai better. He delivered really well with Hyundai.

He also has more pressure now as the leading driver while he didn’t have that in Hyundai.

Also he did the same events all the time where the car was good

[wwbroe]

Ogier still didn't start the stage, 12 mins late allready

[wwbroe]

No power for Loeb, not even after he stopped for reset

[Rallyper]

Loeb lost power suddenly. Reset didn´t help.

[wwbroe]

Neuville started the stage, let's see when Ogier will pop up

[wwbroe]

Rain in the stage now, Fourmeauw went off, but continuing

[Eli]

Neuville started the stage, let's see when Ogier will pop up

I think she said something about Ogier starting when they were interviewing Loeb.

[wwbroe]

I think she said something about Ogier starting when they were interviewing Loeb.
Still didn't start the stage, now he just started at 8h54, so twenty minutes late

[Sulland]

Breen the disapointment of the season so far

Who could come in and help them?
Car has potential on both surfaces, so they need new blood!

Moves this one over to the M-Sport thread.

[wwbroe]

But Ogier was "only" 17 mins late on time control, so 2min50 time penalty

[wwbroe]

Ogier spun

[meh]

So Ogier was waiting better starting position to drive off?

[Rallyper]

Ogier off!!!

[wwbroe]

Stopped

[Eli]

That’s karma “for us”.

[EstWRC]

Great job Ogier

Ref flag?

[Eli]

I just hope we see Lappi for the remainder of the season.

[Rallyper]

and stuck!!

[wwbroe]

I suppose they will stop the stage, as the car is driving line

[wwbroe]

Loubet off also, but going again

[meh]

and stuck!!

blanking :)

[wwbroe]

Stage is still going, so i suppose no red flag?

[meh]

Stage is still going, so i suppose no red flag?

I can not see the reason for red flag here - no one is in danger. Those, who are not started yet, probably know exactly where this car is.

[Essaj]

Stage is still going, so i suppose no red flag?

There is 0 reason for red flag

[EstWRC]

and Loeb retired, technical

both greatest of all times out again today

[wwbroe]

Playing tactics didn't help Ogier this time

[Rallyper]

Loubet off also, but going again

Loubet only had a spin more or less on the road. ;)

[wwbroe]

Loubet only had a spin more or less on the road. ;)
That is true, only halfspin, but enough to loose his position to Thierry

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Taka, good driving

[wwbroe]

Kalle flying again, let's see if Elfyn can keep up

[EstWRC]

Ott homing in massively for Fourmaux and Greensmith, could get them by the end of the day, not sure about Gus but Fourmaux is doable

[wwbroe]

Sordo loosing 2.4 to Taka, so really close for podium place now

[EstWRC]

Evans 2.9 slower than Kalle in spl2

[wwbroe]

Kalle trough 10.1 faster as Taka

[wwbroe]

Evans loosing 4.7

[EstWRC]

kalle is just playin with him

[wwbroe]

Ogier now driving again, they stopped the stage after Suninen, allowing Ogier to drive out

[wwbroe]

Strange decision, so Rossel had to wait 11 mins to start.

[meh]

Stage 10 results:
* 1-2-3 Toyota
* 4-5-6 Hyundai
* 7 Toyota
* 8-9-10-11-12 Ford

SS11
* 1-2-3 Toyota
* 4-5-6 Hyundai
* 7-8-9-10-11 Ford

Find the pattern here...

[EstWRC]

SS11
* 1-2-3 Toyota
* 4-5-6 Hyundai
* 7-8-9-10-11-11 Ford

Find the pattern here...

different starting positions also and Msport has totally wrong tyre decision, its not that black and white

[wwbroe]

SS11
* 1-2-3 Toyota
* 4-5-6 Hyundai
* 7-8-9-10-11 Ford

Find the pattern here...
Actually 11th was Suninen, so Hyundai:)

[Sulland]

Ogier now driving again, they stopped the stage after Suninen, allowing Ogier to drive
out


How did he get back on the road, did he get some help?

[wwbroe]

How did he get back on the road, did he get some help?
I don't know, but i saw on all-live that he was driving again

[Rallyper]

Will Ogier continue today? Should be his option if he is allowed...

[wwbroe]

Oliver is doing better today, on his way to first besttime in WRC2 Portugal?

[Rallyper]

Oliver is doing better today, on his way to first besttime in WRC2 Portugal?

Looks he did go fastest.

[wwbroe]

Looks he did go fastest.
Yes, very good time, pitty he was 2 minutes late this morning

[Rallyper]

So now maybe the stage the whole rally will be decided on?

Even more this afternoon...

[wwbroe]

Longest stage of the rally now live, 37 Km long

[Eli]

Longest stage of the rally now live, 37 Km long

Probably will be the longest of the season, unless they manage to topple that in Kenya.

[wwbroe]

Probably will be the longest of the season, unless they manage to topple that in Kenya.
Could be well possible

[wwbroe]

Hanging dust from Tanak for Fourmeaux

[meh]

Tänak may gain some time here because others will have dust problems

[COD]

35-45km stages used to be normal still in the beginning of 2000’s. Now one long stage is a miracle

[Eli]

35-45km stages used to be normal still in the beginning of 2000’s. Now one long stage is a miracle

Unfortunately it’s been the case since 2010(ish).

[wwbroe]

Ogier didn't start the stage, 4 minutes later then Neuville, so no more running?

[wwbroe]

Fourmeaux puncture

[meh]

35-45km stages used to be normal still in the beginning of 2000’s. Now one long stage is a miracle

I think those long ones are nice - you take your time and follow it, all the developments and so on. With shorties it's interesting in another way, but it's too sliced to follow.

[Rallyper]

Fourmeaux puncture

No offense broe. But I´m laughing every time you´re spelling Fourmaux. It also took me long time to learn how his name spells. ;) :)

[meh]

Fourmaux changing the puncture means more dust for Breen, 2min instead of 4min

[wwbroe]

No offense broe. But I´m laughing every time you´re spelling Fourmaux. It also took me long time to learn how his name spells. ;) :)
:D

[jonkka]

Unfortunately it’s been the case since 2010(ish).

2008 and 2009 longest stage of the season was 41,5 and 40,5 km respectively, but other than those it's been clearly longer. In 2018 longest stage of the season was still 55,2 km, 2019 it dropped to 47,2km. From 2020 this has taken a plunge down to 37-38 kilometers.

[wwbroe]

It took Fourmaux about 2,5 min to change the tyre

[wwbroe]

Thierry now loosing time compared to Ott

[Eli]

2008 and 2009 longest stage of the season was 41,5 and 40,5 km respectively, but other than those it's been clearly longer. In 2018 longest stage of the season was still 55,2 km, 2019 it dropped to 47,2km. From 2020 this has taken a plunge down to 37-38 kilometers.

In 2019 they decided to limit the total competitive action to 350kms so that probably didn’t help, likewise covid.

[meh]

It took Fourmaux about 2,5 min to change the tyre

It's not clear how much he lost time before he changed. But seems, that there were a bit lost on notes when they started after changing.

[Eli]

Breen will lose a massive amount because of Fourmaux’s dust.

[wwbroe]

Thierry loosing allready 6 sec to Ott on split 4

[jonkka]

In 2019 they decided to limit the total competitive action to 350kms so that probably didn’t help, likewise covid.

That is true but in 2018, only three rallies had itinerary in excess of 350 kilometers and only one by any significant amount (Monte 388 km) - so this limitation was mainly theoretical.

[wwbroe]

Fourmaux +3.07.2

[wwbroe]

Ogier did start the stage now, so running after all

[wwbroe]

But he stopped just after the startline?

[meh]

Ogier started the stage and then stopped... well, if he is waiting there now and start after Evans and Rovanperä, then he gives advandance for Evans to have 8min time cap for getting rid of dust.

[Rallyper]

What´s going on with Ogier? Dusting up for someone?

[EstWRC]

Amazing stage from Ott with first on the road

[wwbroe]

Amazing stage from Ott with first on the road
Like Kalle yesterday, also no dust problems and four soft tires

[wwbroe]

Ogier started the stage and then stopped... well, if he is waiting there now and start after Evans and Rovanperä, then he gives advandance for Evans to have 8min time cap for getting rid of dust.
How do you see that? If he starts after Kalle and Elfyn, what advantage does he give to Elfyn?

[wwbroe]

Taka also starting to loose some time now

[meh]

How do you see that? If he starts after Kalle and Elfyn, what advantage does he give to Elfyn?

I think I misunderstood his starting position or I'm not sure about that at the moment - my theory, if Ogier starts BEFORE Evans and then just don't drive the stage, Evans will have 8min cap and less dust.

Edit: but seems he started before Sordo, so now Sordo gets clear-view benefit. From team-tactic point of view it's worst position - instead of benefiting Taka, Evans or Rovanperä he benefits Sordo.

[wwbroe]

I think I misunderstood his starting position or I'm not sure about that at the moment - my theory, if Ogier starts BEFORE Evans and then just don't drive the stage, Evans will have 8min cap and less dust.
Ok, i understand now:)

[EstWRC]

Ott could get even Breen and Loubet today but it will be difficult with him cleaning the line on second runs

[wwbroe]

Ogier now moving, what is all this?

[EstWRC]

i dont get what Ogier wants to do with this

[wwbroe]

Very good opening split for Evans

[meh]

Ott could get even Breen and Loubet today but it will be difficult with him cleaning the line on second runs

There can be some rain and then there a new opportunities.

[EstWRC]

There can be some rain and then there a new opportunities.

and ill add Gus to that group

he was trailing Gus by 2.30 in the morning, now just under minute left

[wwbroe]

Kalle starting to loose time also compared to Ott

[wwbroe]

Ogier couldn't wait before the start because he was at time limit, 29 minutes late in total, so he had to go into the startline

[EstWRC]

Evans only one to make gap bigger with Ott in second split but all the guys start to loose to Ott from third split on

[wwbroe]

Kalle starting to loose time also compared to Ott
But now only 0.1 behind on 4th split

[wwbroe]

Looks like Taka will pass in front of Sordo

[wwbroe]

Evans on a charge, 5 sec faster on splits

[wwbroe]

Kalle slower than Ott, +3.6

[EstWRC]

man im praying for Tänaks stage win but seems it wont happe

amazing stage anyway

[meh]

man im praying for Tänaks stage win but seems it wont happe

amazing stage anyway

and basically Tänak lost all in 1st split

[wwbroe]

Evans 8.2 faster as Kalle

[wwbroe]

Rossel 11 sec faster as Suninen halfway

[M3 Jambo]

Rovanpera used two used tyres from yesterday so if Evans used new ones, the advantage may swing back in Kalle's favour.

[Sulland]

Rossel 11 sec faster as Suninen halfway

Where do you get the splits from? Does not work on wrc.com for me on this stage.

[EstWRC]

Rossel 11 sec faster as Suninen halfway

Ogier is dusting for Suninen

[wwbroe]

Where do you get the splits from? Does not work on wrc.com for me on this stage.
Works fine over here

[M3 Jambo]

No splits on WRC in Portugal for Amarante, there was for earlier stages today.

[Sulland]

If I chose wrc2, it loaded the page, but not with all classes.

[wwbroe]

Good stage time for Rossel, taking his first besttime in WRC2

[Lead]

Whats wrong with Breen today? Some technical issues? Tyres?

[Lead]

Good stage time for Rossel, taking his first besttime in WRC2

Who was the one already crowning Suninen in the league of his own?

[AnttiL]

Probably will be the longest of the season, unless they manage to topple that in Kenya.

Not in Kenya, only 31 km

[AnttiL]

Unfortunately it’s been the case since 2010(ish).

Since 2018 and All Live, I’d say

[Eli]

Not in Kenya, only 31 km

So yeah, probably the longest stage of the season here.

[Eli]

Whats wrong with Breen today? Some technical issues? Tyres?

Wrong tyre choice from M-Sport & he suffered Fourmaux's dust on the last stage of the loop.

[wwbroe]

Who was the one already crowning Suninen in the league of his own?
I was saying that he was ahead of the rest, and he still is. Probably running in Ogier's dust as well on this last stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram took the lead of WRC2 Junior on SS11 and extended his lead over Marczyk on SS12 to 29.6s.

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220521/93d529c1cc3b717a5e68be24adb36874.jpg

[TypeR]

Afternoon loop and still wrc+ can't start on time..

[COD]

Has the importance of starting first been exaggerated because of Ogiers whining about it for so many years? Was it just his way of making him look even better than he was?

[Eli]

Afternoon loop and still wrc+ can't start on time..

What’s new…

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle taking the most hard tyres... performance choice or safer from punctures ?

[jonkka]

Has the importance of starting first been exaggerated because of Ogiers whining about it for so many years? Was it just his way of making him look even better than he was?

It always has had an impact but of varying importance. It counts most in events where road surface is loose and gets swept to a hard base, in events like Australia, Portugal, Argentina, Sardinia and Acropolis, and only when it's dry.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Has the importance of starting first been exaggerated because of Ogiers whining about it for so many years? Was it just his way of making him look even better than he was?

Remember he had to open the road for the first TWO days for many years...

[polomayu]

Some rain in cabeceiras stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

5 drivers covered by 0.7s.. amazing !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Then Kalle 7s faster... a country mile !

[Sulland]

Solberg off? Not getting any new splits.

[Essaj]

Solberg off? Not getting any new splits.

Stopped on the first half of the stage. Becs said that they were working on something with the front of the car.

[meh]

Positive part of Tänak's not-that-good road position - can follow him on live-tv more than usual :)

[meh]

Greensmith didn't start?

edit: seems off the road or in weird place on liaison section

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen showing some better pace this afternoon.

[Eli]

I don’t get it, they have a stage end reporter at the end of this stage yet we’re not seeing any interviews.

[EstWRC]

This day should have been yesterday and yesterday today

[meh]

Got really big eyes for this Rovanperä 1st split, 5sec faster.. but let's wait Evans as well

[meh]

Anyway, seems that Toyota is big step ahead from others on gravel. Hyundai guys can just compete with Taka (without taking anything away from Taka, he is doing awesome job). M-Sport is a bit unknown, there is no one at the moment who can show the real potential of car, but we can assume, that car is quite good (compared to previous one at least) - guys are relatevily competitive.