WRC Rally Monza 2021

[SubaruNorway]

Any news on when the itinerary is out?
From what i heard shakedown will be on Friday?

https://www.acirallymonza.com/?lang=en

[wwbroe]

Any news on when the itinerary is out?
From what i heard shakedown will be on Friday?

https://www.acirallymonza.com/?lang=en

If you have a look at supplementary regulations you can see that shakedown is on thursday and also first stage (SSS) on thursday. Rest of the itinerary is also there.;)

[wwbroe]

If you have a look at supplementary regulations you can see that shakedown is on thursday and also first stage (SSS) on thursday. Rest of the itinerary is also there.;)

My bad: seems to be the itinerary of last year, sorry for that.

[EstWRC]

Revealed now https://www.acirallymonza.com/entries-registration-for-forum8-aci-rally-monza-starts-today/?lang=en

Mornings on real stages and afternoon on circuit on Friday and Saturday

Sunday on circuit

[SubaruNorway]

That's disappointing, you only get to see 4 proper stages and only one new stage. Not sure how easy it is to get any good footage inside the track?

[Mirek]

Monza was unworthy of WRC already last year but as an ad hoc solution to an imminent crisis it was acceptable. However a year has passed and we have it here again in a format which is far bellow WRC level. Ending the season again with such a bad joke is doing more damage than good for the sport. By doing this the WRC refutes its own fundaments.

[mknight]

Basically just one more extra normal stage. That is indeed disappointing.

In worst case it might get really boring if it's full dry with all titles decided.

I liked Ypres Sunday with parts of the circuit. But what made it work was that there were also nice roads as parts of these stages. Monza all 3 days 2-3 stages fully on circuit and gravel paths are too much when not necessary.

[TypeR]

Probably one of the greatest eras the WRC has ever seen has the potential to go out with a whimper and the FIA and the promoter have only themselves to blame. Guess they are banking on "surprise" announcements that Valentino Rossi will be competing etc to keep the interest up especially if Ogier ties things up this weekend however thats no excuse for allowing the event to run in this format. Other countries have proven you dont need to hide the rally away. Dissapointing is an understatement.

Wait for Matton saying that it will be one of the greatest events and ways to send away these amazing cars..

[Sulland]

Monza was unworthy of WRC already last year but as an ad hoc solution to an imminent crisis it was acceptable. However a year has passed and we have it here again in a format which is far bellow WRC level. Ending the season again with such a bad joke is doing more damage than good for the sport. By doing this the WRC refutes its own fundaments.

Even in Italy they must be able to find better stages than on Monza. Last year FIA was happy, due to Covid, and had interessting weather at Monza. We all said it was fun, but if another one, it HAD to be more stages, and fewer SSS inside the fence.
Why do we end up with a repeat from last year, and why did FIA accept?

[Eli]

Good thing we have Catalunya this weekend, but honestly, 250(ish) kms of competitive action?? 100 kilometers of that on the track?? Seriously? They had so much more time to prepare (unlike last year) and this is the best you come up with? The same ACI that gives us each year a different route around the Island of Sardegna? If they (FIA & Promoter which loves to pat their own backs) continue like this, there won't be a championship by the end of this decade, imho.

[SubaruNorway]

Even doing two stages repeated 3 times would be better if they have to go with an easy option

[AndyRAC]

Oh dear, what a massive let down. Agree with others, last year could be forgiven as it was short notice. This year they've been 1st reserve, and could/should have drawn up a better route. That the WRC Promoter are quite happy with the route, tells you all you need to know about how they see the sport.

What a way for the WRCar era to bow out.

[AnttiL]

Very disappointing indeed...I was expecting all Friday and Saturday to be in the mountains.

[er88]

Disgusting route - made even worse because there are beautiful roads in the mountains. Hopefully this is the last we see of this event

[EstWRC]

Reactions in the service park have been mixed. There is plenty of sympathy on offer for the organizer, whose rally has been drafted into the calendar as a stop-gap measure for the second year in a row.

But that sympathy is tinged with disappointment.

“The track is a unique thing for us to do but in my opinion it’s not what rallying is, and not what rallying should be either,” said M-Sport’s Gus Greensmith.

“We’ve had 11 good rounds. I don’t know why we had to go to Monza, to the circuit. For me it doesn’t particularly make much sense.

“As much as it is a nice challenge, it’s not what rallying should be.


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-the-wrc-has-reacted-to-the-2021-monza-rally-route/

[Danny0405]

I just see registration is until 6th of November which is quite late (but logical as it was announced late).
Maybe some surprises to come with such a late date, all the more as it is the last outing of this car generation but on the other hand, manufacturers may not want to invest time there so late in the season with so low «*real*» rally kilometers.

How many Hyundai drivers? 3, 4, 5? Loubet will not be there but they may rent a car to a client (Suninen?) and Solberg could appear in Rally1 also (the manufacturer entries probably being Neuville-Tanak-Sordo).

How many Toyota drivers? 3, 4, 5? A car for Lappi to give him some rythm but is it enough in such an event? Does it worth to send a car for Katsuta in a rally where it will be hard for him to do any result (even if not bad on circuit) and with so special stages?

A third M-Sport car as the car seems to be able to be a little more competitive on tarmac? Why not for Mikkelsen which does not need to make WRC-2 or ERC? Toyota renting a M-Sport car for Lappi (cheaper and less time consuming than sending a car by themself)? Gryazin? Don’t see Rossi as he was not there last year.

For the championship, except mechanical failure, I don’t see Evans in position to win with Ogier needing 3th overall or 4th overall+5th in PS and Monza looks like a best comfort-zone for Ogier; I think we will see a steady Ogier with no big risk even if he may clinch the title in the power stage only. Would be a real surprise if Evans succeeded in changing the situation.
For the manufacturer championship, Toyota just needs one driver to finish (even behind M-Sport and two 2C Hyundai) so even less interest.

The main battle should be WRC-3 between Kajto and Rossel (hoping he can have the finance for it) with maybe Lindholm disturbing the game.

[tpt010]

I have a problem... well not a real problem, but maybe someone is able to help. I may have a possibility to visit Rally Monza, but only SS 10 (San Fermo 2) and even that would require some changes in my existing plans. I am happy to adjust as needed to be able to see this generation WRC cars for the last time, but looking at route map it seems that it may be very difficult to get into SS 10. I don't actually mind if it is start, finish or in the middle of the stage, but would anyone have any idea if this is possible? I think part of the stage was driven in Rally Prealpi Orobiche this year, but don't know if this helps anyhow. So far I haven't seen any public areas on Rally Monza website and the problem is that I really need to have my plans ready quite soon. Any ideas are welcome. Thank you.

[AnttiL]

Oliver Solberg with WRC Hyundai again

[mknight]

Well one simple look on that is that spareparts and rebuilds for current i20 WRC are "sunk costs" already, with likely little use afterwards, so might as well use them up. In the end it could be cheaper than running the Rally2.

The negative is certainly getting involved in all the different setup variations even more (in Monza it will matter more than in Spain, specially if there's some weather).

Wonder who (if anyone) will run the second Rally2 besides Suninen, Solans maybe?

[rp]

Wonder who (if anyone) will run the second Rally2 besides Suninen, Solans maybe?

Probably Andrea Crugnola

[mknight]

I thought he has his "own" I20 now? So that would mean one less car.

[abcrally]

Oliver Solberg with WRC Hyundai again

There was agreed 4 WRC events with i20 WRC on Solberg's 2021 contract. That's why I knew a few weeks ago he would do both Catalunya and Monza.

[mknight]

After Safari Adamo was officially quoted as saying that Solberg will drive Rally2 rest of the year.

Adamo does seem to have rather loose relationship with contracts though.

[abcrally]

After Safari Adamo was officially quoted as saying that Solberg will drive Rally2 rest of the year.

Adamo does seem to have rather loose relationship with contracts though.

Adamo first promised more events to Huttunen too but didn't happen. You never know what he talks now and six months later.

[mknight]

My impression is that the decisions change on much shorter timescale than six months. More like days or hours.

[mknight]

What's the deadline for publishing entries?

[Hartusvuori]

What's the deadline for publishing entries?

Wednesday November 10th. Entries closes on Saturday 6th.

[becher]

My impression is that the decisions change on much shorter timescale than six months. More like days or hours.

Did it ever cross your mind that Adamo might not allways be genuine with his statements and tells the media something even though something else was decided?

[mknight]

Did it ever cross your mind that Adamo might not allways be genuine with his statements and tells the media something even though something else was decided?

Sure sometimes it might be the case and very often there is no open info on what the original plan was.

But there were quite many cases when there was official open info (like drivers on entry list and announced on official account, drivers doing a test rally for something, etc...) and Adamo suddenly decided the opposite.
There were also cases where the snap decisions went directly against long term planning ( switch a driver that then due to event pairing has to use difs of a different driver that he hasn't tested and can't test before rally).

So that makes one wonder how many of the other changes were based on long term planning.

[Eli]

https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1455557848809844740?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

No Tanak in Monza, Suninen drafted instead.

[mknight]

Interesting that instead of nominating Solberg who will be scoring teampoints very soon anyway they go with Suninen.

Good news for spectators though.

[rp]

Interesting that instead of nominating Solberg who will be scoring teampoints very soon anyway they go with Suninen.

Sometimes Adamo can be also clever! Maybe he will understand his next year mistake after Monza...

[becher]

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Suninen ends up in a fourth Rally1 nominated for points instead of Solberg on a few events next year.

[mknight]

Sometimes Adamo can be also clever! Maybe he will understand his next year mistake after Monza...

Yes, for once (lately) this is a good idea.

There is potential for embarrasment in multiple ways:
Suninen vs Solberg
Suninen vs Greensmith and Fourmaux

or it might confirm Adamos and MSport choices.

This Hyundai is still problematic to drive on tarmac for most drivers, so hope he gets enough testing.

[AnttiL]

This Hyundai is still problematic to drive on tarmac for most drivers, so hope he gets enough testing.

But the circuit stages are not normal tarmac driving, and if the mountains have a "Monte" weather, it shouldn't be an issue.

Quite surprising news.

I've heard someone speculate earlier this year that Tänak is quitting his career, despite being already signed for next year...

[cali]

But the circuit stages are not normal tarmac driving, and if the mountains have a "Monte" weather, it shouldn't be an issue.

Quite surprising news.

I've heard someone speculate earlier this year that Tänak is quitting his career, despite being already signed for next year...Miika Wuorela if i'm not mistaken

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[EstWRC]

why is he testing the new car and made that early contract renewal in the beginning of the year if wants to quit? Wuorela is pretty high lately on twitter talking a lot of BS.

horrible year for Ott, i hope there isnt nothing too serious with his family...all the best

[flat_right]

Really surprising announcement. If it really is because of family reasons, then I'm afraid that it is something serious and I really wish him all the best. Other theories:

1) Maybe testing Hyundai Rally1 car somewhere? As they just had this rally simulation, then they saw that there is a lot of work to do and need someone experienced to test the car. As Ott has basically nothing to gain then they thought that maybe they can use Ott's talent in development. One rally is over one week with all the travels and recces and they don't have that time.

2) Retirement... With the least probability but considering his latest interviews, wouldn't surprise as much as I would have in summer. He has been quite vocal about the cars as they doesn't deserve WRC name and for the first time it is not a real car. So maybe after rally simulation that Hyundai had, he thought that f*ck this and called it a day.

Anyway.. don't take this too seriously. Just thinking out loud.

[rp]

It could be true that Tänak will retire. At least if he is not able to get next year´s car to his liking and knows that Hyundai is behind the other cars. He is already World Champion and there is nothing more left...

[denkimi]

Perhaps he'll go back to toyota or even m-sport.

I doubt it, but who knows....

[bandit12]

Perhaps he'll go back to toyota or even m-sport.

I doubt it, but who knows....

Please stop talking nonsense.

[doubled1978]

It could be true that Tänak will retire. At least if he is not able to get next year´s car to his liking and knows that Hyundai is behind the other cars. He is already World Champion and there is nothing more left...

All I can say is he doesn’t really give off the impression he loves what he’s doing, it may just be his demeanour but of all of them it wouldn’t surprise me if he packed in before it was expected.
Purely speculative but it would also not surprise me if Ogier stopping is also something that reduces his motivation.

[abcrally]

Really surprising announcement. If it really is because of family reasons, then I'm afraid that it is something serious and I really wish him all the best. Other theories:

1) Maybe testing Hyundai Rally1 car somewhere? As they just had this rally simulation, then they saw that there is a lot of work to do and need someone experienced to test the car. As Ott has basically nothing to gain then they thought that maybe they can use Ott's talent in development. One rally is over one week with all the travels and recces and they don't have that time.

2) Retirement... With the least probability but considering his latest interviews, wouldn't surprise as much as I would have in summer. He has been quite vocal about the cars as they doesn't deserve WRC name and for the first time it is not a real car. So maybe after rally simulation that Hyundai had, he thought that f*ck this and called it a day.

Anyway.. don't take this too seriously. Just thinking out loud.

I also wish Ott and his family all the best.

I find three theories:

Continue with Hyundai
Retirement from WRC
Move to M-Sport Ford

[WRCStan]

If he wants to retire and not honour his contract after Monza why wouldn't he retire and not honour his contract before Monza? Surely he would do it with immediate effect? This is silly season chat!

[rallyfiend]

If he wants to retire and not honour his contract after Monza why wouldn't he retire and not honour his contract before Monza? Surely he would do it with immediate effect? This is silly season chat!

It could just be a chance to give him some time to reconsider his future, before making a final decision.

There will be a lot of testing coming up - both developmental and Monte prep, so they give him a break...

It seems unusual to take this significant decision 2 weeks before the event.....

[AnttiL]

1) Maybe testing Hyundai Rally1 car somewhere? As they just had this rally simulation, then they saw that there is a lot of work to do and need someone experienced to test the car. As Ott has basically nothing to gain then they thought that maybe they can use Ott's talent in development. One rally is over one week with all the travels and recces and they don't have that time.

Whatever the case is this doesn't seem likely at all. The team engineers should be at the test while you suggest they would be in Monza. Test days are limited so they wouldn't have to cancel his Monza drive to gain more test days.

[TypeR]

Are they limited at the moment?
New car, not yet homologated.. can't test as much as they want now?

[flat_right]

But are test days limited if you are developing totally new car? So far I have understood that if you have a homologated car, then for that the test days are counted but for new car, you can basically test as much as you want.

[AnttiL]

From sporting regulations:

68.4.5 2022 WRC CARS TESTING
30 additional test days for the purpose of testing new
generation cars will be granted to every Manufacturer Team
entered in the 2020 and/or 2021 WRC Championship, that
is developing a new WRC car according to the specifications of the 2022 technical regulations, under the following
conditions:
a) for the period of the 1st of November 2020 until 31st of
December 2021
b) for the period of 1st of November 2020 until 31st of
December 2020 all the 2020 WRC regulations regarding
testing have to be respected.
c) for the period of 1st of January 2021 until 31st of
December 2021 all the 2021 WRC regulations regarding
testing have to be respected.
Manufacturer Teams are required to use and complete the
appropriate specific test form available

[meh]

If you read the announcement - one just not make joke or fake news out of family reasons. It would be stupid and ridiculous.

[mknight]

Additional test days.
So you can also use the "normal" 2021 test days for 2022 car (MSport this year and VW in 2016 for 2017 car), the ratio is totally up to you.

(you can also use the additional test days for 2021 car if you really wanted)

[AnttiL]

Additional test days.
So you can also use the "normal" 2021 test days for 2022 car (MSport this year and VW in 2016 for 2017 car), the ratio is totally up to you.

(you can also use the additional test days for 2021 car if you really wanted)

Hmm, I don't know if it would be allowed to use the additional test days for testing 2021 car.

However, Hyundai for sure has used all their 2021 car test days

[ouvreur]

If you read the announcement - one just not make joke or fake news out of family reasons. It would be stupid and ridiculous.

Exactly.

I can't believe that people are basically accusing Tanak of hiding behind "family reasons" for either just not being bothered to go to Monza, or needing a rest, or putting together a secret deal to drive a Ford/Toyota/Trabant/Wartburg/Lada in 2022...

Do people really think he would do that?

[mknight]

Personally I doubt there is something strange with this. Most likely just someone close with some illness or similar.

But I don't really know him on a personal level and doubt that many here do.
I doubt many of these people that don't know him expected him to switch to Hyundai in 2019 either. So that might be the reason why there is more room for speculation now.

[TypeR]

SUNINEN: MONZA IS MY CHANCE TO EARN FULL-TIME WRC SEAT

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/suninen-monza-is-my-chance-to-earn-full-time-wrc-seat/

[meh]

Personally I doubt there is something strange with this. Most likely just someone close with some illness or similar.

But I don't really know him on a personal level and doubt that many here do.
I doubt many of these people that don't know him expected him to switch to Hyundai in 2019 either. So that might be the reason why there is more room for speculation now.

If he could want to retire, he could say it out clearly: "I don't enjoy it anymore and I'm tired of this sh*t".

Meanwhile - not-motivating situation may make some decisions easier to make. I don't know the reasons at the moment, but if there could be title fight situation at the moment, could it be the same decision from him? We can only speculate.

[mknight]

SUNINEN: MONZA IS MY CHANCE TO EARN FULL-TIME WRC SEAT

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/suninen-monza-is-my-chance-to-earn-full-time-wrc-seat/

Full time WRC seat where?

Toyota is full
MSport wont take him back anytime soon
Hyundai is full?

EDIT: Nvm, clickbait title
"“I told you already that my ambition is to be back in the top level, but that’s difficult next season.”"

[AnttiL]

Meanwhile - not-motivating situation may make some decisions easier to make. I don't know the reasons at the moment, but if there could be title fight situation at the moment, could it be the same decision from him? We can only speculate.

Yes.

Also, he skipped the press conference of Acropolis because of personal reasons, and didn't restart in Catalunya although there was no reports of the car being too badly damaged. If these things hadn't happened, speculations would be quieter for sure. But these two could be also a part of the same thing which is forcing him to skip Monza, whatever it is.

And it's true what you said, it's none of our business in the end, we shouldn't speculate too much.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re Tanak possibly doing more testing of the new car... isnt testing unlimited within a certain radius of the team base ?

Just speculation, but Hyundai do need to catch up with their 2022 car asap and getting Tanak more seat-time in it would be beneficial to them both.

[AnttiL]

Re Tanak possibly doing more testing of the new car... isnt testing unlimited within a certain radius of the team base ?

Not anymore, only on a specific small area close to the base. Not sure if Hyundai has anything proper they can use…

[Sulland]

SUNINEN: MONZA IS MY CHANCE TO EARN FULL-TIME WRC SEAT

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/suninen-monza-is-my-chance-to-earn-full-time-wrc-seat/

If he gels with the car, he could be very quick. The i20 is quicker than the Fiesta, but it is a car that not everyone like to push it, since it does not fit all driving styles.

[becher]

If he gels with the car, he could be very quick. The i20 is quicker than the Fiesta, but it is a car that not everyone like to push it, since it does not fit all driving styles.

He has been quick on tarmac in the WRC, then again the Fieste is/was a very good tarmac car.

[mknight]

Yes, at least since 2019 Fiesta was far better on tarmac than any other surface.
Anyway Suninen adds some much needed excitment to what could be a bit boring rally. Let's also hope there is some changing weather.

[Lancia Stratos]

Huttunen drives a Fiesta Rally2:

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc2/huttunen-joins-m-sport-ford-for-season-finale/

[mknight]

Nice let's hope there is decent competition besides Mikkelsen, maybe Gryazin?

Wonder if this means he will drive Fiesta also next year or it's just checking out the car.

[Lancia Stratos]

Entry list is out now:
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc/forum8-aci-rally-monza-entry-list-published/

[WRCStan]

Congrats to Torstein Eriksen, WRC2 co-driver champion. I thought perhaps Ola Floene might be poking Andreas Mikkelsen for a championship winning drive.

[Andre Oliveira]

Another rule “breaking” with Lefebvre being codriver?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/72918-forum8-aci-rally-monza-2021/

[Tom K]

But what would be the purpose? He was not present on any WRC event this year. I thought maybe first WRC 3 enter is free/cheaper with wild car, so now he decided to take another one entering co-driver, but as I mentioned, he did not enter any WRC rally this year. Any ideas?

[Andre Oliveira]

He raced with WRC in 2017.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD1-TiCWYAMU6uX?format=jpg&name=large

[wwbroe]

Nice surprise to see Greg Munster on the entry list:)

[Tom K]

Thank you, Andre! I forgot about this.

[ouvreur]

Lindholm's use of the loophole was cheeky. This just seems wrong.

[mknight]

Well sadly no more surprises. Somehow I expected some more "paydrivers" for (cheap) last run with 2017 cars.

Only good one is Crugnola driving and also as WRC3 (and not outside of WRC3 like some other Italians last year).
Else the competition in RC2 is just a shadow of last year in terms of quality.

Pretty funny with Gryazian driving for "Movisport SRL" against Toksport with likely Toksports car, after already using MSport Fiesta for same purpose. Obviously WRC2 team title is a bit of a joke, but I wonder if there is some money associated with the win or why teams care at all.

[denkimi]

Lindholm's use of the loophole was cheeky. This just seems wrong.

its just because of the stupid rules keeping him from participating in wrc3.

[mknight]

its just because of the stupid rules keeping him from participating in wrc3.

In Lindholms case he couldn't start as WRC3 cause he had max starts this year. Starting outside of WRC3 would put him a long way down the starting order. WRC2 has own rules that allow starting a as "non scoring" driver precisely for this, that WRC3 is missing this is just a technicality with no real meaning.

Lefevbres case is very different. The rules about not allowing drivers that drove WRC for points is to avoid experienced top drivers from dominating the category for "young drivers" (like Mikkelsen did in Monza last year) and forcing them to drive WRC2 instead.

[ouvreur]

Precisely that.

Let's see if anything is done...

[WRCStan]

Should think that WRC3 going Rally3 will remove this particular rule, but what made Lefebvre do WRC3 instead of entering as non-priority driver?

[tigerlily]

Another rule “breaking” with Lefebvre being codriver?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/72918-forum8-aci-rally-monza-2021/

Gilles de Turckheim is the best friend of Julien Ingrassia. I think he wants to participate in this rally because this is the last rally for Ingrassia.
But as Andre mentioned, his driver Lefebvre is not allowed to enter in WRC3, so that's why he entered himself as a driver and Lefebvre as a co-driver. In the race, Lefebvre will drive, I think.

[denkimi]

Should think that WRC3 going Rally3 will remove this particular rule, but what made Lefebvre do WRC3 instead of entering as non-priority driver?
Starting at the front.

As non priority driver you start at the back, which reduces your chance of getting a good result.

[WRCStan]

Starting at the front.

As non priority driver you start at the back, which reduces your chance of getting a good result.

It's worth about 5 cars on day 1, then mostly Monza kilometers. I dunno, I thought there'd be more to it. But I'm here and they're there, where they can't run their own WRCar, can't enter WRC2, cant enter WRC3 - yet still finding a way. Good luck to them.

[dupanton]

Maybe Lefebvre is driving for the same team als Rossel and he wants to take points away from Kajetanowicz?

[ouvreur]

As far as I'm aware, Lefebvre will be run by DG Sport, while Rossel is run by Sainteloc. Not that that means they can't cooperate...

[mknight]

It's worth about 5 cars on day 1, then mostly Monza kilometers. I dunno, I thought there'd be more to it. But I'm here and they're there, where they can't run their own WRCar, can't enter WRC2, cant enter WRC3 - yet still finding a way. Good luck to them.

- it works for all days, WRC3 always starts after WRC2 and before non-priority no matter their position on the standings (see last year for some extreme examples)

- nothing keeps them from entering as WRC2, except that it's more expensive

[Co-driven]

Maybe Lefebvre is driving for the same team als Rossel and he wants to take points away from Kajetanowicz?

I was thinking the same, even thought it's a different team, maybe there is some support from Citroen.

Besides that, does anyone know what was the result of Rossell's appeal from Greece disqualification? The hearing was held on 09/11.

[pantealex]

Is there rule which denied Lefebvre to enter WRC2 ?
(I don´t think so because Lappi, Mikkelsen, Solberg and Suninen etc can enter WRC2)

He would have TV-time and better starting position in WRC2, why did they choose WRC3 ?

[WRCStan]

- it works for all days, WRC3 always starts after WRC2...

True but at first I wondered the real value of this alone on a (mostly) single venue rally for a non-championship runner. It is a fair thought.


- nothing keeps them from entering as WRC2, except that it's more expensive

Yup - I skimmed and misread the rule that says you can't score team points unless you're registered before the 5th round. Also missed any inevitable recent conversations on this.


As far as I'm aware, Lefebvre will be run by DG Sport, while Rossel is run by Sainteloc. Not that that means they can't cooperate...

This I can understand clearly.

[AnttiL]

Is there rule which denied Lefebvre to enter WRC2 ?
(I don´t think so because Lappi, Mikkelsen, Solberg and Suninen etc can enter WRC2)

He would have TV-time and better starting position in WRC2, why did they choose WRC3 ?

It’s too expensive?

[Jarek Z]

Nice surprise to see Greg Munster on the entry list:)

Piero Longhi (#50) is even more surprising! :)

[Jarek Z]

Maybe Lefebvre is driving for the same team als Rossel and he wants to take points away from Kajetanowicz?

Both Rossel and Lefebvre were or still are sponsored by the French federation FFSA, they both drive Citroens, so who knows, your theory may be true...

[Jarek Z]

Besides that, does anyone know what was the result of Rossell's appeal from Greece disqualification? The hearing was held on 09/11.

Yes, I do. The hearing was held and... believe it or not... there is still no decision. According to the article below decision will be made within 10-15 days.

You can read more about it here (if you speak Polish):
https://pl.motorsport.com/wrc/news/nadal-bez-werdyktu/6763219/

[dupanton]

It’s too expensive?

It's very very expensive indeed. Kevin Abbring had the same problem in Monte Carlo. In the end he started as privateer.

[Co-driven]

It’s too expensive?

Rough numbers:

WRC2 Teams registration: €10.000,00 (but could run under Citroen Racing, for example)
Rally entry fee: €7.500,00

WRC3 driver registration: €3.000,00
Rally entry fee: €4.000,00

[mknight]

Rough numbers:

WRC2 Teams registration: €10.000,00 (but could run under Citroen Racing, for example)
Rally entry fee: €7.500,00

WRC3 driver registration: €3.000,00
Rally entry fee: €4.000,00

So potentially if we talk about entering as some team that already entered this season (say TRT) we are talking about
7 500 for WRC2

vs
3000 +4000 = 7 000 Euro for WRC3

Am I missing something?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo6-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/255110580_5086172608078792_319767933836072597_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=AFGX1KOR1s8AX-t7ypL&tn=IpGcfMTCxH7HZ3Sr&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo6-2.fna&oh=1e8e9e9ea99e9c3b05e813bacf9597ce&oe=61945210

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Patterson said on WRC Backstories that the new co-driver for Rally Monza will be the one for Greensmith's 2022 WRC season.

[Danny0405]

Maybe Lefebvre is driving for the same team als Rossel and he wants to take points away from Kajetanowicz?

Don’t think so (even an help from Citroen), Lefebvre was yet driving in Monza in 2020 (we could argue that Bulacia was in the game for Citroen at that time but Lefebvre was useless and I think there is way better than Lefebvre to send for Citroen).

+ as long as the arbitration about Greece is not done (or if it is confirmed), it is Rossel who must take points to Kajto who is in the lead thanks to tiebreaker rules.
And if the arbitration is reversed (giving the win to Rossel with Kajto 2nd in Greece), Kajto couldn’t win anymore the championship with the 5 out of 7 rule.
So really no interest for Citroen to send Lefebvre: only in a really particular case he may have an interest for Rossel considering how small is the gap

[cilaos]

hello

i have 2 places (one room)in hotel in Bergamo from friday 19 november to sunday morning price 130€ (unfortunatly my friends cant come. !) if you are interested I can give you more information greetings sports Cilaos

[mknight]

Weather forecast starting to look pretty boring.

[Andre Oliveira]

Gilles de Turckheim is the best friend of Julien Ingrassia. I think he wants to participate in this rally because this is the last rally for Ingrassia.
But as Andre mentioned, his driver Lefebvre is not allowed to enter in WRC3, so that's why he entered himself as a driver and Lefebvre as a co-driver. In the race, Lefebvre will drive, I think.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FETYgWYXEAId017?format=jpg&name=large

[Lancia Stratos]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FETYgWYXEAId017?format=jpg&name=large

I believe a solution has been found that means Lefebvre is now the entered driver and they will be outside of WRC3.

[Humber]

Is Breen doing the recce?

[Co-driven]

No Route Note Cars on some of the mountain stages (for second pass). Does anyone know the reason for this?

[WRCStan]

I believe a solution has been found that means Lefebvre is now the entered driver and they will be outside of WRC3.

Entry list is now updated: "45: Changed to non-priority & swap driver/co-driver (authorised by the FIA)"

[AnttiL]

No Route Note Cars on some of the mountain stages (for second pass). Does anyone know the reason for this?

Mountain stages are repeated quickly, no time for them to go in between, and likely no big changes in conditions

[Rallyper]

Just 21 hrs left for making your Pickems for Rally Monza. Pick your top eight drivers!
Closing time tomorrow morning at 07.30 CET.

[denkimi]

What a ridiculous shakedown. I've seen local rallysprints that do better than this crap.

Then again, it's an abomination of a rally.

[Ds3]

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/classement-shakedown-rally-monza-2021/

[AnttiL]

What a ridiculous shakedown. I've seen local rallysprints that do better than this crap.


But it's representative of half of the rally :D

[the sniper]

Live contract signing on the shakedown stream for Gus Greensmith... What is this, WWE? :D

Should have shown dad picking up the recipt! :p

[mknight]

It's quite funny that he is signing a contract after ending as 9/10 in WRCs and getting beaten by Rally2 car on top in first SD run.

Anyway the question is what is in the contract. " You will drive all the rallies you pay for?"

[dimviii]

Anyway the question is what is in the contract. " You will drive all the rallies you pay for?"


ahahahahahahhahahahaahahahahah
thats a good one mknight!!

[doubled1978]

It's quite funny that he is signing a contract after ending as 9/10 in WRCs and getting beaten by Rally2 car on top in first SD run.

Anyway the question is what is in the contract. " You will drive all the rallies you pay for?"


Ha ha, yeah I would imagine it’s something like that!

In all seriousness tho, this coming season is the acid test for Gus. If that Puma is competitive, he has no excuses.
I hope it goes well for the lad…

[mknight]

In all seriousness tho, this coming season is the acid test for Gus. If that Puma is competitive, he has no excuses.


It will not be easy to judge whether Puma is competetive though. Sure if its fighting on podium regularly you might say that.

But Breen has close to no experience on like 1/2 rallies and hasn't done a few of the others in long time. Fourmaux also little rally experience and little 4WD experience on top. Loeb (if he shows up) has had another long break. So if they are fighting only for 4-5th place it might as well be the drivers.
If they got Tanak or someone like that it would be easier.

[AnttiL]

Buon giorno!

I expect Neuville and Evans to fight for the Win. Ogier will just quietly secure a good position and the title. Rovanperä and Sordo might surprise us. Out of the rest, I expect Fourmaux to be the fastest, but I also hope Suninen finds speed in the Hyundai. It won't be an easy task, as we've seen previously on tarmac.

As for RC2, difficult to bet against Mikkelsen. Maybe Rossel is going to throw all in but the shakedown wasn't yet promising...

[Rallyper]

Morning guys!

[AnttiL]

ffs again.. f rookies in wrc+. Season's last rally and once again can't do their job and show stage live..

If bad weather prevents the aeroplane from taking off, how could someone do it better?

[AnttiL]

A super strong stage from Ogier here...

[TypeR]

Neuville and Rovanperä massive loss on this stage..

[WRC1]

WOW!!! Ogier!

[Rallyper]

Must be something with Kalle...

[TypeR]

bs from Kalle.. ,,nothing to push for blabla''

[Rallyper]

Man! No fighting. That´s teamorders folks.

[jonkka]

If bad weather prevents the aeroplane from taking off, how could someone do it better?

So their pilot does not have instrument rating license?

[TypeR]

Suninen getting beaten by both Fiestas

[WRC1]

So their pilot does not have instrument rating license?

maybe Sunninen should fly the Plane, in the Car he is a bit useless, lets see if he is a better Aircraft Pilot

[drive]

Neuville slight overshoot in shakedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pbgxclHxAM

[TypeR]

proper fog on SS2

[AnttiL]

So their pilot does not have instrument rating license?

I don't understand this question but usually flight control gives or denies permissions to take off.

[Rallyper]

Let that pilot-thing go...
Let´s talk about drivers perfomance instead.

[jonkka]

I don't understand this question but usually flight control gives or denies permissions to take off.

Milan airport is open, so conditions in the air aren't so bad that flights have been cancelled. WRC repeater plane could fly provided that their pilot can fly on low-visibility conditions, which requires that their pilot is certified to fly on instrument conditions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_rating).

[jonkka]

Let that pilot-thing go...
Let´s talk about drivers perfomance instead.

Go ahead then, say what you got to say?

[TypeR]

Rovanperä +30s..
what's the point?

[Rallyper]

Go ahead then, say what you got to say?

All other than flying, which obviously is ongoing since an hour or so.

I´d say Rovanpera...

[EstWRC]

Rovanperä +30s..
what's the point?

I assume he has the clear order to finish 100% and bring manu points cause Ogier and Evans can make mistakes and go out while fighting for the title

[Rallyper]

Shame for the sport, not driving...

JML are not confident both Evans and Ogier reach the finish. Maybe even not Taka, so Kalle has to cruise...

[jonkka]

I´d say Rovanpera...

So you can say one driver's name, that's a good start. And then?

[TypeR]

Like Hyundai has any real chance of the manu's title :D

[rallyfiend]

So their pilot does not have instrument rating license?

There was fog over Linate this morning.

When there is fog, it delays ALL planes taking off.

Have you never flown beforE?

[AnttiL]

Shame for the sport, not driving...

JML are not confident both Evans and Ogier reach the finish. Maybe even not Taka, so Kalle has to cruise...

Taka does not matter here.

Toyota needs one car to finish so they are manufacturer champion. Would be quite high stakes to let Kalle push for gaining essentially nothing.

[AnttiL]

Milan airport is open, so conditions in the air aren't so bad that flights have been cancelled. WRC repeater plane could fly provided that their pilot can fly on low-visibility conditions, which requires that their pilot is certified to fly on instrument conditions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_rating).

Considering there is now fog, and we're getting live pictures, we can assume there's no problems with the pilot's instrument ratings. The delay has been out of WRC+ team's hands.

[jonkka]

Considering there is now fog, and we're getting live pictures, we can assume there's no problems with the pilot's instrument ratings. The delay has been out of WRC+ team's hands.

So feed is back on? Then all is well...

[Rallyper]

So feed is back on? Then all is well...

Has been since about 07.45 CET... ;)

[AnttiL]

So feed is back on? Then all is well...

The live footage started just before Ogier finished SS1.

[Jakem]

So Fiesta still better car than I20;) proof for all you unbelivers. Give it to Ogier or Tanak and they will win with it.

[AnttiL]

So Fiesta still better car than I20;) proof for all you unbelivers. Give it to Ogier or Tanak and they will win with it.

???

[ouvreur]

So Fiesta still better car than I20;) proof for all you unbelivers. Give it to Ogier or Tanak and they will win with it.

That's one hell of a conclusion to jump to, considering the fastest Fiesta has lost nearly double the time of the fastest Hyundai to the rally leader. Are you watching the same rally as the rest of us, or does your results sheet start at 6?

[Mackie]

Is it because of Suninen's time? A bit early, don't you think?

[satukata]

Is there tyrefitting now?

[Jakem]

That's one hell of a conclusion to jump to, considering the fastest Fiesta has lost nearly double the time of the fastest Hyundai to the rally leader. Are you watching the same rally as the rest of us, or does your results sheet start at 6?

It is because of Suninen 2 first stage times, I know it is still early, but when we had in the past so good opportunity to compare cars as in one season driver will drive 2 different wrc cars.

[OHL]

Is there tyrefitting now?

A refuel and 40 minute regroup right now.

[mknight]

It is because of Suninen 2 first stage times, I know it is still early, but when we had in the past so good opportunity to compare cars as in one season driver will drive 2 different wrc cars.

a) it's early

b) i20 doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation on tarmac from Paddon over Mikkelsen, Loeb to Tanak

c) tarmac and especially slippery one has been Fiestas best surface

[AnttiL]

It is because of Suninen 2 first stage times, I know it is still early, but when we had in the past so good opportunity to compare cars as in one season driver will drive 2 different wrc cars.

But Suninen didn't drive Fiesta WRC on tarmac this year. Last year's only tarmac rallies were Monza and Monte, both more snowy/icy than this year's Monza, and Suninen retired early in Monza with engine failure. Thus the last time he drove the Fiesta WRC on tarmac was Catalunya 2019. His stage positions back then were mostly 7-9 with three better stages (and same with Monte 2020).

[mknight]

Well I am really surprise by Ogier. Everyone including me predicted he will control it easily for 3-4th place...

[AnttiL]

Well I am really surprise by Ogier. Everyone including me predicted he will control it easily for 3-4th place...

+1

[Mackie]

It seems Kalle has upped his pace, somewhat.

[Loikam]

Well I am really surprise by Ogier. Everyone including me predicted he will control it easily for 3-4th place...


But we forgot that Ogier / Ingrassia's last victory is from Kenya - I think Seb wants to end their cooperation with the victory :)

[TypeR]

Fourmaux
https://www.upload.ee/image/13646902/fourmaux11.jpg

[Rally Hokkaido]

Fourmaux out - slid off and rolled onto armco fence.

[Rally Hokkaido]

It was a slow roll and it seems like the car is not badly damaged - just stuck on top of the fence.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Solberg very very lucky not to crash at an earlier part of the stage where Neuville also had a moment.

[TypeR]

SS4 start delayed

[ouvreur]

It was a slow roll and it seems like the car is not badly damaged - just stuck on top of the fence.

You wonder if that would have happened, if they were allowed RNC between stages...

[flykas]

Seems like a beast run from Ogier.

[MTA]

When was the last time a Swede was 5th OA in WRC on tarmac?

[Essaj]

Some stunt driving by Seb:p

[Jakem]

a) it's early

b) i20 doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation on tarmac from Paddon over Mikkelsen, Loeb to Tanak

c) tarmac and especially slippery one has been Fiestas best surface

This what I wanted to say in my firts post. Fiesta is still faster, dosen't matter that it is "under developed" last years and I20 over developed. All these drivers you mentioned have tried to make I20 drivable on tarmac, but still the same "understeer". Tanak's words about I20: "You can do everything, but you can't change a women to a man".
This again shows that Neuville has bulit a car around him in what even himself struggels most of the time. If you see how Neuville drives with it(most of the time on the edge)
Hopefully I20 rally1 car will be better on tarmac...

[AnttiL]

When was the last time a Swede was 5th OA in WRC on tarmac?

Kenneth Eriksson in Sanremo 1996?

[MTA]

Kenneth Eriksson in Sanremo 1996?I would guess Kenneth too.

[Mackie]

This what I wanted to say in my firts post. Fiesta is still faster, dosen't matter that it is "under developed" last years and I20 over developed. All these drivers you mentioned have tried to make I20 drivable on tarmac, but still the same "understeer". Tanak's words about I20: "You can do everything, but you can't change a women to a man".
This again shows that Neuville has bulit a car around him in what even himself struggels most of the time. If you see how Neuville drives with it(most of the time on the edge)
Hopefully I20 rally1 car will be better on tarmac...

I love that quote!

I'm not saying you are right, but there is something weird about the handling of the i20...

[TypeR]

stage stopped after Sordo.. something happened to a spectator..

[mknight]

It's something else on gravel though. There Fiesta clearly lacks.

[AnttiL]

This what I wanted to say in my firts post. Fiesta is still faster, dosen't matter that it is "under developed" last years and I20 over developed

Still don't understand the logic how "Fiesta is still faster"

[AnttiL]

stage stopped after Sordo.. something happened to a spectator..

a spectator needed ambulance because of a some sort of seizure

[Rallyper]

Cancelled?

[Mackie]

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc/watch-fourmaux-rolls-out/

Video of Fourmaux rolling.

[spiderem]

changed lead in this stage? nice splits from Evans

[Rally Hokkaido]

less than a second behind Seb after SS5!

[dimviii]

Fourmaux
https://twitter.com/HenriLo15666123/status/1461692007659847688

[rp]

What a final for the World Rally Cars! 1st time during the current WRC17 era that not interesting enough to follow the event. It´s so boring!

[Rallyper]

What a final for the World Rally Cars! 1st time during the current WRC17 era that not interesting enough to follow the event. It´s so boring!

Agree a lot.

[jonkka]

What a final for the World Rally Cars! 1st time during the current WRC17 era that not interesting enough to follow the event. It´s so boring!

They did the same event last year too, so it's not the first uninteresting time.

[djip]

What a final for the World Rally Cars! 1st time during the current WRC17 era that not interesting enough to follow the event. It´s so boring!

What di you expect ? It's hardly a proper rally... We were fooled last year because of the dreadful weather which (almost) made it look genuine ... but now we're back to reality. If this is what our governing bodies want WRC to head to, it is becoming very sad ...

[rp]

What di you expect ? It's hardly a proper rally... We were fooled last year because of the dreadful weather which (almost) made it look genuine ... but now we're back to reality. If this is what our governing bodies want WRC to head to, it is becoming very sad ...

Nothing! Of course last year the weather made a difference. Not looking good if the current Promoter is thinking that it´s going well...

[WRC1]

What a final for the World Rally Cars! 1st time during the current WRC17 era that not interesting enough to follow the event. It´s so boring!

the best Drivers in the world should master all kinds of roads, its not pretty, but i think it is very very difficult to stay out of trouble in these kind of stages! We had soo many positive surprises this year, Arctic, Croatia, Finland in autumn...the last season for the WRC17 was a great one and the last race is still difficult!

[Essaj]

Some Monza Rally Show action with Mikkelsen and Bulacia :D

[rp]

the best Drivers in the world should master all kinds of roads, its not pretty, but i think it is very very difficult to stay out of trouble in these kind of stages! We had soo many positive surprises this year, Arctic, Croatia, Finland in autumn...the last season for the WRC17 was a great one and the last race is still difficult!

Yes. It was great season. That´s why the final event should be something else, but of course we all know that there is still COVID-time going. Better than nothing, but boring :)

[Rallyper]

Gryazin...!!!

[WRCStan]

Toksport trialling the new Team Convoy format for the FIA.

[ouvreur]

Gryazin...!!!

You've got to give it to the guy, he's consistent...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So it's a straight fight beteeen Ogier and Evans for the rally win here - it seems none of the Hyundai's are able to come between them to make an Evans title win possible.

A shame there's no Tanak here too which already weakened the Hyundai team and therefore Evans' chances.

Probably only an Ogier puncture or (unlikely) mistake can make it interesting now.

[WRCStan]

I don't think Seb will mind watching Elfyn win the battle if the war is won.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Morning stages by Riviera Rally
https://youtu.be/ysax9MRKH4o

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!

Tyre news

All drivers have taken 5x Pirelli PZero hard compound tyres for this morning's loop in the mountains.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Great time from Teemu (yeah, I'm a fan)!

[AnttiL]

Great time from Teemu (yeah, I'm a fan)!

Apparently Adamo wasn't satisfied in his performance yesterday.

Bulacia went off so Huttunen leads WRC2 (Gryazin not driving for points)

[Rallyper]

Neuville stopped!
Edit: moving again...

[AnttiL]

Neuville slid wide on a right hander and hit the armco on the inside, but can continue.

Greensmith has brake issues, and Suninen is now only 1.6s behind.

[AnttiL]

Now Ogier can take it very easy, he can lose 40 seconds to Neuville and still be on podium, which is enough for him.

[drive]

Now Ogier can take it very easy, he can lose 40 seconds to Neuville and still be on podium, which is enough for him.

same as yesterday he could be taking an easy from the beginning, lets see second loop in the mountains - I think he still would push

[Fredouye]

Some photos from SS9

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/437090ff8947f410763766f2ae676b13.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/28be8168837fd91b48216b912afdf94e.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/05c883750aac8cdd50cc8a5f0d68fc45.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/5723a75bc03084a486c862aaad61bcef.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/4b5564a4aaa9c6854962a342d2baca28.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/ad24110618a76d90b426b7f28de590b6.jpg

[AnttiL]

That was a nice tricky narrow broken tarmac section on the long stage

[Rallyper]

Sordo and Solberg same time on SS10 +0,8 from Suninen...

[dimviii]

caption this photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1461816565800783877/gixNqJ6O?format=jpg&name=small

[EstWRC]

Nice time from teemu finally


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[AnttiL]

caption this photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1461816565800783877/gixNqJ6O?format=jpg&name=small

What does it say on the bottom?

[doubled1978]

[QUOTE=EstWRC;1287130]Nice time from teemu finally


Yes, but I don’t blame him for his approach really. A day 1 crash could have been a top line career ender for him, so taking it steady yesterday and showing a bit today is fully understandable. He has shown a better pace today, I hope it continues for him.

[dimviii]

Karlip Automobile
@Karlip1
.@TeemuSuninenRac
gives the barrier a good whack, small damage to the rear wing


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEogTDiWQAQKOkl?format=jpg&name=large

[Rally Hokkaido]

Karlip Automobile
@Karlip1
.@TeemuSuninenRac
gives the barrier a good whack, small damage to the rear wing


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEogTDiWQAQKOkl?format=jpg&name=large

Quite a chunk taken out of the left rear wheel, too. Lucky boy!

[AnttiL]

Last proper stage done for WRC2017 cars. Now only five super specials left.

[djip]

On a side topic, i find Rossel impressive. Despite the punch in the face due to the lost appeal (and I think this was pretty unfair ...) and the huge pressure, he is on route for WRC3 and WRC2 victory (same as Ypres). He has been truely dominant in WRC3 this year and is now on par with WRC2 top contenders. It ain't over 'till it's over, but the lad may have a bright future.

[Danny0405]

Title done for Ogier except mechanical failure, let’s see if he will take some risks on the circuit or let the win to Evans (the second option I think).
Clean job for Solberg so far, Suninen quite disappointing on the other hand. Katsuta so-so, with his experience on circuit, should have been closer to Solberg and far ahead for Greensmith.

In WRC-2, Huttunen in the lead but he shows absolutely nothing so far in RC2 class except on circuit, quite lucky so far. The only positive is that it would be the first victory from M-Sport in either WRC-2 Pro/WRC-2/WRC-3 for more than 2 years (Greensmith in Turkey in 2019).

In WRC-3, Rossel take a good lead to Kajto this morning but Crugnola is close and was the fastest on the circuit part yesterday so it may interfere in the championship fight between the 2. So it is not finished and all may be at stake during the Power Stage for the title.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Last proper stage done for WRC2017 cars. Now only five super specials left.

Pretty nice proper stages to end the era - like an Autumnal Monte-Carlo.

The real pity has been the domination of the Toyota's here. I really expected the Hyundai's to be in the fight for the win too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fourmaux straight on at the first corner in Monza circuit. Not nice stages but not easy either.

[Danny0405]

Ogier in defensive mode and Evans takes the lead ... but logical from Ogier, finishing with the title is the most important, especially on that type of stages.

[Danny0405]

Rossel lost a lot of time in this one ... may be really complicated for him now because he seems clearly less competitive than Kajto in the circuit part

[dimviii]

Neuville crash
https://twitter.com/fernischumi/status/1462147511599181829

[lmmjvss]

Ahh... Monza is not a WRC event IMO. These cars are too powerfull for most of the tight stages. Its an ERC event max.
Boy Im gonna miss these cars =[

[Essaj]

Ogier carefully now:eek:

[Sulland]

How could FIA approve that 2021 championship to be decided by mickey mouse stages on an old racetrack with some gravel parts?

Tragic seen from a sport point of view!

[dimviii]

Ogier carefully now:eek:

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_11_2021/post-312-0-69249800-1637481583.jpg

[Päss1928]

Ogier carefully now:eek:

That was really really lucky.. Touched concrete in a shicane with front right. A piece missing from tyre and rim scratched.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEs28vvXoAwexAc?format=jpg&name=small

[AnttiL]

Amazing photo, amazing luck

[Portimao]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEs28vvXoAwexAc?format=jpg&name=small

he could've ended there

[TypeR]

Amazing footage!
Straight wheel saved him.. if it was turned a bit out, it would have been like Kalle's PET went.

[Lead]

As already mentioned this is complete disgrace of the rally championship ending.

[dimviii]

Huttunen update

The M-Sport Ford team traces the problem to an electrical issue and have managed to get the car going again.
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Sun
10:41
Drama in WRC2

Rally leader Jari Huttunen's Fiesta has just been pushed into service - more news as we have it.

[Rallyper]

Katsuta no frontleft suspension...

[Rallyper]

Should be out of the rally now...

[Rallyper]

What does Flexi Service mean? They have 15 mins after SS15. Can Taka repair, or allowed...?

[jonkka]

What does Flexi Service mean? They have 15 mins after SS15. Can Taka repair, or allowed...?

It's same as normal service but with flexible regulations (car can be driven into and out of service by other than crew, early check-in is allowed etc).

[TypeR]

Evans didn't handle the pressure

[Rally Hokkaido]

Lots of drama in that stage. Hopefully Taka's car can be repaired without any time penalty as Gus is only 3.7 secs behind.

[NoFear85]

59.2 RUNNING OF FLEXI-SERVICE AND TIME SCHEDULES (P1 AND P4 DRIVERS)
59.2.1 Crews must check into service at their due time, park their car in their allocated bay and submit their time card to the rally official in attendance without carrying out any work on the car except as permitted under Article 63.5.2.
59.2.2 When the service commences the start time of actual service will be marked on the time card by the rally official. It is the competitor’s responsibility to obtain this time from the rally official. The competitor is likewise responsible for all entries on that time card.
59.2.3 The competing car may be driven by an authorised represent- ative of the competitor only once from the service park to the overnight parc fermé, respecting all the formalities of time card presentation and related penalties.
59.2.4 Early check-in at the time control after flexi-service is permitted without penalty.
59.3 RUNNING OF FLEXI-SERVICE AND TIME SCHEDULES (P2, P3, RGT AND NON-PRIORITY DRIVERS)
59.3.1 After the 10-minute technical zone inside the parc fermé, the crews may then either enter the service park or leave their car in the parc fermé.
59.3.2 The competing car may be driven by an authorised represent- ative of the competitor only once from the parc fermé to the service park and vice versa, respecting all the formalities of time card presentation and related penalties,
59.3.3 Early check-in at the time control after flexi-service is permitted without penalty.

[Sulland]

What happened with Taka, did the rears lock up, and the front hit something, or did the front suspension break by itself, and made the rest happen?

[Päss1928]

What happened with Taka, did the rears lock up, and the front hit something, or did the front suspension break by itself, and made the rest happen?

Locked up at high speed on a straight before the shicane, spun and slid into the concrete and hayballs.

[AnttiL]

At least now there wasn't the problem of being banned for three-wheeling on public road section :)

A very good first half, very bad second half of the season for Katsuta

[EstWRC]

Congratulations to Ogier and all the other class winners.

The consistency of Ogier is simply amazing again. And no big technical dramas at all during the season, nada, unbelievable

[AndyRAC]

The end of a 25 year era; and ends in a whimper.....

[seb_sh]

Congratulations to Ogier, ending his career in a very typical fashion, driving at his pace that is comfortable for him but uncomfortable for others, taking what he can when he's not the fastest and profiting when he is. Some would say he is the luckiest man alive... lucky he doesn't go off at dangerous places, lucky he doesn't get punctures, lucky he doesn't hit rocks, lucky others make mistakes, lucky his car didn't break down, lucky he has the right tyres and the list goes on, have heard it all many times over the years. I say maybe the man knows something more than the others ;) I was never a big fan but must admit he is a great champion, one of the greatest of all time.

[Humber]

The end of a 25 year era; and ends in a whimper.....

Anyone who has followed rallying, knows it is not over until it is over.

Sainz - Toyota RAC 1998. Post event technical check - Loeb australia, Burns- Argentina, Hirvonen - Portugal etc

[Danny0405]

Nothing to wait in the last stage except mechanical failure and the Rossel / Kajto fight where they will be all-in (but think it will be hard for Rossel considering what happens on the circuit so far)
Disappointing performance by Katsuta, a top-5 was a minimum-goal with the circuit part but a lot of mistakes from him this weekend.
Strange rally for Rovanpera... not really enjoyable I think

Ogier would give a 200th (driver) French win in WRC with this one, a good way to finish his «*regular*» career (Loeb did the 100th)

[seb_sh]

Hehe Kalle having some fun, letting off some steam.

[Mirek]

First stage watching this weekend. Kalle is just doing donuts and drifts for the spectators as far as I can see.

[Rallyper]

Kalle first driver doing two donuts on same stage?

[becher]

Locked up at high speed on a straight before the shicane, spinned and slid into the concrete and hayballs.

Didn't Taka hit the concret with the right side yet the damage was on the left? Was there an incident before that allready?

[Rallyper]

Didn't Taka hit the concret with the right side yet the damage was on the left? Was there an incident before that allready?

No. Slid to the right.

[Mirek]

Solberg stalled briefly.

[Rallyper]

Evans thanks Kalle for sacrificing this weekend for the team. Sportmanship.