56th RallyRACC CATALUNYA-COSTA DAURADA

[Eli]

Itinerary has been revealed today, for the first time since 2009 we're back to an all asphalt event.

http://www.rallyracc.com/2021/en/noticia_2415.html

The rally includes 19 Special Stages which conclude 306.50 km.

[DocMS]

Any update if Spectators will be allowed? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210830/cb5a54b22cbb733abab388de907fd01d.jpg

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[dupanton]

I heard that on friday, they will cancel 1 of the stages due to Covid. No idea which one, maybe one that goes through a populated area or someting.

[Fredouye]

Batea - Vilalba has indeed been cancelled.

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-RACC-2021

Also the new Sunday stage has been changed to Santa Marina (route yet unknown)

[mknight]

Cais will start as WRC2 (under MSport).

[Priorat]

Starts after the village of Pratdip

[Simmi]

Are there any issues expected for spectators attending the event? Or just business as usual?

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/hartusvuoriwrc/status/1441058198249562112?s=21

No Mikkelsen

[pantealex]

https://storage.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/135cd89c-16fc-4822-b1e5-6126d263d021%2F383d7ef7-8c93-4c14-bf92-8d9168563ca4_Entry%20List%20-%20RallyRACC%202021.pdf?generation=163240890769635 3&alt=media

Entrylist.

WRC3
Emil Lindholm has done all his rallies, so he is "co-driving" and Reeta Hämäläinen is "driving", I hope she gets some points.

[mousti]

https://twitter.com/hartusvuoriwrc/status/1441058198249562112?s=21

No MikkelsenMaybe because it seems Edmondson will probably doing the notes of Oliver.. Gryazin with Polo not sure, it could be with Fabia..

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[mknight]

https://twitter.com/hartusvuoriwrc/status/1441058198249562112?s=21

No Mikkelsen

That he is not starting in WRC2 is not a big surprise. As it's much "safer" to do Monza (where he was great last year) knowing exactly how many points he needs. Will make ERC title a bit more difficult without Canarias.
There was some hope he would start in Fiesta WRC (see f.e. Dirtfish interview with Millener around Ypres time). But then again that would only mean comparison with Forumaux and Greensmith.

In way it's also a bit surprising that Østberg kept Catalunya even when Monza replaced Japan. As a driver surely Monza would fit him better. But Catalunya might suit C3 much more.

Gryazin back to Polo even though tarmac is probably strongest surface for Fiesta Rally2 maybe reflects his Acropolis experience.
Edit: Actually it's weird that he seems entered as WRC2, cause I also see him entered in Finland as WRC2 "scoring", that would be his 8th entry which shouldn't be possible.

Note that Bulacia is not entered as points scorer.

Camilli in WRC2 can also fight in the top.

[drive]

Is that correct stage video? https://youtu.be/aTZtPTq1NoI

[DocMS]

Anyone recommend any viewing points?

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[Simmi]

Main news from this morning. No Service Park access. No Loubet.

[AnttiL]

Route preview. New version of Querol is interesting with concrete and broken tarmac sections. Also I love the flow of Riba-Roja.

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/09/21/route-preview-rally-catalunya-2021/

[jonkka]

Going through the entry list and got curious. Can someone confirm that driver #59 Juan Antonio Castillo is same person who co-drove for Dani Sordo (whose other surname is also Castillo) in his WRC debut 2003?

[Danny0405]

In addition to RC1, some interesting fights to see in the other categories.
Ostberg/Suninen/Huttunen in WRC2 who may still contend for the title in Monza if they win (even if Mikkelsen will be favorite) with Camilli (and Cais less probably) that could cause them some troubles.
In WRC3, Kajto needs the win to take the lead before his close fight with Rossel in Monza. Not that simple with Pepe Lopez, the young Solans, Ingram and even Lindholm on the entry list.
And the JWRC last round (strange pick to put 3 tarmac rallies out of 5) with Pajari/Armstrong/Sesks. Will be complicated for Pajari as Armstrong wins the first two tarmac rallies.

[Fredouye]

Route preview. New version of Querol is interesting with concrete and broken tarmac sections. Also I love the flow of Riba-Roja.

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/09/21/route-preview-rally-catalunya-2021/

As usual, thanks for your work !

[Fredouye]

Ostberg/Suninen/Huttunen in WRC2 who may still contend for the title in Monza if they win (even if Mikkelsen will be favorite) with Camilli (and Cais less probably) that could cause them some troubles.
Camilli was only 20 seconds behind Ostberg in 2019, and it was his first rally with the C3 R5… he is much more comfortable with the car now, IMHO he will fight for the victory.

[kabouter]

Going through the entry list and got curious. Can someone confirm that driver #59 Juan Antonio Castillo is same person who co-drove for Dani Sordo (whose other surname is also Castillo) in his WRC debut 2003?

Hi Jonkka, how are you? I checked in some old results, and Dani Sordo's codriver was Juan Antonio Castillo Ferna, whereas the current driver is Juan Antonio Castillo Fernández, so I think they are different people.

Edit: on second thoughts, probably Ferna should be Fernandez, but it just didn't fit in the table, so now I do think he is the same person...

And then I had the presence of mind to just look it up in the old Rallybase database tables I still have, and I had him as Juan Antonio Castillo Fernández all along in 2003. So it is very likely he is the same person currently driving a Rally2 Ford Fiesta.

[mknight]

Camilli was only 20 seconds behind Ostberg in 2019, and it was his first rally with the C3 R5… he is much more comfortable with the car now, IMHO he will fight for the victory.

French teams are quite known for very strict team orders and they use a lot of money on the C3 R5 of Østberg in WRC 2. So I doubt he will be allowed to (hypothetically) finish ahead since Østberg still has a title chance.

[jonkka]

Hi Jonkka, how are you?

Hi ya! Tjeerd, is it? Hard to remember old nicknames. I am fine, old farts die hard. And you?



And then I had the presence of mind to just look it up in the old Rallybase database tables I still have, and I had him as Juan Antonio Castillo Fernández all along in 2003. So it is very likely he is the same person currently driving a Rally2 Ford Fiesta.

Ha-ha, I figured as much as my data pointed at the same! That is interesting little bit of occurrence, what goes around comes around. A tip for local TV crews, go asking both crews about their first common foray to WRC. Thanks for confirming this.

[kabouter]

Hi ya! Tjeerd, is it? Hard to remember old nicknames. I am fine, old farts die hard. And you?
Yes, you got the correct Kabouter :) I've not been following rallying much for about ten years - life getting in the way (change of work, buying a house, a kid), but sometimes I do look in on the forum I spent so much time on while I was at uni.

I've found a video interview with Juan Castillo from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0IbLqE47z8
Could be the correct age to have started co-driving 20 years ago.

And now I've found confirmation in this article: https://revistascratch.com/regional-cantabria/noticia/juan-castillo-cambia-la-montana-por-los-rallyes-46259

It describes the intended switch of Juan Castillo from hillclimbing to rallying as a driver for the 2019 season, mentioning that he already had rallying experience as codriver for, among others, Dani Sordo.

That was a fun little puzzle, bringing me back to the times I did this on an almost daily basis to make RallyBase as accurate as possible...

[PLuto]

Yes, you got the correct Kabouter :) I've not been following rallying much for about ten years - life getting in the way (change of work, buying a house, a kid), but sometimes I do look in on the forum I spent so much time on while I was at uni.

Hi Tjeerd, it is great to see you again after so long time !

[Kaps]

Hey Tjeerd!
Can't believe it's you!
How's everything? No more RallyBase, in any form?

[drive]

Where to check local weather for stages?

[kabouter]

Hi Tjeerd, it is great to see you again after so long time !


Hey Tjeerd!
Can't believe it's you!
How's everything? No more RallyBase, in any form?
Hi guys! I see you're still around after all these years :) I'm fine. Life's a lot different now though compared to 10 years ago.

I've still got all the RallyBase data, but not the time nor energy to build a more modern website (with more secure code) and start updating the database again. If a rallyfan with IT skills would volunteer to do most of the work, I could probably get all the old data back online, but I won't have the time to add all the missing results from the last ten years. And with ewrc-results.com around, I don't think there's much need.

[Steve Boyd]

but I won't have the time to add all the missing results from the last ten years. And with ewrc-results.com around, I don't think there's much need.
That's a pity - it was a great resource & I miss the questions on the "History" thread. It was fun digging to find if I had the answer and fascinating to read the answers that others found.

[mknight]

Where to check local weather for stages?

For a simple start you can use this: https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-table/2-3105877/Spain/Catalonia/Tarragona/Vilaplana
when watching on the same day it's best to use a combination of webcams and radar for example like this: https://www.windy.com/-Weather-radar-radar?radar,41.376,1.689,9

Looks like some rain on Saturday, which would be nice. Catalunya can get a bit boring if it's dry all the time and who doesn't remember Loeb's 2018 win?

[Andre Oliveira]

Hi Jonkka, how are you? I checked in some old results, and Dani Sordo's codriver was Juan Antonio Castillo Ferna, whereas the current driver is Juan Antonio Castillo Fernández, so I think they are different people.

Edit: on second thoughts, probably Ferna should be Fernandez, but it just didn't fit in the table, so now I do think he is the same person...

And then I had the presence of mind to just look it up in the old Rallybase database tables I still have, and I had him as Juan Antonio Castillo Fernández all along in 2003. So it is very likely he is the same person currently driving a Rally2 Ford Fiesta.

Yes, it is the same.

https://www.revistascratch.com/regional-cantabria/noticia/juan-castillo-cambia-la-montana-por-los-rallyes-46259

[drive]

so silent.... its a rally week!!! :) any suggestions on a plan for Fri ss1, ss3 ss4 and back to ss6? I know its hard to predict how many people would turn up, but still: my plan to come to ss3 near Ermita de Berrus through tv7411 road and for ss6 through Barranc de Voravall - or is it to optimistic? :)

[mknight]

Things to follow in Spain besides the Ogier vs Evans fight:

- tarmac is last surface where Rovanpera doesn't have very good results (1-2) will he get it here?

- did Hyundai finally improve on (normal) tarmac for other drives than Neuville? A bit pointless though as both titles are lost.

- Solberg,(goal has to be to get to finish, not to post 1-2 fast times), comparison with Solans in older car and much less testing

- MSport and Fourmaux especially, tarmac is best surface for both of them

- new Hyundai with Suninen and Gryazin (again) in Fabia, Cais (improvement after Barum? or was it mostly "home advantage") and Stritesky

[rp]

- tarmac is last surface where Rovanpera doesn't have very good results (1-2) will he get it here?

Yes, no 1 or 2 results yet, but showed already in Ypres (3rd) that he is able to fight with the best drivers on tarmac beating his teammates Evans & Ogier.

[er88]

Yes, no 1 or 2 results yet, but showed already in Ypres (3rd) that he is able to fight with the best drivers beating his teammates Evans & Ogier.Yep, that was a very, very good performance in Ypres considering what he did to Ogier and Evans. He's still so raw in terms of wrc tarmac experience compared to his teammates and all the Hyundai's.

Monza wasn't proper tarmac, Monte Carlo's aren't. In Croatia he crashed on the 1st stage (a corner Ogier was inches from binning it too), and he took a podium in Ypres. Unless I'm mistaken, that's only the maybe two conventional tarmac events he's done?

[Priorat]

so silent.... its a rally week!!! :) any suggestions on a plan for Fri ss1, ss3 ss4 and back to ss6? I know its hard to predict how many people would turn up, but still: my plan to come to ss3 near Ermita de Berrus through tv7411 road and for ss6 through Barranc de Voravall - or is it to optimistic? :)

Take into account that this tv7411 is not a tarmac road but gravel so, depending where you come from in ss1 could be tight

[drive]

Take into account that this tv7411 is not a tarmac road but gravel so, depending where you come from in ss1 could be tight
Thanks! Yes i know about the gravel, just question how bad/slow it could be...
Cannot deside for Sat how to get 4 places to watch... any suggestions? 😀

[EstWRC]

so, can Ogier do like Tänak in 2019 and clinch the title in Spain?

He definitely cant just drive with his halfass speed this time, im sure he would like to clinch the title and he has superb record on tarmac with the Toyota (3 wins out of the LAST 4 tarmac rallies).

So in my eyes he is definitely the favourite, although if Evans can keep his Rally Finland momentum then we should see an epic fight. Evans definitely has to give his maximum again.

But the trend lately with the Toyotas is that only one driver from the team nails the set-up and the rest are struggling, so we will see who it is this time or will they all nail it?

Hyundais were 1 and 3 here in 2019, actually 1-2 even before the last stage, and they all had good speed on Ypres too but Spain has totally different character than Ypres. Dont know what do think, Thierry will definitely be fast.

M-sport will have their intra battle again, i expect Fourmaux to win this time easily.

and realllyyy interested to see how Suninen will go with the Hyundai in WRC2 class and Solbergs debut on tarmac with the main machine.


i hope it will be really exciting rally again like in Finland, with Ogier and Evans having a really close fight for the win and Hyundais also mixing it up there.

[Rallyper]

Don´t forget Pickems guys!! Stop time is 0830 CEST Friday morning.

[TypeR]

Solberg driving with the newest car/chassis(#31).

edit: yes, chassis is 31, license plate is 51 ending.
mybad

[EstWRC]

Morning, shakedown vibes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBo8uZ1XIAUECtO?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

great, black screen for shakedown

FFS

[wwbroe]

Working fine over here

[EstWRC]

Not the best donut for Tänak, braked way too late

E: Fourmaux stalled at the donut place

[wwbroe]

Very good time for Sordo

[skarderud]

Solberg driving with the newest car/chassis(#51).Has Hyundai built 51 chassies for WRC 17-21?

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[wwbroe]

Gus on second run only 0,1 from Ogier's first run

[wwbroe]

Neuville fast on second run

[EstWRC]

Camilli fastest in R5 class on first run

[EstWRC]

Only shakedown and first runs but Suninen way faster on both runs than Huttunen

[wwbroe]

None of the Toyota's has done second run

[mknight]

Surprised by Fiestas so far, was expecting the exact opposite given that it's Fourmaux's best surface.

Imo this shakedown is like most representative of the performance that can be expected in the rally for the whole season. (no road order issues, almost absent road development (just a bit more rubber)). The only thing ruining it is the donut.

[wwbroe]

Ogier fastest trough second run sofar

[wwbroe]

Evans slower than Neuville

[wwbroe]

Kalle not doing great times, still some trouble with his back?

[EstWRC]

Gus showing very good times so far

[wwbroe]

Gus showing very good times so far

That is true, Fourmeaux now 0,1 faster tough.

[EstWRC]

Ogier fastest on every run so far

Hyundais yet to do their third runs

[EstWRC]

Neuville and Tänak did also 4th run but still no answer to Ogier and Evans

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/68118-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2021/

[denkimi]

Has Hyundai built 51 chassies for WRC 17-21?

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31
https://www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo/66-hyundai-i20-coupe-wrc/?car=5728

[fredfush]

Actually it's 30, there is no 13.

[Eli]

I know it's been talked about before here in this forum but I just couldn't find it, what are those black caps on the Yaris's wheel rims, they didn't used to have them until Monza last year, now have them on each (Tarmac)rally, why?

[!ADi!]

I know it's been talked about before here in this forum but I just couldn't find it, what are those black caps on the Yaris's wheel rims, they didn't used to have them until Monza last year, now have them on each (Tarmac)rally, why?

Aero benefits. Additional added value - clean nuts.

[SubaruNorway]

Wasn't much to see anyway, it's probably the least interesting section of the whole rally, I didn't even bother to have a look at it in 18

[TypeR]

31
https://www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo/66-hyundai-i20-coupe-wrc/?car=5728

my bad, automatically wrote license plate nr..
chassis nr 31 ofc.

[er88]

Impressive from Ogier - every run!

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chM7uwqtV-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwKWWDW6Uqs

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7q9_3ceuH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lQbdyJ3qxM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcf-GXeWZR4

[drive]

I've seen in service park a nice bunch of historic rally cars. How to find out where and when they would race?

[polomayu]

Last years they run between loops on saturday and sunday, no chrono, only exhibition.
This year I don't know if they will run laso between loops on friday as it will be tarmac.

[drive]

Last years they run between loops on saturday and sunday, no chrono, only exhibition.
This year I don't know if they will run laso between loops on friday as it will be tarmac.
Thank you very much! Still how to find out more information about plans for this year?

[polomayu]

What do you mean with plans?

If it is useful for you, here appears some of the historic cars

https://www.rallyracc.com/2021/ca/noticia_2420.html

[drive]

What do you mean with plans?

If it is useful for you, here appears some of the historic cars

https://www.rallyracc.com/2021/ca/noticia_2420.html

Thanks again, but would they run between stages 1-4 and 2-5 and 3 6 or just one of them... strange that there is so little information, as like us who are visitors who dont know local rules keeps amused... we'd love to watch them but where to get them for sure? After ss1, ss2...

[polomayu]

After first loop of saturday and sunday stages, in every stage, at least it was last years.

[EstWRC]

Good morning and happy birthday Ott Tänak https://www.instagram.com/p/CVCTFItIFSN/?utm_medium=copy_link

Couple of hours left until the day starts. I hope Ogier doesn’t run too far away from the others today.

[meh]

I hope Ogier doesn’t run too far away from the others today.

In case he want to get his title with this rally, I hope he do. With the statement "I'm the king and I TAKE IT". Not being gifted by others doing mistakes.

Remember Tänak in 2019 in PowerStage, this "I TAKE IT" statement with huge time from the powerstage gave the extra feeling, not just nursing to another one (which of course, may be the smarter way :) )

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys. Hope it will be exciting, so hopefully Ogier will not have masterclass in Spain.

[Rallyper]

Morning guys. Pickems closing in three minutes...

[Rally Hokkaido]

Good afternoon from Japan. As always, hoping for a nice fight at the front, which I think will be between Evans and Neuville today.

[TypeR]

Spli2 Evans 4.5s faster :O

[EstWRC]

Evans going again at it, 4.5 secs up in spl2

[Rallyper]

Evans faster than Ogier.

[wwbroe]

Very good pace by Elfyn once more

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBuIzeZXsAEcUbu?format=jpg&name=small

[Augury]

Massive time from Evans. The fight is on.

[meh]

Anyone have splits available from somewhere? Can not see them even from "Maps" solution.

edit: reload helped.

[Tauri_J]

Crazy time, 100% sure noone beats it.

[EstWRC]

thats hell of a time, nobody even close

nailed the set-up again?

[Rally Hokkaido]

Love WRC+ driver name abbreviations...Solberg = SOL and Solans = SOL (you had one job to do....!)

[meh]

Everyone expected "fast rally and small caps", but after 1st stage it's already kind of after (ok, it's overstatement) entire Rally Finland :)

[Essaj]

Taka off

[meh]

Taka did it again.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Taka understeered into the armco

[EstWRC]

Gus with mega slow splits also

Sordo already +5 in spl1

that Evans time man, unbelievable, one of his best stages IMO

[Rally Hokkaido]

He is limping to the stage end. He was way too fast for that corner.

[Rallyper]

Love WRC+ driver name abbreviations...Solberg = SOL and Solans = SOL (you had one job to do....!)

Should be NSO for Solans.

[mknight]

Well Hyundai was working since 2018 on the understreering on this kind of surface...first stage and Neuville and Tanak complain about understreering.

[Sulland]

I Just hope that Oliver will use his head and get to see the checkered flag. He is here to learn!

[EstWRC]

lol Sordo angry at others cutting, sayin the first part is very dirty

[mknight]

I Just hope that Oliver will use his head and get to see the checkered flag. He is here to learn!

They should just forbid him from watching times, but the reporters at the end will likely tell him anyway.

[Augury]

Good splits from Solans.

[wwbroe]

Very good splits for Ostberg

[EstWRC]

Mads is showing similar dominance in WRC2 at the moment

Suninen only close, +0.9 in spl1

[Mirek]

Mads is showing similar dominance in WRC2 at the moment

I expect all DS3 R5 to be strong here.

[AnttiL]

I expect all DS3 R5 to be strong here.

What about C3? ;)

[EstWRC]

Suninen whopping 18 secs faster than Huttunen who has tested this car a lot and knows it in and out

[Mirek]

What about C3? ;)

Ups :D

Of course I meant the C3 :)

[wwbroe]

Good time for Camilli

[meh]

Suninen whopping 18 secs faster than Huttunen who has tested this car a lot and knows it in and out

Does not seems like trouble-free run for Huttunen, losing even for Linnamäe.

[wwbroe]

Pepe Lopes fastest Skoda on splits

[EstWRC]

Does not seems like trouble-free run for Huttunen, losing even for Linnamäe.

maybe but that trend was already yesterday at shakedown where he lost 1sec/km to Suninen on first two runs and on his fastest run was 0.5sec/km and showed similar pace with Linnamäe

[Jeppe]

maybe but that trend was already yesterday at shakedown where he lost 1sec/km to Suninen on first two runs and on his fastest run was 0.5sec/km and showed similar pace with Linnamäe

He also said in Finnish TV interview that this won´t be easy task because he didn´t test the car at all before SD..

[wwbroe]

Lopez indeed fastest man in Skoda

[EstWRC]

He also said in Finnish TV interview that this won´t be easy task because he didn´t test the car at all before SD..

well, we will see then if it goes better but not a excuse for me..he has tested it a lot and also did development testing.

Suninen had a day test on Monday and is driving the car first time

[polomayu]

Sunninen had a full day of testing, it ended when the police said it was time, sunninen still wanted to do some more runs.

[mknight]

The Rally2 times look mostly normal now except for Gryazin and Huttunen.

[mknight]

Uhh and this Reeta Hamalinen, she is good. Much better than when Lindholm was driving ;))))

[Danny0405]

It becomes to be quite a lot for Katsuta: yes, two events where he was unlucky (Estonia + Greece) but 3 mistakes also in the last 5 rallies.
I would have serious doubts in Toyota’s situation. Personally, I would even give the 4th car to Lappi in Monte Carlo (and maybe even Monza) so that he can have some time in the car before his first manufacturer event in Sweden. It would be more useful for the team than putting a driver which is not good on tarmac.
For the rest, huge stage by Evans, good time for Solans also for a first outing.

In WRC-3, it will clearly not be easy for Kajto.

[wwbroe]

Uhh and this Reeta Hamalinen, she is good. Much better than when Lindholm was driving ;))))

I suppose in reality it is not really her at the steering wheel.:D Massive time tough, less then a second behind Ostberg.

[meh]

Lopez indeed fastest man in Skoda

"Corrected" by Lindholm (was only 0.7 sec from Ostberg's stage winning time)

[Rallyper]

Lindholm really have been picked up speed during this season. Many rallies driven. Let´s hope he´ll gets paid for this... (WRC2 next year)

[EstWRC]

Neuville fastets in spl1 by 0.6

[Essaj]

Ott really slow first split +13.5

[meh]

Tänak 13sec down in 1st split already...

[EstWRC]

Ott really slow first split +13.5

his GPS moved weirdly in the beginning, seemed like had a spin or smth

[TypeR]

Tänak +13 in split, but yea.. don't show live picture..

[Hartusvuori]

well, we will see then if it goes better but not a excuse for me..he has tested it a lot and also did development testing.

Suninen had a day test on Monday and is driving the car first time


In an interview after Sardegna, Huttunen said he had tested the new car for three days. So hardly a lot of development testing. For sure, he has more time in the car than Suninen, but still the preparations are not good. I'd also question that the cars would be fully identical. Different teams, at least.

But still, a lousy stage for Jari, that's true.

[Mirek]

Neuville very critical about the car behavior at the stage end.

EDIT: Now Kalle commenting about basically the same behavior but addressing that to the tyres.

[EstWRC]

horrible stage from Ott again, even if you take that 13.4with spin from his time its still the slowest

[Mirek]

horrible stage from Ott again, even if you take that 13.4with spin from his time its still the slowest

He said he spun in the first corner and battled understeering becoming oversteering. Same what Neuville said.

[TypeR]

always same problem for Hyundai on tarmac..
How they can't fix it is the question..

E: once again windscreen fogging up in i20 :D

[Mirek]

Solans has completely foggy windscreen.

[meh]

Solans has completely foggy windscreen.

They got some Tänak's old car? :)

[spyros]

Oliver very slow or he told to finish.

[RS]

Some later Rally2 crews had a good run on SS1. Road rubbering in or less debris as earlier Rally2 crews don't cut as much as Rally1?

[EstWRC]

much better stage from Huttunen this time, 2 secs down in spl2 from Suninen

[wwbroe]

Gryazin fastest sofar, but Camilli fast on splits

[Rallyper]

Oliver very slow or he told to finish.

Told to finish would be my guess... ;)

[wwbroe]

Camilli now fastest R5

[Rallyper]

Who by Adamo or daddy?

What do you think?

[AnttiL]

Camilli now fastest R5

Lindholm still running

[wwbroe]

But slower

[denkimi]

Katsuta finished 6th in Croatia which was on tarmac so he can do it if required.
Yes, behind fourmaux who did his first rally in a wrc car. Not exactly something to brag about.

If it wasn't for his japanese passport, he wouldn't even be in that car.

[TypeR]

Retiring was near for Tänak..

https://mobile.twitter.com/JosuaGK/status/1448942003060871179

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great morning by Evans making sure Ogier knows he's taking the fight all the way.

[RS]

Cais going pretty well in the Fiesta Rally2 which seems to be decent on asphalt

[Mirek]

Cais going pretty well in the Fiesta Rally2 which seems to be decent on asphalt

Hard to judge the car when he's alone on most of the events.

[meh]

Retiring was near for Tänak..

https://mobile.twitter.com/JosuaGK/status/1448942003060871179

Tänak confirming at the end of SS3 - better than last stage, happy to be here

[EstWRC]

Nice stage Ott

Great morning from Evans and Neuville

Hoped more from Ogier, a little disappointing

[Rallyper]

It went "SLN" for Solans... :)

[Rally Hokkaido]

Half spin for Nil

[Rally Hokkaido]

It went "SLN" for Solans... :)

Even Julian was complaining about the confusing SOL and SOL

[Rally Hokkaido]

Speaking of Solan, has anyone noticed how much he uses the handbrake - I presume to balance the car mid-corner? Is this his solution for an understeering Hyundai?

[Mirek]

Speaking of Solan, has anyone noticed how much he uses the handbrake - I presume to balance the car mid-corner? Is this his solution for an understeering Hyundai?

Neuville said after SS1 he needed to do that as well.

[Mirek]

Huttunen now complained his engine lacked torque.

[EstWRC]

Haha Mads having Michelin logo on his suit underwear and said to Becs to cover it up with her microphone in the media zone

[TypeR]

nice live once again, Ogier soon at the end of the stage

[dimviii]

All drivers have gone for five hard compound Pirelli P Zero tyres, apart from Solberg and Sordo who have taken six.

[dimviii]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/71c0fb93efc1c7fe7ce5ac9cf2ca94b4.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/ee0c0c9d5e355645af9b5ca488121ca0.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/359796cd696af5c2617cf28f143c52bc.jpg

[Tom K]

WTF is going on with All live, recently?

[EstWRC]

they havent even said a word that there isnt picture....

[EstWRC]

Thierry fastest in second split by 0.2

[Essaj]

Ott stopped :o

[Mirek]

Tänak reported to be stopped.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak stopped !?

[EstWRC]

Tänak stopped

[Rallyper]

they havent even said a word that there isnt picture....

Oh, yes they said,,,

[rp]

They would not need a plane at all, if just talking all the time. Must be some problems...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak crashed.

[Rallyper]

Tanak off... and no live pics... :( :(

[EstWRC]

Tänak off the road, what a great birthday day!

[Mirek]

Sordo just passed Tänak's car on all live.

[EstWRC]

was on the road and Martins side look all okay so it seems he has some damage to his side and cant continue

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBvkWaKWQAcGUDd?format=jpg&name=large

[meh]

Really weird position for Tänak's car, can not see any dragging lines leading car there... feels like it's parked there, but for that also is seems not logical at all.

[EstWRC]

Really weird position for Tänak's car, can not see any dragging lines leading car there... feels like it's parked there, but for that also is seems not logical at all.

interesting was that Martin had put warning sign just before the cut, so Sordo couldnt cut here, i wonder if there was something

[dimviii]

Κatsuta ss 1
https://twitter.com/RallysupportNL/status/1448929139537350662

[wwbroe]

Strong time by Ostberg, taking over the lead from Camilli

[Jewy46]

Anyone else hear what Solberg's co-driver Craig Drew said at the end of the stage? :D Funny one if I heard correct

[RS]

Strong time by Ostberg, taking over the lead from Camilli

With 'no power and brakes stuck on'.. good drive but still the usual complaints.

[dimviii]

Huttunen very slow.Any reason?

[Mirek]

Huttunen very slow.Any reason?

He said they have had engine issues all day.

[Mirek]

Huge moment for Evans. Hopefully without damage...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Careful Elfyn !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier 10s slower on this stage than this morning.

[dimviii]

Neuville with very fast split

[meh]

Neuville will be best friend for Ogier that way ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville leads ! Great stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville with very fast split

On dirty sections that he and the Hyundai can handle better.

[meh]

Ostberg stopped. Congrats Mikkelsen?

edit: Ostberg moving again, not too far before Bulacia

[Mirek]

Wheel change for Ostberg.

[AnttiL]

Great stage from Neuville, exciting fight between those two

[dimviii]

Solans
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1449030517840621568

[Mirek]

Tänak said he hit a tree stump.

Linnamäe was also stopped.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBwEgpMXEAo19kr?format=jpg&name=large

[Danny0405]

Ostberg stopped. Congrats Mikkelsen?

Still a lot of road to do but if it stays like this, Mikkelsen will clinch the title on Sunday, whatever are the results of the Power Stage

[dimviii]

Wheel change for Ostberg.

karma is a bitch

"What happened?"
"I got a Puncture"
"Where did that happened?"
"In the stage"
"Did you hit something?"
"I hit the road"

[jonkka]

Tänak said he hit a tree stump.

So he hit it, limped a little ways before stopping? That's why there aren't marks on the spot his i20 is parked?

[dimviii]

Lindholm now 2,7 from Camilli.Amazing pace from him.

[flat_right]

Anyone else hear what Solberg's co-driver Craig Drew said at the end of the stage? :D Funny one if I heard correct

What was it? All live is also mentioning it but I didn’t watch that stage sadly 😁

[er88]

Great fight, was worried after the first few stages Evans might pull out a proper gap. Should be tasty tomorrow, he HAS to win for the extra pts but Neuville has nothing to lose.

Awful season for Tanak.

[dimviii]

What was it? All live is also mentioning it but I didn’t watch that stage sadly ��

co driver had a hit in his bollock

[doubled1978]

Anyone else hear what Solberg's co-driver Craig Drew said at the end of the stage? :D Funny one if I heard correct

Something about his right bollock hurting if I heard right! Ha ha

[Danny0405]

Good fight between Neuville and Evans.
Ogier not in the fight but with his 24-point championship lead, not a bad situation as Sordo seems a little short to compete with him in steady mode. The fight between Neuville and Evans may push one of them to crash who would benefit to Ogier whatever it is and anyway, he could keep a 10+ points gap with Evans if he makes the job in the Power Stage.
Not bad from Fourmaux also but not a surprise against Greensmith on tarmac.

In WRC-2, good times by Camilli and Cais.
When we see what he can do on his entries, Camilli can clearly regret how much he messed up in 2016.
If it stays like this, Mikkelsen would clinch the title by Sunday but still a long road to do with drivers such as Camilli and Cais.

In WRC-3, I don’t understand how Lindholm can compete as it is his 8th event (Gryazin was in the same situation in WRC2 but withdrew from the category apparently). Still good times from him and Kajto has to fight with Lopez also.

In JWRC, Pajari tries to push in the afternoon but not sure he will be able to come back on Armstrong who can be more conservative. Let’s see tomorrow what happen.

[mknight]

Lindholm " isn't the driver" Reeta is .

[AnttiL]

Lindholm " isn't the driver" Reeta is .

This. They entered with Reeta as driver so they can start in WRC3 and not behind the JWRC’s.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chassis damage - Tanak is out.

[dimviii]

lol
https://twitter.com/samipajari/status/1449056703685795847

[EstWRC]

Tänak crash https://youtu.be/z4Y1aWhOeh4

How little is needed

[doubled1978]

Tänak crash https://youtu.be/z4Y1aWhOeh4

How little is needed

Just don’t expect that from him these days, and the big spin on SS2 could have ended the same. One of those days I guess…

[AnttiL]

Trying too hard when the car doesn’t feel 100% right.

[EstWRC]

This also stops his series of getting stage win every rally this season.

[Mirek]

lol
https://twitter.com/samipajari/status/1449056703685795847

Funny but also pretty idiotic. Someone could easily crash into them.

[Danny0405]

This. They entered with Reeta as driver so they can start in WRC3 and not behind the JWRC’s.

Ok but I don’t really understand how they could score points with Lindholm driving really instead of the official driver registered (or maybe the rule makes it possible for them to compete but not to score points, I admit I’m not familiar with this kind of tricks?)
I would prefer Rossel to win the championship (as he is young so it would give him a push as he has small budget) but I find it quite strange as it has a potential major impact on the championship.

[AnttiL]

Ok but I don’t really understand how they could score points with Lindholm driving really instead of the official driver registered (or maybe the rule makes it possible for them to compete but not to score points, I admit I’m not familiar with this kind of tricks?)
I would prefer Rossel to win the championship (as he is young so it would give him a push as he has small budget) but I find it quite strange as it has a potential major impact on the championship.

Whatever points Lindholm gets this weekend will be scored for Hämäläinen. It’s just about driving, getting experience and showing pace.

[Tom K]

In WRC 3 the biggest impact have some FIA's games... Due to date of Rosel's hearing and discussion about his DSQ in Greece, Kajetanowicz really doesn't know what he should do in Spain...

[Jarek Z]

In WRC 3 the biggest impact have some FIA's games... Due to date of Rosel's hearing and discussion about his DSQ in Greece, Kajetanowicz really doesn't know what he should do in Spain...

Moreover, Kajetan said that he heard that the final decision about Rossel will be made in November, after Monza and the whole season ends. Ridiculous, isn't it?

[Jarek Z]

Lindholm now 2,7 from Camilli.Amazing pace from him.

Yeah, I don't know what happened to him. He wasn't so fast in the previous events. Maybe it's really Reeta who is driving? :D

[Danny0405]

Meh...
Even if he is not scoring points, I think it is not normal Lindholm can drive as a WRC3-entry in this round as it has an impact on the championship. And I think it is quite ridiculous to be able to make an entry as a driver ... not to drive the car.
Rossel’s exclusion in Greece and his appeal is certainly an uncertainty but, at the moment, he has 0 point from Greece: and as far as this is the incumbent decision, the call is tight between Rossel and Kajto so all points are counting and both drivers know it, there is no question about what they should do, they have to take the best possible result (all the more than Kajto cannot clinch the championship this weekend even with a 30-point rallye and needs 23 points to equal Rossel so at least 2nd overall + power stage win)

[Tom K]

Of course it does matter. You should look how tight is the battle and what are the rules in WRC 3. For final standings you take 5 best out of 7 outings. So basically you can forget how the standings are looking now. Probably number of wins will decide but...

For now: Rossel : Kajto is 3:3. Kajto has 2 starts (Spain and Monza) and for now he can be a champion without winning any of these rallies.

But it FIA gives Rossel win in Acropolis the ratio would be 4:2 for him. And Kajetanowicz should win Spain and Monza. But he will know it... after one or even two these rallies:)

You know now, why its so ridiculous? Let's imagine Ogier or Evans has for example 15 suspended points...

Crazy!

[Danny0405]

Of course it does matter. You should look how tight is the battle and what are the rules in WRC 3. For final standings you take 5 best out of 7 outings. So basically you can forget how the standings are looking now. Probably number of wins will decide but...

For now: Rossel : Kajto is 3:3. Kajto has 2 starts (Spain and Monza) and for now he can be a champion without winning any of these rallies.

But it FIA gives Rossel win in Acropolis the ratio would be 4:2 for him. And Kajetanowicz should win Spain and Monza. But he will know it... after one or even two these rallies:)

You know now, why its so ridiculous? Let's imagine Ogier or Evans has for example 15 suspended points...

Crazy!

Yeah I understand what you say and that the situation is uncomfortable and I know about the ratio and the classification.
But at the moment, my point was on Lindholm’s presence. His presence has a lot of impact on the championship if he wins because it takes some points + if Lindholm is superior to the others, Kajto may not take the same risk than if he was fighting for the lead. Whereas in my opinion, they shouldn’t be authorized to fight for WRC3 points, either him or his co-driver. I don’t have a problem with them running this rally; my issue is that they are running for championship points. And the risk is that they do the same in Monza which can also influence the championship because of the improvement margin being different between Rossel and Kajto.

For Kajto, I think he has enough experience to know that he must do the best results possible in the two rallies with this administrative thing pending all the more than he is far from being sure of beating Rossel in Monza (as far as I know, Rossel will be in Monza). All the more than being 2nd here + 2nd in Power Stage is not enough to take the lead in the Championship on Sunday and he wouldn’t have a huge improvement margin for Monza.

Anyway, personally, I hope that whoever it is, we will have a clear champion as soon as Monza with no potential influence of the appeal.

[Steve Boyd]

Under FIA rules both members of the crew are drivers and have to have FIA driver licences so that either can drive on any section. This is an old rule from the days when rallies were almost all endurance events and the two (or three) crew members had to share the driving. A lot of the regulations refer to the "1st named driver" to distinguish from the other driver(s) in the car - hence the term "co-driver" not "navigator" on international events.

If Hämäläinen/Lindholm are scoring points then they must have paid the €3000 registration fee for Reeta as a championship driver in addition to the fee paid already for Sebastian. The option is open for anyone to do it - they just needed to be smart enough to spot the opportunity and be willing to spend the money.

[dimviii]

Good morning guys

All crews have chosen to take five hard compound Pirelli P Zero tyres for this morning's loop.

[AnttiL]

Yesterday it was all smooth wide Catalunyan roads...now there will be narrower sections and surface changes. SS7 has slightly broken tarmac and chipseal, while SS8 throws in a Croatia-style very narrow and abrasive concrete section, then abrasive fast tarmac, and finally hairpins on concrete. And then SS9 is like SS1's twin brother but even faster!

[Rallyper]

Morning everyone.

[Rallyper]

So Tanak not restarting. Did he just loose interest?

[AnttiL]

So Tanak not restarting. Did he just loose interest?

Car too badly damaged

[jonkka]

Oh my, WRC.com commentary is so priceless:


Not a bad effort at all from Gus - second fastest so far

When he was fourth driver to finish and two others were Solberg and Solans so how hard it is to be second fastest?

[AnttiL]

Good time from Solans here

[Got Mail]

Currently raining on SS9.

[dimviii]

Neuville on fire

[TypeR]

Fourmaux showing great pace!

[Rallyper]

"Big top three"? I´d say big top four...

[TypeR]

that slow crap Fiesta..

beating Sordo, Rovanperä, Ogier, Evans.. :D

Neuville stage win, Fourmaux 2nd

[Sulland]

So Tanak not restarting. Did he just loose interest?


Car too badly damaged

Yes and yes ;)

[er88]

Brilliant time from Fourmaux. Neuville really in the zone, Evans has to find another gear quickly or he will get left behind. He has to win

[AnttiL]

that slow crap Fiesta..

beating Sordo, Rovanperä, Ogier, Evans.. :D

Neuville stage win, Fourmaux 2nd

On tarmac, especially slower sections, they are closer to the other cars. Fourmaux had a better road position. And he's a very good tarmac driver. You can compare him to Greensmith with same car and similar road position. Or the Hyundai 2C guys with better road position!

[TypeR]

still.. Rovanperä and Sordo started just after him and got beaten.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And no development for 6 months and no driver PET's...

[Rallyper]

Puncture RL for GG. Lost one minute +

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another good run by Fourmaux.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle been grass-cutting !

Had a HUGE moment he says.

[Sulland]

Brilliant time from Fourmaux. Neuville really in the zone, Evans has to find another gear quickly or he will get left behind. He has to win

Are there any reports on setup changes for Evans?

[dimviii]

Kalle been grass-cutting !

Had a HUGE moment he says.


https://www.wrc.com/?proxy=redaktion/Season-2021-NEWS/WRC/October/Spain/kalle-grass.png

[dimviii]

Sesks

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBzygmQWQAMAepO?format=jpg&name=small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier nowhere near the dominance he expected on the tarmac here in Spain. He'll be shocked at his lack of pace.

[denkimi]

Sordo only 0,2s behind ogier now.

[er88]

Are there any reports on setup changes for Evans?Not sure if they tweaked things from yesterday, but Evans saying they need to make changes at service. Too much rotation in the car, can't carry the line and get on the power early enough

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Teemu !!

[Sulland]

Ogier nowhere near the dominance he expected on the tarmac here in Spain. He'll be shocked at his lack of pace.

Mentally I think he is close to retirement. Head not there anymore.