[ERC] Rally Poland 2021

[Jarek Z]

Rally Poland is going to be the first round of 2021 European Rally Championship. This year's event marks the 100th anniversary of the first edition of this rally. This first rally began in Warsaw. As a tribute to the past, exactly after 100 years, the most important event in Polish motorsport will start in Mikolajki, but finish in Warsaw. After covering 12 special stages in Masurian Lakes District, competitors will tackle the famous stage at Karowa street in the the capital of Poland.

Important information:

Surface: gravel
SS Distance: 202,76 km
Total Distance: 871,36 km
Total number of Special Stages:14 (8 different SS)

Closing date for entries: June 3
Publication of Rally Guide: June 4
Publication of entry list: June 8

Start of Leg 1: Friday, 18th June, 19:00
Start of Leg 2: Sunday, 20th June, 7:50 AM
Ceremonial Finish: Sunday, 20th June, 19:00, Warsaw

Official website:
http://www.rallypoland.pl

Documents and forms:
http://www.rajdpolski.pl/en/2021/documents-and-forms

http://www.rajdpolski.pl/pliki/styles/medium/public/art/2021/77rpnews_1.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Possible entries:
Alex Lukyanuk - Citroen C3 Rally2
Miko Marczyk - Skoda Fabia Rally2
Wojciech Chuchała - Skoda Fabia Rally2
Kacper Wróblewski - Skoda Fabia Rally2
Callum Devine - Ford Fiesta Rally2
Jarosław Szeja - Hyundai i20 R5
... and many more :)

[wwbroe]

Gregoire Munster will also be in Poland

[Jarek Z]

The organizers of Rally Poland have informed that this year's event will take place without spectators.
Official information:
http://www.rajdpolski.pl/en/2021/rally-without-spectators-zones

[Tom206wrc]

What about Yoann Bonato :confused:

Anyway, entrylist tomorrow tuesday ;)

[PLuto]

What about Yoann Bonato :confused:

Anyway, entrylist tomorrow tuesday ;)

https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-star-bonato-launches-tree-planting-initiative/

[PLuto]

Press conference LIVE, also entry list should be revealed there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb4wBv1RMDM

[PLuto]

102 crews in total, 44x R5, 72 registered competitors to ERC, 76 crews in international field

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait to see this entrylist in detail ;)

[mknight]

It's in the vid, Lukyanuk, Mikkelsen, Breen, Gryazin, Bonato...

[Jarek Z]

First names from the entry list:
Alex Lukyanuk
Roland Poom
Andreas Mikkelsen
Emilio Fernandez
Craig Breen
Simone Campedelli
Efren Llarena
Nil Solans
Nikolai Gryazin
Gregoire Munster
Miko Marczyk
Erik Cais
Yoann Bonato
Fabian Kreim
Norbert Herczig
Simone Tempestini
Umberto Scandola

[Tom206wrc]

I was talking about the full entrylist of course ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

First part

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Wx5IOXMAUoOKv?format=jpg&name=large

[mknight]

Didn't know the MRF program was also going to happen this year. Always kinda bad when you are comparing drivers on different tires, but better than less cars.

[PLuto]

Didn't know the MRF program was also going to happen this year. Always kinda bad when you are comparing drivers on different tires, but better than less cars.

For me it is advantage to have more tyre brands in the championship. It brings more variability.

[mknight]

For me it is advantage to have more tyre brands in the championship. It brings more variability.

We had the common problem already with DMACK in 2017 in WRC.

When the driver(s) on very different tires are much faster is it because the tires are much better or because the drivers are?
Similarly when they struggle is it due to tires or drivers?

Impossible to tell and you can never be really sure either way.

[PLuto]

We had the common problem already with DMACK in 2017 in WRC.

When the driver(s) on very different tires are much faster is it because the tires are much better or because the drivers are?
Similarly when they struggle is it due to tires or drivers?

Impossible to tell and you can never be really sure either way.

For me this is no problem.

[Jarek Z]

Same here. I don't consider it a problem. I would even say it adds spice to the competition.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nabila Tejpar@NabilaRally

I`ll be contesting the @FIAERC this season behind the wheel of the impressive @mellorselliot #Proton #Iriz #R5.

With @MERallysport in the co-driver's seat - I`ll be kicking the year off with @rajdpolski on 18 - 20 June!

[Jarek Z]

Entry list can be found here:
https://storage.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/aa5e7ac8-f086-442e-9e5d-743b06d87589%2F7bc0377f-4c77-44f5-b58f-ba89d15d4df5_ERC%20Entry%20List%20-%2077RP.pdf?generation=1623154102882698&alt=media

[RS]

For me it is advantage to have more tyre brands in the championship. It brings more variability.

And let's face it, without MRF we probably have no Breen or Campedelli.

I hope that when RB take over ERC they continue to allow multiple tyre brands.

[Mirek]

We had the common problem already with DMACK in 2017 in WRC.

When the driver(s) on very different tires are much faster is it because the tires are much better or because the drivers are?
Similarly when they struggle is it due to tires or drivers?

Impossible to tell and you can never be really sure either way.

Those who drove on DMack would likely stay at home without their support. My choice is clear.

By the way why don't you mind them having differend brands of cars?

[PLuto]

Those who drove on DMack would likely stay at home without their support. My choice is clear.

Without DMack I think Ott Tänak will never be a champion...

[dimviii]

Luky is on the entry list,but we didnt read any announcement about this year from him or Sainteloc.
or did i miss something?

[Jarek Z]

Luky is on the entry list,but we didnt read any announcement about this year from him or Sainteloc.
or did i miss something?

I'm afraid you did. I am very disappointed with your behaviour!

https://www.fiaerc.com/why-its-bring-it-on-time-for-lukyanuk-in-erc/

;)

[katxal]

Spanish driver Luis Vilariño forfaits Poland

https://www.laregion.es/articulo/mas-motor/luis-vilarino-perdera-rally-polonia-dar-positivo-coronavirus/202106121701241037616.html

[Jarek Z]

I didn't know that Rally Poland has always been one of Mikkelsen's favourite events. And I forgot that he won it in the past. He seems to be the main favourite now, although you never know what Lukyanuk and Gryazin will come up with :)
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-qa-andreas-mikkelsen/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Callum Devine
Big smiles all around after our pre-Rally Poland test ! It's brilliant to get more mileage in the Ford Fiesta Rally 2 & really dial-in our setup ahead of the event. The roads here are very unique, sandy & really, really fast !

[dupanton]

Lukyanuk crashed his C3 after 25km of testing... Sainteloc is bringing a new car over to start the rally with

[dimviii]

Lukyanuk crashed his C3 after 25km of testing... Sainteloc is bringing a new car over to start the rally with

more about

https://www.fiaerc.com/lukyanuk-on-course-to-start-erc-title-defence-in-poland-following-testing-accident/

[Jarek Z]

First video shots from Rally Poland!
https://inmotorsport.tv/lang.pl/no/movie/218

[mknight]

Both on the above vid and on these pictures ( https://twitter.com/AM89news/status/1405248656761044993 ) Mikkelsen is driving on Michelins.

Note that there are no "tire stickers" on the car (neither Michelin, nor Pirelli). Testing Michelin to help Pirelli development? (for only this test or whole rally?)

[Jarek Z]

Photos from the test session. We have a beautiful sunny weather in Poland now:
https://pl.motorsport.com/erc/photos/?filters%5Bevent%5D%5B0%5D=270537

[RS]

Longer video of the test:

https://youtu.be/2Tj7jrkmaPo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FP times:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/68541-orlen-rajd-polski-rally-poland-2021/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

QS LIVE:

https://youtu.be/UmHmyVg-8lw

[mknight]

Digging on shakedown:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4KiM5BXoAUDzIO?format=jpg&name=medium

[mknight]

Seems like Gryazin did even more digging.... breaking the radiator.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sainteloc replace Lukyanuk's car after test crash:

https://youtu.be/KJprxR9wBBo

[Lead]

First 15 crews will choose their starting positions for first day or all rally?

[dimviii]

Seems like Gryazin did even more digging.... breaking the radiator.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4KkEivXwAUHBUv?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[mknight]

I guess than when drivers don't finish within top 15 they then start afterwards after their priority/seeding.

So Poom will start 16 and Breen 17 with Gryazin prbly 18 or something (didn't study in detail).

That then raises the question whether there is any point for top drivers to push and risk damaging the car (like Gryazin) instead of just cruising.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/aaZ2XgovAqg

[dimviii]

organization spread water on road?

(3 - Mikkelsen Andreas / Fløene Ola): It was fine. It was wet but we had no information, we would make different tyre choice.
(2 - Poom Roland / Garrod Darren): Super, it was slippery, I was surprised with the water on the road.
(1 - Lukyanuk Alexey / Arnautov Alexey): Nobody told us there would b water in the stage. It's very nice.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good to see Malcolm Wilson here supporting M-Sport Poland and to see all the Fiesta's running & especially the new Rally3 car.

Starts 40mins in: https://youtu.be/7crP3uEncWw

[EstWRC]

this isnt normal anymore, 6 pages os spam posts!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Monty_Python_Live_02-07-14_13_04_42_%2814598710791%29.jpg/220px-Monty_Python_Live_02-07-14_13_04_42_%2814598710791%29.jpg

[RS]

Several cars with pop-off valve problems in these hot conditions.

Official footage from qualy stage:

https://youtu.be/lFmsCP3c7vs

[focus206]

What's the point of spam bots anyway? Nobody is going to click on random half broken links... what am I missing?

[dimviii]

FIA ERC
@FIAERC
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Simone Campedelli won't be starting today as his Polo's power steering issues could not be fixed ._.

[dimviii]

Gryazin with better road position took 13,3 sec from Luky
Mikkelsen at 17 sec.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68541-orlen-rajd-polski-rally-poland-2021/?s=325696

[RS]

Gryazin with better road position took 13,3 sec from Luky
Mikkelsen at 17 sec.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68541-orlen-rajd-polski-rally-poland-2021/?s=325696

So car failure in qualy actually ended up helping him.

[dimviii]

So car failure in qualy actually ended up helping him.

according to Mikkelsens comment after ss 3 yes.

Mikkelsen Andreas - Fløene Ola
"We had an OK stage, still lot of cleaning, guys behind will have better road, especially Gryazin will be flying."

[bgrallyfan]

Gryazin is out of reach! I hope he holds on to the end. I'm squeezing his thumbs!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Super-impressive times by Jon Armstrong in the Fiesta Rally3 beating many R5 cars and ahead of team-mate Ken Torn by 1 minute !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

'Something happened' to Breen on SS4 and Devine still with a gearbox problem (5th broken). :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gryazin finally through SS4 and wins again. Lead is now 35.9s over Lukyanuk.

E: It was a puncture for Breen.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4PJZl7WYAI3haV?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4PE6rBWEAEUZGI?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4PE6rBXIAYI2Nc?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4PSwZCWUAY4xau?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kreim has retired - electrical issue.

[Sulland]

And with different tyrebrands represented in championships or car classes, it is also an option for some crews to get free tyres. Breen is an example for MRF, and Tanak and others with DMack.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stages are rougher and have more stones on them for the second pass - Gryazin' s late road position may mean he's adversely affected.

[Lead]

The ruts will make it difficult for Gryazin in the afternoon.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport Poland @msportpoland

At the end of the first loop Jon Armstrong ieads #ERCJunior, sitting an impressive 24th overall and 1.39s per km quicker than the fastest Rally2-Kit !

[Sulland]

Issues for Gryazin?

[Lead]

Issues for Gryazin?

Nope, fastest again.

[RS]

Great heli footage live from SS7.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gryazin now through SS6 and just 0.1s off Lukys time !

[RS]

I don't like having Gryazin this far out of place in the running order. Perhaps only top 15/20 crews should compete in qualifying?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lukyanuk looks spectacular, giving it everything.

[Lead]

Breen missing.

[TypeR]

Breen missing.

suspension broken

[dimviii]

Breen missing.

retired (5 - Breen Craig / Nagle Paul): broken suspension in SS 7

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gryazin lost time too - now 10s behind Lukyanuk o/a !

[dimviii]

FIA ERC
@FIAERC

It's a double puncture for Gryazin... No spare left ._.
#SS7 #RallyPoland #FIAERC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4QrHTYX0AYRDJ_?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4QrHriWUAQwQxb?format=jpg&name=medium
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4QrHTYX0AYRDJ_?format=jpg&name=medium

[Sulland]

What is the issue for Ken Torn? He has been struggeling for most of the day.

[cosmin_sb]

it seem it will be abandon for Gryazin

[dimviii]

FIA ERC
@FIAERC
·
6m
Nikolay Gryazin is just 10.6' behind Alexey Lukyanuk after SS7, question is: will he be able to make it to stage 8?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like the rougher roads on the second pass cost Gryazin in the end.

[SubaruNorway]

Seeing some of the clips it was just a matter of time before something happened

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gryazin says his day ended after SS7 but will return tomorrow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://rallypl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/79629.jpg

[dimviii]

Gryazin started the 40th and he had a different road. There was a very loose gravel and even we, being the 15th, swept the trajectories somewhere. I always want to go wider, go into corners from the outside and go out wider, but guys roll over the rut almost in the center. It was not convenient at all to ride on it. At the second pass it was better, because this rut has already been widened, there was more grip.

http://alexeylukyanuk.com/en/news/ralli-polshi-2021-my-poluchali-udovolstvie-ot-kazhdogo-spetsuchastka.html

[TypeR]

What is the issue for Ken Torn? He has been struggeling for most of the day.
Had problems with car stalling many times, managed to change the ECU. on SS7 was blocked by other car and got notional time.. all in all very happy with the new rally3 car

[htr]

Some news?

https://www.rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-rajdowe-mistrzostwa-polski/polski/news-wypadek-na-rajdzie-polski-sa-ranni,nId,5307156#crp_state=1

[MartijnS]

Two people were injured in an accident on the route of the Rally Poland. The incident took place in a special stage of Wieliczka.

According to the police, in the special stage of Wieliczka near Nowy Młyn, the rally car went off the track and hit two people watching the race.

From the preliminary findings, the Hungarian crew fell out of the way on a straight stretch and hit two people watching the rally: a woman and a man. The woman was taken to the hospital in Suwałki and the man to the hospital in Ełk - informed the asp. Rafał Jackowski from the Olsztyn police.

The special stage of Wieliczka has been canceled. Under the supervision of the prosecutor's office, the police are explaining the circumstances of the accident.

[RS]

Some nice full stage onboards available on the ERC Youtube channel already, hope this kind of stuff doesn’t end when Red Bull take over.

https://www.youtube.com/user/FIAERC/videos

[RS]

Sorry for Gryazin and the rally that he had his problems in QS and then the double puncture as he seemed genuinely the fastest here (and no crashes yet)

Andreas says it’s flat out tomorrow so hopefully we have a battle to look forward to.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

nikolay_gryazin

We came here to @rallypoland to show our pace and competitiveness on fast gravel roads as a proper preparation for the coming WRC event in @rallyestonia . After the less than successful QS (resulting in being 39th on the road) to do the performance we did, we are going away from this event with full of confidence as we managed to show exceptional pace against strong opposition.

Looking forward to the next ERC round @lvrally and @officialwrc event @rallyestonia. See you all there !!! And special thanks to @fiaerc for their warm welcome and friendly atmosphere during their events. Feels like being with family again!

[Jarek Z]

Engine problems for Yoann Bonato on the penultimate stage. He doesn't know if he will finish the rally:
"The engine is broken now, it's dead. We will try to finish the rally, but we are not sure."

[Jarek Z]

Mikkelsen wins stages 11, 12 and 13, but it is almost the end of the rally. A short city stage in Warsaw is all that is left now.

[RS]

Mikkelsen wins stages 11, 12 and 13, but it is almost the end of the rally. A short city stage in Warsaw is all that is left now.

When Luky has eased off.. Luky is of course a very fast driver, but his performance (and Ostberg’s in Sardinia) says to me the Citroen is clearly a step ahead of the Fabia now. Although it’s still a pretty solid workhorse Skoda need their new Fabia for the start of 2022. Surprised we haven’t seen any test footage yet.

[Damian Baldi]

Great job of Paulo Soria in his first attempt with the Clio Rally5

[dimviii]

congrats to Luky -Lehus for a well deserved win.
Clearly the fastest crew,made a big difference at day 1,and controlled the gap next day,avoiding the mistake.
Waited more from Mikkelsen,at least more speed.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4VxWgWXoAY-UjX?format=jpg&name=large

[mknight]

Was busy most of the weekend.

Great job by Lukyanuk, SS7 especially, the mid section as also shown on heli was pretty crazy.

Here from that in first pass (jump half car into the grass):
https://youtu.be/IF9pgHXm0Q8?t=570

SS7 mid section starting from around here, sideways out of ruts in same corner:
https://youtu.be/IH6FKae_37o?t=509

Most impressive was how he handled the moments where he was under some pressure (Saturday when Gryazin was miles ahead and Sunday when Mikkelsen was closing up), didn't used to be like that in the past.

Mikkelsen had slow first loop (crashing in it during last two rallies might have something to do with it). After that it was decent, but rarely actually seemed to push (from vids and heli shots that are available), fast but "safe".

I praised Gryazin a lot for Portugal (no moments and no issues apart from clearly technical ones while being as fast as Lappi), but here it's back to his "old" himself. Everyone knows he can be very fast, but everyone also knows he often is too fast and ends in trouble. This rally was again an example of that. Messed up qualifying. Then knocked out both headlights on Saturday morning, afternoon loses window on a hard jump (it seems) and then double puncture. The whole double puncture story seems pretty crazy. He lead by 40s and takes 1 spare for the afternoon loop which will be super-rough in 30++ degrees and where he will run 32+ on the road... then seemingly destroys the tires either due to wrong setup or due to pushing too much. When he came to Finish with double puncture his rear bumper and left rear headlight was also missing (probably from an unrelated incident).

How fast was he actually? Very hard to say, cause starting 23 cars! after winner of the qualifier (and still saying the road is cleaning) means it really was a different rally for him. Check out how on second passes he had same times as on first, while Lukyanuk and co improved with 12-16s.
Anyway the whole starting order mess will surely get noticed as it kind of destroys the whole idea of qualifying stage on these kind of rallies. Will other top drivers try to do something similar on Liepaja on purpose or will FIA change the rules somehow?

Haven't seen much vids of Breen but from stagetimes he must have driven quite well. Got points for 2nd place during Sunday leg at least.



Waited more from Mikkelsen,at least more speed.


"At least"... more speed was the only ting missing. But I get you have to do this, otherwise it won't be you. Mikkelsen is a disappointment of the rally every time he doesn't win by 1 min...

[dimviii]

"At least"... more speed was the only ting missing. But I get you have to do this, otherwise it won't be you. Mikkelsen is a disappointment of the rally every time he doesn't win by 1 min...
so you are satisfied?
i think that even himself is disapointed.
At a rally he had won,he wasnt on pace at all.
Not good when you trying to find a wrc seat.

[RS]

I praised Gryazin a lot for Portugal (no moments and no issues apart from clearly technical ones while being as fast as Lappi), but here it's back to his "old" himself. Everyone knows he can be very fast, but everyone also knows he often is too fast and ends in trouble. This rally was again an example of that. Messed up qualifying. Then knocked out both headlights on Saturday morning, afternoon loses window on a hard jump (it seems) and then double puncture. The whole double puncture story seems pretty crazy. He lead by 40s and takes 1 spare for the afternoon loop which will be super-rough in 30++ degrees and where he will run 32+ on the road... then seemingly destroys the tires either due to wrong setup or due to pushing too much. When he came to Finish with double puncture his rear bumper and left rear headlight was also missing (probably from an unrelated incident).


i think you’re too harsh. He didn’t crash on shakedown, seems radiator got damaged/filled with dirt due to heavily rutted roads (and Polo runs quite low)

I think bits falling off the car were due to punctures/flailing rubber?

You’re right it was hard to judge his speed, but i imagine he will answer that in Liepaja.

[mknight]

so you are satisfied?
i think that even himself is disapointed.
At a rally he had won,he wasnt on pace at all.
Not good when you trying to find a wrc seat.

Best to win and be fastest.
Next best to finish second.
Worst to be fast and crash (after two last rallies).

Here my reaction was mostly to your wording "at least more speed". In Croatia when he had shown speed he was "biggest disappointment of the rally"........Here again you go with "wasn't on pace at all", while from Saturday mid-day the pace was decent. I am quite sure you do this on purpose.

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On a more serious note:
Questions could be now asked to the current level of performance of the Fabia vs Polo on very fast roads.
Already last year Solberg rather drove Polo in Estonia on own(sponsor) money than driving the "Factory" Fabia. Sure he drove Liepaja before so had more experience with it, but if Fabia was better he would surely switch no? Here Mikkelsen said something about it on Sunday after Finish and Solans was also quite unhappy whole Saturday. The times Kreim posted in SD and when he ran were also quite impressive.

[mknight]

i think you’re too harsh. He didn’t crash on shakedown, seems radiator got damaged/filled with dirt due to heavily rutted roads (and Polo runs quite low)

I think bits falling off the car were due to punctures/flailing rubber?

You’re right it was hard to judge his speed, but i imagine he will answer that in Liepaja.

Some 40? R5 cars did the Shakedown, some much later than him and he was the only one with the issue.
- too low setup?
- too much push/wrong line in the corner?

In either case he had part in it, not like the car stopped by itself.

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I don't get how rear bumper and light could get broken by two front wheel punctures.

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I am sure he will be one of, or even the fastest in Liepaja. I am not so sure he will make it to finish, which is a shame after he seemingly "calmed down" in Portugal.

[Lead]

One thing is sure, at the moment Fabia is not the best car for fast flowing roads. The car is unstable (maybe balance problems?).

[TypeR]

Solberg uaed his Polo because of the pandemic difficulties and Skoda couldn't bring the car to certain events(incl Estonia).

[dimviii]

while from Saturday mid-day the pace was decent. I am quite sure you do this on purpose.
.

Saturday mid day after service he had 13 sec from Luky,and at end of day he had 30 sec.
Thats not decent for a wrc round winner .
Man you have to get used to critic against your beloved driver.
Excuses like fabia is not top,or he is not used to these tyres doesnt help.

[Jarek Z]

i think you’re too harsh. He didn’t crash on shakedown, seems radiator got damaged/filled with dirt due to heavily rutted roads (and Polo runs quite low)

I think bits falling off the car were due to punctures/flailing rubber?

I don't know the reasons, because I wasn't able to follow the rally closely, but Gryazin's car looks like one big mess in this video :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdVDCZi5faw

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqrufeBcBxU&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWnjzglUQ64

[mknight]

Saturday mid day after service he had 13 sec from Luky,and at end of day he had 30 sec.
Thats not decent for a wrc round winner.

Yep let's remove a few secs here add a few there so that you add to your point by posting lies. Exactly my problem with your "critic". Why can't you write something with similar meaning without lying or exagerrating?

I suggest you check out Sordo at Barum 2018, WRC round winner, vs Lukyanuk among others. Can't remember anyone saying how terrible Sordo is, instead everyone who was following agreed on "excuses" that he never drove that rally and Hyundai wasn't best car.

[dimviii]

Yep let's remove a few secs here add a few there so that you add to your point by posting lies.

lies?

16,3 sec after ss 4
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68541-orlen-rajd-polski-rally-poland-2021/?s=325698

29,7 sec at day end.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68541-orlen-rajd-polski-rally-poland-2021/?s=325702


so at first 4 stages he had 16,3 sec diff to Luky,
and at day end and after another 4 stages he had 29,7 sec.
The only lie here is that after mid day he had a decent pace.
And the exagerating thing is that he had decent pace after mid day.

[Mirek]

One thing is sure, at the moment Fabia is not the best car for fast flowing roads. The car is unstable (maybe balance problems?).

The competitors made of newer generation of B-segment cars have longer wheelbase which is better for fast roads. Fabia has currently the shortest wheelbase of all but the new coming one goes from an extreme to extreme and will bring the longest wheelbase for a change. That will help on fast roads for sure but it may not be ideal for twisty slow ones.

[mknight]

lies?

16,3 sec after ss 4
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68541-orlen-rajd-polski-rally-poland-2021/?s=325698

29,7 sec at day end.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68541-orlen-rajd-polski-rally-poland-2021/?s=325702


so at first 4 stages he had 16,3 sec diff to Luky,
and at day end and after another 4 stages he had 29,7 sec.
The only lie here is that after mid day he had a decent pace.
And the exagerating thing is that he had decent pace after mid day.

Yes lies, "Saturday mid-day after service he had" 16.3 secs, not 13 as you wrote originally. Which means he lost less in the afternoon than in the morning, opposite to what you wrote.

Losing 13s over 68 km (0.2 s/km) out of which 9.5s was over last stage is a decent pace. Saying it's not is an on purpose exaggeration.
0.2s/km will typically result in 3rd or 4th place on a WRC rally, therefore guys that finish on 3rd place in WRC don't have decent pace..... good to know. Somehow it doesn't seem you follow these standards with other drivers though, how can that be?

[dimviii]

why are you lying fanboy?
morning loop was same amount of kms as evening loop,and he was just 2,9 sec faster than morning loop
Thats not a decent pace when you are just 2,9 sec faster at 66,5 stage kms.
So, you are lying and exagerrate things,not me.

[mknight]

why are you lying fanboy?
morning loop was same amount of kms as evening loop,and he was just 2,9 sec faster than morning loop
Thats not a decent pace when you are just 2,9 sec faster at 66,5 stage kms.
So, you are lying and exagerrate things,not me.

Morning loop time loss to Lukyanuk:
3,9+7,7+5,3 = 16,9 s

afternoon same stages:
0,7+2,6+9,5 = 12,8 s

16,9-12,8= 4.1s

So you posted wrong numbers (= lies) once, then when that was easily refuted you responded by posting wrong numbers (=lying) again to prove your point. Way to go.

Disclaimer:
- Saying something is decent or not is an opinion. One can exaggerate when posting his opinion and other might or might not agree.
- Posting "facts" which are not correct is not an opinion or exaggeration. Used to be called lies, nowadays it's alternative facts or fake news, I prefer the first term.

[dimviii]

Morning loop time loss to Lukyanuk:
3,9+7,7+5,3 = 16,9 s

afternoon same stages:
0,7+2,6+9,5 = 12,8 s

16,9-12,8= 4.1s

So you posted wrong numbers (= lies) once, then when that was easily refuted you responded by posting wrong numbers (=lying) again to prove your point. Way to go.

Disclaimer:
- Saying something is decent or not is an opinion. One can exaggerate when posting his opinion and other might or might not agree.
- Posting "facts" which are not correct is not an opinion or exaggeration. Used to be called lies, nowadays it's alternative facts or fake news, I prefer the first term.

your numbers doesnt show any decent pace.He was again slower at all stages.He just managed to be 4,1 sec faster from morning loop.
Not enough for a wrc regular,that he would win all rallies,and want to drive for free at wrc car.

[SubaruNorway]

Gryazin hit the edge of the concrete rail road passing pretty hard from what i could see

[Jarek Z]

Perhaps it is worth mentioning that it was the first time in ERC when ERC2 category was won by an R4 car. Congratulations to Javier Pardo and his Suzuki Swift R4lly S.

Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vykw3Crx6fk

[Jarek Z]

Mikkelsen says that he had wrong car settings in this rally:
https://www.fiaerc.com/why-erc-poland-restart-would-suit-mikkelsen/

[Lead]

Mikkelsen says that he had wrong car settings in this rally:
https://www.fiaerc.com/why-erc-poland-restart-would-suit-mikkelsen/

We will see in Latvia.

[pantealex]

Perhaps it is worth mentioning that it was the first time in ERC when ERC2 category was won by an R4 car. Congratulations to Javier Pardo and his Suzuki Swift R4lly S.



Rally2+Kit car.

[Jarek Z]

Miko Marczyk (third place in the rally) gets a fine of 2000 EUR for "donuts" after podium ceremony. This is sick :/
https://storage.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/aa5e7ac8-f086-442e-9e5d-743b06d87589%2F465acc7e-7df6-4043-84f9-107a8b2b7590_2.15%20Decision%20No%2011%20%2311.pdf ?generation=1624216138957737&alt=media

[Jarek Z]

Lukyanuk calls Gryazin "a golden boy", Gryazin doesn't like it and tries to hit him during a press conference! I have never seen rally drivers behaving like boxers before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2G1DDrKQ0

[PLuto]

Lukyanuk calls Gryazin "a golden boy", Gryazin doesn't like it and tries to hit him during a press conference! I have never seen rally drivers behaving like boxers before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2G1DDrKQ0

Before and during the press conference in Poland there was great and relaxed atmosphere. Better than usual "boring" answering the questions without emotions. :)