Rally Sweden 2022

[SubaruNorway]

Do we know where the stages will be located compared to Vännäs and Umeå?
Ss4/7 and maybe 11 could work, although they didn't look that interesting on the onboards. https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-V%C3%A4nn%C3%A4s-2020

[Rallyper]

Well, we have to wait until August or September until we know for sure.

I will rather focus on Rally Finland in July...

[pantealex]

Is the date even confirmed ?

[Rallyper]

Is the date even confirmed ?

No. Hotelreservations went crazy for the date I suppose everyone think will happen: 9-13 of February.

Could depend on if Arctic Rally Finland will be run, then maybe one week earlier. Or one week later...
Just speculations from me.

[linni]

No. Hotelreservations went crazy for the date I suppose everyone think will happen: 9-13 of February.


Right, 200 euros for double room for a night. That was the cheapest one.

[Rallyper]

Right, 200 euros for double room for a night. That was the cheapest one.

Was about 79 Euros at noon. Then at 1500 hrs it exploded...

[BleAivano]

A goodbye video of over 50 years of Sweden rally in Värmland


Thank you Värmland! More than 50 years of fantastic excitement, great experiences and unforgettable moments. Together we have created the world's best rally,
a winter festival which has grown year by year. Wherever the competitions will take place in the future, Värmland will always be part of Rally Sweden. Thank you, for everything
that has been – and everything that comes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wByEw3Bs24k

[BleAivano]

February 24th-27th are confirmed dates.

[DocMS]

Badly caught out with the date changes my hotel price has doubled now for moving to the new dates

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[RudiH]

any more news available now?

[linni]

Any information about the course?
Closest available accommodation to Umea is right now about 110 km. South, west and north directions.
Do not know in which direction to look at.

[DocMS]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EnthusiastsofRallySweden/permalink/6280376132036890/

Also if anyone looking for Accommodation in Vännäs drop me PM.

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[BleAivano]

Any information about the course?
Closest available accommodation to Umea is right now about 110 km. South, west and north directions.
Do not know in which direction to look at.

I would assume at least one day of stages around Vännas area (west of Umeå).

Anyhow, it is still early days but already some snow in the inlands:

https://i.imgur.com/NwK1lSa.png

Source: https://www.smhi.se/vader/observationer/observationer#ws=wpt-a,proxy=wpt-a,tab=vader,param=s

[BleAivano]

Also there is a thread already. https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?41507-Rally-Sweden-2022

[tommeke_B]

Probably going to skip this one. It's looks impossible to find a place to stay...

[linni]

Thanks.
Searched for similar thread when made first post, but didn`t find it.

[linni]

Found a hotel 110 km to south from Umea. It`s rally Sweden, do not expect to find close by accommodations.

[Rallyper]

Maybe Admin can put those two Threads together?

[tommeke_B]

Found a hotel 110 km to south from Umea. It`s rally Sweden, do not expect to find close by accommodations.
I've been to Rally Sweden 6 times, there it was relatively easy if you didn't wait too long. Driving roughly an extra 250km/day to the stages is a bit too much, days are quite long already. There are many other alternatives on the calendar (without snow indeed). We'll see for the year after... :) Anyway for the organizer it could be a financial problem, if there is no accommodation for spectators, then there will not be so many to buy a ticket...

[BleAivano]

Maybe Admin can put those two Threads together?

I did report the other thread so hopefully a moderator will merge them.

[Rallyper]

I've been to Rally Sweden 6 times, there it was relatively easy if you didn't wait too long. Driving roughly an extra 250km/day to the stages is a bit too much, days are quite long already. There are many other alternatives on the calendar (without snow indeed). We'll see for the year after... :) Anyway for the organizer it could be a financial problem, if there is no accommodation for spectators, then there will not be so many to buy a ticket...

I don´t think that will be a problem though. Many Finns will come and there are Swedes living in the area as well...
Think also that driving 250 km a day was solution for quite a lot of spectators in Värmland as well.

[BleAivano]

I don´t think that will be a problem though. Many Finns will come and there are Swedes living in the area as well...
Think also that driving 250 km a day was solution for quite a lot of spectators in Värmland as well.


When me and father have been at RS in Hagfors area we had a 250 km drive one way from where we live to the rally area, even a bit more to Vargåsen stage.

[linni]

Think also that driving 250 km a day was solution for quite a lot of spectators in Värmland as well.

Exactly. Been to Rally Sweden I think 5 times and driving 200+ km a day has been a rule. Surprisingly few accommodations to choose, Värmland or Umea.

[tommeke_B]

Of course it's normal. In some years if you wanted to see +-4 stages in a day you easily had +-250km alone for driving between the stages (like from Frederiksberg to Vargasen or Torsby - Norway stages). Add over 200km to that for sleeping so far from the stages, starts to add up doesn't it?

[cali]

Exactly, it was usually 100km but now 200+ to the stages. Can't find myself spectating Sweden for a while.

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[Sulland]

Guessing you have checked out the private cabins you can rent. Putting up the link anyway
https://visit.rallysweden.com/en/cabins?search=p%3D2%3Bc%3D31990%3Bcea%3D20220224%3 Bcmca%3DFalse&filter=spid%3Dsp-2

[tommeke_B]

When I checked it some month ago, nothing was available. It seems like the organizer is doing some work trying to find more accommodation to offer.

[DocMS]

We have 8 beds available in x2 cabins in Vännäs due to friends unable to now travel.

Pm if interested.

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[Sulland]

What do we know of the stages for 22, is the map out yet?

[DocMS]

That would be final nial in coffin for Rally Swedenhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211207/d1fd8203514b22ac744708c968e2adde.jpg

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[linni]

What a mess all the time. Something is very wrong with FIA rally section.
Cannot really make any plans anymore.
Good I did not buy rally pass and ferry tickets yet.

[Tom K]

Do not know why to blame FIA?

Situation is ridiculous. Rally Sweden Team looked for new destinations, there were I think minimum two more options, discussions with cities were held, and now what? Deal with Umea was announced in April. And in December they have problem with road permissions? It's like joke. Deal with Umea was done, but surrounding communes didn't know about it,or what? They thought it will be cycling?:D

[DocMS]

Appears to be objections from Military & some Sami villages that stages pass through submitted on 7th December. They supposedly have set deadline for 19th December to get resolved.

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[Rallyper]

There are also lot of environmentactivists in most of the swedish authorities. They would be more than happy to stop this rally. Like many other things they already succeeded in.

[DocMS]

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/rally-vd-sjalvkritisk-borde-pratat-med-berorda-om-banor-mycket-tidigare

Anyone translate?

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[Rallyper]

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/rally-vd-sjalvkritisk-borde-pratat-med-berorda-om-banor-mycket-tidigare

Anyone translate?

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Glenn says they must start preparations way earlier. Like talking to landowners. But also there are stakeholders with other interests than rallying. Despite having talks before summer they haven´t come longer this autumn. Swedish Motorsport association can decide wheather there will be a rally in Umeå or not. In that case they can decide to move rally to other location...

Practically not more than that. I wonder why they didn´t learn the essentials for being organizer...?

[linni]

Do not know why to blame FIA?

As long as I remeber FIA is the organization that is responsible for the World Chmpionships. WORLD championships, not some village race.

[rallyfiend]

Glenn says they must start preparations way earlier. Like talking to landowners. But also there are stakeholders with other interests than rallying. Despite having talks before summer they haven´t come longer this autumn. Swedish Motorsport association can decide wheather there will be a rally in Umeå or not. In that case they can decide to move rally to other location...

Practically not more than that. I wonder why they didn´t learn the essentials for being organizer...?

It could all be a tactic to bring those who are causing problems in to line...

[Rallyper]

It could all be a tactic to bring those who are causing problems in to line...

Let´s hope so...

[Sulland]

Then they have agreed with the local Sami population on 6 x SS and transport in their Reindeer "territory".
The Sami population has been 100% against the rally, but after talks btw the rally organizers, the municipality and the Sami reps, they have agreed that it is ok, if this results in better cooperation and that the municipality will create a development plan for the reindeer business in the area.
https://www.vk.se/2021-12-14/avtal-klart-for-sex-strackor

I was living even much further north on the Norwegian side for some years, and have tried to cooperate with the norwegian sami reindeer people. That can be very challenging indeed!
But now the Rally Sweden plan is moving forward again!


Still not that much snow;
https://www.smhi.se/en/weather/observations/snow-depth/
Press the shield symbol, and the town symbol on the right, then you will see Umeå town.

[satnav]

Just released ;
https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/rallyguide1_rallysweden22.pdf
https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/rallyguide1_appendix1_rallysweden22.pdf
https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/rallyguide1_appendix2_rallysweden22.pdf

https://rallysweden.com/en/itinerary-for-rally-sweden-2022-published/

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHPfCtAWQAoT-Sy?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.vk.se/2021-12-22/strackor-skickade-pa-remiss

This is the route sent for approval

[linni]

What is the situation? Will it get approval? Still do not know either to buy ferry tickets or not.

[Rallyper]

What is the situation? Will it get approval? Still do not know either to buy ferry tickets or not.

I would certainly do, if I were you.

[linni]

I would certainly do, if I were you.

Thanks, will do then :)

[RudiH]

we stay at vindeln, right in the heart of the action

[BleAivano]

Current snow depth (between 15 -30 cm), more snow is expected during the nearest week. https://www.smhi.se/vader/prognoser/ortsprognoser/q/Ume%C3%A5/602150

https://i.imgur.com/2bkMbkC.png

[tommeke_B]

I have pull back my criticism on the lack of accommodation. It looks like the organizer has done some good work finding people willing to rent their accommodation, more and more keep coming onto their website, some at more reasonable pricing than others. All booked now, it will be interesting to discover a completely new rally. :)

[DocMS]

Any news if spectators will be allowed?

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[BleAivano]

Any news if spectators will be allowed?

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I am not sure but my understanding is that restrictions does not apply to full outdoor events.

[linni]

Any news if spectators will be allowed?

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They are still selling rally passes.

[erikli2]

A fundraiser has been started to try to get PG Andersson on the start line with a Rally2 Fiesta. 1M SEK is the goal, shouldn't be impossible after the pace he has shown in the Swedish championship. Tidemand etc hasn't had a chance to keep up with his pace.

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/EsapekkaLappi/status/1481937202988957697

It's basically no-news, but Esapekka Lappi drives the third Toyota in Sweden

[linni]

Are spectators still allowed? As Finland is considering to tighten all the screws again, Sweden might do the same.
Wil buy ferry tickets at the very last moment.

[BleAivano]

Are spectators still allowed? As Finland is considering to tighten all the screws again, Sweden might do the same.
Wil buy ferry tickets at the very last moment.

Well, Vasaloppet is still planned to go ahead (15'000 skiers cramped into one field). Current restrictions don't apply to outdoors event, only indoor events.
I also think that any attempts to tighten the restrictions won't be possible due to increasing opposition due to "falsified" statistics regarding Covid-19 and
media is starting to question if this is used as an excuse to tighten the restrictions and as a way to hide the fact that healthcare is understaffed/under financed (Stockholm in particular).

[linni]

We had 2020 Tartu marathon (part of Loppet series with 10 000 participiants) a go all the way, when for the rest of the population 2+2 rules applied and no events were allowed.
So, sometimes some sports are more equal than the other sports.

But of course, hope the best. Cannot wait to see these new hybrid things alive.

[df93]

Entries close on Monday with entry list due to be published next Friday. Even with Monte Carlo this weekend it’s been quiet on any news from the entry front for Sweden?

[pantealex]

for WRC2 Eerik Pietarinen Polo R5

other expected WRC2/3 Finns
Emil Lindholm, Mikko Heikkilä, (maybe Teemu Asunmaa) all with Fabia EVO
Sami Pajari Fiesta Rally2/3 (JWRC champion prize)
Lauri Joona Fiesta Rally3 for WRC3J/JWRC

Probably also some other TGS and/or Printsport serviced drivers

[RS]

Entries close on Monday with entry list due to be published next Friday. Even with Monte Carlo this weekend it’s been quiet on any news from the entry front for Sweden?

They usually have a webpage where they keep updating the entries which was fun to keep checking.. not so this year it seems.

[pantealex]

They usually have a webpage where they keep updating the entries which was fun to keep checking.. not so this year it seems.

Only Historic entries visible this year, shame

[BleAivano]

PG Andersson has manage to secure enough funds for a start in Rally Sweden this year.

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/pg-andersson-till-rally-sweden-insamlingen-lyckades

[Andre Oliveira]

M-Sport should pick him to score WRC2 points.

[pantealex]

M-Sport should pick him to score WRC2 points.

Probably yes but his history with M-Sport in Sweden isn't that great...

Still can't find 2 faster Fiesta than him, so yes, should be picked.

[Mackie]

Could we see a fourth car fra Ford? And if so, who might it be?

[AnttiL]

Could we see a fourth car fra Ford? And if so, who might it be?

Bertelli. Sorry, I was wrong. He's not running his old Fiesta WRC anymore.

https://rallysweden.com/en/entry-list-for-rally-sweden-2022/

[Mackie]

Bertelli. Sorry, I was wrong. He's not running his old Fiesta WRC anymore.

https://rallysweden.com/en/entry-list-for-rally-sweden-2022/

Urgh. Sorry, just not excited for Bertelli... Unless he does very good (and I don't expect him to), it's just not interesting.

[AnttiL]

Urgh. Sorry, just not excited for Bertelli... Unless he does very good (and I don't expect him to), it's just not interesting.

Gentleman hobbyist driver. No expectations. Sad to see good car go to waste....and he would have a Fiesta WRC in the garage...

[macebig]

Weird they didn't up Huttunen in a Puma instead of a Rally 2 Fiesta. Probably Fourmaux's car is a write off and Bertelli will just run the test car.

[AnttiL]

Weird they didn't up Huttunen in a Puma instead of a Rally 2 Fiesta. Probably Fourmaux's car is a write off and Bertelli will just run the test car.

Money talks.

[AnttiL]

And oh, no Hyundai WRC2 program still

[er88]

You'd think this is where they would've wanted to start Suninen

[Danny0405]

Bertelli. Sorry, I was wrong. He's not running his old Fiesta WRC anymore.

https://rallysweden.com/en/entry-list-for-rally-sweden-2022/

Not a big surprise for Bertelli as he is almost always there even if we may have prefered someone else. A little too early for Huttunen who must prove in WRC-2 before having a chance in Rally1 with M-Sport. And for Mikkelsen, as his strategy for the season is not defined, maybe he didn’t want to pay for a drive so early. Don’t really see another drive who could have make sense (except Suninen but not possible for the reason we know; not the best place to spend money for Loubet).

Even if Suninen already said there were some issues, really surprised to see no official Hyundai there; quite worrying about their ability to manage a program.
Good WRC2 entries with Mikkelsen, Gryazin, Bulacia (+WRC entry for the younger brother who has a good hype), Huttunen, Lindholm, Pietarinen, Veiby.
A surprise however: no Ostberg so it seems Citroen sidelined him as some rumors said, except if his name comes later (list can be updated but seems late at this stage for an «*official*» driver). Will he be able to build a program?
For M-Sport, taking Adielson here as number 2 driver is quite clear: the effort will be only on Huttunen and Cais (quite forecasted already and not that far from the strategy in the last years) and only clients for the rest.

Really surprised that they manage to obtain 8 drivers for WRC3 (and probably all for J-WRC, looking at the profiles). Even if the 8 cars prepared by M-Sport were a good indication finally, I thought the cost would reduce even more the number of entries but finally they stay the same number.
However, not a big improvement in the quality of the entries except Franceschi (but no more Sesks); 5 were already there last year in Rally4. Let’s hope the fact that they’re one year older will help it. Interesting to see a young Kenyan in JWRC (and what a 1st name :D ).

[AnttiL]

You'd think this is where they would've wanted to start Suninen

Suninen is with Hyundai now. But Huttunen?

[AnttiL]

For M-Sport, taking Adielson here as number 2 driver is quite clear: the effort will be only on Huttunen and Cais (quite forecasted already and not that far from the strategy in the last years) and only clients for the rest.

Cais is a client since his team points go to Yacco Team, not M-Sport.

[Danny0405]

Cais is a client since his team points go to Yacco Team, not M-Sport.

I would say half-client as I understand M-Sport is supervising him (comparable to Fourmaux I would say).
But you are right on the point that he is also a sponsored driver.

Let’s see if Huttunen-Cais is enough to bring the 1st RC2 class win since Turkey 2019 (Greensmith).

[er88]

Suninen is with Hyundai now. But Huttunen?No sorry, I meant you'd think Hyundai would've wanted to start Suninen here considering it could've been a good event for him.

I don't understand why Hyundai are having such issues

[AnttiL]

No sorry, I meant you'd think Hyundai would've wanted to start Suninen here considering it could've been a good event for him.

I don't understand why Hyundai are having such issues

I think it's easy to understand:
- lack of spare parts (COVID)
- busy with Rally1 car
- no team leader
- lots of things to develop with Rally2 car

[Danny0405]

I think it's easy to understand:
- lack of spare parts (COVID)
- busy with Rally1 car
- no team leader
- lots of things to develop with Rally2 car

Yeah, Rally2 is clearly not the emergency at the moment for them; they still have enough rallyes to build a good program for Suninen (Portugal, Italy, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Spain + another one example). From Portugal, it is still possible to build a program (same for Ostberg in another case if he is not in Sweden and find some fundings) when you are not a tarmac driver.

However, I think it is representative of the disorder in Hyundai currently. Let’s hope we’re wrong and that they can improved both Rally1 and Rally2 cars.

[er88]

I think it's easy to understand:
- lack of spare parts (COVID)
- busy with Rally1 car
- no team leader
- lots of things to develop with Rally2 carNothing reflects well on them atm.

Spent so long developing that new R5 - even pushed back its homologation amid rumours they were having a few issues - and then when they eventually got it rally ready it has multiple issues and wasn't exactly blindingly quick. Neuville, Breen, Tanak, Huttunen, Solberg etc were all involved with that car too..., so no lack of driver knowledge.

They twiddle their thumbs in Korea before giving the green light for the hybrid era rally1, delaying the start or testing and development. Car on its first start looks off the pace / has numerous technical issues and "scared Neuville".

They're highlighting spare part issues as problems with both rally1 development and R5. Yet they are one of the biggest manufacturers in the world - is it that bad an issue for them??? Its not like they need parts to the extent they would do, if they are mass producing a road car. - maybe that's not how it works, but what sort of parts are they waiting on that weren't available, that are going to improve them?

Neuville knows the issues but won't discuss. All seems a bit worrying + plus you have Adamo leaving and still no new team leader.

They need to get their act in gear quickly.

[AnttiL]

Yeah, Rally2 is clearly not the emergency at the moment for them; they still have enough rallyes to build a good program for Suninen (Portugal, Italy, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Spain + another one example). From Portugal, it is still possible to build a program (same for Ostberg in another case if he is not in Sweden and find some fundings) when you are not a tarmac driver.

However, I think it is representative of the disorder in Hyundai currently. Let’s hope we’re wrong and that they can improved both Rally1 and Rally2 cars.

Even if they start in Croatia it's 3 months away, lots of time to work.

[Danny0405]

Even if they start in Croatia it's 3 months away, lots of time to work.

Yes Croatia is far and things could be better until there but my point was more saying that, until Portugal, it’s acceptable not to be there in WRC-2 when you are not a tarmac specialist (I was also considering Ostberg in the mix because, if Croatia makes some sense for Suninen, it is not a good option for Ostberg for example).

Beginning a full WRC-2 campaign after Portugal is harder with only 9 rallyes remaining, including 2 really expensive ones (NZ, Japan) + Kenya.

+ in an interview for Belgian site DH, Grégoire Munster, who is aiming the official Junior support from Hyundai (MC was a showdown to try to obtain it), was talking about Portugal for the beginning of Hyundai’s WRC-2 program.

[pantealex]

Remember that Skoda did stop production of Rally2 cars, given reason was lack of parts.
(and new one is coming)
so I believe in those Hyundai lack of parts rumors

[Mirek]

Remember that Skoda did stop production of Rally2 cars, given reason was lack of parts.
(and new one is coming)
so I believe in those Hyundai lack of parts rumors

AFAIK Škoda restarted the production few weeks ago. I think the issue was with the lack of chips. That's a global issue which stroke basically all industrial branches, of course also all motorsport sub-suppliers.

[WRCStan]

Whilst I'm waiting for the entry list I've found myself in Rally Guide 2 where it says it'll cost €100 excluding VAT to self-service wash a car. Is that normal?

[Sulland]

Not many nordic privateers compared to other years.
If a privateer are to make a budget for a rally Sweden in a RC2 car he owns himself.
what will a total be in your opinion?

Aprox Budget Rally Sweden;

1. Entry fee 4000 €
2. Tyres
3. Fuel
4. Hotel/food for team
5. Other cost

Total:

[BleAivano]

Whilst I'm waiting for the entry list I've found myself in Rally Guide 2 where it says it'll cost €100 excluding VAT to self-service wash a car. Is that normal?


€100 euros? Has to be a misquote. I would assume they mean 100 SEK (9.5€).

At OKQ8s petrol stations (UMEÅ) the cost is 149 SEK (14€) for automatic wash, 20 SEK (1.9€) for a quick wash and 2,5 SEK (0,23€)/minute for manual wash. So of you spend 60 minutes washing you car that would be 150 SEK (~14 €).

https://www.okq8.se/pa-stationen/tvatta-bilen/

[linni]

Could be the case this is a temporary car wash, watering machine with water brought to service place. Plus, considering the eco - green stuff, collecting or filtering the waste water? Easy € 100 .

[WRCStan]

Enough car wash chat, the entries are now here: https://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/documents/

[Andre Oliveira]

With Rally Sweden entry list published, we (eWRC-results.com team) introduce you new info in entry list menu. Hope you like.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/72282-rally-sweden-2022/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKNXr6jWQAU51kg?format=jpg&name=medium

[PLuto]

Enough car wash chat, the entries are now here: https://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/documents/

So if I understand well, there are 8 crews in WRC3 Juniors, but only 4 of them eligible for WRC3 Open? Nice...

[Mirek]

Enough car wash chat, the entries are now here: https://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/documents/

There is exactly one 2WD car entered. Was there ever a WRC event without any 2WD at all?

[PLuto]

There is exactly one 2WD car entered. Was there ever a WRC event without any 2WD at all?

Safari 2021 for example - https://rally-base.com/2021/safari-rally-kenya-2021/start-list/authorized-to-start/

[Andre Oliveira]

Huttunen can’t be WRC2 Junior

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKNx7YNXMAIh6EU?format=jpg&name=medium

[MTA]

Not many nordic privateers compared to other years.
If a privateer are to make a budget for a rally Sweden in a RC2 car he owns himself.
what will a total be in your opinion?

Aprox Budget Rally Sweden;

1. Entry fee 4000 €
2. Tyres
3. Fuel
4. Hotel/food for team
5. Other cost

Total:PG Andersson calculated with 1 million SEK to enter (~95 k eur).

[Hartusvuori]

Whilst I'm waiting for the entry list I've found myself in Rally Guide 2 where it says it'll cost €100 excluding VAT to self-service wash a car. Is that normal?

That was 100e per car for a wash card that one can use as many times as needed during the stay.

[AnttiL]

Safari 2021 for example - https://rally-base.com/2021/safari-rally-kenya-2021/start-list/authorized-to-start/

And Turkey 2020

[Got Mail]

Good to see Bruno Bulacia moving up to WRC level.

I'm told he is very, very good.

[Sulland]

PG Andersson calculated with 1 million SEK to enter (~95 k eur).

And he used crowdfunding to get in parts of that, did he not?
How much of the budget did he get from that channel?

PG on top form is always quick in Sweden, so lets see how quick he gets in the Ford.

[wwbroe]

I see that SS2-5 is 27,81 kms long, i tought with the new reglementation maximum stage lenght was limited to 25 Kms?

[Bartolbia84]

Greensmith will prepare Sweden by taking part in the third round of the Norwegian Rally Championship with a Fiesta Rally2 (barring surprises as rally1s are allowed in Norway).

https://www.rallyeslalom.com/gus-greensmith-al-via-del-numedalsrally-con-la-fiesta/

[AnttiL]

I see that SS2-5 is 27,81 kms long, i tought with the new reglementation maximum stage lenght was limited to 25 Kms?

What?

[wwbroe]

What?

Wasn't it said that maximum stage lenght would be 25 Kms? I tought i read this somewhere here before?
Because of hybrids?

[Sulland]

Greensmith will prepare Sweden by taking part in the third round of the Norwegian Rally Championship with a Fiesta Rally2 (barring surprises as rally1s are allowed in Norway).

https://www.rallyeslalom.com/gus-greensmith-al-via-del-numedalsrally-con-la-fiesta/

Gus is coming to test the JWRC Rally3 cars on snow and ice before Sweden.
So it could be he is driving a Rally3 or MSport have challenges on the loose with their Rally2 Fiesta. That cartype have not gotten much attention from MSport Uk, since most engineers have worked on the Rally1 car.

Maybe it is time to give MSport Poland all customer car classes, and keep Rally1 only in the UK.

[MTA]

And he used crowdfunding to get in parts of that, did he not?
How much of the budget did he get from that channel?

PG on top form is always quick in Sweden, so lets see how quick he gets in the Ford.Yes it is true. From what I understood, it was SEK 1 million that was needed that way, but there were several companies that went in with larger sums.

Latest news was that it was missing about 200k sek 17/1 and then 24/1 that he was registered.

http://www.pgandersson.se/Nyheter_2022/Nyheter_220117Laegesrapport.htm

PG is very fast so it will be very interesting to see how fast he goes compared to the others in the WRC. I think he can surprise many as long as he stays on the road and the car does not break down.

[cali]

Yes it is true. From what I understood, it was SEK 1 million that was needed that way, but there were several companies that went in with larger sums.

Latest news was that it was missing about 200k sek 17/1 and then 24/1 that he was registered.

http://www.pgandersson.se/Nyheter_2022/Nyheter_220117Laegesrapport.htm

PG is very fast so it will be very interesting to see how fast he goes compared to the others in the WRC. I think he can surprise many as long as he stays on the road and the car does not break down.Sorry, he hasn't driven WRC cars for a long time and last time I saw him in Sweden in WRC he needed to take more risks than anyone else we saw on stages. He is that type of a driver. He is good to see for the eye but everything you said will not happen for sure.

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[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Sweden-2022

[AnttiL]

Wasn't it said that maximum stage lenght would be 25 Kms? I tought i read this somewhere here before?
Because of hybrids?

Not in the regulations. Maybe in practice though very few 30km stages

[tommeke_B]

Not in the regulations. Maybe in practice though very few 30km stages
No. Interesting note is that FIA safety guidelines strongly recommend two 0-cars for stages over 30km long. Maybe it's even mandatory before they approve a stage in WRC, not sure. Not very practical for organizers.

[MTA]

Sorry, he hasn't driven WRC cars for a long time and last time I saw him in Sweden in WRC he needed to take more risks than anyone else we saw on stages. He is that type of a driver. He is good to see for the eye but everything you said will not happen for sure.

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He should not drive a WRC car, but an WRC 2 that he has been driving for almost 3 years now in Swedish championship (first a Fiesta Mk I and last year an Evo) so he has quite a lot of experience with that car.

I agree that he takes risks but think that many may be surprised by his speed. If he just stays on the road, I think he can reach a very high position.
In several competitions in the Swedish championships he hade competed against Tideman and from what I can remember PG has won all of these.

[AnttiL]

I looked at PG's profile and he's done basically only Swedish National rallies since 2014, I'm not expecting too much

[wyler]

No. Interesting note is that FIA safety guidelines strongly recommend two 0-cars for stages over 30km long. Maybe it's even mandatory before they approve a stage in WRC, not sure. Not very practical for organizers.

It's been like this for years, for safety reasons. both start same time and cover half stage to clear the entire road in a limited span of time near to the start time.

[mknight]

Greensmith will prepare Sweden by taking part in the third round of the Norwegian Rally Championship with a Fiesta Rally2 (barring surprises as rally1s are allowed in Norway).

https://www.rallyeslalom.com/gus-greensmith-al-via-del-numedalsrally-con-la-fiesta/

E. Bryndilsen said on the second round of national championship yesterday that he recommended Greensmith not to meet up cause it's so difficult rally.

Østberg (who was commentator), said Greensmith will likely get decimated by the local guys.

Either way snow is Fiestas weakest surface and Greensmith doesn't have any good record on it either.

[Rallyper]

I looked at PG's profile and he's done basically only Swedish National rallies since 2014, I'm not expecting too much

What´s the difference between Swedish National or International rallies? Both on Swedish ground and very same conditions.

[Rallyper]

E. Bryndilsen said on the second round of national championship yesterday that he recommended Greensmith not to meet up cause it's so difficult rally.

Østberg (who was commentator), said Greensmith will likely get decimated by the local guys.

Either way snow is Fiestas weakest surface and Greensmith doesn't have any good record on it either.

He can do Valösprinten Sunday 13/2... 3 x 3 K. :) :)

[AnttiL]

What´s the difference between Swedish National or International rallies? Both on Swedish ground and very same conditions.

I mean, he can win local rounds but is it enough for WRC2 level?

[Sulland]

E. Bryndilsen said on the second round of national championship yesterday that he recommended Greensmith not to meet up cause it's so difficult rally.

Østberg (who was commentator), said Greensmith will likely get decimated by the local guys.

Either way snow is Fiestas weakest surface and Greensmith doesn't have any good record on it either.

The Fiesta on loose is a hard car to get to work.
Anders Grøndal have tried hard, but can not get it to work. He said in frustration he was happy he had 1 stage and 1 rally left in the car. Then a new car.

But PG has gotten his MkII to work well enough the smash the swedish opposition on snow. So lets see how that adds up against the top WRC2 bunch!

[Rallyper]

I mean, he can win local rounds but is it enough for WRC2 level?

It´s enough, for sure. It´s winter. Podium definately.

[tommeke_B]

All respect for PG Andersson, he was a top WRC driver, who had his peak at the wrong moment (when nearly all manufacturers left). But for me it would be surprising if he can fight against guys like Mikkelsen and Gryazin who are spending time in a rally car pretty much every week.

[linni]

Does anybody know how much will be a ticket for a single SS? I can see only festival passes in rally shop. Last years has been pretty hard traffic, better sit in one place the whole day.

[pantealex]

It´s enough, for sure. It´s winter. Podium definately.

For that he has to beat 4 out of
Mikkelsen, Gryazin, Lindholm, Huttunen, Veiby, Kaur
all have been very fast on Snow and/or RallySweden

Hard task, not impossible but hard.

[Rallyper]

All respect for PG Andersson, he was a top WRC driver, who had his peak at the wrong moment (when nearly all manufacturers left). But for me it would be surprising if he can fight against guys like Mikkelsen and Gryazin who are spending time in a rally car pretty much every week.

I said podium, not win...

[AnttiL]

Route preview

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/01/31/route-preview-rally-sweden-2022/

Could this be the fastest WRC event ever? The stages look mostly very fast with long straights, and there's not a proper super special to slow down either. Of course it will depend on the conditions as well...

[ouvreur]

Excellent work as always! Only one thing, for SS1/4, I think the street view camera needs to be rotated 180 degrees?

[EstWRC]

thanks Antti, great work as usual.

i think theres also a bigger chance to see more mistakes from drivers, the roads are unknown and also the cars. M-sport and Hyundai will have only 1 test day per driver before the event. Toyota already did their test but im 100% sure they will do more.

[AnttiL]

Excellent work as always! Only one thing, for SS1/4, I think the street view camera needs to be rotated 180 degrees?

Thanks and thanks for the correction, indeed it is the wrong way :D Fixed now!

[AnttiL]

thanks Antti, great work as usual.

i think theres also a bigger chance to see more mistakes from drivers, the roads are unknown and also the cars. M-sport and Hyundai will have only 1 test day per driver before the event. Toyota already did their test but im 100% sure they will do more.

I think the test they did was their "Sweden test day" allocation since it was outside their normal test area, at least for Elfyn and Kalle.

[AnttiL]

I did some calculations and estimations and I think it won't be the fastest WRC event ever...maybe 123 km/h though. Difficult to estimate when conditions make a huge difference and we have completely new cars.

[MTA]

Ss 2 2236


Sorry, this image was from Lima and not Umeå.

[BleAivano]

Snow depth this morning (https://www.smhi.se/vader/observationer/observationer#ws=wpt-a,proxy=wpt-a,tab=vader,param=s). Forecasts says another 20 mm of precipitation is expected this week in the area (and 1 mm of of precipitation is equivalent of 1-3 cm of new snow (https://www.smhi.se/kunskapsbanken/meteorologi/sno-och-hagel/hur-mats-snodjup-1.27291))
but to stay a bit conservative side maybe 10-15 cm at least. The winter has been very mild so far, very few longer stretches of very cold weather.
However I think that means good road conditions with solid ice base, but someone more local can perhaps give a more detailed report?

https://i.imgur.com/VTXKwCE.png

[Myrvold]

It's not that much more snow than what it is around the planned 2021 route.
With the rally moving north, they are also needing quite a few new people running the event in 2023 if they keep it there. Many of the ones who have done it for years in the previous area are only doing it due to their contract this year.

[Rallyper]

Well, the mixed temperatures below and over zero degrees should mean ice surface will grow. Let´s hope for minus degrees when rally gets along though... Snow seems to be enough.

[Rallyper]

It's not that much more snow than what it is around the planned 2021 route.
With the rally moving north, they are also needing quite a few new people running the event in 2023 if they keep it there. Many of the ones who have done it for years in the previous area are only doing it due to their contract this year.

It´s for sure very much safer conditions than was in 2021 or years before in Torsby area.

[EstWRC]

im sure the most perfect conditions are one week before or after the rally like every year :p

[mknight]

Well when it's too much snow drivers start to complain that everything should be plowed (see 2018).

Anyway temperatures going up and down around zero are best for solid base, which should be there this year.

[AnttiL]

Well when it's too much snow drivers start to complain that everything should be plowed (see 2018).

Not too much snow but fresh snow

We've had quite different Rally Swedens in the previous few years

2020 almost no snow at all, stages cancelled
2019 slushy conditions
2018 very much fresh snow, a lot slower stage times than in 2017
2017 little snow but much ice, no snowbanks
2016 warm conditions with water on the stages, stages cancelled

Arctic Rally Finland last year was also interesting with very much snow and heavy freeze just weeks before the rally but then close to zero and sunshine during the rally.

[Sulland]

-10 right now, temp will rise tovards the end of the week.
https://www.smhi.se/q/Ume%C3%A5/602150

Still a month to go, but cold and 40 cm is good so far. Not sure if the ss roads are in regular use or not.

[SubaruNorway]

Feel free to drive and film any of the stages we don't have onboard of if anyone's in the area, like SS1,2,10 and the end of 8 especially.
Didn't find too many interesting spots so far but hopefully there should be something in SS1 on those technical and bumpy roads.

[linni]

Well when it's too much snow drivers start to complain that everything should be plowed (see 2018).

Nothing wrong to be sarcastic.
But I was there (cannot remember which SS) and it was miserable when Ogier first went through. Literally plowing.

[AnttiL]

Feel free to drive and film any of the stages we don't have onboard of if anyone's in the area, like SS1,2,10 and the end of 8 especially.
Didn't find too many interesting spots so far but hopefully there should be something in SS1 on those technical and bumpy roads.

Go to the only corner on the fast section of SS1 :D

[AnttiL]

Nothing wrong to be sarcastic.
But I was there (cannot remember which SS) and it was miserable when Ogier first went through. Literally plowing.

Ending of Röjden was left unploughed

EDIT: not Svullrya

[MTA]

Tänak was very angry at Röjden when the last bit had not been plowed in 2018.

[MTA]

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/inget-formellt-beslut-om-rallyt-men-forsaljningen-pagar

No official decision has yet been made by the county administrative board. Decisions are expected to be made at the end of the week.

[EstWRC]

wait, what?

[SubaruNorway]

Go to the only corner on the fast section of SS1 :D

It's probably actually not such a bad corner if it's little more of a corner than it looks like with them coming in on the limiter

[linni]

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/inget-formellt-beslut-om-rallyt-men-forsaljningen-pagar

No official decision has yet been made by the county administrative board. Decisions are expected to be made at the end of the week.

Right.
Just ridiculous.

[Allez Andruet]

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/inget-formellt-beslut-om-rallyt-men-forsaljningen-pagar

No official decision has yet been made by the county administrative board. Decisions are expected to be made at the end of the week.

No offence to any of the Swedish friends here, but if this would eventually get screwed up, the winter round of the WRC should be held somewhere else for the years to come.

[TypeR]

I don't understand how the promoter and FIA allow such thing.
Less than a month to the start of a event and organizers are only hoping and keeping fingers crossed that they will get permissions..
It would be a huge fail if it won't happen and next rally is almost 3 months away..

2. Arctic Rally Lapland?

[Hartusvuori]

2. Arctic Rally Lapland?

One doesn't organize a WRC event on a few weeks notice. I'm still pretty sure Swedish round will run as planned. Even if this is a little crazy.

[AnttiL]

Yeah, it would be too late to arrange a replacement anymore. Last year Arctic Rally and Rally Finland organizers were notified around christmas time.

It would be totally ridiculous to cancel the rally on these reasons after going through all the trouble of moving the event, and likely Värmland has plenty of snow this year?

However, I wouldn't still want to add Arctic as a permanent WRC event because it would mean likely the end of Jyväskylä Rally Finland

[Sulland]

As far as I read the situation regarding Rally Swedens local approval, it is more formal than practical.

As written before, this is mainly regarding the Sami population feeling they need some form of refund for driving on "their land" We have the same issues on our side of the border, but mainly further north.

The rally organizers and the Swedish municipality are now in agreement with reps from the sami population, and based on that the politicians need formally to vote and sign the deal.

This is late, but normally these things take time, and it will be ok soon.

[Rallyper]

My feeling is same. It will be alright.

We have the County Administrative Board in Umeå, who has the final decision to make in end of this week. However the bureacracy is huge. Hundreds of people just turning written pages all day.
But hopefully they understand the importance of right decision.

[pino]

My feeling is same. It will be alright.

We have the County Administrative Board in Umeå, who has the final decision to make in end of this week. However the bureacracy is huge. Hundreds of people just turning written pages all day.
But hopefully they understand the importance of right decision.

Fingers crossed, I’ve already booked my flights and can’t wait ;)

[MTA]

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/vm-rallyt-far-tillstand-tavlingen-blir-av

The County Administrative Board has now approved and given permission for all 19 SS to be driven.

[erikli2]

All corona restrictions will be removed in Sweden on the 9th of February, and all necessary permissions are now completed. Game on!

[WRCStan]

All corona restrictions will be removed in Sweden on the 9th of February, and all necessary permissions are now completed. Game on!

Anybody who wants to wear masks - fine, but they should live by the conviction of their morals all the time. Hopefully this means I won't have to see informal footage of folk putting masks on for formal interviews on camera. Very sick of it now.

[Sulland]

Green light for Rally Sweden!!

https://worldrally.se/gront-ljus-for-rally-sweden-2022/?fbclid=IwAR3fU4p3fJ_0MZ1lhwmOAjvWaoLgqD7JFD29bv0d tFXA_aZ7T8rQhFgvTh8

[pantealex]

I made decision to go there.

[MTA]

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/hor-skottande-umeabor-om-snofallet-hela-vintern-kommer-pa-en-gang

Heavy snowfall in Umeå. There may be up to 50cm of snow in the next few days in some areas.

[BleAivano]

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/hor-skottande-umeabor-om-snofallet-hela-vintern-kommer-pa-en-gang

Heavy snowfall in Umeå. There may be up to 50cm of snow in the next few days in some areas.

The article is 2 days old and while more snow is expected it doesn't looks as much as 50 cm, but time will tell.

[linni]

https://www.smhi.se/vader/observationer/observationer#ws=wpt-a,proxy=wpt-a,tab=vader,param=s

Couple of days ago the snow thickness was about 35 cm just the south of Umea. Now it`s 70 cm.

[DocMS]

Has the stages ever been used in local or national rallies before that we can find some videos to point to some viewing locations ?

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[ouvreur]

Has the stages ever been used in local or national rallies before that we can find some videos to point to some viewing locations ?

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Route preview

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/01/31/route-preview-rally-sweden-2022/

Could this be the fastest WRC event ever? The stages look mostly very fast with long straights, and there's not a proper super special to slow down either. Of course it will depend on the conditions as well...

[AnttiL]

BTW to reply to myself, this won't be the fastest WRC event ever. My estimate is around 122-123 km/h but of course it's difficult to estimate the pace of the new cars. However some stages will be very fast.

[Realy]

How has parking been arranged there in previous years, a road park? Or plowed fields?
It looks like there aren’t many small roads going along the special stages.

[linni]

How has parking been arranged there in previous years, a road park? Or plowed fields?
It looks like there aren’t many small roads going along the special stages.


This and that. But this time the location in different, new roads, so hard to say. Probably road parking mostly.

[Realy]

Thank you for the information. Let's hope the rally magazine tells more. Alkais jo...

[KasperiK]

Are there any locals in this forum? I would have asked if anyone has been on the rally stages already? What are the conditions of the stages and is there any opportunity to use unofficial roads to the stages or is there too much snow?


(JOs foorumilla suomalaisia niin spekulointia voidaan harrastaa yvllä)
Perä tielle!

[erikli2]

Are there any locals in this forum? I would have asked if anyone has been on the rally stages already? What are the conditions of the stages and is there any opportunity to use unofficial roads to the stages or is there too much snow?


(JOs foorumilla suomalaisia niin spekulointia voidaan harrastaa yvllä)
Perä tielle!


I'm not a local of those parts of Sweden, but on Rally Sweden Facebook-page they've posted some pictures on the conditions of the stages. More pics available in the comments from locals as well. Looks really good with high snow banks.

[Allez Andruet]

(JOs foorumilla suomalaisia niin spekulointia voidaan harrastaa yvllä)
Perä tielle!
Tänne vaan spekuloimaan: https://f1-forum.fi/threads/ruotsin-mm-ralli-2022.24150/page-4

[Rallyper]

If Rally Sweden had stayed in Torsby area 2022, this forum would´ve been full of speculations of the rally being held or not.
Big uncertainty about weather in the current situation.
Plus degrees next few days, cold period beginning of next week folloowed by plus degrees over the rally...
Not more than around 10 -20 cm of snow in the area as well.
For Umeå conditions are perfect...

[AnttiL]

Still no "spectator recce" onboards from the stages?

[KasperiK]

does anyone know is the organization going to publish individual SS maps?

[KasperiK]

or a map with even official parking spaces?:D

[BleAivano]

It has been announced that Rally Live who does the live radio coverage from the Swedish Championship will do the Swedish rally radio from Rally Sweden.
It will be available for free at www.sbfplay.se or locally via Pop and Rock FM radio on these frequencies: Umeå 102,3 MHZ, Vännäs 103.0 MHz, Lycksele 101.1 MHz, Örnsköldsvik 89,8 och 87.60 Mhz

[BleAivano]

or a map with even official parking spaces?:D

From what I've read there will be offical parking maps and also official snow mobile parking maps.

[SubaruNorway]

There's entry roads marked here but not what type of parking, there will be som field parking for sure.
Will be a chaos if not with the low amount of entry roads
https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/

[TypeR]

Bertelli won't drive in Sweden.

Milan Fashion week starts at the same time and man has got some work to do and money to make(for more wrc rounds hopefully :) )


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/milan-fashion-week-culls-bertellis-sweden-entry/

[abcrally]

Bertelli won't drive in Sweden.

Milan Fashion week starts at the same time and man has got some work to do and money to make(for more wrc rounds hopefully :) )


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/milan-fashion-week-culls-bertellis-sweden-entry/

They noticed only now these two events are clashing? Or maybe mom didn't allow him to drive.

Difficult to say which fans are winning here, Sweden or Milan ;)

[AnttiL]

These stages are so boring...very long straights. Co-drivers better pack in their crossword puzzles.

I believe the only jump will be on the spectator area at the end of the Umeå stage.

[EstWRC]

i cant believe im seeing a post from Antti saying stages are boring : D

[focus206]

These stages are so boring...very long straights. Co-drivers better pack in their crossword puzzles.

I believe the only jump will be on the spectator area at the end of the Umeå stage.

so compared to Varmland and Arctic, we can expect stages to be more straight and faster? How about the size of the road, as tight as Arctic or more open?

[AnttiL]

so compared to Varmland and Arctic, we can expect stages to be more straight and faster? How about the size of the road, as tight as Arctic or more open?

I think overall we're quite close to Arctic. The stages are primarly in forests with very little change in landscape, there are long straights with flat and sharp corners but no "medium corners", as well as big hills and bumpy roads but no jumps. The road width varies from wide to narrow, just like in Arctic and Värmland and Jyväskylä. Pace-wise there's a big contrast between the fast roads and the slow roads, barely anything in between (this is also similar to some stages of Rally Estonia). However, while Arctic has almost no houses among the route, the Umeå route has actually quite a few houseyard passings or small villages along the stages. Some sections are similar to Värmland, like most of Örträsk, middle part of Långed, some parts of power stage. And the spectator area of Umeå is very similar to what they had in Torsby.

[SubaruNorway]

Yeah it's either really fast or really slow and visibility is really bad in many places with the trees right up to the road, can't really find any special places like Colin's crest, Fredriksberg or Röjden jumps.
But hopefully it's easier to find something once there on my own.

[DocMS]

With restrictions removed in Sweden is access to service area allowed again in the WRC?

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[BleAivano]

Some brief info in this video (in Swedish): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rzfXyt1GU8 regarding parking (larger parking places with shuttle buses)*
and also info regarding snow mobiles. * no details regarding stage parking more parking will be available.

[Realy]

Has anyone bought a rally magazine? Are parking areas marked on it? I mean, see if it's a road park or a field park.

[KasperiK]

its seems like that the organization is releasing only a shakedown map which showing the parking spaces...:D
https://rallysweden.com/en/stage/shakedown-klabbole/
On the other maps theres no mention of parking spaces ... yet

[linni]

https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/

If you click on a stage name, the map opens. There are no coordinates or explanations, but the spectator areas are marked.

[KasperiK]

yeah, i see that. But it’s still quite odd that in the shakedown map, the parking areas are properly marked but not on the other maps.

[linni]

Then who is going to pay 10 euros for the rally magazine?

[Realy]

Funny thing if you choose Swedish or English as the language of the pages then you will get a little bit different map of shakedown. The route is the same...

[TypeR]

SS9/13 Already cancelled..
reason: reindeer herds.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/rally-sweden-stages-canceled-because-of-reindeer/

[AnttiL]

I thought first it’s already 1st April…

Probably the best stage of the rally is gone

[er88]

This rally is dying a slow death. Just put it out of its misery and move on.

You move here despite vastly inferior roads, with the expectation we will at least not have to worry about what stages might/ might not be cancelled in the lead up to the rally. And now, we still lose stages. Possible the best one.....

[EstWRC]

agreed, sorry Swedish guys but its time to move to elsewhere with the winter rally

its getting ridiculous...is it difficult to do it together with Norway or smth?

[rp]

It will be the last time in Sweden. No doubt that Rovaniemi and Arctic Rally Finland is ready!

[SubaruNorway]

agreed, sorry Swedish guys but its time to move to elsewhere with the winter rally

its getting ridiculous...is it difficult to do it together with Norway or smth?

If only there was a bigger town near the new airport in Sweden between Sälen and Trysil, there's not much rally interest or clubs in Norway able to do it further north than that. Stages around Lima was as good as it gets last weekend.

[Rallyper]

Don´t forget Östersund. Better in many ways.
However the reindeer owners will do everything they can to jidder the rally. Maybe not during, but after and especially making it will never happen in the area again.

Move it to Östersund, I´d say.

[erikli2]

Don´t forget Östersund. Better in many ways.
However the reindeer owners will do everything they can to jidder the rally. Maybe not during, but after and especially making it will never happen in the area again.

Move it to Östersund, I´d say.

Agree. I´ve done Östersund Winter Rally four times, great roads and always perfect conditions. We did meet a deer on a stage though :rolleyes:

[linni]

Move it to Östersund, I´d say.

FIA would hang it for some months, and Morocco, here we go!

[Sulland]

SS9/13 Already cancelled..
reason: reindeer herds.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/rally-sweden-stages-canceled-because-of-reindeer/

Why am I not surpriced. These are the same gang that held up the process of getting stages approved locally.
Now suddenly they have to move reindeer just under the rally!! Not before and not after, but just under the rally.

My guess is the following; Some of the sami people was not happy in the way they they were treated, or did not agree with the solution that was agreed.
So they trump their solution, to make as much mess as possible.

I worked up north in Norway for 6 years, in the armed forces.
When we were arranging exercises we called infommeetings for the locals, including the sami reindees organisations.

when we gave them the dates, they always complained, and even if we agreed that they should keep the animals out of the ex area in this period, you can be 100% sure some of them moved the animals into the ex area.

After the ex we always got claims from them, that the shooting and sound of tanks and other heavy machinery had some of the best reindeers died from stress. Same every year. In the end some of us wanted to give them the wrong area to see what happened. But we were never given a thumbs up from the boss!

The hardliners in the sami population feels they own the land and water in the whole area up north, and some of the them acts as if this were true.

Often the smartest way is to give them parts of what they want in negotiations, and give them something they can make money from every year. Then you can win them over!

[SubaruNorway]

This is the area they control, SS9 is close to Bjurholm...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sameby_vapsten.png

[Rallyper]

Agree. I´ve done Östersund Winter Rally four times, great roads and always perfect conditions. We did meet a deer on a stage though :rolleyes:

We did too. 2005, 2006.

[Realy]

Now the official website has a more detailed presentation of the SS 1/4 and parking spaces there.
https://rallysweden.com/en/stage/ss-1-4-kroksjo/

[EstWRC]

is the shakedown one of the longest during recent years? proper one with 7.59km

also, watching the timetable it seems some guys will get through SS5 during daylight and later guys during dark

[tommeke_B]

It's a long one indeed. Last year Ypres had a longer shakedown, nearly 10km.
SS5 will be in daylight for all WRC drivers I think.
Quite a lot of stages in the dark actually, roughly 50km for the Rally1 drivers and 80 for almost everyone else.

[AnttiL]

Shakedown is also crazy fast…maybe four non-flat corners.

[tommeke_B]

Shakedown is also crazy fast…maybe four non-flat corners.
Only if you're stuck in third gear... ;) Many fast but definitely not all flat out.

[AnttiL]

Flat minus maybe ;) but only a few slow corners, three of them junctions.

[dimviii]

Lappi “fine” accepting Toyota team orders in Sweden

Esapekka Lappi could be a victory contender in Sweden but accepts he'll need to make way for team-mates if asked
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/lappi-fine-accepting-toyota-team-orders-in-sweden/

[pantealex]

When I look "Pickems":

Quite many seems to think that Hyundai could pull "Arctic trick" again, I don't think so!

For me:
Evans is clear winner candidate
Breen is clearly fastest Puma driver
Mikkelsen is NOT fastest WRC2 driver

[becher]

Lappi “fine” accepting Toyota team orders in Sweden

Esapekka Lappi could be a victory contender in Sweden but accepts he'll need to make way for team-mates if asked
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/lappi-fine-accepting-toyota-team-orders-in-sweden/

I wonder what would happen if Lappi emerges as a title contender by the fifth round or so as Ogier is likely staying at home forthe next few events. Thanks to Loeb and Ogier he didn't loose that many points in Monte.

[Rallyper]

When I look "Pickems":

Quite many seems to think that Hyundai could pull "Arctic trick" again, I don't think so!

For me:
Evans is clear winner candidate
Breen is clearly fastest Puma driver
Mikkelsen is NOT fastest WRC2 driver

So now you should do Pickems too... ;) ;)

[Sulland]

Rally Sweden went north, so far north that maybe the best way to get out to the stages is not by car, but by snowmobile!
For most people this could add a fun new experience to being a spectator!

https://rallysweden.com/en/the-snowmobile-takes-you-to-the-worlds-best-rally/

It will of course add to the cost, but it is a brilliant experience!

[AnttiL]

Weather looks interesting. There will be almost -20 C next night, then snowfall during Wednesday and Thursday with plus degrees, then the actual rally is with no snowfall, from +1 to -9 C.

[linni]

Some 5 years ago the forecast the day before for Torsby was something +5 when actually there was -17 in the morning.

[Hartusvuori]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMMbIFnXoAES0a_?format=jpg&name=large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMMbIFnXoAES0a_?format=jpg&name=large)

It won't be about the lack of snow this year. Question remains, how hard are the road bases. Nevertheless, it'll be a winter rallying weekend.

[AnttiL]

These pictures from the Långed stage (also by Tapio / Rallirinki) looked quite gravely

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHO6OsXIAENaIG?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHO6sKXEAAhunx?format=jpg&name=large

[Rallyper]

These pictures from the Långed stage (also by Tapio / Rallirinki) looked quite gravely

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHO6OsXIAENaIG?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHO6sKXEAAhunx?format=jpg&name=large

You don´t see surface in on the road. Just near ditch...
If managed well there should be ice. Let´s wait and see...
Maybe it´s a short transit between bigger parts of the stage?

[pantealex]

So now you should do Pickems too... ;) ;)

Right after when I can pick names from list ... ;)
(like ERC pickems was few years ago)

[DocMS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMMbIFnXoAES0a_?format=jpg&name=large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMMbIFnXoAES0a_?format=jpg&name=large)

It won't be about the lack of snow this year. Question remains, how hard are the road bases. Nevertheless, it'll be a winter rallying weekend.That looks an amazing bit of road for spectating. Anyone any idea what stage this is on?

Or has anyone any good advice on good locations. Difficult this year with new location and my flight today got cancelled so I now don't arrive until late tomorrow night. No time for Recce unfortunately

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[AnttiL]

That looks an amazing bit of road for spectating. Anyone any idea what stage this is on?

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SS16/18 Vindeln

[Rallyper]

Right after when I can pick names from list ... ;)
(like ERC pickems was few years ago)

That is out of my knowledge. Don´t think it´s possible in this forum. Correct me if I´m wrong.

I´d say this is the easiest way of guessing your favourites...

[EstWRC]

Recce interviews https://youtu.be/Yha1YLVM9ys

Hyundai drivers looking more happy and confident than in Monte before the event

Ott:”we are half a year behind with the development”

[Sulland]

One of the challenges up north might be fewer spectators on the stages, and in fewer places. Not as many roads lead into the stages compared to Vārmland, where you have small roads everywhere.

Result could be that we can get more blockages, with no people to help cars up from the ditch, or lying on the side or the roof after hooking in the snowbanks.

There will be safety personnell out, but only 1 here and there, out where they are needed.
Maybe they need snowmobile patrols scattered out along the stages with comms to racecontrol, that will see if a car stops on stage.

Hopefully it will be no problem, but plan for the unexpected is a good principle!

[AnttiL]

Last year Arctic was run without spectators and it went fine

[Sulland]

With eWRC out for the moment, this one could be an alternative to WRC.com
https://rally-base.com/2022/rally-sweden-2022/

[EstWRC]

will they show the shakedown?

dont see it on ALLIVE schedule and i didnt find a youtube link either

[drive]

shakedown link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEEwsvjFDeM

[AnttiL]

will they show the shakedown?

dont see it on ALLIVE schedule and i didnt find a youtube link either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEEwsvjFDeM

EDIT: I was late :D

[EstWRC]

yeah found it also after i wrote it

thanks anyway

[dimviii]

what happened?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMTnuUIXMAwRaIZ?format=png&name=small

[erikli2]

From Jon Armstrong on Twitter:

"Some stages have a nice ice base while others have fresh, soft snow which could rut up a bit and make tyre wear tricky."

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMTxX5QXwAAZrGr?format=jpg&name=medium

[focus206]

what happened?


Did some idiot not like his name is McRae? Just guessing.
He seems like a nice guy
https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1494381227507425282

[TypeR]

Solberg driving with the test car..
ALZ WR 901

[bandit12]

Solberg driving with the test car..
ALZ WR 901
Good ol' gas chamber again?

[satukata]

where you can follow shakedown times? No ewrc :(

[wwbroe]

If you have all-live you can follow times also there, if not try to use rallybase.

[PLuto]

where you can follow shakedown times? No ewrc :(

https://rally-base.com/2022/rally-sweden-2022/

[wwbroe]

Is Alllive working for you guys, are they showing shakedown?

[PLuto]

Is Alllive working for you guys, are they showing shakedown?

Shakedown is going. Unfortunatelly not on All Live...

[AnttiL]

https://www.rallit.fi/esapekka-lappi-fiilis-on-ihan-helvetin-hyva/

Lappi saying the stages are fast, either flat out or really small and technical. And he thinks the first Sunday stage is too simple and fast and should be left out when average speeds could be 150 km/h. Let's see...

[EstWRC]

Amazing pictures from shakedown …..

[TypeR]

Shakedown is going. Unfortunatelly not on All Live...
Samis don't allow 4G signals..? Interrupting reindeers..

[Rallyper]

It´s raining in Umeå this morning. Reported standing water at the end of SD stage.

[eib1]

Neuville stopped?

[wwbroe]

Time of Kalle is correct 3.36.0? I see another time with 3.36.9

[AnttiL]

Hearing that Neuville crashed big time

[AnttiL]

bad weather is the reason for no live broadcast...likely transmitter aeroplane can't fly. Luckily the weather is better during the rally