[WRC] Rally Estonia 15-18 July 2021

[EstWRC]

Rally Guide 1 is out https://rallyestonia.com/userfiles/file/WRCRE2021_Rally_Guide_1_11032021.pdf

24 stages are planned as we can see.

Shakedown on Thursday

like i wrote in the News thread, if everything goes smoothly then 50 000 people are planned to allow but at the moment we are one of the worst in Europe regarding the new COVID cases, so at the moment this plan doesnt look realistic but its only March.

[Tom K]

In important date section they have written: 15 July - Shakedown. Rally Start. SS1. Maybe they've changed plan.

[AnttiL]

The 2021 edition of Rally Estonia will be a run as a 4-day event, one day longer than in 2020, with Start Podium and SS1 on Thursday evening and Finish on Sunday afternoon.

The basic locations will be the same as in 2020. The Rally HQ will be located in the Estonian National Museum and the Service Park next to it on Raadi airfield. The Start and Finish Podium will be on the airfield as last year.

The rally will comprise of 24 Special Stages with the SS distance of ca 320 km. The overall distance including the road sections will be close to 1300 km. Two Special Stages run on Saturday will be in a new region where Rally Estonia stages have never been driven before. The short Tartu Special Stage will be run again near the Service Park at Raadi on Thursday and Saturday evening, but in opposite direction compared to last year. The Power Stage (ca 7,5 km) will be run at Raadi as well, close to the Service Park, immediately followed by the podium.

No Special Stage will be 100% the same as last year.
https://rallyestonia.com/en/competitors/general-information/

[AnttiL]

From the rally guide:


The 2020 edition of Rally Estonia was a big challenge for us in many ways. During the preparation and the event
itself, we introduced several innovations together with the FIA, the WRC Promoter and the Estonian state. In the
process, we all learned a lot. We have done our own analyses and in 2021 we can definitely do it better by planning
ahead. One example here is certainly the management of COVID-19 and the activities that go with it.
Regarding the competitive element, the rally will be one day longer in 2021 and we are introducing new Special
Stages in new areas. Average speeds are rather a bit lower than in the previous year and the stages involve more
forest roads. We will bring the Power Stage directly to the heart of the rally, to the Estonian National Museum, where
the Rally HQ and Service Park are located. This gives us the opportunity to finish WRC Rally Estonia 2021 on the
main podium at the Estonian National Museum.
As our team grows, we will become a rally with about 3,000 organisers.

[drive]

From PlanetMarcus: Strong road program for 2021 #RallyEstonia this summer with 24 special stages and 319.38kms !
Full itinerary here ► https://bit.ly/3ubo71A

[AnttiL]

From PlanetMarcus: Strong road program for 2021 #RallyEstonia this summer with 24 special stages and 319.38kms !
Full itinerary here https://bit.ly/3ubo71A

Seems like Saturday are all new stages, and also some of Sunday as well

[Tauri_J]

Vastsemõisa and Raanitsa Are not new stages. Just different stage names imo.

[drive]

Ticket information was published breafly.... server went down after 8 min .... tickets will be like last year, with different spectator zones

[drive]

Live again https://rallyestonia.com/en/shop

[DoN_cz]

Sigh... I was worried the rallies would end up like this. And I am afraid that Rally Finland will be very similar. What a nonsense anyway. Having 1000 (or whatever is the limit) people in one field is better than having them spread over the whole stage?

[flat_right]

This system is a total BS for me also. Last year I went just for the sake of having our first WRC event. This year, no chance! Literally felt like a sheep moving from one pen to another. For me it is not a rally experience and as all live is very good in my opinion, then will gather some friends and watch it from home.

[cali]

This system is a total BS for me also. Last year I went just for the sake of having our first WRC event. This year, no chance! Literally felt like a sheep moving from one pen to another. For me it is not a rally experience and as all live is very good in my opinion, then will gather some friends and watch it from home.Well I did not feel like a sheep (maybe because I'm not a sheep?), but 3 places out of 4 were total BS. Only straights and nothing to spectate at. Probably not going if these spectator areas are not selected any better

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[flat_right]

Well I did not feel like a sheep (maybe because I'm not a sheep?), but 3 places out of 4 were total BS. Only straights and nothing to spectate at. Probably not going if these spectator areas are not selected any better

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You can already view spectator areas as the rally pass info is now online. In my opinion they are not better. And don't take this "sheep" thing literally :D The point here was that I had to go where I was told and I couldn't choose my own spots (like you said, spectator areas were BS).

[EstWRC]

i dont have anything against the system, it avoids traffic etc. You know theres always the well known and good places where everybody wants to go and it leads into traffic queues. In that sense its a good system.

But for gods sake Mr.Aava, if you make this system then please put at least exciting places for the spectators. What do i see there? Only mainly junctions and then spectators are placed where cars accelerate or vice versa. WTF.

I will skip it this year (cause i cant go on friday anyway bcs of work), i had the same experience as Cali, 3 out of 4 were utterly boring and on Sunday we didnt even bother to be on the second pass of the stage and came home.

[sindroms]

This system is a total BS for me also. Last year I went just for the sake of having our first WRC event. This year, no chance! Literally felt like a sheep moving from one pen to another. For me it is not a rally experience and as all live is very good in my opinion, then will gather some friends and watch it from home.

Logged in to say I will skip Rally Estonia this year too because of this spectating system but as I see everything has already been said. I am really afraid of it will become a new normality all around the world...

[flat_right]

i dont have anything against the system, it avoids traffic etc. You know theres always the well known and good places where everybody wants to go and it leads into traffic queues. In that sense its a good system.

But for gods sake Mr.Aava, if you make this system then please put at least exciting places for the spectators. What do i see there? Only mainly junctions and then spectators are placed where cars accelerate or vice versa. WTF.

I will skip it this year (cause i cant go on friday anyway bcs of work), i had the same experience as Cali, 3 out of 4 were utterly boring and on Sunday we didnt even bother to be on the second pass of the stage and came home.

Yes, you made a very good point! The system is not bad but the spectator areas are bad.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't yet info about how much tickets will be sold. But what do you think, if the amount available will be the same as last year (16 000), will they sell out or all the people who feel like we do, will skip this year and you could buy tickets on the last day? Also taking into account that the price is higher this year (79€).

[Jewy46]

If Finland is like this (with very restricted spectator areas) would it be worth going? :(

Surely this thing is very hard to police in large forest areas or am I being naive?

[drive]

see this video from last year - some official places, some not.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba26vBsKvVY

[cali]

i dont have anything against the system, it avoids traffic etc. You know theres always the well known and good places where everybody wants to go and it leads into traffic queues. In that sense its a good system.

But for gods sake Mr.Aava, if you make this system then please put at least exciting places for the spectators. What do i see there? Only mainly junctions and then spectators are placed where cars accelerate or vice versa. WTF.

I will skip it this year (cause i cant go on friday anyway bcs of work), i had the same experience as Cali, 3 out of 4 were utterly boring and on Sunday we didnt even bother to be on the second pass of the stage and came home.Yes, same here, I saw Powerstage already at home (Tallinn). My wife was very surprised and really glad to see me back so early. And had much better coverage of the rally on our way back to home...

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[masa90]

Hmm shame to hear so many negative reviews. Hope the experience gets better this year atleast.

[EstWRC]

Aava was a guest today on a rally podcast.

On 28th June they will know how much people they can allow on the stages, our Healthcare will make a decision then.

Said the first stage on Saturday will be very challenging and they predicted a lot can happen on that stage. Many rhytm changes on the stage with fast parts and also very technical parts, also some tarmac in the middle of the stage.

As i understood his favourite is the Sundays first stage called Neeruti, he said this is the type of technical stage that they have searched for the rally.

[meh]

The sale of WRC Rally Estonia rally passes will start on Friday, June 4 at 10.00 (EET)

https://rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/news/uudis/2021/06/03/the-sale-of-wrc-rally-estonia-rally-passes-will-start-on-friday-june-4-at-1000/

[satukata]

The sale of WRC Rally Estonia rally passes will start on Friday, June 4 at 10.00 (EET)

https://rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/news/uudis/2021/06/03/the-sale-of-wrc-rally-estonia-rally-passes-will-start-on-friday-june-4-at-1000/

There is 16 different passes. Any tip what pass to choose? Nice spectating points?

[EstWRC]

Well we chose RP3 although I wanted RP10 which was sold out on the first day.

Theres good places in every packAge I would say.

[Oliverk]

All pretty much garbage. But chose nr 6

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list:https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/68114-rally-estonia-2021/

Lukyanuk with Fabia is cool.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4bRHMKXwAEY9DX?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4bRHMGWEAMVpeL?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

Otherwise quite short list

[pantealex]

Otherwise quite short list

- all tourist drivers missing

- very few local (and other baltic) drivers

- no private Fiesta WRC´s

[mknight]

Is that the final list? ( a bit early?)

Genuinely surprised by no Lappi. Though since his standings are high atm he doesn't need to "prove" anything now and in case he doesn't get a deal he can enter Finland.

EDIT: Or he already signed a deal. In that case it would have to be MSport cause Ogier likely hasn't decided on 2022 yet.

Lukyanuk with Fabia is even bigger surprise. He is not entered to Liepaja yet either? Does that mean he parted with Sainteloc for some reason or just that they are don't want to start in WRC? Probably the last option.

EDIT: Another nice catch is that Lykyanuk is WRC3, which means among others that he will start after all 10 WRC2s. That further improves his chances to win Rally2, which would be first time this year that a non WRC2 driver does.

[pantealex]

Is that the final list? ( a bit early?)



Normally entries for WRC rally closes 5 weeks before rally...
so not early at all, late for my standards.

[AnttiL]

Is that the final list? ( a bit early?)

Genuinely surprised by no Lappi. Though since his standings are high atm he doesn't need to "prove" anything now and in case he doesn't get a deal he can enter Finland.

EDIT: Or he already signed a deal. In that case it would have to be MSport cause Ogier likely hasn't decided on 2022 yet.

Lukyanuk with Fabia is even bigger surprise. He is not entered to Liepaja yet either? Does that mean he parted with Sainteloc for some reason or just that they are don't want to start in WRC? Probably the last option.

EDIT: Another nice catch is that Lykyanuk is WRC3, which means among others that he will start after all 10 WRC2s. That further improves his chances to win Rally2, which would be first time this year that a non WRC2 driver does.

And no Ingram

[rp]

And no Ingram

Not a surprise, because Estonia was not part of his program... (CRO,P,I,B,GR,E)

[cali]

Not a surprise, because Estonia was not part of his program... (CRO,P,I,B,GR,E)It was sarcasm

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[Us44]

Lukyanuk with Fabia is even bigger surprise. He is not entered to Liepaja yet either? Does that mean he parted with Sainteloc for some reason or just that they are don't want to start in WRC? Probably the last option.


I think it easier to rent a Fabia in the Baltics rather that doing all the logistics for getting the Citroen to Estonia.

[AnttiL]

Not a surprise, because Estonia was not part of his program... (CRO,P,I,B,GR,E)

Thanks, I tried to search for Ingram's program but couldn't find it, only mention of six rallies this year...I think he announced it on Absolute Rally podcast?

[polomayu]

And no Solans also.

[jacko]

I think it easier to rent a Fabia in the Baltics rather that doing all the logistics for getting the Citroen to Estonia.
Well, his team Saintéloc Junior Team is already there for Sean Johnston. But it's clear that Citroën isn't a major sponsor for Lukyanuk otherwise they would get everything done to give this 'one of the best rallydrivers outthere' more runs because it's a bit crazy this Champ didn't drive (included testing) for 6 months and it was 9 months ago the last gravel rally.
It's good for the general experience to have a go in another car but I think he would prefer his C3 to get the car even more better.

[Us44]

Saw an article that Lukyanuk will be driving a Fabia from SRT, his regular co-driver can't spend so much time in rallies so the former co-driver of Gryazin will step in. This opportunity has come thanks to Alexander Rzhevkin (https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/19259-alexander-rzhevkin/).

[AnttiL]

From what I've heard the power stage will be an extended version of the Tartu super special, like a long Mickey Mouse stage. Not impressive.

[Franky]

Lets wait till they've finished building the stage before jumping to conclusions. Obviously it will be more of a park stage than a forest stage.

[mknight]

Last year's Power Stage was too Toyota-friendly so they had to do something about that? :D

[Erki]

A forest stage with the last couple km on town streets would be good I think. I think it was two years ago at the candidate event when they had the last stage in the actual center of the town, and it looked good. Fully street stage would be mickey mouse, though.

[cali]

A forest stage with the last couple km on town streets would be good I think. I think it was two years ago at the candidate event when they had the last stage in the actual center of the town, and it looked good. Fully street stage would be mickey mouse, though.From forest to Tartu city centre? Highly unlikely. But then again I would'nt be surprised if these organisers would think of money first and everything rest will have to adapt

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[Erki]

Actually, indeed, I clearly didn't think this one through! Can't recall any stage-suitable roads even near enough to the town border.

[AnttiL]

Yes, when I said it will be a Mickey Mouse stage, I didn't mean a street stage. It will likely be a gravel stage, but an artificial route, the route is not visible on satellite images.

[Tauri_J]

I wouldnt exactly call it a mickey mouse stage. But they have built a lot of roads there. Some of the road is very very narrow. Especially one place where a dump truck had a rollover during the building phase. Lots of variations how to run the stage.

[seb_sh]

The entry list for this rally is absolutely mouthwatering. In WRC there are the usual suspects but WRC2/3 is looking great, i think 5-6 drivers could potentially win and all 5 manufacturers have good representation, only Lappi is missing (and well, Veiby but you know...).

[RS]

The entry list for this rally is absolutely mouthwatering. In WRC there are the usual suspects but WRC2/3 is looking great, i think 5-6 drivers could potentially win and all 5 manufacturers have good representation, only Lappi is missing (and well, Veiby but you know...).

Expect some eye-popping times from Gryazin.

[mknight]

Expect some eye-popping times from Gryazin.

I do, but I won't bet anything that he gets to finish in one piece.

[Tauri_J]

Took some pictures from the powerstage. Totally new section which is situated on the east side of the landing strip. Last years track is on the western side.
These are taken from the eastern side. Western side is also improved with new sections.

https://i.postimg.cc/3k68z3fn/IMG-20210625-172525.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3k68z3fn) https://i.postimg.cc/LYFH6NpP/IMG-20210625-172739.jpg (https://postimg.cc/LYFH6NpP) https://i.postimg.cc/zbwqLKzc/IMG-20210625-172940.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zbwqLKzc) https://i.postimg.cc/PNhtg3Ks/IMG-20210625-173049.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PNhtg3Ks)

https://i.postimg.cc/1f7sN9Ss/IMG-20210625-173201.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1f7sN9Ss) https://i.postimg.cc/1V9sDX45/IMG-20210625-173351.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1V9sDX45) https://i.postimg.cc/bdTzpxFG/IMG-20210625-173512.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bdTzpxFG) https://i.postimg.cc/Wh1s3dQ5/IMG-20210625-173742.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Wh1s3dQ5)

[Tauri_J]

Should be something like this. Sorry for the very rough drawing.

https://i.postimg.cc/vxHbyMqc/Powerstage.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vxHbyMqc)

[Tauri_J]

Maps Are out.

https://www.rallyestonia.ee/pealtvaatajale/uldinfo/uldkaart/

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Estonia-2021

[EstWRC]

you can now also buy day pass if you dont want to buy the whole rally one https://www.rallyestonia.ee/en/passes?rp=day

[meh]

There have not been much rain in Estonia lately, if to not say it have been extremely dry.

If to look forecast, like https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-table/2-588335/Estonia/Tartu/Tartu%20linn/Tartu - there is not much to expect as well.

From M-Sport PET video it's quite assumable, that dust can be quite an issue for this rally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SduKPQz8Mo&feature=youtu.be

And as road is most-likely try, sweeping for front-runners on Friday is proper workday.

[Tauri_J]

Should be good with 3 minutes gap.

Here's PS video filmed on a bicycle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOe-C6mBwgQ&ab_channel=PriitPullerits

[mknight]

Should be good with 3 minutes gap.

Here's PS video filmed on a bicycle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOe-C6mBwgQ&ab_channel=PriitPullerits

Well I am skeptical...seems like one car width with open grass next to it all the time. How do they avoid driving with half-car off the gravel most of the time?
Haybales/anticuts on all corners? But what about om the "almost" straights with small changes of direction?

The other thing is the character of the stage, Torsby PS in Sweden was partly artificial but was similar to parts of the rally, same for the artificial finish of the Rally Finland PS. This doesn't look similar to the rest of the rally to me (but I haven't studied this years route).

When hearing about this I jokingly said they made the new PS cause the fast PS from last year suited Toyota and not Tanaks Hyundai. Now I am starting to believe that's the real reason. Though I do agree that the last part of PS last year was boring to watch.

[EstWRC]

they made it because they wanted the power stage finish near service park (just few hundred meters away) , not because it didnt suit Hyunday

[linni]

Well I am skeptical...seems like one car width with open grass next to it all the time. How do they avoid driving with half-car off the gravel most of the time?


It`s optical illusion mostly. The track seems to be very narrow, but check at the tractor tracks.
This concrete part is ex soviet miltary airbase runaway. And they are wide.

[AnttiL]

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/07/08/route-preview-rally-estonia-2021/

Route preview. Only one stage similar from last year, a few modified. One is reversed, four are completely new. A broad range from fast to slow with creative solutions but also brute chicanes and purpose-built sections. The power stage will stir up discussion.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5ztBPPX0AQPzsv?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5ztBPPXsAQsSIg?format=jpg&name=medium

[holi]

Hi!I bought a ticket but I don't like watching rallies in the fan zone. I know what the organizer says, but what is the situation in Estonia? Do you think it will be possible to sleep the day before somewhere on the super stage to see the unofficial rally the next day in the forest? will it be a big problem? Rally Poland was supposed to be without fans. I watched it all over the place and nobody interrupted

[AnttiL]

Last year Estonia was pretty strict, even deploying enduro bike officers checking forests

[TypeR]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-to-debut-2022-spec-engine-on-rally-estonia/

Desperately using last straws to make any differences?

Like speed had been the problem.on last events..

Don't know how smart is it to use new engine on a very important rally..

[mknight]

They likely needed to homologate the engine for 2022 anyway with the deadline. So they did a "last" upgrade.

I wouldn't expect reliability issues from these kind of fine-tunes tbh.

[Sulland]

Luky in a Skoda will be interesting. If he gels with the Fabia he will be very quick!

[dimviii]

Mads Østberg

Great team effort on our two day development test in Finland @CitroenRacing
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Im taking these Rolling on the floor laughing 8 dampers from the test in my carry-on bag for @RallyEstonia

https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg

[mknight]

Citroen is definitely the team that's throwing most money at WRC2 both this year and last year. A bit like Skoda used to in 2017-2018.

[Andre Oliveira]

The car improvement is real.

[AnttiL]

Citroen is definitely the team that's throwing most money at WRC2 both this year and last year. A bit like Skoda used to in 2017-2018.

What about Hyundai with the new car?

[er88]

What about Hyundai with the new car?Despite what Adamo has said recently, they've been struggling to find the required improvement from their current R5.
Fingers crossed for them they've made some steps in the last month or 2.

[EstWRC]

Despite what Adamo has said recently, they've been struggling to find the required improvement from their current R5.
Fingers crossed for them they've made some steps in the last month or 2.

interesting

ive heard other things. Even Paddon said in one interview that the car looks very neutral and good to drive for him

[mknight]

What about Hyundai with the new car?

Sure, but that's towards "future" at the expense of no development of current car and close to no starts.

Citroen is the one spending most money directly so far this year. Skoda still uses some money too, while MSport seems to be at minimal levels, but at least shows up for starts and does a test before every now and then.

[EstWRC]

its rally week and i guess i can say "its coming home"....it has been a very hot and dry summer, temperatures have been around 25-30 (and even up) degrees every day for the last month, and the same weather continues this week.

I dont expect big things on Friday, the guys mostly know the stages on that day but on Saturday there are new stages and region that even Tänak hasnt driven. Aava is saying in every interview that the first stage on Saturday, SS10 will be decisive one. Its very narrow and technical in places with rhytm changes, also a 1.5km long tarmac section which will eat your tires if you will go and attack there according to him, and at some point it should go very narrow and the forest is so close to the road that youre like driving in the tunnel.

So, he expects big gaps there or some happenings, he also said if you dont get into rhytm on that stage then you wont also get the rhytm on next stage on SS11.

Tänak is definitely the favourite for the win, excellent starting position and the speed on gravel with the Hyundai this year has been on 2019 level. Kalle is definitely the next big favourite, although he cant push like crazy too IMO because he has already 3 super rallys before Estonia.

Difficult to predict the rest, Ogier doesnt have to push because he has a good points lead and im sure he is happy with 4-5th place and PS points. Evans and Estonia hasnt been the most happiest couple in recent year but he needs big points to reduce the deficit. Taka has been brilliant this season and was very impressive also last year until the crash. Breen was second last year and Thierry showed also very good speed before the damage.

Well, all in all, as it is a fast rally it will be very tight with the gaps, maybe Tänak and Kalle will runaway from others at some point but this is just purely my observation and prediction.

I will be also there and i will be on RP3 https://www.rallyestonia.ee/passid

cant wait for Thursday!

[AnttiL]

One more thing to add to EstWRC's analysis: this rally won't be so rough that Hyundai should be worried with their durability. I don't think Tänak can be stopped. If Rovanperä can get a clean run he will be up there as well.

The three first Saturday stages all have a tarmac section so tyres will be worn.

There's a possibility of rain over the weekend, I wonder how soft the small and newly built roads will become in that case?

[AnttiL]

Despite what Adamo has said recently, they've been struggling to find the required improvement from their current R5.
Fingers crossed for them they've made some steps in the last month or 2.

Huttunen also said in an interview "no comments" about the new car performance...

[AnttiL]

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/articles/press-releases/hyundai-motorsport-returns-to-rally-estonia.html

https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/release/2021/rd07-preview/

[mknight]

Btw. last year two Toyotas had their (Michelin) tires explode for no apparent reason on straights on the tarmac parts. Wonder if anything like that happens this time if someone runs softs very long (Sordo had one soft explode on motorway in Portugal).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport preview
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/m-sport-s-emerging-fab-four-to-the-fore-in-estonia

[AnttiL]

Btw. last year two Toyotas had their (Michelin) tires explode for no apparent reason on straights on the tarmac parts. Wonder if anything like that happens this time if someone runs softs very long (Sordo had one soft explode on motorway in Portugal).

Both times that was the first stage of the loop, at the end of a 20 km stage.

[AnttiL]

I looked at the power stage again and thought that maybe we'll see Rally2 cars getting power stage points? It's a very narrow and twisty stage with nothing where the WRC cars can take advantage of their excessive power (with so low grip on a soft road) or aero (all low-speed corners), but they are instead struggling on the tight turns with their center diff. The average speeds on this stage will be very low, something like 70 km/h maybe?

I'm still amazed FIA and WRC Promotoer has accepted this stage as power stage.

[Tauri_J]

I think you are reaching a little. New part is faster than old one and I have seen that they are watering the stage frequently. Aava himself said if some rain comes before the rally then everything should be fine. It will make that fine gravel rock hard.

I think PS winner should average 80kmh.

[AnttiL]

I think you are reaching a little. New part is faster than old one and I have seen that they are watering the stage frequently. Aava himself said if some rain comes before the rally then everything should be fine. It will make that fine gravel rock hard.

I think PS winner should average 80kmh.

What do you mean with old and new?

[Tauri_J]

I mean the new powerstage. It consists last year's micke mouse stage(59,8 kmh) and this years new section. Obviously its narrow and twisty but they should average over 80kmh. Just my opinion so I could be wrong.

[AnttiL]

I mean the new powerstage. It consists last year's micke mouse stage(59,8 kmh) and this years new section. Obviously its narrow and twisty but they should average over 80kmh. Just my opinion so I could be wrong.

Yes, but even the "old" section, the super special, is almost completely new from last year.

This year's power stage will contain 13 hairpins and 17 square corners. In six kilometres. Even on wide tarmac that would be slow. The longest straights are 300 and 200 metres long.

It actually gets wider once it joins the super special. And at the same time I have to admit I was surprised last year how slow the super special was in the end!

[EstWRC]

SS10, the first one on Saturday

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6JvKb-XMAICKZU?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6JvLXVXIAAxJSP?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6JvMzOXoAA8HsM?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6JvOvkX0AEYIdI?format=jpg&name=large


SS11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6J6qc3XsAUHcti?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6J6rfNWUAE4CY_?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6J6sYqWQAANu5i?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6J6tlwWUAMD_Td?format=jpg&name=large



all credit goes to this link https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1414815565420670977?s=20
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1414828168343662595?s=20

[mknight]

I'm still amazed FIA and WRC Promotoer has accepted this stage as power stage.

I seem to recall there was something in the sporting rules saying the PS should have the same character as the rally. But as you say in the end it's down to FIA and promoter accepting it.

Wonder if some drives/teams do some very special setups for it compromising rest of Sunday. But on a rally like this differences are often small so it might be risky for anyone who is not in superrally.

Not sure about Rally2 cars doing well. Sure they likely won't have many disadvantages, but can't see that many advantages either since it likely won't be crazy narrow between concrete blocks like that famous 2017 germany stage.

[Tauri_J]

I think that was at Wales Rally GB, when Great Orme was to be power stage. That was totally different from other stages because it was on tarmac. At least here, we still on gravel.

[EstWRC]

Kristian Sohlberg
@Krisse_Sohlberg
Interesting SS10/14 in @RallyEstonia
Mostly very narrow, starts more technical, a just over 1km highway section after 16km, back to narrow. A similar section towards the end before narrows again. Very nice and difficult stage. Lots of artificial cutstoppers. Lots of loose #wrc

https://twitter.com/Krisse_Sohlberg/status/1414868973745844237?s=20

[cali]

Seems like a better road selection than 2020. Interested to watch it, but this time I will watch it at home.

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[meh]

I'm struggling to decide to go or to watch from home as well. Probably final decision on Friday.

[AnttiL]

Seems like a better road selection than 2020.

They are using like 90% of last year's roads, but in different configurations, and Kanepi is reversed. There are four completely new stages, since the rally is now normal length compared to last year's shortened version.

But I agree, the stages are good, there's a good mix of fast and slow, and there are difficult sections.

[EstWRC]

SS10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5fMl9OI00
SS11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMVrNzEm6BQ


but not fully, parts skipped

[AnttiL]

SS10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5fMl9OI00
SS11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMVrNzEm6BQ


but not fully, parts skipped

Both videos were linked on my blog. The GoPro fisheye effect takes out all the visual information from the video, all corners are straightened and crests flattened. But at least you see what kind of roads the stages contain.

[cali]

They are using like 90% of last year's roads, but in different configurations, and Kanepi is reversed. There are four completely new stages, since the rally is now normal length compared to last year's shortened version.

But I agree, the stages are good, there's a good mix of fast and slow, and there are difficult sections.That's what I meant in nutshell, yes

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[EstWRC]

Both videos were linked on my blog. The GoPro fisheye effect takes out all the visual information from the video, all corners are straightened and crests flattened. But at least you see what kind of roads the stages contain.

havent had the time to look your blog yet.

but agreed, the camera always takes the effects away....every year we recce some of the stages in Rally Finland and its totally different compared to onboard vids, you have goosebumps when driving them, same for Estonia when i last time recced some stages in 2019 but from the vids it seems its nothing special

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6LX7eNXEAM5u41?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6LX_IzWUAkGU4_?format=jpg&name=large


credit https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1414930732204662786?s=20

[EstWRC]

Seems like a better road selection than 2020. Interested to watch it, but this time I will watch it at home.

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i had the same plan but in the end my friends really convinced me, so i gave up and agreed but i already regret it.

maybe many people here are wondering why we talk like that after we got the wrc round to our home. the problem is Aava and co-s stupidity with the spectator system and places. The places are just so so so boring and people want to choose the stages and spectating places themselves. I really hope the other rallies wont start copying this system, especially Rally Finland.

Besides that, you cant even bring your own food and water to the stage, they made an exception this year with the water because of the heatwave but as i understand you can only bring a little bottle. In Rally Finland you can bring basically anything to the stage side, i mean food and drink wise, guys barbecuing sausages there or making an egg or coffee in the morning with the gas grill and etc.

and we have to pay 80 euros for this. The ticket sale is mildly said shit this year, last year all the tickets (15 000) were sold in one day! This year the tickets came on sale on 4th of June and so far only 3 different passes (out of 15) have been sold out. So i guess many people had enough after seeing how the system worked last year and they decided this year they dont want it.

Interesting to see if they will change something or not after this year with not such a good ticket sale but i really doubt as long as they get big money from the government.

Im really happy that we got our WRC round, it has always been a dream for me, but this spectating system just doesnt work.

[cali]

i had the same plan but in the end my friends really convinced me, so i gave up and agreed but i already regret it.

maybe many people here are wondering why we talk like that after we got the wrc round to our home. the problem is Aava and co-s stupidity with the spectator system and places. The places are just so so so boring and people want to choose the stages and spectating places themselves. I really hope the other rallies wont start copying this system, especially Rally Finland.

Besides that, you cant even bring your own food and water to the stage, they made an exception this year with the water because of the heatwave but as i understand you can only bring a little bottle. In Rally Finland you can bring basically anything to the stage side, i mean food and drink wise, guys barbecuing sausages there or making an egg or coffee in the morning with the gas grill and etc.

and we have to pay 80 euros for this. The ticket sale is mildly said shit this year, last year all the tickets (15 000) were sold in one day! This year the tickets came on sale on 4th of June and so far only 3 different passes (out of 15) have been sold out. So i guess many people had enough after seeing how the system worked last year and they decided this year they dont want it.

Interesting to see if they will change something or not after this year with not such a good ticket sale but i really doubt as long as they get big money from the government.

Im really happy that we got our WRC round, it has always been a dream for me, but this spectating system just doesnt work.I completely agree with you. This ultra capitalist system has really backfired for the organisers. I have many friends who are not going this year. Most of them are gathering at their friends summer houses, they set up screens to watch rally and have a good time.

Rally for me is experience with some wow moments, but also an adventure when I can just pick my spots or even if I have to walk many kms it's part of an adventure.

This however is not what I (dare to say WE) have not used to and it's certainly isn't positive experience. Last years Rally Estonia was the worst WRC event for me ever. Just completely boring with pointless spectating areas. It killed my appetite for 2021 edition.

We see and hear ads on TV and radio every day and friend of mine who's a bit connected says ticket sales are very worrysome

Hopefully the corporative mindset will break and they will change the system for the future.

IMHO the Power Stage is complete bull...in an otherwise interesting route.

Still, hopefully we have a fantastic rally with excellent performances

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[bomber21]

Wow, I could not even think what you are describing guys. I have been to some rallies abroad and to Acropolis and I was free to carry with me whatever I wanted and stay where I wanted (always respecting safety and marshalls).
I was considering to visit Rally Estonia at some point but after this info, no.
It is a pity for Estonian people whose unbelievable passion I witnessed in Catalunya 2019.

[cali]

Wow, I could not even think what you are describing guys. I have been to some rallies abroad and to Acropolis and I was free to carry with me whatever I wanted and stay where I wanted (always respecting safety and marshalls).
I was considering to visit Rally Estonia at some point but after this info, no.Hopefully next year it will be more spectator friendly

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[flat_right]

Totally agree with EstWRC and cali. I went last year and even already then it was just because WRC came to Estonia and nothing else. If they wouldn't have had big All Live screens in spectating areas, it would have been complete disaster in terms on experience. This was actually a nice idea. If you arrived early, then you could see what is happening on the previous stage and also it gave a good overview what is happening live. Although we Estonians brag about that we have wifi in the forest then actually, there are many many places, where the coverage is bad, especially when you have many fans at one place. Otherwise, just seeing cars going fast on the straight isn't my type of rally experience.

I think this year, when they knew that the number of spectators is going to be 20 000, then they should have let everyone choose where they want to go. I can imagine that it was very hard to predict in April/May, what is going to happen with the virus but there should have been some solution. They are smart guys. And 20k people, spread around many km isn't worse than club, festival or theater events that are happening without any restrictions now. And my suggestion would have been that, create some spectator areas with All live, catering etc and make it +5€ or something. So you can go to Pasamägi or Alakülja jump where people would want to go anyway. Or some tickets would have been more expensive and they would have included these famous places.

And I also think that rally should be attractive for people that are fans or more than fans. What I mean is that these are the people who will buy tickets, invite their friends with them, talk and advertise this event during lunches and coffee breaks etc. At least with me it has been like this that in previous years, I brought many friends with me who know what is rallying, who is Ott Täank but they have no idea where to go or what would be the cool places to watch. But this year, when those "magnets" that bring friends along, are not going, then this might be one of the reasons that there is so such a low interest.

[EstWRC]

well yeah its not all negative, there are good things too

everything is very like modern, lets say compared to Finland or Spain where i have been, the big screens are indeed very good to follow the stages that you arent spectating. The parking and getting to the stage is very good, at least at the places where i was last year. The system that you just scan the QR code from the magazine and it automatically opens Waze app in your phone and directs you to the stage is very good. You get discounts from Circle K station with the rally pass, food -20%, carwash -25%, all fuels -7s/l


but if the spectating system sucks then it all doesnt matter :laugh:

[Rallyper]

Just over 30 hours until closing Pickems. Don´t forget.

NOTE: I hade to move closing time to 1800 hrs CET .

[meh]

I think organizers have done amazing job to make this rally happen and make it enjoyable for drivers, local governments units and land owners - I think one of the reason to limit spectators access to fields and forests is to avoid fights and problems with land-owners. Often there have been problems with ruined fields. Additionally organizers try to spread spectators to large area to avoid traffic jams.

But this is also the reason, why a lot of rally fans will skip this event as spectator on the event and follow it other ways, most likely including me.

[EstWRC]

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https://www.facebook.com/WorldRally/photos/pcb.10158510299080678/10158510298765678

[svstock]

Interesting viewing 15:01-30:31
Saturday stage starting with sand quarry and going very fast on.
https://youtu.be/FI5qXY7Z_ao?t=901

very informative show if you understand Estonian :)

[er88]

Think it'll be a difficult weekend for Seb. Cleaning looks like it'll have a big effect, plus he isn't at his best on ultra fast rallies and it's harder to make back any time lost.

[Oliverk]

Tänaks told media that Power stage is pure garbage. With litte more tactful words.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6Q-9k4WEAAZOeN?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

Tänaks told media that Power stage is pure garbage. With litte more tactful words.

But it was made for Hyundai!

[AnttiL]

Tänaks told media that Power stage is pure garbage. With litte more tactful words.

Got a link?

[Oliverk]

Got a link?

https://sport.postimees.ee/7293127/tanak-rally-estonia-eel-punktikatse-on-kellegi-vaga-huvitav-sunnitis#_ga=2.232412767.1775049986.1625837009-1824416426.1590934939

[the sniper]

Rally for me is experience with some wow moments, but also an adventure when I can just pick my spots or even if I have to walk many kms it's part of an adventure.

While most of it admittedly comes down to spectator management, safety plans, compliance with regulations, legal liability, ect, part of me thinks that some Rally organisers nowadays are completely dethatched from what it is to be a modern day, herded spectator. Sometimes I wonder how many organisers, usually older guys, actually got into the sport during this era where spectators are just 'accommodated' where it logistically works best, regardless of their experience. I would imagine that most organisers came to love the sport as real spectators, getting a plan together, chasing the cars, out for an adventure and the thrill and satisfaction of experiencing a great spot you've discovered. Yet, doing it officially on many rallies, spectators nowadays rarely get that, they can just say they saw the rally... The whole spirit of it is lost.

Maybe this is just the way is has to be in some countries, but the passing of the true rally experience must be lamented.

As it is though, as you guys will no doubt have seen over the years, we moaned here about Rally GB, but your set up sounds way worse. Rally GB was primarily organised the way it was out of fear of and compliance with UK H&S culture, but there was always a door left ajar for the 'freedom' option, so long as you didn't take the p*ss. Whereas it seems you're getting screwed largely for financial gain? The food and drink situation sounds like a joke!

[RS]

Did Lukyanuk do a pre-event test?

[Tauri_J]

Did Lukyanuk do a pre-event test?

yes

[TypeR]

Hyundai has new cars for Tänak, Neuville and Breen

[RS]

yes

Good. I couldn't find any videos.. is there not a communal WRC2/3 pre-event test any more?

[Tauri_J]

Good. I couldn't find any videos.. is there not a communal WRC2/3 pre-event test any more?

I think I saw it on Instagram.

[satukata]

Hyundai has new cars for Tänak, Neuville and Breen

and first time this years new engine version... More power!

[AnttiL]

Shakedown is live! Some puddles on the road

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkz4_BEsKgM&ab_channel=FIAWorldRallyChampionship

[EstWRC]

yeah there has been some rain in south in couple of last days but the weather is very hot

[AnttiL]

yeah there has been some rain in south in couple of last days but the weather is very hot

My only concern is that heavy rain could damage the smallest roads

[AnttiL]

Tänak 2.1 s faster than Evans (who was faster than Ogier and Neuville)

[EstWRC]

very heavy landing for Ott from the big jump, also a little too left it seemed

[EstWRC]

My only concern is that heavy rain could damage the smallest roads

it hasnt rained that much as far as i know, just some heavy showers

[EstWRC]

Ogier back to service, all the rest waitng for second run

[satukata]

Ogier back to service, all the rest waitng for second run

Do you have rallyradio?

[ceemic]

very heavy landing for Ott from the big jump, also a little too left it seemed

In stage end Ott told to Martin, that he hit his right elbow and hurt it a little bit.

[masa90]

So did they manage to sell all the tickets? I saw some quite sales for them (not sure if they were legit) and it seems last year quite many people werent happy with the experience?

Well, I will have to watch this one at home and am happy to just have rally in the first place 🙂

[Tauri_J]

Only 3 rally pass packages were sold out.

[EstWRC]

In stage end Ott told to Martin, that he hit his right elbow and hurt it a little bit.

i would be more worried about the back, like i said it seemed quite a nasty landing

but seems it isnt bothering him considering the time of second pass

E: Kalle and Ott in class of their own at the moment and everybody coming now back to service

[EstWRC]

Do you have rallyradio?

no radio today but official radio will be this one https://starfm.tv3.ee

[satukata]

Nice to see Suninen 3rd fastest!

[satukata]

And bulacia fastest WRC2

[masa90]

Well that is shame to hear. Lets see how rally finland does later.

[flat_right]

very heavy landing for Ott from the big jump, also a little too left it seemed

https://twitter.com/tarvo52/status/1415558228402970628

Here is the landing. Reminds me a bit Evans 2019 in Rally Estonia.

[Tauri_J]

Weird, he knows that place very well.

[EstWRC]

looked much worse from inside

[EstWRC]

ruts at the start


https://www.upload.ee/image/13314115/SD_satrt.JPG

[Antonis9]

OGIER 1st at the 3d passage

[EstWRC]

very even times now for the guys who did their 3rd run a much later, Tänak, Kalle and Evans all within 1 second

[Antonis9]

very even times now for the guys who did their 3rd run a much later, Tänak, Kalle and Evans all within 1 second

6.2 km in 2.50 min wow 🤩

[meh]

First I checked that M-Sport shows really nice pace, but no others have done their 3rd pass as well and now things are "normalized". Seems a bit Tänak vs Toyotas battle to expect.

WRC2/RC2 field is really interesting, quite many candidates for win.

[Lead]

First I checked that M-Sport shows really nice pace, but no others have done their 3rd pass as well and now things are "normalized". Seems a bit Tänak vs Toyotas battle to expect.

WRC2/RC2 field is really interesting, quite many candidates for win.
My guess main fight in WRC2 will be bewtween Gryazin, Ostberg and Mikkelsen. Hyundai is too unreliable on these fast flowing roads (Solberg, Huttunen). WRC3 Lukyanuk could put up some good times, but its been long since he drove Skoda (or is it his first time in Fabia?), dont know, but one test before rally in new car isnt much to already compete at top. Will see.
There could be some surprises from local guys (good road position) especially I think Kaur could show some good pace.

EDIT: Just saw Lukyanuk is fastest Rally2 driver in shakedown.

[Lead]

There is very fast drivers on WRC3 and considering road position they could easily beat WRC2 drivers this weekend.

[AnttiL]

6.2 km in 2.50 min wow

Shakedown is much faster than the actual stages

EDIT: 131 km/h for Kalle. Also 5s quicker than Tänak's fastest time last year.

[drive]

Shakedown video https://youtu.be/cSwh06sBcgM

[Rallyper]

There is very fast drivers on WRC3 and considering road position they could easily beat WRC2 drivers this weekend.

Easily? No.

[er88]

The R5 battle overall will be very interesting this weekend.

[AnttiL]

There is very fast drivers on WRC3 and considering road position they could easily beat WRC2 drivers this weekend.

Kaur and Luky. Perhaps they start suffering from the road position by bigger ruts?

[er88]

Kaur and Luky. Perhaps they start suffering from the road position by bigger ruts?I would definitely prefer to be running near the front of the R5 cars, ruts could be an issue in the twistier/ slower sections

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6WUyP9XsAck5S4?format=jpg&name=large

[seb_sh]

This stage looks like Australia :p

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Taka giving it some on the SSS ! :D

[EstWRC]

I have a feeling it will be hard and awesome fight between Tänak and kalle.

[er88]

I have a feeling it will be hard and awesome fight between Tänak and kalle.Let's hope, would like to see a battle rather than pure domination from Ott. Although you'll maybe disagree ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great run by Gus.

[Sulland]

Why no splits on Ss1 for all live.
makes it all more interesting. Now it is no way to see differences.

[RS]

Is this a short proper stage or city stage?

[Mirek]

Is this a short proper stage or city stage?

Gravel stage but slow and twisty.

[meh]

Is this a short proper stage or city stage?

Short proper city stage ;)

[EstWRC]

Let's hope, would like to see a battle rather than pure domination from Ott. Although you'll maybe disagree ;)

Nope. I actually really wish this.

[meh]

Personally I would not be surprised, when Rovanperä is faster than Tänak. The question for me is, how many risks they actually take to set those times. Really waiting tomorrows stages already.

[dimviii]

Luky Mads and Jari with same time

[Sulland]

What is this pop-off issue that Hyundai has with several cars. Is it a production issue, setup issue, or just bad luck?

[mknight]

What is this pop-off issue that Hyundai has with several cars. Is it a production issue, setup issue, or just bad luck?

3rd time in "consecutive" rallies (Huttunen almost whole rally on Sardinia, Veiby whole Liepaja and now Solberg).

Really strange on and "old" car with seemingly no big (joker) upgrades this year. Should be reliable then.

[Mirek]

AFAIK pop-off valve is not designed by the teams but it's FIA supplied part. Usually when some cars had more issues than others it was because of its location in the engine bay (temperature). I remember DS3 R5 had a lot of pop-off issues.

[denkimi]

Personally I would not be surprised, when Rovanperä is faster than Tänak. The question for me is, how many risks they actually take to set those times. Really waiting tomorrows stages already.
I would be suprised if rovanpera gets on the podium.

But we'll see. He has suprised me in the past before.

[EstWRC]

So suninen saying on press conference that he doesn’t like the new stages cause they are so blind and you can’t see the behind the corners and you have to trust your pace notes.

Aava and co. must be smiling, cause I understand that’s exactly what they wanted, to make the route more technical and difficult.

[Oliverk]

Only 15000 tickets sold.

[Red bull]

Is the Wrc live site working?

[Tauri_J]

Fine for me.

[wwbroe]

Working fine for me as well

[Red bull]

Just reset the app working well, thank you 🙏

[Tauri_J]

Tyre choices anyone?

[Ds3]

"live maps" did not work

[EstWRC]

I’m on SS2 at the middle part of the stage

Only 9 minutes to left. The places suck but you still can’t hide the excitement.

[Rallyper]

Morning guys. Exciting day coming. Hope you slept well...

[meh]

I wonder how many skiing sprints Jaak Mae will do there today :) Interesting side-solution :)

[Rallyper]

Weird... I´d say.

[meh]

Ott went for it :) But reality comes with Rovanperä

[wwbroe]

Ott went for it :) But reality comes with Rovanperä

Kalle is slower on first split

[meh]

Dust will be issue for WRC2/WRC3 cars I guess

[wwbroe]

Kalle took some time back compared to Ott between split 2 and finish

[Tauri_J]

Dust will be issue for WRC2/WRC3 cars I guess

Wind should pick up too.

[pantealex]

Dust will be issue for WRC2/WRC3 cars I guess

All RC2 and JWRC have 2min intervals.

Not big issues I believe.

[meh]

Yes, Breen was using good start-position, but he delivered! Nice Joker.

[Tauri_J]

Suninen so slow....

[doubled1978]

Suninen so slow....

Not surprised. Can’t crash again.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice start by Greensmith. Suninen needs to go flat out like everyone else.

[Tauri_J]

Not surprised. Can’t crash again.

But surely he should show some pace. Some decent speed when starting from the back.

[meh]

But surely he should show some pace. Some decent speed when starting from the back.

If he will not use his good road-position today, he will be nowhere tomorrow.

[Rallyper]

I think Bulacia has made great pace this year.

Nice to see his calm face driving on stage.

[wwbroe]

What happened with Gryazin?

[TypeR]

What happened with Gryazin?

7.00.4

[meh]

Fucked up for Tänak, puncture.

[seb_sh]

first issue for a top crew already, Tanak puncture

[EstWRC]

What an awesome season for Tänak

[bugwrx]

These Pirellis really are a joke.

[cali]

Well 20 sec lost, will be interesting

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[EstWRC]

How come he lost only 20 secs. Unbelievable

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not a bad loss considering. Lots of damage to that corner though.

[TypeR]

How come he lost only 20 secs. Unbelievable

drove the hell out of that i20 :D mad max

[cali]

How come he lost only 20 secs. UnbelievableYeah I was amazed too, on 3 wheels basically and visually couldn't really understand how in earth he could do that

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[cali]

Problems for Gus

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[RS]

Luky split Ostberg and Mikelssen.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thats so unlucky for Gus.

[meh]

Thats so unlucky for Gus.

So unlucky for Breen.

[Tauri_J]

He'll get time back.

[RS]

So unlucky for Breen.

What happened?

[meh]

What happened?

Got stuck in Greensmith's dust. Hopefully get lost time back.

[TypeR]

I know he should, but will he? wasn't actually in front and stopping him..

[Tauri_J]

Obviously he'll get time back.

[Tauri_J]

I know he should, but will he? wasn't actually in front and stopping him..

What on earth were you watching?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Greensmith must be fuming - these issues keep happening and he's paying a lot of money to drive this car.

[er88]

Ruts getting big in some corners.

Greensmith fuming.

[cali]

And Gus wasn't half bad until the retirement

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[EstWRC]

Tänak definitely still has a chance but needs a spin from kalle or smth

[meh]

Tänak definitely still has a chance but needs a spin from kalle or smth

No spares for next 2 stages. With another puncture it's came over.

[Rallyper]

Solberg some sort of problem?

[er88]

How much time do we think Breen will get back?

[Tauri_J]

How much time do we think Breen will get back?

around 10 sec I guess

[Rallyper]

Seems many drivers have pressure on their shoulders....

[EstWRC]

No spares for next 2 stages. With another puncture it's came over.

IMO nothing to loose with this shitty season besides team points of course

[Augury]

Solberg some sort of problem?

Losing quite a lot, puncture maybe?

[meh]

How much time do we think Breen will get back?

I think equal time with Rovanperä could be fair.

edit: and he got equal time :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen got the time back.

[jonkka]

Breen got the time back.

And (slender) rally lead with it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Oof Ott off onto a field.

[er88]

Tanak man. All over the place

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Now hes pulled off !!!

[Rallyper]

Tanak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[er88]

What the fuck

[meh]

Tänak retired.

[er88]

Tanak killed another tyre with that off?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville puncture now !

[seb_sh]

Hyundais getting all kinds of problems.

[meh]

The Rally God hates Hyundai for some reason...

[cali]

Neuville puncture now !Or tyre caused excursion to the field?

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[Tauri_J]

Lol at this season

[Rallyper]

Hyundai management is needed to be changed. Maybe a couple of drivers as well....

[er88]

Ogier laughing

[meh]

Now I hope Breen and Rovanperä keep it going and we will get new rally winner. For both of them it could be their first.

[EstWRC]

What on earth has Tänak done this year to rally gods?

Unbelievable

[Tauri_J]

Must be devastating for estonian spectators. Thank god I did not buy a pass.

[cali]

Must be devastating for estonian spectators. Thank god I did not buy a pass.Same here :D

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[seb_sh]

at this point Toyota needs to control the pace until the end of the season and casually pick up both titles

[Ucci]

Tänak retired.

And 80% of pickems are ruined with this off...including mine.....

[TWRC]

Will be interesting to see if the punctures are a Hyundai only problem (e.g. they went too far with the setup and put too much load on the tyre), or just a coincidence.