[WRC] Rally Turkey 2020

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Turkey-2020

Rally Turkey is also driven in a shortened format. Friday morning shakedown, two proper stages on Friday evening. Saturday is like last year with the fast Kizlan stage, Sunday holds two passes over the longest and roughest stage of the rally, Cetibeli, and the Marmaris power stage, with a service in between. 12 stages, 223 km. No super special.

[AnttiL]

Route preview https://itgetsfasternow.com/2020/08/17/route-preview-rally-turkey-2020/

It's been a while since I got to writing these!

[AnttiL]

No spectators allowed on stages.

[AnttiL]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/60436-rally-turkey-marmaris-2020/

26 cars entered, all 4WD

[GigiGalliNo1]

Only three Turkish drivers this year? Have to see how many there were in 2019!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram had planned to do Turkey but has decided to miss it now. He was complaining about the ban on fans, so maybe this situation wasnt good for his sponsors.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Chris Ingram had planned to do Turkey but has decided to miss it now. He was complaining about the ban on fans, so maybe this situation wasnt good for his sponsors.

TV time?

[AnttiL]

So, any speculations? Neuville will start fifth and he has been strong in the past, although has always failed on the Yesilbelde stage.

I would also expect a good result from Loeb with a good road position. He has also had a decent gravel pace in the new generation cars, although he hasn't driven anything near this level of roughness in them. The closest probably was Mexico or the gravel stages in Catalunya, and he was leading Mexico in 2018 and Catalunya in 2019 after gravel stages.

Will the M-Sport cars do better now that the engine performance is not so crucial? Last year Suninen put down a solid performance although never won stages.

Will the Toyotas make it to the finish in one piece?

[Fredouye]

I’m wondering if we can expect team orders for Hyundai and Toyota drivers...Rovanpera and Neuville will have a very good start position, and could (like Lappi last year) build a strong lead at the end of day 1.

[mknight]

So, any speculations? Neuville will start fifth and he has been strong in the past, although has always failed on the Yesilbelde stage.

I would also expect a good result from Loeb with a good road position. He has also had a decent gravel pace in the new generation cars, although he hasn't driven anything near this level of roughness in them. The closest probably was Mexico or the gravel stages in Catalunya, and he was leading Mexico in 2018 and Catalunya in 2019 after gravel stages.

Will the M-Sport cars do better now that the engine performance is not so crucial? Last year Suninen put down a solid performance although never won stages.

Will the Toyotas make it to the finish in one piece?

Loeb drove Portugal last year as the closest rally in terms of roughness and he has quite slow. Slowest Hyundai basically all the time and a crash on top. His gravel lead in Spain last year was due to his speed on the mostly tarmac stage with gravel tires. So I don't expect much of him here (4-5).

Neuville is a clear candidate for win with Tanak second. One of the Fords should make it past few Toyotas. The Toyotas will hold together better than last year, but wont have top speed.

[PLuto]

I’m wondering if we can expect team orders for Hyundai and Toyota drivers...Rovanpera and Neuville will have a very good start position, and could (like Lappi last year) build a strong lead at the end of day 1.

Dont forget that starting order according to championship will be only half of first day...

[AnttiL]

Dont forget that starting order according to championship will be only half of first day...

Have they announced that? The two Friday stages don't change that?

[AnttiL]

Loeb drove Portugal last year as the closest rally in terms of roughness and he has quite slow.

In Portugal last year he had technnical issues on Friday and then was second on the road on Saturday. It was also amazingly the first time Loeb did the Northern Rally Portugal, which the other drivers had already done quite a few times.

Portugal is one of the fastest and smoothest of these "technical" gravel rallies. I would say Mexico and Catalunya gravel stages (especially Terra Alta) are closer to Turkey.

[PLuto]

Have they announced that? The two Friday stages don't change that?

To say the truth, I dont know exactly. But when I see the itinerary with so few kms, it is possible they will change the order after first leg (ie after 25 km of SS), which is really poor...

[AnttiL]

To say the truth, I dont know exactly. But when I see the itinerary with so few kms, it is possible they will change the order after first leg (ie after 25 km of SS), which is really poor...

Yeah. Actually the FIA Sporting Regulations has been updated with a rule for "2-day format events" where the road order is changed midway through the first day, like in Estonia. But it's a different thing whether Turkey passes as this "2-day format"

[PLuto]

Yeah. Actually the FIA Sporting Regulations has been updated with a rule for "2-day format events" where the road order is changed midway through the first day, like in Estonia. But it's a different thing whether Turkey passes as this "2-day format"

Yes, I see. It is not proper two day event, but there is a short "joke" on Friday :)

[AnttiL]

Yay, rally week!

Here's at least the press releases from teams

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2020/09/14/CHASING-A-STRONG-RESULT-IN-TURKEY
https://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2020/wrc/rd05-preview.html
https://motorsport.hyundai.com/wrc-heads-to-turkey/

[Rallyper]

Don´t forget Pickems, lads!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big job for the teams to turn around the cars for Turkey made clear by M-Sport:

"New suspension parts and transmissions will be fitted, alongside additional protection to safeguard against the rough terrain and larger fans and cooling packages to combat the soaring temperatures. The engineers will then fine-tune the set-up and raise the ride height for optimum performance on Turkey’s demanding stages.

Rich Millener:
“I also want to take this opportunity to praise our team of engineers, technicians, truck drivers and logistics co-ordinators. Travelling from Estonia to Turkey and getting the cars turned around in a matter of days was no easy task, but each and every one of them has risen to the challenge. They’ve all shown the spirit we pride ourselves on here at M-Sport, and I hope to see their hard work rewarded with a strong result.”

[AnttiL]

https://www.yr.no/place/Turkey/Mu%C4%9Fla/%C4%B0%C3%A7meler/long.html

Rain forecasted for the weekend!

[erikli2]

https://www.yr.no/place/Turkey/Mu%C4%9Fla/%C4%B0%C3%A7meler/long.html

Rain forecasted for the weekend!

113 mm rain on Sunday?! The power stage can be interesting 😁

[AnttiL]

113 mm rain on Sunday?! The power stage can be interesting ��

or cancelled...

[EstWRC]

Ogier rubbing hands together.
:D

[AnttiL]

Ogier rubbing hands together.
:D

And Neuville banging head to the wall

[Rallyper]

Pickems even more interesting ... hmmm?

[the sniper]

or cancelled...

Which is the main problem with short rallies. Very easy to lose stages nowadays. A few gone can leave you with not much of an event...

[dimviii]

recce started

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiA5aj7XsAAgC68?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiA5ersX0AEKfvI?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiA5hObXgAAsxsZ?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiA5kUBXsAAMm9U?format=jpg&name=large

[bisak]

recce started

How is marshals attitude towards spectators? Do they kick you out of the stage or it's okay to watch?

[AnttiL]

https://www.yr.no/place/Turkey/Mu%C4%9Fla/%C4%B0%C3%A7meler/long.html

Forecast is again dry

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1306131385162362880

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Michelin recce - 'Are our tyres made for this !? :D'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiGgN4_X0AEx8lz?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiGgNmOXYAAGGVu?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiGORsqXcAIWEUl?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

Tänak goes for another win https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-i20s-turkey-spec-pretty-different-to-mexico/

[Rallyper]

Don´t forget to do your Pickems!! Closing time Friday 1500 CET.

[satukata]

Do you know any good wrc betting page? any wrc betting page you know?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Do you know any good wrc betting page? any wrc betting page you know?

I dont bet but Elfyn Evans at 10-1 seems good odds:

https://www.oddschecker.com/motorsport/2020-rally-world-championship/wrc-rally-turkey/winner

[EstWRC]

anybody knows how the starting order for saturday is? they will regroup after first passes on saturday or already after friday?

[tommeke_B]

Starting order will be based on Friday results, as usual with the "full format" rallies.

[satukata]

Starting order will be based on Friday results, as usual with the "full format" rallies.

This is very good news for toyota!!

[EstWRC]

Starting order will be based on Friday results, as usual with the "full format" rallies.

Except it isn’t full format rally.

[AnttiL]

Except it isn’t full format rally.

The Sporting regulations have the Saturday midday order resetting only for "2 day format events".

Dust could be in favor of Ogier.

In addition, Loubet and Greensmith are likely the ones to be first on the road on Saturday...or if anyone has a spin, puncture or other issues on Friday, although two stages is a short time to do that compared to a normal Friday.

[EstWRC]

Gooooodddd morning guys.

Shakedown in an hour. From one side I really like this rally, totally different and hugely challenging from others. From the other side I don’t like it cause the luck factor is also huge at this rally.

Interesting to see Loebs pace here and how much has Toyota developed, Ogier and Evans sounded confident after Estonia saying they had good tests.

[svstock]

WRC - Rally Turkey 2020: SHAKEDOWN LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48FaJD7Vdjk

[AnttiL]

They're already running electric cars? :D

EDIT: Twitter stream has sound, Youtube not

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1306835702680711169

[AnttiL]

Ogier was three seconds faster than his last year first pass first on the road

[AnttiL]

Wow Greensmith third fastest

[Rallyper]

My WRC+ is lagging... and freezing...

[Rallyper]

Puncture FL for Tidemand...

[EstWRC]

All Toyota’s and Tänak into service. All the other went for second run.

[Rallyper]

Why are Julian and the girl using mouthprotection on Live? Are they protecting the microphone, or what?

[Franky]

Why are Julian and the girl using mouthprotection on Live? Are they protecting the microphone, or what?

Maybe because of local restrictions? Don't know how it's in Turkey exactly

[Tauri_J]

They are in service park, obviously they have to wear them. Why even such a question...

[AnttiL]

They are in service park, obviously they have to wear them. Why even such a question...

Even if no one was around, it's a way to give good PR for rallying, to show on television that everyone wears protection.

[Tauri_J]

Even if no one was around, it's a way to give good PR for rallying, to show on television that everyone wears protection.

Yup for these reasons also

[Rallyper]

They are in service park, obviously they have to wear them. Why even such a question...

Ridicoulous. Two reporters talking to public worldwide should be shown properly. If they move five meters or talk to experts I wouldn´t say anything. But mumbling with those protections is not what I prefer to see.

Good PR for rallying? ... I do believe there are much more other things needed first...

[rallyfiend]

It's a Turkish law that masks are to be worn at all times.

[EstWRC]

The rougher it gets the better Hyundai gets.

[AnttiL]

It's a Turkish law that masks are to be worn at all times.

Estonia had the same policy in service park.

[br21]

Greensmith stopped...

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiLwlHKWkAESciX?format=png&name=small

[EstWRC]

Even if no one was around, it's a way to give good PR for rallying, to show on television that everyone wears protection.

Hit the nail. This is the main reason actually.

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiLwlHKWkAESciX?format=png&name=small

Greensmith off, in case it's not visible from the photo

[Indreq]

It's a Turkish law that masks are to be worn at all times.

Ostberg seems to be unfamiliar with that law, hopefully he will not get himself arrested before start... :P

[Jarek Z]

From one side I really like this rally, totally different and hugely challenging from others. From the other side I don’t like it cause the luck factor is also huge at this rally.

How can you like a rally with just 26 crews where even locals don't want to compete? Isn't it the worst rally in the whole championship?

[AnttiL]

How can you like a rally with just 26 crews where even locals don't want to compete? Isn't it the worst rally in the whole championship?

It's a different way to value a rally. I usually use the perspective of WRC, just competitively, and in that sense Turkey is unique to the championship, the slowest and roughest rally.

[flykas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiLwlHKWkAESciX?format=png&name=small

Is this Greensmith?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiL8yvzXgAAJBG3?format=jpg&name=large

[Jarek Z]

It's a different way to value a rally. I usually use the perspective of WRC, just competitively, and in that sense Turkey is unique to the championship, the slowest and roughest rally.

Thanks for your reply. I see. I could never understand why people like slow and rough rallies :)

[Jarek Z]

Is this Greensmith?

Yes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame for Greensmith - he was feeling good after the first run and using the SD as his PET:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiL1qmXWAAAcUpV?format=png&name=medium

[Humber]

How badly damaged is Greensmith's car?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How badly damaged is Greensmith's car?

Cant tell but it's a slow speed event and is on its wheels. Hopefully not much damage.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiMC9aRX0AAAwfj?format=jpg&name=medium

https://www.rallit.fi/ford-kuljettaja-vetaisi-kaseikkoon-turkin-mm-rallin-lammittelyssa/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFRTQAWDI4x/

[br21]

no damage, he broke wishbone and went of the road but didn't hit anything then

[Indreq]

Cant tell but it's a slow speed event and is on its wheels. Hopefully not much damage.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiMC9aRX0AAAwfj?format=jpg&name=medium

In twitter he wrote: Car feels good, I feel I am driving well. We had a problem on the third run, but I’m really looking forward to tonight’s stages. They are important for road position tomorrow

[EstWRC]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/officials-may-change-turkey-car-gaps-due-to-dust-levels/

On shakedown the gaps were 2 minutes and I didn’t notice much dust for next car

But of course, different stages different locations. Imagine driver in front having a puncture and you are catching him.

[AnttiL]

Thanks for your reply. I see. I could never understand why people like slow and rough rallies :)

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want more of them in a season. But variety is necessary. I would want every event to have as much their own character as possible. To me Sardegna and Portugal are too similar, for instance. Or if we had Chile and Wales and New Zealand.

[PLuto]

It's a Turkish law that masks are to be worn at all times.

No, it is FIA rule...

[PLuto]

How can you like a rally with just 26 crews where even locals don't want to compete? Isn't it the worst rally in the whole championship?

24 crews

Locals are competing. 39 crews is starting in national field...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First run of SD replay on YT (start missed as usual):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48FaJD7Vdjk

[rallyfiend]

No, it is FIA rule...

Yes it is, but it is also a turkish law.

Masks are mandatory at all time in Turkey as of last week

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiMOuvUWAAEuMUt?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2020/vms_dsc_2853.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2020/vms_dsc_2878.jpg
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https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2020/hfr_dsc_8372.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2020/hfr_dsc_8351.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2020/hfr_dsc_8284.jpg

[dimviii]

Evans shake onboard
https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/1306938069417955331


and the poor tripod
https://twitter.com/FakeHinkelstein/status/1306873583994572800

[TypeR]

Live Maps SS1 and SS2 switched..?

E: okay, seems they drove to the city for starting podium.. now heading back.

[dimviii]

Thanks for your reply. I see. I could never understand why people like slow and rough rallies :)

they are not slow,they are just slower from faster ones.You can always find places with 5th gear flat out spots.
Much more demanding from crew and car.

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
#RallyTurkey - Tyre info SS1&SS2

Michelin Tyre info - SS1/SS2

@TGR_WRC
drivers: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force M6 (medium)
@HMSGOfficial
drivers: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force M6 (medium)
@MSportLtd
drivers: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force H4 (Hard)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seb Ogier:
@rallyturkey will kick off in less than an hour, with 2 stages covering 25 km. They will straight away feel like Power Stages: we'll have to give everything to try and get a good starting position for tomorrow.

[EstWRC]

oh man Ogier already into the bank but no harm done

[er88]

oh man Ogier already into the bank but no harm doneThat looked a decent hit. Lucky to not get a puncture, but need a replay. 2nd corner?? Unlike him

[EstWRC]

That looked a decent hit. Lucky to not get a puncture, but need a replay. 2nd corner?? Unlike him

yeah right in the beginning. but they have to give everything to get a good starting pos. for tomorrow

[Katvala]

New commentator! Interesting

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

[er88]

New commentator! Interesting

Sent from my F8331 using TapatalkHe's a bit excited but he's not Jon D, so he has that going for him ;)

[Tauri_J]

Live maps is pretty useless without speeds. Shame they dropped it.

[EstWRC]

quite a smooth stage for turkey standards

[Simmi]

New commentator! Interesting

Needs to dial it back a bit. Just shouting and commentating like he's sat inside the cars.

[Tauri_J]

Needs to dial it back a bit. Just shouting and commentating like he's sat inside the cars.

I like his enthusiasm....for now

[EstWRC]

Ott loosing a little bit on the techincal section, interesting

[Fast Eddie WRC]

quite a smooth stage for turkey standards

Wont suit Ogier - plenty of sweeping with few big rocks to pull out.

[EstWRC]

Ott saying tricky with the dust

[er88]

Ott saying tricky with the dustHe's just moaning with a view to put pressure on the organisers for the next stage. Wise
Dust doesn't look bad on this one from what we've seen, but when the sun lowers even a little....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle not setting the fastest splits, slower than Ogier.

[EstWRC]

i dont remember ever the gaps being so close on this rally on a stage, okey just a short stage too

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville flying.

[er88]

Great time

[EstWRC]

well he has no chance to just attack and win, so far doing good

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport's with hard tyres for two stages I dont get it.

[EstWRC]

great time Teemu IMO

[Tauri_J]

M-Sport's with hard tyres for two stages I dont get it.

Should clean a lot. No way would they choose hard with earlier road position.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

With no testing and no car development for the M-Sports' maybe they are just going for the safe route and waiting for others to have problems.

Or they want to open the road tomorrow and leave more rocks for the others...

[EstWRC]

Hyundai 1-2-3

[jonkka]

Oh, Loeb isn't rusty at all...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Classy from Loeb. Solid time.

[er88]

Top time from Loeb after a long lay off at his age.

Everyone else should be much sharper.

[dimviii]

Oh, Loeb isn't rusty at all...

he had lost 2,5 sec at first split to Ogier,so he drove pretty well.

[EstWRC]

if my math is right then Loeb is fastest in the second part of the stage.

Also good second part of the stage from Lappi, same tempo with Neuville

[dimviii]

if my math is right then Loeb is fastest in the second part of the stage.

Also good second part of the stage from Lappi, same tempo with Neuville

after 5th pass (Neuville) everybody gets faster through splits=cleaning

[EstWRC]

after 5th pass (Neuville) everybody gets faster through splits=cleaning

yeah cleaning effect plus it seems M-sport drivers needed some time for the hards to get working, they all lost most of the time in first split and not so much on the next ones.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

yeah cleaning effect plus it seems M-sport drivers needed some time for the hards to get working, they all lost most of the time in first split and not so much on the next ones.

M-Sport:
Opting for the hard compound tyre, the Ford Fiesta WRCs may have taken some kilometres to get up to optimum performance, but they were soon up to speed and remain in touch with the leaders. Now let’s see how the next stage plays out. #MSPORTERS

[EstWRC]

very dusty for Evans

why didnt they listne to Ott

[Fast Eddie WRC]

very dusty for Evans

why didnt they listne to Ott

Dust slowing him now ?

[EstWRC]

Dust slowing him now ?

little bit for sure, some places were quite blind for him

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not bothering Kalle. ;)

[EstWRC]

Ott very slow...

[er88]

Tanak getting chewed up by Seb in here.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier gave it everything and it seems to be paying off.

[EstWRC]

Neuville also slow in first split, stage not suiting hyundais?

[EstWRC]

Tänak quite frustrated with the dust and organizers

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Teemu good 1st split !

[Tauri_J]

Tänak quite frustrated with the dust and organizers

Moaning too much imo

[er88]

Great time Kalle. Dealt with any dust

[EstWRC]

Moaning too much imo

agredd but he isnt the only one who is saying it, all the others also

[er88]

Moaning too much imoI think he let the frustration get into his head. Maybe effected his driving more than the actual visibility....

[EstWRC]

what a turn around, Hyundai 1-2-3 on first stage and now totally different on this stage

[Tauri_J]

Ott's always slow when affected by dust or fog

[EstWRC]

hahahaha Neuville even more frustrated


Ott moaning much?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

agredd but he isnt the only one who is saying it, all the others also

Neuville especially !

[er88]

Neuville raging LOL. Hyundai drivers (especially Thierry) at boiling point.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Teemu - great time.

[mknight]

hahahaha Neuville even more frustrated


Ott moaning much?

Seems to be a team issue.

Maybe they let it get too much into their heads. Easy to point to Rovanpera and Evans times between them. Not to mention Suninen (who is on different tires though).

[er88]

Suninen decent time. Jumps ahead of Ott

[EstWRC]

Look at Loebs onboard

nothing to see basically

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Look at Loebs onboard

nothing to see basically

But still fast.

[er88]

Loeb going into the lead

[EstWRC]

Loeb leading overall :D

[er88]

A Hyundai driver focused on the driving with a clear head.

[Tauri_J]

But still fast.

and not moaning

[EstWRC]

i like how you guys always know whats in drivers heads,

lol

[mknight]

Loeb leading will work wonders for Ogiers motivation. Remember how it was when he led in C3.

[jonkka]

Loeb leading will work wonders for Ogiers motivation. Remember how it was when he led in C3.

Well, Ogier should keep level head and forget Loeb as his fight is for the title. And that means focusing on Ott, mainly.

[Jarek Z]

variety is necessary. I would want every event to have as much their own character as possible.

(3 - Suninen Teemu / Lehtinen Jarmo): The dust is a horrible problem - there were so many places where I struggled to see.
(11 - Neuville Thierry / Gilsoul Nicolas): I am really upset. Every year it is the same.
(69 - Rovanperä Kalle / Halttunen Jonne): It was really dusty, so a very difficult stage.
(8 - Tänak Ott / Järveoja Martin): We knew this was going to happen (the dust). Disappointing.
(33 - Evans Elfyn / Martin Scott): In here we had quite bad dust so let's see.

Are you the only person who likes this rally? ;)

[dimviii]

now if you watch splits, Loeb was the only one that was faster as splits progressed.All the others were slower,no matter the clean road
But still was slow at first split -2,3 sec to Ogier.

[EstWRC]

so tomorrows starting order

Loubet
Greensmith
Lappi
Tänak
Suninen
Rovanpera
Evans
Ogier
Neuville
Loeb

TOP10 separated by just 6.6 seconds

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak's lucky the M-Sports' went with the hard tyres or he could be last of the top runners. At least he has Lappi to sweep a good line tomorrow.

[EstWRC]

well you make your own luck and he was just slow on this stage but i understand him not wanting to take risks cause he still has a shot for the title. he cant let single mistake anymore bcs then its definitely gone.


long way to go still, a monster stage tomorrow morning

[mknight]

Is this just about the first rally where the Mk2 Fiesta R5 is fighting on the top in a decent competition?

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiNXCxuX0AQlRUC?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiNRly1X0AEUcqO?format=jpg&name=large

[Jarek Z]

Is this just about the first rally where the Mk2 Fiesta R5 is fighting on the top in a decent competition?

No. Campedelli was second overall in Rally di Roma Capitale 2019:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/54876-rally-di-roma-capitale-2019/

[EstWRC]

Loeb became the oldest driver to lead a rally

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiNbKflXkAM6v-I?format=png&name=small

[flykas]

For me this loop was very interesting. There is a huge cleaning effect in such stages, but, as we saw, there was also the advantage of no dust when you are first, also only two stages to get very important position for tomorrow, the is rather exciting setup. Also, no all day cleaning. And Ogier did good in this situation. Apart from that it was really nice that Loeb got the top spot.

[dimviii]

nice photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiNYElcWoAMN5zV?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

so tomorrows starting order

Loubet
Greensmith
Lappi
Tänak
Suninen
Rovanpera
Evans
Ogier
Neuville
Loeb

TOP10 separated by just 6.6 seconds

TOP8

I get it that it's dangerous to drive in the dust but what could the organizers do about it? Increase the gaps to 4 minutes? Would it make it really that much better? And Loeb didn't complain...

[AnttiL]

(3 - Suninen Teemu / Lehtinen Jarmo): The dust is a horrible problem - there were so many places where I struggled to see.
(11 - Neuville Thierry / Gilsoul Nicolas): I am really upset. Every year it is the same.
(69 - Rovanperä Kalle / Halttunen Jonne): It was really dusty, so a very difficult stage.
(8 - Tänak Ott / Järveoja Martin): We knew this was going to happen (the dust). Disappointing.
(33 - Evans Elfyn / Martin Scott): In here we had quite bad dust so let's see.

Are you the only person who likes this rally? ;)

With this logic everyone hates hot and dry gravel rallies, basically a third of the season.

[dimviii]

thats a good one laugh.

https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1306984239976648705

[EstWRC]

TOP8

I get it that it's dangerous to drive in the dust but what could the organizers do about it? Increase the gaps to 4 minutes? Would it make it really that much better? And Loeb didn't complain...

I’m pretty sure it’s 4 minutes tomorrow.

Everyone complained except Ogier. Loeb didn’t complain but also mentioned there was a lot of dust but he trusted his pacenotes.

The wrc2 guys also complained.

E: even Ogier said in media zone that it isn’t fair for others. That it was 4 minutes last year and even then it was bad and now the decision to have 3 minutes gaps. Says it’s worse this year with the dust.

[pantealex]

even 4min is not enough in those over 30km stages ...

and when someone has puncture ...

In "good old days" there were never 3 or 4 minutes intervals.

But I´m OK with even 5 minutes because only 24 cars started.

[EstWRC]

Well yes it’s a difficult topic, hard to find a solution. But for sure 4 minutes is better than 3

Loeb saying in media zone they had already so much dust at the start so they called the team but they couldn’t do anything.

[EstWRC]

lol https://twitter.com/AdamoSays/status/1307003040000430080?s=20

[tommeke_B]

In "good old days" there were never 3 or 4 minutes intervals.

The first time I watched WRC on gravel was Sardinia 2009, there were 4 minute intervals between WRC cars, 3 minute intervals for the others. And on the first stage of Sunday it still wasn't enough... :)

[flat_right]

Who didn't have the luck as we Estonians did as our feed wasn't muted, then here is Thierry's stage end interview again with ALL the shits :D

https://streamable.com/v8e9qo

[EstWRC]

tomorrows first stage, previous years results

2018

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/?s=191868
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/?s=191871

2019

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/54470-rally-turkey-marmaris-2019/?s=239003
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/54470-rally-turkey-marmaris-2019/?s=239006

seems to be Ogiers stage, has won it 3 times out of 4 the previous years and when he wins it then by a large margin.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiOIUfBWkAAF2JP?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiOIUfAXYAAstoN?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiOIUfCXsAYzjYB?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Loeb from Colin Clark
https://twitter.com/rallyparadise/status/1307042143043817472

[AnttiL]

tomorrows first stage, previous years results

2018

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/?s=191868
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/?s=191871

2019

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/54470-rally-turkey-marmaris-2019/?s=239003
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/54470-rally-turkey-marmaris-2019/?s=239006

seems to be Ogiers stage, has won it 3 times out of 4 the previous years and when he wins it then by a large margin.

2018
- Neuville suspension collapsed
- Østberg retired with turbo problems
- Lappi and Breen spun
- Mikkelsen's differential broke
- Ogier went off and retired
- Breen's car caught fire
- Latvala with hydraulic issues
- Al-Rajhis car burned

2019
- Neuville went off
- Tänak's car stopped after the stage
- Mikkelsen stalled
- Kopecky, Andolfi and Greensmith all had punctures in WRC2

Drama to be expected!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak:
"It tastes, or it smells a bit s***, as last year when I was opening the road it was four minutes and now it’s a French guy opening it’s only three minutes.

[flat_right]

Tanak:
"It tastes, or it smells a bit s***, as last year when I was opening the road it was four minutes and now it’s a French guy opening it’s only three minutes.

Video of it: https://streamable.com/p44d54

[dimviii]

Video of it: https://streamable.com/p44d54

unacceptable speach...

[PLuto]

Starting order for Saturday - https://rally-base.com/2020/rally-turkey-2020/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=1137

[RallyFan0]

Tanak:
"It tastes, or it smells a bit s***, as last year when I was opening the road it was four minutes and now it’s a French guy opening it’s only three minutes.

what a clown

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiOgPofX0AEqy45?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

Morning

expecting an Ogier smash from this long stage

@TGR_WRC

Ogier /Evans 4 MICHELIN LTX Force H4 +1M6
Rovanperä: 4H4 + 2M6

@HMSGOfficial

Tänak: 2H4 + 3M6
Neuville: 5H4
Loeb: 4H4 + 2M6
Loubet: 2H4 + 4M6

@MSportLtd

Suninen/Lappi/Greensmith: 4H4 + 1M6

[AnttiL]

Let's see if Neuville can survive this stage on his third try

[EstWRC]

massively cleaning by the looks of first splits

[AnttiL]

Tänak smashed Lappi's first split.

BTW EstWRC I'm using Live Maps splits this time :)

[Mise]

Morning

expecting an Ogier smash from this long stage

@TGR_WRC

Ogier /Evans 4 MICHELIN LTX Force H4 +1M6
Rovanperä: 4H4 + 2M6

@HMSGOfficial

Tänak: 2H4 + 3M6
Neuville: 5H4
Loeb: 4H4 + 2M6
Loubet: 2H4 + 4M6

@MSportLtd

Suninen/Lappi/Greensmith: 4H4 + 1M6


What's the point of having 1 medium tyre or do they have a limited set of hards and they have to be saved?

[AnttiL]

massively cleaning by the looks of first splits

The beginning of the stage has a smooth and hard road base like Mexico, it will clean and become a lot faster. There are also later softer and rougher places where it doesn't become that much faster.

[EstWRC]

Tänak smashed Lappi's first split.

BTW EstWRC I'm using Live Maps splits this time :)

welcome!

yeah he smashed but im sure the back starters will smash Tänaks one in the same way

[KKS]

Tänak smashed Lappi's first split.

BTW EstWRC I'm using Live Maps splits this time :)
Morning. Probably there is some other way with faster an acceptable splits table? Wrc one veeery slooww

[AnttiL]

What's the point of having 1 medium tyre or do they have a limited set of hards and they have to be saved?

Medium is probably a good choice for the shorter stages at the end of the loop and you can attack with them as they start working quicker.

[AnttiL]

Tänak now 17.9 faster than Lappi at split 2 :eek:

[EstWRC]

Kalle 1.5 down in first split, i was sure he will be faster

[Kradovech]

Firstly, I found Tänaks conspiracy theory on small gaps being there to promote the French ridiculous. It is not his first time with such statements, this one was made after he had had some time to think it through, which makes it look that much more childish.

That being said, I don’t have a problem with anything else any of the other drivers said yesterday at stage end. Am I the only one who actually prefers the drivers speaking their mind, rather than just forcing a smile and going “it is what it is”? Sometimes it feels that every time a driver does not like something or even if he just finds something difficult, he will instantly get blamed for “whining”

[EstWRC]

Firstly, I found Tänaks conspiracy theory on small gaps being there to promote the French ridiculous. It is not his first time with such statements, this one was made after he had had some time to think it through, which makes it look that much more childish.

That being said, I don’t have a problem with anything else any of the other drivers said yesterday at stage end. Am I the only one who actually prefers the drivers speaking their mind, rather than just forcing a smile and going “it is what it is”? Sometimes it feels that every time a driver does not like something or even if he just finds something difficult, he will instantly get blamed for “whining”

+1

[AnttiL]

When Tänak complains it's speaking his mind.
When Ogier speaks his mind it's moaning.
It is what it is.

[EstWRC]

Tänak stopped

[Mise]

Medium is probably a good choice for the shorter stages at the end of the loop and you can attack with them as they start working quicker.

Yeah, but with 1 medium tyre. Why only 1? It can't have any effect to the times.

[EstWRC]

what the hell was that, the car turned left?


bye bye titel

[Rallyper]

Engine running...

[AnttiL]

Some oil on the windscreen?

[Rallyper]

Some oil on the windscreen?

No should be graveldust.

[AnttiL]

Rovanperä was faster than Tänak at split 4

[EstWRC]

this rally doesnt like Ott apart from 2018

tehcnical last year, tehcnial this year

E: steering temp alarm said to the team

[AnttiL]

let's see how Neuville and Ogier fight each other on this one.

Damn director changing camera just when they started talking to the team

[AnttiL]

Neuville now 0,2 faster than Ogier on split 2

[EstWRC]

let's see how Neuville and Ogier fight each other on this one.

Damn director changing camera just when they started talking to the team

i heard he said steering temp alarm before the director cut

[erikli2]

Broken steering rack maybe? An oil leak could explain the temperature warning and the steering locking.

[AnttiL]

Loeb losing now to Ogier and Neuville

[AnttiL]

Neuville and Ogier just trading tenths all the way

[EstWRC]

Loeb cant keep up unfortunately when conditons the same

[mknight]

Pretty poor reliability record for Hyundai on rough rallies this year. 2 cars in Mexico and one here already.
Also interesting that Neuville is complaining about unstable car in rough sections which usually was their strength.

[dimviii]

Loebs tyre choice with crossed mediums and hards wasnt right.Mediums totally destroyed.
But he has 2 brand new hards for the rest stages.

[KKS]

Tyres really died on Loeb car. And all second part of stage he never did a huge slide. All tight and seems on understeer style

[dimviii]

Loeb cant keep up unfortunately when conditons the same

at half of stage was equal with Neuville and Ogier,and faster from Tanak

[EstWRC]

at half of stage was equal with Neuville and Ogier.

yeah, put wrong tyres on. surprised actually that he went with that choice for this long stage

[KKS]

Broken steering rack maybe? An oil leak could explain the temperature warning and the steering locking.
If oil missing - car still can be controlled but physically very hard. There seems some suspension broken, but we can't see any really big bump or rock that mb force it

[EstWRC]

Pretty poor reliability record for Hyundai on rough rallies this year. 2 cars in Mexico and one here already.
Also interesting that Neuville is complaining about unstable car in rough sections which usually was their strength.

and Toyota is now becoming more and more impressive on rough rallies so far

[KKS]

Loeb FR tyre
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiQlY7fXkAEIVA-?format=jpg&name=large

[cali]

and Toyota is now becoming more and more impressive on rough rallies so far

The irony eh....

[erikli2]

Loeb FR tyre
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiQlY7fXkAEIVA-?format=jpg&name=large

I wonder how they can make such a big mistake with the tires, they should have loads of data from previous years and from the tests.

[dimviii]

Loeb FR tyre
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiQlY7fXkAEIVA-?format=jpg&name=large

wow hadnt saw the front one,camera show the rear left which was a bit better

[mknight]

The irony eh....
Well Hyundai got much faster on fast gravel instead as we saw in Estonia with all cars.

[mknight]

I wonder how they can make such a big mistake with the tires, they should have loads of data from previous years and from the tests.

Hyundai had big tire wear issues here last year, but mostly on second passes.

[dimviii]

hmsgofficial
@HMSGOfficial
#WRC
Warning sign
UPDATE @OttTanak
: forced to retire on SS3 due to a steering issue which we will assess further once the car is back in service. #HMSGOfficial

[EstWRC]

Ott with 4 tyres tomorrow like last year?

[KKS]

wow hadnt saw the front one,camera show the rear left which was a bit better
with that kind of tyres - Loeb time on that stage is brilliant! But he ruined his all loop with that choice

[dimviii]

provisional standings as after stage 3.Itwill be difficult Ogier to loose the championship if he finish Turkey

https://www.wrc.com/?proxy=redaktion/Season-2020-NEWS/WRC/9_September/Turkey-live-text/190920_ProvStandings.jpeg

[dimviii]

with that kind of tyres - Loeb time on that stage is brilliant! But he ruined his all loop with that choice

strangely wrong choice.Now the brand new hards will not get up to temp with such short stages

[EstWRC]

provisional standings as after stage 3.Itwill be difficult Ogier to loose the championship if he finish Turkey

https://www.wrc.com/?proxy=redaktion/Season-2020-NEWS/WRC/9_September/Turkey-live-text/190920_ProvStandings.jpeg

agreed, even if he gets one 0 point rally it doesnt look bad at all for him.

Nr.7 it is likely, i wonder if he keeps then trying to beat Loebs 9 while being so close already?

i dont believe his retirement talks at all anymore

[AnttiL]

Ott with 4 tyres tomorrow like last year?

Doesn't have to do all day this time as there is a midday service, but then again he still has to go through the 38 km rough stage

[mknight]

strangely wrong choice.Now the brand new hards will not get up to temp with such short stages

Ogier gained massively here last year by doing exactly this. Running a medium mix in the morning.

[AnttiL]

Lappi going nowhere in this rally

[EstWRC]

Ogier gained massively here last year by doing exactly this. Running a medium mix in the morning.

he is just a master of that stage, won it again today

[dimviii]

Ogier gained massively here last year by doing exactly this. Running a medium mix in the morning.

but he didnt choose the same this year.

[EstWRC]

is it just me that the stages look so smooth compared to previous years?

i remember them being more rough

[dimviii]

we have to wait for second pass

[KKS]

Loeb long one: 2med, 2hard. short one: 4 hard.... whyyyy?

[jonkka]

Loeb long one: 2med, 2hard. short one: 4 hard.... whyyyy?

Expected cooler in the morning and hotter towards the noon?

[mknight]

Loeb long one: 2med, 2hard. short one: 4 hard.... whyyyy?
No thread left on the meds.

[KKS]

No thread left on the meds.
I suggest it's better put full hard on long, rough stage and than use med's on shorts

[jonkka]

I suggest it's better put full hard on long, rough stage and than use med's on shorts

I would expect nine time world champion to know what he is doing.

It is not always getting the best choice, it's about getting best choice that you can drive with confidence. Kankkunen once noted about tyre choice in Monte Carlo, where studded vs racing tyre is always a compromise, that no matter which choice you make, it's important to use strengths of that choice and minimize it's weakness where you can.

[EstWRC]

I suggest it's better put full hard on long, rough stage and than use med's on shorts

why didnt you call him in the morning? :D

[KKS]

why didnt you call him in the morning? :D
waiting for your command ;)

[AnttiL]

is it just me that the stages look so smooth compared to previous years?

i remember them being more rough

SS1 had some rough places in the beginning. SS2 and SS6 are smooth altogether. SS3 is mostly smooth with some rough places hidden in the 32 km length. The roughest sections will actually come tomorrow.

[EstWRC]

SS1 had some rough places in the beginning. SS2 and SS6 are smooth altogether. SS3 is mostly smooth with some rough places hidden in the 32 km length. The roughest sections will actually come tomorrow.

so all in all its like smooth rally except Sunday? :D

[AnttiL]

so all in all its like smooth rally except Sunday? :D

No :D But for example driving SS1 only once reduces the rough sections. Similarly, the super rough section where Evans and Østberg retired in 2018 hasn't been run since.

EDIT: Incorrect to say SS3 is smooth because it's not similarly smooth as SS2 and SS6, but it's like "medium".

[EstWRC]

stage stopped?

[AnttiL]

No spectators allowed but still a safety issue?

[Simmi]

Unauthorised spectators. I've seen people in every stage so far - wonder what the difference is here?

[Rallyper]

Organizers jeopardizes whole Championship for some spectators? Pffff...

[Tauri_J]

Last year for Rally Turkey

[Rallyper]

seems to be running again. kalle in car now.

[Mise]

Unauthorised spectators. I've seen people in every stage so far - wonder what the difference is here?

They are French. Ogier gets to drive without the dust. :D