[WRC] Rally Turkey 2020

[Tauri_J]

Looks pretty smooth for Turkey. Windmills also giving vibes of Fafe stage lol

[AnttiL]

Looks pretty smooth for Turkey. Windmills also giving vibes of Fafe stage lol

Yeah this stage is truly exceptional. The average speeds are close to 110 km/h whereas all other stages are under 90 km/h.

[dimviii]

Ott Tänak talks about his retirement from Rally Turkey

We caught up with the Hyundai man following his early exit in today's opening test...



"We had some kind of steering issue, but we do not know what yet. The car is still in the forest and we have to wait until it gets back to the service park. There was no warning, it was quite instant. It should not be a big worry to repair the car for tomorrow."

Asked about his title hopes, he said:
"It's not a positive so there is nothing too much to comment."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak aside not much drama or attrition so far. The stages dont seem as rough as predicted with plenty of smooth fast sections. Very attractive to watch.

[Indreq]

It seems like Loeb is bit more sideways at some places than it would be optimal?

EDIT: he confirmed at stage end that he made few small mistakes

[Tauri_J]

It seems like Loeb is bit more sideways at some places than it would be optimal?

Noticed it as well

[dimviii]

It seems like Loeb is bit more sideways at some places than it would be optimal?

EDIT: he confirmed at stage end that he made few small mistakes

except that rear left tyre at stage stop was in bad condition,yes i ve notided that too.Too much sideways for his style.

[dimviii]

Ruben Perez
@RubnPerez
Abandonment of one of the teams entered in # WRC2.

Eyvind Brynildsen and Ilka Minor are out of the race after suffering a puncture on SS5.

They had no more spare wheels left on the car since before that stage they changed one of them. #WRC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiRJfYPWkAALLvQ?format=jpg&name=small

[SubaruNorway]

Brynildsen's bolts had snapped, probably from overtightening after changing the puncture earlier in the stage

[Jarek Z]

I don’t have a problem with anything else any of the other drivers said yesterday at stage end. Am I the only one who actually prefers the drivers speaking their mind, rather than just forcing a smile and going “it is what it is”?

No, I am with you. Let the drivers speak their minds. Let's not "castrate" the drivers with some polished PR media talk.

[dimviii]

Sebastien loeb
@SebastienLoeb
A little (a lot) of frustration after this first loop

A bad choice of tires this morning with the team is wasting a lot of time when we really wanted to give everything. The race is still long and the podium within reach

[dimviii]

The reigning World Rally Champion was able to move the car and examined its front-right corner, but walked away after doing so.

He reported to his team at the time that he had seen a steering temperature alarm, and speaking to the media after his retirement said: “Yes, we can confirm we had some kind of steering issue.

“We don’t know exactly yet as the car is still in the forest and first we need to wait for it to come back to service to see what actually happened.”

Tänak said the problem “was quite instant”, and that although his car had not been returned to service he thought it would “not be too big [a] worry to repair” in time for Sunday, which will include the points-paying powerstage.

“I’m pretty sure we are back tomorrow,” he said.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanaks-retirement-result-of-steering-issue/

[Jarek Z]

Lappi going nowhere in this rally

Yes. I have just noticed that on SS4 he was only 0.4 s quicker than Kajetanowicz who is driving an R5 car. How can Lappi be so slow? But Loubet is even slower:
https://rally-base.com/2020/rally-turkey-2020/?ssId=5931&ssGroupId=1

[dimviii]

@SebastienLoeb

Revenge is a dish that is eaten very cold

https://twitter.com/SebastienLoeb/status/1307278212465127424

[dimviii]

RallyTurkey - Michelin Tyre info - SS6/SS7/SS8

@TGR_WRC

Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä: 6 MICHELIN LTX Force H4

@HMSGOfficial

Neuville/Loeb 6H4
Loubet: 4H4 + 2M6

@MSportLtd

Suninen/Lappi/Greensmith: 6H4

[AnttiL]

A lot rougher now already

[AnttiL]

The stages dont seem as rough as predicted with plenty of smooth fast sections. Very attractive to watch.

The speciality of this event is not even so much about the roughness, but also the slow pace, twistiness and technicality. But I still love that they added Kizlan, the fast and smooth stage, to add variety.

[Jarek Z]

The speciality of this event is not even so much about the roughness, but also the slow pace, twistiness and technicality

... and stones ;)

[AnttiL]

... and stones ;)

aka roughness

[erikli2]

Lappi is 1s/km slower than Sunninen and just ahead of Gus on the stage. Doesn't look like he's got any commitment at all, really strange.

[Tauri_J]

Everyone gone? Ogier is in trouble

[erikli2]

.. Has anyone mentioned that there's a car upside down on the inside of the sharp righthand corner close to the finish btw? ��

[er88]

Ogier in trouble

He doesnt have 6th gear/ gearbox issues.


Edit - also a puncture

[Indreq]

Ogier in trouble

He doesnt have 6th gear/ gearbox issues.


Edit - also a puncture

i think puncture was quite late affair, last couple of kms max. Gearbox seemed to be stuck on 3rd... Two more stages to go.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The rougher second pass starting to bite. Long way to go in this rally now. Hope all can continue the battle without more punctures or issues.

[dimviii]

SS6: Ogier

A nightmare for the Frenchman as he drops 20.4sec and slips down to third. He arrives at stage end with a front-let puncture on his Yaris.



He doesn't stop to talk at the stop line...

[KKS]

Gearbox seems to work fine on Ogier car. I think that he simply not wanted to go faster to not destroy tyre completely and not not damage car/aero. Cuz he change a gear in natural way

[Tauri_J]

Gearbox seems to work fine on Ogier car. I think that he simply not wanted to go faster to not destroy tyre completely and not not damage car/aero. Cuz he change a gear in natural way

There was obviously something else wrong besides a flat tyre.

[SubaruNorway]

He seemed to go long on the gears though, maybe gearbox is loosing pressure so he was trying to change gears less to get to the end

[EstWRC]

Well well what happened while I was taking a nap.

Does he have a gearbox issue or not then?

[Portimao]

whose car is it? Upside down

1973

[er88]

Well well what happened while I was taking a nap.

Does he have a gearbox issue or not then?I think so. Julien Porter thoughts so as well, and he got a text from Mads Ostberg who said there must be something wrong (besides the puncture which wasn't noticeable until the end).

[EstWRC]

lol what gearbox?

[er88]

Ogier confirmed there was a hydraulic issue. He's repaired it on the road section - looks like it's working for now.

[EstWRC]

past Evans already

[jonkka]

Ogier confirmed there was a hydraulic issue. He's repaired it on the road section - looks like it's working for now.

And how! He'll tear the Yaris apart if he keeps going like that...

[EstWRC]

Said he still has it, i dont think so looking at the time :D

[er88]

past Evans alreadyVery poor stage for him tbh

[Tauri_J]

Looks like he wasnt always using paddle shift

[EstWRC]

Very poor stage for him tbh

suddenly yeah....

[Mirek]

After a long time I am watching the WRC+ and this Kizlan is a beautiful stage!

[Katvala]

We did not get Portugal this year, but at least we got Fafe! Excluding the jump though, I am sure Gus is grateful for that.

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[bisak]

https://i.ibb.co/SPddQWq/IMG-20200919-170336.jpg (https://ibb.co/0cFFB8P)
https://i.ibb.co/TrdnDb4/IMG-20200919-170312.jpg (https://ibb.co/KmSQcL2)

Elfyn has 3 completely bald tires on his car whereas Thierry has 4 brand new looking ones

[jonkka]

Elfyn has 3 completely bald tires on his car whereas Thierry has 4 brand new looking ones

And so he loses a lot of time...

[EstWRC]

and Ogier manages with just losing the lead....unbelievable

Tänak only DNF today of TOP class which is such a shame looking how well the Hyundais were going today

quite drama free today for turkey standards

[René]

Tomorrow's stage program

https://twitter.com/LouiseCookGB/status/1307328588061061122?s=20

[EstWRC]

what a stage end from Loeb and took 2nd from Ogier

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb and Ogier on identical overall time - amazing.

Neuville getting all the good luck back after Estonia with Tanak and Ogier having mechanical issues here.

[dimviii]

Chris Ingram
Flag of United Kingdom
@ChrisIngramGB

Ogier is the king
Loeb is god

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/FakeHinkelstein/status/1307316464928649218

[SubaruNorway]

If you missed this funny attempt at Esapekka Lappi and Greensmith's name this morning

https://twitter.com/TorAndreBorrese/status/1307339264473149440?s=20

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stages today have been a nice mix - not too crazy with rocks and stunning scenery. :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiSgX75WkAMcsBT?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTBudM-cvjY&t=0s

[bisak]

https://twitter.com/FakeHinkelstein/status/1307316464928649218

Marshals are out of their fucking minds this time. A lot more military and police with automatic rifles everywhere. It's difficult to watch at places and police and armed helicopters are flying above your head at all times.

[Tauri_J]

Which part of "No Spectators" you dont understand?

[bisak]

Which part of "No Spectators" you dont understand?

I as an European am definitely not feeling like getting shot to protect me against the flu. Also there are organized spectator areas.

[Indreq]

Marshals are out of their fucking minds this time. A lot more military and police with automatic rifles everywhere. It's difficult to watch at places and police and armed helicopters are flying above your head at all times.

I saw some military-looking guys in Estonia also, near the spectator area going through woods, probably looking for trespassers. Sidearms and lot of stuff attached to tactical vest (probably no body armor and definately no rifles and helmets). Takes down the urge to argue with them when they catch you.

[dimviii]

I as an European am definitely not feeling like getting shot to protect me against the flu. Also there are organized spectator areas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiTVHcqWAAAwbrQ?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

lol

WRC Stan
@WRCStan

I don't really like it when people make comparisons between Loeb and God. What I mean is, he is great at what he does and everything and a lot of people respect his influence - but he's no Sebastien Loeb.

[m-ast]

Which part of "No Spectators" you dont understand?

I don’t know how can it be on turkish regulations, but on spanish and other european countries thats not a legal thing in my opinion. You are not closing a private forest like in GB, Just take a look at tour de france with in papers has not spectators or the ERC round in Rome, arround the road the fields are private owned by someone and thats the only one that can forbidden you to stay.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiSEkDXWoAE_Lpz?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiMMibUWoAo0mSu?format=jpg&name=medium

[Katvala]

Up at 5am making pancakes, I am ready for the day to start...!

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[AnttiL]

Good morning, big cup of coffee ready for the longest stage of the season!

[AnttiL]

@TGR_WRC

Ogier: 2 MICHELIN LTX Force H4 +3M6
Evans: 4H4+1M6
Rovanperä: 4H4+2M6

@HMSGOfficial

Tänak: 2H4 3M6
Neuville: 6H4
Loeb: 4H41M6
Loubet: 2H4+4M6

@MSportLtd

Suninen/Greensmith: 4H4+1M6
Lappi: 2H4+4M6


Remember there's a midday service

[KKS]

Up at 5am making pancakes, I am ready for the day to start...!

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You should share a photo ^_^

[AnttiL]

Tänak intercom broke already

[KKS]

5min gap for Loubet and 4min for Gus

[AnttiL]

So much dust

[EstWRC]

Tänak intercom broke already

with Martin?

i just woke

[Rallyper]

Morning, lads.

Are we crazy, going up this early? Yes. For sure we are. :)

[Tauri_J]

No breeze in the morning/evening. I guess 4 min gaps would not have made much difference on friday evening.

[Tauri_J]

with Martin?

i just woke

they fixed it

[EstWRC]

man Suninen couldnt see anything there

[AnttiL]

they fixed it

They switched to a backup system, thus we can't hear them anymore on WRC+

[EstWRC]

they fixed it

doesnt seem so

[AnttiL]

They switched to a backup system, thus we can't hear them anymore on WRC+

Broken again

[KKS]

Even 4min gap not enough for sure

[AnttiL]

Loubet stopped they said

[EstWRC]

another hyundai strikes

[KKS]

Lappi puncture

[Portimao]

https://i.ibb.co/KXRVSh5/Zrzut-ekranu-71.png (https://ibb.co/f2BrLFX)

[Rallyper]

Lappi puncture

You know that already?

[EstWRC]

i think its showing wrong split to him

Suninen stopped

[KKS]

Beside Ott this stage win only thoose who have big balls with kind of dust

[Rallyper]

Everyone stopping right now...

Also Suninen, Rovanpera... "maybe a glitch..."

[AnttiL]

And Rovanperä?

[KKS]

You know that already?
+2.31min like a 2min tyre change

[AnttiL]

Loeb a bit slower than Ogier at split 1

[EstWRC]

Beside Ott this stage win only thoose who have big balls with kind of dust

the end isnt dusty and even Gus is taking time back

so def they will beat his time

[KKS]

what a hell is going on there? O_O

[Rallyper]

+2.31min like a 2min tyre change

Ok. So they are a bit late on WRC+... :(

Yeah. Suninen out.

Edit: Bent wheel, rear left...

[KKS]

the end isnt dusty and even Gus is taking time back

so def they will beat his time
Seems Ott have a trouble withintercom again from mid of stage... than all go catch time on him

[EstWRC]

Seems Ott have a trouble withintercom again from mid of stage... than all go catch time on him

or maybe that yes.

Rovanpera will make Evans life even harder now

[EstWRC]

Ogier stopped!!!


E: puncture

[AnttiL]

Wow what drama

[KKS]

Ogier stopped

[KKS]

It's all Turkey adaptive gaps system ))))) :D

[EstWRC]

but luckily for him others had it too so he shouldnt drop places to be honest

[Tauri_J]

but luckily for him others had it too so he shouldnt drop places to be honest

Evans? And he had only 5 tyres, its game over with another puncture

[AnttiL]

The overall board is completely shuffled...Greensmith already past Lappi

[EstWRC]

Evans? And he had only 5 tyres, its game over with another puncture

yeah Evans will get past but thats it by my math cause others had trouble as well

[jonkka]

Ogier was very fast changing that tyre, only 1.5 mins lost.

[cosmin_sb]

what a stage!! many drivers with problems

[KKS]

Ogier was very fast changing that tyre, only 1.5 mins lost.
really master!

[jonkka]

Now, if Neuville will have even slightest glitch, Loeb could win again.

[AnttiL]

Now, if Neuville will have even slightest glitch, Loeb could win again.

But Loeb has to get through as well

[jonkka]

But Loeb has to get through as well

Hence I said could.

[EstWRC]

awesome stage by Evans without trouble and was fast anyway right from the beginning even with the dust

[KKS]

Neuville? Seems slow

[Rallyper]

Ogiers luck again, then...

[EstWRC]

Now, if Neuville will have even slightest glitch, Loeb could win again.

you cursed him

[KKS]

Neuville? Seems slow
puncture

[AnttiL]

Neuville puncture

[EstWRC]

Ogiers luck again, then...


i dont even have words for that anymore....

[cosmin_sb]

maybe Evans became the leader of the rally

[jonkka]

you cursed him

Wow, my powers are increasing... I'll take Manhattan next...

[EstWRC]

slow change for Neuville as well, could drop behind Ogier

[KKS]

Ogier a) faster b) change tyre quicker c) luckiest ever

[EstWRC]

Loeb as slow well

[KKS]

fuck.. Loeb

[Katvala]

Loeb is going slow

This is the Turkish roulette

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[Rallyper]

Loeb, no!!

[EstWRC]

Evans leading now, ogier seond?

[KKS]

he going to finish with it

[AnttiL]

So basically only Evans and Greensmith got safe through

[jonkka]

How slow? Will this move Evans to lead?

[Rallyper]

I´ve said it before: Turkey is not a rally worth being on WRC...

[EstWRC]

Ogier still in second place despite all the troubles and he is sayin its not his weekend

[KKS]

from 0.0 to 5.5 for Loeb/Ogier :D
what a stage

[jonkka]

Well, they have to survive a repeat of that stage later today so...

[dimviii]

Well, they have to survive a repeat of that stage later today so...

i was thinking the same.And at second pass the road will be much worse.

[cosmin_sb]

Evans first ��

[EstWRC]

to be honest i dont like this lottery stages

said it before the rally too, the luck factor is huge at this rally

Loeb was like totally WTF about his punctre

[Rallyper]

But first they have to survive next stage. Those with 5 tyres can´t have another puncture. Then they are out, aren´t they?

[jonkka]

Those with 5 tyres can´t have another puncture. Then they are out, aren´t they?

Yes, that is true.

[dimviii]

Putain!!

[EstWRC]

the next stage is just 6km and they will have a service before the second pass

so no worries for the guys with punctures

[KKS]

the next stage is just 6km and they will have a service before the second pass

so no worries for the guys with punctures
how about a smoothness of that short stage?

[cosmin_sb]

Evans from 1min back now has 46s in front...anyway the second pass on this stage will be decisive to establish the standing

[EstWRC]

im sure the second pass nothing will happen and it will be boring :D

[KKS]

there will be some kind of line anyway, and ultra caution driving

[1988senna]

My question is can the guys add extra tyres after the SS10 or before the Power Stage when they just pick 5 set or 6 of tyres before SS9,Any rule regulation about the number of tyres limited in Sunday

[dimviii]

there will be some kind of line anyway, and ultra caution driving

gaps cant allow that caution driving

[jonkka]

My question is can the guys add extra tyres after the SS10 or before the Power Stage when they just pick 5 set or 6 of tyres before SS9,Any rule regulation about the number of tyres limited in Sunday

They can change, add or remove tyres at service, so yes. Rules only limit total number of available tyres so if they have any left, they can take an extra. Extra weight for PS vs added safety is a concern though.

[Tauri_J]

My question is can the guys add extra tyres after the SS10 or before the Power Stage when they just pick 5 set or 6 of tyres before SS9,Any rule regulation about the number of tyres limited in Sunday

6 tyres is max, They have now room to add any more.

[jonkka]

6 tyres is max, They have now room to add any more.

And by regs, they can carry maximum of two spares. So even if they had room, they cannot take seventh. And they also have take minimum of one, too.

[sti123]

No, they can go with 4 tires. Tänak has done this.

[1988senna]

That is means The driver can only have two punctures in one day,The third means game over for the driver right?

[Tauri_J]

No, they can go with 4 tires. Tänak has done this.

yup, 2019 turkey

[1988senna]

Any regulation web link that I can read the details about the tyres limited

[cosmin_sb]

or no spare ( you will be very easy) but in this rally it is certainly not the case

[jonkka]

No, they can go with 4 tires. Tänak has done this.

That's interesting as it's against regulations. Perhaps they didn't have any spares left but even so they would have to have load punctured tyre on?

13.11 SPARE WHEELS
Cars may carry a maximum of two spare wheels. If stipulated in the Appendix J for the concerned group, cars must carry at least one spare wheel.

[sti123]

Any regulation web link that I can read the details about the tyres limited Found this only: https://twitter.com/KiwiWRCfan/status/1307540434629980161/photo/1

[jonkka]

Any regulation web link that I can read the details about the tyres limited

https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/119

[sti123]

That's interesting as it's against regulations. Perhaps they didn't have any spares left but even so they would have to have load punctured tyre on?

13.11 SPARE WHEELS
Cars may carry a maximum of two spare wheels. If stipulated in the Appendix J for the concerned group, cars must carry at least one spare wheel.
2. Tänak’s title blow
Turkey was the opportunity for Ott Tänak to lay a few fingers, if not one hand, on the drivers’ title. A 33-point pre-event lead meant another dominant result for the WRC’s man of the moment would leave rivals Thierry Neuville and Ogier with a mountain to climb.

It didn’t work out that way. Opening the roads handicapped him throughout Friday, a puncture cost more time and then ECU failure in his Toyota Yaris on Saturday sidelined him for the rest of the day.

He salvaged maximum bonus points from the Wolf Power Stage after an audacious gamble to run throughout Sunday morning with no spare wheel in a bid to save weight. But that 33- point lead was slashed to 17 as the message from Ogier was ‘hands off my trophy’. https://www.wrc.com/en/news/season-2020/wrc/rally-rewind--turkey-2019/

[pantealex]

That is means The driver can only have two punctures in one day,The third means game over for the driver right?

no, you get new tyres from each service.

[AnttiL]

This short stage ends right to the service park so it's not a problem to drive through with a puncture

[KKS]

gaps cant allow that caution driving
Loeb with 'no gap' driving carefully

[jonkka]

He salvaged maximum bonus points from the Wolf Power Stage after an audacious gamble to run throughout Sunday morning with no spare wheel in a bid to save weight.

Funny, I don't have a recollection of that incident. Must be early dementia coming on. Anyway, I checked old regulations and both 2018 and 2019 regs did have exactly the same wording (albeit under different numbering). I haven't checked Technical Reg Appendix J as to whether WRCars do have that requirement as I believe they do. Might be wrong though.

[EstWRC]

split at 4km?

whats the point

[EstWRC]

still no intercom for Tänak, rehearsal wasted

[KKS]

split at 4km?

whats the point
TV stage. Accumulating max splits before finish

[KKS]

Lappi car looks like a crocodile ))

[Rallyper]

the next stage is just 6km and they will have a service before the second pass

so no worries for the guys with punctures

Well, it should be a worry all the way until you reach service park. No matter how short that liasion is...

[dimviii]

this watersplash if you dont enter it with totally straight steering, pulling the car sideways violently.

[AnttiL]

Well, it should be a worry all the way until you reach service park. No matter how short that liasion is...

This stage ends right to the service park

[EstWRC]

man this stage is cleaning a lot it seems.

[Francis44]

Adamo must be so happy, from a 1-2 to a Toyota 1-2 in just one stage.

[AnttiL]

Something weird for Evans at the start, he just arrived to the start line before starting...hopefully no penalties issued

[bisak]

Idiotic turkish marshalls opening his door 😂

[Rallyper]

the next stage is just 6km and they will have a service before the second pass

so no worries for the guys with punctures


This stage ends right to the service park

Sure. But what I´m trying to say is that one more puncture on stage or before SP makes you out if wearing only one useless spare. You can´t limp on three wheels, or...

Edit: won´t repeat myself more. The issue is no more for this section.

[jonkka]

Something weird for Evans at the start, he just arrived to the start line before starting...hopefully no penalties issued

There shouldn't be. One only needs to start within 20 secs of their allotted start time, no requirements as to how early one needs to be there.

[AnttiL]

Loeb went straight in the watersplash

[EstWRC]

cmon Thieryy!!!

[KKS]

Masssive time from Neuville!

[Rallyper]

"Flat out" Neuville answer for SS11... :) :)

[dimviii]

Loeb went straight in the watersplash

didnt saw it,what did you mean straight?

Sohlberg live link from service park
https://www.twitch.tv/officialkristiansohlberg

[EstWRC]

"Flat out" Neuville answer for SS11... :) :)

well he wont make it to the end then, me thinks

[Tauri_J]

well he wont make it to the end then, me thinks

It seems punctures are not dependant on pace, its pure luck. So why not push? Thierry has nothing to lose and lot to gain.

[EstWRC]

It seems punctures are not dependant on pace, its pure luck. So why not push? Thierry has nothing to lose and lot to gain.

you can damage other stuff while driving fast and hard.

but who am i to say what he will do. its his choice and i agree he has nothing to lose.

but i dont except big dramas this time, dont remember it usually happening many times

[dimviii]

points after ss 10 show that Evans could be the new championship leader

1. Evans : 70 + 25 = 95

2. Ogier : 79 + 15 = 94 (- 1)
3. Tänak : 66 + 0 = 66 (- 29)
4. Rovanpera : 55 + 10 = 65 (- 30)

5. Neuville : 42 + 18 = 60 (- 35)



1. Toyota : 137 + 25 + 15 = 177
2. Hyundai : 132 + 18 + 12 = 162 (- 15)

[EstWRC]

Stage 9 summed up:

Tänak: intercom problems
Loubet: stopped and out
Greensmith: all OK
Suninen: stopped and out
Lappi: tire change
Rovanperä: tire change
Evans: all OK
Ogier: tire change
Loeb: puncture, no change
Neuville: tire change

https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1307554612937986048?s=20

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
#RallyTurkey - Michelin Tyre info - SS11/SS12

@TGR_WRC

Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä: 4 MICHELIN LTX Force H4+2M6

@HMSGOfficial

Tänak: 1H4+4M6
Neuville: 4H4+2M6
Loeb: 6H4

@MSportLtd

Lappi/Greensmith: 4H4+ M6

[EstWRC]

this is the most horrible weekend for Tänak

i have no words

[AnttiL]

didnt saw it,what did you mean straight?

Everyone else put their right tyres onto the side of the splash and had a big twist, Loeb just ran straight.

[Indreq]

this is the most horrible weekend for Tänak

i have no words

Considering the nature of the event, i think everybody was somewhat mentally ready for such possibilities. And he still has chance to at least recover some PS points. On next events there is less lottery involved and problems there would hurt more.

[KKS]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
#RallyTurkey - Michelin Tyre info - SS11/SS12

@TGR_WRC

Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä: 4 MICHELIN LTX Force H4+2M6

@HMSGOfficial

Tänak: 1H4+4M6
Neuville: 4H4+2M6
Loeb: 6H4

@MSportLtd

Lappi/Greensmith: 4H4+ M6
No power stage hopes for Loeb

[AnttiL]

Is Tänak stopped with issues or playing games? I just tuned in.

[EstWRC]

dont know to be honest, maybe organizers decided someting?

i mean he would cruize this stage anyway

[KKS]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
#RallyTurkey - Michelin Tyre info - SS11/SS12

@TGR_WRC

Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä: 4 MICHELIN LTX Force H4+2M6

@HMSGOfficial

Tänak: 1H4+4M6
Neuville: 4H4+2M6
Loeb: 6H4

@MSportLtd

Lappi/Greensmith: 4H4+ M6

Updated #RallyTurkey (https://twitter.com/hashtag/RallyTurkey?src=hashtag_click) - Michelin Tyre info - SS11/SS12@MSportLtd (https://twitter.com/MSportLtd)
Lappi/Greensmith: 4H4+2M6

[Indreq]

Sry OT - it seems that Julian Porter has lost quite few kgs, i remember him kinda chubby in past. :)

[KKS]

dont know to be honest, maybe organizers decided someting?

i mean he would cruize this stage anyway
seems playing for road position to Loeb and Neuville.
Pull out after Ogier and before Loeb

[EstWRC]

who was that idiot on the road for greensmith?

jeez

[dimviii]

No power stage hopes for Loeb

right decision from Hyundai imho.
Loeb isnt faster from Neuville,Neuville will play all for his drivers title=big risk to dont finish/punctures etc.
So Loeb probably will drive to collect the manufacture points.

[EstWRC]

if this is tactics from Hyundai then i dont get what they could win with this

i mean its the same amount of cars before Neuville and Loeb anyway no matter when Tänak starts

[EstWRC]

and Tänak now moving to the startline

starts before Loeb and Neuville it seems

[meh]

this is the most horrible weekend for Tänak

i have no words

Really?

What about Monte-Carlo from this year? Retirement from GB? Mexico lake? This list can be quite long I think... :)

[KKS]

if this is tactics from Hyundai then i dont get what they could win with this

i mean its the same amount of cars before Neuville and Loeb anyway no matter when Tänak starts
Toyota will have 1 car dirtier road than Loeb/Nueville if that cleaning effect exist on that stage

[EstWRC]

Really?

What about Monte-Carlo from this year? Retirement from GB? Mexico lake? This list can be quite long I think... :)

well i take my words back because this is tactics.

but i was meaning mechanical wise and at the moment when he really needs points. the championship is basically gone now

[KKS]

if this is tactics from Hyundai then i dont get what they could win with this

i mean its the same amount of cars before Neuville and Loeb anyway no matter when Tänak starts
https://sport.postimees.ee/wrc/splittimes
now show that

[EstWRC]

Gus stopped?

[Indreq]

Puncture for Evans?

Edit: Estonian commentator mentioned that Evans said that in incar audio, i wonder did anyone else notice this

[dimviii]

dust tactics

[Indreq]

And now Ott lets Loeb to pass to make sure they have less dust

[KKS]

Now I don't understand anything...

[EstWRC]

lol this is ridiculous

why didnt he start first i dont get it, less rocks better road

[Rallyper]

Problems for Ogier...

[Simmi]

Deliberately pulling over and stopping to alter your road position within in a live stage doesn't sit right with me. Shouldn't be allowed.

[EstWRC]

ogier with gear problems again

[Indreq]

Deliberately pulling over and stopping to alter your road position within in a live stage doesn't sit right with me. Shouldn't be allowed.

He is on medium tires and plans to crawl through stage, on such a long stage leaving Loeb in his dust would have been quaranteed. Now question is who is this unlucky one who gets his dust...

[EstWRC]

Ogier retired

[Rallyper]

Ogier. Game over. Engine.

[KKS]

You simply can't be so lucky every time...

[erikli2]

Probably oil pressure/temp warning for Ogier. They know it's nothing to do.

[meh]

Ogier out and all-new situation for entire title-fight again.

[Tauri_J]

I mean its a rough Rally but cars are too weak, they are not built for this.

[Tauri_J]

Evans now under huge pressure

[EstWRC]

Evans will have a huge lead now in championship

and Ogier, Neuvilel and Tänak with basically very tight together if it ends like this

[KKS]

Again, you need just "walk" this stage

[KKS]

Gus seems on move again

[SubaruNorway]

lol this is ridiculous

why didnt he start first i dont get it, less rocks better road

Would be off everyone's xmas list then with the dust he'd make.

Big hole in Ogier's engine now i guess...

[tommeke_B]

I mean its a rough Rally but cars are too weak, they are not built for this.
The cars aren't too weak, probably stronger than all previous generations. Drivers have to adapt. In Acropolis Rally the number of punctures and retirements was quite similar I think.

[EstWRC]

Tänak is gonna have a real hurry to regroup timing

[Mirek]

Guys, I don't know the rules in such detail but if Ogier needs now a total engine replacement would it bring him any penalty also for the next event?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier retired

This is where Rally 2 is unfair - if you retire on day one or day two you can come back and fight on for points and the PS. But retire on day three you get nothing for all your effort.

[denkimi]

The cars aren't too weak, probably stronger than all previous generations. Drivers have to adapt. In Acropolis Rally the number of punctures and retirements was quite similar I think.
indeed. those cars are mighty strong. it's just the drivers who are used to going flat out all the time.

[jonkka]

Guys, I don't know the rules in such detail but if Ogier needs now a total engine replacement would it bring him any penalty also for the next event?

Shouldn't, provided they have engine slots left (given how few rallies we've had, that almost guaranteed certainty).

17.2.3
When a car does not finish the Power Stage, an extra engine per car name may be allowed without incurring a penalty. No more than one extra engine per car name and per season may be sealed without incurring any penalty.

[Tauri_J]

Tänak is gonna have a real hurry to regroup timing

They want to be late imo

[dimviii]

1. Evans : 70 + 25 = 95

2. Ogier : 79 + 0 = 79 (- 16)

3. Tänak : 66 + 0 = 66 (- 29)

4. Rovanpera : 55 + 10 = 65 (- 30)

5. Neuville : 42 + 18 = 60 (- 35)



1. Toyota : 137 + 25 + 12 = 174

2. Hyundai : 132 + 18 + 15 = 165 (- 9)

[KKS]

Kajto on trouble. Could be a lead change in RC2 and WRC3

[jonkka]

1. Evans : 70 + 25 = 95

2. Ogier : 79 + 0 = 79 (- 16)

3. Tänak : 66 + 0 = 66 (- 29)

4. Rovanpera : 55 + 10 = 65 (- 30)

5. Neuville : 42 + 18 = 60 (- 35)


Rovanpera is fourth, he'll get 12 pts and be ahead of Tanak.

[KKS]

They want to be late imo
So he can sum up lateness? Late 29min into TC11 and 29min into TC11a = 58min overall?
So with 40min regroup he could be max 18min late from 'his time' and it's with 4min gap = 4 positions.
All this games about 4 positions?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiVR_2yX0AAmhb-?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

Loeb with 'no gap' driving carefully

Evans 46 sec faster from morning pass

[EstWRC]

Rovanpera is fourth, he'll get 12 pts and be ahead of Tanak.

Evans 95
Ogier 79
Rovanperä 67
Tänak 66
Neuville 60

[Indreq]

Correct me if i am wrong but being late to PS TC means no points from PS?

[KKS]

Kajto on trouble. Could be a lead change in RC2 and WRC3
Bulacia with tyre change.. so no changes so far

[flykas]

Damn, now the weekend is even worse for Ogier than Tanak and all started so well...

[EstWRC]

Correct me if i am wrong but being late to PS TC means no points from PS?

should be so yes, i think

[denkimi]

Evans 95
Ogier 79
Rovanperä 67
Tänak 66
Neuville 60
remember when people said it was definitely not due to the toyota but all to tanak himself?

[KKS]

Correct me if i am wrong but being late to PS TC means no points from PS?
Only after regroup TC.

[mknight]

It was also mentioned on stream that it now looks very much like 2018 Turkey.

The driver that was around 4th fastest the whole weekend gets the rally win (also in same car as then).

[masa90]

Wow what a turning point weekend. Evans to great position, Neuville takes the last straw to stay alive and even Tänäk and Rovanperä are still in it.

[AndyRAC]

With events nowadays so short, drivers have to drive 'flat out' for the whole even. When conditions are a little different, some have trouble adapting. Rallying is meant to be about speed and reliability, looking after your car/tyres, etc
I hope we never lose that 'skillset' from the sport; speed isn't always everything.

[AnttiL]

This is where Rally 2 is unfair - if you retire on day one or day two you can come back and fight on for points and the PS. But retire on day three you get nothing for all your effort.

But everyone still has to get through Sunday.

[KKS]

Seems Ott time into TC11A now 11:53. So he can check-in 12:22 and min TC12 time 13:25. When first car must be in 13:15

[EstWRC]

PS order

Brynildsen
Formaux
Tidemand
Heller
Avci
Bulacia
Kajito
Tänak
Lappi
Greensmith
Rovanpera
Loeb
Neuville
Evans

[meh]

remember when people said it was definitely not due to the toyota but all to tanak himself?

Tänak was The Man who had big role to make Toyota fly. You saw it with Fiesta, you can see it again with Huyndai. Toyota is good, no doubt, but this kind of statements are a bit silly.

[TypeR]

Obviously it's all calculated out by the team :D
The rule is that you can't be late to PS start, if you want PS points.


"Any crew which does not start the Power Stage in the given order will not be eligible to score Power Stage points as per Art. 3.3.2 of the 2020 FIA WRC Sporting Regulations. Such crew may neither detract points from other drivers."

[dimviii]

Daniel Elena
@DanosElena
Do you think you can make F1 drivers or football players wait for 1 hour, sitting on the ground in a parking lot in full sun, before their grand-prix or their match ?!

We in #WRC love these simple moments
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiWeYvAWAAEYRjI?format=jpg&name=900x900

[TypeR]

Daniel Elena
@DanosElena
Do you think you can make F1 drivers or football players wait for 1 hour, sitting on the ground in a parking lot in full sun, before their grand-prix or their match ?!

We in #WRC love these simple moments
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That moment, when your cars wheel arch gap is so big, you can sit on the wheel :D