Rally4 News

[Alpine-110]

Hope Peugeot 208 comes in rally4. When can we see tests of Rally4 cars?

[Andre Oliveira]

Allready exists.

[Rally Power]

Hope Peugeot 208 comes in rally4. When can we see tests of Rally4 cars?

The new 208 R2/Rally4 was tested during several monthes and it’s now ready for homologation. You can see all about it here: https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?30221-R2-Cars/page30

Btw, once this thread was open it worth mentioning that PSA is considering making a Corsa Rally4/R2. According to sportmotores.com, quoting an interview on motorport aktuell, the new Peugeot Sport boss said there are plans to sort the R2 Corsa during 2021: http://sportmotores.com/portal/start_smpt?id=56605

[dupanton]

The new 208 R2/Rally4 was tested during several monthes and it’s now ready for homologation. You can see all about it here: https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?30221-R2-Cars/page30

Btw, once this thread was open it worth mentioning that PSA is considering making a Corsa Rally4/R2. According to sportmotores.com, quoting an interview on motorport aktuell, the new Peugeot Sport boss said there are plans to sort the R2 Corsa during 2021: http://sportmotores.com/portal/start_smpt?id=56605

The Corsa will come as the winner of the new electrical Corsa cup in Germany will gain a season in a works Corsa Rally4

[Mirek]

Rally4 cars have their dedicated thread here: https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?30221-R2-Cars/page30

[Sulland]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a61DPiDWVcY

tests have started, i guessmore is on youtube

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETPUjjHXYAMtVzf?format=jpg&name=large

[dupanton]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETPUjjHXYAMtVzf?format=jpg&name=large

Is that an update on the current Fiesta R2t? Or just renaming it to Rally4?

[Andre Oliveira]

Introducing the new Ford Fiesta Rally4
M-Sport Poland are proud to introduce the EcoBoost-powered Ford Fiesta Rally4 with grip, power and speed all at the centre of the car’s development. With improvements all round, the Fiesta Rally4 is the first car to be homologated to the FIA’s Rally4 regulations which are new for 2020.

The latest two-wheel drive offering from M-Sport Poland brings more power from the Ford EcoBoost engine, improved gear ratios, better handling and a new aggressive appearance. The updates make the Fiesta Rally4 the most attractive and competitive package in its category; offering today’s young drivers the best opportunity to chase their dreams and become tomorrow’s rally super stars.

The Fiesta Rally4 is M-Sport’s first car that is part of the FIA’s new Rally Pyramid and represents M-Sport’s commitment to fully align its “Ladder of Opportunity” with the FIA’s Rally Pyramid.

Developed and built at M-Sport Poland’s base in Kraków, Poland, the Fiesta Rally4 is a result of the aggressive development of the already hugely popular and successful Fiesta R2.

The Fiesta R2 delivered impressive performances in both international and national championships throughout 2019, including a dominant display in the Junior ERC3 Championship delivering four victories from five appearances. The impressive results saw huge demand for the Fiesta R2, in just over a year M-Sport Poland built and supplied 110 Fiesta R2 cars around the world.

The award-winning 999cc turbocharged Ford EcoBoost engine has been optimised with increases in power and torque delivering 210 bhp and 315 Nm respectively. The 2020 Ford Fiesta Rally4 sees improved gear ratios and stronger driveshafts to better handle the delivery of the increased power and torque.

The Rally4 category is an extremely competitive category seeing young stars of the future pushing cars to the absolute limit in search of glory through some of the harshest conditions rallying has to offer. Engine reliability and consistency is therefore paramount in such conditions, for engines to perform reliably additional cooling in extreme heat could be the difference between winning and losing. The Fiesta Rally4 cooling system will now benefit from the addition of bonnet vents which will improve cooling while giving the car a more aggressive appearance.

A number of key aspects of the Fiesta Rally4 have been enhanced from its predecessor with particular attention to its handling characteristics, prompting improvements to the suspension and the use of a lighter exhaust. The increase in power and reductions in weight mean that the 2020 EcoBoost-powered Ford Fiesta Rally4 will have the best power to weight ratio in the RC4 class.

The 2020 Ford Fiesta Rally4 and upgrade kits for existing 2019 Fiesta R2 cars will be available to order from 1st of April 2020.

Maciej Woda, Board Member M-Sport Poland, said:

“The new Ford Fiesta Rally4 is a very exciting car that we are looking forward to seeing in what I believe to be the most competitive category in rallying. The EcoBoost-powered Rally4 represents a comprehensive development of the highly successful 2019 Fiesta R2 which proved to be very popular throughout the 2019 season. The Fiesta R2’s popularity and success is in part a contributing factor to the fact M-Sport Poland have been able to turnaround such a wide variety of improvements in a relatively short space of time. This is thanks to the relationship and constant communication we maintained with our customers from the moment they took delivery of their cars. With so many cars distributed and kilometres covered, the engineering team at our base in Kraków was able to quickly identify a development strategy thanks to the constructive feedback received from a huge pool of drivers from a variety of backgrounds.”

M-Sport Managing Director, Malcolm Wilson OBE, said:

“The Ford Fiesta Rally4 will be our first competition car to fall in line with the FIA’s new Rally Pyramid – enhancing our own ‘Ladder of Opportunity’ whilst also underlining our commitment to the sport’s future stars. M-Sport and Ford have always been at the forefront when it comes to supporting all levels of the sport, and we’re constantly developing our product range to provide a cost-effective and competitive route from grass-root to top-level rallying. As the FIA’s new Rally Pyramid becomes more identifiable, we plan to have a car to represent every level – from access to performance and, for those who progress to the very top level, elite.”

[Rally Power]

Freshly homologated (July 1st), the 208 Rally4 will debut this weekend at Rali de Castelo Branco (first post-lockdown event in Portugal), driven by Pedro Almeida and Pedro Antunes, wich will later enter the 208 Iberica Cup.

Meanwhile, as rumoured for a long time, several sites are now confirming that the Clio RSR Rally4 will soon start testing to be ready for 2021; still no news on the Rally3 version, the possible 3rd variation of the car. Rally5 Clio’s will continue to be run on national Cup series.

[Rally Power]

Impressive times by 208 Rally4 drivers at Castelo Branco, with Antunes ending as 2wd winner almost 2m ahead of the best 208 R2 (driven by the spectacular Nunes).

Comparative video by CMS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPo8b7-MowM

[dimviii]

yes it looks faster at corners,but also at straights.Whats the power-torque /weight ratio between them?

[Tom206wrc]

Impressive performance of Dennis Rädström too at Rally Bohemia :cool:

[Rally Power]

yes it looks faster at corners,but also at straights.Whats the power-torque /weight ratio between them?

R2: 185hp at 7.800rpm and 190Nm at 6.300rpm, for 1030kgs (but top cars are likely close to 200hp); Rally4: 208hp at 5.450rpm and 290Nm at 3.000rpm, for 1080kgs (max power sounds a bit low but Rally4 restrictor was recently reduced from 33 to 30mm).

[Mirek]

Raström drove the updated Rally4 Fiesta in Rally Bohemia and he won 2WD very easily. There was no other Rally4 competition (the Peugeot was present only on shakedown due to lack of time to prepare it for the rally).

[Tom206wrc]

In Rallysprint Pribram there will be three Rally 4s(two 208s one Fiesta) ;)

And of course six 208s and nine Fiestas in Rally Roma Capitale :D

[Sulland]

208 RALLY 4 – TECHNICAL INFORMATION


Engine: three cylinders, turbocharged, 1,199cc
Maximum power: 208hp at 5,450rpm
Maximum torque: 290Nm at 3,000rpm
Gearbox: SADEV, five-speed sequential
Differential: mechanical limited-slip differential
Front brakes: vented discs (asphalt: 330mm / gravel: 283mm)
Rear brakes: 290mm discs
Three-way adjustable suspension (rebound, low- and high-speed compression)
Minimum weight: 1,080kg (1,250kg with crew onboard)

PRICES (not including value-added tax)


Assembled car (asphalt or gravel specification): €66,000
Gravel or asphalt kit: €8,990
Set-up kit (asphalt or gravel): €3,490, including set of springs, front and rear antiroll bars, 12 wheels, set of ballast bars)
Equipment kit: €3,990 (including helmet net, intercom, Tripmaster, co-driver’s footrest, light pod, jack system, mounting and strap for second spare wheel)
Data acquisition: €270
Estimated running costs per kilometre (excluding fluids): €11.73

[Jarek Z]

M-Sport Poland are very happy about the first win of their new Ford Fiesta Rally4. Nice words from the Team Director:
https://www.fiaerc.com/pride-not-a-big-enough-word-as-woda-reflects-on-erc-victory-for-all-new-fiesta-rally4/

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently DG Compétition from Belgium has ordered 20 Peugeot 208 Rally 4(they received their first one this week) :eek:

[Jarek Z]

Liepaja was another great rally for the new Ford Fiesta Rally4. This car finished in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th position in ERC3:
https://rally-base.com/2020/rally-liepaja-2020/?ssId=5900&cupId=233&ssGroupId=1

Without Sesks' retirement it would have even been 1-2-3-4-5. After years of Opel domination and then Peugeot for some time, now Ford Fiesta seems to be the best car in ERC3. Hopefully it will give M-Sport some income in these difficult times.

[Rally Power]

Apparently DG Compétition from Belgium has ordered 20 Peugeot 208 Rally 4(they received their first one this week) :eek:

They’re PSA Sport dealers for the Benelux; lots of costumers and probably a local 208 Cup in 2021. Btw, another 7 cars will be shipped to Perú for the future 208 Perú-Chile Cup. https://www.revistascratch.com/internacionales/noticia/peru-comenzara-a-recibir-desde-octubre-los-primeros-peugeot-208-rally4-de-sudamerica-57644

[Co-driven]

Btw, another 7 cars will be shipped to Perú for the future 208 Perú-Chile Cup. https://www.revistascratch.com/internacionales/noticia/peru-comenzara-a-recibir-desde-octubre-los-primeros-peugeot-208-rally4-de-sudamerica-57644

This is a really nice project the Castro brothers are starting in Peru. Because of some local conflicts between the ASN and the Touring Club (this is the local FIA affiliated organisation, instead of the Federation - something like that), the project will begin only in one region (Huancayo) of Peru instead of a national championship. Also, Castro has been saying that he doesn't want to make money with this Cup, he wants to promote the rally in the country and find new young drivers.

[Andre Oliveira]

And the Fiesta Rally4 of JWRC that would stay in Chile?

[Co-driven]

And the Fiesta Rally4 of JWRC that would stay in Chile?

I think the project isn't over yet, but I don't have any other information about that.

But I don't think the projects in Chile and Peru would be conflicting, both could organised at the same time without losses for any part.

[Sulland]

Impressive first day:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/61522-rallye-terre-de-lozere-2020/2773983/

[Rally Power]

Saw the Rally4 208’s for the first time on a rally this wkd and they’re really fast; besides a fantastic engine their chassis is also great as they seem glued to the road; only R2’s exciting sound is missing.

Btw, Pedro Antunes, who nearly won ERC3J in Rome, was the winner of the first 208 Iberica cup round, Rali do Alto Tâmega; congrats to him, codriver Pedro Alves and PT Racing team. https://www.facebook.com/peugeotrallycupiberica/videos/320138169300599/UzpfSTE3Mzg5MTgxMjYzNTc1MDA6MjY3MDMyNzQ1NjU0OTg5MQ/

[Andre Oliveira]

Opel Corsa Rally4

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/artikel/opel-corsa-rally4-loest-adam-r2-ab-45070/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EimoDjmXkAEzsFi?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EimoDjnWoAIqY98?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EimoDjvWkAggjVM?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pt-media.opel.com/pt-pt/09-23-opel-corsa-r4

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EioQ7J-XsAkOsKo?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EioQ7KAXcAUxx9L?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EioQ7KHXsAIa4QE?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Mirek]

Nice!

[NoFear85]

Rebadged peugeot 208?

[Jarek Z]

Rebadged peugeot 208?

It seems so
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/10RlmcVSh3M/maxresdefault.jpg

[pantealex]

Rebadged peugeot 208?

Must be because base car is "same"

[Rally Power]

It seems so
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/10RlmcVSh3M/maxresdefault.jpg

Fair to say that all body panels, and the interior, are different.

Anyway, this is a smart move from PSA Sport once trough a small investment they can now offer a new car, spreading their brands rally market. Hopefully, Rally3 versions will soon follow.

[Sulland]

Clio Rally4 homologated soon!
https://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/noticia/renault-clio-rally4-2021/

[Rally Power]

Clio Rally4 homologated soon!
https://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/noticia/renault-clio-rally4-2021/

Yep; it was already known that Rally5 Clio cups winners would get a works Clio Rally4 seat next year.

Btw, besides the tarmac Cup, Renault will also run a gravel series in France for their Rally5 costumers.

[Jarek Z]

It's hard to imagine, but M-Sport Poland say that their Ford Fiesta Rally 4 has already won as many as 50 rallies in its category:
https://www.facebook.com/MSportPoland/photos/a.127785991990568/386414516127713/?type=3&theater

[Sulland]

Are the R2T19 and Rally4 100% the same technically?

[pantealex]

Are the R2T19 and Rally4 100% the same technically?

almost, Rally4 has air wents on bonnet but you can upgrade 19´to Rally4 with KIT.

[br21]

The differences are:
different turbo inlet pipe (plus turbo adapter), bit different exhaust (less backpressure), different spark plugs, different ECU mapping, different rear beam (more flexible), different driveshafts (supposed to be stronger), different wheel hubs (to accomodate new driveshafts), different gear ratios (longer 1, 2, 3, shorter 5th), modified bonnet (with air vents).
From 2021 car will have restrictor (30mm), increased minimum weight (to 1080kg) and 17inch rims allowed for tarmac.

[Sulland]

The differences are:
different turbo inlet pipe (plus turbo adapter), bit different exhaust (less backpressure), different spark plugs, different ECU mapping, different rear beam (more flexible), different driveshafts (supposed to be stronger), different wheel hubs (to accomodate new driveshafts), different gear ratios (longer 1, 2, 3, shorter 5th), modified bonnet (with air vents).
From 2021 car will have restrictor (30mm), increased minimum weight (to 1080kg) and 17inch rims allowed for tarmac.

Wow, that much. I thought they claimed 50 wins by including the 19 model, but without, do they really have 50 wins yet?
How much is the Rally4 upgrade for a youngster that owns a R2t19?

[br21]

it's just below 6k for upgrade kit, plus some labour of course. Also you can buy separate parts of the kit and update step by step, etc.

[tommeke_B]

Bartek, what's your view on the 30mm restrictor and higher minimum weight coming next year?

[br21]

No exact idea, I don't have that much experience with those Rally4 cars, weight won't be that big issue, I think restrictor will be worse for 208 than for Fiesta, but we need to wait and see...

[Jarek Z]

According to Chris Ingram Renault Clio Rally4 should be ready in 2021:
"It will be great to support Toksport to improve the Clio ready for the upgrade to full Rally4 spec for 2021"
https://www.fiaerc.com/friends-reunited-as-erc-champion-ingram-returns/

[PLuto]

According to Chris Ingram Renault Clio Rally4 should be ready in 2021:
"It will be great to support Toksport to improve the Clio ready for the upgrade to full Rally4 spec for 2021"
https://www.fiaerc.com/friends-reunited-as-erc-champion-ingram-returns/

Not only according to Ingram - https://www.fiaerc.com/top-team-toksport-ready-to-thrive-again-in-erc-with-new-clio-rally5/

[Sulland]

In a discusion in the Rally3 thread the topic is changes in the rally4 regulations from 2021.

what will the changes be?

[Rally Power]

In a discusion in the Rally3 thread the topic is changes in the rally4 regulations from 2021.

what will the changes be?

Basically, Rally4 cars will have a 30mm restrictor and 1080kg (currently 1030kg up to 1067cc and 1080 over).

[YerayEcoBoost]

Test Charles Münster Opel Corsa Rally4https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/542c180fb161e2eab1f2a33267ccab0f.jpg

Enviado desde mi MI 8 Lite mediante Tapatalk

[Andre Oliveira]

Bryan Bouffier and Emmanuel Guigou developing Renault Clio Rally4

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpCw-9qWMAAA_QY?format=jpg&name=small

Pic of Alain Camoin

[Sulland]

Both drivers are best on asphalt, what team are developing the gravel kit?

[dupanton]

Both drivers are best on asphalt, what team are developing the gravel kit?

Bouffier is good enough on gravel I think, Guigou did few french gravel championships as well. They should be good enough imo :)

[Andre Oliveira]

DMG Motorsport of Derek McGarrity bought and now sells a lot of Ford Fiesta Rally4 from Italian Junior championship.

https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/m-sport-ford-firsta-rally-4-new-model-cars/

[Tom206wrc]

Test Charles Münster Opel Corsa Rally4https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201208/542c180fb161e2eab1f2a33267ccab0f.jpg

Enviado desde mi MI 8 Lite mediante Tapatalk



A performance comparison between the Corsa and the 208 would be nice :D

By the way, latest news from Peugeot-Sport: 145 orders up to date(accross Europe in december)for the 208 Rally 4 and there will be 80 deliveries at the end of the year ;)

I think there will be also several 208 Rally 4 in south american championship next year :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

They’re PSA Sport dealers for the Benelux; lots of costumers and probably a local 208 Cup in 2021. Btw, another 7 cars will be shipped to Perú for the future 208 Perú-Chile Cup. https://www.revistascratch.com/internacionales/noticia/peru-comenzara-a-recibir-desde-octubre-los-primeros-peugeot-208-rally4-de-sudamerica-57644


Thanks, you answered my today question about south America :)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqHDdxJXcAEEbwz?format=jpg&name=medium

[the sniper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqHDdxJXcAEEbwz?format=jpg&name=medium

They were too fast to race... against Rally3?

[Mirek]

These changes were discussed here on the forum a lot during last two months. There isn't any big drop of power expected because the engines were unable to fully use a 33 mm restrictor anyway. It will likely slow down the Peugeot a little bit more than the Fiesta because its larger engine was probably gaining somewhat more from the larger restrictor.

[br21]

To be precise, there was no restrictor at all until now

[Sulland]

To be precise, there was no restrictor at all until now

Could that be the main reason why Ola Jr Nore was so close to the Rally4 cars in his Rally5 Clio?

[Rally Power]

Could that be the main reason why Ola Jr Nore was so close to the Rally4 cars in his Rally5 Clio?

If some Rally5 cars were close to Rally4’s they will be even closer with 2021 rules, as Rally5 won’t get a restrictor and will keep the same weight scale: 1030kg up to 927cc, 1080kg over.

Rally4 cars won’t certainly be so fast as they were last year and besides the restrictor the Fiesta will also carry more 50kg (1080kg is the new weight limit for every Rally4).

Btw, on Rally3 there will be no weight or restrictor size difference, despite allowing cars from 927cc up to 1620cc (1210kg and 30mm for all); with no 1.6L engines available on the 208 and Clio ranges, it remains to be seen if Peugeot and Renault will enter Rally3.

[Mirek]

If some Rally5 cars were close to Rally4’s they will be even closer with 2021 rules, as Rally5 won’t get a restrictor and will keep the same weight scale: 1030kg up to 927cc, 1080kg over.

Rally4 cars won’t certainly be so fast as they were last year and besides the restrictor the Fiesta will also carry more 50kg (1080kg is the new weight limit for every Rally4).

Btw, on Rally3 there will be no weight or restrictor size difference, despite allowing cars from 927cc up to 1620cc (1210kg and 30mm for all); with no 1.6L engines available on the 208 and Clio ranges, it remains to be seen if Peugeot and Renault will enter Rally3.

First of all we don't know if Rally5 will be close to Rally4. 4+ minutes difference in Canarias isn't exactly close and that was in largely wet conditions. It's likely that on dry the difference would be bigger.

Second thing is that while Rally4 would slightly slow down the difference will be probably very small in the end. Moreveor with the ongoing development it's likely that the Rally4 would again pull away due to the simple fact that they have more room for further development within the homologation.

Last but not least if I am not mistaken Peugeot and Renault both work on Rally3 cars.

[Rally Power]

Last but not least if I am not mistaken Peugeot and Renault both work on Rally3 cars.

Time will tell, but Peugeot and Renault interest on Rally3 wasn’t confirmed. Renault is developing the Clio Rally4 and PSA Motorsport seems pretty busy making Peugeot and Opel Rally4 models for their customers.

[Sulland]

Could be some manus changed focus when engine size jumped to 1620ccm for the Rally3. Not so easy to take a R4, put in a 4wd system and you have a R3.

And if that was Toyota that got the size change adopted by FIA, then hopefully they will push to get it out to the people!
Little news from Gazoo Finland these days.

[pantealex]

Could be some manus changed focus when engine size jumped to 1620ccm for the Rally3. Not so easy to take a R4, put in a 4wd system and you have a R3.

And if that was Toyota that got the size change adopted by FIA, then hopefully they will push to get it out to the people!
Little news from Gazoo Finland these days.

Toyota has NO 1.6T road cars (only Yaris WRC has 1.6T)
Road Yaris GR-4 has 1.5T 3-zylinder
Trust me Gazoo Finland is working a lot but Gazoo Japan decide which is public and which is not.

[Tarmop]

I find it hard to believe that they are going to downgrade the GR Yaris to make a R3 car. Probably something else.

[Mirek]

Rally3 is not R3.

[pantealex]

I find it hard to believe that they are going to downgrade the GR Yaris to make a Rally3 car. Probably something else.

Same.

Would be bad PR to downgrade GR-4

[dupanton]

Regarding the Clio Rally5, I've done a small ride in one. The car is FAST. Seemed a lot faster than the old Fiesta R2T we are driving with (first Turbo version, not latest). Certainly in the first 3 gears. The car has a lot of torque in a wide rev range.
Suspension seems a bit hard, it's made for French asphalt and can't be changed (fixed dampers, only 1 type of springs).
I think it's about 1s/km slower than the Rally4 on tarmac.
More news once we actually done a rally with it :)

Renault was certainly working on the plans for a Rally3 this summer.

[Mirek]

I personally expect that Rally4 will have greater advantage over Rally5 on gravel due to more sophisticated suspension and likely better durability.

Anton, does the Rally5 have LSD? I remember the R1s didn't have it.

[Rally Power]

Toyota has NO 1.6T road cars (only Yaris WRC has 1.6T)
Road Yaris GR-4 has 1.5T 3-zylinder


https://toyotagazooracing.com/gr/yaris/specs/
The GR ‘4’ uses a 1.618cc engine (the 1.5L is on the 2WD GR); that’s why it’s easy to believe that Rally3 limit (1.620cc) was established with the Yaris engine in mind.




Renault was certainly working on the plans for a Rally3 this summer.

That would be great, but so far the only news that came out (confirmed by Renault) were about the Clio Rally4. https://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/noticia/renault-clio-rally4-2021/

[TheFlyingTuga]

Renault was certainly working on the plans for a Rally3 this summer.

There was a grainy picture of the car in FB. Has a really big air intake on the engine cover!

[Andre Oliveira]

It is the Rally4.

[Andre Oliveira]

That


Bryan Bouffier and Emmanuel Guigou developing Renault Clio Rally4

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpCw-9qWMAAA_QY?format=jpg&name=small

Pic of Alain Camoin

[Mirek]

The GR ‘4’ uses a 1.618cc engine (the 1.5L is on the 2WD GR); that’s why it’s easy to believe that Rally3 limit (1.620cc) was established with the Yaris engine in mind.

I think that it is vice versa.

The Rally3 FIA 1620 ccm limit was most likely set to keep cohesion with R5/Rally2/R4/Rally2 Kit/R3T rules set before. Those were set years ago to allow Renault using their 1618 ccm engine in Clio R3T. It is possible that Toyota calculated with the R5/Rally2 limit when they developed the GR4 just like some other teams did with their R5 engines (M-Sport, Škoda).

[Rally Power]

I think that it is vice versa.
The Rally3 FIA 1620 ccm limit was most likely set to keep cohesion with R5/Rally2/R4/Rally2 Kit/R3T rules set before. Those were set years ago to allow Renault using their 1618 ccm engine in Clio R3T. It is possible that Toyota calculated with the R5/Rally2 limit when they developed the GR4 just like some other teams did with their R5 engines (M-Sport, Škoda).

That could be the case. On the other hand, Rally3 was initially planned to use Rally4 engines (up to 1333cc) and the cc limit raise was apparently asked by some of the manus (including Toyota), not by all; at the time it was said that the restrictor size would vary according to the engines capacity, in order to balance the cars performance, but eventually it’s the same for all (just like the 1210kg weight). It’s hard to see how current rules can provide a fair competition for those having smaller engines, still let’s hope PSA and Renault can find a way to join and boost Rally3.

[dupanton]

Anton, does the Rally5 have LSD? I remember the R1s didn't have it.

Yes, it has LSD

[dupanton]

That would be great, but so far the only news that came out (confirmed by Renault) were about the Clio Rally4. https://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/noticia/renault-clio-rally4-2021/

I know it hasn't been made public yet, but I know they were at least studying it.

[Andre Oliveira]

Bonato by Yohan Muller

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[TWRC]

Bonato by Yohan Muller

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErOv-VjW8AEcuI8?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErOv-V4XUAE1Z-X?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErOv-VaXIAQlpzk?format=jpg&name=medium

Video by PapaJulien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHTRoNaHiSY

[Rally Power]

Clio Rally4 expected to be homologated in March. Tech details and a small testing video here: https://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-renault-clio-rally4-bientot-en-speciale/

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait for the first round of the PSA Cup un Belgium where the Corsa will be confronted to the 208 :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Florian Bernardi will be course car in Monte-Carlo with Renault Clio Rally4.

[Sulland]

Is a Rally4 PSA car 70 000 Euro now?

Read somewhere that the Opel was in that area.

[dimviii]

M-Sport Poland
@msportpoland
·
10m
17-inch rims for asphalt-spec Fiesta Rally4 from March 2021! More responsive handling
OK hand
and grip
Fisted hand
. Larger rims mean larger brake discs; more stopping power
Stop sign
and reduced brake fade
in longer stages!
#MSPORTERS #Rally4ward

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EroSbleXIAcK9wb?format=jpg&name=small

[Mirek]

Peugeot already had 17' rims I think. This change will help Fiesta to overcome the weight increase.

[Sulland]

Think they are both 68000 euro before tax

Is that for both Asphalt and Gravel undertrays, or just one?

Good thing they capped Rally3 at 100k euro!!

[ictus]

Is that for both Asphalt and Gravel undertrays, or just one?

It has to be simiular to the fiesta 2026

[Sulland]

https://media.peugeot-sport.com/en/default-title-436

Says 66k euro assembled gravel or tarmac car (plus 20% vat)

Article from mid 2020 so add a bit of inflation!

And 9000€ for the other surface set.

[ictus]

And 9000€ for the other surface set.

for the Fiesta the conversion kit for other surface is 6649e excl. tax

[TheFlyingTuga]

It seems that Renault will present their Rally4 contender tonight, according to their facebook feed.

Edit:

Actually, here it is

https://scontent.flis7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/140342532_10159009475214855_6410661144127083972_o. jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=VkOH3ZMHdk4AX_ZqtB5&_nc_ht=scontent.flis7-1.fna&oh=56c0888fc0a0cb0dad8aeb84cf77013d&oe=602AE134

[dimviii]

if i remember correct it will be opener at Monte?


edit yeap

Renault Sport Series
@RenaultSpSeries

Introducing #ClioRally4
Designed without compromise

In action this week on the #RallyeMonteCarlo

https://www.cliorally.com/clio-rally4-nee-pour-gagner.html

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsBrORxW8AAqMw2?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.cliorally.com/clio-rally4-born-to-win.html

[Sulland]

Is it aprox 70 000 € for the Clio as well?

[dimviii]

and a small clip with clio rally4 testing at snow
https://twitter.com/ThibaultPascal/status/1351202065222144002

[Sulland]

Ford Fiesta
Peugeot 208
Opel Corsa
Renault Clio


Chassis






Length
4065
4052
4065
4050


With
1735
1738
1727
1732


Wheelbase
2490
2533
2550
2579


Track F/R



1500/1490









Engine






Size ccm
999
1199
1199
1330


Hp
210
208
208
215


Torque
315
290
290
350









Suspension






Shocks
Reiger
Øhlins
Øhlins
BOS


Springs
Eibach
Eibach
Eiback
BOS









'
Tech data for the 4 Rally4 cars as of 2021.

They have different characteristics and numbers - will they be very different in SS speed or evenly matched?

[Mirek]

Sulland, after so many years you shall know that if there is something you never take seriously, it's official engine output values of rallycars.

[Sulland]

Sulland, after so many years you shall know that if there is something you never take seriously, it's official engine output values of rallycars.

:D I am a simple man from the rural areas, and I belive everything i read on the internet. Especially if there is a big carfactory that wrote it!

Joking aside, I am very impressed by the outputs of these small engines, and lets hope they are not going where we see engines goes up in smoke all the time!

[TheFlyingTuga]

:D I am a simple man from the rural areas, and I belive everything i read on the internet. Especially if there is a big carfactory that wrote it!

Joking aside, I am very impressed by the outputs of these small engines, and lets hope they are not going where we see engines goes up in smoke all the time!

A Peugeot 208 Rally4 with last years restrictor was tested in a bank and put 234 bhp. I think they choose the 208hp just for marketing reasons!

[denkimi]

Joking aside, I am very impressed by the outputs of these small engines, and lets hope they are not going where we see engines goes up in smoke all the time!
The main issue i have with these engines is their cost. They push those tiny engines to the limit while they could use a stock engine with the same power that will cost way less and last much longer.

For starter cars i always found that stupid. Make the rules so that they can use whatever stock production engine they want under 200bhp. Seal it after putting it on the test bench so that they are all equal. That would save massively in cost while not making the cars any slower.

[Rally Power]

Tech data for the 4 Rally4 cars as of 2021.
They have different characteristics and numbers - will they be very different in SS speed or evenly matched?

My money will be on the Clio, especially on tarmac events (Rally4 field will probably be more leveled on gravel).

[pantealex]

My money will be on the Clio, especially on tarmac events (Rally4 field will probably be more leveled on gravel).

R2 Renault was one of slowest...

R3(T) Clio was way slower than DS 3 ...

It would be great if Clio Rally4 is fast!

[Rally Power]

R2 Renault was one of slowest...
R3(T) Clio was way slower than DS 3...

You're right on the R2, not so right on the R3; on tarmac the Clio R3T was probably the fastest 2wd car, before Rally4 models came out (on gravel, as most RS cars, it was a bit underdeveloped).

[Mirek]

Agree, the Clio R3T is definitely faster car than DS3 R3T on asphalt.

[pantealex]

Agree, the Clio R3T is definitely faster car than DS3 R3T on asphalt.

on WRC level ?

I can´t remember any WRC3 wins with Clio

or are you talking about last 2-3 years ?
(when 90% of 2wd has been R2)

I admit that I know very little about tarmac rallies

[TheFlyingTuga]

on WRC level ?

I can´t remember any WRC3 wins with Clio

or are you talking about last 2-3 years ?
(when 90% of 2wd has been R2)

I admit that I know very little about tarmac rallies

It depended on the Clio, because there's a Client version of it. But I saw them on Var a few years ago and for comparisation Robert was driving a DS3 and got bit at least by Gigou. And they looked pretty impressive on their fight.

[Andre Oliveira]

Stéphane Lefebvre and Gilles de Turckheim will do the competitive debut of Opel Corsa Rally4 at Rallye du Touquet (19/20 March)

[PLuto]

Stéphane Lefebvre and Gilles de Turckheim will do the competitive debut of Opel Corsa Rally4 at Rallye du Touquet (19/20 March)

Original debut was planned to Spa Rally in December with Yoann Bonato.

[Andre Oliveira]

Like course car?

[dupanton]

Stéphane Lefebvre and Gilles de Turckheim will do the competitive debut of Opel Corsa Rally4 at Rallye du Touquet (19/20 March)

There is another Corsa on the entry list as well.

[Mirek]

Judging by the first stage of our season the restrictor didn't slow the Rally4 down noticeably.

[Jarek Z]

Is a Rally4 PSA car 70 000 Euro now?

Read somewhere that the Opel was in that area.

According to this article the cost of a fully assembled car is €66,000 exc. VAT in asphalt or gravel spec:
https://media.peugeot-sport.com/en/100EN

It's good to see that as many as 100 Peugeots 208 Rally 4 have already been sold. Car number 100 have just gone to Peru.

[Sulland]

Have anyone taken a chance on the Corsa yet?

[Jarek Z]

Renault Clio Rally4 was homologated yesterday:
https://www.fiaerc.com/new-renault-clio-rally4-ready-for-erc-action/

[Andre Oliveira]

Debut of Opel Corsa Rally4

https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/71466-rally-himmerland-2021/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzYE5j6UYAcwyfi?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzYE5j6UUAgT83J?format=jpg&name=large

[JUF]

And it´s been a very strong debut for the Corsa! Mikkel Njor won the RC4 class. Also an excellent performance from Njor in his second season in rallying against some strong opponents.

[Sulland]

Good to see that Denmark are getting in new talented young drivers into the sport.
And that the Corsa would get its first finish in Denmark would have given high odds!

[wyler]

Renault Clio Rally4 to debut in Italy at Targa Florio Rally with Paolo Andreucci, then in France at Le Toquet Rally

https://motorsport.motorionline.com/cir-renault-clio-rally4-andreucci-targa-florio/ (ITA)

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

Kia Rio Rally4 (1.0T 200hp) debut in portuguese Rally das Camélias.
2101

[Mirek]

I guess it's only nationally homologated, right?

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

I guess it's only nationally homologated, right?
Right, like a Kia Picanto R1
2102

[Mirek]

Nice onboard of René Dohnal (208 Rally4) from Rally Šumava, SS8 Strašínská 2 (the longest and also the fastest stage). It's in 1080p50 and the driver's display is easy to read. The top speed is 172 km/h at roughly 6800 rpm. Shifting up is signalized at around 6000 rpm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq4idr_zXO8

[pantealex]

https://storage.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/c840273e-e820-482a-ba04-825fc91a66ba%2F8c4c6c12-a1aa-4be5-8bd0-f5ab3694e86d_Stewards%20Decision%2012.pdf?generati on=1621533446000776&alt=media

PSA got 30.000€ fine from WRC Portugal, 8x illegal 208 Rally4

[Sulland]

Looks like a good list after day one, with both Opel and Renault of the table in Rally4.
Especially for Renault coming with their first Rally4.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68765-rallye-le-touquet-pas-de-calais-2021/?s=325989&ct=1020 (https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/68765-rallye-le-touquet-pas-de-calais-2021/?s=325989&ct=1020)

[Tom206wrc]

Next battle in the Vosges next weekend, between Lefèbvre(Opel), Fotia(Renault)and Franceschi(Peugeot) ;)

[dupanton]

First signs for the new Clio Rally4 are very positive.

In Touquet Vigion had most scratches in Rally4, but made 2 small mistakes which gave the victory to Lefebvre with the Corsa.
Now in Vosges, Anthony Fotia (winner of the Clio Trophy France 2020 with the Rally5) is leading almost 30sec ahead of Lefebvre with the Corsa and over 1min20 on the Peugeot Rally Cup leaders Hugo Margaillan and Portugues Pedro Almeida.

[Jarek Z]

First signs for the new Clio Rally4 are very positive.

... and the end of the season may be even more positive. I have just realized that Franceschi, driving Renault Clio Rally4, leads ERC3, with just one rally to go. On Islas Canarias the new Clio may achieve a major win in its first year of competition:
https://www.fiaerc.com/countdown-to-canarias-franceschi-expects-crazy-erc3-title-battle/

Current situation in ERC3:
1. Franceschi (Renault Clio Rally4) - 199
2. Bassas (Peugeot 208 Rally4) - 170
3. Pajari (Ford Fiesta Rally4) - 133

[Andre Oliveira]

Put ERC3 Junior where they battle the same number of rallies ;)

[dupanton]

Meanwhile, Fotia is dominating everywhere in France against Lefebvre and 208 cup drivers. I would say the Clio is the fastest Rally4 at the moment.

[TWRC]

Also meanwhile, PSA (and Opel) have together already built 175 Rally4s, they aim to reach 200 by the end of the year.
As far as performance, the French cars seem quite even to me, maybe stage characteristics decide which is better. But Fiesta to me seems a tiny bit behind these at the moment, but may be wrong about this.

[Andre Oliveira]

Development test today in Ponte de Lima

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGFYoZ_XIAQ2NKw?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/37621-m-sport-poland-fiesta-rally-4-raul-badiu-pirelli-ecoboost/

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.6537280879680492&type=3

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/37624-test-m-sport-fiesta-rally-4-raul-badiu-crv/

[Andre Oliveira]

3rd day of Badiu

https://www.facebook.com/100001959344728/posts/6547035445371702/?d=n

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGVfPAoXoAEzttI?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGVfPAuXwAAxhgV?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGVfPAtXMAA4-lp?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Today, Fabio Schwarz, 4th day of test

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGVeB7AWUAATgnR?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

6th day of test

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/37687-tarmac-test-m-sport-fiesta-rally-4-raul-badiu-crv/

[Andre Oliveira]

Day 7 of test

Badiu and Loof

https://www.facebook.com/110290981162736/posts/271389028386263/?d=nhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGltYMtWQAEOx2W?format=jpg&name=large

[Mirek]

Wonderful!! they capped Rally3 at 100k euro!!

This is however Rally4 thread.

[Gordini]

What are plus and minus on the Rally4 cars to buy today?
Ford, Peugeot, Renault, Opel on gravel and tarmac please.

[dupanton]

Renault is fastest I'm pretty sure. It has about 20bhp more than the 208 and Corsa I believe.

[pantealex]

Renault is fastest I'm pretty sure. It has about 20bhp more than the 208 and Corsa I believe.

Winter/Snow in Finland, Clio has been slowest so far. Even slower than Fiesta R2 and 208 R2.
But Toni Gardemaister is testing a lot with it.
He has ordered 5 for just TGR Japanese Junior use.

[dupanton]

Interesting. I should have added, I was talking about asphalt rallies.

[Sulland]

Interesting. I should have added, I was talking about asphalt rallies.

And up here in the Nordic countries, where more or less all rallies are on snow/gravel the Fiesta is dominating. (apart from in Denmark)
French cars have a reputation of being better on asphalt than on the loose sufaces.
Same as with the early french R5 cars, they were not very good on the loose compared with the Ford and Skodas.

[Gordini]

What kind of dampers is used on the rally 4 cars. Is dampers free, so you can change brand?
How long wheel travel are the 4 different rally 4 car options using as standard?

[br21]

Dampers are homologated, so you can't change the brand. Their lenght/stroke is homologated also so basically only shimming you can change.

[Sulland]

Is there a max stroke from FIA for Rally4 cars?

If yes, what max stroke is there in the different classes?

[skarderud]

Wich manufacturers has a Rally4 car available these days? Ford, Peugeot, opel?


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[ictus]

and Renault

[skarderud]

Some others in pipeline?

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[Andre Oliveira]

No.

[Co-driven]

No.

What is this Kia developed in Portugal? What are the specs?

[Andre Oliveira]

1.0 T

National homologation only

[becher]

1.0 T

National homologation only
National homologation, but technically adhering to the Rally4 regulations?

[TheFlyingTuga]

National homologation, but technically adhering to the Rally4 regulations?

Yes, I think the car was made using the FIA Rally4 rulebook. However, to be international homologated Kia had to pay for it. Don't think it will happen. Chassis #1 had a pretty big shunt this weekend during the shakedown at the last round of the Portuguese Champ

[becher]

Yes, I think the car was made using the FIA Rally4 rulebook. However, to be international homologated Kia had to pay for it. Don't think it will happen. Chassis #1 had a pretty big shunt this weekend during the shakedown at the last round of the Portuguese Champ
Ah thank you.

[Sulland]

Finland differ from the other Nordic countries with very few or none Rally4 cars running.
There are two clios registered on fonish plates, but tose are used by Gazoo Jr drivers.

Why is this, are the youngsters driving older FWD/ RWD cars in the national series instead?

[br21]

Finland has quite a lot of Rally4 cars, mostly Fiestas, but also 208. And at least 4 Clios. In Finland it's not possible to follow cars by reg plates as those are temporary stickers.

[pantealex]

Finland differ from the other Nordic countries with very few or none Rally4 cars running.
There are two clios registered on fonish plates, but tose are used by Gazoo Jr drivers.

Why is this, are the youngsters driving older FWD/ RWD cars in the national series instead?

We have more than 20x Rally4 cars here.

TGS (Gardemaister) has bought totally 7x Clio Rally4 (Japanese did crash 2 in same day...) chassis
1x 208 for Justus Räikkönen
and about 15x Fiesta Rally4

Finnish Championship has had more than 10x Rally4 entries in every event 2022. That's way more than Norway/Sweden have had.

[Andre Oliveira]

Pitty no Fiesta trophy like old days.

[Sulland]

Point taken, but hard to find these in eWrc db due to that in Finland they register the car temporarely for each rally.

What is the reason for that the majority of teams/drivers chooses the Fiesta? Is it better on loose surfaces than the french, or is it less expensive?

[pantealex]

Point taken, but hard to find these in eWrc db due to that in Finland they register the car temporarely for each rally.

What is the reason for that the majority of teams/drivers chooses the Fiesta? Is it better on loose surfaces than the french, or is it less expensive?

if you look chassis list from eWRC you will find that many Fiesta R2t is upgraded to Rally4

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta R2T is the second generation. No upgrade possible! MK7 Fiesta
Fiesta R2T19 yes, MK8 upgrades to Rally4.

[Andre Oliveira]

Any more news about Lancia Y Rally4?

http://www.areacorse.com/lancia-ypsilon-verso-una-rally4/

[manthey]

Any more news about Lancia Y Rally4?

http://www.areacorse.com/lancia-ypsilon-verso-una-rally4/

seems will be unveiled on june and...and also rally2 (waiting for some confirmations)

[Kenneth]

Lancia revealed Ypsilon Rally4 HF

2530

Also new Delta coming in 2028

[Tom206wrc]

Good news about Lancia :bounce: