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Lead
27th November 2020, 16:53
quite many spectators for "no spectators rally"

They all are from local village ;)

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 17:30
Stupid risk by Lukyanuk to drop to the back of the start list when all he needs to do is finish near Solberg.

That's Lukyanuk. Risk is his second name. :)

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 17:36
It suposed to be here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTElT83kok

Live programme by the Spanish federation has started already. SS9 starts at 19:33. It's a superspecial, so maybe this time we will see some rally action, not just stage-end interviews.

Fast Eddie WRC
27th November 2020, 17:54
Stage is live

Solberg start delayed.

Mirek
27th November 2020, 17:59
Luykanuk SS2 onb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgK5DuapapM
Mikkelsen SS3 onb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51f0NEesZM

mknight
27th November 2020, 18:03
Luykanuk SS2 onb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgK5DuapapM
Mikkelsen SS3 onb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51f0NEesZM

Yeah Luykanuk whole SS2 in sunshine but with wet road. Breen had rain for half a stage or so, didn't saw any earlier starters but likely even more rain.

dimviii
27th November 2020, 18:06
Lopez a bit angry after his crash
https://youtu.be/KSKnGW5fXzE

dimviii
27th November 2020, 18:07
Cais after his crash

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/61089_en12rqexeaadjmo.jpg

mknight
27th November 2020, 18:08
Now it started to rain on SS9.

mknight
27th November 2020, 18:09
Lopez a bit angry after his crash
https://youtu.be/KSKnGW5fXzE

Interesting that from the vid of the crash it was raining massively and here when he is out it's almost no rain.

Lead
27th November 2020, 18:10
So they waited for the rain :D

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 18:11
So they waited for the rain :D

Like in this famous song - "I'm only happy when it rains" :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpBFOJ3R0M4

Sulland
27th November 2020, 18:11
Solberg start delayed.

why? Did someone hit something in the sss?

dimviii
27th November 2020, 18:12
haha watch Erdi around 3 min
https://youtu.be/K1DeC1VjtH8

m-ast
27th November 2020, 18:15
Solberg start delayed.

why? Did someone hit something in the sss?

Emergency vehicle had to enter to a house in the stage

m-ast
27th November 2020, 18:16
Ares lost half of the advantage to Formaux in this stage due to the stop and the rain

mknight
27th November 2020, 18:17
End of the stage looks quite dry and no more rain. Might even dry up before Luykanuk comes.

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 18:18
Those Spanish commentators are talking all the time, without one second of silence. I can't even hear engine sounds...

mknight
27th November 2020, 18:19
Those Spanish commentators are talking all the time, without one second of silence. I can't even hear engine sounds...

You get the full local experience. Imagine in Finland, 10 mins of silence :D

Mirek
27th November 2020, 18:22
haha watch Erdi around 3 min
https://youtu.be/K1DeC1VjtH8

Three Clio Rally5 one by one stalled engine.

Sulland
27th November 2020, 18:25
Seems like the Michelin crews have had more luck or better choices/ rubber on todays stages.

dimviii
27th November 2020, 18:27
Seems like the Michelin crews have had more luck or better choices/ rubber on todays stages.

better luck.Ares the leader is on pirellis.Probably locals know better the changeable weather at Canarias.

hahahaha

Bonato Yoann - Boulloud Benjamin
"Next year we stay on the beach, the weather is better here than in the mountains."

Fast Eddie WRC
27th November 2020, 18:28
Coverage is just off the line, down a ramp, around a roundabout... hardly worth showing.

Fast Eddie WRC
27th November 2020, 18:33
Lukyanuk just 1.8s behind Solberg after all that.

dimviii
27th November 2020, 18:33
Luky now1,8 from Oliver

mknight
27th November 2020, 18:39
haha watch Erdi around 3 min
https://youtu.be/K1DeC1VjtH8

Again I found the changing conditions most interesting.

Rains from the start but seems to stop around 3-4 th car, then sunshine with some late R5 getting half-dry road... and then it starts to rain again for some 2WDs. Finally the old M3s have fully dry load.

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 18:44
haha watch Erdi around 3 min
https://youtu.be/K1DeC1VjtH8

Mistake at the hairpin by the rally leader at 1:15.

RS
27th November 2020, 18:55
Forecast for tomorrow?

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 19:08
haha watch Erdi around 3 min
https://youtu.be/K1DeC1VjtH8

Also Ponce did the same trick at 8:51, but it was much easier with his little Seat :)

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 19:44
Lopez a bit angry after his crash
https://youtu.be/KSKnGW5fXzE

It's already included in the official ERC video :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZYI1DYvE_Q

mknight
27th November 2020, 20:19
Forecast for tomorrow?

Only one I have seen is this:
https://www.yr.no/place/Spain/Canary_Islands/Firgas/hour_by_hour.html

Which is basically even more wet than today, but perhaps more predictable.
Some crews were talking about watching the rain radar, but I didn't search for it.

AnttiL
27th November 2020, 20:51
Ingram is third in Rally5 class, two minutes behind the leader. No offs or issues, but no stage wins either.

dimviii
27th November 2020, 21:09
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En3D8_OXUAIrsjj?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En3D9SnXEAwhYid?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En3D9e7W8AY33uP?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En3D9p7WEAEt0qZ?format=jpg&name=large

Jarek Z
27th November 2020, 21:09
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnqtHioXUAMLsAP?format=jpg&name=small

So on Saturday we have two live broadcasts:
SS11 at 11:29 CET (10:29 local time)
SS17 at 16:45 CET (15:45 local time)

Rally Power
27th November 2020, 21:22
Tricky conditions but P1 fight still on (Solans may ease a bit as he has SCER title in the pocket), Suarez still a bit behind in order to become CERA champ, Monzon still doing impressive times (he’s over 50) and ERC favourites still lost on tyres choice; apparently their weather men must learn with bluuford. Bring on 2nd Leg!

Mirek
27th November 2020, 23:35
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En3D8_OXUAIrsjj?format=jpg&name=large

Do You know if this is from the morning or the afternoon loop?

wwbroe
28th November 2020, 06:03
Do You know if this is from the morning or the afternoon loop?

This is from first pass, near the start of the stage. Second run it was completely dry at that place. The weather is incredible over here, changing from minute to minute in the mountains. We were at altitude of nearly 1500 meters and had a great overview of stage 4-8, only four minutes later we didn't even see the stage anymore because of the fog. I have never witnessed such a fast changing conditions in my entire life. One minute it rains quite heavily and just two minutes later you have some sun and then again four minutes later fog is coming.It must be a nightmare for the competitors to choose the right tyres.
Bonato is right, you better stay in Las Palmas, because there the sun was for the whole day.:D

mknight
28th November 2020, 07:53
Weather forecasts and webcams look similar to yesterday, maybe a little bit more rain. I guess nobody will take the risk with medium slick today (Luykanuk did that yesterday afternoon, Mikkelsen, Munster, Marczyn and a few more in the morning).

Some combination of 4 softs and 1-2 wets is likely imo.
Still leaves the the risk of what you put on just before the stage and how rain hits. As we saw yesterday afternoon wet tires on dry tarmac are still a lot faster than wet on wet.

Lead
28th November 2020, 08:01
Good morning. What is starting order for today? Same as yesterday?

dimviii
28th November 2020, 08:09
Do You know if this is from the morning or the afternoon loop?

at 0,12 sec Fourmaux at this spot

dimviii
28th November 2020, 08:11
Good morning. What is starting order for today? Same as yesterday?

https://www.fiaerc.com/live-timing/

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:13
Confirmed that it rains on end of SS10

EDIT: and now Porter says its sunshine... impossible to follow him tbh

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:19
Lukyanuk on wet tires

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:23
Solberg also on wet, but road is drying at the end.

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:24
Rains a lot at end of SS11

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 09:29
Good morning. What is starting order for today? Same as yesterday?

Good morning. No, top 10 after SS8 in reverse order. It is explained here:
https://www.fiaerc.com/lemes-to-run-at-the-front-on-deciding-leg-of-erc-rally-islas-canarias/

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 09:33
Live broadcast from SS11 starts in 2 minutes at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGGZThDce5k Stay tuned! :D

KKS
28th November 2020, 09:35
Lead change. Good start for last day battles

cosmin_sb
28th November 2020, 09:36
what a fight for the first place :)

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:37
It started to rain for Ares

dimviii
28th November 2020, 09:39
Solans now 0,8 sec from Fourmaux.
Ares bad time,is in favour of Solans who lost a lot at yesterdays last small stage.

top 3 crews inside 1,2 sec nice!!

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:41
Seems like everyone is one wets, but on this stage

Lyukanuk and co had a bit wet road that was drying, but after Solans it started to rain at the end and now it rains a lot.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 09:45
Suarez boots

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En5z6sVW8AAdzyY?format=jpg&name=medium

dimviii
28th November 2020, 09:46
waiting more from Mikkelsen with right tyres

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 09:47
Heli not showing the cars ?!

wyler
28th November 2020, 09:48
battle between M-sport protege!
Also fiesta mkII finally showing some pace.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 09:51
Wow Luky was off !!!

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:51
Luykanuk with off-road driving there

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:53
Seems like many cars can end up in that bush after the waterpond

RS
28th November 2020, 09:53
And Griebel off in the same place!

Augury
28th November 2020, 09:53
Griebel also off at the same corner.

mknight
28th November 2020, 09:55
Its really funny that you get the report from stage end saying there is a debree just before you see them go off from the heli :D

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 09:55
Solberg too. Nasty place.

Lead
28th November 2020, 09:57
Great time from Solberg.

RS
28th November 2020, 09:59
Its really funny that you get the report from stage end saying there is a debree just before you see them go off from the heli :D

Yes, not quite synced up there.

Seems the 4G internet isn't quite fast enough as onboards breaking up too.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:02
Bonato saved it at this dangerous corner at the end!

EstWRC
28th November 2020, 10:03
i havent followed every stage and so on but how come MIkkelsen is so far down the standings?

not great stage times at all

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 10:04
Fourmaux took some damage.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 10:04
i havent followed every stage and so on but how come MIkkelsen is so far down the standings?

not great stage times at all

Bad tyre choice.

cosmin_sb
28th November 2020, 10:05
very dangerous last corner, full of water in the end

mknight
28th November 2020, 10:05
Solans out with 2 punctures

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 10:06
Disaster for Solans. :(

RS
28th November 2020, 10:06
Solans out with 2 punctures

But fastest time?!

Sulland
28th November 2020, 10:08
i havent followed every stage and so on but how come MIkkelsen is so far down the standings?

not great stage times at all

Rainshowers most of the. All about tyres yesterday.
seems like Michelins suited the conditions better.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:08
But fastest time?!

But apparentlly two punctures and one spare tyre only...

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 10:11
Cruz aquaplaned off there and smashed the front end.

mknight
28th November 2020, 10:12
Well there is some point.
Wet in one way or another for everyone and Michelin is 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 10:18
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En3D8_OXUAIrsjj?format=jpg&name=large


This is from first pass, near the start of the stage. Second run it was completely dry at that place.

It means that Fourmaux was on rain tyres yesterday morning while Dirtfish reported he was on slicks (what we dicsussed).

the sniper
28th November 2020, 10:20
Very entertaining viewing for my lunch break at work. Don't know why they were cutting away from the heli shot at the tunnel on some cars, missing the almost inevitable! Crazy. But overall great coverage.

mknight
28th November 2020, 10:21
It means that Fourmaux was on rain tyres yesterday morning while Dirtfish reported he was on slicks (what we dicsussed).

Very good catch.

They even wrote in the end-of-the day report that Formaux was driving whole first leg on slicks and beating all the top guys (Lyukanuk, Solberg, Mikkelsen, Munster etc.) on "same slicks" by 1,5 min.

I wrote already yesterday evening that that seemed strange.

Augury
28th November 2020, 10:22
Heavy damage to Bassas' car.

cosmin_sb
28th November 2020, 10:24
Bassas left damage badly

Mirek
28th November 2020, 10:31
Torn too, just not that bad.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:32
It means that Fourmaux was on rain tyres yesterday morning while Dirtfish reported he was on slicks (what we dicsussed).

Wow! Good eye! You managed to see through their manipulation :)

Mirek
28th November 2020, 10:36
Heavy damage to Bassas' car.


Torn too, just not that bad.

... and Furuseth crashed. All top 3 of Rally4 went off in the same stage.

New onboards.

Munster SS6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjDkjQB3AV8
Solberg SS8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy80qCy_XDE

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:38
Judging from the stage-end interviews Lukyanuk is pissed off througout the whole rally :)

mknight
28th November 2020, 10:40
Judging from the stage-end interviews Lukyanuk is pissed off througout the whole rally :)

I think the standings where he "only needs to finish" contribute to that as well, cause that doesn't fit his mindset much.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 10:43
Adrien Fourmaux bleeding the brakes on the road section towards SS12
#FIAERC #RallyIslasCanarias


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6C7_kWEAAT6pB?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6C8AFXcAIGkDm?format=jpg&name=medium

Sulland
28th November 2020, 10:47
... and Furuseth crashed. All top 3 of Rally4 went off in the same stage.


Did the 3 Rally4 guys go off at the same place, also aquaplaning at the end?

dimviii
28th November 2020, 10:48
Did the 3 Rally4 guys go off at the same place, also aquaplaning at the end?

no

Sulland
28th November 2020, 10:50
Same conditions on Ss11 or is it dryer there?

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:50
Did the 3 Rally4 guys go off at the same place, also aquaplaning at the end?

No. It was shown during the broadcast that the left side of Bassas' car had been damaged much earlier.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 10:51
Did the 3 Rally4 guys go off at the same place, also aquaplaning at the end?

Torn said he hit an armco at the beginning, Bassas said he didn't know (lol) and I don't know about Furuseth.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:52
It's a shame because Furuseth was having a very good rally.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:54
Bassas' damaged car:
https://twitter.com/RIslasCanarias/status/1332645687884992513

Mirek
28th November 2020, 10:54
Accident of Cais (SS5) from his facebook: https://www.facebook.com/erikcaisrally/videos/3388124074616927/

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:55
Ken Torn too:
https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1332646139645075456

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 10:57
Lukyanuk and Solberg went off in the same corner:
https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1332636557711380481
https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1332637238757384201

mknight
28th November 2020, 10:57
Solans starts (with puncture) and goes slow.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:02
Ares why slow? any info?

will they allow Solans to keep going with 2 punctures?

Rally Hokkaido
28th November 2020, 11:02
Lukyanuk and Solberg went off in the same corner:
https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1332636557711380481
https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1332637238757384201

So many went off there that I thought drivers were using it as the fastest line through the corner!

cosmin_sb
28th November 2020, 11:04
Solans finished the stage and drop on 4th place

Mirek
28th November 2020, 11:05
will they allow Solans to keep going with 2 punctures?

It's allowed until rubber is left all around the wheel. It's not allowed to drive on metal on the road section however we have seen that Solberg did that in Hungary and he was no excluded while he should have been...

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 11:06
Solans finished the stage and drop on 4th place

yes, he lost 1:25, not bad for a drive with a puncture.

mknight
28th November 2020, 11:07
Solans finished the stage and drop on 4th place

He should get 20s penalty for starting 2 cars too late afaik.

Mikkelsen has some weird first 2 splits, 5s up on first, 6 down on next. Either a mistake or first one is wrong (more likely).

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:18
i see now at ewrc.cz penalty confirmed for Solans and Mikkelsen

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 11:19
Decent lead now for Formaux.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 11:21
Onboard Breen SS5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnjiN3KEmG0

m-ast
28th November 2020, 11:21
Suarez running with damaged Wheel/Suspension

Mirek
28th November 2020, 11:28
Ken Torn lost over four minutes in SS12.

Coach 2
28th November 2020, 11:28
All Rally 4 off on same place.
A waterpipe is off, lot of water on road.

mknight
28th November 2020, 11:30
In SS13 it started to rain a lot after first 4-5 cars times so far seem to confirm that.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 11:30
Can Solberg still win the title if anything happens to Lukyanuk ? Is it right he needs to be in the top 2 ? If so he's still 1 minute down.

m-ast
28th November 2020, 11:34
Both spanish championship will be decided in last loop with so much drama now. Solans seems to can made it to the service

mknight
28th November 2020, 11:35
Mikkelsen has some weird first 2 splits, 5s up on first, 6 down on next. Either a mistake or first one is wrong (more likely).

He said he did a mistake and had to reverse.


i see now at ewrc.cz penalty confirmed for Solans and Mikkelsen

the 20s penalty is cause car wouldn't start before TC.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 11:39
Spanish drivers are suddenly not as fast as yesterday. Only one Spanish stage win today.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:41
interesting evening loop ahead.
Suarez vs Solans
Luky vs Oliver

its really strange we havent see Mikkelsen pace in a proper stage.Impossible to dont have a right tyre choice so far.Maybe car setup not optimum?

m-ast
28th November 2020, 11:41
Spanish drivers are suddenly not as fast as yesterday. Only one Spanish stage win today.

Ares and Suarez are running with damaged car, and Solans was the leader until the punctures

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:44
Nil Solans made it through, with still a bit of rubber on the wheel! Legend!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6QXkFXMAIFw0x?format=jpg&name=small

Mirek
28th November 2020, 11:44
its really strange we havent see Mikkelsen pace in a proper stage.Impossible to dont have a right tyre choice so far.Maybe car setup not optimum?

I guess that very few of non-local teams have correct setup for these conditions. All tests on Canarias were dry and the asphalt on Canarias when wet is very different than in most of other countries so their wet setups from elsewhere are likely sub-optimal.

mknight
28th November 2020, 11:44
its really strange we havent see Mikkelsen pace in a proper stage.Impossible to dont have a right tyre choice so far.Maybe car setup not optimum?

Imo doesn't look like he is pushing when the conditions are tricky. This morning he has 3-4 splits where he is fastest or top 3. But else he seems to take it steadily safe.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 11:45
Nil Solans made it through, with still a bit of rubber on the wheel! Legend!

IMHO this shall be a disqualification. Let's see.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 11:45
Ares and Suarez are running with damaged car, and Solans was the leader until the punctures

Who still has a chance for the Spanish championship?

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:45
Ares problem was that he clipped something.Watch rear wheel

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6PoluWMAAhhZq?format=jpg&name=medium

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:47
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6RCHoXUAAr6G_?format=jpg&name=large

m-ast
28th November 2020, 11:53
IMHO this shall be a disqualification. Let's see.

He said he had the other punctured wheel to do the road section to the service now


Who still has a chance for the Spanish championship?

Suarez needs to won last stage for the tarmac championship or pass Ares, if not Lopez will win

Solans needs to pass Pernia, to be equal to Lopez in superchampionship, and win I think

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:54
hahaha

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6TQ1eXEAEWqVl?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6TQ15XMAYFo88?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6TQ2LWEAAmvo7?format=jpg&name=medium

polomayu
28th November 2020, 11:55
I don't know about mixed spanish championship, but for the tarmac championship, if suarez is in second, he needs to be the fastest driver on the last stage( kind of power stage) and get 3 points. So if he start the last stage in second position (spanish) the championship will be decided in that stage between suarez and lopez!
If anyone knows a bit more about that, please correcte me!!

dimviii
28th November 2020, 11:59
FIA ERC

More damage for Ken Torn, clipped in SS12.
Time for service!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6VHKoW8AAAIPu?format=jpg&name=medium

Mirek
28th November 2020, 12:00
Torn said they went off due to a mistake in pacenotes and that the spectators (who are obviously not there) pushed them back on the road.

Jarek Z
28th November 2020, 12:11
Beautiful landscape.
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/27vODdv0/s6/adrien-fourmaux-renaud-jamoul-.jpg

Rally Power
28th November 2020, 12:44
Bad luck for the spanish crews today. Fourmaux on the way to his, and MkII Fiesta, first major win.

AnttiL
28th November 2020, 12:50
Bad luck for the spanish crews today. Fourmaux on the way to his, and MkII Fiesta, first major win.

New Fiesta already won WRC2Pro in Turkey 2019

m-ast
28th November 2020, 13:00
Solans out of the rallye by COC decision nş8

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 13:04
Here we go - last loop of the ERC season. I bet there's not the drama to match Ingram's title win last year.

mknight
28th November 2020, 13:28
Solans out of the rallye by COC decision nş8
On splits it says Solans started the stage?

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 13:31
Solans is running and appealing later.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 13:40
It's great to see all major R5 cars to be competitive. All top five cars are from different manufacturer each.

Lead
28th November 2020, 13:49
So they took out the most interesting part of that stage? :D

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 13:49
Luky lost time somewhere.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 13:50
why Luky so slow?

Mirek
28th November 2020, 13:51
why Luky so slow?

Off road again.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 13:53
stage 15

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6urSHW8AEFRu7?format=jpg&name=small

Mirek
28th November 2020, 13:54
If that was here in CZ it would be very common thing in the autumn. Maybe same in Canarias...


(2 - Solberg Oliver / Johnston Aaron): The stage is full dry, the tyres are moving a lot. In the middle there must have been some tractor on the route, lot of mud and rocks on the road.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 13:54
Off road again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6vsq8WEAAilOQ?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En6vsrOXMAQ1-xd?format=jpg&name=medium

Lead
28th November 2020, 13:58
He simply doesnt stop playing with fire...

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 14:00
Fourmaux just going steady trying to bring home the win.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 14:07
SS11 offs from the live stream now in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-WhdwAmNes

Lead
28th November 2020, 14:07
And Mikkelsen comes alive when rally is almost over...

mknight
28th November 2020, 14:16
And Mikkelsen comes alive when rally is almost over...

I'd say he confirms my theory about not pushing before. Since the slicks on wet on friday morning he has never really pushed on the stages with tricky conditions.

Now whole stage was fully dry (and he has 2x wet 2x slick on) and he wins by largest gap of all stages so far (sure lot of people are not pushing).

EDIT: Also now Pirelli top 6 in stage.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 14:32
Cow and sheep on the road is not good.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 14:39
Twitter
"While waiting for more information, there is an FIA document announcing the retirement of Nil Solans' car, although the Catalan remains in the race and continues to set times #ERC We will have to know more data and how it affects the #CERA"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En62PIwXcAA9Tar?format=jpg&name=large

mknight
28th November 2020, 14:41
Yeah so they actually don't want to kick him because of how he arrived to service, but cause he changed to the rim-only far from the start of the last stage, while still on public road.

Don't see how he can appeal that.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 14:44
Lukyanuk & Solberg safely through SS16.

Formaux also, in 4th so far.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 14:54
Live in one minute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdvXcIS1Hn4

Heli in the air finally.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:06
Yes ! Luky and Lehus :champion: 2020 ! :)

mknight
28th November 2020, 15:07
lol he is like totally happy ....

Lead
28th November 2020, 15:07
Even at the finish Luky seems unhappy :D

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:09
He'll probably get DQ'd due to no face mask ! ;)

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:11
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En7BtNYXEAkY3Dr?format=jpg&name=medium

TheFlyingTuga
28th November 2020, 15:15
Well deserved. Hopefully next year will have a good battle between him and Oliver

CWJ
28th November 2020, 15:17
Congrats to team Lukyanuk/ Eremeev/ Arnautov all winners

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:18
Adrien Fourmaux rally winner - congrats from all #MSPORTERS. :champion:

Lead
28th November 2020, 15:21
Job well done by Fourmaux. Congrats :champion:

pantealex
28th November 2020, 15:22
Well deserved. Hopefully next year will have a good battle between him and Oliver

I´m pretty sure that if 2021 season is normal, Oliver is not driving ERC...

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:26
€100k prize to Solberg... like he needs it.

pantealex
28th November 2020, 15:27
In my books this was 1st big win with Fiesta Rally2
(I know it has some wins before)

Great work by Formaux and M-Sport against very fast and talented opponents!

RS
28th November 2020, 15:32
In my books this was 1st big win with Fiesta Rally2
(I know it has some wins before)

Great work by Formaux and M-Sport against very fast and talented opponents!

Rally was a bit of a mess with the weather but there is no doubt Formaux and his package made the best of those conditions. Congratulations!

Mirek
28th November 2020, 15:33
€100k prize to Solberg... like he needs it.

Sometimes I wonder if you are for real.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:33
Strange rally by Breen, not sure what's up with him. Sulking 'cos he wasnt picked for WRC Monza ?

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:34
Sometimes I wonder if you are for real.

He has the name, the cars, the sponsors already.

RS
28th November 2020, 15:34
I´m pretty sure that if 2021 season is normal, Oliver is not driving ERC...

His prize for winning the junior category is two rounds in 2021 so we should see him a little bit at least, even if not for a full season.

pantealex
28th November 2020, 15:35
€100k prize to Solberg... like he needs it.

He is young boy, he doesn´t get paid from any company. Really needs all money he can get.

Are you Eddie thinking that his Dad should give money to him forever ?

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:36
His prize for winning the junior category is two rounds in 2021 so we should see him a little bit at least, even if not for a full season.

Oh, not cash then. That's better.

mknight
28th November 2020, 15:36
Strange rally by Breen, not sure what's up with him. Sulking 'cos he wasnt picked for WRC Monza ?

He had same wrong choice as a few others with slicks on Friday morning and not the best in afternoon either. Today was somewhat ok on full wet in the morning, but who knows how those tires work in mixed conditions.

Fast Eddie WRC
28th November 2020, 15:37
He is young boy, he doesn´t get paid from any company. Really needs all money he can get.

Are you Eddie thinking that his Dad should give money to him forever ?

Some never had any daddy's money.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 15:43
He has the name, the cars, the sponsors already.


Some never had any daddy's money.

And so what? He won the prize and he deserves it.

Wake up finally, motorsport is not a charity event and your ever repeating rants about that are just irritating. Do you think that others don't know drivers who didn't make it anywhere because they didn't have money? I'm quite sure everyone here knows someone like that but doesn't need to cry a river about that everytime when someone with better backing wins something.

m-ast
28th November 2020, 15:49
Crazy end to both spanish championships, last stages great performance of Pernia, brought both titles to Pepe Lopez with his scratch in last stage

mknight
28th November 2020, 16:00
Crazy end to both spanish championships, last stages great performance of Pernia, brought both titles to Pepe Lopez with his scratch in last stage

Afaik both him and Lopez were on full slicks and Lopez saved them by driving at snails pace on stages before (+50s). Good drive sure, just brings some perspective vs Solans on half-wet.

bluuford
28th November 2020, 16:20
Nice rally :) So, who is codrivers champion?

Sulland
28th November 2020, 17:07
€100k prize to Solberg... like he needs it.

Well, all stickers on the car has been hunted down by Oliver himself. Petter has been kicking him out to talk to sponsors himself, to learn the business, by presenting himself and plans for the season.

He called Subaru US himself, without Petter knowing, fixed a testdrive that got him the seat for 2019.

Of course he has family money as well.
But if you were in Petters place and had money, your boy has talent, would you not help him?

Got Mail
28th November 2020, 17:10
Did Bassas make it back to service?

dimviii
28th November 2020, 17:24
I'd say he confirms my theory about not pushing before. Since the slicks on wet on friday morning he has never really pushed on the stages with tricky conditions.

Now whole stage was fully dry (and he has 2x wet 2x slick on) and he wins by largest gap of all stages so far (sure lot of people are not pushing).

EDIT: Also now Pirelli top 6 in stage.

lol what are you talking about man?
nobody pushed at this stage.
Pernia was second,Munster third,and Marczyk fourth.
Mikkelsens pace was almost zero.Wrong tyre choices had most of crews at some point.
But even when their choice was so and so,managed to make decent times.
Thats not a pace from a wrc regular.

m-ast
28th November 2020, 17:26
Did Bassas make it back to service?

GPS shows him on it

dimviii
28th November 2020, 17:27
Congrats to both Alexeys for their second Erc championship.Well deserved.
Very emotional Luky at the end with his best friend as he said.
Hope to see both of you at next year.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En7EfFEW4AAeWX6?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En7EfD9W4AA2r2t?format=jpg&name=large

dimviii
28th November 2020, 17:30
€100k prize to Solberg... like he needs it.

i would give me to Ingram.

TheFlyingTuga
28th November 2020, 17:41
The super champion that got beat by some locals in similar cars?

dimviii
28th November 2020, 17:44
The super champion that got beat by some locals in similar cars?

yes but he won a stage a whole year.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 17:45
Nice video
https://youtu.be/ByxmYBUbCnU

Rally Power
28th November 2020, 17:51
Congrats to Luky for a deserved title but also to Solberg and Breen, for providing the best ERC season of the last years. Hope Eurosport manages to get more top drivers next season, as the ERC seems now more interesting than the divided WRC2/3.

Incredible turnaround on the spanish series; once this isn’t about one rally but rather the whole season, huge congrats to Lopez, his codriver and Sports&You team. Well done guys!

Lopez main rivals, Suarez and Solans, also deserve hats off, just like Fourmaux for the rally win and Ares for the pace. Fingers crossed for 2021, hoping we get over covid ASAP.

Rally Power
28th November 2020, 18:00
Nice rally :) So, who is codrivers champion?

Yep, ideal for weather experts ;). Codrivers title probably went to Eremeev, Luky codriver until this event.

RS
28th November 2020, 18:16
Lukyanuk didn’t seem delighted with his title but he did seem quite emotional. Perhaps something going on with him we don’t know about.

Didn’t quite seem himself all year tbh, maybe the toll of having to constantly worry about budget and drive with caution in mind when he’s naturally more of a ‘fighter’

dimviii
28th November 2020, 18:25
Lukyanuk didn’t seem delighted with his title but he did seem quite emotional. Perhaps something going on with him we don’t know about.

Didn’t quite seem himself all year tbh, maybe the toll of having to constantly worry about budget and drive with caution in mind when he’s naturally more of a ‘fighter’

imho it was that he couldnt drive as he wanted.
I can understand him.

Mirek
28th November 2020, 18:52
WRCantabria video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByxmYBUbCnU

RS
28th November 2020, 18:57
imho it was that he couldnt drive as he wanted.
I can understand him.

The weather conditions were a real shame here, not so much that it rained but that it became such a lottery. Could have been an epic battle had it been dry and we’d have had more helicopter footage too. But under the circumstances we should be happy the rally happened at all.

Maybe if Luky carries on next year he should drive for wins instead of thinking about the championship title, he’d probably enjoy it more.

mknight
28th November 2020, 19:00
lol what are you talking about man?
nobody pushed at this stage.
Pernia was second,Munster third,and Marczyk fourth.
Mikkelsens pace was almost zero.Wrong tyre choices had most of crews at some point.
But even when their choice was so and so,managed to make decent times.
Thats not a pace from a wrc regular.

Lol you just messed things completely.

a) The results you mention are from SS16, I was talking about SS15 which he won by 6s, largest gap of any stage win in the rally.

b) The 3 drivers you mentioned were on 4 slicks whole afternoon...and still they didn't beat him on those two stages in full dry while he and everyone else in top 10 had 2 wet tires.

c) Mikkelsen's "almost zero" pace today resulted in him winning 2nd leg on speed. (without the 20s TC penalty)

d) Mikkelsen is not a WRC regular for 15 months now and this was his second rally in those 15 months. Check where WRC regular Breen ended.

Sure after 2 wrong tire choices yesterday the morning pace was uninspired. Afternoon was fine.

focus206
28th November 2020, 19:00
Congratulations to Lukyanuk, well deserved title. I'm glad he didn't throw it away like last year. Nice season for Oliver too.
And good job to Eurosport Events, ERC and every organizer for managing to run a good championship.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 19:31
Lol you just messed things completely.

a) The results you mention are from SS16, I was talking about SS15 which he won by 6s, largest gap of any stage win in the rally.

b) The 3 drivers you mentioned were on 4 slicks whole afternoon...and still they didn't beat him on those two stages in full dry while he and everyone else in top 10 had 2 wet tires.

c) Mikkelsen's "almost zero" pace today resulted in him winning 2nd leg on speed. (without the 20s TC penalty)

d) Mikkelsen is not a WRC regular for 15 months now and this was his second rally in those 15 months. Check where WRC regular Breen ended.

Sure after 2 wrong tire choices yesterday the morning pace was uninspired. Afternoon was fine.

exactly the same i wrote applies for ss 15
second overall was Munster,third was Devine,Fourmaux was 13th for example.
So Mikkelsen good times were when nobody pushed for both stages.
Breen has the extenuation of unprooven tyres.We dont know how good were his mrf.
Mikkelsen was on pirellis as Ares and Luky and Solberg.

mknight
28th November 2020, 19:48
exactly the same i wrote applies for ss 15
second overall was Munster,third was Devine,Fourmaux was 13th for example.
So Mikkelsen good times were when nobody pushed for both stages.
Breen has the extenuation of unprooven tyres.We dont know how good were his mrf.
Mikkelsen was on pirellis as Ares and Luky and Solberg.

As you don't read lets write it again:
- SS15, win by 6s largest gap in rally, for sure nobody out og the 25 cars was pushing...
- won 2nd leg
- 3 stage wins, same as Luykanuk, more than Formaux, Bonato, Ares. Only Solans has 4.


You know, you could just admit that you made a mistake and didn't follow the afternoon but that seems to be too hard.

dimviii
28th November 2020, 20:00
As you don't read lets write it again:
- SS15, win by 6s largest gap in rally, for sure nobody out og the 25 cars was pushing...
- won 2nd leg
- 3 stage wins, same as Luykanuk, more than Formaux, Bonato, Ares. Only Solans has 4.


You know, you could just admit that you made a mistake and didn't follow the afternoon but that seems to be too hard.

οκ Mikkelsen won same stages as Luky,more than Fourmaux and Ares.
Amazing pace when everybody cruised.
If its ok for you,i havent anything else to ad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En8DDipW8AU0jYV?format=png&name=small

dimviii
28th November 2020, 20:16
Passats de canto video,at first seconds Olivers moment.
https://youtu.be/C1gpD7WznRQ

m-ast
28th November 2020, 20:19
So it seems night will be long in gran canaria, lots of rumours about pernia car in spanish media, and it has a mark in provisional results along other four cars

dimviii
28th November 2020, 20:30
ADRacing video
https://youtu.be/D5bvlvj_0Wk

dimviii
28th November 2020, 20:31
So it seems night will be long in gran canaria, lots of rumours about pernia car in spanish media, and it has a mark in provisional results along other four cars

keep us informed mate.

m-ast
28th November 2020, 22:33
keep us informed mate.

For now, only car Nş50 disqualified due to weight, and protest of Solans rejected due to being late

dimviii
28th November 2020, 22:39
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En8lZIiXUAAx8lo?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En8lX4yXMAE5jZk?format=jpg&name=large

bluuford
28th November 2020, 23:16
Did Bassas make it back to service?

He made it to service but was disqualified later as he received outside assistance after last stage (ice cubes bag for cooling the engine down).

Rally Hokkaido
29th November 2020, 00:21
imho it was that he couldnt drive as he wanted.
I can understand him.

I agree. I read his comments after the rally when he said he was not happy with his driving today and that Islas Canarias should be Round 1 of ERC.

dimviii
29th November 2020, 08:11
Αny Spain speaking mate to tell us what Pernia said in this interview?
Why Pernia tried so much to keep behind Solans?

https://youtu.be/zmxQm8idn_8

TheFlyingTuga
29th November 2020, 09:30
He said that he didn't want to be in the middle of that war, but he was trying to reach the podium for the Spanish Championship and also, he had the tyres, so he wanted to win a stage in the ERC, so he go for it. He already had tried on the second to last stage, but Mikkelsen won by 1sec, so he tried again in the last one.

dimviii
29th November 2020, 10:52
Bassas and co-driver Alex Coronado were later excluded for using a bag of ice cubes in the engine bay, a violation of Article 2.13 of the Regional Rally sporting regulations which prohibits “the use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid)”.

It is the second time in as many years that the ERC3 Junior finale outcome between Rally Team Spain and Orsák Rally Sport has been decided by rally officials.

The 2019 ERC3 Junior finale on Barum Rally Zlín ended in acrimony, as Jean-Baptiste Franceschi was demoted from first to fourth after the finish with a notional time slower than the rest of the drivers in his class, handing Efrén Llarena victory and the title with it.

Franceschi had suffered a puncture on Kašava, which had been red flagged for a serious accident involving Martin Vlček after Franceschi had already entered the stage.

Given his slower split times from the puncture, Franceschi’s stage time was adjusted upwards by one minute after the finish, giving Llarena victory and costing Franceschi’s Orsák team-mate Ken Torn the ERC3 Junior title.

This time around Torn was the beneficiary.

Having already wrapped up the ERC3 and ERC3 Junior titles before the Canary Islands Rally, Torn added a fourth win to his 2020 tally, moving from second to first with Bassas’ exclusion.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/erc/fourmaux-almost-finished-maiden-erc-win-on-foot/

TheFlyingTuga
29th November 2020, 11:21
Well, to be fair, it was the right call. I had the impression last year that the Spanish Team had benefits for Llarena's title. But last year was kind of strange, except for the ERC Juniors, the Champions were not the fastest guys on the classes

dimviii
29th November 2020, 12:12
Efren llarena
@efren_llarena

End of the Canarias rally, without a doubt the worst rally of my life. We went for a dry setup and slick wheels thinking it was going to dry, and clearly we got confused, I lost confidence with the car, and I haven't been able to find it again the whole rally. There are no excuses, it's my fault

Mirek
29th November 2020, 14:34
That was pretty big crash.

Mirek
29th November 2020, 14:38
He made it to service but was disqualified later as he received outside assistance after last stage (ice cubes bag for cooling the engine down).

Next time they should avoid doing forbidden actions right in front of Eurosport camera in the live stream.

dimviii
29th November 2020, 16:18
Next time they should avoid doing forbidden actions right in front of Eurosport camera in the live stream.

same i was thinking when i was watching it live.Huge mistake.

dimviii
29th November 2020, 17:00
https://twitter.com/mariaalvarez321/status/1332734180388704262

Jarek Z
29th November 2020, 19:26
Lukyanuk didn’t seem delighted with his title but he did seem quite emotional. Perhaps something going on with him we don’t know about.

Didn’t quite seem himself all year tbh, maybe the toll of having to constantly worry about budget and drive with caution in mind when he’s naturally more of a ‘fighter’


imho it was that he couldnt drive as he wanted.
I can understand him.


I agree. I read his comments after the rally when he said he was not happy with his driving today and that Islas Canarias should be Round 1 of ERC.

I'm afraid that is the only way to go for Lukyanuk. If anybody allows him to be himself and "drive as he wants" he may lose everything again. We saw it in recent years when he lost 3 times to Kajto and once to Ingram. The only titles that he ever won were when somebody was controlling him and/or he had to worry about budget...

mknight
29th November 2020, 19:48
He said that he didn't want to be in the middle of that war, but he was trying to reach the podium for the Spanish Championship and also, he had the tyres, so he wanted to win a stage in the ERC, so he go for it. He already had tried on the second to last stage, but Mikkelsen won by 1sec, so he tried again in the last one.

Ahh I see, Mikkelsen's complete lack of pace on 2 wet tires meant that Pernia that wasn't pushing on his 4 slicks wasn't able to beat him.

For a moment there I was a bit confused.

Rally Power
29th November 2020, 20:25
I believe it wasn’t yet told: Pernia kept his result in the rally, as nothing wrong was found on his tyres barcodes.
https://www.revistascratch.com/s-cer/noticia/surhayen-pernia-mantiene-el-segundo-puesto-y-la-fia-desestima-la-apelacion-de-nil-solans-59331

Final classification: https://atodomotor.blob.core.windows.net/contents/race/2020/islascanarias/FinalFIA.pdf

dimviii
29th November 2020, 20:26
Ahh I see, Mikkelsen's complete lack of pace on 2 wet tires meant that Pernia that wasn't pushing on his 4 slicks wasn't able to beat him.

For a moment there I was a bit confused.

Pernia was at Saturday stages 16th,16th,14th,12th,15th,6th,2nd,2nd.
at Friday was 18th,23th,37th,23th,5th,5th,11th,13th,11th
it is easy to understand that he was fast when nobody pushed,exactly like Mikkelsen .
So he is not the driver at this rally to measure Mikkelsens speed.

Fast Eddie WRC
30th November 2020, 13:10
Mikkelsen's tyre choices f***** his chances:

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-tricky-island-trip-that-may-have-been-a-top-monza-warm-up

er88
30th November 2020, 17:01
Mikkelsen showing what his issues are on this rally. Whenever he doesn't have optimum feeling with the car/ setup/tyres, his times can plummet massively along with his confidence.

This is one of the reasons why he hasn't kicked on like Neuville, Tanak etc. In rallying you will be on the wrong tyres, you will have the wrong setup or the car won't be at it's best at times, but the best drivers make the most of it.

Jarek Z
30th November 2020, 21:36
Andreas Mikkelsen has published the second part of his My Life video from Canarias. He hoped for a good tyre choice...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhvdbNPtKsc

denkimi
30th November 2020, 22:28
Mikkelsen showing what his issues are on this rally. Whenever he doesn't have optimum feeling with the car/ setup/tyres, his times can plummet massively along with his confidence.

This is one of the reasons why he hasn't kicked on like Neuville, Tanak etc. In rallying you will be on the wrong tyres, you will have the wrong setup or the car won't be at it's best at times, but the best drivers make the most of it.
indeed. the ability to go fast when things are not right is what separates the good from the best drivers.
latvala was just the same.

Lead
1st December 2020, 09:01
Mikkelsen showing what his issues are on this rally. Whenever he doesn't have optimum feeling with the car/ setup/tyres, his times can plummet massively along with his confidence.

This is one of the reasons why he hasn't kicked on like Neuville, Tanak etc. In rallying you will be on the wrong tyres, you will have the wrong setup or the car won't be at it's best at times, but the best drivers make the most of it.
Somehow I agree you can point this to his WRC career, but looking back to this exact rally and Mikkelsen's point of view (as also he explained in his video series) - after friday first loop stages, his chances for high result were gone (lost almost 2min) and further bad tyre choices didnt elevate his confidence either, so there was no point of taking any unnecesary risks during the rest of the rally (damaging the car or even crashing out pushing for really nothing). He had absolutely nothing to prove here. We all know he can be fast, this just wasnt his weekend and thats that. The main thing here is - what can you as driver take from this bad experience (or poor decision making tyre choices) and use it in good way to your future starts.

And this time we dont have to wait long... the Monza rally is just around the corner. Lets see what lessons he has learned and how can he will adapt to new circumstances.

EDIT: Tyre choice is really tricky thing when you have conditions like last weekend. In WRC there is a weather crew working for you on that, but when you are on your own with incomplete information, thats different. He went for risk and it didnt work out. That happens.

Mirek
1st December 2020, 09:56
EDIT: Tyre choice is really tricky thing when you have conditions like last weekend. In WRC there is a weather crew working for you on that, but when you are on your own with incomplete information, thats different. He went for risk and it didnt work out. That happens.

The following is not exactly about Mikkelsen since I don't know his conditons.

This is a thing many people tend to overlook. Things like this play huge role and of course to have them properly sorted costs money. A lot of money which is not dedicated to the cost of the car and its running and which is therefore often ignored in discussions about budgets and cost saving. The thing however is that often it is better to spend much more and get the result instead of spending less and getting nothing back. In other words to succeed from time to time with limited budget is possible but to succeed systematically in a long run needs more than a driver and a car.

Sulland
1st December 2020, 10:28
When tricky conditions, it is always smart to "spy" on the best local drivers to see what kind of tires they put on.
They have driven same kind of roads many times before, and have good weather intel from friends out on the stages.

Lead
1st December 2020, 10:55
When tricky conditions, it is always smart to "spy" on the best local drivers to see what kind of tires they put on.
They have driven same kind of roads many times before, and have good weather intel from friends out on the stages.

Exactly, thats a thing I always wonder about. If not sure, you can always seek more info from local drivers. Who else would know better?

dimviii
1st December 2020, 11:30
Exactly, thats a thing I always wonder about. If not sure, you can always seek more info from local drivers. Who else would know better?

we used to do it even with just rally fans they happened to be friends.They were spread at many stages,and plenty of times we had usefull weather info real time from various parts of stages.

Jarek Z
1st December 2020, 12:59
When tricky conditions, it is always smart to "spy" on the best local drivers to see what kind of tires they put on.


Maybe it didn't come to his mind, he spent most of the time in WRC and there are usually no local drivers in WRC ;)

Mirek
1st December 2020, 13:14
Exactly, thats a thing I always wonder about. If not sure, you can always seek more info from local drivers. Who else would know better?

That's hardly a bullet proof solution. Let's say better than nothing but still very unrealiable.


we used to do it even with just rally fans they happened to be friends.They were spread at many stages,and plenty of times we had usefull weather info real time from various parts of stages.

That is definitely good thing to do however there are still plenty of places where you have no GSM signal and uusally that happens especially in the events where the choice is the hardest (the famous Monte Carlo 2011 Škoda tyre fuck-up - we were on that critical stage but there was no GSM signal anywhere so even when we wanted we could not give any info).

dimviii
1st December 2020, 13:20
That is definitely good thing to do however there are still plenty of places where you have no GSM signal and uusally that happens especially in the events where the choice is the hardest (the famous Monte Carlo 2011 Škoda tyre fuck-up - we were on that critical stage but there was no GSM signal anywhere so even when we wanted we could not give any info).

yes thats a problem that we had come through.Sometimes walking 3-4 corners away you could find signal,but there were stages that there wasnt at all signal for kms

PLuto
3rd December 2020, 09:45
That's hardly a bullet proof solution. Let's say better than nothing but still very unrealiable.

But still more reliable than believe to Skoda engineers :D

Co-driven
3rd December 2020, 12:40
Pirelli engineers usually send info (usually with a lot of photos and descriptions of conditions on stages) from the stages before crew leave service and send what they think is the best option. In most cases, you see drivers not following them and trying to gamble by themselves.

For example, in Hungary no one of the top drivers chose what Pirelli had suggested for the first leg's loop. In Canarias, on Friday morning, Pirelli's suggestion was a mix of wet + supersofts....

PLuto
4th December 2020, 10:31
Maybe you will be interested to see my "title chances" calculations before Canarias ;)

General classification:

a) if Lindholm will stay in results of Latvia and points will remain unchanged
Lukyanuk - in case of Solberg win with full 40 points, he needs to score at least 21 points to be champion
Lukyanuk - if Solberg score at least 28 points, he needs to score at least 9 points (and it continues 29-10, 30-11, 31-12, 32-13, 33-14, 34-15, 35-16, 36-17, 37-18, 38-19, 39-20, 40-21)

Solberg - to be a champion, he needs to score at least 28 points and at least 20 points more than Lukyanuk (Lukyanuk will be deleting 8 points from Hungary), so Solberg will be champion if points will be 28-0, 28-1, 28-2, 28-3, 28-4, 28-5, 28-6, 28-7, 28-8, 29-9, 30-10, 31-11, 32-12, 33-13, 34-14, 35-15, 36-16, 37-17, 38-18, 39-19, 40-20)

Without Spa, Munster cannot be a champion.


b) if Lindholm will be excluded from Latvia and points will be redistributed
Without Spa, situation is completely same as above (Munster has 3 points more, but it will not help him to beat Lukyanuk)


c) as Eremeev will not start in Canarias and will be replaced by Arnautov, we can see the unique situation when champions will be Lukyanuk and Johnston...


ERC2:

Erdi - will be champion if he will score at least 14 points
Melegari - to be a champion, he needs to score 27 more points than Erdi and not loose more than 5 points to Mabellini
Mabellini - to be a champion, he needs to score at least 32 points, at least 32 more points than Erdi and at least 6 more points than Melegari

- codrivers championship is more open, it will be fight between Csoko (Erdi) and Kokins (Feofanov). Csoko needs to score 5 more points than Kokins ; Kokins needs to score 6 points more than Csoko


ERC3:

Without Spa it is clear, Torn is champion, cannot be beaten


ERC1J:
a) if Lindholm will stay in results of Latvia and points will remain unchanged

Munster: to be a champion, if Solberg scores at least 18 points, he needs to score at least 25, so combinations Munster-Solberg: 25-18, 26-19, 27-20, 28-21, 29-22, 30-23, 31-24, 32-25, 33-26, 34-27, 35-28, 36-29, 37-30, 38-31, 39-32, 40-33)
Solberg: to be a champion, he needs to score at least 18 points and then at worse 6 points less than Munster, so combinations Solberg-Munster: 18-24, 19-25, 20-26, 21-27, 22-28, 23-29, 24-30, 25-31, 26-32, 27-33, 28-34, 29-35, 30-36, 31-37, 32-38, 33-39, 34-40

Without Spa, Llarena cannot be champion


b) if Lindholm will be excluded from Latvia and points will be redistributed
Munster: to be a champion, if Solberg scores at least 23 points, he needs to score at least 25, so combinations Munster-Solberg: 25-23, 26-24, 27-25, 28-26, 29-27, 30-28, 31-29, 32-30, 33-31, 34-32, 35-33, 36-34, 37-35, 38-36, 39-37, 40-38)
Solberg: to be a champion, he needs to score at least 23 points and then at worse 1 point less than Munster, so combinations Solberg-Munster: 23-24, 24-25, 25-26, 26-27, 27-28, 28-29, 29-30, 30-31, 31-32, 32-33, 33-34, 34-35, 35-36, 36-37, 37-38, 38-39, 39-40)

Without Spa, Llarena cannot be champion


ERC3J:

Without Spa it is clear, Torn is champion, cannot be beaten

ERC Teams:

It is only about Rallye Team Spain and Sainteloc Junior Team. Both teams are nominating three cars - Llarena, Solans and Bassas vs Lukyanuk, Griebel and Furuseth.

So they are fighting for 80 points max.


a) if Lindholm will stay in results of Latvia and points will remain unchanged
Rallye Team Spain: to be a champion, if Sainteloc scores at least 39 points, they needs to score at least 3 points more than Sainteloc, so winning situations: 42-39, 43-40, 44-41 etc.
Sainteloc: to be a champion, they need to score at least 39 points and not less than 1 points than RT, so winning situations: 39-40, 40-41, 41-42 etc.

b) if Lindholm will be excluded from Latvia and points will be redistributed
Rallye Team Spain: to be a champion, if Sainteloc scores at least 41 points, they needs to score at least 1 points more than Sainteloc, so winning situations: 42-41, 43-42, 44-43 etc.
Sainteloc: to be a champion, they need to score at least 41 points and at least 1 point more than RT, so winning situations: 41-40, 42-41, 43-42 etc.



Abarth:

Situation is clear, Mabellini is champion

I hope I am correct with the calculations.

In attachment I am sending also XLS file with current standings, you can write there easily all possible calculation as you want (dont forget to delete worst result if needed).

In a summary

General
possible champions drivers: Alexey Lukyanuk, Oliver Solberg
possible champions codrivers: Dmitriy Eremeev, Aaron Johnston
possible drivers on second place: Alexey Lukyanuk, Oliver Solberg, Grégoire Munster, Efrén Llarena
possible codrivers on second place: Dmiytiy Eremeev, Aaron Johnston, Louis Louka, Sara Fernandez
possible drivers on third place: Oliver Solberg, Grégoire Munster, Efrén Llarena
possible codrivers on third place: Dmiytiy Eremeev, Aaron Johnston, Louis Louka, Sara Fernandez

ERC2
possible champions drivers: Tibor Érdi jun., Zelindo Melegari, Andrea Mabellini
possible champions codrivers: Zoltán Csökö, Normunds Kokins
possible drivers on second place: Tibor Érdi jun., Zelindo Melegari, Andrea Mabellini, Dmitry Feofanov
possible codrivers on second place: Zoltán Csökö, Corrado Bonato, Normunds Kokins
possible drivers on third place: Tibor Érdi jun., Zelindo Melegari, Andrea Mabellini, Dmitry Feofanov
possible codrivers on third place: Zoltán Csökö, Corrado Bonato, Normunds Kokins

ERC3
possible champions drivers: Ken Torn
possible champions codrivers: Kauri Pannas
possible drivers on second place: Josep Bassas
possible codrivers on second place: Axel Coronado
possible drivers on third place: Amaury Molle, Adrienn Vogel, Pedro Almeida, Ola Nore jr.
possible codrivers on third place: Florian Barral, Ivett Notheisz, Hugo Magalhaes, Veronica Engan

ERC1J
possible champions drivers: Grégoire Munster, Oliver Solberg
possible drivers on second place: Grégoire Munster, Oliver Solberg
possible drivers on third place: Efrén Llarena, Miko Marczyk, Erik Cais, Callum Devine

ERC3J
possible champions drivers: Ken Torn
possible drivers on second place: Josep Bassas
possible drivers on third place: Dennis Rĺdström, Amaury Molle, Pedro Almeida, Ola Nore jr.

ERC Team
possible champion: Rallye Team Spain, Sainteloc Junior Team
possible second place: Rallye Team Spain, Sainteloc Junior Team, Estonian Autosport Junior Team
possible third place: Sainteloc Junior Team, Estonian Autosport Junior Team, Team MRF Tyres

Abarth
possible champion: Andrea Mabellini
possible drivers on second place: Martin Rada
possible drivers on third place: Roberto Gobbin