[WRC] Rally Catalunya

[EstWRC]

and no help for Ott again

[Tauri_J]

When Meeke pushes, he crashes...same old story all over again

[mknight]

Tbh at this point Meeke was told to push by Toyota. Obviously not to crash, but it's not like he crashed for no reason.

[EstWRC]

ok, Tänak only wants to finish

i thought maybe he just took the first one safely

[TypeR]

Hyundais are unbeatable here this year..

[KKS]

Heavy crash by Meeke. (

[Rallyper]

Anyone surprised. That´s the way it ends when having Meeke decide speed himself...

[EstWRC]

Neuville on Tänaks pace in spl1

[KKS]

Anyone surprised. That´s the way it ends when having Meeke decide speed himself...
To be honest, I hope after each crash it was last and he make some conclusions ... FINALLY! But no, another rally - another fckup

PS Meeke crashed only be 40sec on stage

[EstWRC]

interestingly Tänak and Latvala have been very fast in the second part of the stage, especially Latvala...2 secs faster than the others

[EstWRC]

man Neuvilles is really on form this weekend, amazing times

[mknight]

This was good from Loeb, mixed results from the first two.

Anyway the rally seemingly got quite boring really fast....

[dimviii]

This was good from Loeb, mixed results from the first two.
.

really what did you expect? Hyundai is 1-2-3,Tanak is half minute beside.

[mknight]

really what did you expect? Hyundai is 1-2-3,Tanak is half minute beside.

I actually expected Loeb to do worse.

But loosing 4s and position in first stage when it mattered isn't exactly the best result possible. Therefore "mixed results" so far.

Tanak is obviously cruising, which is the right thing to do.

[EstWRC]

whoa the beginnig of the stage really dirty already!

[dimviii]

I actually expected Loeb to do worse.

But loosing 4s and position in first stage when it mattered isn't exactly the best result possible. Therefore "mixed results" so far.

Tanak is obviously cruising, which is the right thing to do.

so for Tanak is expected to cruise,but for Loeb you expected to attack Neuville to steall the win?https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/crazy.gif

[doubled1978]

I actually expected Loeb to do worse.

But loosing 4s and position in first stage when it mattered isn't exactly the best result possible. Therefore "mixed results" so far.

Tanak is obviously cruising, which is the right thing to do.

Yeah, nobody is going to make Tanak push for manufacture points as he just needs to cruise round. Meeke has probably just decided the Manufacture title if nothing else happens

[EstWRC]

Meeke can be a huge joker tomorrow on the power stage

[rallyfiend]

Meeke can be a huge joker tomorrow on the power stage

He will not be allowed to drive fast in case he takes points from Tanak

[EstWRC]

yes but he can take also from Neuville

[krissucool]

He will not be allowed to drive fast in case he takes points from Tanak
Lol :D

[KKS]

Meeke can be a huge joker tomorrow on the power stage
if he can get to the finish

[KKS]

He will not be allowed to drive fast in case he takes points from Tanak
That Neuville need full points from this rally. Not Tanak

[EstWRC]

Tänak where the hurry now?

[dimviii]

it gets sillier


Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
·

According to @ksmlfi
and @mantyari
, Tommi had his phone stolen yesterday just before Tänak news broke. If that's true, the thief could be in possession of personal information and messages of A-bomb proportions.

[Rallyper]

it gets sillier


Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
·

According to @ksmlfi
and @mantyari
, Tommi had his phone stolen yesterday just before Tänak news broke. If that's true, the thief could be in possession of personal information and messages of A-bomb proportions.

Oouuschhhh!! :( :(

[EstWRC]

wow, this is getting so silly now

[TypeR]

Jari playing too much with the gears.. should get automatic gearbox then :D

[EstWRC]

painful to watch this Tänak crusing, guy isnt even trying:D

which is right of crouse

[krissucool]

painful to watch this Tänak crusing, guy isnt even trying:D

which is right of crouse

Thats one hell of a cruise on this stage

[Oliverk]

painful to watch this Tänak crusing, guy isnt even trying:D

which is right of crouse

Plz stop already. You are sounding silly. Think before you type.

[EstWRC]

cmon guys watch his driving style? im not sayin because of the times but driving

if he is on it he is really flicking the car around, you can see how carefully he is taking the lines...at least the two first stages

[krissucool]

The stage win run is alive!

[EstWRC]

Loeb very slow so far, 6.8 already in third split already

first stage of the rally for Toyota!

[KKS]

Huge understeer for Loeb and exact reacting on time

[EstWRC]

nothing wrong with Loeb, just no rhytm, actually took time back with the ending

[KKS]

eWRC-results39m
Looks like missing "The second left one at the right rear" :) #WRCLive
@Becsywecsy

))))
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHyqaV1WoAADipJ?format=jpg

[KKS]

Interesting what Mads say after flying finish. Any translation?

[Oliverk]

Interesting what Mads say after flying finish. Any translation?

Probably somethind in norwegian that resembles Shitroen.

[SubaruNorway]

Interesting what Mads say after flying finish. Any translation?

Why is it always like this, or something like that. Probably the brakes again

[TypeR]

can't understand why Mads keeps and keeps driving with the C3R5.. only to get in the C3 WRC?

[KKS]

can't understand why Mads keeps and keeps driving with the C3R5.. only to get in the C3 WRC?
yep. To stay loyal to the team. And seems that not work for him, despite he even on startlist in Australia

[EstWRC]

Day 2 so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/54472-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2019/?leg=2

[mknight]

so for Tanak is expected to cruise,but for Loeb you expected to attack Neuville to steall the win?https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/crazy.gif

Now you are just being an idiot, like normally. Obviously Loeb had something to push for on first tarmac stage 13s ahead of pushing Meeke.

Anyway Loeb just confirmed the "mixed" results, statement.

[dimviii]

Now you are just being an idiot, like normally. Obviously Loeb had something to push for on first tarmac stage 13s ahead of pushing Meeke.

Anyway Loeb just confirmed the "mixed" results, statement.

the only idiot here is you.
Loeb was hired for a reason.
after a year, is clearly that you havent understand the reason they hired him.
plenty of idiot comments about him.

[SubaruNorway]

please, don't let the brunette lady comment no more.. ,,He(Loeb)won it 9 times in a row, maybe he can make it 10 in a row..''

it was 8x in a row, 9th last year and now only leading..

She meant the 9 times he drove in a row, he didn't drive those years between 2013-17

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHy2A_dXkAEF9bn?format=jpg&name=large

[Norm75]

To be honest, I hope after each crash it was last and he make some conclusions ... FINALLY! But no, another rally - another fckup

PS Meeke crashed only be 40sec on stage
Until we know what happened we should refrain from being too judgemental.
At the end of last stage Kris said he had puncture warning light on the dash, but appeared ok. It is possible he had a sudden drop in tyre pressure that put him into the barrier, rather than pure driving error.

[KKS]

Until we know what happened we should refrain from being too judgemental.
At the end of last stage Kris said he had puncture warning light on the dash, but appeared ok. It is possible he had a sudden drop in tyre pressure that put him into the barrier, rather than pure driving error.
at this time as tyre marks on surface seems that overjudge speed entry and go wide.
But yes, could be wrong.

[RS]

Seems works Skoda boys had a much better asphalt set up than gravel.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Meeke crashed out and Evans screwed his set-up this morning.

Glad I watched England beating NZ in the Rugby World Cup semi-final ! :)

[Rally Power]

can't understand why Mads keeps and keeps driving with the C3R5.. only to get in the C3 WRC?

I would ask the other way around; why is Citroen still supporting him? The C3 R5 keeps winning events in competitive national series and even in the ERC while Ostberg is still unable to feel at ease in it. Clearly, the C3 doesn’t suit his driving style but the way he’s showing his frustration makes people to wrongly blame the car or the brand (btw, although backed by Citroen, his program is run by a private Belgium team).

[SubaruNorway]

at this time as tyre marks on surface seems that overjudge speed entry and go wide.
But yes, could be wrong.

170kph coming into a 4 left tightens on cold tyres, so easy to get wrong

[dimviii]

Sat 12:17 - Media Zone - Andrea Adamo
"We have to see the bigger picture - of course Kris sadly crashed and now we have to manage it differently without taking too many risks. Our definition of risk is slightly different than a drivers' definition of risk! I guess in the last stage that Seb and Daniel were backing off a little bit too much but it's difficult. I am calm and relaxed!"

Sat 12:13 - Media Zone - Loeb
"In the last stage, maybe I was a bit too cautious. I didn't want to make a mistake in the morning and Thierry is going very fast. The feeling with the car is good and the balance is nice: it's not bad, I'm in a better rhythm than I was in Monte Carlo."

Sat 12:11 - Media Zone - Sordo
"When it is a little bit dirty I lose a lot of time and don't keep up the speed in these type of corners. On normal roads I am okay but in gravelly or muddy places I do not put enough speed in the corners. Of course I would like to finish 1-2-3 on the podium and after I saw Kris off the road I lost concentration a little bit. We have a little bit of pressure and I would prefer to have less work to do in Australia! I will keep pushing to put pressure on Ott."

Sat 12:08 - Media Zone - Neuville
"Perfect morning for us - we had a good feeling and good speed. We are up to the position where we want and need to be. Obviously Tanak is going to try and chase Dani and us too. Hopefully my teammates will do job and we can afternoon as well."

[RS]

I would ask the other way around; why is Citroen still supporting him? The C3 R5 keeps winning events in competitive national series and even in the ERC while Ostberg is still unable to feel at ease in it. Clearly, the C3 doesn’t suit his driving style but the way he’s showing his frustration makes people to wrongly blame the car or the brand (btw, although backed by Citroen, his program is run by a private Belgium team).

He's actually pretty fast, especially on gravel so i don't know what all the whining is for. But Mads must be Mads.

[EstWRC]

#Tyre info: Day 2 afternoon - SS10-SS13

All the @Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport H5

#MichelinWRC #RallyRACC

[eib1]

from Kris FB:

Hi everyone,

I knew that I had to put it on the line as Rally Catalunya moved from gravel to asphalt this morning; Seb Marshall and I had to try to do something about the Hyundais, because they were one-two-three overnight. And it looked promising after the opening stage of the day - but ultimately a small mistake has cost us very dearly and I’m back here in service for the rest of the day.

With the transition from gravel to tarmac, you’re always wondering what the car will feel like and how it matches up to the test, but on the opening stage this morning the rhythm was good. The TOYOTA GAZOO Racing WRC Yaris felt incredible, in fact - and our time was enough for us to get up to third overall and move a little closer to the rally lead.

But then on the second stage, not too far in, I braked for a fast left-hand bend that tightened. I knew the corner well, but the moment that I touched the middle pedal I locked the rear brakes. As soon as that happens you lose some metres of braking, so I didn’t make the corner. I touched the barrier with the rear of the car and that was it: game over.

I’m annoyed, frustrated and gutted for the team. It would have been nice to have been in the thick of that fight, with beautiful weather and lovely asphalt stages. But unfortunately it wasn’t to be.

Let’s see about tomorrow. We have to see what the situation is with Ott and the driver’s championship, how that develops between now and the PowerStage. He may need as many points as possible from that stage, so it may be a situation where we don’t have to push. We’ll just see how today develops and gauge the lie of the land tomorrow morning.

Thanks, as always, for your support,

Kris

[Rallyper]

I would ask the other way around; why is Citroen still supporting him? The C3 R5 keeps winning events in competitive national series and even in the ERC while Ostberg is still unable to feel at ease in it. Clearly, the C3 doesn’t suit his driving style but the way he’s showing his frustration makes people to wrongly blame the car or the brand (btw, although backed by Citroen, his program is run by a private Belgium team).

I would generally say that Mads uses the car much more than the village people driving ERC ooops... now I sounded like NOT, but still. You have to understand the difference in taking out maximum in the C3R5 just don´t work. But works in ERC.

[Tauri_J]

I think Lukyanuk has given C3R5 a good beating.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Doesnt sound like Ogier's going anywhere different next year...

"My feeling in the car is better than the last time we raced on tarmac so there's some positive. I'm happy to confirm with the times that the tests went in the right direction. The next car is a couple of minutes in front, so we'll probably use the afternoon to do some more work"

[KKS]

with this kind of pace Rovanpera might beat Ostberg till the end of a day.

[KKS]

Doesnt sound like Ogier's going anywhere different next year...

He could rule his emotions a little bit better than his wife. So it could be anything

[mousti]

I would generally say that Mads uses the car much more than the village people driving ERC ooops... now I sounded like NOT, but still. You have to understand the difference in taking out maximum in the C3R5 just don´t work. But works in ERC.

The person who wins with C3 R5 in ERC is the defenition of someone who is taking the maximum out of a car, Mister Lukyanuk.

[Rallyper]

The person who wins with C3 R5 in ERC is the defenition of someone who is taking the maximum out of a car, Mister Lukyanuk.

I have no evidents but how much slower is Lycky than Mads? 0,3-0,5 s/K? That might be the big difference what the car can manage. Of course different driving style matters as well...

[KKS]

All three Hyundais starts to struggle. Even Loeb +1.2sec so far

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier only 6th fastest on this one. Seems he wouldnt be in the fight even without his steering problem.

Citroen's Spanish domination is history.

[T16]

Ogier only 6th fastest on this one. Seems he wouldnt be in the fight even without his steering problem.

Citroen's Spanish domination is history.

Is there any point him pushing now?

Can they not win in the future, if they continue in the WRC?

[KKS]

Ogier only 6th fastest on this one. Seems he wouldnt be in the fight even without his steering problem.

Citroen's Spanish domination is history.
you seems following another rally
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/54472-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2019/?leg=2

[KKS]

Watch Meeke onboard crash - seems like pure driver mistake

[SubaruNorway]

The person who wins with C3 R5 in ERC is the defenition of someone who is taking the maximum out of a car, Mister Lukyanuk.

He retires more than he wins with it though

[KKS]

2,8 of 6.3 as half-way done for Ott
It could be P3 for Tanak now

[KKS]

/looking into Loeb splits/
it even could be P2 for Tanak with such poor performance by Loeb

[KKS]

Sordo: It's not possible, maybe Ott smoking eh
:D

[Portimao]

Loeb is losing it quite havily

[Tauri_J]

Watch Meeke onboard crash - seems like pure driver mistake

thats what he said

[EstWRC]

What the ? I have been away all the stages and Ott won them all?

It seems he wants to get the title here.

[mknight]

Loeb slowest WRC in 2 out of 3 afternoon stages. Back to Corsica situation then.

[KKS]

thats what he said
He said that it caused by locking-up rear brakes

[Tauri_J]

He said that it caused by locking-up rear brakes

Too hard on brakes.

[mknight]

Adamo looked seriously pissed off.

[krissucool]

And that is why you should not leave the fastest car for Hyundai.

Sebastien Loeb, arguably the fastest tarmac driver ever is currently the slowest WRC with that car. Mikkelsen is slowest every time he drives it on tarmac.

Dont think you cant drive fast with it (look at Neuville), it is just incredibly difficult to learn to do it with that car. Look at the 9 time champ.

[EstWRC]

And that is why you should not leave the fastest car for Hyundai.

Sebastien Loeb, arguably the fastest tarmac driver ever is currently the slowest WRC with that car. Mikkelsen is slowest every time he drives it on tarmac.

Dont think you cant drive fast with it (look at Neuville), it is just incredibly difficult to learn to do it with that car. Look at the 9 time champ.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/54472-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2019/?leg=2

[gorganl2000]

Sordo and Loeb are losing the battle to Tanak, and to be honest i can't say i'm surprised. Today Tanak has shown "tanak" pace, how many persons can hold him back whens he's driving like this, even Neuville, the best with the Hyundia WRC car, is losing time to him since Meeke's crash. It seems Tanak has decided to determine his own fate with regards to the WDC and has been driving to get that 2nd/3rd position he needs, and who can blame him.
Sordo and Loeb were hired to do an important job, secure manufacturer's points and they are well on course to doing that, granted it would have been better to keep Tanak behind, but that's no easy task. So i can't really blame Sordo and Loeb, it makes no sense over-driving and going off the road and losing even more points and giving Toyota a bigger haul with Latvala benefiting as well position wise if that had to happen. They can't stop Tanak, but maybe they can keep Latvala at bay and hope Neuville keeps his position....so the net effect is that Hyundai's manufacturing championship lead would be extended (just not as much as they would have liked, but nonetheless it increases)

[mknight]

Was expecting much more from Evans after Corsica, but he was barely faster than Suninen over the leg.

[tommeke_B]

And that is why you should not leave the fastest car for Hyundai.

Sebastien Loeb, arguably the fastest tarmac driver ever is currently the slowest WRC with that car. Mikkelsen is slowest every time he drives it on tarmac.

Dont think you cant drive fast with it (look at Neuville), it is just incredibly difficult to learn to do it with that car. Look at the 9 time champ.

Not leave the fastest car? Maybe the fastest car is actually the Hyundai right now... ;) If everything at Toyota is as perfect as it looks from the outside, Tänak wouldn't be leaving.

[gorganl2000]

with regards to the 2nd leg results thus far, some note may need to be given with respect to Tanak. Tanak significantly turned up the charge after Meeke's crash in stage 8 and has won every stage since stage 9, so it begs one to think he could have been leading the 2nd leg results if he had the same intent from this morning. but that's all speculative

[mknight]

with regards to the 2nd leg results thus far, some note may need to be given with respect to Tanak. Tanak significantly turned up the charge after Meeke's crash in stage 8 and has won every stage since stage 9, so it begs one to think he could have been leading the 2nd leg results if he had the same intent from this morning. but that's all speculative

Exactly, before Meeke crash it was Meeke's job to push, after his crash Tanak decided to do it himself and won every single stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

you seems following another rally
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/54472-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2019/?leg=2

So where's the Citroen domination ?

[KKS]

So where's the Citroen domination ?
Why you talking about domination? You say if Ogier not have powersteering problems he will be nowhere. Nowhere it's 7.5sec of the lead.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why you talking about domination? You say if Ogier not have powersteering problems he will be nowhere. Nowhere it's 7.5sec of the lead.




Citroen's Spanish domination is history.

He's still slower and has no pressure like Tanak and Neuville.

[Indreq]

stages should be on but on rally-live i only see some random chatting???

[Oliverk]

Wrc+ has gone mad. Mby they turned their clocks already?

[TypeR]

Awesome Live coverage

[T16]

He's still slower and has no pressure like Tanak and Neuville.

Eddie, he's not going to get anywhere. Might as well save the car for the PS. Have a think.

[mknight]

So JML managed to have a small crash and we saw nothing

[steve.mandzij]

So JML managed to have a small crash and we saw nothingOn Salou?

The remaining Toyotas' pace has been really good this afternoon. It would have been convenient if Jari had kept on the sharp end yesterday but he's doing well to replace Meeke's backup spot.

[mknight]

On Salou?

The remaining Toyotas' pace has been really good this afternoon. It would have been convenient if Jari had kept on the sharp end yesterday but he's doing well to replace Meeke's backup spot.

Yes, but looks like just cosmetic damage.

[mknight]

Rovanpera ripped off wheel?

[KKS]

on trouble for sure

[mknight]

Ouch, quite stupid. But he will probably survive to service without getting excluded.

[KKS]

But fight for WRC2Pro over and Mads could breathe free )

[Indreq]

is my calculation correct - Ott needs 4 points from PS if he stays on 3rd position to secure WDC in case Neuville goes for max?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH0CeExWwAIHGqX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH0Ce0JXkAEOPtA.jpg

[dimviii]

Gryazin crashed on the SSS as well, looks like he won't go any further today..

Andolfi lost wheel too

[dimviii]

Latvalas mistake at ss 13
https://twitter.com/eWRCresults/status/1188123708042424320

[KKS]

Gryazin retire from last stage

[T16]

Any video from Meeke crash yet?

[Rally Power]

But fight for WRC2Pro over and Mads could breathe free )

On another C3, Camilli ends the day just 3.0s behind Ostberg. We can end having again a WRC2 winner in front of a Pro, on this silly WRC2 split.

[Rally Power]

Sordo and Loeb are losing the battle to Tanak, and to be honest i can't say i'm surprised.

Yep, the only surprise is that he'll get his (hugely deserved) title before the Brits get their Brexit...;)

[the sniper]

Any video from Meeke crash yet?

The onboard was shown at the start of SS12 on AllLive.

[cali]

Not leave the fastest car? Maybe the fastest car is actually the Hyundai right now... ;) If everything at Toyota is as perfect as it looks from the outside, Tänak wouldn't be leaving.Tom, I agree with you. There's more than we know and if we compare other Toyota's pace to Hyundai than I would say Hyundai is better. It's Tänak who is carrying them all the time while all other Hyundais are beating Latvala and Meeke fair and square.

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[Rallyper]

Tom, I agree with you. There's more than we know and if we compare other Toyota's pace to Hyundai than I would say Hyundai is better. It's Tänak who is carrying them all the time while all other Hyundais are beating Latvala and Meeke fair and square.

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But is he leaving? It´s confirmed?

[cali]

But is he leaving? It´s confirmed?Not confirmed but I all signs show that Hyundai is the next stop.

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[Barreis]

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/146766

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH0ayx0XkAAoCLL?format=jpg&name=large

[TypeR]

Yes, D. Evans doesn't confirm anybody's contracts with his posts, but...
Tänak is about to secure his first WDC with Toyota.. and how much have you seen Tommi being interviewed or shown @ AllLive..?
Haven't seen Budar, Millener or even Tommi talking to Tänak so close.. Maybe it all just seems that way, but there must be something going on..
And as far as Tänak gets the title, me myself don't care, where he goes.. I think he and Märtin are ,,a bit,, smarter about the decision :D

[T16]

Yes, D. Evans doesn't confirm anybody's contracts with his posts, but...
Tänak is about to secure his first WDC with Toyota.. and how much have you seen Tommi being interviewed or shown @ AllLive..?
Haven't seen Budar, Millener or even Tommi talking to Tänak so close.. Maybe it all just seems that way, but there must be something going on..
And as far as Tänak gets the title, me myself don't care, where he goes.. I think he and Märtin are ,,a bit,, smarter about the decision :D

There’s no way is would be stated that he signed a contract a month ago unless it was sealed. No way.

[Fredouye]

A few pictures from yesterday (Gandesa and La Fatarella, both runs).
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/e7c0a0f86013c947d783bd3d79977420.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/0fa0ce42d3765cbd692fc36e65ca6aec.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/8cc60d2722ebd9f0efc73f11fd1321f1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/343004296e096c2564ecfa7b4fe74b14.jpg

[Fredouye]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/20568bc6903af93a22fb474f233cf44c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/ddd838940e2d14a23419edde6f478d68.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/6ced6df4d821e8eb619d507f34af123c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191026/3dde4bd0af9e3def1f650336bf4f0b57.jpg

[mknight]

The closest big question is what Toyota will do, being "suddenly" without a top 3 driver and with 2 "variably performing" drivers without contracts.
Extremes range from
- complete change with Ogier (I doubt that), Evans, Mikkelsen and Rovanpera/Katsuta
to
- no change (Meeke, Latvala, Rovanpera) and focusing on developing Rovanpera and the car

and then there are off course many options between.

[hari]

Some pictures from Saturday: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_catalunya_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/4.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/11.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/16.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/5.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/catalunya3/41.jpg

[Eli]

Yes, D. Evans doesn't confirm anybody's contracts with his posts, but...
Tänak is about to secure his first WDC with Toyota.. and how much have you seen Tommi being interviewed or shown @ AllLive..?
Haven't seen Budar, Millener or even Tommi talking to Tänak so close.. Maybe it all just seems that way, but there must be something going on..
And as far as Tänak gets the title, me myself don't care, where he goes.. I think he and Märtin are ,,a bit,, smarter about the decision :D

In fact, since yesterday there was no sign of Budar what so ever.....really really strange, even when Citroen went live on fb channel, they haven't interviewed Pierre so I would say it's very strange indeed....and as for the Hyundai situation just at the end of day press conference when Sordo was asked if he'd help his teammates then Neuville immediately teased him and asked 'which of his teammates'...take from it what you will, to me it sounds like conformation of Autosport's article from yesterday....

[EstWRC]

In fact, since yesterday there was no sign of Budar what so ever.....really really strange, even when Citroen went live on fb channel, they haven't interviewed Pierre so I would say it's very strange indeed....and as for the Hyundai situation just at the end of day press conference when Sordo was asked if he'd help his teammates then Neuville immediately teased him and asked 'which of his teammates'...take from it what you will, to me it sounds like conformation of Autosport's article from yesterday....


Here is the situation https://twitter.com/reiu_andre/status/1188145434314838017?s=21

Ott looks quite uncomfortable

[Eli]

Here is the situation https://twitter.com/reiu_andre/status/1188145434314838017?s=21

Ott looks quite uncomfortable

lol, Ott looks like he'd like to bury himself to the ground at that moment....

[mknight]

Well I am really starting to get worrried how next year might look like. If true Hyundai drivers are currently 1-2-3-4 on this rally and as I calculated yesterday would have won manu title like 4 rallies ago as well.
Don't need return to VW times.

[TypeR]

one of the best silly seasons so far :D
one thing is Neuville's ,,which team mate?''
another is after Neuvilles interview, he chatted with Ott quite freindly.. haven't happened before, especially at the time of the battle for WDC

[eib1]

Gryazin retire from last stage

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/73142088_2505293042922174_6007694648988925952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQnbPRZ2lrsRFghAuq4zKm0EyX_HmWanYhQUVF3Z5jH 7a2qvbk9DtKdNZv5oMeOrVbkuEi4zxSG8236Hls8jaJFC&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=4171c383f3fdc85d8e6405b0c8f3f81c&oe=5E643C3E

[olemann]

Østberg does a great job. With a car that can't compete with Skoda and where the driver can't drive asphalt based on what forum members have constantly claimed. I can't understand what's going on?

[mknight]

Obviously the car can compete with Skoda, especially on smooth tarmac. (also look at Camilli)

[olemann]

Camilli is an asphalt driver after all so this must indicate that the Citroren is in the right direction :-)

[KKS]

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/73142088_2505293042922174_6007694648988925952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQnbPRZ2lrsRFghAuq4zKm0EyX_HmWanYhQUVF3Z5jH 7a2qvbk9DtKdNZv5oMeOrVbkuEi4zxSG8236Hls8jaJFC&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=4171c383f3fdc85d8e6405b0c8f3f81c&oe=5E643C3E
https://scontent.fiev9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/73357368_2425883354292053_5461087101963468800_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQnurIT3B5OsuqlLX_s-q4eQ8P0SpgFo8uktQT0XV3rCC6KDuKHY6V5WNIiW4Ig9HzU&_nc_ht=scontent.fiev9-1.fna&oh=6542bc6074162f902377e22d01587141&oe=5E185FB9

[eib1]

Rovanpera adventures

https://www.facebook.com/markus.tammoja/videos/2505287866256025/

[cali]

Camilli is an asphalt driver after all so this must indicate that the Citroren is in the right direction :-)So you claim an wrc driver should be less competent to specialist driver?? To be honest Mads is good on the loose stuff but less than adequate on tarmac. Today's pace actually surprised me as Mads have so far sucked on tar.

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[KKS]

And as far as Tänak gets the title, me myself don't care, where he goes.. I think he and Märtin are ,,a bit,, smarter about the decision :D
As Lappi and as 6 time world champion?
OK :D will see :)

[svstock]

Many videos from 55. RallyRACC Catalunya - Costa Daurada 2019
VIDEO playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl1C5kX7dVEmvnQYLdFdAPeUQwDDspBrF
Will be adding more.

[Morte66]

Yes - some very, very good consistent times.

He looks very young - and then you check - that this is his 5th time at this rally.

A bit of a strange one as it is only really this season that his speed has been very good.

I thought the same. Somebody pointed out that Loubet was in the Hyundai R5 last year, and nobody did much in that. This year he has a good car.

[KKS]

Rovanpera adventures

https://www.facebook.com/markus.tammoja/videos/2505287866256025/

Oh he spun than trying to quickly rejoin and only than ripped a wheel off
PS That should be ep03 with Andolfi :)

[KKS]

Andolfi SS13
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH0XDk8WsAEwsK-?format=png&name=900x900

[steve.mandzij]

So, for the virtual standings fans, how would the championships look as things stand?

[KKS]

So, for the virtual standings fans, how would the championships look as things stand?
It's not interesting how it stands now in rally positions, cuz all championship hopes depends on power stage points

[steve.mandzij]

It's not interesting how it stands now in rally positions, cuz all championship hopes depends on power stage pointsWhat I'd most like to know is how the manufacturer's championship develops if things stay the same, and what position and PS point Tanak needs to win the title

[stefanvv]

What I'd most like to know is how the manufacturer's championship develops if things stay the same, and what position and PS point Tanak needs to win the title

Tanak takes WDC, Hyundai manufactirer's, this rally or the next. Finally, alleluia, some movements on those title owners.

[KKS]

What I'd most like to know is how the manufacturer's championship develops if things stay the same, and what position and PS point Tanak needs to win the title
Tanak: 255
Nueville: 224
Ogier: 216

Hyundai: 383
Toyota: 359

[EstWRC]

If Ott stays third then he can’t lose more than 1 point to Neuville on power stage, if Thierry takes some points on power stage.

If Ott gets second position, then he just needs 1 power stage point if Neuville gets maximum points.

[KKS]

Gearbox change for Loeb at 15min morning service O_O

[KKS]

If Ott stays third then he can’t lose more than 1 point to Neuville on power stage, if Thierry takes some points on power stage.

If Ott gets second position, then he just needs 1 power stage point if Neuville gets maximum points.
Neuville must have full points
So if Ott 2nd it's - 1pts on power
3rd - need 4pts
4th - go to Australia

[KKS]

9min and new gearbox mounted on Loeb car. Hyundai - how you do that? O_o

[KKS]

Tanak: 255
Nueville: 224
Ogier: 216

Hyundai: 383
Toyota: 359
And in Team championship not decieded yet too.
If Toyota get 1-2 and 2 other cars (Citoren or Ford) will on 3-4 and Hyundai 5-6 in Australia - Toyota got it.

[HarriK]

Gearbox change for Loeb at 15min morning service O_O

Or was it last night and only more bleeding at morning service

[TypeR]

I understood that they changed it last night and now changed it back to the old one..?

[KKS]

I understood that they changed it last night and now changed it back to the old one..?
yep. Even Loeb didn't know what it's going on

[mknight]

btw there is now a "Live championship" button on wrc+ live maps that should calculate the results. Atm doesn't work cause nobody is in finish of ss14.

[Indreq]

i wonder why they sent meeke on. He surely will not go for PS points and also has nothing to gain in manufacturers.

[KKS]

Exact for PS points they send him, cuz he didn't count for manu. And can push or crash and nothing change, but at least they try

[EstWRC]

exactly, Meeke could help a lot Ott later on

[TypeR]

exactly, Meeke could help a lot Ott later on

or not, staying in front of him and taking point(s) away

[cosmin_sb]

I have seen a picture with Nobre's car flying. Where did he jump?It is all right?

[Indreq]

exactly, Meeke could help a lot Ott later on

how?

[KKS]

Very good pace for Taka this weekend. Only +3.6 sec to Meeke on split1 on his 2nd ever tarmac rally!

[EstWRC]

or not, staying in front of him and taking point(s) away

it all depends how is the situation before the last stage

we will see

[KKS]

or not, staying in front of him and taking point(s) away
He must steal points from the table. If no PS points - Ott already a champion, even if finish 5th overall here.

[Indreq]

only thing i can think of is acting as last minute gravel crew - meeke finishes stages before ott starts and can give info back.

[TypeR]

Meeke can't take all the 5 PS points himself :D

[EstWRC]

like a circuit this stage, i havent even seen a single spot where you could cut

[KKS]

I thought they instruct Loeb to push what ever happen to got Ott... but he's slowest so far

[krissucool]

Loeb slower then Taka.

[EstWRC]

sordo not giving up

[mknight]

Evans finally has the speed I expected yesterday.

[EstWRC]

damn sordo still faster...naaahhhhhh

[KKS]

Counting for thousands at finish timeboard
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH3hQamXUAAQ20q?format=jpg

[EstWRC]

basically the next stage is the last chance for Ott, if he doesnt take anything back on there from Sordo i think he will leave it.

And if he is third before power stage then i think he wont push it.

[KKS]

Counting for thousands at finish timeboard
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH3hQamXUAAQ20q?format=jpg
3.043 - time diff to Ogier :D
Mr.Suninen aka 3sec

[mknight]

Neuville-Sordo 1-2 and Loeb almost beaten by Katsuta and 9s down on a stage that won him the rally last year.

[KKS]

With such a good pace from Evans it will be hard to get easily 2nd pos on PS for Ott. Too many good drivers on pace here so far.

[KKS]

Camili and Mads leveled on SS14 in fight for RC2 lead
But Kopecky a way faster than Rovanpera at Pro

[Japé]

It might be also possible option that with this amount of spectators, PS gets cancelled because of them? We will see, but teams should count this option in in their calculations?

[TypeR]

Teemu must be pleased, finally faster than OGier :D

[mknight]

The virtual standings on livemaps are basically useless, they count next stage even into previous stage standings and they don't count non-wrc cars.

[KKS]

disaster for Loeb +8.5sec at middle of stage

[Negaiss]

Tanak

[KKS]

Tanak
Sordo! )

[SubaruNorway]

Meh, why did they change Santa Marina for this stage...?

[EstWRC]

Hats off Sordo. This confirms Australia now

[Indreq]

I guess it is clear now that unless something happens, Ott will not get 2nd

[krissucool]

Hats off Sordo. This confirms Australia now

31 points lead before the power stage and confirms Australia.

Sure.

[mknight]

Hats off Sordo. This confirms Australia now

Too early. Yesterday Hyundai was slower in second passes when it was warmer.

[Indreq]

Hats off Sordo. This confirms Australia now

Probably. But Martin was fixing notes during the stage, it is still possible for Ott to push to get points from PS which would give him WDC. Hyundai has manu championship as priority and they will not let their boys to push 101% for theoretical chance of WDC. But then again, Ott will not go 101% either, because in Australia he will just have to finish...

[KKS]

Looks like Tanak will try to go fast on PS so so far it's too early "going to Australia". It will be hard, but possible for Tanak.

[EstWRC]

Its easy now for Ott in the sense that if he wins the PS he is champion.

so in that sense he should cruise the next one and then push really on PS but im not sure he wants to take the risk

[KKS]

He might be not allow by Tommi to push 100% to keep alive a Toyota chances for Manu title

[KKS]

Loubet with pucnture
Camili was faster first half than Mads but ends +3.3 a bit relax for Mads in RC2 battle

[TypeR]

I bet Ott doesn't give a s.. about the Manus atm.. He has brought enough points for the team..

[EstWRC]

I bet Ott doesn't give a s.. about the Manus atm.. He has brought enough points for the team..

exactly my thoughts.

[KKS]

So Tommi can keep same for driver in Australia which leave his team.

[EstWRC]

31 points lead before the power stage and confirms Australia.

Sure.

this is without PS points but Neuville for sure will go for 5 points on power stage because its his only hope.

Sordo another hand has a big dilemma. If he goes as fast as now, he could actually take point(s) away from Neuville and help Tänak with that.

My guess is Adamo says to Sordo before PS that forget it and just bring the 2nd place home. all the Toyotas were in Top5 on that stage, the second part of the stage is really fast and suits them. Although i guess Latvala will just bring it home.
Ogier may also push on PS.

Like is aid before the rally, the other guys can decide a lot.

man this is so exciting :p

[Kradovech]

If Neuville wants any real chance, he will need to have top 3 Hyundai in powerstage with him in the front. So both Sordo and Loeb will need to push as hard as they possibly can there. Sordo and Loeb can steal points from Neuville if Tänak is faster than Neuville. If the latter happens, it will be over for Neuville anyway, no matter what his teammates do.

[EstWRC]

What the ? Is this real?

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/72721291_2548564638558911_8229353052205744128_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmJz_wmtuqSWzIrz2tePqFIEIbyjphITYjlsOajJbT 0AzRg-4UQrIysRczlj2_FE82kK3UwXaydasRs-GLwMXN1&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=facc0e7ab70bf085b3d7b65dce98f889&oe=5E2230BB

[Eli]

What the ? Is this real?

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/72721291_2548564638558911_8229353052205744128_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmJz_wmtuqSWzIrz2tePqFIEIbyjphITYjlsOajJbT 0AzRg-4UQrIysRczlj2_FE82kK3UwXaydasRs-GLwMXN1&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=facc0e7ab70bf085b3d7b65dce98f889&oe=5E2230BB

Seems that way.

[Oraamat]

Looks like powerstage is scripted :D

[reff92]

I think there would be second layer on top of that in case tänak is not coming to world champ. When it does then its fast switch

[krissucool]

Odds available to bet in Coolbet atm.

1.30 for Ott to become champ in Catalunya. 3.20 for it to not happen.

[Indreq]

I think there would be second layer on top of that in case tänak is not coming to world champ. When it does then its fast switch

They have probably prepared for the occasion. If its not used today, then in Australia they will have 3 of them, with Neu and Ogi options also.

[KKS]

https://www.facebook.com/reiko.olen/posts/2690465770991650?comment_id=2690515237653370
Loubet off that might cause a puncture
Miele off at same place https://www.facebook.com/reiko.olen/videos/2690465717658322/

[KKS]

If Neuville wants any real chance, he will need to have top 3 Hyundai in powerstage with him in the front. So both Sordo and Loeb will need to push as hard as they possibly can there. Sordo and Loeb can steal points from Neuville if Tänak is faster than Neuville. If the latter happens, it will be over for Neuville anyway, no matter what his teammates do.
This job can easily done by Ogier, Evans and Suninen

[Rallyper]

In what mood is Kalle today?

[KKS]

official WRC tweets on many languages to spects must listen to marshals. Are we in trouble of cancellation stages?

[Kradovech]

This job can easily done by Ogier, Evans and Suninen

Maybe. But none of them really have a reason to push. And If they do push, they may steal points from Neuville exatly the same as Sordo or Loeb. Better to give this job to your teammates. Even better for him would be if all drivers, Hyundai, M-sport, Citroen, take away points from Tänak.
Remember, no matter how Tänak finishes, the title will be a long shot for Neuville anyway - Tänak would need to retire in Australia plus Neuville would need to get significantly more points in Austarlias PS as well.

So to me it seems a no brainer to have his teammates push. As I said before, If Tänak beats Neuville in PS, it will be over anyway. We will see how it turns out in reality though.
One thing is for sure, we are heading toward the most exciting powerstage of the season.

[KKS]

Remember, no matter how Tänak finishes, the title will be a long shot for Neuville anyway - Tänak would need to retire in Australia plus Neuville would need to get significantly more points in Austarlias PS as well.
Yep, it's rallying. We can't guarantee anything. But at our local Ukraine championship we have nearly same situation before last event - and it work. Champ leader retire and chaser got full points on powerstage

[KKS]

Oh that battle for 2nd amazing!

[Kradovech]

Yep, it's rallying. We can't guarantee anything. But at our local Ukraine championship we have nearly same situation before last event - and it work. Champ leader retire and chaser got full points on powerstage

True, especially what we have seen happen to Toyotas before. But winning powerstage in Australia would not be enough for Neuville as it stands now, he would still need some more people between him and Tänak. How many exactly depends on how many people he can get between the this powerstage.

[KKS]

-1.5 Dani 2nd split

[Oraamat]

According to live maps, Ott is starting last for ps.
https://www.upload.ee/image/10647855/ott.jpg

[mknight]

Starting order for PS is decided by the promoter, say the rules.

So they can basically do what they want.

[EstWRC]

But isn’t it unfair? Already in the morning Sordo and Neuville were complaining about dirty places.

[Oliverk]

But isn’t it unfair? Already in the morning Sordo and Neuville were complaining about dirty places.

More money for them, if it goes to Australia.

[EstWRC]

It will be mega effort anyway if he beats them. The Hyundai’s are so so fast here.

[Jarek Z]

https://www.facebook.com/reiko.olen/posts/2690465770991650?comment_id=2690515237653370
Loubet off that might cause a puncture
Miele off at same place https://www.facebook.com/reiko.olen/videos/2690465717658322/

Loubet lost 1:50 on SS15 and dropped from 2nd to 4th in WRC2.

[KKS]

it's more equal road position down the order, so no worry

[KKS]

Loubet lost 1:50 on SS15 and dropped from 2nd to 4th in WRC2.
slow puncture, and progressively lost time till the end

[dimviii]

Latvala preparing for power stage
https://twitter.com/DanosElena/status/1188410776152883201

[krissucool]

It will be mega effort anyway if he beats them. The Hyundai’s are so so fast here.

Only needs to beat 1 :)

2nd on the power stage is all that is needed.

In reality only Ogier, Sordo and Neuville will probably go for the Power Stage. Would say the changes are good.

[mousti]

Did I miss something?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191027/c46e2b6944754b708c40aca0cf960ef0.jpg

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eddie, he's not going to get anywhere. Might as well save the car for the PS. Have a think.


Right so Ogier was slower than Neuville & Tanak yesterday to prepare for today ? That's just not true, this morning he was preparing and the C3 still isnt right..

"We have a lot of problems with the car in this profile of stage, a lot of wheelspin on the rear, so we have to try to see if we can do something for the second loop"

"We had to make some changes because it was not working at all in the first pass through the Power Stage. We corrected some things but created other problems" .

[cali]

Did I miss something?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191027/c46e2b6944754b708c40aca0cf960ef0.jpg

Verstuurd vanaf mijn ONEPLUS A6013 met TapatalkThere's World Champion board on the podium ready and visible to everyone. Looks like everything is fixed....

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[mknight]

Well I dunno what to cheer on.

Tanak certainly deserves the title. Especially since even after Toyota got smaller wing he still was just a little bit faster than others and off course some of the car issues seem totally unrelated to design (for example ecu in Turkey).

On the other hand from a spectator perspective it would be nice if there is something to fight for in Australia.

[USER47]

Looks like everything is fixed...
How would you fix it exactly? Nicely ask Neuville and Ogier to drive really slowly?

Regarding the board, they surely have multiple board covers to prepare for any eventuality. And the facebook post above seems like slip up of some community management intern who prepared the post and accidentally published it before the end of rally. The guy who wrote it is hardly some conspirator involved in fixing sport events.

[cali]

How would you fix it exactly? Nicely ask Neuville and Ogier to drive really slowly?

Regarding the board, they surely have multiple board covers to prepare for any eventuality. And the facebook post above seems like slip up of some community management intern who prepared the post and accidentally published it before the end of rally. The guy who wrote it is hardly some conspirator involved in fixing sport events.I'm standing close to the podium and it is still not covered. You should have seen belgian's faces when they saw the podium design.

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[KKS]

On the other hand from a spectator perspective it would be nice if there is something to fight for in Australia.

Calm down, Estonians gonna kill you for that statements :D

[EightGear]

It's been a while since I've been here, but I'm ready for this...

[dimviii]

Latvala preparing for power stage
https://twitter.com/DanosElena/status/1188410776152883201

Jari-Matti Latvala
@JariMattiWRC
Getting ready to score some points in the Power Stage! Of course @DanosElena
filmed the only failed throw...
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[USER47]

I'm standing close to the podium and it is still not covered.
Which still doesn't imply at all the results are fixed.

Actually the opposite, if they were somehow fixed, the promoter surely wouldn't draw an attention to it in this kind of way.:)

[Rock240]

hi, does anyone have a link to the power stage?

[Oliverk]

hi, does anyone have a link to the power stage?

https://plus.wrc.com/en/live-stages/live/

[cali]

Which still doesn't imply at all the results are fixed.

Actually the opposite, if they were somehow fixed, the promoter surely wouldn't draw an attention to it in this kind of way.:)Why the hell would you keep it uncovered then?

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[krissucool]

Which still doesn't imply at all the results are fixed.

Actually the opposite, if they were somehow fixed, the promoter surely wouldn't draw an attention to it in this kind of way.:)

You must be fun at parties.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

For 'fixed' read 'prepared'. They are just ready for the most likely scenario.

[Indreq]

Calm down, Estonians gonna kill you for that statements :D

Naah, its not that bad :D I personally am bit annoyed by the amount of buzz around Ott in Estonian media. Every single day new "news" are produced, mostly out of nowhere. Imagine if he becomes WDC, this is going to blow into full-scale hysteria. I have been Ott's fan for many years (still have his original fan clubs yellow shirt from around 10 years ago) but too much is too much.

[Indreq]

hi, does anyone have a link to the power stage?

i dont know if there is any regional restrictions but there is stream: https://sport.postimees.ee/6808993/otsepilt-ja-blogi-otsustav-kiiruskatse-kas-tanak-tuleb-autoralli-maailmameistriks

[USER47]

Why the hell would you keep it uncovered then?
Laziness? Lack of people to do it during all the rest of final ceremony preparations?

Certainly it's not being uncovered to broadcast that results are being manipulated by organizer.

[KKS]

blaahhh Meeke!!! What are you doing?

[KKS]

Suninen +10sec on 1st split. Whats going on?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All leaving it for a battle of the big boys ?

No, Teemu was off.

[Mirek]

Suninen +10sec on 1st split. Whats going on?

Crashed into a bank. Continues.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans up on Ogier.

[cali]

Laziness? Lack of people to do it during all the rest of final ceremony preparations?

Certainly it's not being uncovered to broadcast that results are being manipulated by organizer.Lazyness at this level???

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[Mirek]

Great drive by Evans

[krissucool]

Lazyness at this level???

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What do you think it is then :D ?

[USER47]

Lazyness at this level???
You can find healthy amounts of laziness on every level. What I wonder about is the reasoning for your assumption that uncovered "Champion Tanak" podium somehow implies the results are manipulated. I just don't see the logical progression from that fact to your conclusion.

[wia5958]

I'm sure Ott will thank mw for letting Evans put in that time

[cali]

You can find healthy amounts of laziness on every level. What I wonder about is the reasoning for your assumption that uncovered "Champion Tanak" podium somehow implies the results are manipulated. I just don't see the logical progression from that fact to your conclusion.Just wait and see

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