Rally di Roma Capitale 2019

[PLuto]

Rally di Roma Capitale 2019

[PLuto]

New Fiesta R5 for Simone Campedelli

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_DIMVbWsAI27uv?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_DIMVkX4AA0YhY?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_DIMVkXYAI9cFD?format=jpg&name=small

[Antreas]

Also Nikolay Gryazin plan to race in Rome

[PLuto]

It will be nice comparison between fastest italian drivers (Basso, Crugnola, Scandola, Campedelli) and current ERC regulars. Plus Gryazin and Sesks.

[PLuto]

Entry list is available - https://www.rallydiroma.eu/documents/entry_list_rally_roma_2019.pdf

[Mirek]

Great to see James Williams on the list!

[PLuto]

https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62337307_2265537893564170_7641531518698913792_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQn3t7l1hdRu4s0QGAd00fzSfaPgdBXhVrVkquLoWVN AzokfGUghbL12BmCvpFnf-s-GUB-GjigoJhQPiIS_x3xl&_nc_ht=scontent.fprg1-1.fna&oh=b1a586248461753dcd7737226b1f2276&oe=5DBCA0EE

[Jarek Z]

Simone Campedelli: “From Malcolm Wilson’s side he told me straight, ‘Simone, the car is quicker, of that we have no doubt, you must use it, we are confident you can make a strong performance and we would really like to push you in the new car.’”

More about Campedelli's new Fiesta R5 at https://www.fiaerc.com/campedelli-chosen-to-give-new-fiesta-r5-erc-debut/

[Jarek Z]

Umberto Scandola entered under the Hyundai Motorsport N banner in Rally di Roma Capitale:
https://www.fiaerc.com/double-roma-winner-scandola-in-hyundai-i20-r5-for-home-erc-round/

[dimviii]

Simone Campedelli: “From Malcolm Wilson’s side he told me straight, ‘Simone, the car is quicker, of that we have no doubt, you must use it, we are confident you can make a strong performance and we would really like to push you in the new car.’”

More about Campedelli's new Fiesta R5 at https://www.fiaerc.com/campedelli-chosen-to-give-new-fiesta-r5-erc-debut/

Lets see if Cambedelli can show better pace than Suninen

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram says he has a brand new car for Roma.

Hopefully he has no issues this time.

[pantealex]

Chris Ingram says he has a brand new car for Roma.

Hopefully he has no issues this time.

Brand new = E V O ? or original ?

[Got Mail]

Brand new = E V O ? or original ?

It is not an Evo.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not actually brand new... its done two events:
Plate AW TS 159 (DEU)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo/58-skoda-fabia-r5/?spz=47784

[Jarek Z]

Great to see James Williams on the list!

Interesting... Apparently there is Motorsport Management at universities in Wales :)
https://www.fiaerc.com/new-recruit-williams-brings-2019-fia-erc-junior-registrations-to-34/

[HaCo]

Shakedown was ran yesterday:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/54876-rally-di-roma-capitale-2019/

Stage 1 just started.

[MartijnS]

Shakedown is today :)

[Mirek]

No, QS just started. SS1 is only tomorrow.

[HaCo]

Shakedown is today :)

Ooops... sorry! They are running right now then.
I'm in holiday mode :D

[Mirek]

Campedelli with engine issues already during QS... and Nobre surprisingly went off...

[Mirek]

Nice by Cais :)

[RS]

Campedelli with engine issues already during QS... and Nobre surprisingly went off...

After Katsuta’s problems in Estonia seems there is a bit of a weakness there.

Also looking at footage from Estonia and below Camilli’s pre-Finland test the engine does not look/sound very strong. Weird after driver’s who were invited to drive it praised the engine. Maybe they’ve had to turn it down for reliability reasons.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5RQFFUy8ZM

Hopefully Campedelli can do better once the event starts.

[RS]

Spin for Luky in qualy.

[Ucci]

Campedelli with engine issues already during QS... and Nobre surprisingly went off...

Nothing dramatically...Cempedelli is just stating, that he misses some power driving uphill...softwere change should solve the issue....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gryazin on top in QS. And he's only here to improve his tarmac driving !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_1DiaQXoAEJHMy?format=jpg&name=900x900

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/rAGvrcvKCDo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lukyanuk QS

https://youtu.be/iVhJ_FrPud0

[RS]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xB2fGY3sU7I

[RS]

Lukyanuk QS

https://youtu.be/iVhJ_FrPud0

That half-spin nearly turned out quite bad..

[RS]

Nice footage of top 4 from qualy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMpFNhDgdk4

Fun video with the Alexeys: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5rkq6fXOo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Simone Campedelli & new Fiesta R5 under-weight...

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[dimviii]

Cambedelli 14,3 sec slower from leader Gryazin at 20km stage.
Luky with pop of problems lost 10 sec.

here comments that appear quicker from official site
https://www.rallylink.it/cms16/index.php/roma-2019

timing
http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Ym9keV9zdGFnZXRpbWVzLmFzcD9wX0Fubm89 MjAxOSZwX0NvZGljZT04NyZwX01hbmlmZXN0YXppb25lPTMmcF 9HYXJhPTEmcF9Qcm92YVNwZWNpYWxlPTEmcF9RdWFsaWZpY2F0 b3JlPSZwX0NsYXNzaWZpY2F6aW9uZT0xJnBfUmFnZ3J1cHBhbW VudG89QUxMJnBfR3J1cHBvPUFMTCZwX1BlcmlvZG89QUxMJnBf Q2xhc3NlPUFMTCZwX0xpbmd1YT1JVEE

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gryazin crashed into a ditch. :(

[dimviii]

flagCampedelli Simone - Canton Tania
"Unfortunately on this stage we had a puncture when we cut the corner. At this moment my confidence with the car is still not OK."


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_6HMDdXkAADUtD.jpg

[RS]

Gryazin off: https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1152514767178870784?s=19

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Faulty rear brakes for Ingram all morning. Really disappointing when the car is so new. How can this happen ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_6ThWSWwAAnQKr?format=jpg&name=small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

But could be worse...

Vid of Gryazin https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1152514767178870784

https://www.fiaerc.com/gryazin-crashes-out-of-erc-rome-lead/
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/static.fiaerc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/GryazinSS2-800x600.jpeg

[RS]

Faulty rear brakes for Ingram all morning. Really disappointing when the car is so new. How can this happen ?

Unusual number of problems for him in Poland too. Maybe the team has some responsibility.

[RS]

Better from Campedelli now.

[mknight]

Gryazin off: https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1152514767178870784?s=19

Again it doesn't look like a small innocent mistake.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stajf spun on SS2 distracted by Eurosport heli !
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_6XsWSXkAEKVOW?format=jpg&name=small

[Jarek Z]

Lukyanuk not happy after the first loop:

“We were eight seconds slower on the second stage than in the previous year. But what, I forgot how to drive or something? I don’t know. Something’s not working."

More at:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-champion-lukyanuk-bemoans-quite-bad-rome-opening-loop/

[Jarek Z]

Why are there so many punctures in this rally? Campedelli, Erdi, Sesks, Arai, Stugemo (pictured), Llarena, Munster, Bernardi, Torn, Williams just on the first 3 stages.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_58_bvW4AM0aUF.jpg:small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quite a few cuts taken here and Campedelli admitted his was caused this way.

[Barreis]

damaged roll cage from that crash?! disappointed how weak that roll cage is.

[mknight]

Lukyanuk not happy after the first loop:

“We were eight seconds slower on the second stage than in the previous year. But what, I forgot how to drive or something? I don’t know. Something’s not working."

More at:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-champion-lukyanuk-bemoans-quite-bad-rome-opening-loop/

Campedelli was 10s slower than last year.

[Jarek Z]

Stajf spun on SS2 distracted by Eurosport heli !

This hairpin looks relatively easy, but Stajf wasn't the only one in trouble there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5NgPwA5FFA

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Car fire for Von T & T !

[RS]

Also accident for Rossetti and puncture for Crugnola.. carnage.

[Jarek Z]

Another Polo on fire?!

No, sorry, apparently he drives Škoda this time.

[Jarek Z]

A better video of Gryazin's crash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECXRcg6Xd50

[Jarek Z]

Punctures for Crugnola, Lukyanuk and Arai...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Still no times after the first three yet ?

E.Here now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rossetti broke a rim with a cut and crashed the next corner.

Albert von Thurn und Taxis' car has caught fire (seems they managed to extinguish it). The stage got briefly stopped but has restarted.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stajf with 2 punctures now... crazy.

[mknight]

A better video of Gryazin's crash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECXRcg6Xd50

Looks like quite a big mistake to me.

Anyway looking at Campedelli, it's not like the new Fiesta is setting epic times here either.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another for Stajf
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_7c6oBXsAAXbSy?format=jpg&name=small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Habaj is off !!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_8Qqo1WsAAgh5k?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

damaged roll cage from that crash?! disappointed how weak that roll cage is.

it was a big hit.
https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/1152573808236216320

[RS]

Anyway looking at Campedelli, it's not like the new Fiesta is setting epic times here either.

It's a better performance than Suninen managed in Estonia, but probably not what MSport were expecting again.

[mousti]

Unusual number of problems for him in Poland too. Maybe the team has some responsibility.I think it's just a typical cheap/dodgy team who rents R5 but waits to renew parts till they are completely worn down or broken. So they can compensate with their cheap prices to clients..

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS7 - looks like a stage win for the new Fiesta R5. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not so much drama so far on day 2 and no punctures for the top guys.

Ingram had made up a place but then lost two places on SS9 with two spins.

[Jarek Z]

Campedelli's stage times and comments at the finish look much better today:

I tried to attack from the first corner, I push as I can.

When we are flatout on the downhill we are in the battle, but we struggle on the hairpins. We push as we can.

We tried to make some changes to the car and it's better and better. Now we are closer to our competitors. We need to develop the car as much as we can during this weekend.

[dimviii]

, but we struggle on the hairpins.
from videos i ve seen is visible that the car struggles at hairpins exit,something like no power low down the revs.

[Mirek]

Rossetti crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af2EfhO5Arw

Habaj crash few corners after a spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mal_qnAxXPs

Antunes crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG99jERCKLE

ERC3-Junior leg 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUbj-IALfk8

Basso SS2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8TukTMNHpg

Lukyanuk SS2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4u8PwCuvqA

[Mirek]

Nucita on SS10, wow :)

[dimviii]

@ 1,45 for example watch Campedellis hairpin exit

https://youtu.be/aEdEEkhqhnA

[Mirek]

C.I.R. drivers in onboard compilation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41YXPbNubRA

[RS]

@ 1,45 for example watch Campedellis hairpin exit

https://youtu.be/aEdEEkhqhnA

Hopefully something that can be fixed with mapping and not a fundamental issue.

Hard to believe MSport would homologate a car which was worse than the previous one so perhaps they just rushed it out a bit before it was tested thoroughly for all types of roads and conditions. We didn’t see that many videos really..

[Mirek]

A video from leg 1 (warning, near exclusively hairpins but a fuckton of different ones)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3olVyJ-UdE

[Barreis]

Crugnola is the man of the rally. he won most of the stages but puncture destroyed his rally

[Ucci]

I've checked all Cempedelli's interviews after each stage; yesterday he was ''lost'', no feeling with the car whatsoever, than also a puncture, he admited that with the old Fiesta he would be in the fight for a victory. He had one test with the new car, which was in rain.....nothing to gain from that test. So yes, maybe M-Sport made a mistake to send him & Tania & new R5 version already in the competition, but the decision has been made and now it's just opportunity to pick-up as many as possible positive things and eliminate negative one(s).
I do not doubt in them, problem is that Basso will extend his lead in the championship....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram with data: https://youtu.be/BoFgbKvUog8

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS7 - looks like a stage win for the new Fiesta R5. :)

https://www.fiaerc.com/campedelli-gives-new-m-sport-fiesta-its-first-erc-stage-win/

Also 3 second fastest times so far today is progress.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Herczig: "I made a mistake on the start, after three or four kilometres I realised that something was not OK, the stage mode was not switched on."

Ingram now just 1s behind him.

[Ucci]

One minute penalty for Luky......Cempedelli moved to the 2nd place! Not bad after all troubles.

[mknight]

@ 1,45 for example watch Campedellis hairpin exit

https://youtu.be/aEdEEkhqhnA

Here it's pretty normal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csrnCbiErfc

To me Polos seem to be the fastest out of the hairpin btw.

[mknight]

Rossetti crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af2EfhO5Arw

Habaj crash few corners after a spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mal_qnAxXPs

Basso SS2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8TukTMNHpg


Habaj's crash looks unlucky, but on the other hand someone with more detailed notes could have "don't go wide" in notes? I think his co-driver says just "don't cut" on 0:47.

Also find it funny that I can understand almost all of Basso's italian notes and basically nothing of Rossetti's.

[Jarek Z]

Habaj's crash looks unlucky, but on the other hand someone with more detailed notes could have "don't go wide" in notes? I think his co-driver says just "don't cut" on 0:47.

Yes, his co-driver says "3+ long to 3- right, don't cut".

[Jarek Z]

Paulo Nobre: "I'm happy, but more tired, in the car it's like in sauna." :D

[dimviii]

Lukys penalty was because the wheelbase of his c3 was not compliant

[Fast Eddie WRC]

One minute penalty for Luky......

Why the penalty ?

[dimviii]

nice pass from Larena
https://twitter.com/efren_llarena/status/1152677649048907788

[RS]

Here it's pretty normal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csrnCbiErfc

To me Polos seem to be the fastest out of the hairpin btw.

He kept the revs up there. Problem seems to be in the tighter hairpins where engine dies.

[dimviii]

Basso missed a junction and lost 24 sec.
Luky without penalty would be 6 sec from Basso.

[Mirek]

Basso lost over 20 seconds with a mistake but still safely leading.

[mknight]

Lukyanuk

2543 mm in homologation, 2568.4 with 1% tolerance, 2570 measured:

https://www.rallydiroma.eu/documents/decision_7_stewards_rally_roma_21_july_2019.pdf

EDIT: Well it's a black car and it's hot, maybe it got a bit longer by itself :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.fiaerc.com/lukyanuk-drops-to-third-place-after-time-penalty/

“We have a one-minute penalty. It’s a team responsibility but the engineers are not agreeing. It’s a pity, it’s not a mistake by the driver who has made an excellent rally,” explained Vincent Ducher, Rally Manager at Saintéloc Racing.

“Lucas and the team did a good job to prepare the car and make the Michelin tyres work. This issue is my responsibility, that’s it.

“It was not the meaning to finish third or fourth if that’s what happens. Legally we can appeal but we are still waiting the process of how the measurement has been made.”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lukyanuk not happy at all. And now has a lead of just 1 second to Crugnola ! :disturb:

[Mirek]

Lukyanuk not happy at all.

Of course it was not his own mistake but they could have excluded him as well so in the end I'd say he had some luck to be able to continue and not loose that much.

[Mirek]

Any stream from the city stage?

EDIT: Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwbMONpkC4M

[Mirek]

Pluto in the live stream informed that the first stage times are nonsense.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rubbish coverage of the stage and no times... :(

PLuto got a mention though !

[Augury]

What a mess.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Luky agrees ! ;)

[Mirek]

Lukyanuk:
Actually I'm happy that this fucking circus is over. Let's go home!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crugnola is the man of the rally. he won most of the stages but puncture destroyed his rally

Ingram agreed.... called him a legend.

[Mirek]

So the rally ended but nobody knows who finished on which place. This is a major fuck-up from the organizers.

[RS]

So the rally ended but nobody knows who finished on which place. This is a major fuck-up from the organizers.

They don’t know the times or they just put the wrong ones online?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

STILL waiting for Lukyanuk, Campedelli and Ingram's times. Crazy. :(

[m-ast]

Big mess for the end of the rally, the organizers must be proud....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From FIAERC.com

Giandomenico Basso has scored his 19th FIA European Rally Championship victory on Rally di Roma Capitale, resisting late pressure from Simone Campedelli.

Basso (Loran SRL) is now eighth on the all-time ERC win list, tied with rallying icon Walter Röhrl and four-time French national champion Bernard Béguin, who was runner-up in the 1980 ERC season.

A two-time ERC champion himself, Basso used his near two-decades of experience to hold off the challenge of Campedelli (Orange 1 M-Sport Rally Team), who scored a debut podium finish for the new M-Sport Ford Fiesta R5.

“I’m really happy, it was a really hard race. Thank you to Loran SRL and to my co-driver Lorenzo Granai,” said Basso.

Filip Mareš (ACCR Czech Rally Team) scored his second consecutive ERC1 Junior championship victory to keep his title hopes alive, beating championship leader Chris Ingram to the top spot, also finishing fifth overall.

Dariusz Poloński (Rallytechnology) scored his first ERC2 production class victory in his Abarth 124 Rally, also picking up his first Abarth Rally Cup win of the year after three consecutive podiums.

Ken Torn (Estonian Autosport Junior Team) continued his stunning form in ERC3 and ERC3 Junior, taking his third consecutive victory by beating Czech federation-backed driver Erik Cais.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Finally...

Lukyank dropped to 4th by 0.1s !

[EstWRC]

Ken Torn lost 30 secs on city stage but still won?

i dont get it, his competitors lost the same...i suspect the times are wrong by 30 seconds?

[Mirek]

Ken Torn lost 30 secs on city stage but still won?

i dont get it, his competitors lost the same...i suspect the times are wrong by 30 seconds?

Please read few posts before. All times have been one big mess. We are waiting for them to correct them. It seems like many are already corrected but plenty still don't make sense.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram's time FINALLY just came in !

[Jarek Z]

Crugnola is the man of the rally. he won most of the stages but puncture destroyed his rally

Yes, Crugnola should get the Colin McRae Trophy that they used to award in ERC a few years ago. Just look at his stage results:
https://rally-base.com/crew-profile/crew-detail/?competitionId=523&crewId=46962&ssGroupId=1

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/0oOJ7na0/s6/andrea-crugnola-pietro-ometto-.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Lukyanuk is the new leader in ERC. He has 7-point advantage over Habaj after this rally.

[RS]

Lukyanuk is the new leader in ERC. He has 7-point advantage over Habaj after this rally.

Not so bad result then.. but he doesn’t seem himself this year :(

[Andre Oliveira]

Same but different penalties?

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67294923_2799101883452554_988096035769286656_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQmI6cXQLydwYMWsrXLH3RxxIgUzbyiAKabWSRLYSBd ORkAgQKwWnVgrrwQydESlscY&_nc_ht=scontent.flis8-2.fna&oh=528d944ff3ba6c4bafa89c211179d635&oe=5DAA87DC&dl=1
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67361765_2799101910119218_1764251017622323200_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQlP6tx8nH6h6CqW2TwWAGEq0XxYH3Q1YpBQLu1Kq39 9aTMD-2pQSSx5w3e5ktg0aDE&_nc_ht=scontent.flis8-2.fna&oh=9a6f9f0dd886ae0e300cf0db2b891c29&oe=5DE6A3E0&dl=1

[liposh]

The problem is there is only Habaj competing with Lukyanuk. Habaj is really good driver and this year even more, but he is not in same league with Lukyanuk. So Lukyanuk is fighting with Lukyanuk´s head and Lukyanuk´s car (team ) rather than with Habaj. ERC needs more 1st class drivers.

[Mirek]

In ERC1 Junior Ingram has 125 points from 4 events and Mareš 95 from 3 events. Only 4 events count. Anyway pity for Mareš to miss the first two events.

I'm also very happy for Erik Cais. He's the youngest of the ERC3 Junior drivers I think and it was his first time in Italy and he finished second in both ERC3 Junior and ERC3.

[EstWRC]

Yes Torn won, nice!

[Ucci]

Congrats to Basso! The victory stayed in Italy. And new Fiesta driven by Cempedelli is going to be on the victory course already on the next event!
I've listened the Luky's interview, I understand that he is pissed off about the penalty, but the rules must be obeyd. The homologation is very clear. How the hell the whealbase was not in the tolerance? In this case I would wonder if this happend before (for his good)? And of course to eliminte this error for the future......

[Paulo Freitas]

Hy guys, It's been really a long time since I visited the forum :)

Nice to see that that Jarek Z and some others still around!

Does anyone really know what happen to Lukyanuk? I just hear is interview on rallylink (https://www.rallylink.it/cms16/index.php/interviste-rom-2019) and he is really pissed of with the penalty (or the way they handled the situation)

PS: bellow the English version there is an Italian translation... and everything Lukyanuk said in English was lost in translation. The translation it's not what he said...

[m-ast]

Same but different penalties?

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67294923_2799101883452554_988096035769286656_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQmI6cXQLydwYMWsrXLH3RxxIgUzbyiAKabWSRLYSBd ORkAgQKwWnVgrrwQydESlscY&_nc_ht=scontent.flis8-2.fna&oh=528d944ff3ba6c4bafa89c211179d635&oe=5DAA87DC&dl=1
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67361765_2799101910119218_1764251017622323200_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQlP6tx8nH6h6CqW2TwWAGEq0XxYH3Q1YpBQLu1Kq39 9aTMD-2pQSSx5w3e5ktg0aDE&_nc_ht=scontent.flis8-2.fna&oh=9a6f9f0dd886ae0e300cf0db2b891c29&oe=5DE6A3E0&dl=1

Emma’s car was only wrong in one side of the car, so that’s why a different penalty

[Mirek]

Which is actually pretty funny explanation - nevertheless I came to the same conclusion :D

[Jarek Z]

Hy guys, It's been really a long time since I visited the forum :)

Nice to see that that Jarek Z and some others still around!

Cheers Paulo! Good to see you again :)

[Mirek]

Some great places on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPehx8aXVbo

Leg 2 from the ERC channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBR3NCh_lQk

ERC3-J Leg 2 including accidents of Furuseth, Munster (pretty funny) and a massive big moment of Torn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORCMrzcb2pM

[Got Mail]

I think it's just a typical cheap/dodgy team who rents R5 but waits to renew parts till they are completely worn down or broken. So they can compensate with their cheap prices to clients..

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If you knew anything at all about Toksport you would realise what a stupid comment that is.

You may be better served keeping your libellous comments to yourself.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Toksport are the main reason Ingram is still in the ERC. They have been more than generous with their support.

This was crucial when his previous main sponsor pulled out at the last minute. Not to mention all the problems he had getting his Eurosport prize money...

[Mirek]

Video with the accident of John Williams (basically the same mistake as Munster), tyre change of Crugnola or IMHO too sharp artifficial jump on the street stage (some flights were impressive though). Very precise driving from Crugnola.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3kVVdfbSw

[Andre Oliveira]

Alexey Lukyanuk:

Therefore, here is the story.

I do not make any conclusions or insinuations and here almost no my personal opinion about the things. Just facts and questions.
During the Rally DI Roma Capitale our crew was penalized by one minute according STEWARDS DECISION N.7. https://www.rallydiroma.eu/documents/decision_7_stewards_rally_roma_21_july_2019.pdf
In simple words it says, that distance between axles (wheelbase) was about 2mm longer (2570mm instead of 2568,4), than in homologation. The measurements were done after first loop of stages before Service A (less than 25% of the rally). After the measurement, the car was in Park Ferme, and then we had 8 minutes to reach service zone. At that time I was not aware, that something is wrong. When we entered the service, my engineer and mechanics immediately measured the wheelbase in presence of FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre. And… numbers were the same, as in the workshop before the rally! 2565mm both sides! The answer from FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre was: “Maybe you adjusted it before service”. But any person from motorsport understand, that it is absolutely not possible to adjust wheelbase by 5mm. Both sides. Driving about 1 km in the city. In 8 minutes (5 of them standing next to Service A Time Control, what could be checked by GPS tracking).
By the way, the car of my team mate in Sainteloc racing, Hiroki Arai, has been also checked at 2570 mm, so 2mm over the limit but scruteener checked it again and new measurement was 2566 mm. Our engineer is in charge of Arais’s C3R5 and we had the same wheels alignment (Wheelbase, etc..)
The Team checked again the wheel base back in workshop today, in order to understand how could have been made the mistake by scruteeners, even with the front wheels not completely straight, the wheelbase was conform…
In the Saturday evening (after day1), there was a meeting of Sainteloc team manager Vincent Ducher, engineer Remi Verlaque and FIA Stewards. All the explanations were given, including measures in service under control of FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre, Remi made a statement, that the car comply with all regulations and homologation and he will not make any changes to the car till the end of the rally. Also the team presented a data sheet of pre-rally checks with numbers 2565mm at both sides, what, by my opinion was the weakest proof, and… Exactly that data sheet was mentioned in the STEWARDS DECISION N.7, but nothing else… At the same time it is written in the decision, that “FIA Technical Delegate, Mr. Lionel Carre confirms that the measuring of the wheelbase was according to the FIA measuring method” despite he was not present at the procedure in Park Ferme and not attending this meeting.
Another side of the story. We were informed about the penalty with one-day delay (at 11h30 during regrouping, after 70% of the rally). And as we were still racing, we had no time to make an international appeal (rules is 1h maximum) after notification of stewards decision. And it was 1 minute penalty! It had turned the things upside down dramatically. Should we know it earlier, maybe we could save third place. Yes, Crugnola was faster than we, but we started fighting with him too late!
The meeting was in the Saturday evening, but the crucial for our rally and championship decision was made only on the next day. And it’s absolutely unknown, why we were given 1 minute. For example, STEWARDS DECISION N.8 about same situation with car #23 of Emma Falcon turned out with 30 seconds. https://www.rallydiroma.eu/documents/decision_8_stewards_rally_roma_21_july_2019.pdf

For me there are many signs, that there was something wrong:
1. The team DID NO ADJUSTMENTS to the car till the end of the rally!
2. No more checks of wheelbase during the LEG2 by stewards
3. Team monitored wheelbase at each service. It was the same.
4. Strange deviations in measurements for some other cars
5. Rumors
In the end, this penalty had significant impact on sporting part of the rally, changing competition itself. We never say "IF", but someone can imagine, that we could finish this event 3 seconds from First Place and score 29 points instead of 22 for the championship.

I let everyone make his own mind.

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[mknight]

Penalty and measurements is one thing, but he mentions that both his, Arai's and Falcon's car had "normal" 2565-2566 in service and before rally. I get there are tolerances and some small differences from chassis to chassis but isn't it a bit big difference that the "normal" value is 2565 and not 2543 as homologated?

Speculation(since the stewards also seem to focus on this): has there been some change introduced (by Citroen?) to the geometry that "slightly" changed the normal value from 2543 towards 2565 so that now the car are very close to the maximum value?

[Mirek]

I get there are tolerances and some small differences from chassis to chassis but isn't it a bit big difference that the "normal" value is 2565 and not 2543 as homologated?

You understand it in a wrong way.

The rules say that the wheelbase must be same as stock +/-1%. It's up to the manufacturers how they use this possible difference from the stock car. It's not like they must have their nominal values same as the stock car.

[mknight]

Ok, thought 2543 was "race" car.