WRC ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2019

[Tauri_J]

Didn't see any thread about it, so here we go. https://www.rally-maps.com/Rallye-Deutschland-2019

Last years awful SSS is gone, instead of that we have SS1 what will be same as shakedown.
Friday is same as last year. Saturdays Freisen and Römerstraße are same as last year. Arena Panzerplatte and Panzerplatte reversed with some tweaks. Sunday we'll have Grafschaft, almost same as last year with some small variations. Power stage will be Dhrontal which was last run in 2016 altough then it was slightly longer.

I'm heading there myself this year. Any tips to get a better spectating experience would be great as it will be my first tarmac event. Could be last rally Deutscland for a while.

[Morte66]

I've been watching Rally for 3 or 4 years now and somehow I missed Deutschland every time. I suppose I had better make sure I get it this time...

[bomber21]

I also had a great time in Germany two years ago.

Panzerplatte was very impressive with thousands of fans spectating, partying, drinking beers and eating hot dogs :P

Saarbrucken SSS was a disaster (this is where Meeke went off during the first seconds of the rally)...

Mittelmosel vineyards SS were very impressive as well. Close to the river and in the vineyards, I enjoyed.

[dimviii]

Princen with citroen wrc at Germany

https://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/wrc/kris-princen-en-citroen-wrc-au-deutschland-rallye-5d1a0f7a9978e215c7345c04


A gift from his teammate and sponsor Peter Kaspers.

The Belgian champion will make an occasional comeback in the World Cup, eighteen years after his last appearance in Cyprus with the Peugeot 206 Bastos Kronos, during the next Rally of Germany, the WRC World Cup competing from August 22 to 25 not far from our borders.

"I always told Peter that I would still like to do a little rally with a WRC because it's still different from an R5," says the driver from Saint Trond. "He took me at his word. But as we did not want to steal the show from the provincials in Hannut or Waremme, Peter, who dreamed of competing in a world championship event, decided to join Deutschland with the J-Motorsport Citroën DS3 WRC, the car with which Jourdan Serderidis drove a few years ago. "
With which objective? "Oh, especially having fun and going to the end. I think the WRC2 Pro will logically be in front of us. I hope we can be in front of the other R5. A day of testing is planned. If I feel comfortable in the car, a Top 15 will be possible

[pantealex]

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/GER_Bulletin_1_eng_Att_yellow.pdf

8 drivers will do recce only.
(OC Veiby, Martin Koci, DEDO ??, Sebastian Johansson ??, Rene Noller ??, Charles Munster, Gregoire Munster, Anthony Rott ??)

Interesting that we know that but we don´t have entrylist...

[Mirek]

Dedo is rather old Italian guy. He used to drive PWRC 15-20 years a go.

[Got Mail]

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/GER_Bulletin_1_eng_Att_yellow.pdf

8 drivers will do recce only.
(OC Veiby, Martin Koci, DEDO ??, Sebastian Johansson ??, Rene Noller ??, Charles Munster, Gregoire Munster, Anthony Rott ??)

Interesting that we know that but we don´t have entrylist...

Johansson, Noller, 2 x Munster and Rott are from the ADAC Adam Cup.

As part of this year's Cup they have been offered a free recce for this event.

[mknight]

When should the entry list normally be published?

[Hartusvuori]

Dedo is rather old Italian guy. He used to drive PWRC 15-20 years a go.

Rather old ;-) He just turned 47. But sure, in this context.

[fisulino]

No Loeb in Deutschland Rallye 2019 but with Dani Sordo

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/artikel/rallye-deutschland-kein-start-von-loeb-41567/

[mknight]

No Loeb in Deutschland Rallye 2019 but with Dani Sordo

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/artikel/rallye-deutschland-kein-start-von-loeb-41567/

The same people that said last week that Loeb will start "because it's obvious", while Loeb himself said for last few months that he wants to have free in August.

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1158634465129897984

Hyundai lineup confirmed: Neuville, Mikkelsen, Sordo

[pantealex]

When should the entry list normally be published?

2-weeks ago ...

[mknight]

https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1158634465129897984

Hyundai lineup confirmed: Neuville, Mikkelsen, Sordo

This basically means that Spain will be Neuville, Loeb, Sordo... even if Mikkelsen is much better than Sordo in Germany (which is unlikely without big changes to the tarmac car) I doubt they will drop Sordo in Spain.

[AnttiL]

Rovanperä said on twitter he's doing Rally Deutschland

[AnttiL]

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2019/08/07/route-preview-rally-deutschland-2019/

Route preview. Like said earlier, SS1 is the same as the shakedown, same as last year. No super specials. Friday and Saturday morning same as last year. Panzerplatte largely reversed. Dhrontal from 2016 shortened and Grafschaft from last year tweaked on Sunday.

[wrc2017]

2-weeks ago ...

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/54469-adac-rallye-deutschland-2019/

[dimviii]

Michał Adamiuk
@MichalAdamiuk

. @ Kajto_pl
testing today before #RallyeDeutschland. If everything is ok, @volkswagenms will start in Germany
Polo R5. @RadioZET_NEWS
@OfficialWRC
# WRC2
https://twitter.com/MichalAdamiuk/status/1159089623492116480

[Tauri_J]

Question for guys who have been at Rally Deutschland before, how is the panzerplatte stages regulated? Do they only have designated spectator areas or could I pick my own spot? After all it is a military area, so dont want to get into trouble lol.

[Hartusvuori]

Question for guys who have been at Rally Deutschland before, how is the panzerplatte stages regulated? Do they only have designated spectator areas or could I pick my own spot? After all it is a military area, so dont want to get into trouble lol.

You can try access it elsewhere, but roads can be blocked or not, it can change between runs even. We have always been able to carry on walking. But remember it is a military area after all.

[wrc2017]

You can try access it elsewhere, but roads can be blocked or not, it can change between runs even. We have always been able to carry on walking. But remember it is a military area after all.
Was there last few years and worth the effort. They like to bus people in. quite good value as we can see the multiple times, but very busy. Go early.

[RS]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/54469-adac-rallye-deutschland-2019/

Weird to see Mads do this one and not Finland, and on the other hand to see no Kopecky here after previously being so strong on this event.

[tc10a]

Weird to see Mads do this one and not Finland, and on the other hand to see no Kopecky here after previously being so strong on this event.
I would wait for the official list if there is really no Kopecky there.

[mknight]

The list on ewrc atm is just people that already announced trough other channels that they are entering. So you can use it to see who comes, but certainly not to see who does not come.

[RS]

I would wait for the official list if there is really no Kopecky there.

I tend to agree but note he didn’t seem to join the Pre-Deutschland test which Rovanpera drove a couple of weeks ago.

[dimviii]

TOKSPORT WRT
@toksportwrt
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4h
A nice test day with Neil Simpson and Chris Ingram on tarmac. #skoda #skodafabiar5 #rally #test

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBYqUuEWsAIKlqZ?format=jpg&name=360x360
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBYqTCHX4AAEcAy?format=jpg&name=small

[pucky54]

TOKSPORT WRT
@toksportwrt
·
4h
A nice test day with Neil Simpson and Chris Ingram on tarmac. #skoda #skodafabiar5 #rally #test

Has nothing to do with Deutschland Rallye ;)

[dimviii]

yeap wrong topic mate.

[the sniper]

Neil Simpson isn't entered on Barum as far as I can see though? IIRC he's done a bit of rallying in Germany recently.

[PLuto]

Neil is doing Rallye Sulinger Land I think.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Millener confirmed Camilli in the Fiesta R5 Mk2 for Germany in place of Greensmith.

Another car not yet confirmed.

[EstWRC]

I would have rather seen Camilli in the top car.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Millener expained Greensmith is part of their long-term plans and it will benefit him and the team in the long-run.

He did well on tarmac in Monte and thry are keen to see him on this surface again.

Putting Camilli, Breen or Paddon in the WRC car for just one event would make no difference to the team. They wouldnt win the rally and M-Sport isnt in the running for the Manus title.

[rp]

Millener expained Greensmith is part of their long-term plans and it will benefit him and the team in the long-run.



That´s true. A long-term plan is as long as there is enough money...

[pantealex]

I would have rather seen Camilli in the top car.

After his performance in Finland, R2T would be best choice...

[mknight]

After his performance in Finland, R2T would be best choice...
Suninen's performance in the same car in Estonia was about as bad.

[pantealex]

Suninen's performance in the same car in Estonia was about as bad.

and Suninen´s performance with WRC19 in Finland was about as bad :(

[pucky54]

Neil is doing Rallye Sulinger Land I think.

Yes, test was for Neil (Sulingen) and Chris (Barum)

[Rallyper]

That´s true. A long-term plan is as long as there is enough money...

And money comes by selling R5 cars. No marketing of these, eg. hire a decent driver, makes them sell even less...

[seb005]

Hello, can you guys help me to get to some spectacular Highspeed Sections on Rally Deutschland. Especially on the Panzerplatte, i have no Idea how to get to the places outside of the official Spectator Areas like them in this Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWINmv6wruM on 0:34, or can you tell me another Places for this year, sadly they will drive it the other way.

[MartijnS]

Look on the map in the region of Idar-Oberstein, Kirchbollenbach. There are enough possibilities to go to the Panzerplatte.

[Rallyper]

ADAC-Rallye Germany told me there is no confirmed entry list yet... It was on my request. Wonder why?

[Rally Hokkaido]

ADAC-Rallye Germany told me there is no confirmed entry list yet... It was on my request. Wonder why?

FIA still on holidays?

[hari]

Entry List: https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/115/Entrylist_TR_190809.pdf

12 x WRC
29 x R5

[mknight]

Kopecky is there, Sarrazin too, but most surprising to me Tidemand in new Fiesta as Official MSport entry.

[the sniper]

Nice entry. Hopefully this should give us the clearest impression yet of where the Fiesta Mk2 stands.

[Andre Oliveira]

Cool entries in RC2

7 Škoda Fabia R5
6 Škoda Fabia R5 evo
4 Ford Fiesta R5 MK2
4 Volkswagen Polo GTI R5
4 Hyundai i20 R5
2 Citroën C3 R5
2 Ford Fiesta R5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBjBrkAW4AImIGp?format=jpg&name=medium

[Rallyper]

MSport gearing up in R5 class. This should´ve been done already in Finland. Tidemand or Bergkvist doesn´t matter. Both should perform same.

[SubaruNorway]

Not sure that will help, if you compare the start of Äänekoski 2 with Rovanperä the two M-Sport cars It's already 10-15m behind up to the first corner and 2 sec by the end of the next straight...

[RS]

Not sure that will help, if you compare the start of Äänekoski 2 with Rovanperä the two M-Sport cars It's already 10-15m behind up to the first corner and 2 sec by the end of the next straight...

How did you reach this conclusion?

[mknight]

How did you reach this conclusion?
Prbly from onboards.

[RS]

But some people say nothing is wrong with the Fiesta’s engine, so what is the problem? Traction?

[SubaruNorway]

How did you reach this conclusion?

You can see the time difference next to Camilli's speed.
It was closer on the 1st run with less traction off the start, i assume.

[Rally Power]

You can see the time difference next to Camilli's speed.
It was closer on the 1st run with less traction off the start, i assume.

There's no doubt that the new Fiesta is struggling on gravel (both Suninen and Camilli were around 1s/km slower in Estonia and Finland) but from the first tarmac outing in Rome it seems it can be fast on tarmac - Campedelli was a bit slow at the beginning but he quickly improved to a top level pace. Camilli and Tidemand will probably do fine in Germany.

[SubaruNorway]

There's no doubt that the new Fiesta is struggling on gravel (both Suninen and Camilli were around 1s/km slower in Estonia and Finland) but from the first tarmac outing in Rome it seems it can be fast on tarmac - Campedelli was a bit slow at the beginning but he quickly improved to a top level pace. Camilli and Tidemand will probably do fine in Germany.

Not sure with all the stop and start, if you look at the start of Harju they are quite a bit back there as well.
6-7 kph back on top speed from the Skoda so doesn't seem to be the gear ratio either.

[seb005]

Look on the map in the region of Idar-Oberstein, Kirchbollenbach. There are enough possibilities to go to the Panzerplatte.

Yes ofc, but the stage is very long and i have no idea where are good places to get and how to get there because this is military area? I don't want to stay in the official spectator area like last year, that was boring...

[tpt010]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzD6JfSVdEs

Opel spin at 2:20, would anyone know the stage and spot? Thank you very much.

[seb005]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzD6JfSVdEs

Opel spin at 2:20, would anyone know the stage and spot? Thank you very much.

Should be "Stein und Wein" 49°45'37.7155"N 6°47'43.3942"E

[Duvel]

Should be "Stein und Wein" 49°45'37.7155"N 6°47'43.3942"E

Thanks, hard to reach? trough Thomm i think. Ofroad or asfalt?

[Duvel]

The Fiesta jump at 0.59 anyone?

Or the Citroen at 2.06 also great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzD6JfSVdEs

thanks!

[tc10a]

The Fiesta jump at 0.59 anyone?

Ford: 800m before the opel spin

Citroen: Pre Event test

[MotorsportManiac]

Thanks, hard to reach? trough Thomm i think. Ofroad or asfalt?

You can walk there from the Village Fell. It's about 1.5 km to go uphill.

regards Kevin

[tpt010]

Thank you very much for all the useful info so far. Would anyone know if there is service in Bostalsee between stages 13 and 14? Itinerary at Rallye Deutschland website doesn't list it, but I can see that some other itineraries have it on Saturday at 17:41, but where could I get confirmation if this service exists? Thank you once again.

[CWJ]

https://www.rallyekarte.de/Rallye-Deutschland-2019

Yes Service F for sure between Baumholder stages

[MartijnS]

Login for Rallyguide 2 anyone? They still have the onboard videos online? ;)

[Tauri_J]

Password for RG2 would be much appreciated. Anyone knows the podium location after Power stage?

[CWJ]

The rally drivers will drive to the Service (10 min.) in Servicepark in the
starting order of Special Stage 19. Then they will park their cars in the
podium ceremony area. In the holding area the rally drivers will be
available for photographs and interviews.

Podium Arche is in Service Park just in front of manu's

[Rally Power]

Not sure with all the stop and start, if you look at the start of Harju they are quite a bit back there as well.
6-7 kph back on top speed from the Skoda so doesn't seem to be the gear ratio either.

Maybe you’re right and the Fiesta won’t have a chance on those tight hairpins, but I’m hopefully convinced they've already reach a good tarmac set-up; far better than the gravel one.

[satnav]

Password for RG2 would be much appreciated. Anyone knows the podium location after Power stage?

I'd second that as well ref the password , if possible

[Andre Oliveira]

Pontus Tidemand out of the rally :(

[Portimao]

What's the reason?

[Rallyper]

Maybe he found out how slow the Fiesta is? Just like Pantealex wrote on Twitter...

But only speculations, of course.

[rallyfiend]

Turkey in a WRC car instead.

I think that’s a wise trade....

[AnttiL]

Turkey in a WRC car instead.

I think that’s a wise trade....

Fact or guess?

[Eli]

Hey guys, since it's my first time visiting this rally (& the first time since Corsica 2015), I was wondering if anyone has any tips or suggestions to enjoy it to the fullest? (if it's the nicest or easiest stages to access and stuff like that).

[Entertainer]

Turkey in a WRC car instead.

I think that’s a wise trade....

Exactly my guess, you beat me to it :)

[pantealex]

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/179/Servicepark-UebersichtV1.7-2019.pdf
Servicepark map with car numbers.

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/179/Entrylist_Amended_190813.pdf
Newest version of entrylist

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe he found out how slow the Fiesta is? Just like Pantealex wrote on Twitter...

But only speculations, of course.

How? If he never tested the car?

[SubaruNorway]

How? If he never tested the car?

It's quite clear when you do WRC+ comparison of onboards

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport first with their preview ! ;)

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2019/08/16/TIME-TO-TACKLE-THE-TARMAC

[AnttiL]

M-Sport first with their preview ! ;)

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2019/08/16/TIME-TO-TACKLE-THE-TARMAC

All teams do their previews always on the Friday before the rally. Usually M-Sport is late with their press release. Now it seems Citroen is the last one.

https://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2019/wrc/rd10-preview.html
https://motorsport.hyundai.com/homeward-bound-2/

[EstWRC]

also video preview from Toyota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjtYRycWvg

[dimviii]

Princen ds3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECQp1RKWsAErJfz?format=jpg&name=360x360
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECQp0NoXkAcJh3i?format=jpg&name=360x360
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECQp2GcXoAApV_J?format=jpg&name=360x360

[janvanvurpa]

Princen ds3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECQp1RKWsAErJfz?format=jpg&name=360x360
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECQp0NoXkAcJh3i?format=jpg&name=360x360
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECQp2GcXoAApV_J?format=jpg&name=360x360

I wonder if there is some way that word could be gotten to team Pricipals/bosses/marketing people that black wheels, an unfortunate and very stupid fad carried over from only god knows where, are fugly as fawk...and makes even experience fans instantly suspect of the team..One naturally wonders "are these guys serious, or just poseur girlie men like those roadracers if they follow roadracer fashion fads?"


Who makes the decisions to do this?

There is a nice clear photo and you cannot 'see' the wheel right in front of your nose.. Logically you would think that the wheel manufacturer would like their products seen being used in high level competition, so why would they make them virtually disappear? Since it doesn't make sense, it must have come from some marketing or 'styling' person..
..
Bleeeeech.

[mknight]

You suggest we go back to tires with white sidewalls so we can see them better?

While I see your point, it just isn't such a big deal for me.

[EstWRC]

short preview clip of the long one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU2J83uYbzw

i hope for a really close fight like in Finland or last year here at Rally Germany between Tänak and Ogier until Ogiers puncture. One thing what i want to see is how Tänak handles the pressure if he is pushed right until the last stage. Or vice versa, when he has to push to catch up, although at the moment he would happily take 2nd or 3rd with PS points rather than pushing for the win. Anyway, like i said, hoping for a really close fight until the end between the TOP3.

Outside the TOP3 i cant really see anyone challenging them, Latvala and Sordo have good records here but their starting position is a disadvantage on friday. Shame that we dont have Elfyn.

Also the big question is have Toyota finally found a solution to their suspension/rim problem and how is Citroen bouncing back from unsuccessful Corsica.

[mknight]

Agree that Citroen and Ogier especially is under some pressure here. This is seemingly his best chance to catch up to Tanak (for Neuville it is Turkey). Before Corsica everyone was expecting Ogier with C3 to dominate there and in the end C3 was probably overall the slowest car. I think he should manage to fight in top 3 from start, main issue in Corsica seemed to be that they focused all setup/testing on that long stage with different surface, should not happen twice.

We could see Tanak get pushed in Corsica by Evans and consequently he took a risky cut and got puncture (same as Latvala, while Meeke had "don't cut"), so he is not a robot.

Neuville and Hyundai is another huge unknown. Though in Germany there are not that many mid-speed corners/stages where Hyundai typically has struggled, so he could still be high up even if they didn't do big improvements.

What I recommend everyone is to closely follow SD/SS1 and especially SS9/11 Romerstrasse where Hyundai struggled massively last year being last 3 WRCs without issues on both passes: (https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/44263-adac-rallye-deutschland-2018/?s=181177). Citroen on the other hand has been very good on this stage both in 2017 and 2018. Imo the characteristics of the stage (straight-90 deg-straight) make engine and mechanical grip most important.

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I have to correct you on Sordo who actually has really bad recent record here crashing out both in 2018 and 2017. Both times from podium though.

Before Sardinia there was an argument here where people said how nobody else than the top3 has a chance for podium... and in the end none of them were on podium for the first time of the year. So things can happen.

[swanny]

Hey guys, since it's my first time visiting this rally (& the first time since Corsica 2015), I was wondering if anyone has any tips or suggestions to enjoy it to the fullest? (if it's the nicest or easiest stages to access and stuff like that).

I love the vineyards on Friday. There are also less people on Friday.

Might not be practical for you, but I'm taking my mountainbike again this year. Means that it's no problem to park a bit further away.

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECUy3AkXsAAWU0W?format=jpg&name=medium

Princen's DS3 WRC crashed and caught fire

[Eli]

I love the vineyards on Friday. There are also less people on Friday.

Might not be practical for you, but I'm taking my mountainbike again this year. Means that it's no problem to park a bit further away.

Thanks for answering, any more tips?

[seb005]

Is there a detailed itinerary with times for Regroup in/out, service in/out and timecontrolls?

[swanny]

Thanks for answering, any more tips?

Don't assume everyone else has a plan similar to yours. If you're planning to stage hop then just do it, just know if you arrive too close to stage start time you might not find a nice spot.

Having said that I've stayed, not stage-hopped, instead choosing to hold a nice spot through the rain only to end up with the stage cancelled! Or someone will just come and stand in front of you. Marshalls are also great at doing that!

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[pantealex]

Emil Lindholm is also doing recce only.
(Polo R5 driver from Finland)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECU6YOZXkAAQMZQ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Strange choice of car the DS3 WRC. Why not compete with the other R5's ?

[hari]

Some images from the P2 Test today: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc2_pet_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019 .html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/4.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/5.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/7.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/14.jpg

[HaCo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECU6YOZXkAAQMZQ?format=jpg&name=900x900

Especially since he is used driving Polo R5, Skoda R5, Peugeot R5.

Maybe if they cannot get it fixed... but for the team of course I hope they do!

[denkimi]

Strange choice of car the DS3 WRC. Why not compete with the other R5's ?
it's a present from his codriver.
apparently a few months back after some rally they talked about how driving a wrc is completely different from an r5, and how he would like to drive one once more. So his co-pilot set this drive up as a surprise for him, completely outside their normal schedule. They wanted to drive just for fun, not for results.


https://www.facebook.com/rallye4fans/videos/376586916575219/UzpfSTEwNTMzNDY4NjQ3NDQwOTo5MzM3MjQ1NzY5Njg3NDU/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARDPUAx7mA3aX_ABcxXnUGaVic6eFxOyCmXlwAo9LmI6UX RjOGGiP43fP9XgNVH_dwBup6VP6cqjBjPo

[AnttiL]

Weather forecasts giving all dry for the weekend, quite warm

[AnttiL]

Kris Princen won't start.

[AnttiL]

Since the shakedown and SS1 are the same stage, will it be brushed inbetween? Or will it be already polluted when they start? And will lower class cars start first and Tänak last anyway?

[EstWRC]

Recce day 1 video with guys giving autographs, Lappi, Latvala and Ogier eating lunch and etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNw67pVdDA

[Tauri_J]

Since the shakedown and SS1 are the same stage, will it be brushed inbetween? Or will it be already polluted when they start? And will lower class cars start first and Tänak last anyway?

It isnt SSS, so probably a normal road order. Will it be brushed? I hope so, but if it isnt...not a big deal imo. Fair conditions for all the wrc cars and more fun for the spectators.

E: It is an SSS lol...

[Rallyper]

Just over 24h before Pickems thread closing.

Be sure to make your Pickems for Adac Rally Germany!

[EstWRC]

red rims for Citroen https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1164130276475375617?s=20

[Mirek]

How much horsepower does it add? :D

[EstWRC]

more than the new engine ? :D

here its rolling on those new red ones https://twitter.com/El_Risson/status/1164086978079612928?s=20

[Ucci]

red rims for Citroen https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1164130276475375617?s=20

Against intensive technical advantage by Toyota even ''gold'' rims are pointless....

[Norm75]

Too much red.
They do however look a different design to the previous white tarmac spec rims.
Anyone know if they've switched rim manufacturer?

[dimviii]

this rim seems like a ''speedline'' to me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen should remember their history... white wheels were winners.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECf8YmIW4AcLyQY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Fast Eddie WRC]

At least the C3 R5 kept white:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECf71T6W4AE9qkZ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[bomber21]

I did Rally Deutschland 2017. It was amazing and IMHO it should stay in the calendar. Vineyard stages and Panzerplatte were really great!!! SSS was nothing special though but I had a good time watching it as well.

[Norm75]

this rim seems like a ''speedline'' to me.

Yes, look like the r5 wheel which is speedline?
The Twitter feed showing the car also had a reply from speedline so looks like they've gone from o.z to speedline.

[mknight]

red rims for Citroen https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1164130276475375617?s=20

It's Hyundai front wheels from their livery-announcement session ;)

They got them very cheap, no mileage.

[deephouse]

It's Hyundai front wheels from their livery-announcement session ;)

They got them very cheap, no mileage.

And I thought they can't surprise me anymore...

[dimviii]

Jari wants to caption this
https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC/status/1164229615487004672

[EstWRC]

this thread needs MOAR PICTARS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECg1t7tWkAAOo9S?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECg1XyAW4AELfgL?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECgwBtSXsAA8R_x?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECgDYQdWkAUXc0f?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECgDXM6W4AELh82?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECf9budX4AA8R4s?format=jpg&name=small

[hari]

Some more pictures from today: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland/5.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland/10.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland/7.jpg

[AnttiL]

Apparently SS1 is not televised, only on All Live

[Ucci]

Citroen should remember their history... white wheels were winners.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECf8YmIW4AcLyQY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

And Xsara still looks far better than ''C3 ugly duck''.....

[stefanvv]

this thread needs MOAR PICTARS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECg1t7tWkAAOo9S?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECg1XyAW4AELfgL?format=jpg&name=medium

Oh the rims look mean.

[pantealex]

Start list for Shakedown
https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/COC_2_engl.pdf
Same as before: points order + wrc2pro

[EstWRC]

damn, shakedown start so late, cant wait for the action to begin already

[Integrale]

Apparently the red rims won't be used on stages, only in parc fermé.

[EstWRC]

SD live https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOORacingWRC/videos/2191673067608659/?notif_id=1566460846876083&notif_t=live_video_explicit

[EstWRC]

Tänak already at the end of stage, Ogier basically too

and they are still showing us preview

what a useless bunch.....:mad:

how hard it is to start earlier and then to show those things?

[Mirek]

They write on ewrc that many crews had punctures on Panzerplatte stages already during the recce. The stages are said to be rougher than usually and we can expect a lot of punctures on them.

[EstWRC]

so they missed 4 drivers and started with SUninen, lmao


Meeke off to the grass already

[AnttiL]

Meeke already slightly off the road in a chicane

[AnttiL]

My guess is they had technical problems which prevented the live stream from starting earlier

[EstWRC]

They write on ewrc that many crews had punctures on Panzerplatte stages already during the recce. The stages are said to be rougher than usually and we can expect a lot of punctures on them.

Ott said the same yesterday to estonian media, Saturday long stages are the key and the road is very broken

[AnttiL]

Ott said the same yesterday to estonian media, Saturday long stages are the key and the road is very broken

And Lappi to Finnish media

[AnttiL]

Quite expected times from the top five runners, I was expecting them to be the five fastest cars in the rally

[EstWRC]

Everybody straight into service, Tänak lost his mirror or piece of front aero already in the first corner against the hay bail

it seems Mikkelsen has been also on the grass like Meeke, both with slow times.

[EstWRC]

first pass

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECj6Q6RWkAACRmm?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All the teams have a driver with a decent time so far. Hopefully promises another close battle.

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECkHZwOXsAEeSxt?format=jpg&name=small

[mknight]

Mikkelsen seems to be same place as last year here and same place as Loeb on Corsica. One of the last WRCs.

Which brings me to an alternative theory why Loeb is not starting. They did not manage to find or do changes that would make the car better to drive for them, so Loeb is waiting with his last start and Sordo runs as safe choice. Just like in Corsica except the other way around with Mikkelsen and Loeb.

[skarderud]

Like 6th place, in front of craig breen?

But in 2017 he was 2nd, so he should be capable for something better:)

Sent fra min SM-G950F via Tapatalk

[AnttiL]

Ciamin off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EtKPqZmPM8

[meh]

Ott said the same yesterday to estonian media, Saturday long stages are the key and the road is very broken

This is something what I don't like - lottery in rally.

Yes, there are always some elements changing (like weather, road condition etc), but if "the winner is the one who luckily didn't get any punctures", then it's not competition anymore.

And I don't talk here about punctures which are caused by driver mistakes, and I know that there is hard to draw clear line between situations "just unlucky" and "driver mistake".

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Greensmith shakedown 1st pass:
“It was OK but we got a front Left puncture”

#GG44 #MSport #FordPerformance #WRC

[AnttiL]

Østberg off https://www.facebook.com/239379753288379/posts/486631431896542/

[EstWRC]

just a shakedown but it seems it will be an Ogier vs Tänak battle again, at least i hope so. They were trading fastest times also last year on SD and continued this on stages.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The top three in the championship split by 0.3s on shakedown.

1 @SebOgier 2m39.7
2 @OttTanak +0.1s
3 @thierryneuville +0.3s

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xd5_RykhgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ightATEihIE


Camillis Fiesta is literally farting

[Rally Power]

Despite the car sound, Camilli last run time is encouraging (only 0,2s slower than Kopecky best; 1,2 from Rovanpera).

[Andre Oliveira]

Mads “shortcut”

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/29987-wrc-rallye-deutschland-2019-shakedown-best-of-by-la-sangle/

[dimviii]

Markus Ippach
@ma_ipp
·


Seeing Tänak coming out of the M-Sport tent

[Rallyper]

Make your Pickems! 45 min to closing thread... :)

[EstWRC]

Mads “shortcut”

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/29987-wrc-rallye-deutschland-2019-shakedown-best-of-by-la-sangle/

that was funny :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5XfIPIhbg8

[EstWRC]

finally a video of faster places https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slMicEwDhGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an1wga4Lljc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fFzRLVMG0

[Tauri_J]

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/Start_List_Section_1.pdf

start list SSS1

[pantealex]

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/Start_List_Section_2.pdf

Start list for FRIDAY

[dimviii]

"It's quite simple, you have to win!" Sébastien Ogier admitted at the microphone to Olivier Gaspard, RTBF's special correspondent in Germany.The ambitions are there, the shakedown has gone relatively well, but we can see that it's really tight, it's going to be an intense fight, and with the risk of a puncture in Panzerplatte on Saturday, I hope that luck will be with us this weekend. Corsica (the last rally on asphalt, where it did not go well for Citroën, ed), and I was eager to fight on the shakedown this morning to see where we were. did not bring all the elements of answer, we seem to be in the act, and I hope that it will continue throughout the weekend.I am not satisfied with 100%, there are things that I would still like to improve, like the balance of the car, which is not yet perfect for my taste. in the right direction, and I hope it will be enough to be competitive this weekend. "

[dimviii]

Ciamin
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2354068851481146

[AnttiL]

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/Start_List_Section_1.pdf

start list SSS1

So it's WRC2Pro first, then WRC, all of them reverse order, then the rest. Tänak will have the worst road position of the top guys, although it's only a relatively short stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Official SD video highlights:
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/videos/page/112---2-.html

[Portimao]

I'm really worried that punctures are gonna ruin the whole rally

[Japé]

I'm really worried that punctures are gonna ruin the whole rally

I was going to say the same + wondering how many broken rims from TGR we will see this weekend. However, really looking forward this rally, it is the best together with Corsica. WRCs look awesome in tarmac trim.

[Grutz]

Just went to do Pickems. Already closed! :( Here are mine for what its worth!!

1 Ogier 2 Tanak 3 Neuville 4 Sordo 5 Evans 6 Meeke 7 Latvala 8 Sunninen

[mknight]

Just noticed that the stage goes in opposite direction for SD. So it won't be so easy for them after all.

[Mirek]

Ciamin
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2354068851481146

Luckily noone was hurt!

[EstWRC]

Just noticed that the stage goes in opposite direction for SD. So it won't be so easy for them after all.

Shows the same for me as in the morning in wrc plus ?

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/hfr_dsc_6903.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/hfr_dsc_6732.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/hfr_dsc_6942.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/hfr_dsc_6922.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/54469-adac-rallye-deutschland-2019/515/

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/dwi_2019r10germany-shakedown0254.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/dwi_2019r10germany-shakedown0369.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/54469-adac-rallye-deutschland-2019/335/

[EstWRC]

I'm really worried that punctures are gonna ruin the whole rally

same here, i dont like it when drivers say already before the rally the road is broken. i understand when it evolves during the rally

not to mention that some already had punctures on the recce

[mknight]

Shows the same for me as in the morning in wrc plus ?

Cause shakedown doesn't actually "show" on the maps. So what you saw in the morning was them running from right(east) to left(west) but with an overlay of the evening stage.

(you can check it near the hairpin in the middle, for example from Østberg vid you can see which way he went and the road he hit, was from east to west)

[dimviii]

Princen was really unlucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkIaMT2nFrM&feature=youtu.be&t=302

[hari]

Just noticed that the stage goes in opposite direction for SD. So it won't be so easy for them after all.

SS1 is the same like the shakedown, same direction.

[mknight]

Huh now I don't get it... the stage map on allive say finish on right(east) yet the WRC2 cars are driving that way.


SS1 is the same like the shakedown, same direction.

Then it is wrong on the allive map.

[er88]

Mikkelsen saying he's much happier with the feeling after the further tarmac improvements on the i20. Wants to fight at the top this weekend.

Meeke saying he doesnt feel he's had a bad season but Portugal and Finland has knocked the middle part of the year. Wants to get a podium and finish in front of a few Hyundai's.

Lappi saying it's the hardest rally of the year for him, hates dirty tarmac and is unsure how much Citroen will be on the pace from tomorrow after the troubles in Corsica.

All drivers saying punctures tomorrow could decide the rally. A lot rougher than previous years.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Princen was really unlucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkIaMT2nFrM&feature=youtu.be&t=302

I thought he wasnt starting after the fire.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECk5raIWsAAFPT4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECk5L2sXUAM7f69?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECk5-VyW4AA36hv?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[dimviii]

All @Michelin
@OfficialWRC
drivers with 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport H5 (Hard)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads pushing.

[EstWRC]

very good first split from Gus

[er88]

Mikkelsen touched a small stone but no puncture.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Super-close again.

But Tanak still finds the fastest time.

[EstWRC]

Sordo is just in amazing form this year

[Mirek]

Interestingly on straights Citroëns hit the highest top speed (194 km/h), the Toyotas the lowest (barely 180 km/h) but Tänak is still reasonably fastest. It looks like Toyota opted for shorter gearing. Hyundai and M-Sport were somewhere between with some 186 km/h.

[Mirek]

Funny how they complain about the road being dirty. There was basically no dirt visible on the stage and anti-cuts everywhere. The only dirty thing was the straw in chicanes.

[EstWRC]

this was a great idea IMO to use the SD stage as SS1...the other rallies should do the same, not those useless super specials

[Mirek]

Hmm, I disagree. The don't need to use shakedown as SS1 to avoid using bullshit stages. They can use whatever normal stage instead. If they want to use SD they could at least reverse it. Driving the same stage over and over again adds some risk and here in CZ we actually had a tragic accident on a stage which the crew did already fourth time including shakedown (you may remember the name of Martin Semerád, once Pireli Star Driver, whose career ended with that).

Sarrazin very slow on SS1. Possibly puncture or something...

[er88]

Anything is better than the Mickey mouse stages. Even another run through shakedown

[EstWRC]

Hmm, I disagree. The don't need to use shakedown as SS1 to avoid using bullshit stages. They can use whatever normal stage instead.

well, i agree with that, it must not be necessarily a SD stage again but a proper stage.

I really like Monte version, two proper night stages on Thursday.

There are some okay super specials too, Harju for example on Rally Finland

[KKS]

Ogier looks really impressive through SS01. I'm not Ogier fan but his drive was brilliant, not so fast enough as Ott, but spectacular to watch

[EstWRC]

agreed. what i was surprised by is how much sweat he had after such a short stage, he is working around with that citroen

[eib1]

SS vs SD (just for fun)

Katsuta -1,3
Greensmith -0,8
Sordo -0,5
Tänak -0,4
Latvala -0,3
Meeke -0,1
Suninen -0,1
Neuville +0,4
Ogier +0,6
Mikkelsen +0,7
Lappi +1,3

[EstWRC]

SD re-live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0VebYx9b-Y
Opening ceremony re-live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBtPqjYeTm4
Michelin shakedown clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7FLQWohonM

more vids of shakedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0K8WOz7pto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ09oxcQY20

[KKS]

At least Camilli time with new Fiesta isn't so horrible as it was in Finland. Really great looking car, but performance from the box so low :/

[hari]

Some more pictures from Shakedown: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland2/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland2/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland2/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland2/7.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland2/5.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland2/8.jpg

[EstWRC]

watching hari pictures, arent the Toyota rims a little bit different compared to Corsica or is it just me? The centre part? https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/471676/

[dimviii]

watching hari pictures, arent the Toyota rims a little bit different compared to Corsica or is it just me? The centre part? https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/471676/

seems same to me

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/corsica_linea_tour_de_corse_2019/vms_dsc_3633.jpg

[tommeke_B]

Looks like now the center of the rim sits a bit deeper compared to the spokes. Anyway, the difference could be invisible (composition of the material the rims are made of).

[doubled1978]

[QUOTE=Mirek;1227009]Hmm, I disagree. The don't need to use shakedown as SS1 to avoid using bullshit stages. They can use whatever normal stage instead. If they want to use SD they could at least reverse it. Driving the same stage over and over again adds some risk and here in CZ we actually had a tragic accident on a stage which the crew did already fourth time including shakedown (you may remember the name of Martin Semerád, once Pireli Star Driver, whose career ended with that).

The Manx Rally used to be like this also, they repeated the stages many times and the speed just ramped up. Vatanen had a huge accident in the MCD Escort when he overstepped the limit, was lucky to get away with it. I seem to remember when interviewed he referenced the repeated stages as a contributor to the accident.

[Tauri_J]

https://youtu.be/6Rv3NHyPEao?t=72

Anyone knows where this hairpin is?

E: nvm, not in this years route

[EstWRC]

Looks like now the center of the rim sits a bit deeper compared to the spokes. Anyway, the difference could be invisible (composition of the material the rims are made of).

yeah i see the same.

[pantealex]

SS1 TGR rims were different than before.

I kind of like #17 Katsuta car because it has no sponsor stickers, just TGR colours.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Long breaks between the stages tomorrow... :(

SS2 Stein und Wein I 19.44 km 10:14 - [23. 8. 10:14 GMT+1]
SS3 Mittelmosel I 22.00 km 11:08 - [23. 8. 11:08 GMT+1]
SS4 Wadern-Weiskirchen I 9.27 km 12:46 - [23. 8. 12:46 GMT+1]

SS5 Stein und Wein 2 19.44 km 15:45 - [23. 8. 15:45 GMT+1]
SS6 Mittelmosel 2 22.00 km 16:39 - [23. 8. 16:39 GMT+1]
SS7 Wadern-Weiskirchen2 9.27 km 18:17 - [23. 8. 18:17 GMT+1]

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Markus Ippach

Seeing Tänak coming out of the M-Sport tent

@richmillener

He wanted @GreensmithGus signature.


@GreensmithGus
Replying to
@richmillener

I can confirm. #HeroesHaveHeroes

:D

[Tauri_J]

Long breaks between the stages tomorrow... :(

SS2 Stein und Wein I 19.44 km 10:14 - [23. 8. 10:14 GMT+1]
SS3 Mittelmosel I 22.00 km 11:08 - [23. 8. 11:08 GMT+1]
SS4 Wadern-Weiskirchen I 9.27 km 12:46 - [23. 8. 12:46 GMT+1]

SS5 Stein und Wein 2 19.44 km 15:45 - [23. 8. 15:45 GMT+1]
SS6 Mittelmosel 2 22.00 km 16:39 - [23. 8. 16:39 GMT+1]
SS7 Wadern-Weiskirchen2 9.27 km 18:17 - [23. 8. 18:17 GMT+1]

very good for spectating

[mousti]

Princen was really unlucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkIaMT2nFrM&feature=youtu.be&t=302Cold tires are the reason that the rear axle broke out.

The hit damaged the chassis, hence why they are not starting.

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[meh]

Long breaks between the stages tomorrow... :(

SS2 Stein und Wein I 19.44 km 10:14 - [23. 8. 10:14 GMT+1]
SS3 Mittelmosel I 22.00 km 11:08 - [23. 8. 11:08 GMT+1]
SS4 Wadern-Weiskirchen I 9.27 km 12:46 - [23. 8. 12:46 GMT+1]

SS5 Stein und Wein 2 19.44 km 15:45 - [23. 8. 15:45 GMT+1]
SS6 Mittelmosel 2 22.00 km 16:39 - [23. 8. 16:39 GMT+1]
SS7 Wadern-Weiskirchen2 9.27 km 18:17 - [23. 8. 18:17 GMT+1]

I think those are quite usual,

SS2 - 10:14, SS3 - 11:08 (whatever your timezone is), difference is 54min.

SS2 - 19.44km, last year winning time 13min
P1 start interval 2min, x11 cars = 20min + x4 WRC2PRO cars (but longer driving time).
Around ~40min driving related time to cover.

Few minutes before, studio analyze after and I can not see there any long cap.

[dimviii]

seems same to me

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/corsica_linea_tour_de_corse_2019/vms_dsc_3633.jpg

yes they are different,at this photo is very clear

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/ine_dsc_7908.jpg



and a cut from Ogier

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2019/ine_dsc_8063.jpg

[irish_tiger]

Cold tires are the reason that the rear axle broke out.

The hit damaged the chassis, hence why they are not starting.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn ONEPLUS A6013 met Tapatalk

He seemed to be in great pain when he got out of the car - did he do damage to his back ?

[KKS]

https://www.facebook.com/WorldRally/videos/2487220244841634/ - Tanak SD onboard. Quite many times he have wipers washer problems. It's not a big deal, but disturb so much. On a 5km stage it happen up to five times! Could be a lost of concentration in critical moment :/

[EstWRC]

more good shakedown clips until the rally starts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2gmqoG5xA look at the peugeot guy gettin so confused @ 3:15 :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKMV-0v8O4

how many mirrors the teams have here with them?

[racerx1979]

Toyota is using updated wheels. I can confirm this.

[EstWRC]

what else can you confirm?

cmoooon, dont be shy

[dimviii]

again yaris seems to be the lowest one.The only one touching the ground at almost flat asphalt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECo4cuEU0AEzOTI?format=jpg&name=medium

[AnttiL]

SS2 Stein Und Wein today is interesting because almost half of it is run on very wide and fast roads. Partly it has a Corsica/Catalunya flow type of corners which is untypical to Deutschland, but some of these wide sections are just super fast...there's also some forest and vineyard narrower sections mixed in, but the amount of wide roads is bigger than on any other stage (except Panzerplatte, which is again different in its surface)

[pantealex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2gmqoG5xA look at the opel guy gettin so confused @ 3:15 :D

We still call 208 as Peugeot ;)

[Rallyper]

Morning everyone!

New day and new challenges for the drivers in WRC. Let´s see what waits around the corner...

[EstWRC]

hah, my bad, i dont know how i saw opel there, lol

[AnttiL]

Everyone with 5 hard tyres

[EstWRC]

again the stage is live and they are not showing it

im getting fed up with this

[Rallyper]

again the stage is live and they are not showing it

im getting fed up with this

If you have WRC+ you´ll be able to watch... :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Malcom Wilson and Ford's top guys here to watch & persue Tanak. :)

[EstWRC]

Ogier +0.8 spl1

[EstWRC]

Ogier +0.5 spl2
Neuville +0.7 spl1

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen already 2s down in first split

[EstWRC]

Thierry fastest in 3 rd split

[er88]

Hard to see anyone getting near top 3 due to pollution, nevermind how good the top 3 are anyway. Top top speed

[EstWRC]

Neuville flying!

1.5 faster in final split

[AnttiL]

Hard to see anyone getting near top 3 due to pollution, nevermind how good the top 3 are anyway. Top top speed

In dry weather it shouldn't be so bad. I'm expecting Sordo and Latvala to do well regardless of their bad road position.

[er88]

Seb not happy

[EstWRC]

Suninen stopped

[er88]

What a disaster for him

[EstWRC]

amazin amazing battle from the Top3

exactly like i hoped!

[BigWorm]

Bravo Thierry

[er88]

Superb run from Thierry

[AnttiL]

Suninen with technical problems

[er88]

Jesus Mikkelsen...., back to his usual tarmac pace in the Hyundai it seems. Unless he has an issue...

[EstWRC]

Latvala slow in first one, lets see Sordo

[er88]

Meeke lost quite a bit in last section of the stage

[AnttiL]

Lappi at the same pace with Mikkelsen, not good.

[Rallyper]

Now let´s hope for a proper start for Latvala.

[Sulland]

Suninen stopped

Any info on why yet?
Lets hope the fiesta fires up again!

[AnttiL]

Any info on why yet?
Lets hope the fiesta fires up again!

ewrc says hydraulic issue

[AnttiL]

Nobody matching Kalle in RC2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awful scruffy WRC+ coverage of SS2... so many dropouts.

And gutted for Suninen - what a shame.

[er88]

Wrc+ need to sort their shit out this morning

[er88]

Awful scruffy WRC+ coverage of SS2... so many dropouts.

And gutted for Suninen - what a shame.Poor show from Msport, especially if they want to attract Tanak...

[Mirek]

Katsuta nearly 0,5 s/km slower than Kalle (but Kalle crushed everyone in WRC2)...

[AnttiL]

Katsuta nearly 0,5 s/km slower than Kalle...

Katsuta stalled in the first hairpin

[er88]

Camilli not happy at all. Wonder if it's with the car or his driving

[Mise]

Camilli 15 secs slower than Kalle. Not good for M-Sport either.

[dimviii]

Lefebvre near Kalles splits