WRC ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2019

[Mise]

Well this is how rallies are arranged. The podium at the end of the power stage is a fake podium only for television. The results are always provisional at that point. Basically even the winner could still retire on the last road section.

Rally Sweden ends so close to the service park that they can show the actual podium on TV.

Or even the championship. :D

[Rallyper]

I didn´t see this one here
https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/Stewards_Decision_5.pdf
Morten Østberg fighting with fire-mans...

well, we see much in here, but not so much at such detail for every competitor. ;)

[deephouse]

Can we expect Ogier to find another excuse to punish Neuville (or Tanak) or maybe both teams through FIA, organizers or promotor just to prove that he can't follow their speed anymore. I'm glad that someone after really long time have a real chance this time to triumph over those French guys.

[EstWRC]

Q:
We were wondering whether you would go for maximum points in the Power Stage. We have seen it before when you have taken a win, but you mentioned at the end of the previous one that you weren’t too sure. You said “maybe not”. Was the feeling not there, or did you know from the beginning of the day, that was not going to be the objective?
OT:
To be honest, something happened on the penultimate stage, on the long stage. At the end, I started to lose braking stability and then, I only had one-wheel braking at the front. We tried to do many different things on the road section, but we couldn’t understand what was happening. I tried for the first two corners of the Power Stage but in the end, there was no chance for us to really push with this car, so it was important to bring it home


rest of the press conference https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-teams-hard-work-paying

[dimviii]

Νeuville vs Tanak at same corners.Watch at last plan how later is Neuvilles braking

https://youtu.be/eycSaPRb5CU

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgsD-kTBpVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11wr2_Ya7Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0vEI6fAkc

[dimviii]

Τanak pushing a straw bale
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1165703850822721537

[RAS007]

Great result for Tanak, Meeke and Latvala. And Tommi!

[meh]

1839

https://twitter.com/elarlang/status/1165726045481373700

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well, the fight for the WMC should be a great one. Adamo's calculations with the lineup vs the unstoppable Tanak and awakened Meeke and Latvala.

I can't see Ogier retaining the title, the C3 is just not the championhsip car. Turkey is a hasard for anyone and there is a cleaning effect, the same goes for Australia if the championship will be opened then at all. Half tarmac Spain will also cost Ogier a lot since C3 is a proven blunder on that surface. Not even close to being enough to come back from -40.

The only thing that can stop Tanak now is a DNF or two.

[lnvs]

Νeuville vs Tanak at same corners.Watch at last plan how later is Neuvilles braking

https://youtu.be/eycSaPRb5CUI think it looks too close to say who is braking later. Cleary Tänak's brake lights are glowing way before he starts proper braking. Maybe it's just very touch sensitive when he is hovering foot over the brake pedal.

[cali]

Smooth braking vs hard braking. Sometimes or even most of the times smooth is better.

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[denkimi]

Smooth braking vs hard braking. Sometimes or even most of the times smooth is better.

Who told you that bullshit?

Unless you lock up your wheels and damage the tyres, or brake too late and overshoot the ideal line, braking hard is always better.

Nobody breaks smooth, there are no advantages too it.

[Mirek]

According to this article Simone Scattolin, co-driver of Fabio Andolfi, suffered triple pelvis fracture and a broken rib in the accident on SS18. It's written there that they hit a tree by the right side of the car.
https://www.rallyeslalom.com/fabio-andolfi-e-simone-scattolin-vittime-di-incidente-sulla-ps18/

[robertr]

Some statistics - comparing TOP 3 for the last 3 seasons with the current scoring system.

You can see that in 2019 Big 3 are dominating the championship more than they have in the past 2 seasons. They have amassed 46,72% of all the available points, compared to 42,67 in 2018 and 41,47 in 2017. At the moment Tänak has gathered 17,67% of all the available points.

Ogier in 2017 and Neuville in 2018 were leading the championship at 177 points (15,26 %) after the 10th rally of the season. Compared to those, Tänak's 205 is pretty impressive - still not close to Ogier's domination up to 2016.

1840

So, things are promising for Tänak, but nothing is lost for Ogier and Neuville yet. Last season at the same time, Ogier was also at 3rd place ;)

[Vahula]

I think it looks too close to say who is braking later. Cleary Tänak's brake lights are glowing way before he starts proper braking. Maybe it's just very touch sensitive when he is hovering foot over the brake pedal.

As a reminder: https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/jari-matti-latvala-art-of-braking
Tänak is just feeling the grip and not stabbing the brakes

[Indreq]

Who told you that bullshit?

Unless you lock up your wheels and damage the tyres, or brake too late and overshoot the ideal line, braking hard is always better.

Nobody breaks smooth, there are no advantages too it.

Having done hobby/amateur racing on track, rally and ice circuit, i would also give very slight advantage to "smooth" braking. Of course, there are many who also have some experience (many much more) and would disagree, but thats where different drivind styles, different cars and different situations come to play. Smooth braking doesnt mean that it is not hard. At the peak, pedal is probably pressed down just as much. In my opinion, smooth braking gives more control over the speed and balance of car at which it enters the turn. When braking looks like 0%-100%-0%, then it is somewhat harder to hit that exact moment when speed is optimal. Also, at hard braking suspension is compressed quite lot, when suddenly releasing (depends also on rebound settings) then change in available traction is more sudden. On track i usually brake like 0%-100%-30%-0%. On loose stuff it is anyway game of balancing on the edge of traction, so variations are different, usually nobody brakes pedal-to-the-metal unless you are facing something really scary and survival instincts take over. In gocarting, it is very clearly visible who is "hard" braking and who is smooth. Hard braking guys usually have visually very aggressive driving style, they wobble in the turns, slide around etc while smooth braking guys only slide at very sharp turns using slide to aid turning. Many years back i was such aggressive guy and despite all i tried, i got solidly beaten by very smooth schoolmate - who in later years became our national champ in track racing. Since then i also tried to be less aggressive on braking and IMHO it has helped me to be better driver.

[hari]

My gallery: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019.html
A perfect week at ADAC Rallye Deutschland again.

http://www.ir7.at/ger19g.jpg

[MartijnS]

We went for 3 days again. Good rally! Enjoyed our 'home' WRC Rally once again. Let's hope it won't be the last one!

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Some more at our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallymedia/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2413873052033983&ref=page_internal
Joost his video, probably posted already, but just to make sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0vEI6fAkc

[cali]

Having done hobby/amateur racing on track, rally and ice circuit, i would also give very slight advantage to "smooth" braking. Of course, there are many who also have some experience (many much more) and would disagree, but thats where different drivind styles, different cars and different situations come to play. Smooth braking doesnt mean that it is not hard. At the peak, pedal is probably pressed down just as much. In my opinion, smooth braking gives more control over the speed and balance of car at which it enters the turn. When braking looks like 0%-100%-0%, then it is somewhat harder to hit that exact moment when speed is optimal. Also, at hard braking suspension is compressed quite lot, when suddenly releasing (depends also on rebound settings) then change in available traction is more sudden. On track i usually brake like 0%-100%-30%-0%. On loose stuff it is anyway game of balancing on the edge of traction, so variations are different, usually nobody brakes pedal-to-the-metal unless you are facing something really scary and survival instincts take over. In gocarting, it is very clearly visible who is "hard" braking and who is smooth. Hard braking guys usually have visually very aggressive driving style, they wobble in the turns, slide around etc while smooth braking guys only slide at very sharp turns using slide to aid turning. Many years back i was such aggressive guy and despite all i tried, i got solidly beaten by very smooth schoolmate - who in later years became our national champ in track racing. Since then i also tried to be less aggressive on braking and IMHO it has helped me to be better driver.Thanks mate! That's exactly what I was referring to but we have here some boneheaded internet warriors who clearly are very good at starting a spitting contest. So I must warn you - they're coming after you for speaking out!

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[EstWRC]

good vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXqAx-GNvUg

[lnvs]

As a reminder: https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/jari-matti-latvala-art-of-braking
Tänak is just feeling the grip and not stabbing the brakes
Eh, there is clearly something with sensitive brake lights. Nobody starts to feel brake grip when still going flatout. :D

[dimviii]

https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/08/26/19082602123514707.jpg
https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69275500_2629410300424258_476809183094636544_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQmI88uXl_d1qsHsd9Z4gAWj-X5pKSlJn6dfrRZrG6ZH3SGf0U1fucSCulNqGOe_3Yk&_nc_ht=scontent-cdt1-1.xx&oh=f92b1180d1f72d13cd461525d8352ac0&oe=5E0B3040

[Flyin18T]

We went for 3 days again. Good rally! Enjoyed our 'home' WRC Rally once again. Let's hope it won't be the last one!

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69909925_2413873242033964_8908834333180035072_o.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQmrMnyIE0cGOk33SbGqRME-zhsKpLLsGWnxBMeDOoBA-z_xu6qsaO_RMUteJhUegww&_nc_ht=scontent-frt3-1.xx&oh=c4975efe70345fc632cbc9e53f16f943&oe=5DD1E9E8

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Some more at our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallymedia/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2413873052033983&ref=page_internal
Joost his video, probably posted already, but just to make sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0vEI6fAkc

Awesome! Thank you for sharing!

[Flyin18T]

good vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXqAx-GNvUg

Great stuff! Unfortunately the official WRC Youtube channel only puts out 1-2 minute clips. However a couple days ago they released some in-car footage that was 10+ minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wI3wUz9sBs

[Raymonhuisjes]

Video WRC Rallye Deutschland 2019 - 4K | CRASH | MISTAKES | FLAT OUT | BIG MOMENTS
Enjoy;)

https://youtu.be/Ggx3gi5n-6U

[dimviii]

Jack Benyon
@jackbenyon
·
25 Aug
For those wondering, the incredible tyre change times during the Panzerplatte yesterday: @thierryneuville
/@nicolasgilsoul
1m12s
@SebOgier/Ingrassia 1m22s
Absolutely incredible during the stage!

[stefanvv]

wow

[dimviii]

plenty of sangliers
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=226677728257591

and the result

https://scontent.fcrl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69307975_2611147522231391_5643154270334222336_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQlVeihUHDZfwfnyPTGHxPk-VZAhc9IhId08O9gta6Fu-QxfZS3DiAS8AkRB43gJpF1KrAY-XkVYAHCLcGkVAc1T&_nc_ht=scontent.fcrl1-1.fna&oh=66756b25f6b92c1ed5d5557473f42698&oe=5E152DFF

[dimviii]

De Villers video,a good one.Clearly hyundai was the one with less top speed
https://youtu.be/QTjhzPovKJs

[Mirek]

De Villers video,a good one.Clearly hyundai was the one with less top speed
https://youtu.be/QTjhzPovKJs

In one of the Saturday's stages there was a downhill along the forest near the end. On the all-live all Hyundais were in rpm limiter at 185-186 km/h, Toyotas and Citroën around 190 km/h (no limiter most likely) and M-Sport cars up to 194 km/h without noticeable limiter.

[gianni123]

Video WRC Rallye Deutschland - 2019

https://youtu.be/-7B0akecHAk

[Jarek Z]

Here is a good 4-minute video from Motulski containing interesting spots, many mistakes (Rovanpera, de Mevius, Bedoret, Dinkel and more), good quality and editing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3OoR7JqdlU

[meh]

Some really superb photos by estonian photographer Jaanus Ree: https://www.facebook.com/pg/www.jree.ee/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2629408903757731

[EstWRC]

Zeroundersteer video https://youtu.be/zpDT86tJSlI

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-3458-0-76677700-1566896447.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-2474-0-95718900-1566905763.jpg

[MartijnS]

Chicane after flatout speed limiter part where we were haha.

[dimviii]

caption this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC9vLevXoAAtJmP?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

behind the scenes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrumhKJto7M

[dimviii]

Tanak believed Neuville could have beaten him to the win.

"On Friday, we were normally one or two tenths faster per stage than he was but on Saturday, it was actually the opposite - Thierry was actually a bit faster than I was," said Tanak.

"It was looking difficult, so I must say that if it had continued the same way, I would have accepted second place."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/145608/hyundai-wrc-boss-hits-out-at-wasted-opportunity

[meh]

Tanak believed Neuville could have beaten him to the win.

"On Friday, we were normally one or two tenths faster per stage than he was but on Saturday, it was actually the opposite - Thierry was actually a bit faster than I was," said Tanak.

"It was looking difficult, so I must say that if it had continued the same way, I would have accepted second place."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/145608/hyundai-wrc-boss-hits-out-at-wasted-opportunity

I think it was said in context, that he didn't want to take risks to drive faster than "clean run" and from championship point of view he could have accepted second place.
Maybe it's some mindgame, you never know. But for example from Neuville I can not imagine to hear something like that :)

[AnttiL]

Tanak believed Neuville could have beaten him to the win.

"On Friday, we were normally one or two tenths faster per stage than he was but on Saturday, it was actually the opposite - Thierry was actually a bit faster than I was," said Tanak.

"It was looking difficult, so I must say that if it had continued the same way, I would have accepted second place."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/145608/hyundai-wrc-boss-hits-out-at-wasted-opportunity

Straight from the post-event press conference. Always a good read, most news articles the day after are sourced from that

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-ott-tanak-teams-hard-work-paying

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN7nwDh78gE

[Integrale]

Neuvilles spin on Panzerplatte 2 from the other angle. Stone not as close to the wheel as I thought.

https://youtu.be/ox4lorxrr8o?t=93

[mas-racing]

https://i.postimg.cc/zBSX0Fxz/sf2-adac-2019.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FYxqe2K-rk)

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-101-0-45619600-1567098859.jpg

[Nelly]

A few of my snaps. Really hope this rally stays on the calender https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/c549d9eab9913932bdb3a984861a9df1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/b324e2c9b6f0591acb7589a532cec824.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/bfc684782d7dcd04767c708ad5e76195.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/fba8f975ad36096f8820918fd418a038.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/8ccc1e0fab0e8dbdca5caf36ca4c3cbd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/befd990aa83f48137c66bdbfc8e38832.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/3279bec403789b445a207485dcd62689.jpg

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[EstWRC]

more behind the scenes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VXxU-YvCtI
Neuville vs Tänak vs Ogier on a very fast section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrKgIEI9MgA
for Tänak fans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovlpV_ObOsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p_Cv95Uwno

[MotorsportManiac]

Some pictures! :)

https://rally3.de/wp-content/r3gallery/2019/deutschland/album-24/IMG_8263.jpg

https://rally3.de/wp-content/r3gallery/2019/deutschland/album-25/IMG_5395.jpg

https://rally3.de/wp-content/r3gallery/2019/deutschland/album-26/IMG_6136.jpg

https://rally3.de/wp-content/r3gallery/2019/deutschland/album-27/IMG_8663.jpg

https://rally3.de/wp-content/r3gallery/2019/deutschland/album-30/IMG_9848.jpg

More HERE (https://rally3.de/bilder/saison-2019/deutschland/)! ;)

regards Kevin