[WRC] Rally Turkey Marmaris 2019

[meh]

exactly, the same stage will be a nightmare in afternoon

Only nightmare so far was cleaning for first runners and dust.

[meh]

Seems that Tänak's long "at least one stage-win in per event" long line will end with this rally also.

[EstWRC]

Tänak in trouble, its all coming together for Ogier :(

[KKS]

Tanak now can easily sign-up any contract only for reliable car (

[TypeR]

should push that piece of s... down the cliff

[KKS]

we need a N.O.T. comment here

[er88]

What the fuck. Feeling so sorry for Thierry and Ott, huge drama here. It's even worse for Tanak as its not his own mistake

[EstWRC]

so far this seems to be the best result we could have for the championship. ogier maximum points, neuville close and tanak close to none.
lets hope it stays this way so we can keep the fight up into australia.

you got what you wanted.

[Allez Andruet]

Still a long way to go... let's not declare the winner just yet.

[KKS]

Haha Meeke))) "Why is awesome?" )))

[Rallyper]

hahaahahaha. Meeke!! :):):)

[Lead]

you mean bad road position?
No more bad road position for one of them. The car gave up.

[er88]

Lol Meeke :D

[KKS]

If it's starter problem for Tanak... why he couldnt just jumpstart a car?

[KKS]

So far it's seems Hyundai stage

[lnvs]

Tänak is the car breaker :D

[Tauri_J]

If it's starter problem for Tanak... why he couldnt just jumpstart a car?

Seriously?

[Rallyper]

If it's starter problem for Tanak... why he couldnt just jumpstart a car?

I should guess it´s about the throttlewire... connections

[er88]

That Hyundai is so good in these conditions

[EstWRC]

Neuville won the power stage last year starting from second, so a slight chance for Ott but i really doubt it


but man im in no mood today, sorry guys, i wont even start about the car...

[SubaruNorway]

hahaahahaha. Meeke!! :):):)

It was pretty funny when they came into service this morning also with "Have you ever seen the rain" playing in the background!

[dimviii]

Sat 10:44 - Tanak retires for the day
We can confirm that our championship leader will not go any further today. A real shame for Ott and Martin.

[TypeR]

https://www.upload.ee/image/10478187/15395_WRC_Yaris-2019_2.jpg

[Päss1928]

hahaahahaha. Meeke!! :):):)

What did he say? Didn't see.

[EstWRC]

hats down Ott for staying so calm but you could read between the lines he has had enough with the car

[AnttiL]

Tänak just interviewed on All Live. "these things keep happening to us" and "difficult to fight for championship if so many issues like that"

I wonder if the contract is already signed...

[KKS]

Tanak told now car was on a road mode. So it works, maybe he must try to go trough two short stages on road mode to the service.

[AnttiL]

Tanak told now car was on a road mode. So it works, maybe he must try to go trough two short stages on road mode to the service.

Already too late now?

[meh]

Wasn't it "everything is safe mode"?

[Tarmop]

The outcome would have been the same, just the risk of more damage to the car and oneself...

And the contract proably isn`t signed yet, yes. Tänak himself actually said this weekend that there are more than one and less than five interesting offers on the table. In the light of M-Sport/Hyundai not interested anymore, what to believe...:D

[er88]

Aw Thierry was so unlucky. Why weren't there 4min gaps? Couldn't see in the dust and just literally drove off the road

[TypeR]

Malcolm preparing Tänak's contract :D
https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/resources/images/943224.jpg?display=1&htype=100000&type=responsive-gallery

[KKS]

Already too late now?
As I understand it's a problem that they trying to solve. I.e they can run on road mode with starting on time

[KKS]

Aw Thierry was so unlucky. Why weren't there 4min gaps? Couldn't see in the dust and just literally drove off the road
Really bad luck (

[meh]

Aw Thierry was so unlucky. Why weren't there 4min gaps? Couldn't see in the dust and just literally drove off the road

I would not use the word unlucky here.

[Tarmop]

Well yes, but the point in that would be? A working car was loosing massively, + there is the PS tomorrow. The risk of not making there vs trying to salvage 10. place today, in safemode.

[stefanvv]

hats down Ott for staying so calm but you could read between the lines he has had enough with the car

Only if he was M. Gronholm to tell us about the car.....:confused:

[KKS]

Latvala wild here

[er88]

Wonder how the Yaris handles in the fast stuff now with that new wing

[KKS]

Well yes, but the point in that would be? A working car was loosing massively, + there is the PS tomorrow. The risk of not making there vs trying to salvage 10. place today, in safemode.
+2min already. +1m for SS9, +1m for SS10 = +4min. If any of frontrunners retire it's at least +7m. So Tanak will up already. But now its +2+(5*7)=+37m and any 'hopes' for problems to others - gone

[Rallyper]

What did he say? Didn't see.

Kris took microphone from Penlan at stage end and interviewed him. said he loves him... :)

[dimviii]

Sat 11:15 - Tanak on his retirement
"Just came here and nothing happens. We cannot fire it up. Something electrical. No (indication). Five days ago we stop and start and nothing like this happened. There is no need to control everything now. It is back to the fight now in Wales. Difficult to fight for a championship if we have issues like that....!"


Sat 11:04 - Kaj Lindstrom on Ott Tanak's retirement
"The engineers were talking with Ott on the phone. We believe it is ECU-related or some wiring issue but when we get the car back we will know more. At the moment it is a disappointment that it happened."

[Rallyper]

I know Tidemand is first on the road, but doesn´t his car slide to much after corners? Maybe he should try softer suspension at rear?

Edit: Maybe it was Latvala flying-mode...that made me think?

[EstWRC]

five kms not five days

[Rallyper]

Latvala said he drove like Vatanen; "very spectacular...!"

[KKS]

Amazing drive and fantastic time by Mikkelsen!!

[Rallyper]

So reasons for top guys failure is: no 4 min gap on SS8 (Neuville), and bad electrical Japanese gizmos (Tanak) ... :( :)

[Mintexmemory]

Only if he was M. Gronholm to tell us about the car.....:confused:
I don’t see the problem - OT has had the benefit on the rallies where the car doesn’t have to be a King Tiger tank, the C3 was just built for real rallies ;)

[stefanvv]

bad electrical Japanese gizmos (Tanak) ... :( :)

If they're Japanese, then made in China

[stefanvv]

I don’t see the problem - OT has had the benefit on the rallies where the car doesn’t have to be a King Tiger tank, the C3 was just built for real rallies ;)

Good point, Marcus had much more to complain for :D

EDIT: If C3 is for the real rallies now, then it's Ogier's effort. 2017 was more like circuit racer

[er88]

Not much to fight for in this rally anymore. Maybe 3rd if Suninen can respond after lunch but Mikkelsen is fast

Dunno why Becs is getting so excited by Lappi being up on Ogier on the splits. Seb will be on cruise mode knowing he has the win if he stays out of trouble - he doesnt need to drive near 100% as Lappi will give him the win anyway

[stefanvv]

Lappi is pushing for..... team orders

[dimviii]

Lappi 5sec faster at 1st split from Ogier

[Rallyper]

Not much to fight for in this rally anymore. Maybe 3rd if Suninen can respond after lunch but Mikkelsen is fast

Dunno why Becs is getting so excited by Lappi being up on Ogier on the splits. Seb will be on cruise mode knowing he has the win if he stays out of trouble - he doesnt need to drive near 100% as Lappi will give him the win anyway

I´d buy it if they swap 4th to 3rd or so, but taking away victories from fastest driver to gain points for another, is just .... :(

[TypeR]

ofcourse they swap LAppi for Ogier, if it stays like that on sunday.. it smells, but it is Citroen's and Ogier's aim, WDC

[RS]

Nice time by Rovanpera.

[er88]

I´d buy it if they swap 4th to 3rd or so, but taking away victories from fastest driver to gain points for another, is just .... :(Tbh if they were left to fight Ogier would take Lappi anyway (imo).

[AnttiK7]

I´d buy it if they swap 4th to 3rd or so, but taking away victories from fastest driver to gain points for another, is just .... :(

Well, it's a complete no-brainer really to do the switch, win or not, no need to even think twice about it. If you would start to feel very bad about doing this kind of simple team order decisions it would be the time to quit WRC team bossing.

And if Lappi will keep it clean to the finish he will have done a huge job anyway and probably the best WRC event in his whole career, even if it won't be a win on the paper. So far I rate this performance higher than 2017 Finland. His performance yesterday on SS6 was absolutely huge, incredible from that road position and showing that magic talent that has always been hiding there underneath. This is an especially big performance for Lappi because lately it has threateningly looked like he can only be quick on the fast stuff and completely lost in the slower events. Now he just needs to sort out his tarmac driving and iron it all in general so that he is able to keep it all together for three days without mistakes.

Shame for Tänak, but the fragile Toyota has been pretty much the only thing keeping this Championship alive for us from day one. I like that the Championship stays tight, but you gotta be honest, Tänak is the benchmark and the driver of the moment. Whether or not he wins the Championship this year is irrelevant to that question. Still, I'm not sure if I would put Tänak ahead of Ogier yet as a complete package, that's debatable...but when we are talking about pure speed then there is no competition. In that category Tänak is the most impressive driver for me in a very long time, you really have to go way back to see something as impressive. And the killer instinct the guy has is just awesome. Yeah...he really seems like a bit of a dick sometimes but for some reason I accept that in the really top drivers, when they know they are the best and show it. Ogier and Neuville clearly have the same cockiness.

And talking about Neuville it all just seems like a bit of a déjà vu. I adore the guy's driving style, it's really poetry in motion when he goes into his tyre management mode in the long loops and you can see that he really drives the car like it should be driven, no energy wasted, it all looks nicely controlled and well thought out. He seems to drive with his head. But how do these random things just keep happening to him whenever the season arrives to the final few events? It's starting to get bizarre.

[mknight]

Got back to the Tanak interview. He actually said that he turned the car off and started it again in a refuel that was 5 km before the spot where he couldn't start it.

[dimviii]

Meeke Penlan part 2
https://twitter.com/ryanhmclean/status/1172789511748804608

[T16]

Well, it's a complete no-brainer really to do the switch, win or not, no need to even think twice about it. If you would start to feel very bad about doing this kind of simple team order decisions it would be the time to quit WRC team bossing.

And if Lappi will keep it clean to the finish he will have done a huge job anyway and probably the best WRC event in his whole career, even if it won't be a win on the paper. So far I rate this performance higher than 2017 Finland. His performance yesterday on SS6 was absolutely huge, incredible from that road position and showing that magic talent that has always been hiding there underneath. This is an especially big performance for Lappi because lately it has threateningly looked like he can only be quick on the fast stuff and completely lost in the slower events. Now he just needs to sort out his tarmac driving and iron it all in general so that he is able to keep it all together for three days without mistakes.

Shame for Tänak, but the fragile Toyota has been pretty much the only thing keeping this Championship alive for us from day one. I like that the Championship stays tight, but you gotta be honest, Tänak is the benchmark and the driver of the moment. Whether or not he wins the Championship this year is irrelevant to that question. Still, I'm not sure if I would put Tänak ahead of Ogier yet as a complete package, that's debatable...but when we are talking about pure speed then there is no competition. In that category Tänak is the most impressive driver for me in a very long time, you really have to go way back to see something as impressive. And the killer instinct the guy has is just awesome. Yeah...he really seems like a bit of a dick sometimes but for some reason I accept that in the really top drivers, when they know they are the best and show it. Ogier and Neuville clearly have the same cockiness.

And talking about Neuville it all just seems like a bit of a déjà vu. I adore the guy's driving style, it's really poetry in motion when he goes into his tyre management mode in the long loops and you can see that he really drives the car like it should be driven, no energy wasted, it all looks nicely controlled and well thought out. He seems to drive with his head. But how do these random things just keep happening to him whenever the season arrives to the final few events? It's starting to get bizarre.

Cracking post!

PS: Wales will be good!

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEaOI-XXUAAEBxA?format=jpg&name=medium

https://twitter.com/AllaertsKristof/status/1172781042559848448

:D

[Rallyper]

Well, it's a complete no-brainer really to do the switch, win or not, no need to even think twice about it. If you would start to feel very bad about doing this kind of simple team order decisions it would be the time to quit WRC team bossing.

And if Lappi will keep it clean to the finish he will have done a huge job anyway and probably the best WRC event in his whole career, even if it won't be a win on the paper. So far I rate this performance higher than 2017 Finland. His performance yesterday on SS6 was absolutely huge, incredible from that road position and showing that magic talent that has always been hiding there underneath. This is an especially big performance for Lappi because lately it has threateningly looked like he can only be quick on the fast stuff and completely lost in the slower events. Now he just needs to sort out his tarmac driving and iron it all in general so that he is able to keep it all together for three days without mistakes.

Shame for Tänak, but the fragile Toyota has been pretty much the only thing keeping this Championship alive for us from day one. I like that the Championship stays tight, but you gotta be honest, Tänak is the benchmark and the driver of the moment. Whether or not he wins the Championship this year is irrelevant to that question. Still, I'm not sure if I would put Tänak ahead of Ogier yet as a complete package, that's debatable...but when we are talking about pure speed then there is no competition. In that category Tänak is the most impressive driver for me in a very long time, you really have to go way back to see something as impressive. And the killer instinct the guy has is just awesome. Yeah...he really seems like a bit of a dick sometimes but for some reason I accept that in the really top drivers, when they know they are the best and show it. Ogier and Neuville clearly have the same cockiness.

And talking about Neuville it all just seems like a bit of a déjà vu. I adore the guy's driving style, it's really poetry in motion when he goes into his tyre management mode in the long loops and you can see that he really drives the car like it should be driven, no energy wasted, it all looks nicely controlled and well thought out. He seems to drive with his head. But how do these random things just keep happening to him whenever the season arrives to the final few events? It's starting to get bizarre.

Of course it´s like you say about Ogier taking 1st if needed.

But funny you talk so good about other drivers. Lappi doing better than Finland 2017, Ott being benchmark, Neuville poetry in motion (you might have listened too much to WRC+ commentators).

Still, history will only show Ogier WDC and no one cares about the others from the season 2019, ten years from now. History books rule and no matter how much or near in points, Tanak and Neuville, was it will be Ogier we remember from 2019. (If he wins WDC, that is, of course)

[AnttiL]

I still remember how great Didier Auriol was in 1992. Or Vatanen late 1984 and early 1985 with the 205 T16. Or Toivonen a year later with Delta S4.

[Rallyper]

I still remember how great Didier Auriol was in 1992. Or Vatanen late 1984 and early 1985 with the 205 T16. Or Toivonen a year later with Delta S4.

If you dig, you´ll find.

History books is another story...

[Rallyper]

I still remember how great Didier Auriol was in 1992. Or Vatanen late 1984 and early 1985 with the 205 T16. Or Toivonen a year later with Delta S4.

And Waldegård in 1974...

[mknight]

A bit strange that Ogier took just 1 spare, could have played it much safer with 2. Not because of tirewear but possible tire/rim damage.

[dimviii]

A bit strange that Ogier took just 1 spare, could have played it much safer with 2. Not because of tirewear but possible tire/rim damage.

Ogier took his risks because he wants to win here if he wants to have any chance for championship.
Australia and Wales would be difficult to compete against Tanak,and Catalunya has asphalt at 60% of kms.

[mknight]

I am talking about him taking one spare right now. It was clearly visible on the camera from service on allive.

EDIT: Huh and then Michelin says everyone takes 6 tires. Weird, though it was quite clear there was one tire in the boot:

All the Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 6 MICHELIN LTX Force H4 exept Tidemand with 5H4

EDIT2:

To check it out yourself go to the "Break" on allive before this stage and then go to 1:16:30

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69993725_2295921470534484_1850692079177433088_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQnvSdHuCWTjVaMo58BmoytUnohYST5Z7b0engUm4ut s7gkPh6R7X9jNKfEVQem3xvA&_nc_ht=scontent-cdt1-1.xx&oh=62284fdd55b770ce28311e86041a5b51&oe=5E0E0827

[Rallyper]

A bit strange that Ogier took just 1 spare, could have played it much safer with 2. Not because of tirewear but possible tire/rim damage.

It´s easier to say that having done first loop of today. Before start this morning it was another situation...

[Jarek Z]

Kajetan Kajetanowicz and Tommi Makinen - who said that Finns don't smile? ;)
https://scontent.fktw1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70490744_2837841026249147_8087452546836201472_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlli0hy2PC3Gle5GUt5le6PMna7_qrHxEVNN3i-oJOGbulMd4D9-ib0C-GzEI8T8Yk&_nc_ht=scontent.fktw1-1.fna&oh=99880481f365ab005dee7fa9b22b9603&oe=5E051EBC

[KKS]

Or it's road getting faster. Or Sordo have really good pace. Both Toyotas trying to get him but lost so much to get in to the battle

[er88]

Latvalas tyres totally spent - Meekes look a lot better.

[TypeR]

Awesome to see Mikkelsen with so good pace and giving a good battle

[KKS]

Awesome to see Mikkelsen with so good pace and giving a good battle
Where his get that speed, he near nowhere all year and then bang.... on a pace

[TypeR]

well, okay :D Neuville and Ogier both faster then Mikkelsen.. don't understand why they push so hard?

[KKS]

well, okay :D Neuville and Ogier both faster then Mikkelsen.. don't understand why they push so hard?
to get equal with Ott? :D

[dimviii]

Kopecky stopped

[mknight]

Where his get that speed, he near nowhere all year and then bang.... on a pace

You have been following a different championship this year then.

[EstWRC]

surprised theres no drama on second pass, expect everybody using well their tyres

[stefanvv]

Ogier is amazing

[EstWRC]

Ogier is amazing

thats why he is 7-time champ and when the car is working he is untouchable, like in Mexico this year

[dimviii]

Ogier tyres after ss 11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEa_SjkWkAAOJ-J?format=jpg&name=small

[mknight]

All 3 other cars (Toyota, Fiesta and Hyundai) had much more even tirewear, thought they didn't push so much. Ogier had slicks front and middle-level wear back.

[KKS]

You have been following a different championship this year then.
We with Adamo in same boat then :)

[TypeR]

thats why he is 7-time champ and when the car is working he is untouchable, like in Mexico this year

well, wait :D not yet 7 times champ, Ott is still leading the WDC :D

[Kalm]

well, wait :D not yet 7 times champ, Ott is still leading the WDC :D

well, he did win the JWRC title aswell :D

[dimviii]

Ogier tyres after ss 11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEa_SjkWkAAOJ-J?format=jpg&name=small

Lappis

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEbADgIXUAAzWp7?format=jpg&name=small

[KKS]

First stage where I can see that Pontus have a little bit a push

[dimviii]

Toyota GAZOO Racing WRT
@TGR_WRC
·
7m
Replying to
@TGR_WRC
and
@OttTanak
We've established that a failure of the ECU caused the retirement. Work is underway to prepare the car for a restart tomorrow. #RallyTurkey #WRC

[TypeR]

going to see some proper tyre saving on the next stage I think..

[KKS]

1st split - Ogier going into a lead
2nd - Lappi spun and lead to Ogier 100%

[dimviii]

after ss 12
Tänak : 205 + 0 = 205

Ogier : 165 + 25 = 190

Neuville : 172 + 4 = 176



Hyundai : 289 + 15 + 10 = 314

Toyota : 281 + 8 + 6 = 295

Citroën : 216 + 28 + 15 = 259

[KKS]

Some people never change(((

[wrc2017]

Some people never change(((

What u mean?

[KKS]

Hang on... what a Lappi doing? -1.8 on 1st

[KKS]

-4.1 on 2nd 0.6 to go
Ogier have bad 3rd sector

[KKS]

Agrrr 0.2 overall )))

[KKS]

What u mean?
Meeke very lucky to crash into small stones and small trees

[TypeR]

Lappi, Mikkelsen and Suninen showed really good pace today, awesome to watch

[stefanvv]

Hats off to Suninen Lappi and Mikkelsen indeed. Suninen is building speed in time and not doing something crazy. Tomorrow there is fight to watch between him and Mikkelsen.

[Japé]

Toyota GAZOO Racing WRT
@TGR_WRC
·
7m
Replying to
@TGR_WRC
and
@OttTanak
We've established that a failure of the ECU caused the retirement. Work is underway to prepare the car for a restart tomorrow. #RallyTurkey #WRC

In WRC+ studio they were wondering why TGR does not carry spare ECU in the car like Volkswagen did. Spare ECU does not bring extra weight, fast to change, probably would have saved them from the retirement.

[dimviii]

"If we manage to finish the race, we will do a good job in the title race, yes!" Said Sébastien Ogier at the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, RTBF's special correspondent in Turkey, but on a rally like We are never sure of anything, we are in an ideal situation, but we must not let bad luck overtake us, we must do our utmost to reduce risk taking, that's what I do. I did it in the first two stages of the morning loop, and after the first stage of the day Esapekka and I got a phone call from the team, we were told there was no point in tackling it. is also why we have lowered the pace.There will be no instructions, because they are already there! "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_ogier-il-n-y-aura-pas-besoin-de-consignes-d-equipe-elles-sont-deja-la?id=10315109&fbclid=IwAR3Iu5t-c_E-3C-OR-TLGMCKfBBm39gJT2AcM0bCGL7cS4ad-V7zWT5aqz0


https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70685738_10156492465407057_5829164996071784448_o.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnMfMyFMOjOiZzElYrZqvXIXozu-syFhWP6A1SEzNJYCwDcbXzSo9IG7ZnFBb0HuwQ&_nc_ht=scontent-cdt1-1.xx&oh=7b2e70afb884cce74aa9575cf6c0738e&oe=5DFC80BC

[dimviii]

"The pace has been there since the beginning of the weekend, we knew we would be able to play the win here," said Thierry Neuville at the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, RTBF's special correspondent in Turkey. saw the images, and unfortunately, we can not backtrack, that's how it is, we keep doing our job 100%, but of course there is no longer the same issue. of the Power Stage, we will normally start from third place in the starting order, and we will have to do with.We will see if we can reproduce the scenario of the Power Stage last year, where we were clearly the most It seems difficult with the position on the road of Seb (Ogier, ed) and Lappi who are going very fast this weekend, but we will take what we can take.We will do the final count tomorrow night: as long as everyone is not there, there is nothing decided! "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-le-decompte-final-c-est-dimanche-soir-rien-n-est-encore-decide?id=10315247&fbclid=IwAR3oDEXarHYgS4DnBxtSBGsP3I91_knYwIfp9WOb3 oMikUrCwOYQYFbwWvY

[Pršljen]

Only thing Tanak had to do was to stay on the road and he didn't do it. And now we have a proper championship fight - again.

[Rallyper]

Tanak didn´t stay on the road? You mean Neuville?

Good morning guys, by the way...

[KKS]

For championship it's a perfect situation. Leader not scoring. 2nd place score a minimum and 3rd place - take a win. All three compacted again.

[EstWRC]

Only thing Tanak had to do was to stay on the road and he didn't do it. And now we have a proper championship fight - again.

what the hell ?

[Pršljen]

I didn't mean literally, just to finish the rally, doesn't matter what are the reasons for not doing it or who is responsible, him or Toyota.

[EstWRC]

Tänak with all mediums on no spare

[KKS]

Tanak will not play tactic today? Only 4 tyres.

[Rallyper]

No spare?!

What a gambler...

[mknight]

Might even have issue with car being underweight and have to use extra ballast then?

[Rallyper]

Cruising in waiting for PS, then.

[EstWRC]

Tänak didnt hold anything back here IMO

[KKS]

If I was a Tanak I take 25min late on early TC and 25min late on regroup TC. And after that with 45min regroup they can't put me 1st on the road

[EstWRC]

you cant do these things KKS, otherwise you wont score points on PS, they changed the rules

[KKS]

you cant do these things KKS, otherwise you wont score points on PS, they changed the rules
last rules as I know "starting in given order to PS" If I arrive at 13:20 to TC in, they can't give me 13:15 time for TC out. So at least 13:22/23 and this is 4 position down on the road

[EstWRC]

#Tyre info - Day 3

Tidemand: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force M6
Suninen/Neuville/Mikkelsen : 5H4

Ogier/Lappi: 3H4 +2M6

Sordo: 4H4 +2M6

Meeke: 2H4 +4M6
Latavala: 2H4 +3M6
Tanak: 4M6

[KKS]

Meeke watersplash route give you -0.3

[EstWRC]

and Tänak gets his stage win, 33 rallies in a row

[Päss1928]

Atleast Tänak's stagewin series continues :D

[meh]

Seems that Tänak's long "at least one stage-win in per event" long line will end with this rally also.

But still keep that... :)

[KKS]

RIP GoPro

[raybak]

Seems the road is not clearing too well?

[KKS]

Meanwhile we listening some BS form reporter - Tanak do half of next stage already

[KKS]

ah. Ott drive like grandpa. Nothing interesting missing

[Rallyper]

Now cruising mode for Tanak. :)

[Rallyper]

Now Tidemand is faster than Tanak :) Good!! ;)

[stefanvv]

Stage recce all live :D

[KKS]

Neuville push all Saturday to be "on a game" when someone have a problem and Sunday driving now. L - logic. ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

[EstWRC]

8 different stage winners so far

[Oliverk]

Neuville push all Saturday to be "on a game" when someone have a problem and Sunday driving now. L - logic. ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

Noone had problems. No reason to push. No one will push today anyway.

[KKS]

Meeke down on splits too ))

[KKS]

Noone had problems. No reason to push. No one will push today anyway.
Except Suninen and Mikkelsen... I hope

[Morte66]

This is looking like a dull morning.

[meh]

Imagine you went to spectate it on stage...

[KKS]

+5.1 on 1st split Mikkelsen faster. Game over Teemu

[meh]

And now... the next stage is even more boring, because there are no theoretical battles anymore.

[EstWRC]

they should award bonus point for every stage on Sunday, except PS

[KKS]

Sunday contain 4 stages. 3 BS(Boring stage) and 1 PS )))

[Mise]

Should be power day not power stage. Give 6 points to the fastets guy and 4 to the second. Then we'd get some racing on the last day

[EstWRC]

so smooth stages today, like completely different rally

[dimviii]

flagSordo Dani - del Barrio Carlos
"I try to manage the gap. It's a nice stage but you are always thinking about if you make a mistake! I don't want to see the face of Adamo if I make a mistake!"

[Rallyper]

SS16: three different starting times for that stage before and during the rally. 11:20; 11:24 and 11:09.

Crazy organizer!!!

[AnttiL]

they should award bonus point for every stage on Sunday, except PS

The situation is now this, but usually there's more battling going on. Besides the power stage will be epic with Tänak and Neuville going flat out.

[meh]

I guess Tänak-Neuville-Ogier take 1-2-3 form PS (in whatever order). Others are probably instructed to not take PS points from own team-mates.

[wia5958]

Meeke and latvala under orders to get home for Manu points and let tanak take ps same at Hyundai I would think

[KKS]

Suninen diffuser on watersplash this morning
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEfbXHIWwAAJEQU?format=jpg

[meh]

Actually, all tactic depends how first ones are doing. If Tänak is doing really good time, then there is no point for Latvala and Meeke to push. If Tänak happens to make some mistake or something, then there it makes sense to drive fast with hope to take points away from Ogier and Neuville (but it does not sound realistic in this case).

The same with Hundayi and Citroen.

[RS]

Should be power day not power stage. Give 6 points to the fastets guy and 4 to the second. Then we'd get some racing on the last day

Or just give them a fresh set of tyres for the PS?

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd
@KiwiWRCfan

Rally Trivia
At end of day yesterday both @OttTanak
& @ThierryNeuville
had

��
11 x #WRC rally wins each

⏱
209 x #WRC stage wins each

[AnttiL]

https://i.imgur.com/72RtGx0.jpg

[AnttiL]

Lappi with a small spin

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEfl7TPWsAA5lmn.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEfk0eDXUAEMajJ?format=jpg&name=small

[doubled1978]

Rallies almost always used to be like this by the last day. Massive gaps, only a few top cars left, nobody pushing...
Many years on the RAC rally you would have survived the weather for 4 days and the last day was like a procession...boring to spectate.
Thankfully this is rare now...

[pantealex]

before last SS
Overall
P10 Kajto
P11 Greensmith +7,9

Both are leading their own "class" but who wants 1 real WRC point ?
Does M-Sport want that New Fiesta is first time fastest R5 ?

[denkimi]

before last SS
Overall
P10 Kajto
P11 Greensmith +7,9

Both are leading their own "class" but who wants 1 real WRC point ?
Does M-Sport want that New Fiesta is first time fastest R5 ?
greensmith isn't going any further i think.



Sun 12:05 - Greensmith off after flying finish
Gus rolled his Fiesta just after crossing the flying finish line of SS16 - the car is heavily damaged but both he and Elliot Edmondson are okay. Rotten luck - he was leading WRC 2 Pro up until then.

[Morte66]

Or just give them a fresh set of tyres for the PS?

Do this on rallys where large gaps are expected (like RMC or Turkey). On closer rallies, they can't afford not to push on the last day.

Try it on 3 rallies next year as an experiment, see how it goes.

[AnttiL]

Rallies almost always used to be like this by the last day. Massive gaps, only a few top cars left, nobody pushing...
Many years on the RAC rally you would have survived the weather for 4 days and the last day was like a procession...boring to spectate.
Thankfully this is rare now...

And still people stay Safari should be long if it returns :D

[pantealex]

R5
Last moving car is Ford all other still in rally are Skoda users.

[Jarek Z]

Haha dimviii, this photo of Adamo is fantastic! :D

[KKS]

Blahhh Greensmith

[KKS]

Greensmith on roadsection with 152kph
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEfyp-EXUAAB9xv?format=jpg

[Rallyper]

greensmith isn't going any further i think.

Has he ever finished a rally properly?

[AnttiL]

Kajto lost like a minute on the last stage. Problems?

[KKS]

top3 RC2 will start first on PS . According to wrc+

[TypeR]

Kajto lost like a minute on the last stage. Problems?

seems like everything ok
https://www.upload.ee/image/10481972/kajito.jpg

[AnttiL]

seems like everything ok
https://www.upload.ee/image/10481972/kajito.jpg

Right, seems he's not even counting Greensmith and Kopecky as his rivals.

[KKS]

+1min on 13km stage - it's not OK

[TypeR]

yes, indeed Kajto had problems

,,Kajto broke the front left driveshaft''

[stefanvv]

LOL Adamo: "Solid performance huh, this morning we saw people traveling around"

[Jarek Z]

Oliver Solberg has just won Susquehannock Trail Performance Rally in USA. Now Petter Solberg says it's Kajto's time to win :)
https://www.facebook.com/KajetanKajetanowicz/videos/2450328411909446/

[TypeR]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1173178758515367937?s=20

[KKS]

yes, indeed Kajto had problems

,,Kajto broke the front left driveshaft''
Power stage will be race for two wrecked rally cars for RC2 cat lead )))

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1173178758515367937?s=20
"Put my time on a board!" Gigi Galli ))))

[TypeR]

https://www.upload.ee/image/10482089/gus.jpg

[KKS]

Kopecky have to gain 36.2sec on Gus on this stage to win WRC2pro

[denkimi]

greensmith isn't going any further i think.

So he is going further. :p

[KKS]

+3.2 nope. It's not going to be +36

[EstWRC]

Greensmith only 3 secs slower in spl1

[KKS]

Hah. Win on a wrecked car. And probably 1pts in a championship

[KKS]

Ott got at least extra minute cuz of Kajto
E: +2min

[denkimi]

Tänak with all mediums on no spare
Is that even allowed? I thought at least one spare wheel was mandatory?

[KKS]

Congratz Kajto! Perfect survive to the win!

[EstWRC]

Ott 7 secs quicker than in the morning in spl1

[KKS]

-7.4 on slpit faster than on this morning

[TypeR]

well, thats a fulll attack :D

[KKS]

well, thats a fulll attack :D
+29 temp. So maybe saved hard for Neuville will work better

[Jarek Z]

Congratz Kajto! Perfect survive to the win!

But he lost the 10th place overall and his first ever point in the WRC standings :(

[stefanvv]

Some drive from Tanak

[KKS]

All other two Toyotas - very slow here

[Jarek Z]

But he lost the 10th place overall and his first ever point in the WRC standings :(

But Kajto still seems happy :)

https://scontent.fktw1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70056014_3465025556903773_2532651148259622912_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQlhPKlBYpf-AH1M5qNarVve35DFHmJ5IJ7NnI2_xZ64prXCHfNAKQ9OuxXsth hVZ7c&_nc_ht=scontent.fktw1-1.fna&oh=977a2d9e709a13e369b3bd25865e1b44&oe=5E078E70

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well done Gus Greensmith. Winner of WRC2-Pro and WRC2.... just. ;)

[meh]

I guess Tänak-Neuville-Ogier take 1-2-3 form PS (in whatever order). Others are probably instructed to not take PS points from own team-mates.

And this is how it goes.

[AnttiL]

Puncture for Lappi!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job here Teemu.

[Rallyper]

Lappi did well. Congrats!!

[Päss1928]

Puncture for Lappi!

Front right looked a bit soft indeed.

[TypeR]

really good rally from Lappi, Mikkelsen and Suninen!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great podium Esapeckka !

[AnttiL]

Front right looked a bit soft indeed.

I could hear him say "we lost a tyre" and then Janne calm him down "we have enough gap"

[Rallyper]

Congrats to Citroen and Ogier/Lappi. Championship is alive!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great win Ogier and good for the Title battle.

[stefanvv]

Well done to the Champ in this difficult Rally.

[dimviii]

Tänak : 205 + 0 + 5 = 210
Ogier : 165 + 25 + 3 = 193 (- 17 points)
Neuville : 172 + 4 + 4 = 180 (- 30 points)

Hyundai : 289 + 15 + 10 = 314
Toyota : 281 + 8 + 6 = 295 (- 19 points)
Citroën : 216 + 28 + 15 = 259 (- 55 points)

[denkimi]

So it looks like neuville is almost out for the title. Lets hope ogier can close the gap some more so we'll have an epic fight in australia.

[meh]

Tänak : 205 + 0 + 5 = 210
Ogier : 165 + 25 + 3 = 193 (- 17 points)
Neuville : 172 + 4 + 4 = 180 (- 30 points)

Hyundai : 289 + 15 + 10 = 314
Toyota : 281 + 8 + 6 = 295 (- 19 points)
Citroën : 216 + 28 + 15 = 259 (- 55 points)

Visually: https://elarlang.eu/champ2019.html

[meh]

Not a single position was changed today in top9.
https://elarlang.eu/rally_turkey_2019.html

[KKS]

Hah, Ingrassia tap on the presenter shoulder that he wants his trophy too :D

[Zeakiwi2]

When do the fia rally stewards put out their reports at the end of the rally?

When was the last Citroen 1-2?

[Morte66]

Mixed bag of a rally, for my tastes.

On the plus side, it was "tough" which made it different and interesting. I wouldn't want every rally like this, but one is good.

On the minus side, there was a quiet tide of road cleaning under all the "tough rally" stuff, which made it too dominated by running order (like Sardinia which I would like to drop).

Obligatory Meeke fan comment: I wish he'd beaten Latvala, but it was an OK-ish result under the circumstances.

Lappi and Mikkelsen continued to look like they will keep their jobs, which wasn't so clear half a season ago.

[EstWRC]

So it looks like neuville is almost out for the title. Lets hope ogier can close the gap some more so we'll have an epic fight in australia.

everybody said basically the same about Ogier after Germany and look at the standings now.

People tend to predict things very early.

With the two passes of Marmaris power stage Tänak showed IMO how much he had held back so far on this rally.

and interesting comment from him that "We knew the hards wont work for us"

[AnttiL]

Obligatory Meeke fan comment: I wish he'd beaten Latvala, but it was an OK-ish result under the circumstances.

He went off twice, and was lucky to do it in safe places both times.

[stefanvv]

and interesting comment from him that "We knew the hards wont work for us"

Because he wants the PS win and can afford to save the tyres on the stages before?!?

[EstWRC]

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70290035_10156707318235678_887149134488797184_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&cachebreaker=sd&_nc_oc=AQm6iBYwcbIIB2CqMPM2SjkYKA3uXJyx1n95NSYgywn N5-NgwasYrvGAA7gjW8k1Ihc&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=2b1ae8998e98a8100c7c5a5057757ecf&oe=5E0BB5FA

[TWRC]

When do the fia rally stewards put out their reports at the end of the rally?

When was the last Citroen 1-2?
2015 Argentina if I remember well.

[meh]

So it looks like neuville is almost out for the title. Lets hope ogier can close the gap some more so we'll have an epic fight in australia.

1) Neuville is away only 30 points. Yes, his situation is not perfect, but you can not completely eliminate his chances. Tänak was after Argentina 28 points away from lead and was leading 3 rallies later with 4 points.

2) Yes, I'm Estonian and yes, I'm hope Tänak will win. But I don't hope he will win because of bad luck / not-driver-caused technical issues for others. From that perspective I more hope Tänak will get what he deserves - the title.

[mknight]

With the two passes of Marmaris power stage Tänak showed IMO how much he had held back so far on this rally.


More like it showed that saving 4 mediums for most of the loop is faster than driving on 5/6 hards combined with mediums like everyone else did.

I certainly don't believe he was consistently posting 5+ stage times through friday and first stage on saturday just because he was holding back.

Toyota got better than last year, but still
seemed like the slowest car here.

[Rallyper]

Surprised over the lack of comments after Rally Turkey finish...

Maybe rally ended like most of us wanted?

(Not that I wanted Tanak out the way it happened)

[Rallyper]

Looked at Fantasy WRC. Point scoring system must be way wrong in my opinion.

Tidemand almost scored as much points as Tanak. Anyone?

[AnttiL]

Every stage position in top 15 (top 10 on short stages) gives points. Tidemand drove almost all stages in top 10. Tänak skipped five stages and was outside top 15 on two on Sunday.

One thing I dislike about their system is the driver pricing - car has no effect on the value. This way Østberg in the R5 could more expensive than Tidemand in the WRC car.

[CWJ]

http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2.8-Stewards-Communication-No.-2.pdf

Lappi still in PF ?

[wrc2017]

everybody said basically the same about Ogier after Germany and look at the standings now.

People tend to predict things very early.

With the two passes of Marmaris power stage Tänak showed IMO how much he had held back so far on this rally.

and interesting comment from him that "We knew the hards wont work for us"
Tanak was not holding back. Did u not listen to tanak on Friday... He said he was maximum. Tanak was only one today who saved tyres and had Zero to lose. None of the Toyotas were competitive.. Full stop

[meh]

Surprised over the lack of comments after Rally Turkey finish...

Maybe rally ended like most of us wanted?

(Not that I wanted Tanak out the way it happened)

Not as wanted but the excitement was gone long time ago. Today there wasn't any position change. Only potential one (without puncture or technical issue) was between Mikkelsen and Suninen, but trend was clearly supporting Mikkelsen and it was clear after first stage in the morning that it will be really-really boring next 2 stages.

Even powerstage was boring - because it was clear, that Tänak-Ogier-Neuville will be 1-2-3, and only question was, in which order. Others basically weren't allowed to fight for PS points.

[EstWRC]

well everybody is entitled to their own opinion and i didnt mean with that he would have had exactly the same pace as today on PS stage

Latvala saying they made the wrong choices in the test https://translate.google.ee/translate?hl=et&tab=wT&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallit.fi%2Ftoyotan-wrc-tiimille-kovaa-oppia-teimme-vaaria-valintoja%2F

[Tarmop]

Tanak was not holding back. Did u not listen to tanak on Friday... He said he was maximum. Tanak was only one today who saved tyres and had Zero to lose. None of the Toyotas were competitive.. Full stop

Actually all the Toyota`s managed to grab a stage win...for sure Tänak wasn`t on full max. attack the days before. Yes, he wouldn`t have been as fast, as he was today with a light car+ slow driving, but definitely he was already taking care of the car before, trying to manage something in Top5 and hoping for others to have problems.

[Katvala]

Surprised over the lack of comments after Rally Turkey finish...

Maybe rally ended like most of us wanted?

(Not that I wanted Tanak out the way it happened)It just wasn't a very eventful Sunday. No battles, slow cruising for some, top three in championship the fastest in PS

Not much to talk about really, compared to fri-sun. Except for that the championship is tightened again

Also, this power stage was really bad imo in terms of commentary. I've already stated before that I much rather prefer the all live stages compared to the live TV ones. However this one especially, John going on and on about uninteresting things without meaning. I quickly started filtering out the chatter and just watched, with the commentary mostly as background noise

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

Greensmith https://twitter.com/Krisse_Sohlberg/status/1173304073904431104?s=20

[KKS]

Surprised over the lack of comments after Rally Turkey finish...

Maybe rally ended like most of us wanted?

(Not that I wanted Tanak out the way it happened)
It's French fest in Turkey. So I leave them alone with they victories.
Nearly zero competition in WRC2 too, only Gus and Kajto bring some action at the end. If this rally will dropped - noone care. Wait for Wales already. :)

[cali]

Tänak driving without spares and saving tyre through the whole Sunday's loop did not show their speed at a least bit. They created clear advantage for themselves.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk

[KKS]

Greensmith https://twitter.com/Krisse_Sohlberg/status/1173304073904431104?s=20
That Mk2 - is a tractor!!!

PS Spects: rope? help? No didn't hear about this. Drop this rally away!

[EstWRC]

it was Toyota 1-2-3 in Germany
Citroen 1-2 in Turkey

M-sport 1-2 in Wales ? or Hyundai?

[KKS]

it was Toyota 1-2-3 in Germany
Citroen 1-2 in Turkey

M-sport 1-2 in Wales ? or Hyundai?
Why M-Sport only 1-2? Do you not believe in Pontus? :D

[T16]

Greensmith https://twitter.com/Krisse_Sohlberg/status/1173304073904431104?s=20
Will he get a penalty as he drove off without the nav having his seatbelts done up?

[AnttiL]

Will he get a penalty as he drove off without the nav having his seatbelts done up?

It was after the finish line...

They got fined though for speeding on the road section http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/3.18-COC-Decision-No.-7.pdf

[T16]

It was after the finish line...

They got fined though for speeding on the road section http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/3.18-COC-Decision-No.-7.pdf

Ah, of course!

[doubled1978]

Tänak : 205 + 0 + 5 = 210
Ogier : 165 + 25 + 3 = 193 (- 17 points)
Neuville : 172 + 4 + 4 = 180 (- 30 points)

Hyundai : 289 + 15 + 10 = 314
Toyota : 281 + 8 + 6 = 295 (- 19 points)
Citroën : 216 + 28 + 15 = 259 (- 55 points)

Surprising how close Citroen are in Manufacture points.....especially given apart from the three 2nd places Lappi has hardly scored any points.

[T16]

Whoever posted the idea about having a ‘power Sunday’ earlier... superb idea.
I can’t think of a reason it wouldn’t be more beneficial than the current format.
They read a tweet out on the WRC studio show and it suggested the same thing, so I’m assuming it was the same person.
Makes me wonder if the WRC will pick up on it and consider it.
If so, massive pat on the back to you, cracking idea!

[PLuto]

Greensmith https://twitter.com/Krisse_Sohlberg/status/1173304073904431104?s=20

Codriver without helmet...

[PLuto]

It was after the finish line...

They got fined though for speeding on the road section http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/3.18-COC-Decision-No.-7.pdf

Until you stop your rally car in STOP point, you must wear your helmet. It is funny that they are giving stupid cash penalties for "wearing balaclava not corrently" and with more serious "helmet off" they do nothing...

[Katvala]

Whoever posted the idea about having a ‘power Sunday’ earlier... superb idea.
I can’t think of a reason it wouldn’t be more beneficial than the current format.
They read a tweet out on the WRC studio show and it suggested the same thing, so I’m assuming it was the same person.
Makes me wonder if the WRC will pick up on it and consider it.
If so, massive pat on the back to you, cracking idea!Agree. Sundays are usually very short anyway, and the stage km could often fit into a single stage really. So power Sunday is a good idea

Sent from my F8331 using Tapatalk

[doubled1978]

Whoever posted the idea about having a ‘power Sunday’ earlier... superb idea.
I can’t think of a reason it wouldn’t be more beneficial than the current format.
They read a tweet out on the WRC studio show and it suggested the same thing, so I’m assuming it was the same person.
Makes me wonder if the WRC will pick up on it and consider it.
If so, massive pat on the back to you, cracking idea!

I heard it and thought the same, for us Rally fans in the sport it would be great.
The downside from promoter point of view is that the ‘live’ TV stage they sell to broadcasters wouldn’t in itself count for points as it does now, and you would have to show the cumulative leg time alongside the stage time, and the overall time....

[OHL]

Will he get a penalty as he drove off without the nav having his seatbelts done up?
Doubt it. They were past the flying finish and clear of the stage.

[T16]

I heard it and thought the same, for us Rally fans in the sport it would be great.
The downside from promoter point of view is that the ‘live’ TV stage they sell to broadcasters wouldn’t in itself count for points as it does now, and you would have to show the cumulative leg time alongside the stage time, and the overall time....

They could show it online up until the final stage. Chances are, they’ll still all be flat out for the points on the final stage still, with it being such a short day.

[dimviii]

It was after the finish line...

They got fined though for speeding on the road section http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/3.18-COC-Decision-No.-7.pdf

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_09_2019/post-177-0-35869600-1568577591.jpg

[Mise]

Whoever posted the idea about having a ‘power Sunday’ earlier... superb idea.
I can’t think of a reason it wouldn’t be more beneficial than the current format.
They read a tweet out on the WRC studio show and it suggested the same thing, so I’m assuming it was the same person.
Makes me wonder if the WRC will pick up on it and consider it.
If so, massive pat on the back to you, cracking idea!

Wasn't me in twitter, but was me in here :D

page 65 #648

[meh]

"Power-Sunday" is interesting idea, I just wonder, what kind of team-tactics it opens.

For example - you can play a lot of points to your no. 1 in team forcing others to be slower. Like it was on the powerstage - only top3 were fighting for the win there. It may end up to be worse than it was at the moment. It easier to play tactics over day then over 1 stage.

[AnttiL]

Press conf

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-s-ogier-victory-was-much-needed-championship-fight