[WRC] Neste Rally Finland 1st-4th August 2019

[KKS]

According to ewrc Lindholm's Polo suffered another suspension failure after jump (likely similar to Veiby in Portugal or Sardinia - I don't remember where it was):
https://i.imgur.com/88FpVjN.jpg
At least that VW didn't caught fire after jump)

[KKS]

Whatta day!!
We started from Päijälä1 "Veibys place" and Markkanen rolled heavily. Then moved 500m towards start and watched vetomies and got one rolled(Teppo)
Then to Pihlajakoski2 and almost saw Pajari rolled.
Then to Leustu2 and we saw Loubet way too much entering to corner (almost 50kmh too much speed) and it took over 6minutes to get him back to road.
Very much auction but also wrc guys speed is amazing!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190803/bd70d0879717a3c5a52a896b41c71c27.jpg
How bad damaged Loubet car was?
This off ruined nearly perfect weekend for him :( I' gutted

[erikli2]

The huge crash of Raul Badiu (JWRC) caught on video:

https://twitter.com/alekslesk/status/1157722190860734466?s=20

[HarriK]

How bad damaged Loubet car was?
This off ruined nearly perfect weekend for him :( I' gutted

He used hand brake and took high speed off backwards. Only rear hatch was broken but when we got car off from tree stumb he accelerated back to road and broke front bumper. Nothing serious I think so. He and co-driver were out of car and we told him that we try to get him back and we did it!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190803/2ecc3ba4b7b2aec2d2269aee82bced47.jpg

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC/status/1157725104769515520
all you need to know about JML todays unperforming. All right except last 3 words)

[mknight]

Saturday highlights are up, interesting things:
- Lappi cutting trough the bushes, think that's SS12
- Breen moment on SS13 onboard, same as the one shown from the outside on michelin vid
- Latvala moment on SS12 almost jumping off the road

- Neuvilles Novikov moment from the outside
- Mikkelsen evading a rock in the line in quite high speed on SS16

- Katsuta ripping off his wheel like 10 meters from the startline in first corner

What was missing was how Neuville damaged his suspension.

[lnvs]

What was missing was how Neuville damaged his suspension.https://youtu.be/LX1AQPHi6nM?t=18 probably here. 3:27 in the Kakaristo2 onboard.

[mknight]

Looks like it, can't see what he hits though (tree/bank/stone?), seems it could have ended much worse.

On the onboard he actually has a touch on the inside first.

[rage82]

Really like the idea of having guests in the all live studio between the stages. Yesterday they had Malcolm Wilson talking about his 40 years in the Motorsport and also Peter Solberg and Oliver. Today Marcus Gronholm and Mads Ostberg were there and what a legend is Marcus. Really interesting stories especially from his days in Peugeot and the 307 experience.

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[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/eBR0m9AU8So

[steve.mandzij]

Really like the idea of having guests in the all live studio between the stages. Yesterday they had Malcolm Wilson talking about his 40 years in the Motorsport and also Peter Solberg and Oliver. Today Marcus Gronholm and Mads Ostberg were there and what a legend is Marcus. Really interesting stories especially from his days in Peugeot and the 307 experience.

Sent from my Redmi Note 5 using TapatalkAnything you remember he said about the 307 which was particularly interesting? :)

[HarriK]

Looks like it, can't see what he hits though (tree/bank/stone?), seems it could have ended much worse.

On the onboard he actually has a touch on the inside first.

Where is incar?

[KKS]

Nothing serious I think so. He and co-driver were out of car and we told him that we try to get him back and we did it!
Good job mate!!!

[mknight]

Where is incar?

Only on WRC+, 3:27 as lnvs says.

[mknight]

Katsuta saying he hit the counterweight on a gate just behind the sign that marks the start of the stage:
https://twitter.com/TakamotoKatsuta/status/1157738938079109120

[over jump]

SS12 Pihlajakoski start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1edw25dOFU

SS14 Kakaristo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IYCiaBYiI

SS17 Päijälä:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIrPM8AOOs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can anyone point me in the direction of the TV highlights in the UK tonight please?

I don't have BT sport.

Thanks in advance.

Only BT Sport shows nightly highlights on TV in the UK.

WRC+ has them here: https://plus.wrc.com/en/highlights/all/1452/saturday-highlights-neste-rally-finland-2019/

[svstock]

Redbull.tv showing highlights every night + 1 stage live on Saturday and Power Stage replay on Sunday night.
Replays available https://www.redbull.com/my-en/events/AP-1XV2THADW1W11

#ralli-tekst-otse
https://discord.gg/yVqYv2q

[dimviii]

Latvala

https://twitter.com/MagnusSafstrom/status/1157768306394390528

Neuville from another angle
https://twitter.com/PeepPahv/status/1157715500056662016

[dimviii]

Emil Lindholm
����
"Vähän nyt vastustaa. Leustussa hypyn alastulossa osuma kiveen ja pyörän ripustus petti. Eiköhän huomenna taas jatketa."

����
"More bad luck in Leustu. After the jump, the wheel hit a rock and the suspension broken. Tomorrow we will continue again."

[dimviii]

Meeke
https://www.facebook.com/732093453589496/posts/1419531448179023?s=628303708&sfns=mo

[erikli2]

I saw a photo from the onboard video that the organizers record months before the rally starts, and the rock that took out Meeke was laying there even then. Strange that neither Meeke or Larvala had it in their notes.

[robertr]

The Tweet you are referring to, just in case if anyone hasn't seen it:
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1157672111839821824?s=19

[KKS]

I saw a photo from the onboard video that the organizers record months before the rally starts, and the rock that took out Meeke was laying there even then. Strange that neither Meeke or Larvala had it in their notes.
They not have so detailed notes in WRC. I will be wounder if someone in WRC have it. Problem was that Latvala and Meeke push so much and go over a limit many times. And in one of this occasions - rock laying on his racing line. It happens when you push. As we see same corner, same rock - different result for JML and Meeke

[mknight]

The rock was in the ditch. For example on Latvala's case he clearly did a mistanke in the corner before and had to correct which put him wide in the ditch. Meeke just seemed too fast.

[KKS]

Latvala

https://twitter.com/MagnusSafstrom/status/1157768306394390528


drop a wheel and nothing happen...

[mknight]

Mikkelsen dropped to neutral for some reason in the last hairpin which led to the timeloss.

[TypeR]

Tänak's 200th stage win in WRC

[KKS]

Quite strange why Tanak push this morning, he had a comfortable lead, despite Latvala who can push more when he allowed to battle with Lappi

[EstWRC]

He didn’t push...

[TypeR]

He didn’t push...

+ Latvala isn't chasing Lappi, his aim is to secure the 3rd place and manu points

[KKS]

+ Latvala isn't chasing Lappi, his aim is to secure the 3rd place and manu points
After morning Latvala chat with Tommi I don't know exactly what will be Toyota objective for this morning

[rage82]

Anything you remember he said about the 307 which was particularly interesting? :)When he said "I'm fed up with this car", he knows that this is bad for marketing but despite this he said it. After that he has to go to Paris for a lecture from the big bosses to not talk like that about the car and he said OK. It was interesting when he explains it in his own way.

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[Portimao]

Greensmith is off

[KKS]

It's starts a bit of tradition for Gus at WRC on a power stage roads :/

[KKS]

Radstrom craashed on last split in JWRC?

[erikli2]

Radstrom craashed on last split in JWRC?

Retired with broken radiator

[mknight]

that was seriously weird

[Mise]

Meeke off again

[TypeR]

shouldn't have cut so much

[Portimao]

I hope it's the last rally for Meeke. Time to say goodbye.

[mknight]

This didn't really look like his mistake tbh.

[TypeR]

I hope it's the last rally for Meeke. Time to say goodbye.
if he was in Hyundai under Adamo, plane tickets to GB would be waiting on the table

[KKS]

Seems like Meeke hit cutted pine-tree or fallen long time ago.

[meh]

Meeke didn't his job again. Potentially he could steal some points from Neuville and Ogier from PowerStage.

[sindroms]

Meeke off again

300 meters after our spot, will see it when we will pass back to our parked car.

[Päss1928]

He just cut too much into the unknown grass and hit some rock or tree stump, no reason to cut that much in there. Thanks for help once again Kris.

[meh]

... and interesting view from Toyota box. There was sitting Märtin with Mäkinen. Märtin is helping Tänak with negotiation for new contract.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke clearly cut too much there. No need at all when he's only running for the PS today.

[Fredouye]

20" penalty for Breen, late at TC.

Neuville moves ahead.

[GigiGalliNo1]

That’s what he’s there for!

So hypothetically what position could Breen have finished in?

[mknight]

20" penalty for Breen, late at TC.

Neuville moves ahead.

Reason they did this now is to get him to start the PS ahead of Neuville. With Greensmith and Meeke out he'd be 2nd WRC on the road otherwise.

Don't think it matters much tbh, but last year Suninen took a penalty so that Ogier doesn't start 5th but 6th instead...

[Eli]

That’s what he’s there for!

So hypothetically what position could Breen have finished in?

6th...don't think he would have caught Mikkelsen, as he said the experience gives Andreas the edge.

[Thousandlakes]

Forexample Suninen had dont cut in Meekes corner. He went definetely to deep there. Feel sorry and looks like Toyota seat is bit farer for next year.

[dimviii]

At the moment bigest fan of Ogier must be Neuville. If Seb passes Mikkelsen, Thierry could climb up two places closer to Tanak by team strategy. #WRCLive
Planetemarcus
@planetemarcus
·
1h
no need Ogier beat Mikkelsen
.. for the moment
Ogier 10pts
Neuville 6pts
--------------
if strategy then
Ogier 12pts
Neuville 10pts

[krissucool]

At the moment bigest fan of Ogier must be Neuville. If Seb passes Mikkelsen, Thierry could climb up two places closer to Tanak by team strategy. #WRCLive
Planetemarcus
@planetemarcus
·
1h
no need Ogier beat Mikkelsen
.. for the moment
Ogier 10pts
Neuville 6pts
--------------
if strategy then
Ogier 12pts
Neuville 10pts

Wtf is this planetmarcus thinking. He beats Neuville by 2 points this way but also loses to Tänak by 2 more points. One has to assume at this point Tänak is his biggest challenger for the title.

[GravelBen]

no need Ogier beat Mikkelsen
.. for the moment
Ogier 10pts
Neuville 6pts
--------------
if strategy then
Ogier 12pts
Neuville 10pts

But neither of them will want to lose more points against Tanak than they have to?

[mknight]

At the moment bigest fan of Ogier must be Neuville. If Seb passes Mikkelsen, Thierry could climb up two places closer to Tanak by team strategy. #WRCLive
Planetemarcus
@planetemarcus
·
1h
no need Ogier beat Mikkelsen
.. for the moment
Ogier 10pts
Neuville 6pts
--------------
if strategy then
Ogier 12pts
Neuville 10pts

This doesn't look right,
atm it's Ogier 10, Neuville 8
with switch and teamorders it would be Ogier 12, Neuville 10.

[Mirek]

This doesn't look right,
atm it's Ogier 10, Neuville 8
with switch and teamorders it would be Ogier 12, Neuville 10.

Because half of the strategy was already applied (Breen's penalty). The quoted twitter posts is probably older than that.

[dimviii]

This doesn't look right,
atm it's Ogier 10, Neuville 8
with switch and teamorders it would be Ogier 12, Neuville 10.

and closer to Tanak

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBHYZrnXUAA2bdB?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBHUkOZW4AAPLri?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBHYxPnXYAAOL-O?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen was only here as an insurance if one of the other team-mates didnt finish. And he's already proven his pace, so there's no issue with him dropping a place.

The good thing for me is Lappi holding his 2nd place. He really wouldnt have deserved to have had to drop that to help Ogier.

[smwrc1]

Greensmith crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2yYqw-vyrg

[dimviii]

Andreas Mikkelsen
@AMikkelsenRally

#RallyFinland SS23 Ruuhimäki 2 Power Stage
Start order
Loubet
Kristoffersson
Huttunen
Gryazin
Camilli
Rovanperä
Suninen
Breen
Neuville
Ogier
#Mikkelsen
Latvala
Lappi
Tanak

[krissucool]

Kris Meeke - bloody hell, how stupid can you be. 40 years old, getting sacked last year for exactly this kind of stupid shit and just keeps going like that. Nobody else to blame but himself.

[Katvala]

Started this year appearing all cool and confident with high hopes. Now half a season in, he hasn't proved any change except for his offs to be less dramatical compared to in the Citroën

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[Mirek]

This helicopter video from half a kilometer distance is nicely showing the Finnish nature but not much more...

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-157-0-96475200-1564914350.jpg

[Eli]

So I guess it's Tanak for the win...the question is can Ogier defend his title this year or....well just Ogier, don't think IMHO Neuville can stop either of them...

[Katvala]

We will see, it's been an interesting and close year. When one driver is pulling away, next rally they have a bad one and the other catches up.

I would not bet on Neuville however, I think the title will be between Tänak and Ogier. Tänak is who I'd bet on, depending on how many problems the Toyota will give

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[Mirek]

Spectacular drive from Kristoffersson :) The Polo looks ridiculously soft but it works obviously.

Where is Camilli?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pity no Ouninpohja jump anymore. This one coming right at the end of the stage isnt that special with no corner to follow.

[Mirek]

Gryazin finishing ahead of Huttunen is maybe a bit surprising. I think it's first time in Rally Finland for Gryazin?

Camilli seem to start three positions later than he should have done. Also very cautios on the jumps. Is it him or the issues Suninen had in Estonia are not solved?

[dimviii]

Gryazin finishing ahead of Huttunen is maybe a bit surprising. I think it's first time in Rally Finland for Gryazin?

.
yeap

[Got Mail]

Gryazin finishing ahead of Huttunen is maybe a bit surprising. I think it's first time in Rally Finland for Gryazin?



Yes - first time.

[Mirek]

Well done Kalle! Not easy to be a favorite to win and actually do that witout any mistake.

[TypeR]

quite heavy landing on nose for Kalle

[Jeppe]

Hat's off for Kalle and Jonne!!! Great driving through out the weekend. :)

Also good performances from Nikolay/Jaroslav and Jari/Mikko.

[Mirek]

quite heavy landing on nose for Kalle

I think he did that by applying brakes in not the most convenient moment.

[Allez Andruet]

Gryazin finishing ahead of Huttunen is maybe a bit surprising.

I don't think so. That Hyundai R5 is just so shite that you can't compete against guys like Gryazin with it. And that's not to take anything away from Gryazin.

[TypeR]

Neuville airlines, almost 60m jump :D

[Mirek]

Neuville just flew behind the measurement banners :D

[GravelBen]

Neuville airlines, almost 60m jump :D

Nice of him to fill in for Mads :D

[Katvala]

Ogier went even wilder, wow

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[TypeR]

Ogiers landing could have been really bad

[GravelBen]

Ogier went even wilder, wow

Had to go one up! :eek:

[Mirek]

Freddie was complaining that the jump is not interesting enough :)

[Katvala]

Crossing my fingers that Latvala doesn't go off on this one..

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mad jump by Ogier... but no corner to follow.

[lnvs]

This helicopter video from half a kilometer distance is nicely showing the Finnish nature but not much more...For next year they need to cut forest from other side of the road and dig canyon. Then helicopter can get Rally Azores type of footage. :rolleyes:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great drive Lappi, brilliant result !

[Mirek]

For next year they need to cut forest from other side of the road and dig canyon. Then helicopter can get Rally Azores type of footage. :rolleyes:

They don't need to fly that far away from the cars. They did much better in the last part of the stage and with the other drivers but nearly all Loubet's drive was with the car being not visible behind the trees or being five pixels large.

[Mirek]

Congrats to Tänak! Great rally as always!

[Morte66]

They don't need to fly that far away from the cars. They did much better in the last part of the stage and with the other drivers but nearly all Loubet's drive was with the car being not visible behind the trees or being five pixels large.

I wonder is there a noise/wind issue with the helicopter flying low near houses?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Never in doubt. Tanak and the Toyota in a different class to Ogier and Neuville here.

[Morte66]

Well, I'm gutted (Meeke fan).

Tanak was terrific. Lappi can be happy, and Mikkelsen. Latvala should be relieved. Breen did his job, can hope for more work. Disappointing but not terrible for Neuville and Suuuninen.

[KKS]

Martin in Toyota HQ
Georg Gross at stage-end
A huge support from 'right' people for Tanak this week-end
Good job done from Tanak, and I think thats will help to add more 0000 euros to Tanak contract with Toyota

[dimviii]

Tanak : 150 + 25 + 5 : 180
Ogier : 146 + 10 + 2 : 158
Neuville : 143 + 8 + 4 : 155

[meh]

Tanak : 150 + 25 + 5 : 180
Ogier : 146 + 10 + 2 : 158
Neuville : 143 + 8 + 4 : 155

Hopefully it stays like this. No Mikkelsen drop for give more points for Neuville against Tänak.

[dimviii]

Ogier jump fron another angle

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/status/1157976088557043713

[mknight]

The helicopter altitude can be due to airspace deconflicting issues.

Many times this weekend you could see up to 10 helicopters on the ground often taking off and landing below the allive one.

[dimviii]

full points table,stage winners for drivers/manufacturers etc
http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/

[stefanvv]

Ogiers landing could have been really bad

That really shows how bad aerodynamically C3 is designed at front.

[KKS]

Loubet place where he crash yesterday... huge scurb! Welldone who bring back him to the road!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBHhQCVXoAA6T6F?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBHhSolWkAA3oGt?format=jpg&name=small

[KKS]

Love it
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1157943854869417985

[RS]

That really shows how bad aerodynamically C3 is designed at front.

Lappi flew nicely.

[stefanvv]

Lappi flew nicely.

so did Ogier 1st pass, just less

[Indreq]

Is it only me or are those studio sequences in wrc+ sometimes cut mid-sentence, when timeslot is over? Now wrap up too. Dont they know their own timeslots? And how difficult would it be to just stretch them, its not like they have to accommodate other programs like on regular tv? Or is it only issue when looking afterwards like i did just now and in real-time it is shown until they run out things to talk about?

[Kradovech]

Is it only me or are those studio sequences in wrc+ sometimes cut mid-sentence, when timeslot is over? Now wrap up too. Dont they know their own timeslots? And how difficult would it be to just stretch them, its not like they have to accommodate other programs like on regular tv? Or is it only issue when looking afterwards like i did just now and in real-time it is shown until they run out things to talk about?

When live, they usually wrap up. I think this might be because sometimes studio starts earlier, so it gets recorded in to the end of the stage. When the time ticks to the planned SS end, the recording ends and a new one starts. You then have to click STUDIO below the video to have it continue. Can be quite annoying.

[KKS]

Or is it only issue when looking afterwards like i did just now and in real-time it is shown until they run out things to talk about?
yep. If you watch all day in replay it same as live - full, without cuts

[dimviii]

Neuville from another angle
https://twitter.com/WorldRallyFans/status/1157981867259432960

[Morte66]

Neuville from another angle
https://twitter.com/WorldRallyFans/status/1157981867259432960

Is anybody publishing "official" distances for this?

[dimviii]

ziggysony video
https://youtu.be/WSKhbOE0wKs

[mknight]

Interesting symmetry from last year:

1.Tanak, Toyota both years
2. Citroen Lappi, Østberg last year
3. JML Toyota, both
4. Hyundai, Mikkelsen, Paddon last year
5. Ogier, Citroen, Fiesta last year

[TypeR]

Interesting symmetry from last year:

1.Tanak, Toyota both years
2. Citroen Lappi, Østberg last year
3. JML Toyota, both
4. Hyundai, Mikkelsen, Paddon last year
5. Ogier, Citroen, Fiesta last year

and Meeke 2018 DNS, 2019 DNF :D

[robertr]

Drivers' championship after Finland 2018 vs Finland 2019. Have to keep in mind that this year there was also Chile in calendar.
1812
1813

Driver/Points/Position (+ means improvement)
Neuville: +2/-2
Ogier: +26/0
Tänak: +73/+2
Lappi : -12/-4
Sordo: -8/-5
Mikkelsen +14/+1
Latvala: +1/-2
Evans: +26/+4
Ostberg: -/-
Meeke: +17/+3
...
Suninen: +34/+7

Judge by yourself who have been the winners and losers of the current season.

PS: If we assume that the final 5 rallies will play out exactly as last year, then by the end of the season results will be as following:
Tänak 254 pts
Ogier 245 pts
Neuville 203 pts

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBIFhGBXoAEbOmM.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBIFhGJWwAA6Pz-.jpg

[dimviii]

"It's not a positive weekend because we lose 18 points on Tanak, we hope of course that the next events will be different, but I'm not worried about the performance, the trend has been pretty clear for a few time What more can I do? Maybe I'm getting older I'm not the type to say that it's not my fault when I do not win The Ogier-Citroën package is not up to date In five races, it's hard to turn the tide, I'm not bitter, I'm glad the weekend is over and we're going home, let's wait for Germany. I'm always optimistic about my chances of a title, "explained Ogier at our microphone.

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_ogier-le-package-ogier-citroen-n-est-pas-a-niveau-pour-le-moment?id=10285660

[dimviii]

1151/5000
"We know that the weekend was difficult, but I do not think we took a shot at morale.We started with a bad special, but we quickly found the pace.We had to make a lot of adjustments during the test, we feel that our tests were not very good, after that we were very present, unfortunately we lost a little bit of time because of the sweeping, we optimized our position on the road, we We did what we could, in the end, the gap with Ogier did not move.There was just Tanak who made a great rally.It must be said, he had by far the best car this weekend. 1st, 2nd and 3rd Friday Even if we call God, we can not resist, we can be happy with the 12 points this weekend, "Neuville detailed at our microphone after the event.

"We gave everything here, we always give everything we have, but sometimes we can not excel, I keep my spirits up, there are good rallies to come and others where the sweep will be more annoying for the first car on the road.The Toyota is not the most reliable, we count on it too, "added the Belgian.

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-meme-si-on-s-appelle-dieu-on-ne-sait-pas-resister-a-toyota?id=10285615

[dimviii]

lol

Fake rally car crashed on EC tracks in Jyväskylä - police suspect drug duo
Yesterday at 1:45 pm
Police are investigating men's actions for aggravated endangerment of road safety and drug abuse.

https://www.iltalehti.fi/ralli/a/3fbbd32e-426b-441a-b30d-58e7f2919ace

[AnttiL]

Did not crash. They have just driven on the stage routes - not on live stages - and filmed that. Crazy people...

[mknight]

Think one of the reasons Hyundai didn't switch 2 manu points for 2 driver points by dropping Mikkelsen after PS is that they clearly have better chance for manu title than driver one.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/neste_rally_finland_2019/hfr_dsc_3428.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/neste_rally_finland_2019/hfr_dsc_3430.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/neste_rally_finland_2019/hfr_dsc_3421.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/neste_rally_finland_2019/hfr_dsc_3267.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/54468-neste-rally-finland-2019/515/

[KKSF]

Jumping all the time, Greensmith and Meeke close calls on shakedown.
KKSF HD video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bDEV9yb4Zw

[AnttiL]

Mad jump by Ogier... but no corner to follow.

There is no corner after the real yellow house jump. It’s the infamous fast section where Gronholm kept the throttle down for 46 seconds. Also thanks to this super fast section ( and another one) the long Ouninpohja is not driven anymore.

[Katvala]

Well, it's at least better than having Haybale chicanes everywhere

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[Ucci]

Never in doubt. Tanak and the Toyota in a different class to Ogier and Neuville here.
Not just here, you don't need to be a nuclear physicist to realize, that Yaris is ''from another planet'' compare to other cars…..that's why my hero of the weekend is Lappi who manage to bring this piece of French crap on the podium….

[trykmann]

Not just here, you don't need to be a nuclear physicist to realize, that Yaris is ''from another planet'' compare to other cars…..that's why my hero of the weekend is Lappi who manage to bring this piece of French crap on the podium….

With this kind of comments I just hope Tänak well be in M-Sport next year. Then we can see, if it was the car or the driver.

[HarriK]

Loubet place where he crash yesterday... huge scurb! Welldone who bring back him to the road!

AND VIDEO
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T6euwfC8iiA&feature=youtu.be

[Morte66]

Finnish fans, best fans

[deephouse]

With this kind of comments I just hope Tänak well be in M-Sport next year. Then we can see, if it was the car or the driver.

What proof do you need that is the driver? He would be in contention for title if he would be considered like Ogier in M-Sport in FIESTA! He is superior and thank god that we have another dude to spice up championship. Shame that Latvala, Meeke and Mikkelsen are not there too. Then it would be even more interesting to watch.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAUJw8eQ1tM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg0JxG90RIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCSpNRIZznI

[SubaruNorway]

Here's my video from Rally Finland, struggling with the dust again this year so just imagine how good some of these places could have been with some damp gravel. Got some impressive fast stuff though, hope you enjoy!
https://youtu.be/vP9QpcqzSns

[Portimao]

Here's my video from Rally Finland, struggling with the dust again this year so just imagine how good some of these places could have been with some damp gravel. Got some impressive fast stuff though, hope you enjoy!
https://youtu.be/vP9QpcqzSns

Really great shots!

[satukata]

Podium ceremony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0jLIyJ2c&t=7s

[NielsH]

What a great event! Had so much fun the last few days. Got a few pics on my website https://www.rally-photo.net/2019-rally-finland-wrc/

https://www.rally-photo.net/wp-content/gallery/2019-rally-finland-wrc/IMG_2120a.JPG

https://www.rally-photo.net/wp-content/gallery/2019-rally-finland-wrc/IMG_2459a.JPG

https://www.rally-photo.net/wp-content/gallery/2019-rally-finland-wrc/IMG_0932a.JPG

[EstWRC]

Wow :eek:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBM3tTWXsAESpT_?format=png&name=small


https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-get-lead-i-had-push-really-limit

[Franky]

Finnish humour ;)

[mknight]

They should have asked Tommi what he thought about Meeke crashing out the second time on a stage where he just needed to drive trough to get to the PS where he could take points off Ogier/Neuville.

Cause as he says the first crash can happen, but it's the second crash that might get Meeke kicked, just like the "second mistake" on PS in Portugal after already loosing 2nd place with the spin. Similarly what got him kicked from Citroen was crashing out when minutes behind due to punctures and not in a fight with anybody.

[trykmann]

What proof do you need that is the driver? He would be in contention for title if he would be considered like Ogier in M-Sport in FIESTA! He is superior and thank god that we have another dude to spice up championship. Shame that Latvala, Meeke and Mikkelsen are not there too. Then it would be even more interesting to watch.

I am a Tänak fan and also believe the car is not driving itself. Just many people have the opinion like the car is from another planet and anyone in the Yaris could be this quick.

While driving in M-sport together with Ogier, then also the cars were different. For example Ogiers car recieved new updates, while Tänak had to drive without them, because the budget didn't allow to imply them to both cars.

[mknight]

Sure the car is not driving itself, but first passes in Finland were Toyota 1-2-3 both Friday and Saturday.

On Saturday morning you had Toyota 1-2-3 within 1s, then Lappi 6s behind and then the rest. Tänaks teammates couldn't keep that pace without issues though.

Off course it's not only the car and Tänak would likely be able to fight for wins also in others cars, like he has done in Fiesta, but it would have been much closer.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68639066_10157378722439868_1650497026376335360_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQlQ9PPi15iv-N9VBrN5wbbM5j5mqeN3lwuREhJ8inNh7xXWcFKAh3VJWwrCdx9 gbSI&_nc_ht=scontent-cdt1-1.xx&oh=f3e00d934efd2c80f1af97169f63f718&oe=5DD7F275

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any more opinions on that big jump at the end of the PS ? I've read a lot of criticism on social media from serious rally people and journos. Some just because its completely artificial (and with a big 'runway'), and others think it dangerous to spectators if a jump went wrong.

[AnttiL]

Any more opinions on that big jump at the end of the PS ? I've read a lot of criticism on social media from serious rally people and journos. Some just because its completely artificial (and with a big 'runway'), and others think it dangerous to spectators if a jump went wrong.

Far from completely artificial. The terrain had a natural crest, all the did was modify it to resemble more the Ouninpohja yellow house crest and build a road over it. If you want something completely artificial, look at the Great Orme or Guanajuato ramp jumps.

[Devillersvideo]

My video of this great Rally Finland 2019 :D

http://youtu.be/sAUJw8eQ1tM

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[T16]

Any more opinions on that big jump at the end of the PS ? I've read a lot of criticism on social media from serious rally people and journos. Some just because its completely artificial (and with a big 'runway'), and others think it dangerous to spectators if a jump went wrong.

Did you notice the guy running away from the car (photographer, I think) when Ogier jumped?
It's sick that someone let anyone get that close to the potential trajectory in the first place. Mouton needs to go.

[tommeke_B]

Also back from Rally Finland. Hard to find the words to describe how amazing this event was, it's probably the most spectacular rally I've ever seen! Seen a lot of stages, walked a lot and found amazing places to watch, for every single stage.

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67781297_3279248322087031_2669191800731729920_o.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQkEd2l-l7I7AcZt4TOUCrO2suamuMrEm1lSPGQO6dup4yyE3Dbv40cMdq nTfxZedUQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=3112351e001f441cd2930776c65daf8e&oe=5DA24B8B

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68343489_3279247548753775_7399044356725800960_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQkNOv3LM-lMbKFxlRtoN1nj4zSSKxjh5LVIQfSQ9soCZhHr0IJkBd1TivzU tOHJ8zY&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=b94cb7f516d2a85cef25d5b083a17609&oe=5DD7BA4F

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67899258_3279249765420220_3302655148534267904_o.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQmiALEvuAbIwJSpQvQ2nGRUabikW6f-lujbvY0xSeSBgaxUHJ4hAnE8r9OvAE_vdZw&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=1cc03a21b862e1125189ef1174a1eb90&oe=5DA1D494

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67749585_3279249198753610_1083959667161300992_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQlQ6Ffa6looi43vFc_St2XdAbL2Z8BCTP-0IS9b6SvyCicI76y2y-JmSnvvLfSZN0E&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=6114f9b4da80fb4213fe261be0c0b3fa&oe=5DEEBDFD

https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67502410_3279248145420382_7246353111097278464_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQl7YmqVCbv25IPhHcHuIy0MxMN72Y9BFUhMC1q0RDD zZYMZ3ZHVEECeWi1uHDt23Dg&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru2-1.fna&oh=6750c5803c3dcd0824c017e6ac2efd82&oe=5DD0BA71

More photos: https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallyimage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=3279246662087197

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBIRLnkWwAI0JVY?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBIRMgZW4AIAmaL?format=jpg&name=large

[samzon100]

Photos Neste-Ralli (01-04.08.2019)
Shakedown, SS2, SS6, SS9, SS14, SS16, SS18, SS21, ja SS23

https://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Neste-Ralli+08.19/

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[dimviii]

@Tom amazing photos mate!

another video from Neuvilles jump
https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/1158028502010126336

[HarriK]

I did thursday SD,
Friday: oittila1, ässämäki 1, moksi 2, äänekoski2
Saturday: Päijälä1, Pihlajakoski2 and Leustu2
Sunday: laukaa 1 and 2

Totally by car ~700km +200km to/from home and 22km walking and 6km bicycle.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The distance achieved by Neuville & Ogier reminded me of when ski-jumpers 'out-jump the hill'.

And the fact they went further than the distance markers shows the organisers didnt expect that and therefore hadnt fully considered what could happen.

That long flat runway allowed the cars to achieve a higher speed than they do on a normal jump within a stage.

Ogier's extreme nose-up landing isnt normally seen on WRC jumps. The aero is usually quite balaced. But at extreme speed who knew what it might cause...

As Ryan Champion said:
I suspect the aero is designed to work when the car is on the ground... rather than 2 metres in the air at 200 km/h !

[EstWRC]

like Tommeke said: "Hard to find the words to describe how amazing this event was"

same here, another awesome year at Rally Finland. Really satisfied with my homework done before the rally this year, the places on the stages were good and all the things were running smoothly. Only complain: it was so DAMN cold the last two nights. Especially Saturday night at Päijälä, i was shaking like a leaf in the tent the whole night until morning.

We started with the shakedown on Thursday, at this place https://youtu.be/ibFUATF4kb0?t=88. I have to tell the place is 100X times awesome in real life, the speed was insane. We drove it through the night before with like 50km/h but i guess these guys have something like 160km/h at there?
Suninen was most spectacular there, very sideways and throwing the most amount of rocks at us.

Friday we were on Moksi and Urria. On Moksi we were at a very fast flat-out left hander, Ogier had a veeeeery sideways moment there, my heart stopped for a second. The others came through nicely.

On Urria we were at the fast corner before the big jump, it can be seen here from last years vid https://youtu.be/vLb2zPDY0hA?t=36. But before this fast corner theres also a crest and this is where Lappi had that moment. The crest lifted the cars and they came flat out there, Lappi was soooo sideways over that crest and flew basically into the ditch with the rear, until this day i cant understand how he came away from it.

On Saturday we were at Päijälä and Pihlajakoski. On Päijälä at 5km rollercoaster road and on Pihlajakoski at very end of the stage, fast left and right.
Ogier hit a three/ditch very hard coming too fast into the left hand corner and Tänak took the right hand corner completely with different line compared to others. Lappi was very wild there and he also won that stage.

aaanddd on Sunday of course the big jump at the end of Ruuhimäki and i guess i dont have to tell you about it.

At least the stages and places we were, Tänak was by faaaaaar the most smoothest and cleanest, like just having a Sunday cruise, even on Friday on first passes. The others were correcting the car all the time, the most wild ones were Lappi and Suninen, especially Suninen on every place we were.

i dont know if i will go next year, the problem is that everything costs so much. I mean, the rally pass this year was 80 euros, 80 EUROS? And then we have to pay 15-20 euros for parking every night, and then some parkin places dont even have a toilet or thrash bags for this money.

I was at Rally Spain two years ago and there was no rally pass and parking fees. And if you put all the Rally Finland costs together, it isnt a massive difference between it and Rally Spain.

But in the end im sure ill go anyway, lol.


and you can see from this pic we were at Rally Finland, a huge jump ;)

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[AnttiL]

That long flat runway allowed the cars to achieve a higher speed than they do on a normal jump within a stage.


Ruuhimäki itself also contains fast jumps. The real Yellow house jump also has a long acceleration.



Ogier's extreme nose-up landing isnt normally seen on WRC jumps. The aero is usually quite balaced. But at extreme speed who knew what it might cause...

Novikov in Finland 2009. Or Neuville in Päijälä. It happens.

[Mirek]

The distance achieved by Neuville & Ogier reminded me of when ski-jumpers 'out-jump the hill'.

And the fact they went further than the distance markers shows the organisers didnt expect that and therefore hadnt fully considered what could happen.

That long flat runway allowed the cars to achieve a higher speed than they do on a normal jump within a stage.

Ogier's extreme nose-up landing isnt normally seen on WRC jumps. The aero is usually quite balaced. But at extreme speed who knew what it might cause...

As Ryan Champion said:
I suspect the aero is designed to work when the car is on the ground... rather than 2 metres in the air at 200 km/h !

Eddie, don't you think that you make often too much drama of things?

[Portimao]

Is there a video of Greensmith's crash?

[mknight]

The problem I have with the Ruuhimäki ending is the extremely artificial feel of the area after the jump. It just looks like a big flat empty (parking) lot.

Finland has great natural stages including the "roller coaster" on the wide road just before the last part of Ruuhimäki and then to "top it up" they go for a "cheap" flick in a seemingly empty artificial area.

At least some grass/banks/trees would help a lot on how that last sections feels, even if people know it's artificial.

[HarriK]

Is there a video of Greensmith's crash?

https://youtu.be/mjD2XsbTleg

[dimviii]

Οgiers jump from another angle
https://youtu.be/-xNLXkDeKp0?t=167

[smwrc1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2yYqw-vyrg&list=LLyUO-E4456SjD-DRfXc6cfA&index=2&t=0s

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eddie, don't you think that you make often too much drama of things?

No.

[AnttiL]

The problem I have with the Ruuhimäki ending is the extremely artificial feel of the area after the jump. It just looks like a big flat empty (parking) lot.

That's what it is. It's one way to give more space for spectators and to accomodate the podium ceremony.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRCWings notes on Ruuhimäki (power stage) last jump:

Some of the cars showed an excessive nose-up behavior while landing in the last crest of the Power Stage (Ruuhimäki), with the Citroën C3 WRC of Ogier and Ingrassia reaching the top angle, and losing the rear diffuser in the second pass as a minor consequence. The reason why those cars nose-up so heavily is not only related to aerodynamics, but to the way they faced the crest.

As Mads Østberg explained to us in an interview included in our post on Aerodynamics of a WRC car jump, it is normal to brake a little bit before the crest, in order to balance the car. If the top of the crest is reached at full acceleration, the car will face it with the nose up.

The control time at the end of the Ruuhimäki stage was located on top of the crest. Many drivers were pushing down to the limit to the very end of the stage to get the best time and some points. For this reason, they probably did not brake before the crest, and their cars took off nosing up. If you add a poor aero balance (such is the case of the C3), then the landing could not be balanced, and the cars reached very unbalanced position (as it happened to Ogier or Neuville).

[EstWRC]

Not just here, you don't need to be a nuclear physicist to realize, that Yaris is ''from another planet'' compare to other cars…..that's why my hero of the weekend is Lappi who manage to bring this piece of French crap on the podium….

it cant be that crap if second year in a row its fighting for the win on the first day and in the end is second. Lappi was also second in Sweden, so the Citroen must be quite good on fast stuff.

what i also noticed again is that the guys who were at Rally Estonia this year, did really well also on Rally Finland, exactly like last year.

For me Breen definitely secured a contract with some team for next year, really great performance from him. Mikkelsen did also really well considering its one of his weakest rallies.

[mknight]

That's what it is. It's one way to give more space for spectators and to accomodate the podium ceremony.

Spectators/podium don't need to be on a flat and empty area. "Natural" earth-tribunes even artificially made with grass looks 10x better than flat empty tarmac patch.

[mknight]

For me Breen definitely secured a contract with some team for next year, really great performance from him.

I am not so sure. Remember Breen has 2 podiums... from Sweden and Finland. So it's one of his 2 best rallies. He has yet to prove he can be fast and stay fast on med-slow gravel, not to mention tarmac rally without mistakes. (Btw. Østberg did basically the same in Finland last year and it's not like he has a drive now)

Anyway Breen very likely secured a drive with I20 in GB instead of Sordo.

[spark13]

"It's not a positive weekend because we lose 18 points on Tanak, we hope of course that the next events will be different, but I'm not worried about the performance, the trend has been pretty clear for a few time What more can I do? Maybe I'm getting older I'm not the type to say that it's not my fault when I do not win The Ogier-Citroën package is not up to date In five races, it's hard to turn the tide, I'm not bitter, I'm glad the weekend is over and we're going home, let's wait for Germany. I'm always optimistic about my chances of a title, "explained Ogier at our microphone.

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_ogier-le-package-ogier-citroen-n-est-pas-a-niveau-pour-le-moment?id=10285660
I was at the podium place at ruuhimaki. And heared Seb chatting with Yari-mattis wife. She asked how was he and his rally and he answered that the were better times and better rallys. Added later that WW times are gone and it is what it is. He looked very upset and tired. I never saw him like that before. Like he was devastated by the fact that he can't keep up with those 3 guys upfront.

[spark13]

Οgiers jump from another angle
https://youtu.be/-xNLXkDeKp0?t=167

Heh i remember last year he lost peace of aero on the back of his Fiesta exactly at that last jump. But the jump and landing was more clear.

[AnttiL]

Spectators/podium don't need to be on a flat and empty area. "Natural" earth-tribunes even artificially made with grass looks 10x better than flat empty tarmac patch.

It's not just the Rally Finland finish area, it's used for other things throughout the year, you cannot spice it up with trees and grass just for the sake of this event.

[Morte66]

Any more opinions on that big jump at the end of the PS ?

I found it a bit silly.

[mknight]

It's not just the Rally Finland finish area, it's used for other things throughout the year, you cannot spice it up with trees and grass just for the sake of this event.

Then as long as it stays like this this comment sums it up for me as well:


I found it a bit silly.

[Morte66]

For me Breen definitely secured a contract with some team for next year, really great performance from him. Mikkelsen did also really well considering its one of his weakest rallies.

He came 7th (really 6th before giving the place to Neuville) out of 8 WRC finishers.

But he did do the job expected of him, i.e finish without incident.

I think he has put himself solidly in place on the list of drivers who will be considered next year, by any team that wants a reliable finisher.

[Ucci]

it cant be that crap if second year in a row its fighting for the win on the first day and in the end is second. Lappi was also second in Sweden, so the Citroen must be quite good on fast stuff.

Do not look the difference behind Ott; if Ott would push like others did, he would at least 90 sec ahaed...100% sure. Ott was on a sunday drive, read the comment from EstWRC who was spectating....

[Ucci]

Do not look the difference behind Ott; if Ott would push like others did, he would at least 90 sec ahaed...100% sure. Ott was on a sunday drive, read the comment from EstWRC who was spectating....
actually you were there!!

[EstWRC]

He came 7th (really 6th before giving the place to Neuville) out of 8 WRC finishers.

But he did do the job expected of him, i.e finish without incident.

I think he has put himself solidly in place on the list of drivers who will be considered next year, by any team that wants a reliable finisher.

exactly, he is a perfect number two in the team

i mean, it was his FIRST WRC rally in 9 months being with FIRST time with a Hyundai what is known not to be a good car on Rally Finland and he did absolutely brilliantly, faster than Neuville who has been forever in the team.

[SubaruNorway]

There was a pretty good head wind at the powerstage jump, maybe that created up lift when they came off the jump like it does on a ski jump?

[Franky]

Do not look the difference behind Ott; if Ott would push like others did, he would at least 90 sec ahaed...100% sure. Ott was on a sunday drive, read the comment from EstWRC who was spectating....

Don't think it would had been 90+ seconds, unless others had issues. Already based on the power stage, he was only 0,7 faster than Neuville who was not the biggest threat during the rally. The only question would had been, who would had survived the maximum attack approach on the long run.

[mknight]

exactly, he is a perfect number two in the team

Nobody is going to hire him as "perfect number two" based on one rally.




.. faster than Neuville who has been forever in the team.

Actually in this case being longer in the team likely wasn't really an advantage. With the upgrades the I20 turns quite different than before and Neuville had one day test mostly in rain, so suddenly the car was different than it has been for a long time.

[Gregor-y]

The C3 has looked scary in the air for a few years. Does the rear wing have some passive aero that depends on speed? The car takes off flat but as it goes through the air (and slows down with drag) something tips it up as if a pilot was pulling back on the controls after a while. At similar speeds on smaller jumps it seems fine.

[jiipee64]

A bit off topic and a bit late but here is a crash course to spelling the stage names right...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bzsrYyhpX4

[Ide]

It was very cold during the rally. The coldest rally Finland since I’ve been there from 2001.

I just published my rally Finland 2019 photo gallery:
https://www.ilkansivu.net/en/photos/motorsport/wrc/neste-rally-finland-2019

There are photos about 7 special stages and the podium ceremony.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190806/e5853e6a48fb44d5540bb0e2f2fab583.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The C3 has looked scary in the air for a few years. Does the rear wing have some passive aero that depends on speed? The car takes off flat but as it goes through the air (and slows down with drag) something tips it up as if a pilot was pulling back on the controls after a while. At similar speeds on smaller jumps it seems fine.

There's also an aero issue still to be resolved with the C3 R5 . This lead to Østberg not entering Rally Finland.

[Mirek]

There's also an aero issue still to be resolved with the C3 R5 . This lead to Østberg not entering Rally Finland.

To be honest I find this his reasoning a bit cheap. By raw speed he was the fastest WRC2 driver nearly everywhere and it was only his mistakes what prevented him from winning the events. He would be fast in Finland too, maybe not as fast as Rovanperä but for sure fast enough to fight for the podium.

[AnttiL]

To be honest I find this his reasoning a bit cheap. By raw speed he was the fastest WRC2 driver nearly everywhere and it was only his mistakes what prevented him from winning the events. He would be fast in Finland too, maybe not as fast as Rovanperä but for sure fast enough to fight for the podium.

Also pretty wise tactics not to drive against Rovanperä in Finland. Rovanperä has now driven seven events, Østberg only five. Østberg can get easier wins later in the season (with Kalle not starting).

EDIT: I was wrong, drivers can drive all events they want, eight best count, so it's likely that Kalle will do most of the remaining rallies.

[denkimi]

Do not look the difference behind Ott; if Ott would push like others did, he would at least 90 sec ahaed...100% sure. Ott was on a sunday drive, read the comment from EstWRC who was spectating....
I don't think so. Just because it looks like a sunday drive doesn't mean he's not close to the maximum speed possible.
In contrary, wilder and more spectacular driving is usually slower and pushing beyond whats comfortable creates errors.

[cali]

Ott himself said that he was pushed to the max. No need to doubt his words. The competitors have stepped up their game. That's his words.

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[the sniper]

We started with the shakedown on Thursday, at this place youtu.be/ibFUATF4kb0?t=88. I have to tell the place is 100X times awesome in real life, the speed was insane. We drove it through the night before with like 50km/h but i guess these guys have something like 160km/h at there?
Suninen was most spectacular there, very sideways and throwing the most amount of rocks at us.

Yeah that is a nice spot. I finished the session there this year, having worked my way up the 'straight' prior to this, but stood on the inside as I didn't fancy getting shot blasted on the outside! I was there last year too, when it seemed less busy down this way. I think more people ventured west beyond the jump this year, having seen the onboards from last year.


So just to add my experience. Yep, it was a really great this year. Personally, I much preferred the weather this year. It made walking around much nicer! Plus having a coat/pockets meant I didn't have to lug a bag about. I have to admit I was shivering waiting for the cars to arrive some of those mornings though! I did Shakedown, Urria, Kakaristo, Ruuhimäki and went to the podium ceremony. One of the highlights for me was on Urria at Hirvonen's jump for SS4. I got a clear view from near the crossing after the jump. Before the stage started, I couldn't believe it when the Solberg family turned up and stood right behind me! Petter, Oliver, Pernilla and Oscar! I got to talk to Oscar Solberg (seemed surprised I knew who he was! :D ) about his rallying and he talked about Henning's experience with the new Fabia. I also had a quick chat (I didn't want to bother any of them too much) with Petter about Rally GB. It was nice to be able to thank him for doing it in person! I have to admit that I took the chance to have a picture with Petter and another later with Oliver and Oscar together, which I was going to do as a selfie but Petter offered to take it for me! That alone was pretty surreal/amusing, looking at Petter taking my picture! :D The atmosphere was surprisingly relaxed (that's Scandinavians for you though!) considering their presence in the crowd and they were really friendly. A great memory for me.

Otherwise, I did a 50/50 mix of public 'tourist' areas and nice spots off the beaten track, so to speak. Considering I had done less preparation than I'd have liked to, I was happy with the spots I ended up in and had a great time overall. I think I'll have to go again next year now... I did it as a one off last year, but it's a very addictive event!

I'll try and add some photos below...

Small gallery:
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[reff92]

Another Neste Rally Finland is done. This year we were out with a sofa which was very useful on powerstage first pass , because weather was so cold.
We were on Harju first pass , then we were moving to Moksi stage where we stayed night and two passes. When Moksi was done we set our target with sofa to Päijala stage to see this faimous corner(1.7km from our camp) where every year is crashes and this corner didn't let our hopes down. After first pass on Päijala we moved sofa back to camp and traveled to Ruuhimäki stages( we were learned from last year that after second passs its impossible to get out from päijala). Around 23 o'clock we moved our sofa from camp to tribune to be ready for powerstage - which was big mistake(rain) . After moving sofa to tribune then we get our blanket and sleeping bags and that load covering plastic to protect our sofa and ourselfs from rain. Night was not so cold to sleep almost open sky but before ruuhimäki first pass weather changed and wind was blowing and temperature dropped tramaticaly. Now we were very glad to have sleeping bags and cover with along us to keep us warm. Thats was nice weekend and hopefully not the last one with traveling with sofa along the rally stages

I add some pictures to keep some extreme fans awake and i am very thankful when somebody can share to me some pictures from our journey with sofa - because we didnt saved all that.


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[dimviii]

^^^haha nice one guys!

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/status/1158742262404255744

[the sniper]

I don't know how it was measured, whether it was overall or just on a single stage, but I overheard some talk that this weekend was the closest that R2s have ever been to the pace of the WRC cars. A quick look makes me think it could be in the overall result?

[Hartusvuori]

I hope you brought the sofa back home.

[Mirek]

I don't know how it was measured, whether it was overall or just on a single stage, but I overheard some talk that this weekend was the closest that R2s have ever been to the pace of the WRC cars. A quick look makes me think it could be in the overall result?

For sure not. I made a very quick check (only Rally Finland) and they were closer two or three times in the overall time difference (that depends on the route length) and even more times in difference in seconds per kilometer. The difference was smallest in the first year of 1.6T cars in 2011 (logically) and massively smaller than this weekend.

2019 1st R2 +24:36,9 +4,80 s/km
2011 1st R2 +19:01,4 +3,63 s/km

[MartijnS]

Four years after our last visit and had one of the best rallies ever. Great event. We did 4 stages on Friday, 4 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday.
So, so fast everywhere, really amazing. Joost couldn't make it, but already promised to try and come next year haha.

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Some more at our Facebook page: http://facebook.com/rallymedia ! Back next year for sure!

[reff92]

I hope you brought the sofa back home.
Sofa is back in home with me.

[Hartusvuori]

Sofa is back in home with me.

That's good. I saw a picture of you and your sofa on Sunday night at Ruuhimäki finish. You have dedication :-)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBSCP-gXoAA4Pgl?format=jpg&name=large

[Rally Power]

A bit late, but huge congrats to Tanak/Jarveoja and Toyota for the win and hat off for Breen/Nagle; I didn't imagine Breen would be able to be so fast and consistent on his first outing with the i20. Well done!

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/EsapekkaLappi/status/1159110452577755142

[EstWRC]

lol


so good to see happy and funny Lappi back again

[EstWRC]

flaaaaaaaaaattttttt-oouuuuuuutttttttt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENX_5Zu_Epc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0pjbH6uToH4xFqi8Qr5C-GzqYJXtFY1sEFu_taB86KURI5oqQUzIo6Z6c

[dimviii]

flaaaaaaaaaattttttt-oouuuuuuutttttttt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENX_5Zu_Epc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0pjbH6uToH4xFqi8Qr5C-GzqYJXtFY1sEFu_taB86KURI5oqQUzIo6Z6c

amazing video!

[EstWRC]

:eek: NOT is back??? :eek:

[Simmi]

My fifth time in Finland but first with these new cars. Really something special.

Some photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157710163208771

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48482813572_b87be3abb9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2gSg6mQ)1 (https://flic.kr/p/2gSg6mQ) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
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[Hartusvuori]

My friend's photo gallery from the event: https://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rally+Finland+2019/

https://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rally%20Finland%202019/3O9A8722.jpg?img=smaller

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[EstWRC]

more behind the scenes of shakedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuad9-71_Bs

[mknight]

more behind the scenes of shakedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuad9-71_Bs
Conspiracy theory:
Check out the long look Ogier gives to Tänak's rear wing then goes to his car and looks at his. He probably knew already at that point!

[EstWRC]

has this one been here ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu8SBZrdoRA


the more i watch these Rally Finland videos the more i come to conclusion we need more these fast rallies into calendar. One is not enough (ok two with Sweden), bring Poland back or add Estonian in or please FIA search some other country with these kind of fast roads.

amazing!

[AnttiL]

the more i watch these Rally Finland videos the more i come to conclusion we need more these fast rallies into calendar. One is not enough (ok two with Sweden), bring Poland back or add Estonian in or please FIA search some other country with these kind of fast roads.

Australia 2017 was faster than Sweden 2018. But I agree, there should be something to bridge the gap between Finland and next fastest events, now Finland is like 10% faster than others. Although Rally Estonia had outrageously fast stages, there were also very slow stages so the total average speed was slower than Rally Finland.

[DocMS]

I know this rally is only over but when do they release proposed dates for 2020? Wouldn't mind getting Accomadation booked early

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[Eli]

I know this rally is only over but when do they release proposed dates for 2020? Wouldn't mind getting Accomadation booked early

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If I remember correctly, between the 20th-23rd of August.

[pantealex]

If I remember correctly, between the 20th-23rd of August.

Yep, that´s strongest candidate but not official yet.

[MTA]

Absolutely wonderful rally as usual!
Has nothing to comment on except possibly more and longer stages ;).

Very impressed by Tänak who wins the rally, the EP who really had speed, Breen and Mikkelsen who drove very well and not least Tom Kristiansson who wins the JWRC.

Some of our pictures can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/rallyfoto.se/

[AnttiL]

Päijälä was the same stage in 2017 and 2019. Let's compare the times from first runs

2017 Latvala 10:55.5
2019 Meeke 10:37.4

That's 18 seconds quicker! The 2017 Latvala would have been the slowest WRC car in 2019 (save for Greensmith).

Comparing the fastest R5 and R2, there are even bigger gaps, but then again both Fabia R5 and Fiesta R2 were upgraded in between.

In 2017 the conditions were slightly damp, in 2019 completely dry.

Looking at the times section by section, it seems the marginal is smaller on the very fast sections and higher on more technical roads.