[WRC] Neste Rally Finland 1st-4th August 2019

[dimviii]

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[RS]

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Imso Grumpinen.

[er88]

Apparent jumpstart from Seb. Looked very very close

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Oof Teemu looking scruffy.

[KKS]

Tanak flatout till finish line, but Meeke a bit lift off at the end

[EstWRC]

Great day from Ott! I Expected like 10-15 seconds loss

[er88]

There will be bigger time gaps on the Mickey mouse stage later than most of these special stages :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen much happier and thanking the team for the improved i20.

[er88]

Meeke takes Lappi

[mknight]

Last year at this point 7th place was 1 min down, this year 16s!

[KKS]

Last year at this point 7th place was 1 min down, this year 16s!
Competition level was awesome!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great day for Lappi ... the only one to take it to the Toyota's.

Breen and Mikkelsen also impressive today and especially compared to their team-leader.

[Morte66]

Is the running order for tomorrow set now, or will the SSS later affect it?

[Tarmop]

It is set.

[mknight]

Which is great for Latvala cause he always looses time on Harju.

[RS]

New Fiesta R5 has shown a little more promise today in the hands of Katsuta at least.

[doubled1978]

Biggest disappointment has been the pace of the Fords in general.
Greensmith relative to Suninen is probably about right for him on only his 2nd outing, but why they are detached from the others is strange.
Neuville this morning wasn’t great, but this afternoon been ok.
You could argue everybody else has been good..

[mknight]

Biggest disappointment has been the pace of the Fords in general.
Greensmith relative to Suninen is probably about right for him on only his 2nd outing, but why they are detached from the others is strange.
Neuville this morning wasn’t great, but this afternoon been ok.
You could argue everybody else has been good..

Toyota is obviously fast here and also have a new engine upgrade. Hyundai invested a lot of development time/money on improving here, Citroen seemingly a bit as well and they were already very fast here last year (2nd).

MSport struggled last year and didn't seem to invest much now either. Evans did Estonia, but it's questionable how much development work got done if he wasn't feeling 100% after the 2nd stage, also he is not here now so he can't easily tell Suninen what setup changes worked between stages for example. Wilson seemed to talk about Evan being missed to help the others (I assume he meant with setup).

[Thousandlakes]

I think Suninen should be much faster if compare Greensmith. Last stage Suninen already lost from him. And we cant say that Greensmith is superfast in his second wrc competition. Whats wrong? Car Issues? Last year he was fastest Ford.

[mknight]

Huh, some starting order... 10-6, then WRC2.. then 5-1

[dimviii]

Breen
https://twitter.com/suirway/status/1157325705484652544

[Mirek]

Harju is a nice example of how to do a spectator stage. Many other organizers shall take an inspiration.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen summed up his and M-Sport's day pretty well: 'Quite shit.' :(

[Norm75]

Meeke very tidy on the Mickey mouse stage, he's usually shit in those.

[Mirek]

Meeke very tidy on the Mickey mouse stage, he's usually shit in those.

In my eyes he made a small mistake in the very last corner when he had to correct too early steering in.

[Norm75]

In my eyes he made a small mistake in the very last corner when he had to correct too early steering in.

Yes I spotted that too, but rest of stage very tidy, looked slow even.

[tomhlord]

Meeke very tidy on the Mickey mouse stage, he's usually shit in those.

Really smooth, but then had to turn in twice into the final corner.

[Edit - ah yeh, what the others said too]

[Norm75]

Amazing how close this rally is, especially on stage 8 when 2-3-4 were tied on exactly the same time . . Remarkable.

Got to love Breen though, great performance and every stage end interview his attitude is fantastic, not just this rally but since being in the wrc he comes across as a guy that knows he has got the best job in the world.

[dimviii]

Meeke

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/neste_rally_finland_2019/hfr_dsc_2251.jpg

more
https://www.ewrc-results.com/photo/54468-neste-rally-finland-2019/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi summing up well too... 'Rallying is nice again !' :)

[Mirek]

Huh, some starting order... 10-6, then WRC2.. then 5-1

For me it was a nice mix and on mostly asphalt city stage it's ok I think.

[steve.mandzij]

Say what you want about starting order but this is the first time in a while that Tanak is properly being outclassed by someone other than the big three in a fair fight.

And as a struggling Latvala fan I couldn't be happier :)

[tomhlord]

Turns out, Rally Finland is pretty good!

[tomhlord]

Meeke

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/neste_rally_finland_2019/hfr_dsc_2251.jpg

more
https://www.ewrc-results.com/photo/54468-neste-rally-finland-2019/

Look at the left rear tyre!

[Tarmop]

Say what you want about starting order but this is the first time in a while that Tanak is properly being outclassed by someone other than the big three in a fair fight.

And as a struggling Latvala fan I couldn't be happier :)

Wouldn`t call a 2.6 sec loss to first place outclassing, even more properly outclassing... and you have to count road order. Far from it, still, good competition.

[steve.mandzij]

Wouldn`t call a 2.6 sec loss to first place outclassing, even more properly outclassing...more like good competition.Sorry, I meant it as simply being quicker than, which nowadays is a sight to behold.

[EstWRC]

We are at p2 in Paijala. Drove the stage through until p2, amazing piece of road, proper roller coaster from 5.4-6km

It was great day today, the places were awesome where we were. Breen is driver of the day for me and amazing to see Lappi back at it again.

[mknight]

Toyota positions are exact reverse of their starting order, Citroen positions are exact reverse of their starting order...and Hyundai positions are also reverse of their starting order. Only MSport breaks it.

But small differences so it's ok.

[Mise]

After first loop Tanak had the lead and after second loop he didn't.
What am I missing here? Shouldn't the first time be harder for him?

[Tarmop]

Dealing with 2wd ruts was harder than lose gravel.

[over jump]

Urria SS4 Hirvonen jump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06qgEGMam3I

Urria SS8 Big jump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hNNPfopnI8

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/UBJ5URs-Mo8

https://youtu.be/VkaWaR2Utlk

[KKS]

Urria SS4 Hirvonen jump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06qgEGMam3I

Urria SS8 Big jump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hNNPfopnI8
Fords can't, or hesitate to jump longer. That's why they a bit slower

[mknight]

Fords can't, or hesitate to jump longer. That's why they a bit slower

The question is what is cause and what is effect.

[KKS]

No penalty for Ogier for jump start?

[mknight]

I see some rain getting reported in the area.

[TypeR]

another whiny day for Suninen :D

[er88]

Here we go, should be a great day of rallying. A tanak day ;) ?

[er88]

Mikkelsen flying at split 1

[flykas]

All live laging teribly

[Essaj]

Tänak's 2nd split is insane, -5.8 in 7km's

[mknight]

All live laging teribly

For me as well, no matter what resolution I choose.

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen flying at split 1

Again fastest on the small road like yesterday in Oittila

[AnttiL]

Aaaaand Tänak leads

[Eli]

All live laging teribly

So annoying, hopefully they'll resolve it until the next stage.

[KKS]

For me as well, no matter what resolution I choose.
same, I thought it was my PC.
Can anyone check on smartTV platforms if it's the same?

[dimviii]

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[Kradovech]

Yeah, it laggs on my smartTV as well

[KKS]

Asunmaa off
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBBcEUUW4AEsHcs?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

at the narrow first part of the stage Mikkelsen and Neuville fastest

[rage82]

It's lagging for me also on a smart TV.

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[KKS]

Lindholm first split - crazy fast!

[KKS]

Lindholm a 0.9s faster than Kalle. Could be another fighting for a win without yesterday retirement
Asunmaa lost 9+ min and continue
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBBeBniWwAEcAia?format=jpg&name=small
Katsuta - retire

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Sat 08:41 - Katsuta driving slowly
The Japanese driver has right-rear wheel damage and is limping through to the stage end slowly. We understand that he hit a gate on the first corner of the stage.
He's taken his helmet off at the side of the stage, so it doesn't look like he will go any further. More news as we have it.

[Sulland]

Famous Paijala next!!!!

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/54468_ebbdrtmx4aam4s4.jpg

[dimviii]

Tanaks first split!

[AnttiL]

Tanaks first split!

Doesn't surprise me. The only thing that can stop him today is his own Yaris.

[er88]

Ogier coming back at Mikkelsen and Tanak with a superb first split

[Eli]

Well done for Ogier, feeling the way he does and still being quite competitive.

[Portimao]

Ogier having a hangover?

[er88]

Neuville won't be happy if his teammates can't keep a groggy Seb behind

[dimviii]

Kris same 1st split with Tanak.

[er88]

Tanak just flying. It's incredible

[TypeR]

3 first splits equal Meeke vs Ott, insane

[er88]

Holy fuck Meeke

[dimviii]

Meeke 1,8 faster from Tanak

[KKS]

This stage was absolutely AMAZING! I Love it!

[TypeR]

Ott looked like he went to a store to get some milk, Meeke was like just out of sauna :D

[dimviii]

Tanaks yaris leaking oil!

[er88]

Tanaks yaris leaking oil!Oh shit. Where you seeing/hearing that?

[KKS]

Doesn't surprise me. The only thing that can stop him today is his own Yaris.
Oh man....

[Eli]

What an incredible fight for the win (and for 5th), it seems as if each year the competition intensifies and Rally Finland showcases that brilliantly.

[dimviii]

Tanaks loosing progressively at splits compared to Kris and Jari is probably from the leaking/problem

[cali]

Tanaks yaris leaking oil!It's happening again....

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[dimviii]

Oh shit. Where you seeing/hearing that?

official site

Sat 09:39 - Tanak at SS13 end
His Toyota left some oil at the stage end. Co-driver Martin Jarveoja jumped out and checked something on the front right before they carried on along the road section.

[cali]

One stage to go until service?

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[Tarmop]

2, ~29km in total.

[wrc2017]

Tanaks loosing progressively at splits compared to Kris and Jari is probably from the leaking/problem
Damper?

[wrc2017]

Tanaks loosing progressively at splits compared to Kris and Jari is probably from the leaking/problem
Meeke Tanak equal first 3 splits

[cali]

2, ~29km in total.Oh crap..

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[KKS]

Stage:
Toyota, Toyota, Toyota, Citroen, Citroen, Hyundai, Hyundai, Hyundai

[stefanvv]

If it's from the damper not that bad

[er88]

Hopefully nothing in it. Clearly didn't feel it effected the driving but fingers crossed it's nothing severe.

[KKS]

If it's from the damper not that bad
not bad as Argentina?

[dimviii]

Lindholm again faster at 1st split from Kalle,and with not a small margin

[TypeR]

If it's from the damper not that bad

yes, because there are no jumps in Finland

[dimviii]

Damper?

we dont know yet for sure.

[Essaj]

One stage to go until service?


2, Kakaristo and Leustu

[wrc2017]

yes, because there are no jumps in Finlandlol.. Almost the worst rally you could have a broken damper

[KKS]

Sesks - retire after bent a wheel
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBBmbfUXoAAlQ1E?format=jpg

[cali]

lol.. Almost the worst rally you could have a broken damperI think he was sarcastic

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[er88]

Can't wait to watch these onboards

[dimviii]

Lindholm again faster at 1st split from Kalle,and with not a small margin

f@cked at 2nd split +2 min
probably changed wheel

[KKS]

Lindholm again faster at 1st split from Kalle,and with not a small margin
and +2m on next split, probably tyre change

[EstWRC]

I just can’t believe it....

[mknight]

Looks like a repeat of yesterday, Toyota, Citroen, Hyundai on first passes, then on second passes it was more mixed.

[dimviii]

I just can’t believe it....

any news from Estonian media if its damper or engine /gearbox?

[er88]

I just can’t believe it....No need to panic too much yet. There was nothing worrying Tanak or his driving - if it's an oil breather thing it's no problem. Let's see

[TypeR]

No need to panic yet. There was nothing worrying Tanak or his driving - if it's an oil breather thing it's no problem. Let's see

actually he started to lose to Meeke and Latvala after 3rd split

[KKS]

If you went in summer into Finland for rally - you must heated up with rally cars :D
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBBsWH_XYAIU7ut?format=jpg&name=small

[er88]

actually he started to lose to Meeke and Latvala after 3rd splitYeah that split, then came back at Meeke in last split.

[mknight]

I'd reserve the panic for when things get confirmed. Yesterday they said Mikkelsen was leaking oil and then it was nothing.

[KKS]

bumper damage for Neuville

[dimviii]

Neuville touching a heybale

https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1157551733494689798

[er88]

Another big first split from Tanak, car seems fine

[TypeR]

Meeke 0kmh

[dimviii]

watch Latvala 1st split

[er88]

Meeke out. Steam from engine

Edit - rear left

[KKS]

Meeke is stopped and seems this is that rare moment that it not his fault

[mknight]

Rear left wheel sticking out.

[KKS]

Meeke is stopped and seems this is that rare moment that it not his fault
nope... not rare. Normal service resumed..... fuck!!!

[Eli]

Well that was only a matter of time I guess, they are all pushing almost beyond their limits.

[stefanvv]

yes, because there are no jumps in Finland

go jump with broken engine then

[mknight]

Latvala front right diveplane off.

[er88]

Rally over it seems. Latvala losing a lot of time

[KKS]

Well that was only a matter of time I guess, they are all pushing almost beyond their limits.
I always sit with crossing fingers when Meeke on TV...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Must have happened in the same section for both Toyota's... but Latvala was lucky!

[KKS]

Now all excitement should over. Latvala should watch Lappi and Tanak must be on 'sunday mode'

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBB22nTXsAYiien?format=jpg&name=small

[tomhlord]

Even if JML and Meeke backed off to the point where Lappi moved ahead into second, that would have been a good team result. I know having the three Toyota drivers fighting was great to watch, but I don't understand why at least one of them was given orders to hold back a bit just in case. Now one has retired and another could have been.

[Portimao]

https://i.ibb.co/xF5vPts/67457524-739645446493810-3416149642151198720-n.png (https://ibb.co/MBNTWxh)

[dimviii]

Latvala

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-16799-0-19287900-1564818398.jpeg

[mknight]

Is this a tactical mistake again by Toyota? Meeke out and Latvala loosing (will likely loose a bit in next stage as well) while "fighting" with Tanak when everyone else is down (even Lappi).

In a way this is similar to Portugal. "No team orders" is nice from sporting principle, but maybe not the best idea or winning championships.

EDIT: See that tomhlord has same I idea and I totally agree.

[Eli]

Now all excitement should over. Latvala should watch Lappi and Tanak must be on 'sunday mode'

To finish first you first have to finish....can't stress this enough here in Finland. With all the risks all the drivers are taking, the slightest error can ruin your rally, as shown by Latvala this stage.

[KKS]

oooooh Tommi hard on Meeke!

[mknight]

Tommi says he told them before the rally that they should control it and look around on their positions. Not looking happy.

Saying about JML "Maybe I hope he will learn something"

[KKS]

Very inform interview with Tommi. Seems Meeke will not continue with Toyota next year, and if Latvala calm down and protect Tanak - he will continue next year.

[tomhlord]

Tommi with some tough words there. Kalle in there asap.

[er88]

At least one of them got away with it, Jari has to try get through the next one ok and then manage the pace

[TypeR]

interesting that Seb Marshall is not using OMP seat, but Recaro with a black tape on the logo..

[KKS]

To finish first you first have to finish....can't stress this enough here in Finland. With all the risks all the drivers are taking, the slightest error can ruin your rally, as shown by Latvala this stage.
cuz they all of three - PUSH! They need to calm down and not fight with each other - that risk of a mistake less

[Tarmop]

interesting that Seb Marshall is not using OMP seat, but Recaro with a black tape on the logo..

People and thery physical needs are different.

[Eli]

cuz they all of three - PUSH! They need to calm down and not fight with each other - that risk of a mistake less

Yeah I know, they are pushing really hard, that's when the mistakes come into play.

[Portimao]

Very inform interview with Tommi. Seems Meeke will not continue with Toyota next year, and if Latvala calm down and protect Tanak - he will continue next year.

I see Meeke in M-Sport next year after that

[Sulland]

Well that was only a matter of time I guess, they are all pushing almost beyond their limits.

Mäkinen needs to tell Meeke to go 99% after he has a stage win or very close. It is in these situations he normally gets to hot-headed - and does a mistake.

[cali]

Gutted for Meeke but he does not seem to keep it together during the whole rally

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[mknight]

JML, Tanak and Neuville alll ripped off the front right diveplane on same haybale:

https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1157551733494689798

That will cost them a bit in next stage, but service soon.

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/krismeeke/status/1157565152050499584

Gutted. We hit a massive rock in fifth gear which broke the suspension. Spectators said it wasn’t there this morning and must have rolled down from the bank. Same place as @JariMattiWRC (https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBB_XdOWwAUCDD5?format=jpg

[dimviii]

krismeeke.com
@krismeeke

Gutted. We hit a massive rock in fifth gear which broke the suspension. Spectators said it wasn’t there this morning and must have rolled down from the bank. Same place as @JariMattiWRC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBB_XdOWwAUCDD5?format=jpg&name=360x360
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBB_XhrXsAAGLNN?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Something had to give in this battle. Shame.

[Franky]

Sometimes it seems that people keep forgetting that to have 3 or 4 guys in a few seconds, you need all of them to be going at their maximum. And having a six second gap is nothing you can really control, when the top 4 are going at it.

Shit happens and the world doesn't stop.

[Integrale]

Sometimes it seems that people keep forgetting that to have 3 or 4 guys in a few seconds, you need all of them to be going at their maximum. And having a six second gap is nothing you can really control, when the top 4 are going at it.

Shit happens and the world doesn't stop.This is true. Though it seems some drivers are more at ease doing it.

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[Mirek]

Lindholm again faster at 1st split from Kalle,and with not a small margin

One particular thing about Rovanperä is that despite his age he has shown repeatedly this year that he can control the pace when he has a solid lead and doesn't get into a mad race for winning stages with crews who can't endanger him even when they go faster (like several times with Ostberg before). If Lindholm does one superfast stage and then loose minutes on the other then it's ok to let him be...

[mknight]

This is true. Though it seems some drivers are more at ease doing it.



That's the essential of the "Loeb/Ogier/<insert name>" is always lucky and <insert name> has always bad luck.

"Luck" alone doesn't make them world champions.

[mknight]

One particular thing about Rovanperä is that despite his age he has shown repeatedly this year that he can control the pace when he has a solid lead and doesn't get into mad race for winning stgaes with crews who can't endanger him even when they go faster (like several times with Ostberg before). If Lindholm does one superfast stage and than loose minutes on the other than it's ok to let him be...

You mean repeatedly this year after crashing in the first 3 rallies.... there certainly was a lesson to be learned there.

[meh]

Now Tänak needs that Mikkelsen is doing well. If Ogier claims to 4th.. he is actually will end with 3rd. And if Mikkelsen and Breen are in front of Neuville... He will be 5th.

But it's just saturday at the moment, and not even lunch yet.

[Got Mail]

One particular thing about Rovanperä is that despite his age he has shown repeatedly this year that he can control the pace when he has a solid lead and doesn't get into a mad race for winning stages with crews who can't endanger him even when they go faster (like several times with Ostberg before). If Lindholm does one superfast stage and then loose minutes on the other then it's ok to let him be...

It does appear that the Polo is still the quickest car by a good margin. Must be frustrating for the guys in Mlada.

[Mirek]

You mean repeatedly this year after crashing in the first 3 rallies.... there certainly was a lesson to be learned there.

It ceretainly looks like he learned from the bad beginning of the year, yes.

[er88]

https://twitter.com/krismeeke/status/1157565152050499584

Gutted. We hit a massive rock in fifth gear which broke the suspension. Spectators said it wasn’t there this morning and must have rolled down from the bank. Same place as @JariMattiWRC (https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBB_XdOWwAUCDD5?format=jpgVery unfortunate if the rock has just fallen down onto the outside of the road.

[cali]

Sometimes it seems that people keep forgetting that to have 3 or 4 guys in a few seconds, you need all of them to be going at their maximum. And having a six second gap is nothing you can really control, when the top 4 are going at it.

Shit happens and the world doesn't stop.All true but it keeps happening to the same guys again and again

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[meh]

Very unfortunate if the rock has just fallen down onto the outside of the road.

And you can see one more stone "is waiting". If someone goes a bit wide there it may help to roll it down.

[EstWRC]

Iwan Evans

JML said the rock was there in the recce, but it wasn’t there last year - he admitted he’d changed his pace note from last year, and it was too fast

[Mirek]

It does appear that the Polo is still the quickest car by a good margin. Must be frustrating for the guys in Mlada.

Why do You think so?

Why isn't it C3 R5? Ostberg was fastest everytime he drove it against Rovanperä...

I don't think that anyone from Boleslav is frustrated from winning every event where they started with the new car (Mladá is adjective which means young while Boleslav is a name of a man - strangely while Boleslav is a man's name, Mladá Boleslav is feminine form - but enough of our language lessons :) ).

[GravelBen]

JML said the rock was there in the recce, but it wasn’t there last year - he admitted he’d changed his pace note from last year, and it was too fast

I thought he said there was a concrete block last year which wasn't there at recce so he made his note faster, but was too fast and ran a bit wide and hit the rock which he hadn't seen?

[Eric]

Will this be the second rally in a row where Neuville is the slowest Hyundai? Must have been a while since that happened.

[mknight]

Was expecting Latvala to loose some time with both front and rear aero missing.

Well.. the conclusion is obvious: The best aero is the one you don't have.

[wrc2017]

Iwan Evans

JML said the rock was there in the recce, but it wasn’t there last year - he admitted he’d changed his pace note from last year, and it was too fast

No he said there was a concrete bollard on the inside of the previous RH corner last year that was not there this year

[Sulland]

Will this be the second rally in a row where Neuville is the slowest Hyundai? Must have been a while since that happened.

Seems the others get more out of the upgrades than him in this rally.

[meh]

Tänak - time loss to stage winner:
SS1 0.7
SS2 0.9
SS3 0.1
SS4 1.2
SS5 0.0 (1.1 to 2nd)
SS6 0.5
SS7 5.8
SS8 1.5
SS9 1.5
SS10 1.0
SS11 0.8
SS12 0.0 (1.5 to 2nd)
SS13 1.8
SS14 0.0 (8.5 to 2nd)
SS15 0.1

most of drivers MAY get SOME great stage time (with risks),
great driver WILL get ALWAYS good times (with margin).

[Mirek]

All of the drivers here are professional including several WRC2 ones...

[Got Mail]

Why do You think so?

Why isn't it C3 R5? Ostberg was fastest everytime he drove it against Rovanperä...

I don't think that anyone from Boleslav is frustrated from winning every event where they started with the new car (Mladá is adjective which means young while Boleslav is a name of a man - strangely while Boleslav is a man's name, Mladá Boleslav is feminine form - but enough of our language lessons :) ).

Much of this season Veiby has been fastest of all the RC2 entries. I don't think he is as fast a driver as Kalle or Mads. So I'm guessing it may be the car that is substantially quicker.

(Thanks for the tip about Mlada)

[wrc2017]

Iwan Evans

JML said the rock was there in the recce, but it wasn’t there last year - he admitted he’d changed his pace note from last year, and it was too fast
If that rock was there in the recce, no one would have hit it. Its ironic that maybe Tanak pulled he rock out..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No improvement by the M-Sport's this morning... :(

Millener said they had no upgrades coming here.

All the other teams have either engine, aero or chassis improvements and its showing.

[Mirek]

Much of this season Veiby has been fastest of all the RC2 entries. I don't think he is as fast a driver as Kalle or Mads. So I'm guessing it may be the car that is substantially quicker.

Only Ostberg (Sweden) and Greensmith (Monte Carlo) managed to finish ahead of Rovanperä through the all events started this year (and Pieniazek if we count Rovanperä's accident in Corsica). Otherwise he won all events. That's what counts and the car reliability is a big part of the game. Kopecký was second behind Rovanperä in both outings he did and now Loubet is safely second behind Rovanperä in his first outing with the Fabia Evo. I really don't see any reason for complains.

If I shall complain I would do that about Fiesta Mk.II which definitely does seem to lack and that is worrying for me. I would definitely like to have closer competition even as a Škoda fan. The victories taste better if there is a good fight for them (even if they don't come everytime). It's only good if VW or Citroën get fast.

[Sulland]

Why choose Camilli for Finland in the new R5 Mk2?
They should have gone with a Finn to see the potential!

Henning need to go back to Pirelli, that he know and drives best with.

[meh]

Why choose Camilli for Finland in the new R5 Mk2?
They should have gone with a Finn to see the potential!

They had Suninen in Rally Estonia in that car. It didn't show any potential...

[RS]

Why choose Camilli for Finland in the new R5 Mk2?
They should have gone with a Finn to see the potential!

Katsuta is quite experienced on these type of roads I think. Tidemand might have been a good idea.

But Suninen drove it in Estonia and he was slow too.

[mknight]

Well the new Fiesta is indeed worrying, afaik running R5 is one of the main incomes for MSport (certainly on the rally part). Less income, less likely they will be competitive and afford good drivers on WRC level.

[RS]

Much of this season Veiby has been fastest of all the RC2 entries. I don't think he is as fast a driver as Kalle or Mads. So I'm guessing it may be the car that is substantially quicker.

(Thanks for the tip about Mlada)

My feeling is that the Fabia Evo is a step forward but not yet a big one. On gravel at least the drivers have been complaining about a loose rear end, so maybe there is some work to do. Kalle himself said he felt there is more speed in the car when the set up is right.

Also should consider, as Mirek pointed out, that Kalle is leading the category comfortably so no need to push too hard. Lindholm has nothing to lose.

[RS]

Well the new Fiesta is indeed worrying, afaik running R5 is one of the main incomes for MSport (certainly on the rally part). Less income, less likely they will be competitive and afford good drivers on WRC level.


I find it strange.. presumably they did back to back tests with the old car, and had a good idea of how that compared to the competition.

Did they rush the new car out before it was ready?

[mknight]

Maybe the tests didn't include fast/smooth gravel. Just slow/medium/wet and tarmac, which are conditions you find in GB.

[Eli]

I see it's raining in Jyväskylä, any chance of rain out in the stages?

[RS]

Maybe the tests didn't include fast/smooth gravel. Just slow/medium/wet and tarmac, which are conditions you find in GB.

There were very few testing videos of the new car, but they surely did some testing outside of the UK. I think there was a gravel test in Portugal and a tarmac one in (France?)

Campedelli in Rome a couple of weeks ago wasn’t too impressive either.

[T16]

What were Tommi’s words about Kris that were so bad and indicating he wasn’t part of the team next year?

[dimviii]

Campedelli in Rome a couple of weeks ago wasn’t too impressive either.

at start of rally was slow,but progressively got faster and did some top times

[mknight]

What were Tommi’s words about Kris that were so bad and indicating he wasn’t part of the team next year?

Nothing specific about him tbh.

Someone uploaded the interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AtWFfba6ZA&feature=youtu.be

[Franky]

Nothing specific about him tbh.

Someone uploaded the interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AtWFfba6ZA&feature=youtu.be

It looked more like Latvala and Meeke had ruined Tommi's party plans for Sunday.

[Mirek]

My feeling is that the Fabia Evo is a step forward but not yet a big one.

You can't expect big steps when the rules are as strict as they are and moreover unchanged for seven years. Everyone tried basically everything they could already and the steps forward can be logically only incremental (unless you fucked up the previous design of course).

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport
Day 2 - Afternoon

#Tyre info: all the Michelin @OfficialWRC
drivers with 5 MICHELIN LTX Force M6 (Medium)

[Fredouye]

Ogier in front of Mikkelsen

[KKS]

Oh Lappi on a run!!!

[krissucool]

Is Camilli a snail or is the Ford really this bad?

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen was again fast on the small road. Only Lappi was a tenth quicker

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A stage with a Citroen 1-2 ... who would've predict that.

And Ogier is using the upgraded front axel and Lappi isnt. Just shows a lot is personal preference or even psychological.

[Morte66]

Is Camilli a snail or is the Ford really this bad?

Bit of both?

[GravelBen]

And Ogier is using the upgraded front axel and Lappi isnt. Just shows a lot is personal preference or even psychological.

Definitely, confidence is a huge factor so whatever setup makes the driver confident is probably more important than the theoretical performance potential of the setup.

I think it was Colin McRae once said that the difference between the top 5 or so drivers on any given day was 95% confidence.

[Mirek]

Neuville trying Novikov on the jump?

This stage is definition of rally heaven :)

Hyundai with top speed only around 185 km/h?

[denkimi]

Definitely, confidence is a huge factor so whatever setup makes the driver confident is probably more important than the theoretical performance potential of the setup.

I think it was Colin McRae once said that the difference between the top 5 or so drivers on any given day was 95% confidence.
Confidence matters little on slow technical sections, but trusting it will stick makes a huge difference on fast flowing sections or jumps.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Proper Finland stage this... love it.

[steve.mandzij]

Shame that the lead battle had to end in a puncture... Latvala was proper flying today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Tanak's flying.

[Mirek]

Hyundai with top speed only around 185 km/h?

Tänak with 189 km/h on the same straight. Not that big difference after all.

[KKS]

Looks like Latvala on orders so far

[KKS]

Tänak with 189 km/h on the same straight. Not that big difference after all.
yesterday it was more cleaver. Hyundais was at 183kph at half of straight on a limiter

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak shows he has something extra when he wants to use it. Great job by Lappi made him use it.

[meh]

Shame that the lead battle had to end in a puncture... Latvala was proper flying today.

Puncture was a result of driving mistake.

[steve.mandzij]

Puncture was a result of driving mistake.It was more a recce misjudgment than a driving mistake; in any case, positive to see three drivers on the pace for so long. Happy to have Latvala back.

[mknight]

It's Finland, if Toyotas weren't on the pace here they might as well stop driving.

[erikli2]

It sounds on the commentators like the only reason for Teemu not being in the top is that he lost a splitter on Friday morning. Pretty sure there's bigger reasons for the lack of speed..

[Mirek]

Neuville with damaged suspension...

[Mirek]

It sounds on the commentators like the only reason for Teemu not being in the top is that he lost a splitter on Friday morning. Pretty sure there's bigger reasons for the lack of speed..

Neverthless he surely gets faster. This afternoon has not been bad.

[KKS]

hoho. Mikkelsen -2.6

[mknight]

It sounds on the commentators like the only reason for Teemu not being in the top is that he lost a splitter on Friday morning. Pretty sure there's bigger reasons for the lack of speed..

But it's one of the main issues with Finland, if you are a bit behind on Friday you get stuck roadcleaning (for 2 days) and it's basically over.

[Mirek]

Now it was 186 against 192 km/h on the same straight for Mikkelsen and Tänak.

[mknight]

Check how Tanak gained 0.5s in the last split which was basically just flat out with no braking.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi's still going for it !

[denkimi]

Seems like we'll have a real fight between Mikkelsen and ogier.

[KKS]

Good time by Mikkelsen showing that in big push mode - car can be fast. And seem clear Adamo idea: Andreas trying keep Ogier behind even if he might crash. As backup he has Breen who was swapped with Neuville anyway

[Mirek]

Check how Tanak gained 0.5s in the last split which was basically just flat out with no braking.

Lappi was even faster in the last split.

[TypeR]

nice to see happy and fast Lappi!

[Eli]

What a stage by Lappi, hats off! Exciting battle for fourth.

[Mirek]

Question: What did the boss tell you about the fight with Toyota?
Lappi: Beat them! :D

[mknight]

Clearly Latvala is under orders to Finish, which is perfectly sensible (for once) from Toyota.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML settling for the points.

[KKS]

'issue' for Latvala called - Tommi Makinen

[meh]

'issue' for Latvala called - Tommi Makinen

Latvala is driving like "contract axe" is behing neck. And it totally makes sense

[Mirek]

Now it was 186 against 192 km/h on the same straight for Mikkelsen and Tänak.

Rovanperä was on the RPM limiter on that straight which is 187 km/h with the Evo. Slightly more than Hyundai WRC.

[KKS]

Latvala is driving like "contract axe" is behing neck. And it totally makes sense
Meeke will taste a guillotine

[denkimi]

Question: What did the boss tell you about the fight with Toyota?
Lappi: Beat them! :D
Its great for us that citroen doesn't care about the manufacturers championship.

If he beats tanak, good for ogier.
If he crashes trying to, also good for ogier.
If he pushes tanak into some mistake or crash, even better for ogier.

The worst thing lappi can do for the team is staying second.

[KKS]

Rovanperä was on the RPM limiter on that straight. If they didn't change the gearing for the Evo (which is possible) they could actually be around as fast as Tänak on that straight. I guess this goes down to the fact that the engine doesn't need to battle the huge aero.
old Fabia not goes on revs limiter on that downhill straight

[Mirek]

old Fabia not goes on revs limiter on that downhill straight

I just editted my post. The Evo has slightly smaller top speed than the original Fabia. Approximately 187 for the Evo compared to 191 km/h for the older one. The older model has also somewhat weaker engine.

It was nice that they let a bit more time for the WRC2 as well because for example Gryazin is very spectacular driver.

[mknight]

Well I remember in 2017 Hyundai did like 185 ish on straights while Toyota was hitting 200.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Could be some very tricky and possibly cruel team orders to be decided by Hyundai & Citroen tomorrow.

[steve.mandzij]

JML settling for the points.I can't get any pointers for his tone with the live text. Is he sounding like he's meaning to slow down or is he frustrated at his lost time?

[krissucool]

He seems to be a bit frustrated but overall he is just analyzing why he is loosing time. Seems a bit surprised and says that it probably due to changed mentality after service. Tried to be a bit more careful and now cant find the pace anymore with the mentality shift.

[Mirek]

Big ruts on this stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm looking forward to the highlights tonight. WRC+ Live uses so much heli coverage that the jumps really dont show much. The views from stage-side cameras will be much more fun.

[steve.mandzij]

He seems to be a bit frustrated but overall he is just analyzing why he is loosing time. Seems a bit surprised and says that it probably due to changed mentality after service. Tried to be a bit more careful and now cant find the pace anymore with the mentality shift.Thanks :D

Good to hear. Hoping this is his catalyst to finish the season on a high.

[Mise]

Thanks :D

Good to hear. Hoping this is his catalyst to finish the season on a high.

It's not the finish of the seasons, it's "the not fuck it up from the start of the seasons"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier has done well after being so sick last night. Still in the battle with Mikkelsen.

[Mirek]

Loubet stopped

[Got Mail]

Loubet stopped

Been off and damaged the rear.

Lindholm also stopped in same stage.

[Mirek]

According to ewrc Lindholm's Polo suffered another suspension failure after jump (likely similar to Veiby in Portugal or Sardinia - I don't remember where it was):
https://i.imgur.com/88FpVjN.jpg

[Mirek]

Neuville pretending to be Novikov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMZLLQozaVQ

And some great stuff from Michelin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOkzLsFysFk

[EstWRC]

This guys aren’t normal https://www.instagram.com/p/B0s9ma1no8M/?igshid=5b28t3lkilzp

And what a rally indeed! The best

[T16]

Can anyone point me in the direction of the TV highlights in the UK tonight please?

I don't have BT sport.

Thanks in advance.

[HarriK]

Whatta day!!
We started from Päijälä1 "Veibys place" and Markkanen rolled heavily. Then moved 500m towards start and watched vetomies and got one rolled(Teppo)
Then to Pihlajakoski2 and almost saw Pajari rolled.
Then to Leustu2 and we saw Loubet way too much entering to corner (almost 50kmh too much speed) and it took over 6minutes to get him back to road.
Very much action but also wrc guys speed is amazing!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190803/bd70d0879717a3c5a52a896b41c71c27.jpg

[KKS]

He seems to be a bit frustrated but overall he is just analyzing why he is loosing time. Seems a bit surprised and says that it probably due to changed mentality after service. Tried to be a bit more careful and now cant find the pace anymore with the mentality shift.
What you expect to? That he directly say that have team-order for huge live auditory?
I think Tommi clearly explain after Meeke bad-luck