[WRC] Tour de Corse 2018 (Apr 5-8)

[PLuto]

I am surprised but I havent found a thread to Tour de Corse yet. So I will start a new one.

http://www.tourdecorse.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Logo-Tour-de-Corse-690x300-690x300.png

Rally will have a new sponsor this year - Corsica Linea.

[the sniper]

Rally will have a new sponsor this year - Corsica Linea.

Thank goodness for that...

[PLuto]

Thank goodness for that...

Why? You didnt liked energy drinks? ;)

[AnttiL]

A lot of new stages, or stages not used in a long time. Désert des Agriates was driven last in 1994 with another name, for instance. Also some stuff from the IRC/ERC years giving advantage for the drivers who were doing the round back then.

[Mintexmemory]

Also some stuff from the IRC/ERC years giving advantage for the drivers who were doing the round back then.
So that is Ogier, Neuville, Meeke, Breen and Bouffier

[er88]

So that is Ogier, Neuville, Meeke, Breen and BouffierNot Meeke or Seb. Can include Mikkelsen though

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[AnttiL]

SS2/4 has been driven by Sordo, Neuville, Mikkelsen, Bouffier and Breen in 2011-2013. The power stage ending was driven in 2008 with Latvala, Mikkelsen, Loeb and Østberg in WRC cars, Ogier in a S1600 Citroen. SS5/8 and the power stage's ending was also done in reverse in 2012, but that probably does not help at all.

[PLuto]

SS2/4 has been driven by Sordo, Neuville, Mikkelsen, Bouffier and Breen in 2011-2013. The power stage ending was driven in 2008 with Latvala, Mikkelsen, Loeb and Østberg in WRC cars, Ogier in a S1600 Citroen. SS5/8 and the power stage's ending was also done in reverse in 2012, but that probably does not help at all.

Do you think that driving one part of stage 10 years ago should help?

[leighton323]

Do you think that driving one part of stage 10 years ago should help?

Maybe not, but still an interesting piece of information none the less

[AnttiL]

Maybe not, but still an interesting piece of information none the less

Yeah, more of this. The drivers would have a set of old pace notes checked in competitive speed, but the roads could be fixed in 10 years.

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/status/972070150328512512

Lefebvre does TDC with the C3 R5

[SubaruNorway]

What's it like spectating in Corsica with marshals and amount of people, similar and relaxed like Sardinia?

This looks like a good excuse to get off work...
https://www.google.no/maps/@42.8936609,9.3242961,3a,75y,134.47h,81.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTfe8w4ESzwmRsN2IMqq5RQ!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

[Simmi]

What's it like spectating in Corsica with marshals and amount of people, similar and relaxed like Sardinia?

This looks like a good excuse to get off work...
https://www.google.no/maps/@42.8936609,9.3242961,3a,75y,134.47h,81.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTfe8w4ESzwmRsN2IMqq5RQ!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

Beautiful bit of road. I don't think that's the SS route though. I think it's slightly more inland on the D33.

I'm heading out there for the rally so I'd be interested to know the answer to SubaruNorway's question too. Don't want to get pinned in at a hairpin.

[Slazwierder]

What's it like spectating in Corsica with marshals and amount of people, similar and relaxed like Sardinia?
Never been to Corsica, but most rally's in France are very strict when it comes to security. Lots of "forbidden zones", marshalls and police.

[racerx1979]

So how crucial is start order for Corsica? I know the later cars will have more grip due the more rubber on the roads, but is there a lot of cutting in Corsica which can throw debris on the roads?

[AnttiL]

So how crucial is start order for Corsica? I know the later cars will have more grip due the more rubber on the roads, but is there a lot of cutting in Corsica which can throw debris on the roads?

AFAIK it's not as big of a deal as in Deutschland, for instance. Last year Meeke was the fastest starting sixth.

[AnttiL]

Here's my route preview for Tour de Corse 2018 https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/03/12/tour-de-corse-2018-route/

Very much new roads.

[RICARDO75]

Sébastien Ogier (FR) Ford Fiesta WRC
Elfyn Evans (GB) Ford Fiesta WRC
Bryan Bouffier (FR) Ford Fiesta WRC
Thierry Neuville (BE) Hyundai i20 coupe WRC
Andreas Mikkelsen (NO) Hyundai i20 coupe WRC
Dani Sordo (ES) Hyundai i20 coupe WRC
Jari-Matti Latvala (FI) Toyota Yaris WRC
Ott Tänak (EE) Toyota Yaris WRC
Esapekka Lappi (FI) Toyota Yaris WRC
Kris Meeke (GB) Citroën C3 WRC
Sébastien Loeb (FR) Citroën C3 WRC

Fabio Andolfi (IT) Skoda Fabia R5
Nil Solans (ES) Ford Fiesta R5
Hiroki Arai (JP) Ford Fiesta R5
Takamoto Katsuta (JP) Ford Fiesta R5
Pierre-Louis Loubet (FR) Hyundai i20 NG R5
Nicolas Ciamin (FR) Hyundai i20 NG R5
Stéphane Levebvre (FR) Citroën C3 R5
Guillaume de Mevius (BE) Peugeot 208 T16

[SubaruNorway]

Beautiful bit of road. I don't think that's the SS route though. I think it's slightly more inland on the D33.

I'm heading out there for the rally so I'd be interested to know the answer to SubaruNorway's question too. Don't want to get pinned in at a hairpin.

You're right, the view is almost just as good at the end there though :)

[mknight]

Corsica long-term prediction:

Meeke, Neuville and Ogier are clearly main favorites ( in no particular order).

Then there is a group of 3 jokers (again in no particular order):

Loeb, Sordo, Mikkelsen, Tanak

And additional joker is Evans who used to be much faster on tarmac than gravel, so with Michelins he could be high up.

Looks like it might be an exciting rally.

[turves]

I'm heading out there for the rally so I'd be interested to know the answer to SubaruNorway's question too. Don't want to get pinned in at a hairpin.

I went back in 2003 and wandered about freely. It may have changed since then of course.

[steve.mandzij]

Corsica long-term prediction:

Meeke, Neuville and Ogier are clearly main favorites ( in no particular order).

Then there is a group of 3 jokers (again in no particular order):

Loeb, Sordo, Mikkelsen, Tanak

And additional joker is Evans who used to be much faster on tarmac than gravel, so with Michelins he could be high up.

Looks like it might be an exciting rally.I'd genuinely replace Mikkelsen with Latvala in the joker list. A previous winner and fourth last year, PS winner too.

[AnttiL]

I think Toyota itself is a joker, how will that car work on tarmac? Of course we saw some of that in Monte on the dry stages, but TDC is still a bit different.

I think Ogier, Loeb, Meeke and Neuville are all contenders for the win, hard to decide who to put in the pickems.

[Simmi]

You're right, the view is almost just as good at the end there though :)

yeah I'm very tempted to head up for that stage. But I'm staying in Pietralba which is super close to the other two Saturday stages. They share a carpark at one point, and have a regroup between them, so depending on crowds it may be possible to do four stages that day.

[mknight]

I'd genuinely replace Mikkelsen with Latvala in the joker list. A previous winner and fourth last year, PS winner too.

That might have to do with you being a Latvala fan. Latvala in Toyota has yet to show rally winning speed on tarmac on any rally. Corsica with relatively low top speed didn't seem to suit them much last year.

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I don't put Loeb up in first group because on Tarmac he won't have any road position advantage and while he used to be best on tarmac it's also the surface where quick reactions matter a bit more than experience which counts against him.

If there is some rain he could be bigger favorite, but then is the question of C3 in slippery conditions.

[er88]

Have Citroen definitely not entered Breen? Or is the list above just speculation?

They were going to see if it was possible, and if they can't run a 3rd car on their home rally, it's pretty awful. With Meeke, Loeb and Breen (all good on tarmac), they'd have the chance for a superb team result.

[Coach 2]

That might have to do with you being a Latvala fan. Latvala in Toyota has yet to show rally winning speed on tarmac on any rally. Corsica with relatively low top speed didn't seem to suit them much last year.

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I don't put Loeb up in first group because on Tarmac he won't have any road position advantage and while he used to be best on tarmac it's also the surface where quick reactions matter a bit more than experience which counts against him.

If there is some rain he could be bigger favorite, but then is the question of C3 in slippery conditions.

When you talk about his lack of "quick reactions", du you think about turns with mud and gravel coming onto the tar, or in general.

[steve.mandzij]

That might have to do with you being a Latvala fan. Latvala in Toyota has yet to show rally winning speed on tarmac on any rally. Corsica with relatively low top speed didn't seem to suit them much last year.

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I don't put Loeb up in first group because on Tarmac he won't have any road position advantage and while he used to be best on tarmac it's also the surface where quick reactions matter a bit more than experience which counts against him.

If there is some rain he could be bigger favorite, but then is the question of C3 in slippery conditions.It's most likely my fandom :D

It's true he hasn't shown winning pace but he was decent last year in Corsica, fell foul to engine gremlins in Germany and retired after hitting something on the first day of Spain. It's a little uncertain at this point but he's no slouch. I suppose he could surprise us, especially if other drivers retire for whatever reason.

[mknight]

When you talk about his lack of "quick reactions", du you think about turns with mud and gravel coming onto the tar, or in general.

In general when you get older you get slower reactions, that's just how muscles and nerves. Driving on tarmac needs quicker reactions.

How much it affects Loeb now is just my pure speculation. Maybe it doesn't at all.

[Simmi]

Have Citroen definitely not entered Breen? Or is the list above just speculation?

They were going to see if it was possible, and if they can't run a 3rd car on their home rally, it's pretty awful. With Meeke, Loeb and Breen (all good on tarmac), they'd have the chance for a superb team result.

If they have entered him then Breen was doing a great job of acting when he was commentating at the weekend. Said it was going to be heartbreaking to miss the rally. And obviously the entrylist is closed now. So I don't think he's entered :(

[Tarmop]

One could argue that it`s really individual. Some 100 year old is more energetic than a fity year old etc.

[denkimi]

One could argue that it`s really individual. Some 100 year old is more energetic than a fity year old etc.
But the reactions of that energetic 100 year old person will be a lot slower than when that same person was 25.

[danon]

.. I don't put Loeb up in first group because on Tarmac he won't have any road position advantage and while he used to be best on tarmac it's also the surface where quick reactions matter a bit more than experience which counts against him.

If there is some rain he could be bigger favorite, but then is the question of C3 in slippery conditions.

https://youtu.be/G7rJPbPN50E

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list: http://www.tourdecorse.com/site/download/official_documents_uk/entry_list/Corsica-linea-Tour-de-Corse-2018-Entry-List.pdf

[BigWorm]

Are the entries closed? No M-Sport in WRC2?

[AnttiL]

Are the entries closed? No M-Sport in WRC2?

Closed. No Camilli but Greensmith is there outside WRC2. And Solans through M-Sport?

[BigWorm]

Closed. No Camilli but Greensmith is there outside WRC2. And Solans through M-Sport?

Of course, M-Sport prepared cars. But what I meant was the factory drivers ie. Camilli and Suninen who would be entered via M-Sport.

[mknight]

Getting closer, so a resurrection of the discussion:

In my view there are quite a few interesting things coming up:

Citroen - will the C3 (seemingly) still have upper hand on dry+clean tarmac like in Spain? I'd think so

Loeb - how will he compare to others without road position advantage but on historically his best surface. My guess is similar to Meeke, comparison with others will depend on cars. If they are roughly the same speed I think he will fight for podium, but not necessarily for win.

Meeke - will he keep it on the road without issues in case there is pressure from Loeb or others?

Evans - bad start of the season and now on a rally where he had best result before 2017. I'm a bit skeptical he would be in the top fight. But top 5 beating most of the 2nd drivers could be a goal.

Toyota - How did the car improve on slow-medium speed tarmac? I expect them to be able to fight in the top but not to be the fastest car.
Lappi - also quite bad start of season, how has his tarmac performance evolved if at all?

Hyundai - Have they got rid of the understeer issues they had in Spain? Maybe Corsica with lots of short turns instead of long ones will suit the car better even if they didn't?

[BigWorm]

What if Loeb and Meeke are 1st and 2nd comfortably, what would the team orders be? Let Loeb win and recieve great publicity or aid Meeke for a championship-chance (which is unlikely anyway...)?

[er88]

I expect a huge push from Seb Ogier for a multiple of reasons. First, it's another home event and he wouldn't have taken kindly to being outpaced by Meeke and Thierry here last year. He also didn't win a pure tarmac event last year which he'll want to put right. Of course the championship is the biggest reason overall he'll want to fight for the win, but make no mistake that Loeb being here fighting him in equal conditions (Loeb actually at a disadvantage if the roads get a bit dirty) will also add some more spice to the event. That 2nd day in Mexico was the best Ogier has driven in a long time imo and I think he relished Loeb being back.


Loeb's Mexico performance is very ominous however. He said before the event he wasn't sure how he'd be on gravel after so long away, but sounded confident about his prospects on tarmac. Surely he will be even more confident now after showing in Mexico he is still on the pace. The C3 was on for the win here last year with Meeke until it blew up, and Loeb is the GOAT so I'm sure he can be one of the 4 drivers who can win. Meeke, Ogier and Neuville the others. Sordo, Evans, Tanak and Mikkelsen probably in the next batch just a bit behind if I was to guess.

[mknight]

What if Loeb and Meeke are 1st and 2nd comfortably, what would the team orders be? Let Loeb win and recieve great publicity or aid Meeke for a championship-chance (which is unlikely anyway...)?

100% sure they will let Loeb win.

All the plans from Citroen this season are about maximum publicity for least amount of money. Loeb winning gives maximum publicity, Meeke winning WDC is extremely uncertain prospect and possibly also gives less publicity even if it happens.


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Agree about Ogier, it was quite clear his motivation went up 2-3 times the normal level when Loeb was ahead of him in Mexico.

[Tarmop]

Yaris itself was actually quite ok, when its drivers were up to the job and not battling with themselves/health/setups/ditches. Both placed several Top 3 stage times+ JML won the powerstage.
JH: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36015-che-guevara-energy-drink-tour-de-corse-2017/1414351/
JML: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36015-che-guevara-energy-drink-tour-de-corse-2017/1414350/

[mknight]

Yaris itself was actually quite ok, when its drivers were up to the job and not battling with themselves/health/setups/ditches. Both placed several Top 3 stage times+ JML won the powerstage.
JH: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36015-che-guevara-energy-drink-tour-de-corse-2017/1414351/
JML: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36015-che-guevara-energy-drink-tour-de-corse-2017/1414350/

Quite ok yes, but clearly behind Meeke (Citroen), Ogier (Ford) and both Neuville and Sordo (Hyundai). Barely kept ahead of Breen (2nd Citroen). Tanak (2nd Ford) was also ahead before crashing. That does make it the slowest car of the 4.

Also last years powerstage had quite different character than the rest of the rally.

[AnttiL]

Also, Latvala is good at power stages, he was pushing to catch Breen, whereas Neuville probably wanted to secure his first win of the year and Ogier had mechanical problems.

[Tarmop]

Quite ok yes, but clearly behind Meeke (Citroen), Ogier (Ford) and both Neuville and Sordo (Hyundai). Barely kept ahead of Breen (2nd Citroen). Tanak (2nd Ford) was also ahead before crashing. That does make it the slowest car of the 4.

Also last years powerstage had quite different character than the rest of the rally.

That`s the part where drivers come into play and why we didn`t see the cars own full potential.

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZYTi_yVMAAuZTC.jpg

Neuville's gone off while testing

[AL14]

is he ok?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZYbxsxWkAAt36M?format=jpg&name=small

[Simmi]

Hope someone films them trying to drag the car out of there. Interesting project.

[AnttiL]

Confirmed on twitter that they are OK

[EstWRC]

Wow that’s a huge crash. Glad they are ok.

[Gregor-y]

Neuville was lucky he could shoot the gap. If he was wider those weeds wouldn't have stopped the car and it would have landed on its nose or roof.

[racerx1979]

Wow, that's a scary crash. The guard rail would have been worse depending on how fast he was going.

Glad they're okay! The car is totaled.

[the sniper]

Glad they're okay! The car is totaled.

Seemingly not according to 'a source' telling David Evans/Autosport:

A source told Autosport: "The car suffered some bodywork [damage] to the front.

"The bonnet took a hit and there might have been some engine damage, but they [Neuville and co-driver Nicolas Gilsoul] were out of the car straight away - with wet feet.

"It wasn't a very big deal, probably the hardest thing for the team might be getting the car out of the river."

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135091/test-crash-leaves-neuville-hyundai-in-river

[Andre Oliveira]

Ridiculous

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZbloMOW4AA60vb?format=jpg&name=large

[Franky]

Why do guys use those stupid overlays?

[Hartusvuori]

Wow, that's a scary crash. The guard rail would have been worse depending on how fast he was going.

Glad they're okay! The car is totaled.

Judging from the pictures it's far from totalled. Rollcage damage is of course impossible to tell without closer look, but car seems relatively ok. It only looks dramatic as it's such a drop from the road.

[dupanton]

Judging from the pictures it's far from totalled. Rollcage damage is of course impossible to tell without closer look, but car seems relatively ok. It only looks dramatic as it's such a drop from the road.

Belgian media even reported it was incredible they escaped this crash. Looks spectacular, but probably wasn't at high speed.

[Hartusvuori]

Belgian media even reported it was incredible they escaped this crash. Looks spectacular, but probably wasn't at high speed.

Here is the corner: https://youtu.be/Ocg3yx0nCeg?t=2m20s

[satukata]

Any info Ogiers timepenalty in Rally Mexico? Is it allready decided?

[dimviii]

Bengue as ''0'' car with c3 r5 at Corsica.

[dimviii]

Ciamin testing for Corsica
https://youtu.be/hzI7VkX-zvs

[RS]

Ridiculous

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZbloMOW4AA60vb?format=jpg&name=large

I feel I need to hear what NOT has to say about this..

[Gregor-y]

But his nose isn't dribbling.

[wrc2017]

Judging from the pictures it's far from totalled. Rollcage damage is of course impossible to tell without closer look, but car seems relatively ok. It only looks dramatic as it's such a drop from the road.
id say engine and gearbox trash in nose landing, and 2 chassis legs like a banana.. so almost scrap

[wrc2017]

Ridiculous

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZbloMOW4AA60vb?format=jpg&name=large
has he the mental age of -2 ?

[Franky]

I feel I need to hear what NOT has to say about this..

I suspect that dr. N.O.T would call the diagnosis "sick dog"

[racerx1979]

id say engine and gearbox trash in nose landing, and 2 chassis legs like a banana.. so almost scrap

Exactly.. None of the drivetrain or chassis components can be reused.

[Tarmop]

Umm, worse looking cars have been restored and it is a test car afterall. Apart from front left the chassis looks pretty much ok, even wheels are almost straight. Some new bits and pulling and goes again.

(That ofc is just my opinion, based on a picture and after seeing and working with some crashed road and purpose-built cars, but it is as good as saying "totaled" after seeing a picture.)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZhx-u0XUAAQwzK.jpg

[Mirek]

Hopefully the car works better than it looks.

[Andre Oliveira]

Something goes really wrong if C3 will not be the best R5. It is the first second generation R5 model.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just because a car is the newest doesn't automatically mean it will be the best and fastest...

The Fiesta and Fabia are very tough competition with many Team's having huge experience running them and data from so many events.

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29573247_922015487979900_6691131115828954326_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=5f5530d8d4141123df233b2767cc2db5&oe=5B2D4D86

[steve.mandzij]

Hopefully the car works better than it looks.With Lefebvre behind the wheel we might never know...

[dimviii]

http://media.citroenracing.com/en/citroën-c3-wrc-heads-hills?idtok=4e1e7bbb3975

[dimviii]

Loeb's arrival at the test was delayed by team commitments in France, meaning he completed only a day and a half of running.
"The test was OK," said the Frenchman, who won in Corsica four times from 2005-08. "It went well.
"The feeling from the car was quite good, it helped to have driven the car in Mexico, even if it was on gravel - I was a bit more used to the car than the first gravel test.
"It's actually easier [to get used to the car on asphalt] because I was a little bit used to it.
"There was a bit of understeering for me, we [will] try to work on this, but otherwise the feeling was OK.
"After the first run I immediately started to work on finding a better set-up for me and after the third or the fourth run, the feeling was quite good and we try to then make some little adjustments.
"I didn't need to make any big changes to the car for me.
"I found the set-up quite quickly, but then I tried some other set-ups to check some different feelings from the car and to try to prepare for different conditions."
Loeb's late arrival meant Kris Meeke picked up an extra morning of running before handing the C3 over to his team-mate, and Loeb said the working with the Northern Irishman was simplifying the set-up.
"My settings for the car are close to Kris," he said.
"The diff is the same, but I am a bit different in roll bar and springs - the rest is quite similar."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135112/loeb-corsica-preparation-more-straightforward

[JUF]

Hopefully the car works better than it looks.

Well, the car looks good to me :).

[AnttiL]

Phil Mills co-driving for Evans. Barrit hasn’t recovered yet

https://twitter.com/msportltd/status/980073223307001856

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Phil Mills co-driving for Evans. Barrit hasn’t recovered yet


https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135121/mills-to-codrive-evans-at-corsica-wrc-round

[Mirek]

Some slush is still present on Corsican roads...

[dupanton]

De Mevius crashed in Corsica PET. Ended up 80m lower but crew is OK.

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29573190_1885132951777161_7412912697227461448_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=67b59f63e3a930df6a2190e49e91e3a6&oe=5B39A518

No Corsica for him I guess :)

[PLuto]

Second destroyed Peugeot from him in a very short time...

[stefanvv]

De Mevius crashed in Corsica PET. Ended up 80m lower but crew is OK.

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29573190_1885132951777161_7412912697227461448_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=67b59f63e3a930df6a2190e49e91e3a6&oe=5B39A518

No Corsica for him I guess :)

It says "Total" on the bonnet.

[dupanton]

Second destroyed Peugeot from him in a very short time...

Yes it was just rebuild after his crash in Spa. Was ready a couple of days ago...

[Jarek Z]

Second destroyed Peugeot from him in a very short time...

That's what happens when skills are lower than the speed of the car...

[PLuto]

That's what happens when skills are lower than the speed of the car...

Too early in WRC, he doesnt have enough experience, not ready yet.

[Andre Oliveira]

3rd “victim”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZz2tYSWAAANLAH?format=jpg&name=medium

[the sniper]

Katsuta or Arai?

[Andre Oliveira]

Katsuta

[Hartusvuori]

Katsuta

They will start the event normally.

[EstWRC]

so, rallying week...Martin Holmes preview https://rallysportmag.com/preview-corsica-linea-tour-de-corse-wrc4/

for the win i expect these guys: Ogier, Neuville, Meeke and Loeb...then in the next group are Latvala and Mikkelsen and then all the rest in no particular order.

I just checked the past results and noticed that usuallyverygoodontarmac Sordo hasnt gone well on this event, same goes for Tänak who just cant get grips with this rally and i expect Latvala to be faster than him all the weekend. Lappi just doesnt have the experience.

Dont know what to expect from Bouffier. Evans has been strong on this event and he really likes it but he has been kind of disappointing this season so far.

[Andre Oliveira]

Sordo won it, with Mini on IRC.

[EstWRC]

yesh but that was long time ago...i meant the results from 2015 to 2017.

[EstWRC]

i say this thread needs pictures

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ4MQ3hXcAAfc43.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3x0RWWkAANGnY.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3xyuIX0AAwHGL.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3xzcRW0AAYvD9.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ3U2wXVMAAvIv8.jpg

[Mirek]

I can see the C3 R5 uses same front strut layout as the asphalt spec. WRC (Fabia R5 style). Something still looks weird on the picture. Don't the front brake discs look too small on the C3 R5? Anyway the brake caliper position is different than in the WRC (likely due to aerodynamic/cooling situation).

[jparker]

... Something still looks weird on the picture. Don't the front brake discs look too small on the C3 R5?
You have to zoom up to see the entire disk. The outer part is darker.

[dimviii]

at French forum they wrote that Neuvile had a hard collision at recce too

[dimviii]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180404/297815b24ffd8dfc10c0794c60bde4e4.jpg

[racerx1979]

at French forum they wrote that Neuvile had a hard collision at recce too

Better to get 2 of your 4-5 crashes of the year taken care of before the rally.

[EstWRC]

Morning, seems a bit damp?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ_uyDPWkAE24dQ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ_24uDW0AISbwD.jpg

[EstWRC]

live https://www.facebook.com/pg/Rallye.Sport.fr/videos/?ref=page_internal


definitely a little damp it seems

[AnttiL]

Meeke opened 2 secs faster than the Hyundai trio

[Lead]

Whats the best place to follow the shakedown results?

[EstWRC]

Whats the best place to follow the shakedown results?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/44258-corsica-linea-tour-de-corse-2018/

[AnttiL]

First round. Quite big gaps, but Toyotas (and Loeb) within one tenth.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ_6jWkXkAAWnxu.jpg

[racerx1979]

8 seconds between Meeke and JML, Loeb, Lappi and Tanak... Did it start raining or is Meeke just going all out?

[irish_tiger]

at French forum they wrote that Neuvile had a hard collision at recce too

Any more information about this ? In the BMW Recce car so , was he obeying the speed limits

[AnttiL]

Any more information about this ? In the BMW Recce car so , was he obeying the speed limits

Maybe someone just mixed up the test accident with recce?

Although, Gilsoul posted this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ8d3OfX4AAOy0D.jpg

[racerx1979]

[QUOTE=irish_tiger;1177745]Any more information about this ? In the BMW Recce car so , was he obeying the speed limits[/QUOTE

What happens if he was going faster than the speed limit during recce?

[EstWRC]

times dropping already...only Loeb has made a better time than first pass.

[AnttiL]

times dropping already...only Loeb has made a better time than first pass.

And that's due to him still learning the car. But the road probably getting dirtier or damper.

[AMSS]

Not that it has to mean anything as it`s only SD but all Toyotas quit equal and also slowest (not counting Bouffier)

[EstWRC]

on both runs the Toyotas were one of the last ones.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaADjlGX4AAGrL2.jpg

[AnttiL]

No wonder the times are slowing down

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaAASXzX0AAE8ei.jpg

[racerx1979]

Seems like road position has something to do with it? Not everyone going for a third pass?? road too messy..

[AnttiL]

Seems like road position has something to do with it? Not everyone going for a third pass?? road too messy..

Everyone has to do three passes? They're back for setup changes?

[EstWRC]

the best indicator how much dirtier the road has become is Mikkelsens second pass. He went straight to service after the first pass and did his second pass when all the others hade made their second one and some even third one and his second pass is 8 seconds slower then first one.

[AnttiL]

the best indicator how much dirtier the road has become is Mikkelsens second pass. He went straight to service after the first pass and did his second pass when all the others hade made their second one and some even third one and his second pass is 8 seconds slower then first one.

Or Meeke's third pass.

[EstWRC]

whats the weather forecast btw?

[racerx1979]

No rain. Sunny tomorrow and Sat with a few clouds on Sunday.

[dimviii]

the best indicator how much dirtier the road has become is Mikkelsens second pass. He went straight to service after the first pass and did his second pass when all the others hade made their second one and some even third one and his second pass is 8 seconds slower then first one.

any moaning from Ogier about starting position that handiccaps him?

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/Rallye.Sport.fr/videos/10155423001510754/?notif_id=1522910008028361&notif_t=live_video_invite

[EstWRC]

not yet!

[wrc2017]

if you discount Meeke, you would say Hyundai have made massive steps, and are going to dominate the rally.

[dimviii]

At 8am, the serious things started with Thierry Neuville directly in action, followed by his two teammates, Dani Sordo and Andreas Mikkelsen!

On a wet road, but still clean, Kris Meeke confirms his good feeling in Corsica by signing the best reference for more than 2.2 seconds ahead of the three Hyundai I20 Coupe WRC.

The road conditions are changing very quickly this morning, following the rain yesterday. The mud comes out of the ropes in which the pilots throw themselves gaily and the times do not improve with the passages! In the second pass, only Sébastien Loeb improved his lap and climbed to seventh at 5.6 seconds behind his teammate.

At 8:45, the shakedown is temporarily interrupted due to the misplacement of some spectators. A security helicopter is coming in right now. Michèle Mouton, safety manager at the FIA, is also at work! After about twenty minutes of floating, the situation returns to normal!

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/classement-shakedown-tour-de-corse-2018/

[dimviii]

Loeb
https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/981789491026423808

Lappi
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/981800906806169600

Mikkelsen
https://twitter.com/RallyRACC/status/981790789696196608

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/981803359681372160

Neuville
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/981801888344694785

[dupanton]

Impressive time by Radstrom in JWRC and surprisingly Pieniazek is fastest in WRC2 at the moment. I know, it's only shakedown, but still.

[EstWRC]

ewrc doesnt show it but Tänaks third pass is 4.07.9 (according to estonian media)...Ogier still hasnt completed his third one.

[RS]

No C3 R5s?

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaAYJcxXUAAc_nO.jpg

Ken Torn off

[Mirek]

No C3 R5s?

There were some issues during the scrutineering. I don't know if they managed to pass or not.

[Hartusvuori]

https://twitter.com/CallumDevine27/status/981795674953015296

[JUF]

There were some issues during the scrutineering. I don't know if they managed to pass or not. Would be embarrassing if they didn't... :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen:
#TourdeCorse shakedown✅, 2nd fastest time for us. First run in good contidions, after that a lot of gravel on the road, so not so representative for the rally. https://t.co/j6ul4Qq0Vn

[EstWRC]

all of a sudden Evans makes 4.07.3 on his 6th pass.

[dimviii]

all of a sudden Evans makes 4.07.3 on his 6th pass.

its drying
any news about c3 r5?

[Hartusvuori]

ewrc doesnt show it but Tänaks third pass is 4.07.9 (according to estonian media)...Ogier still hasnt completed his third one.

He did fourth run too, 4.08,3.

[EstWRC]

Yes, ewrc has finally updated the times

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Extra SD runs by Evans to help Phil Mills to adapt.

[br21]

I saw C3R5s waiting for re-scrutineering some hour ago

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29695268_10157312750851632_1366104151031603608_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeFX9Xtlbd_fwIAQtCb_qYWTfBQ7yDBkYrTG QT_qoeBZHienSycP7KmeUgECFavdzVlLxakLiNYMMqJvFeC6IE aIMBRftpJ0C4KX346yrUNzoQ&oh=9cbdd247f6e6be8500eff9361e7292df&oe=5B649EFF

Hyundai
https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/981834089165664258

[dimviii]

Solans
https://twitter.com/RallyRACC/status/981844025287299079

michelin photos
https://business.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.934723590032318.1073741979.241392896032061&type=1&l=96acd6fd89

[EstWRC]

looks like the other guys are already concerned. "Not again"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaA5ON4WsAEdkX3.jpg

[dimviii]

c3 r5 going for shake finally

Citroën Racing

Let’s the Shakedown starts for our brand new C3 R5!
#WRC #C3R5 #tourdecorse

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/status/981850149587771392

[Rallyper]

looks like the other guys are already concerned. "Not again"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaA5ON4WsAEdkX3.jpg

"Not again" what? Stupid questions? Excuse my slowlyness ...

[dimviii]

Lefebvre with amazing time but after so many time cant compare.Almost 2 seconds from Greensmith,and faster from Bouffier.

[dimviii]

Bonato also fast with 3rd time at wrc2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First pass in Shakedown and alreday the quickest time for @SLefebvreRallye and @moreaugabin!
#WRC2 #C3R5 #tourdecorse https://t.co/tcjzrjK9ia

[dimviii]

Lefebvre even faster for 2nd pass

[Zeakiwi]

looks like the other guys are already concerned. "Not again"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaA5ON4WsAEdkX3.jpg

Journalist question - 'How many minutes do you expect to win by this weekend? Mr Loeb'

[dimviii]

Carlocanovarallye
‏


@canovarallye

There was a secon omologation visit, documents was not compketed with all visits. Citroen had made new omologation docs and sended by helicopter to bastia service Lefebvre at first passage SD 11 time

[dimviii]

Bonato 1,2 sec from Lefebvre at his 2nd pass

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The WRC paddock is wary of Sebastien Loeb's potential ahead of this weekend's round in Corsica
https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/loeb-among-corsica-favourites-reckon-rivals/

When asked what he expected from his countryman and rival, M-Sport Ford’s Sebastien Ogier told MN: “[Mexico] was not bad for him and on Tarmac he is strong also – he did some rallies [on asphalt] so he’ll have the rhythm again.

“Possibly he can be even stronger in Corsica. We definitely need to show we have improved our car because the C3 last year was untouchable on Tarmac.”

[dodge33cymru]

No mind games there then - I clearly remember all the rallies Citroen won on tarmac last year...

Not to mention, the advantageous start position in Mexico is the opposite here.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/corsica_linea_tour_de_corse_2018/hfr_dsc_1126-edit.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44258-corsica-linea-tour-de-corse-2018/515/

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/kfYFllfn1UU

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/mFMbSYU8W34

michelin video
https://youtu.be/SyMhV8jawyQ

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaCXQCHV4AA-mr0?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

photos
https://www.facebook.com/pg/timoanisphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1659239550822607

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZXzKKqaUbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0GnJ696sI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTF7y0xLSUw

[dimviii]

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-tour-de-corse-press-conference

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/DanielElenaOfficiel/videos/1915021608548713/


Jari-Matti Latvala

Jari-Matti Latvala Retweeted Miikka Anttila
Miikka is taking the start of his 197th #WRC event in Corsica! Means that he gets the record of #WRC starts just in front of Carlos Sainz (196)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/30052057_2087115577984525_2489666813028226636_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=3e6be60bb950b552861f3f5caabbdd43&oe=5B6E7A9A&dl=1

[cosmin_sb]

Latvala has 185 starts in WRC. He is on 3rd position behind Sainz 196 and Solberg 188

[dimviii]

nice weather at ss1
https://twitter.com/TourdeCorseWRC/status/982134655896842241

[dimviii]

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/46/73/WRC-Rallye-Korsika-2018-039_467306_5ac615232.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/46/72/WRC-Rallye-Korsika-2018-018_467259_5ac5f2477.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/46/72/WRC-Rallye-Korsika-2018-001_467261_5ac5f247d.jpg

[Lousada]

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/46/72/WRC-Rallye-Korsika-2018-018_467259_5ac5f2477.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/46/72/WRC-Rallye-Korsika-2018-001_467261_5ac5f247d.jpg

The photographers are not even bothering with cars anymore?

[racerx1979]

Amazing roads. I think I might visit Corsica this year.

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport

#tyre info - Day 1 Morning: All Michelin #WRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport Hard (H5) #TourdeCorse

[EstWRC]

a little delay already it seems

[Lead]

Ok, it seems we are underway!

[Rallyper]

Good morning friends! Exciting day ahead.

[HaCo]

Morning :-D

[Integrale]

Spin already for Mikkelsen in first corner. Neuville ran pretty wide there too.

[KKS]

Neuville little overshot first hairpin and Mikkelsen spun at same place

[AnttiL]

Ogier was also a bit wide there already

[KKS]

Looks like Meeke didn't push compare to Nueville

[Rallyper]

Why on earth does Meeke need to brake with both feet? Left foot would be enought to me.

[EstWRC]

Neuville +5 in spl2 to Ogier

[Rallyper]

My coins isn´t on JML, but really hope he´ll do a top job.

[mknight]

Why on earth does Meeke need to brake with both feet? Left foot would be enought to me.

He used right foot so that he could move left and push the clutch in the hairpin.

[KKS]

splits table
http://webappsdata.wrc.com/web/classification/classification.html?%7B%22event%22:%7B%22eventid%2 2:%22209a7294-32ec-489e-bd86-14488dcc3f14%22%7D%7D

[EstWRC]

Ott +0.3 to Meeke in spl1

[racerx1979]

Never mind.. found the link thanks

[EstWRC]

Meeke +0.8 slowet than Ogier in second split

[dimviii]

again problems with splits?

[Mirek]

What is that +4 minutes for Ogier on splits? A glitch I guess, or?

[EstWRC]

What is that +4 minutes for Ogier on splits? A glitch I guess, or?

its his second split

[dimviii]

splits table
http://webappsdata.wrc.com/web/classification/classification.html?%7B%22event%22:%7B%22eventid%2 2:%22209a7294-32ec-489e-bd86-14488dcc3f14%22%7D%7D

doesnt work for me.

[Rallyper]

He used right foot so that he could move left and push the clutch in the hairpin.

Aaahh. Good answer. But didn´t see it. But for sure the reason.

[salamaja]

doesnt work for me.

Click the arrow on that page.

[Mirek]

its his second split

That's quite weird way of presenting the data.

[mknight]

That's quite weird way of presenting the data.

Well Lappi's first split on live maps says "2:60.0"

[EstWRC]

Meeke 5 seconds slower than Ogier in split 3..Neuville and Mikkelsen way slower, +10 secs basically

[dimviii]

Click the arrow on that page.

thanks mate,but these guys are really useless.
The presentation is garbage.

[EstWRC]

Ogier is waaay faster than others at the moment.

[salamaja]

thanks mate,but these guys are really useless.
The presentation is garbage.

True.

[mknight]

Quite different road character on the last 1/3 of the stage. Let's see if the split trends change.

[KKS]

Just remind - michelin splits https://www.facebook.com/michelinmotorsport/app/137541772984354/

[Mirek]

Just remind - michelin splits https://www.facebook.com/michelinmotorsport/app/137541772984354/

Finally something which works for us at work who can't watch live. Thanks

[BigWorm]

Seb is already destroying everyone.

[EstWRC]

Seb is already destroying everyone.

totally...

[mknight]

Seb is already destroying everyone.

I don't see any splits on Loeb :D

[salamaja]

Just remind - michelin splits https://www.facebook.com/michelinmotorsport/app/137541772984354/

Direct without fb - https://michelinmotorsport.com/Evenement/2018-Tour-de-Corse

[EstWRC]

Lappi faster than Latvala, wtf

[Fast Eddie WRC]

totally...

And having some problems on hairpins !

[er88]

What's Neuville saying?

[Integrale]

"My French isn't that good." Well shut up then woman! Mine is! :)

What I understood is that the car is going in all directions, and he also said something about understeer.

[BigWorm]

What's Neuville saying?

No grip

[EstWRC]

im dying to see Loebs splits...

[Mirek]

Now Michelin splits crashed too...

[EstWRC]

Loeb coming in same speed as Meeke

[dimviii]

why no splits for Loeb?

[racerx1979]

Loeb closest to Ogier so far :)

[BigWorm]

im dying to see Loebs splits...

According to Becs, Loeb was -0.4 on Ogier at 11km

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Roads already dirty for Meeke..

[dimviii]

Roads already dirty for Meeke..

probably for Loeb too.

[EstWRC]

not bad at all Ott!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

probably for Loeb too.

Exactly.

[A FONDO]

probably for Loeb too.

Come on :laugh:

[wwbroe]

I am not hearing any complaints from Ogier about position on the road now

[dimviii]

Come on :laugh:

what is the road getting clearer ?

[EstWRC]

I am not hearing any complaints from Ogier about position on the road now

cant watch it with sound at the moment but i read that many drivers having problems with the standing water pulled on the road?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great time Mr Loeb !

[dimviii]

totally different league the 2 Sebs.

[wwbroe]

cant watch it with sound at the moment but i read that many drivers having problems with the standing water pulled on the road?

That is correct, Meeke was the first one to complain about dirtier road

[EstWRC]

what a huge gaps already after the first stage.

[tomhlord]

Ogier is just a god. Simple as that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Decent time by Evans and Mills.

[wwbroe]

Decent time by Evans and Mills.
They lost quite a lot of time in the second part of the stage

[mknight]

what a huge gaps already after the first stage.

Yes but without spilts it can turn around again.

Anyway one way to look at standings now is that Ogier vs Loeb vs Tanak are about as expected.
Meeke (vs Ogier and Tanak), all Hyundais and Latvala are quite a lot slower than expected.

[racerx1979]

Ogier is just a god. Simple as that.

Long ways to go. I would call Loeb a god as well.

[Tarmop]

Ogier is just a god. Simple as that.

Not so much, if watching what other Seb did....

[Eli]

Loeb in his starting position making everyone look like a bunch of amatuers.

[dimviii]

Loeb Sébastien - Elena Daniel
"There was a lot of gravel on the road, I tried to go faster but it was difficult to know if I was in the rhythm or not."

[A FONDO]

Loeb Sébastien - Elena Daniel
"There was a lot of gravel on the road, I tried to go faster but it was difficult to know if I was in the rhythm or not."

#6
Sordo Dani - Del Barrio Carlos
"It is quite dirty in places, but it is not so bad."

[Mintexmemory]

I am not hearing any complaints from Ogier about position on the road now

I am hearing complaints about no complaints though ;)

[Vincemon1285]

It´s men to boys, the Sébastians are making the others drivers look bad..

[Mirek]

Katsuta crashed, veiby spun. Solans also missing.

[dimviii]

Bonato same time as Kopecky.Wait Lefebvre to be faster

edit Lefebvre 1 minute slower.

[TWRC]

Lefebvre with bad time too, Bonato close to Kopecký

[Mirek]

Lefebvre without brakes. Could be a result of too aggressive driving.

[Mirek]

Ciamin also in trouble.

[dimviii]

Lefebvre without brakes. Could be a result of too aggressive driving.

Bonato time seems that c3 r5 is a good car vs Kopecky .Lets wait for more stages though.

[dimviii]

Ciamin also in trouble.

at French forum wrote that he has a bended rear wheel

[ESTR]

Lefebvre without brakes. Could be a result of too aggressive driving.

No his French ego talking how he will be fastest all weekend. Althoutgh he prove that he is good for nothing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@CitroenRacing
For its first stage ever, #C3R5 only 3 tenth behind the fastest time in WRC2 @SLefebvreRallye lost the brakes

12. Kopecky +1:58.3
1️⃣3️⃣ @yoannbonato + 1:58.6
...
2⃣0⃣ @SLefebvreRallye +3:07.7
#WRC2 #TourdeCorse https://t.co/6IiC8HAglZ

[wwbroe]

Ogier not moving on rallymaps halfway trough stage 2?