[WRC] Neste Rally Finland 26 - 29 July 2018

[AnttiL]

The route will be announced 6th March. The organizers have said before there will be less (but some) chicanes, and today's annoucement says the route should be more tailored to the modern WRC cars. Also it's revealed that the route will go to the Äänekoski and Laukaa areas, thus most likely having the same stages as 2017 Friday afternoon. Laukaa and Lankamaa would have a slightly lower average speed anyway.

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/info/uutiset/neste-rallin-reitti-paljastaa-salansa-yleisolle-6.3/

[Rallyper]

Vihdoinkin!!

[AnttiL]

Rumor has it that there's no Ouninpohja this year, instead something like the Kakaristo stage from 2008/2014. In fact, no surprise considering the average speeds of that stage, 135 km/h last year even with three chicanes

[EstWRC]

What??? Why?? Did Anttik7 reported about it to FIA?

[AnttiL]

What??? Why?? Did Anttik7 reported about it to FIA?

yes, along with his complaint about the noise of group b cars, which were then banned

[AnttiL]

Rumors of Ruuhimäki as power stage. Would be an excellent choice. Also would mean a new shakedown stage, hopefully Saalahti or some proper stage, not Laajavuori

[EstWRC]

i dont remember if i have been on Saalahti but if they keep Ruuhimäki as a power stage i would be very happy....it is an great stage.

[SubaruNorway]

Saalahti isen't very good in my opinion, not for video at least.
Muurame was better and would be cool to see these cars at the sideways jump!

[Allez Andruet]

Ruuhimäki would be a terrific choice for PS. With all the jumps the stage is pretty much a definition of what the "1000 Lakes" is all about.

[AnttiL]

Saalahti isen't very good in my opinion, not for video at least.
Muurame was better and would be cool to see these cars at the sideways jump!

Muurame, you mean the 2010 shakedown, Rannankyläntie? It has been never driven in the actual rally though.

[pantealex]

Muurame, you mean the 2010 shakedown, Rannankyläntie? It has been never driven in the actual rally though.

Muurame is probably shakedown this year also.

[AnttiL]

Muurame is probably shakedown this year also.

Just added the 2010 version to rally-maps https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-2010/Shakedown-Muurame

[Rallyper]

Muurame 2010 SD was the year when it was hot, hot, hot weather! Man, remember staying the night before SD at camping near junction. No sleeping bag needed.

[Hartusvuori]

Muurame 2010 SD was the year when it was hot, hot, hot weather! Man, remember staying the night before SD at camping near junction. No sleeping bag needed.That day, July 29th 2010, is the hottest day recorded in Finland, 37,2 celcius in Eastern Finland, Liperi. I think in Jyväskylä it was around 36 degrees. The next night it all erupted in a big thunderstorm. I remember hearing over 50 trees fallen over Myhinpää stage. In the morning they put two forestry machine, one from each end to work and it was all clear by the time of the stage. All phone and data were dead on afternoon loop.

Rannankylä in Muurame hasn't been used since because some of the locals are opposed to it. Would be happy if that has changed since.

[Rallyper]

That day, July 29th 2010, is the hottest day recorded in Finland, 37,2 celcius in Eastern Finland, Liperi. I think in Jyväskylä it was around 36 degrees. The next night it all erupted in a big thunderstorm. I remember hearing over 50 trees fallen over Myhinpää stage. In the morning they put two forestry machine, one from each end to work and it was all clear by the time of the stage. All phone and data were dead on afternoon loop.

Rannankylä in Muurame hasn't been used since because some of the locals are opposed to it. Would be happy if that has changed since.

Yep. And Konnevesi was out of power, when I arrived one hour before Sirkkamäki stage. Still got a cup of coffee and sandwich at lokal Kahvila. They had propane for heating water.

[EstWRC]

Valentine’s Day offer http://moottoriurheilukauppa.fi/product/1895

Ordered mine.

[CWJ]

Try code LOVE for 50% off at Finnlines ferries today as well

[Rallyper]

Try code LOVE for 50% off at Finnlines ferries today as well

I find Finnlines 100% more expensive than Viking Line.

[MYS]

Any news about the stages for this Year? We are planning trip from Czech republic and cannot wait for that :) Hope for Urria, Jukojarvi and Ouninpohja in classic format :) Muurame Shakedown would be amazing. Anybody can confirm that?

[AnttiL]

Any news about the stages for this Year? We are planning trip from Czech republic and cannot wait for that :) Hope for Urria, Jukojarvi and Ouninpohja in classic format :) Muurame Shakedown would be amazing. Anybody can confirm that?

Nothing confirmed yet. I'm 99% sure Ouninpohja is not driven, but the Kakaristo 2008/2014 version instead. You will have the sideways jump and the Kakaristo junction, but not the yellow house jump. Also, I'm fairly confident Urria will be out of the itinerary, as it's one of the fastest stages. Jukojärvi, I'd say 50/50 chances.

Only two weeks until the route is announced. Can't wait.

The latest rumor coming from twitter: https://twitter.com/KariNuutinen/status/965865686600908801 The Assistant Clerk of the Course is having a winter drive on Päijälä.

[the sniper]

I'll be going to Rally Finland this year, my first rally outside of Britain! A couple of nights ago I seemingly got the last cheap flight tickets (now £100 more to book!) and got an exceptionally good value hotel room just south east of Keuruu for five nights, with only one room left there, so I've been lucky so far. I can't wait now!

[AnttiL]

https://vesilinna-restaurant.fi/neste-rally-vesilinna/

Harju is again the super special, driven on Thursday at 18:42 and Friday at 20:30, which indicates a long Friday full of stages, like 2017.

[AnttiL]

The route is announced tomorrow 10 AM, with a stream on the rally's facebook page and www.ruutu.fi

[Rallyper]

So, Ruuhimäki PS this year. I will have a closer look tonight. Busy today.

[sindroms]

Thursday 26.7.
Shakedown Vesala
SS 1 Harju 1 2,31 km 19:00

Friday 27.7.
SS 2 Moksi 1 20,04 km 8:18
SS 3 Urria 1 12,28 km 9:21
SS 4 Ässämäki 1 12,33 km 10:13
SS 5 ÄänSSoski 1 7,71 km 11:36
SS 6 Oittila 19,34 km 14:24
SS 7 Moksi 2 20,04 km 15:27
SS 8 Urria 2 12,28 km 16:30
SS 9 Ässämäki 2 12,33 km 17:22
SS 10 ÄänSSoski 2 7,71 km 18:45
SS 11 Harju 2 2,31 km 20:00

Saturday 28.7.
SS 12 Päijälä 1 23,92 km 8:13
SS 13 Pihlajakoski 1 14,90 km 9:29
SS 14 Kakaristo 1 23,66 km 10:38
SS 15 Tuohikotanen 1 8,95 km 12:13
SS 16 Tuohikotanen 2 8,95 km 14:55
SS 17 Kakaristo 2 23,66 km 16:08
SS 18 Päijälä 2 23,92 km 17:36
SS 19 Pihlajakoski 2 14,90 km 18:54

Sunday 29.7.
SS 20 Laukaa 1 11,74 km 8:38
SS 21 Ruuhimäki 11,12 km 9:38
SS 22 Laukaa 2 11,74 km 11:01
SS 23 Ruuhimäki 2 (Power Stage) 11,12 km 13:18

[Hartusvuori]

RG1 will be published weeks later, but what they've told so far is the route this year is 65% different compared to last year - yet only SS Pihlajakoski is identical to 2017, so 65% can't included changes of running direction. 40% are roads not used since 1997.

New shakedown stage too in Vesala, Kuohu, similar distance from Jyväskylä as is Ruuhimäki.

Absolutely satisfied with this route. Time schedule is so that doing 3-4 stages a day takes effort, but maybe settling for quality over quantity this year.

[AnttiL]

What a great route. Here's some thoughts on it, as well as details on the changes of the stages

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/03/06/rally-finland-2018-route-revealed/

[EstWRC]

Ok I trust you if you say great but at the first look it seems the stages are too spread out.

Having a detailed look in an hour.

[Hartusvuori]

Ok I trust you if you say great but at the first look it seems the stages are too spread out.

Having a detailed look in an hour.

I judge the route by how much of a challenge it provides to the competitors = new to spectate for us. On day basis Friday is a bit spread out, others not so. We have to get used to traffic jams again, though this schedule doesn't make such situation what we faced last year on Friday. People trying from Päijälä to Tuohikotanen on Saturday might generate some jams.

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T47iuGd0eTU

Shakedown could be on the road this video begins with.

[EstWRC]

Just had a more detailed look at the route and i agree that it looks great...i just had some stages mixed up in my head and thats why at first i thought it isnt good (for example i mixed up Pihlajakoski and Jukojärvi and thought what the hell).

can anyone give me google maps link about Vesala? the one i find cant be right because it is close to Helsinki and the other location is in Helsinki.

[AnttiL]

can anyone give me google maps link about Vesala? the one i find cant be right because it is close to Helsinki and the other location is in Helsinki.

There's a lot of options. My guess is something like this https://www.mapfab.com/map/rUc/Vesala or maybe with a junction turn somewhere.

Also:

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-1990/Vesala
https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-1989/Vesala
https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-1987/Vesala

EDIT: Another option: https://www.mapfab.com/map/rVM/Vesala-v2

EDIT2: This is from the beginning of the 1990 version. Super wide road. https://youtu.be/A_fxdBDsfes?t=31m30s

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-2018

[EstWRC]

ah finally!! and thanks for the Vesala links

[SubaruNorway]

What a great route. Here's some thoughts on it, as well as details on the changes of the stages

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/03/06/rally-finland-2018-route-revealed/

Hard to tell from the map but doesn't Päijälä go east not west onto the narrow road loop from last year and straight after 1km or something?

[AnttiL]

Hard to tell from the map but doesn't Päijälä go east not west onto the narrow road loop from last year and straight after 1km or something?

Ah right, thanks! West, East, one of them :D

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-2018/P%C3%A4ij%C3%A4l%C3%A4

[Hartusvuori]

Also good to mention, official spectators' guide will be published for the first time in Urheilulehti Magazine. It's well available, but I think it must be purchased together with the day's Ilta-Sanomat newspaper - not sure, people more interested in sports in general would know.

[SubaruNorway]

Ah right, thanks! West, East, one of them :D

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-2018/P%C3%A4ij%C3%A4l%C3%A4

No problem! I think there will be more punctures and suspension damage this year as some of those new roads are really soft

[Zeakiwi]

No problem! I think there will be more punctures and suspension damage this year as some of those new roads are really soft

Sandy soft -Finnish stages or soft wet dirt under trees type Finnish stages?

[AnttiL]

Sandy soft -Finnish stages or soft wet dirt under trees type Finnish stages?

I would say both but some of the roads are still a mystery to me. Also depends on the weather before and during the rally.

Definitely a more challenging route this year, even if it wasn’t so much new roads.

[Micke_VOC]

Really great route ! Looking forward to it !

[Rallyper]

Ferry booked. Viking Line cheapest. Stockholm - Turku.

[pantealex]

Ferry booked. Viking Line cheapest. Stockholm - Turku.

Yours B.E.D is also booked, cheapest!

[Vincemon1285]

Yours B.E.D is also booked, cheapest!

and I have green light from my wife to follow.

[Hartusvuori]

Yours B.E.D is also booked, cheapest!

Too much information!

[Rallyper]

Too much information!

However in some point it was like secret information. Not all do understand, or do they? :) :)

[AnttiL]

EDIT2: This is from the beginning of the 1990 version. Super wide road. https://youtu.be/A_fxdBDsfes?t=31m30s

Apparently the shakedown will be like this https://www.mapfab.com/map/rp8/Vesala-shakedown-2018 with the ending in reversed direction to the 1990 video I posted.

[MYS]

Thank you :) hope for onboard footage before the Rally ;)

[Sash78]

Hi there!

Just a question regarding Rally passes, the price of 75€ is the same if I buy pass via internet or on location?
is this pass for all stages or I have to buy additional tickets for sss?

Thanks, Sash

[Essaj]

Hi there!

Just a question regarding Rally passes, the price of 75€ is the same if I buy pass via internet or on location?
is this pass for all stages or I have to buy additional tickets for sss?

Thanks, Sash

It's the same price on location aswell. Pass will get you to all the stages and service park but you may need to pay for parking in many stages.

[Sash78]

It's the same price on location aswell. Pass will get you to all the stages and service park but you may need to pay for parking in many stages.

Thanks Essaj!

[AnttiL]

A crazy rumor is that the yellow house jump has been measured, and artificially built up to spec to the end of the power stage Ruuhimäki

https://www.facebook.com/651458808298664/photos/a.654662941311584.1073741828.651458808298664/1457799950997875/?type=3&theater

[Tauri_J]

A crazy rumor is that the yellow house jump has been measured, and artificially built up to spec to the end of the power stage Ruuhimäki

https://www.facebook.com/651458808298664/photos/a.654662941311584.1073741828.651458808298664/1457799950997875/?type=3&theater

not available

[EightGear]

April fools is coming...

[satnav]

Does anyone know when Rally Guide 1 will be released this year , I've looked around the website but can't see any mention of it.

[AnttiL]

Does anyone know when Rally Guide 1 will be released this year , I've looked around the website but can't see any mention of it.

Now. https://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/3888/20180326_rg1_final_complete.pdf

[pantealex]

Now. https://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/3888/20180326_rg1_final_complete.pdf

and if you want to see it in parts:
https://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/competitors/
Just go down to page and choose what you want to see...

[AnttiL]

FIA has requested for faster roads for this year's rally and the itinerary has been revised

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/04/01/fia-requests-faster-roads-for-rally-finland-2018/

April Fools yeah :P

[the sniper]

FIA has requested for faster roads for this year's rally and the itinerary has been revised

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/04/01/fia-requests-faster-roads-for-rally-finland-2018/

Well played! :D

[stefanvv]

Yeah, 130 km/h is waaaay to slow. These new 2017 spec cars need tracks and current route is the worst for them.

[Luis Pacheco]

I'll be going to Finland this year. My first rallye abroad.

The rally pass is easy to buy at the HQ of the rallye ?

[Hartusvuori]

I don't know about buying rally pass at the HQ, but it is very easy to buy from the most of Neste gas stations in Finland. You can't miss those. In Jyväskylä, the official ticket sale office is at Hotel Aleksandria which is nearby service park, on the city side of the railway, opens two weeks before the event.

[Luis Pacheco]

Ok. Thanks.

[pantealex]

I don't know about buying rally pass at the HQ, but it is very easy to buy from the most of Neste gas stations in Finland. You can't miss those. In Jyväskylä, the official ticket sale office is at Hotel Aleksandria which is nearby service park, on the city side of the railway, opens two weeks before the event.

Service Park entry is also very popular place to buy RallyPass.

Both RallyPass and RallyMagazine are easier to buy than Beer in Finland

[Franky]

Both RallyPass and RallyMagazine are easier to buy than Beer in Finland

But still not cheaper

[Hartusvuori]

But still not cheaper

Important tip: Bring your own beer.

[MYS]

So, accomodation, plane tickets and car booked...spectating spots for friday, saturday and sunday already choosed....the biggest question in this moment - Shakedown...Anybody plan to prepare some onboard footage???Got no idea about this completely new section.

[pantealex]

Organisation will provide onboard footage, like always.
But there is still about 20cm snow in Jyväskylä, it will take more than month before gravel roads are dry, recce video from muddy road is useless for spectators...

[AnttiL]

Organisation will provide onboard footage, like always.
But there is still about 20cm snow in Jyväskylä, it will take more than month before gravel roads are dry, recce video from muddy road is useless for spectators...

Last year the onboard videos were released alongside RG2, at the end of June. They won't know the exact start and finish locations before that.

Also, the Finnish rally radio makes their own stage presentation videos, not usually of every stage, but at least some of them are released earlier, in late May or something. But I don't remember them doing the shakedown in the previous years. However, it hasn't usually been a new stage so maybe they are doing that now.

[JUF]

I just decided to go and visit Rally Finland this year with some friends. For me it´s the second time there, so most things are clear. Only one thing: We´re on a low budget mission, so the plan is to sleep inside the car. Has anyone of you done this before? And is able to tell me if there is a possibility to take a shower anywhere in the area? The options which came into my mind were: asking at a campsite, gym or at the harbour in Jyväskylä. Or are there showers at motorway service areas like in Germany?

[Luis Pacheco]

Few days ago I have seen the Shakedown route by Google street and looks very fast but without jumps.

[Hartusvuori]

I just decided to go and visit Rally Finland this year with some friends. For me it´s the second time there, so most things are clear. Only one thing: We´re on a low budget mission, so the plan is to sleep inside the car. Has anyone of you done this before? And is able to tell me if there is a possibility to take a shower anywhere in the area? The options which came into my mind were: asking at a campsite, gym or at the harbour in Jyväskylä. Or are there showers at motorway service areas like in Germany?

Maybe some of your ideas for taking shower could be possible, I can't help you there. A good nude swim beats all those options though :-) Lakes we can provide.

[jiipee64]

Maybe some of your ideas for taking shower could be possible, I can't help you there. A good nude swim beats all those options though :-) Lakes we can provide.

We have a swimming hall "AaltoAlvari".

It costs 9€.

Dipping in a lake is a viable option. Water is always clean. And late July it is also almost warm enough 😁

[dupanton]

Hayden Paddon and Craig Breen will compete in Rally Estonia to prepare Finland.

[dnb]

Hayden Paddon and Craig Breen will compete in Rally Estonia to prepare Finland.

an event also dreaming to become a WRC event.

[Rallyper]

I just decided to go and visit Rally Finland this year with some friends. For me it´s the second time there, so most things are clear. Only one thing: We´re on a low budget mission, so the plan is to sleep inside the car. Has anyone of you done this before? And is able to tell me if there is a possibility to take a shower anywhere in the area? The options which came into my mind were: asking at a campsite, gym or at the harbour in Jyväskylä. Or are there showers at motorway service areas like in Germany?

Maximum two persons quite naturally is possible to sleep in one car. Bring some extra pillows and sleeping bag. Stay at a small lake and you have all possibilities to take the a bath early in the morning or in the evening. Don´t think there´s a camping in Jyväskylä city area.

Been there, done that. many times.

[JUF]

@Hartusvuori, @jiipee64, @Rallyper: Thanks a lot for your advice. Dipping in a lake seems like a good option :D.

[Rallyper]

@Hartusvuori, @jiipee64, @Rallyper: Thanks a lot for your advice. Dipping in a lake seems like a good option :D.

And of course bring your own camping kitchen, make a small dinner after finding your good place, have a beer knowing tomorrows stage is quite nearby. Very good feeling.

[pantealex]

Other options for washing your self in Jyväskylä area:

https://www.scandichotels.com/hotels/finland/jyvaskyla/scandic-laajavuori/spa?_ga=2.39750368.2100745659.1525873313-1084086652.1525873313
Laajavuori SPA, this is very rally related place, old HQ of rally.

http://www.peurunka.fi/en/spahotel/spa/
Peurunka SPA, Laukaa. Also rally related place, Juha Kankkunen is local hero.

https://www.jyvaskyla.fi/liikunta/paikat/uimahallit/wellamo/hinnasto
Swimming hall "WELLAMO" Vaajakoski, 8km from Service Park. 5€ in mornings, 6,50€ day time.

[EstWRC]

thanks for those links!

the biggest problem we face every year is taking shower somewhere. Yes, you have dozens of lakes there but the problem is that it is hard to access them IMO, all the good access ways are through private properties or houses. And it isnt same as taking a proper shower anyway.

We sleep in tents but i have seen people sleeping in cars too. The atmosphere at stage side camping is great, all the people get along well, barbecues, beer, vodka, funny stories...

ahhhh cant wait, two more months.

[sindroms]

@Hartusvuori, @jiipee64, @Rallyper: Thanks a lot for your advice. Dipping in a lake seems like a good option :D.

Don't rely on lake option too much. There are a thousand lakes in deed but it's difficult access to them because of two reasons - 1)private property; 2) in most cases shores are very swampy.
But still you can find public swimming places around Jämsä (at least we managed it). Two of them:
https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.8703658,25.236067,369m/data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.9951791,25.1364708,119m/data=!3m1!1e3

[hannes36]

what about ABC stops? Many of them have showers available, how much does it costs?

[pantealex]

what about ABC stops? Many of them have showers available, how much does it costs?

Those are for Truckers, but you can always ask.

[Hartusvuori]

Don't rely on lake option too much. There are a thousand lakes in deed but it's difficult access to them because of two reasons - 1)private property; 2) in most cases shores are very swampy.
But still you can find public swimming places around Jämsä (at least we managed it). Two of them:
https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.8703658,25.236067,369m/data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.9951791,25.1364708,119m/data=!3m1!1e3

Särkijärvi in Jämsä is a good place too to go for a swim. Easy to park and they have sort of dressing rooms outdoors. They have a sauna too, but I'm not sure whether it's open on summer time.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/J%C3%A4ms%C3%A4/@61.875101,25.2158773,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x468f796d81780e0d:0x40146d63c75af 20!8m2!3d61.8619823!4d25.1802073

If you see a road sign "Uimaranta" that means a public place to go for a swim, beach. They are not for camping, but you can go for a swim.

[DonJippo]

Särkijärvi in Jämsä is a good place too to go for a swim. Easy to park and they have sort of dressing rooms outdoors. They have a sauna too, but I'm not sure whether it's open on summer time.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/J%C3%A4ms%C3%A4/@61.875101,25.2158773,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x468f796d81780e0d:0x40146d63c75af 20!8m2!3d61.8619823!4d25.1802073

If you see a road sign "Uimaranta" that means a public place to go for a swim, beach. They are not for camping, but you can go for a swim.

This page has all public beaches in Jämsä area http://www.jamsa.fi/en/tourism/activities-and-sights/active-vacation/swimming/swimming-beaches

[pantealex]

Supplementary Regulations:

Story part:
https://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/info/uutiset/entry-opens-for-neste-oil-rally-finland-2015-supplementary-regulations-published-1-1-1/

Document:
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4780/20180521_nrf_regs_final.pdf

Cheaper entry for privateers closes 1.June
All entries closes 25.June
Draft entrylist Friday 29.June

and in near future AnttiL will tell more about that 350m of Tarmac part of Ruuhimäki (Powerstage)

[AnttiL]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjZjoy8Fpz4/?taken-by=rallyfinland

Video from the ending of Ruuhimäki, which will be also the ending of the whole rally, a true flying finish. Hmm, that jump looks familiar...

[Rallyper]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjZjoy8Fpz4/?taken-by=rallyfinland

Video from the ending of Ruuhimäki, which will be also the ending of the whole rally, a true flying finish. Hmm, that jump looks familiar...

Looks quite tame...

[Tauri_J]

Looks quite tame...

like any other artificial jump

[Luis Pacheco]

Ruuhimäki´s course will not be the same as last year's shakedown ?

[AnttiL]

Ruuhimäki´s course will not be the same as last year's shakedown ?

It contains all of last year's shakedown but is longer from both ends.

[pantealex]

Entry for support rally VETOMIES is open.

40 first entries are in for sure and after that organisation can choose who is accepted. Total 70 crews will be taken.

Link to entries:
https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=7682&edit=0

Press "Osallistujat" in top for those names.

[AnttiL]

More about Ruuhimäki and its history on my blog: https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/06/04/ruuhimaki-the-bouncy-sandcastle/

[Rallyper]

More about Ruuhimäki and its history on my blog: https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/06/04/ruuhimaki-the-bouncy-sandcastle/

This is a 4 points part of a Masters degree in WRC rallying. All you need to know about Ruuhimäki stage. Very good!

[Hartusvuori]

Hyundai have entered four cars to Rally Finland, including Sordo, whose initial program didn't include it.

[Rallyper]

Hyundai have entered four cars to Rally Finland, including Sordo, whose initial program didn't include it.

Didn´t he quote, he doesn´t like NRF? However, he has to do what the bosses say. Very nice, indeed to see him this year.

[AnttiL]

Hyundai have entered four cars to Rally Finland, including Sordo, whose initial program didn't include it.

Weird, since Sordo dislikes the rally

[Allez Andruet]

That's very odd indeed. Sordo won't be eligible for manu points and it's quite hard to see how he would block any points from Neuville's title rivals.

[ESTR]

I believe this is part of their tactics to keep Ogier behind as much as possible Hyundai's. Or at least for being better there for the future?

[dimviii]

I believe this is part of their tactics to keep Ogier behind as much as possible Hyundai's.

that.After so many years are desperate for one title.

[mknight]

Conspiracy theory:

They enter "Sordo" and then change him for someone else.... like Meeke ;)

Doesn't make much sense for me to let Sordo start. He never liked the rally and never did well there.. and Hyundai was really bad there last year.

[EstWRC]

Toyota brings new engine to Finland and M-Sport new aero, Hyundai will bring Sordo

[Sash78]

If anyone need them rally maps, kml available for download. :p
Google Maps (https://drive.google.com/open?id=19lifO-KjZciPtvGimu9kx4brOa8rGKXR&usp=sharing)

[pantealex]

Entry for support rally VETOMIES is open.

40 first entries are in for sure and after that organisation can choose who is accepted. Total 70 crews will be taken.

Link to entries:
https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=7682&edit=0

Press "Osallistujat" in top for those names.

Support event has 45 entries now.

RallyFinland has released first ones, 15 crews.
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4815/2018_nrf_entry_seuranta050618.pdf
Sordo has gone away since yesterday...

[Essaj]

Hyundai confirmed that Sordo wont participate in Finland so that's that.

[AnttiL]

Skruvat seems to be a partner of the rally, maybe Henning would make another one-off?

[AnttiL]

More footage from Ruuhimäki ending at 4:40 https://areena.yle.fi/1-4454374?autoplay=true

EDIT: Also worth mentioning it is a part of a larger motorsport arena built in the area, not just a jump built for the sake of the stage.

[Rallyper]

More footage from Ruuhimäki ending at 4:40 https://areena.yle.fi/1-4454374?autoplay=true

EDIT: Also worth mentioning it is a part of a larger motorsport arena built in the area, not just a jump built for the sake of the stage.

And the name of the reader of news is: Mikko Hirvonen!! :) :)

Not THE Mikko, but still...

[Sanremo]

More footage from Ruuhimäki ending at 4:40 https://areena.yle.fi/1-4454374?autoplay=true

EDIT: Also worth mentioning it is a part of a larger motorsport arena built in the area, not just a jump built for the sake of the stage.

I mean, is that abomination really necessary when Finland is scattered of beautiful natural jumps? We have yet the Harju stage for the average Joes. Nowadays, too many rally organisers seem to lack of self-respect. Not to mention that more than often they are the same that want you to pay a ticket... so no excuses.
They should ask rally Monte Carlo organisers how things should be done... no SSS, long event, night stages, tradition. And they are not even asking for money!!!!!

[pantealex]

Few more entries, total 19 now. 5 x Toyota :)

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4815/2018_nrf_entry_seuranta060618.pdf

Support rally VETOMIES has 50 entries now.

[AnttiL]

I mean, is that abomination really necessary when Finland is scattered of beautiful natural jumps? We have yet the Harju stage for the average Joes. Nowadays, too many rally organisers seem to lack of self-respect. Not to mention that more than often they are the same that want you to pay a ticket... so no excuses.
They should ask rally Monte Carlo organisers how things should be done... no SSS, long event, night stages, tradition. And they are not even asking for money!!!!!

It's just something for the big crowds at the end of the power stage, and also to put the finish of the rally at a place near a suitable place for podium celebrations. Also, it's a part of a bigger motorsport arena that will be used for other things as well.

I don't know how Monte Carlo is funded but I would guess the average member of ACM drives a Ferrari more likely than a member of AKK.

[PLuto]

I don't know how Monte Carlo is funded but I would guess the average member of ACM drives a Ferrari more likely than a member of AKK.

But only because roads around Monte Carlo are more suitable for Ferrari than roads in Finland ;)

[Sanremo]

It's just something for the big crowds at the end of the power stage, and also to put the finish of the rally at a place near a suitable place for podium celebrations. Also, it's a part of a bigger motorsport arena that will be used for other things as well.

I don't know how Monte Carlo is funded but I would guess the average member of ACM drives a Ferrari more likely than a member of AKK.

I’m aware of what you are writing about. That’s the reason why I said that. This ever growing circus mentality is making a mess of this sport (especially when it comes down to chicanes that are now deciding fights). I’m not against SSS, especially when they are well thought like the Harju street stage (even though I’m still waiting for a concrete evidence of the SSS new rally fans luring potential), but I think there should be a limit to the number of SSS (2 or 3 of them would be enough) and to what the organisers can do to attract these “big crowds”. I would limit these artificial elements to the street stages, living the proper stages untouched. That would be an acceptable trade off. The money they get from tickets should be poured as much as possible into the event to make it even bigger. Let’s have more kms for example. This year rally Finland route consists of 317 kms vs the 360 of 2014. We are paying more and more without any substantial improvement. And for what it concerns the Ruuhimaki stage, I’m fine as it was in 2014. Actually it was perfect for a PS. It was able to convey what this sport is all about. No need to transform into the XGames.
I’m not even against paying a ticket for the sake of the sport, but for the average Joe 75€ (not to count his family) could be a deterrent. I don’t know you but I’m not interested in spending 60-70€ to spectate at a football match, even though I live near a football stadium and occasionally I watch soccer on tv. It’s just that I’m not really interested in that sport to justify it. Not to say that the majority of rally fans don’t move between the stage so you are left with 3 stages repeated twice during the all weekend.

[AnttiL]

I’m aware of what you are writing about. That’s the reason why I said that. This ever growing circus mentality is making a mess of this sport (especially when it comes down to chicanes that are now deciding fights). I’m not against SSS, especially when they are well thought like the Harju street stage (even though I’m still waiting for a concrete evidence of the SSS new rally fans luring potential),
Well, actually Harju has a number of similar chicanes which could be touched, causing penalties. Ruuhimäki or any other forest stage won't have any artificial chicanes.

This year rally Finland route consists of 317 kms vs the 360 of 2014.
Does this have something to do with the rules FIA presents? In 2014 they did forest stages already on Thursday, now it's not allowed anymore (except MC can do whatever they want)

And for what it concerns the Ruuhimaki stage, I’m fine as it was in 2014. Actually it was perfect for a PS. It was able to convey what this sport is all about. No need to transform into the XGames.

Maybe they want to divide the people around the stage, instead of everyone packing into the five jumps at the end?

I’m not even against paying a ticket for the sake of the sport, but for the average Joe 75€ (not to count his family) could be a deterrent.
The Average Joe would probably just buy a 20€ single ticket, right?

Super specials have always been a part of rally. Harju was driven already in the 60's. And before that they had these skill tests where you had to brake before a line or weave around cones.

Still, I agree that two super specials is a good number for a WRC rally of the current length, not like Mexico with eigth of them.

I think the whole circus thing and the VIP's etc. are just a way to secure the financial side and continuity of the rally. Us hardcore fans can just go into the forest through our own paths outside official spectating points and forget about the rest.

[Sanremo]

Well, actually Harju has a number of similar chicanes which could be touched, causing penalties. Ruuhimäki or any other forest stage won't have any artificial chicanes.

Does this have something to do with the rules FIA presents? In 2014 they did forest stages already on Thursday, now it's not allowed anymore (except MC can do whatever they want)

Maybe they want to divide the people around the stage, instead of everyone packing into the five jumps at the end?

The Average Joe would probably just buy a 20€ single ticket, right?

Super specials have always been a part of rally. Harju was driven already in the 60's. And before that they had these skill tests where you had to brake before a line or weave around cones.

Still, I agree that two super specials is a good number for a WRC rally of the current length, not like Mexico with eigth of them.

I think the whole circus thing and the VIP's etc. are just a way to secure the financial side and continuity of the rally. Us hardcore fans can just go into the forest through our own paths outside official spectating points and forget about the rest.

When I said that I like the Harju street stage, I was meaning that it is not a trailer park stage (like last year Thursday Germay SSS or Mexico City one). I would dare to say that stage is how close as we can get to a proper stage when it comes to SSS. That’s all what I like of it and wanted to say. My judgement was not implying any reference to the presence of chicanes. I should have been more specific.
I’m not aware of any rule forbidding to tackle any proper stage on Thursday. My bad. I know that Rally Monte Carlo benefits from a special status, but it would be quite weird from their side to disregard FIA explicit rules on the matter. Given that I’m not an expert like you on Finnish stages, I guess that it’s not strictly necessarily to add Thursday stages to have 40 kms more when you can have slightly longer SS. Just few kms here and there per stage.
For what it concerns the artificial jump at the end, I really hope that your assumption is right. If that’s been done on safety grounds I’m fine with it, but I still think others are the reasons behind this move as you pointed out in the last part of your post.
Maybe they should sell promotional discounted tickets at SSS. I don’t know. Nowadays, there are so many people out there not even willing to pay 8€ for a cinema ticket that I’m wondering how would be possible for SSS occasional spectators to spend 300€ (in my case: 4 people). It would be more suitable for them to buy stage by stage tickets to start with (It seems I can’t find them on rally Finland website. Maybe you can help me out with that. If they exist, the problem is solved).
At least we agree on the maximum amount of SSS.
Maybe, I should have put this in a more simple way right from the beginning: as a long term rally fan I can’t simply turn my back like that and I would prefer to see all these artificial stuff and non-rally elements restricted to SSS as much as possible, leaving the proper stages untouched. Still I recognise that modern rallying is a compromise and money talks. I know you understand the feelings of hardcore fans at that sight, even though it is just one jump over the entire course of the rally. Still I agree it is not that big a deal by now.
So no reason to argue. You still have the best rally in the world ;) I was just expressing my personal preferences:angel:.

[AnttiL]

Given that I’m not an expert like you on Finnish stages, I guess that it’s not strictly necessarily to add Thursday stages to have 40 kms more when you can have slightly longer SS. Just few kms here and there per stage.

Each loop between two services can have 80 km of stages long at maximum. Meanwhile, adding more service park visits to a day would push the schedule and tyre amount limit. So it's not that easy to make it longer.


For what it concerns the artificial jump at the end, I really hope that your assumption is right. If that’s been done on safety grounds I’m fine with it, but I still think others are the reasons behind this move as you pointed out in the last part of your post.

For sure there's nothing concerning safety with the Ruuhimäki artificial jump. The stage will have 9 junction turns over 11 kms, and half of the roads are narrow and tricky, so there's no reason to jump for reducing average speed. Instead, the jump is preceded by a 400m straight acceleration.

An interesting story about the only other artificial jump in Finland, the "Tommi's Jump" in Kakaristo: it was supposedly built by a farmer whose house is on the outside of a corner. He got tired of having to repaint his house every year so he built a new bit of road on his field going a bit further form his house, with that jump added.


I’m wondering how would be possible for SSS occasional spectators to spend 300€ (in my case: 4 people). It would be more suitable for them to buy stage by stage tickets to start with (It seems I can’t find them on rally Finland website. Maybe you can help me out with that. If they exist, the problem is solved).
For sure there is stage by stage tickets, if I remember correctly, they cost 20 euros.


Still I agree it is not that big a deal by now.
So no reason to argue. You still have the best rally in the world ;) I was just expressing my personal preferences:angel:.

Thumbs up, good discussion anyway :)

[AnttiL]

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/06/12/route-preview-rally-finland-2018/

MEGA route preview

[AnttiL]

Seb Marshall criticizes artificial jumps but gives thumbs up for the Ruuhimäki end jump https://twitter.com/sebmarshall/status/1006803226707091456

[pantealex]

VETOMIES has 72 entries now, even some leading competitors from Finland national championship.


Entry for support rally VETOMIES is open.

40 first entries are in for sure and after that organisation can choose who is accepted. Total 70 crews will be taken.

Link to entries:
https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=7682&edit=0

Press "Osallistujat" in top for those names.

WRC event has only 1 new entrant: Pierre-Louis Loubet, i20 R5 (total 20 now)

[pantealex]

Entry for support rally VETOMIES is open.

40 first entries are in for sure and after that organisation can choose who is accepted. Total 70 crews will be taken.

Link to entries:
https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=7682&edit=0

Press "Osallistujat" in top for those names.

79 for VETOMIES now.

Mattias Monelius SWE Fabia R5 and Sanjay Takale IND Fiesta R2 are new entries for WRC event. (Total 22 crews now)
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4815/2018_nrf_entry_seuranta180618.pdf

When Gill makes his entry we will have 2 Indian drivers and I don´t remember that this has happened before.

[Oliverk]

No daily tickets for rally? We were thinking of doing only a day because of tight schedules but its little bit expensive to pay 75 for only 3-4 stages.

[pantealex]

No daily tickets for rally? We were thinking of doing only a day because of tight schedules but its little bit expensive to pay 75 for only 3-4 stages.

There has never been daily tickets in Finland. Most of stages are driven twice, but you only need 1 ticket for both.

[AnttiL]

Which day are you doing? On Friday, Moksi-Oittila-Äänekoski 2 could be a doable three stage route, or then you could go straight from Moksi to Äänekoski and stay for two runs. Or then add a detour to Oittila between the two runs of Äänekoski. Moving on the east side of lake Päijänne kinda makes it easier since most of the stages are on the west side. If you are planning to add Harju as well, then rally pass starts becoming cheaper...

On Saturday there's probably even more traffic between the stages and parking areas get full soon. Maybe it's possible to do Päijälä and then Tuohikotanen for two runs (which are run on each side of service) and then Pihlajakoski if you don't attempt to drive the most obvious route between the stages? Kakaristo is probably the most popular stage and most difficult/slow to access.

[Oliverk]

Which day are you doing? On Friday, Moksi-Oittila-Äänekoski 2 could be a doable three stage route, or then you could go straight from Moksi to Äänekoski and stay for two runs. Or then add a detour to Oittila between the two runs of Äänekoski. Moving on the east side of lake Päijänne kinda makes it easier since most of the stages are on the west side. If you are planning to add Harju as well, then rally pass starts becoming cheaper...

On Saturday there's probably even more traffic between the stages and parking areas get full soon. Maybe it's possible to do Päijälä and then Tuohikotanen for two runs (which are run on each side of service) and then Pihlajakoski if you don't attempt to drive the most obvious route between the stages? Kakaristo is probably the most popular stage and most difficult/slow to access.

Yes we were planning to do friday. Have to see if ferry tickets are still available.

[MYS]

Hi gyus. Anybody already get the Rallypass?

[EstWRC]

not yet, my friend emailed them this week and they said that they will start to send them out in two weeks

[famjo70]

AnttiL, your mega route preview is great! It is perfect for the planning! Great with your analysis combined with the videos. And combined with rally-maps it makes it easier to plan where to be! Great job! I am going to Rally Finland again this year with my son. I was at 1000 Lakes Rally a couple of times in the 80's with my parents and it feels really great to go back with my son! A question for you, regarding planning of the Saturday stages... Want to go to both Päijälä and Kakaristo! The question is which order that is best? To be at Päijälä the first or second run? Is there time enough for another stage besides the 2 mentioned ones? I suspect at least Kakaristo will be very crowded? What would you recommend?

[EstWRC]

Kakaristo definitely in the morning, it is sooo over crowded for second run...we had this situation last year.

[AnttiL]

Switching stages will be tricky on Saturday, especially Kakaristo will get very jammed. But I personally would enjoy two runs of Kakaristo with Vetomies in between rather than sit at the traffic.

[gheeD]

Id like to add last year Päijälä morning run had all the wrecks whilst on the 2nd loop almost nobody had action in the famous corner there. I did Ouni in the morning and päijälä afternoon after hearing about all the wrecks there.. Not that much exiting action except drunk estonian spectators having fun.

[famjo70]

Thanks for the input, like I suspected then... My son wants to go to Päijälä and I want to go to Kakaristo... Looks like we have to fight about it!!! But the question is if something will happen at Päijälä again after last years crashes. I think they are warned about that corner now... And Kakaristo where I think we should go they have bot driven for several years now... So I think the answer is there, just have to convince the son!

[AnttiL]

Thanks for the input, like I suspected then... My son wants to go to Päijälä and I want to go to Kakaristo... Looks like we have to fight about it!!! But the question is if something will happen at Päijälä again after last years crashes. I think they are warned about that corner now... And Kakaristo where I think we should go they have bot driven for several years now... So I think the answer is there, just have to convince the son!

Show him this video from 2011, this will be near the end of Kakaristo stage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww9tr9i8jvQ

I mean, Päijälä ain't a bad place to be either, but the ending of Kakaristo is a rare piece of road, driven only three times in the last 25 years.

[AnttiL]

AnttiL, your mega route preview is great! It is perfect for the planning! Great with your analysis combined with the videos. And combined with rally-maps it makes it easier to plan where to be! Great job!

Thank you very much!

[pantealex]

Finally some entries coming:
29 pairs now, some potential WRC2 competitors added
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4815/2018_nrf_entry_seuranta200618.pdf

[Rallyper]

Päijälä last year had two tricky places...

But agree, don´t think there´ll be much show this year, except from nice driving.

[AnttiL]

https://areena.yle.fi/1-50004014

Shakedown presented by the rally radio

[Hartusvuori]

Päijälä last year had two tricky places...

But agree, don´t think there´ll be much show this year, except from nice driving.

I'd advise people to wait for the official guide before planning to go at Ogier's. Word is there's tree plants which means it's a no go area or at least not an arena for 2000 people. I have not heard anything about chicaine or something else. Already last year it was unbelievable how it claimed so many victims. All had recced it and all must've seen all previous videos.

[Luis Pacheco]

https://areena.yle.fi/1-50004014

Shakedown presented by the rally radio

At 3,5 Km looks a nice spot.

[EstWRC]

yep, we will go there, just looked it on google maps yesterday

[AnttiL]

Nice narrow jump at 4:33 on the video. The second left hand bend of the beginning is also good

[Zeakiwi]

Nice narrow jump at 4:33 on the video. The second left hand bend of the beginning is also good

Does ralli radio interview the road grader drivers to try and find out which stages will be graded before the rally?

[Hartusvuori]

Does ralli radio interview the road grader drivers to try and find out which stages will be graded before the rally?

I think they are graded only afterwards.

[Rallyper]

Kakaristo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ac5uCD8Dxo

[AnttiL]

Kakaristo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ac5uCD8Dxo

And on rally speed, go for the 2014 Kakaristo stage on WRC+ or see the Vetomies version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1vh14qk6BY and from the last junction turn onwards it's this https://youtu.be/u2LIE0onlKk?t=25s from 0:25 to 2:25 or so. But that "recce" video is good for showing how different the corners look now with forestry having been done (the Sokolov corner at 4:43 for example).

[Rallyper]

And on rally speed, go for the 2014 Kakaristo stage on WRC+ or see the Vetomies version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1vh14qk6BY and from the last junction turn onwards it's this https://youtu.be/u2LIE0onlKk?t=25s from 0:25 to 2:25 or so. But that "recce" video is good for showing how different the corners look now with forestry having been done (the Sokolov corner at 4:43 for example).

Also Tomas Rådström corner from 1999. However not as brutal as Sokolov.

[pantealex]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4815/2018_nrf_entry_seuranta210618.pdf

Entries are coming...
Total 43 now, 2x Citroen R5 and many JWRC competitors added.

[Luis Pacheco]

Kakaristo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ac5uCD8Dxo

At 21,4 Km (14:00)

Are we talking about the same place ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww9tr9i8jvQ

[AnttiL]

Yes, the power lines

[SubaruNorway]

Worst powerstage I've seen in a while, hopefully it only stays for a year. Not many good views.

[AnttiL]

Worst powerstage I've seen in a while, hopefully it only stays for a year. Not many good views.

You sure you mean Power stage, not shakedown?

[pantealex]

Worst powerstage I've seen in a while, hopefully it only stays for a year. Not many good views.

Shakedown is poor to spectators but good for drivers.

[pantealex]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4815/2018_nrf_entry_seuranta220618.pdf

More entries...
Veiby and Rovanperä are official Skoda Motorsport chosen ones.

[SubaruNorway]

You sure you mean Power stage, not shakedown?

Yes, shakedown of course. Can't think straight when I'm annoyed haha.
Hopefully they remove some trees by the jump on the left so you can see something as i doubt you will get close enough.

[famjo70]

Hmmm, regarding shakedown... What do you think about the first right hand corner after the second junction? Small jump in the exit? 5:20 into the video.

[pantealex]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4855/skannattu_180625.pdf Bulletin1

So, to which cars Pirelli is NOT supplying ? WRC or WRC2 ?
Must be WRC but why is that other marked as "main tyre" ? People usually read from left to right so would be logical if main classes (WRC) tyre is on the left column.

[AMSS]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4855/skannattu_180625.pdf Bulletin1

So, to which cars Pirelli is NOT supplying ? WRC or WRC2 ?
Must be WRC but why is that other marked as "main tyre" ? People usually read from left to right so would be logical if main classes (WRC) tyre is on the left column.

Not to WRC

[AnttiL]

Tuohikotanen unofficial recce video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoWSj1Cq-6Q

[Rallyper]

So, what about Ford throwing in Meeke in a fourth car? Is it possible? I mean that late entry, not yet on official entrylist?

[Tarmop]

Why would they want to do that?

[AnttiL]

The unofficial entry list is updated on the website daily, but the last day entries won’t be published until FIA approves them. M-Sport’s entries are most likely in by now, but we have to wait a bit for confirmation.

As for Meeke, if he gets a budget, I’m sure Malcolm rents a Fiesta.

[Tauri_J]

So, what about Ford throwing in Meeke in a fourth car? Is it possible? I mean that late entry, not yet on official entrylist?

If he pays, then why not

[Rallyper]

Indirectly, if Citroen allow, he´ll have training without Citroen pays nothing but his paycheck. If he make a short vist at MSport in Finland.

[PLuto]

I think currently it is not real to see Kris anywhere on the start...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen didnt sack Meeke, he is still under contract and being paid. So atm he cant drive for anyone else til 2019.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great video to get us in the mood...

WRC Rally Finland 2017 https://t.co/LFDajsxdk5

[Tarmop]

I don`t want to believe that Meeke made a contract, that allows Citroen to bench him for half a season and ban him from using his own wallet for renting a car for instance, but maybe...

[AnttiL]

Tuohikotanen unofficial recce video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoWSj1Cq-6Q

That junction at 1,8 km is tricky. The video shows well the numerous rhythm changes from very narrow to less narrow, a bit faster and finally onto wide and straight road.

[pantealex]

Both WRC and VETOMIES entries have closed, support event is showing 87 entries but organisation still has "VETO" to take more...
Amount of WRC entries will decide how many supports they take, 70 is minimum.

Interesting entries:
Eskelinen Lancer WRC 02
Steven "BOS" Bossard (suspension guru)
Hosike Focus WRC 02
Lehti Corsa S2000
Henrik Pietarinen Mitsu, favourite for win.

Lario M3 and Palmi 323ti compact very loud and powerful
Vesa Hirvonen probably fastest 2wd

just look that list!


Entry for support rally VETOMIES is open.

40 first entries are in for sure and after that organisation can choose who is accepted. Total 70 crews will be taken.

Link to entries:
https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=7682&edit=0

Press "Osallistujat" in top for those names.

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzAAk7FOZZK8aXo53flddAg/videos

Recce videos are out!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I don`t want to believe that Meeke made a contract, that allows Citroen to bench him for half a season and ban him from using his own wallet for renting a car for instance, but maybe...

It wouldnt have been framed like that as the chance of him being 'benched' was probably never considered.

As he is still under contract and being paid I dont see how he can drive for another team. Plus he has never had any private funding in his whole career.

[sindroms]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzAAk7FOZZK8aXo53flddAg/videos

Recce videos are out!

Always wondered how they can film video that differs so much from reality... In these videos every road looks straight, flat and boring.

[AnttiL]

Always wondered how they can film video that differs so much from reality... In these videos every road looks straight, flat and boring.

It is the fish eye lense. Try this: cover the left and right third of the screen with your hands or with two books, so you see only the road and none of the scenery. Looks a lot twistier already!

[sindroms]

It is the fish eye lense. Try this: cover the left and right third of the screen with your hands, so you see only the road and none of the scenery. Looks a lot twistier already!

Thanks God I know how these roads look like in reality :) I've been driving most of them and will do it once again this year.
But still damn... lets say Laukaa stage in this video for me looks like from another planet - https://youtu.be/bRH2ZQSCtU8?t=54 in comparison with official onboard - https://youtu.be/PeFqC4ThZYU

[Hartusvuori]

Always wondered how they can film video that differs so much from reality... In these videos every road looks straight, flat and boring.

Spectator recce is the only proper way to learn about the actual conditions. Good that it's so. Taking the effort pays off. These videos are only good for checking afterwards if you are not sure or remember whether some place is before or after a connection road or similar.

[pantealex]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/info/uutiset/neste-rally-finland-entry-list-shows-promise-of-tight-battles/

71 crews entered. (no full list, yet.)

[Rallyper]

I´ll pay some attention to the first two K of Kakkaristo... On sight before rally... And some other places.

[AnttiL]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/info/uutiset/neste-rally-finland-entry-list-shows-promise-of-tight-battles/

71 crews entered. (no full list, yet.)

And sorry, no Meeke.

[AnttiL]

Kakkaristo..

Typo on purpose? :p

[Allez Andruet]

And sorry, no Meeke.

It's understandable and comes as no surprise, but we're missing:

- winner of 2016
- 3rd of 2017

And it seems like neither Nordgren or Tidemand will start in WRC2. Add those two to the current list of WRC2 entries and it'd be a killer.

Anyway, can't wait for the rally to start ;)

[Rallyper]

Typo on purpose? :p

No! Sorry! My bad. Kakaristo!

[Essaj]

Full Entry List is now up: https://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4815/2018_nrf_draft_entry_list_29062018.pdf

[harriswrc]

That link works
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4814/2018_nrf_entry_list_29062018.pdf

[MYS]

Missing 4 names.....Meeke, Hanninen, Nordgren, Tidemand.... But nice entry list.

[AnttiL]

Missing 4 names.....Meeke, Hanninen,

And Loeb, Solberg, Sainz, Kankkunen, ...

[pantealex]

That list has 72 crews, yesterday thay said 71...

Rally Guide 2 and Roadbooks are out (and no I don´t have roadbook password)
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/competitors/

[MYS]

And Loeb, Solberg, Sainz, Kankkunen, ...

There is no reason to be sarcastic ;) Nobody tells its bad entry list ;) Just hoped for my 2 very favourite drivers with WRC cars ;) Cannot wait to be on stages ;)

[Sulland]

And Kari Hytønen will drive a S2000. Beautiful music around the 1000 lakes!

[AnttiL]

This year's entry list consist a crushing 26% of Skoda Fabia R5's. 10 years ago there were 24% Mitsubishi Evo's, 20 years ago 18% Mitsubishi Evo's, 30 years ago 20% Lancia Deltas and 40 years ago 21% Ford Escorts.

[tommeke_B]

What is different to 10, 20, 30 and 40 years ago is the absence of any privateers in the top category. Somehow sad that this new generation of WRCars has become too inaccessible for privateers.

[PLuto]

What is different to 10, 20, 30 and 40 years ago is the absence of any privateers in the top category. Somehow sad that this new generation of WRCars has become too inaccessible for privateers.

But I am afraid that was the main reason why they have introduced it...

[Zeakiwi]

Does Tidemand still do the Rally Finland recce, even if he does not do the rally? (Did Tidemand do a Finland skoda r5 testing session - I'm confused by the facebook skoda finalnd testing video)

[RS]

Does Tidemand still do the Rally Finland recce, even if he does not do the rally? (Did Tidemand do a Finland skoda r5 testing session - I'm confused by the facebook skoda finalnd testing video)

I think he did a test yes. Quite surprising not to see at least Nordgren on his home event.

[pantealex]

Skoda was testing new parts, Tidemand is their leading gravel driver, driving is his work.

Recce only entries not announced yet, but I probably read somewhere that Tidemand is doing recce.

[jbmarcus21]

Here you can find the new Google Earth Map of 2018 #RallyFinland ► http://bit.ly/2I3YMyS

[AnttiL]

I think he did a test yes. Quite surprising not to see at least Nordgren on his home event.

Nordgren's season seems like a letdown indeed. He didn't get to do APRC and seems like not a lot of WRC2 events either. But then again, he is the fifth driver of the Skoda team and he probably doesn't have the backing for private entries like Rovanperä and Veiby have

[Jarek Z]

Nordgren's season seems like a letdown indeed. He didn't get to do APRC and seems like not a lot of WRC2 events either. But then again, he is the fifth driver of the Skoda team and he probably doesn't have the backing for private entries like Rovanperä and Veiby have

But when he gets a chance his results are quite bad. Have you seen his results in Acropolis, Cyprus and Bohemia?

[Essaj]

But when he gets a chance his results are quite bad. Have you seen his results in Acropolis, Cyprus and Bohemia?

Well In Acropolis he had many punctures which kinda ruined his race. In Cyprus he made a rookie error from the lead but eventually had to retire when he crashed to a on coming public vehicle on stage.
No idea what's wrong in Bohemia but he was/is slower than I expected.

Looking at Skodas lineup this year my guess is that Juuso was ment to do the whole APRC season but when that fell apart they decided to put him in ERC + couple of WRC2 rounds instead.
Kalle is actually currently the Skoda driver with the least Skoda motorsport starts this season so far.

[pantealex]

Kalle still has some age problems...

[Sash78]

Just for info...Pass has arrived today.

[satukata]

Rallypass 😍

[Hartusvuori]

Rally Finland's sub-event Vetomies ralli will have 83 crews starting this year.

Their itinerary is as follows:

Friday 28.7.
18:00 - Harju 2 / 2,31 km

Saturday 29.7.
09:58 - Päijälä 1 / 23,92 km
11:29 - Pihlajakoski 1 / 14,90 km
12:47 - Kakaristo / 23,66 km
15:00 - Päijälä 2 / 23,92 km
16:23 - Pihlajakoski 2 / 14,90 km
19:00 - Podium Paviljonki

Entries: https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionOpen.aspx?id=7682&edit=0 (-> click "osallistujat" if needed)

[AnttiL]

A look into the roads through the recce videos, with emphasis on the new roads https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/07/03/rally-finland-2018-onboard-analysis/

[pantealex]

Entrylist for "practice" event Autoglymrally

https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Kiti/Competition/CompetitionEnrollListPlain.aspx?id=6365&state=1

Veiby, Katsuta, Lindholm, Arai, Nikara, Rådström, Franceschi, Oldrati...

Jarmo Lehtinen and Novikov in co-drivers side.

#47 is biggest number for foreign crew, 93 cars total.

[AnttiL]

https://areena.yle.fi/1-50005029

Presentation of the Ruuhimäki stage by the Finnish Rally radio. In Finnish, but there's really nothing groundbreaking being told.

[Sash78]

Just a quick question, now that all the camera-cars are out did anyone found any interesting place to watch the event?
I found some potential jumps along the route but any info/tips/clues from locals would be appreciated.

Thanks

[pantealex]

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4855/nrf_2018_bulletin_2_final_20180709.pdf

Bulletin 2, recce scedule etc.

Pieniazek is only non WRC2 competitor who has to use "control tyre", remember it if/when you see some privateers doing good stage times.

[AnttiL]

Just a quick question, now that all the camera-cars are out did anyone found any interesting place to watch the event?
I found some potential jumps along the route but any info/tips/clues from locals would be appreciated.

Thanks

While not being exactly a spectator guide, my latest blog article kinda tried to find interesting locations from the recce videos https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/07/03/rally-finland-2018-onboard-analysis/

[Sash78]

AnttiL thanks for the answer :) I've read yours blogs about this year route at least 10x :D and I really appreciate your effort, this is what a rally is all about. Do you have any favorite spot, ss?
I saw that last few km before the arena area of the powerstage are spectacular, but I am struggling to decide what to watch on Friday and Saturday. I am watching the spot from the photographer point of view, jumps, fast sideway.

Because this will be my first time at Neste rally Finland perhaps there will be available any spectator guide? When I received passes there wasn't any rally magazin-guide?

Thanks again!!
Sash

[Hartusvuori]

Official spectator's guide by Urheilulehti and unofficial by Vauhdin Maailma will be published this week.

It's the first time the official guide is by Urheilulehti. It'll cost 6,90e, but can only be purchased together with the day's Ilta-Sanomat newspaper which will add some 2 euros to the price.

There are some nice jumps on Friday especially on Moksi stage or Urria (for example Hirvonen's 2010). On Saturday you have Ouninpohja version in Kakaristo, so it'll definitely have some photogenic spots.

[AnttiL]

Yeah, like Hartusvuori said, can't go wrong with Hirvonen's corner in Urria or the power lines corner in Kakaristo. Both are classics but will also be crowded. Then again, both stages also have other spectacular jumps and corners. In your case I would avoid Laukaa, Ässämäki and Tuohikotanen as they feature less of the classic Rally Finland fast roads.

[sindroms]

Official spectator's guide by Urheilulehti and unofficial by Vauhdin Maailma will be published this week.

Remind m pleas - wasn't Vauhdin Maailma only in finnish?

[AnttiL]

Remind m pleas - wasn't Vauhdin Maailma only in finnish?

In the past years they have included also English information

[Luis Pacheco]

Is easy to get Urheilulehti magazine on Neste fuel stations ?

[Allez Andruet]

Is easy to get Urheilulehti magazine on Neste fuel stations ?

Should be available on each station.

[Luis Pacheco]

Thanks.

I´m still studying the stages. There are many interesting spots. Not easy to choose...

[pantealex]

Remind m pleas - wasn't Vauhdin Maailma only in finnish?

Yes, only in Finnish when Tuulilasi was official guide, before that when Vauhdin Maailma was official one it was also with english, so you can expect that Urheilulehti could be in english also. But Vauhdin Maailma has offered bettter maps than official one...

[pantealex]

Official program magazine is out, but not available online.

6,90€ but you have to buy Iltasanomat newspaper also, so it´s 8,60€ :(
Available in nearly every store and gas-stations in Finland.

It says "Virallinen Katsojaopas" on top of cover and MM-Ralli 2018 in big letters.

Partly in english.

[EstWRC]

Only partly? What the?

You mean the program is in English but the rest is in Finnish?

[pantealex]

Only partly? What the?

You mean the program is in English but the rest is in Finnish?

Everything in Finnish and all important info also in English.

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/info/uutiset/neste-rallin-virallinen-kisaopas-on-julkaistu/
Here is picture of it (click it to get bigger one)

(Vauhdin Maailma is only in Finnish this year but maps are still great.)

[satnav]

Just wondering if anyone has had access to the password for the Roadbook or the maps in the Rally Guide 2 as yet , if so a PM would go down very well .

[AnttiL]

6,90€ but you have to buy Iltasanomat newspaper also, so it´s 8,60€ :(


Myself and several others have managed to buy it without Ilta-Sanomat

[AnttiL]

Just wondering if anyone has had access to the password for the Roadbook or the maps in the Rally Guide 2 as yet , if so a PM would go down very well .

What do you need from it? Rally-maps should have the route as accurately as possible.

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Finland-2018

[Luis Pacheco]

The place for scrutineering on wednesday is open to the public ?

[Raymonhuisjes]

1610

-1 Skoda Fabia R5
- Lyytikäinen Pasi and Plosila Panu at Autoglym Ralli

[pantealex]

The place for scrutineering on wednesday is open to the public ?

Yes, and plenty of parking space. I´m probably there.

[pantealex]

1610

-1 Skoda Fabia R5
- Lyytikäinen Pasi and Plosila Panu at Autoglym Ralli

TGS had 1 spare car with them in Autoglym, we will see...
There are about 20 Fabia R5´s in Finland...

[hela]

Which day are you doing? On Friday, Moksi-Oittila-Äänekoski 2 could be a doable three stage route, or then you could go straight from Moksi to Äänekoski and stay for two runs. Or then add a detour to Oittila between the two runs of Äänekoski. Moving on the east side of lake Päijänne kinda makes it easier since most of the stages are on the west side. If you are planning to add Harju as well, then rally pass starts becoming cheaper...



hi all. found that i will be in the area on friday (!) so just arrived at this thread and seeking beginner guidance.

any recommendations for a friday spectating itinerary?

other good advice? thanks!

[AnttiL]

Again, it depends on what you want to see. Here's my recommendations for Friday

Big Jumps
- Urria 4,25 km
- Urria 6,35 km (the classic Urria jumps)
- Ässämäki start

Fast corners
- Äänekoski start and both sides of the junction
- Moksi 3,9 km
- Moksi 12,95 km (will be super crowded)
- Oittila end

Spectacular junctions
- Moksi 5,6 km
- Moksi 16,2 km (difficult to get here, Ogier's corner 2016)
- Moksi 19,6 km
- Urria 8,70 km
- Ässämäki 4,35 km
- Äänekoski 6,30 km
- Oittila 9,2 km
- Oittila 15,75 km (difficult to get here but it's worth it!)

And the same for other days as well

Big Jumps
- Päijälä 7,75 km
- Päijälä 17,20 km
- Kakaristo 7,35 km (sideways jump)
- Ruuhimäki ending

Fast corners
- Päijälä 5,40 km
- Kakaristo 6 km
- Kakaristo 21,35 km (power lines, will be super crowded)
- Tuohikotanen start
- Laukaa 8,95 km
- Ruuhimäki 8,60 km

Spectacular junctions
- Päijälä 8,75 km
- Päijälä 17,20 km
- Päijälä 22 km (a bend over a narrow bridge)
- Kakaristo 10,35 km (the Kakaristo junction, super crowded)
- Kakaristo 19,59 km (hairpin)
- Pihlajakoski 5,15 km
- Pihlajakoski start
- Tuohikotanen 2,45 km
- Tuohikotanen 4,60 km
- Tuohikotanen 7,65 km
- Ruuhimäki 2,25 km

[dimviii]

Citroen considering significant set-up change to C3 for Rally Finland

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/137486/citroen-considering-significant-c3-setup-change

[Sash78]

AnttiL

:hot: thanks!

[tommeke_B]

@AnttiL, Ogier’s corner on Moksi (was Surkee then) is the very last hairpin. ;)

[jeronilavila]

Again, it depends on what you want to see. Here's my recommendations for Friday

Big Jumps
- Urria 4,25 km
- Urria 6,35 km (the classic Urria jumps)
- Ässämäki start

Fast corners
- Äänekoski start and both sides of the junction
- Moksi 3,9 km
- Moksi 12,95 km (will be super crowded)
- Oittila end

Spectacular junctions
- Moksi 5,6 km
- Moksi 16,2 km (difficult to get here, Ogier's corner 2016)
- Moksi 19,6 km
- Urria 8,70 km
- Ässämäki 4,35 km
- Äänekoski 6,30 km
- Oittila 9,2 km
- Oittila 15,75 km (difficult to get here but it's worth it!)

And the same for other days as well

Big Jumps
- Päijälä 7,75 km
- Päijälä 17,20 km
- Kakaristo 7,35 km (sideways jump)
- Ruuhimäki ending

Fast corners
- Päijälä 5,40 km
- Kakaristo 6 km
- Kakaristo 21,35 km (power lines, will be super crowded)
- Tuohikotanen start
- Laukaa 8,95 km
- Ruuhimäki 8,60 km

Spectacular junctions
- Päijälä 8,75 km
- Päijälä 17,20 km
- Päijälä 22 km (a bend over a narrow bridge)
- Kakaristo 10,35 km (the Kakaristo junction, super crowded)
- Kakaristo 19,59 km (hairpin)
- Pihlajakoski 5,15 km
- Pihlajakoski start
- Tuohikotanen 2,45 km
- Tuohikotanen 4,60 km
- Tuohikotanen 7,65 km
- Ruuhimäki 2,25 km

Thank you very much for these recommendations, this will be our first rally in Finland, we will go three friends from Spain.
One single question, is it possible to reach these kilometric points that you indicate by car or do you have to walk from any area of spectators?
Thank you very much again.

[hela]

Here's my recommendations for Friday


Thanks!

[AnttiL]

@AnttiL, Ogier’s corner on Moksi (was Surkee then) is the very last hairpin. ;)

Not sure what you mean but the 2016 one is the one at 16 km, not the last one. You can check it from WRC+, SS10 at 5:35

[AnttiL]

Thank you very much for these recommendations, this will be our first rally in Finland, we will go three friends from Spain.
One single question, is it possible to reach these kilometric points that you indicate by car or do you have to walk from any area of spectators?
Thank you very much again.

Almost all my recommendations were official spectating areas. I think the aforementioned Ogier junction in Moksi is not.

Buy the official guide once you arrive in Finland and refer to the instructions

[jeronilavila]

Almost all my recommendations were official spectating areas. I think the aforementioned Ogier junction in Moksi is not.

Buy the official guide once you arrive in Finland and refer to the instructions
Ok,thanks again👍

[pantealex]

Service park layout:

http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site/assets/files/4811/sp_layout_final_numbers_180718.pdf

I didn´t see following numbers:
77 Louise Cook DS3 R3t WRC3 (Money issues?)
88 Pasi Lyytikäinen FabiaR5 (rolled in Autoglymrally)
90 Kees Burger FabiaR5 (co-drivers man was badly injured in Autoglymrally)
95 Veli-Matti Kaikkonen Subaru (maybe he was planning to drive Burger´s Subaru which was destroyed in Autoglymrally ?)
Is someone seeing those numbers?

[MYS]

Hello guys, can anybody recommend some parking places for the Service area ???

[jiipee64]

Here is a map


http://www.jyvasparkki.fi/img/pdf/liikennekartta.pdf

[steve.mandzij]

Does anyone else think this rally could be make or break for Latvala? If he's beaten by Ott at his own game I see him plummeting mentally.

[Allez Andruet]

Does anyone else think this rally could be make or break for Latvala? If he's beaten by Ott at his own game I see him plummeting mentally.

It's very close to being do or die for JML. That was already quite degrading, that Tänak was faster than him in Sweden, but it's still nothing compared to the situation where Tänak would beat him in Finland - on the roads JML has mastered in the past.

Almost breaks my heart as a Finn to say this, but Tänak at the moment is so phenomenal that I just can't see anyone beating him in Finland.

[er88]

If Jari gets crushed mentally by Ott in Finland (and for the rest of the season), don't be surprised if Makinen gives it serious consideration to replace him with Meeke at Toyota next year.

[Allez Andruet]

If Jari gets crushed mentally by Ott in Finland (and for the rest of the season), don't be surprised if Makinen gives it serious consideration to replace him with Meeke at Toyota next year.

If anyone's going to replace Latvala at TGR, I'd bet all my money it won't be Meeke.

[N.O.T]

If Jari gets crushed mentally by Ott in Finland (and for the rest of the season), don't be surprised if Makinen gives it serious consideration to replace him with Meeke at Toyota next year.

i hope you are not like that in real life as well...

[janvanvurpa]

Hello guys, can anybody recommend some parking places for the Service area ???


That spot over there------------------------------------->.

[SubaruNorway]

Hello guys, can anybody recommend some parking places for the Service area ???

They made an underground one just under the service area some years ago

[satnav]

Hello guys, can anybody recommend some parking places for the Service area ???

There's a big underground carpark at the service park.....

Yes the same one as previous post ……...

[Rallyper]

Not sure what you mean but the 2016 one is the one at 16 km, not the last one. You can check it from WRC+, SS10 at 5:35

Correct. It´s first right corner after fast section. Still a couple of km´s on the stage to run.

[Rallyper]

It's very close to being do or die for JML. That was already quite degrading, that Tänak was faster than him in Sweden, but it's still nothing compared to the situation where Tänak would beat him in Finland - on the roads JML has mastered in the past.

Almost breaks my heart as a Finn to say this, but Tänak at the moment is so phenomenal that I just can't see anyone beating him in Finland.

I´m not a finn, but seriously I do think JML already can see a hard fight with tanak. Why would a fast driver go mentally bananas when reality is there all the time. If JML reaches podium he should be happy and still be under Tommis wings.

(Thats my thoughts)

[Allez Andruet]

I´m not a finn, but seriously I do think JML already can see a hard fight with tanak. Why would a fast driver go mentally bananas when reality is there all the time. If JML reaches podium he should be happy and still be under Tommis wings.
Not saying this would be the ultimate truth, but I don't think "podium" is enough for Latvala in Finland - especially if he's beaten by one or two Toyotas. Why? There are few reasons. One being that he's won it three times in the past. But, the bigger reason IMO is, that his 2018 has been an absolute nightmare, and as he hasn't appeared to be mentally the strongest of the WRC line-up (although I find it absurd to call any of the fully-fledged WRC drivers anything but extremely sound mentally), this (being beaten by his teammates or anyone basically in Finland) might be seen as the final nail in the coffin. I truly hope it ain't so, no matter what happens in Finland, but I for one wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be that way.

And I must stress that I'm a fan of JML - have been since Vanajanlinna-ralli 2005, where I was absolutely amazed about the way and speed he drove the right-left-right combination I was watching at SS1 (prior to that I didn't believe he'd ever make it to the top).