[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2018 (18/21-May)

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26734370_1997093506986733_9071776260779727090_n.jp g?oh=74999e6a6064cbe5836965d5c0583fdd&oe=5AE603F5
https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26731190_1997093510320066_3537550513512601189_n.jp g?oh=abd2d5680a2ed9d1d4fb2f6b22c558fd&oe=5AF8EAA4
https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26731674_1997093643653386_8783787798034472081_n.jp g?oh=462e43fba6929a968a5d2de25c4058fe&oe=5AE7CC95
https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26804526_1997093626986721_2748837763549106880_n.jp g?oh=18e015a021bc921b3d570908fcd14f79&oe=5AEF0EC1
https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26815390_1997093496986734_2062505890456318377_n.jp g?oh=a4d526537c55dd437d203c4342c99695&oe=5AE710CF

[Andre Oliveira]

Same structure of 2017. Porto instead Braga street stage.

[AnttiL]

Same structure of 2017. Porto instead Braga street stage.

The only other addition is another run of Montim, all other stages are the same as last year.

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes. So will be Shakedown, Lousada, Caminha 1 and 2, Cabeceiras de Basto 1 and 2 and Fafe 1 and 2 to me ;)

[PLuto]

Who is interested, maps of special stages are available - http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/DocumentosOficiais/RG1/Rally_Guide1_VRP2018_anexos2.pdf

[AnttiL]

Who is interested, maps of special stages are available - http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/DocumentosOficiais/RG1/Rally_Guide1_VRP2018_anexos2.pdf

It's all the same as last year, isn't it? Except for Porto Street Stage, which isn't detailed there.

[Micke_VOC]

It's all the same as last year, isn't it? Except for Porto Street Stage, which isn't detailed there.

Yes, all the same, except Porto Street stage
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/DocumentosOficiais/RG1/Rally_Guide1_VRP2018_anexos1.pdf

[Andre Oliveira]

Katsuta/ Salminen and Arai/MacNeall on next portuguese round (Mortágua) to prepare WRC round. Al-Rahji/Orr in Fiesta RS WRC as course car.

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map WRC Portugal is now online ► http://bit.ly/2ESyLAh

[sghiwosh81]

someone has the password to log in rallyguide 2?

Inviato dal mio SM-G935F utilizzando Tapatalk

[AnttiL]

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/04/30/rally-portugal-2018-route/

Route preview, not much changes, but trying to come up with something worth saying of the stages.

[Meekefan]

Someone knows where is the spot in the video at 2:30?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEWgPWJzIA
It is labeled as Vieira do Minho, but is some spectacle zone or near of some?

Thanks a lot!

[AnttiL]

When does the entry list come out?

[Rally Power]

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/04/30/rally-portugal-2018-route/
Route preview, not much changes, but trying to come up with something worth saying of the stages.

Nice stuff AnttiL, as usual!

I just miss the mention of Portugal being one of the 7 countries still holding a WRC event since the series beginning (1973). You’re right mentioning Fafe as the iconic stage of current Portugal Rally but it would make sense to also name Sintra and Arganil on the history part of your piece (just like the video does); those 3 areas were, for decades, the ‘holy trinity’ of our rally. Btw, the North to South route of the 80’s and 90’s rally never visited the Algarve (Faro) region; it was usually divided in two legs, the second including the unforgettable Arganil dawn.


Someone knows where is the spot in the video at 2:30?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEWgPWJzIAIt is labeled as Vieira do Minho, but is some spectacle zone or near of some?

Yep, it’s Vieira stage. The spot you’re asking looks to be right after the ‘Senhora da Fé’ spectacle zone (ZE) and you can access from the ZE by foot, through the hill. Around 1:15 on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2551SV2SSyg

[dimviii]

preperations for Portugal
https://twitter.com/eWRCresults/status/991371958989320194

[AnttiL]

I just miss the mention of Portugal being one of the 7 countries still holding a WRC event since the series beginning (1973). You’re right mentioning Fafe as the iconic stage of current Portugal Rally but it would make sense to also name Sintra and Arganil on the history part of your piece (just like the video does); those 3 areas were, for decades, the ‘holy trinity’ of our rally. Btw, the North to South route of the 80’s and 90’s rally never visited the Algarve (Faro) region; it was usually divided in two legs, the second including the unforgettable Arganil dawn.
Thanks for the corrections, I updated my post a bit.

[Meekefan]

Nice stuff AnttiL, as usual!

I just miss the mention of Portugal being one of the 7 countries still holding a WRC event since the series beginning (1973). You’re right mentioning Fafe as the iconic stage of current Portugal Rally but it would make sense to also name Sintra and Arganil on the history part of your piece (just like the video does); those 3 areas were, for decades, the ‘holy trinity’ of our rally. Btw, the North to South route of the 80’s and 90’s rally never visited the Algarve (Faro) region; it was usually divided in two legs, the second including the unforgettable Arganil dawn.



Yep, it’s Vieira stage. The spot you’re asking looks to be right after the ‘Senhora da Fé’ spectacle zone (ZE) and you can access from the ZE by foot, through the hill. Around 1:15 on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2551SV2SSyg

Thanks Rally Power.

[dnb]

When does the entry list come out?

so, nobody knows?

[racerx1979]

Will be a great event. I think Lappi is one to look out for in Portugal. He's done these stages before and should set some fastest times. JML needs to come back to reality and focus on a finnish (pun intended). Tanak will also be one to look out for... or in his own words "basically we just have to drive our rally"

The Fords claim to have issue with sandy surfaces, so I'm not sure how they will do in Portugal. Ogier will can easily win this event as he's done so many times in the past, but the other teams are also developing cars. Evans still having issues and way off pace. I don't see any reason why he would do any better in Portugal, but I sure hope he does.

Hyundais looking good. I think Sordo and Paddon will be trying hard to let Hyundai know who is best. Sordo has had some good events this year and has been fast on gravel so far. Paddon has been out of a WR car for too long so it will be interesting to see if he still has his pace. With all 4 cars in this event it will be interesting.

Citroen seems to be divided with Meeke loving the new rear end set up and Breen not so much. They will start with good road position so they can do well even though they will not be testing for this event. Meeke actually did some set up tests while in Argentina and had some high hopes for the new set up. Lets see where he lands. Breen confirmed that his roof and cage are good for future rolls.

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list: http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/QuadroOficial/Listas-inscritos/Entry-List-04.05.2018-v3.pdf

[AnttiL]

Paddon chosen for manu points, but Sordo in car 6, because of linked rallies?

[pantealex]

Paddon chosen for manu points, but Sordo in car 6, because of linked rallies?

Mexico and Argentina were linked. I believe Australia is in that link also, not sure about that.

Portugal should be linked with Sardinia ?

btw. there is evo9 marked RC2 which is not possible, evo9 is national car. (car #97)

[Essaj]

Also decent lineup for WRC2, Tidemand should have it easily but fight for the other podium places should be interesting. Mainly looking for Huttunen vs. Nordgren :)

[BigWorm]

Also decent lineup for WRC2, Tidemand should have it easily but fight for the other podium places should be interesting. Mainly looking for Huttunen vs. Nordgren :)

Tidemand was supposed to have easily won Sweden, it's indeed a decent WRC2 entry list going on in Portugal as always so he might be challenged.

[RS]

Only one C3 R5 this time?

[Andre Oliveira]

Fontes will have one.

[pantealex]

Paddon chosen for manu points, but Sordo in car 6, because of linked rallies?

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/QuadroOficial/Listas-inscritos/ENTRYLIST_VODAFONE%20RALLY%20DE%20PORTUGAL_2018.pd f

It´s changed: Paddon is #6 and Sordo #16

[dimviii]

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/contentlist.aspx?menuid=216

[Tom206wrc]

Will be a great event. I think Lappi is one to look out for in Portugal. He's done these stages before and should set some fastest times. JML needs to come back to reality and focus on a finnish (pun intended). Tanak will also be one to look out for... or in his own words "basically we just have to drive our rally"

The Fords claim to have issue with sandy surfaces, so I'm not sure how they will do in Portugal. Ogier will can easily win this event as he's done so many times in the past, but the other teams are also developing cars. Evans still having issues and way off pace. I don't see any reason why he would do any better in Portugal, but I sure hope he does.

Hyundais looking good. I think Sordo and Paddon will be trying hard to let Hyundai know who is best. Sordo has had some good events this year and has been fast on gravel so far. Paddon has been out of a WR car for too long so it will be interesting to see if he still has his pace. With all 4 cars in this event it will be interesting.

Citroen seems to be divided with Meeke loving the new rear end set up and Breen not so much. They will start with good road position so they can do well even though they will not be testing for this event. Meeke actually did some set up tests while in Argentina and had some high hopes for the new set up. Lets see where he lands. Breen confirmed that his roof and cage are good for future rolls.



You forgot about Mads Östberg among the Citroëns drivers in Portugal ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Fontes will have one.


I thought Simone Tempestini shoud have driven a C3 R5 in WRC2 too :confused:

[pantealex]

I thought Simone Tempestini shoud have driven a C3 R5 in WRC2 too :confused:

CitroenSport don´t have his car ready, so he is starting with Fiasko. Next events with C3R5

[Rally Power]

Will be a great event.

Amen! The entry list is great, wheatear predictions looking nice, lots of fantastic places to watch, eat and have fun; as usual, Rally de Portugal rocks!

Last year amazing clip by Races Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A6aPZJLWes&list=PLVxrcAO_rWGanGmxtxlCPOPtKKlmduZlk&index=12

[dupanton]

CitroenSport don´t have his car ready, so he is starting with Fiasko. Next events with C3R5

I guess they had too much work repairing Lefebvres car... It was a big hit.

[rogef]

Hello people

Those interested can consult here the vision of all the zones marked by the organization of Rally of Portugal to watch to the rally in safety.

https://www.youtube.com/user/acprallydeportugal/videos

For those who come, I hope you have fun and have a great stay and a fantastic Rally

[Francis44]

Excited aswell, going to be there from Friday onwards as work volume right now wont allow for me to take more than a day off, stay safe and enjoy!!

[EstWRC]

so, shakedown tomorrow...i really like this event and i think the competition will be very close like always here...for example, last year after day one TOP6 were separated by 18 seconds!

Ogier will be very strong here, as we know he really likes this event and he has won it 5 times now, sharing the record with Alen. Its also Tänaks one of favourite events and in general i think all the drivers like this event.

Short summary of expectations: Championship TOP3 will be strong like always.
Lappi is the dark horse for me, he has shown great speed this season but just hasnt put the whole picture together, maybe this time?
im hoping to see better pace from Suninen and Mikkelsen
Will Latvala bounce back with great result? He has excellent starting position
Will Sordo continue with his good speed on gravel?
And what can Paddon do after a long pause?

Cant wait, i think its gonna be a great event (at least i hope so)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Portugal, the first of three consecutive European gravel events - it could be a big indicator of how the Championship will pan out

Will M-Sport's Seb Ogier return to form, or will one of the challengers make a clear statement that they really can beat him this year... ?

[AnttiL]

so, shakedown tomorrow...i really like this event and i think the competition will be very close like always here...for example, last year after day one TOP6 were separated by 18 seconds!

Ogier will be very strong here, as we know he really likes this event and he has won it 5 times now, sharing the record with Alen. Its also Tänaks one of favourite events and in general i think all the drivers like this event.

Short summary of expectations: Championship TOP3 will be strong like always.
Lappi is the dark horse for me, he has shown great speed this season but just hasnt put the whole picture together, maybe this time?
im hoping to see better pace from Suninen and Mikkelsen
Will Latvala bounce back with great result? He has excellent starting position
Will Sordo continue with his good speed on gravel?
And what can Paddon do after a long pause?

Cant wait, i think its gonna be a great event (at least i hope so)

Well said.

Will also be interesting to see the pace of the Citroens, including Østberg. Last year was so even, it's really hard to make any predictions, anyone can be strong here.

[rage82]

First shakedown times from ewrc-results.com:

1. #8 Tänak Ott - Järveoja Martin icon Toyota Yaris WRC 3:07.5
2. #1 Ogier S. - Ingrassia J. icon Ford Fiesta WRC 3:08.3
3. #5 Neuville Thierry - Gilsoul N. icon Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC 3:08.6

[EstWRC]

third time was not driven by Sordo, it was MIkkelsen, im following the wrc plus live maps. https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/44260-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2018/

and Paddons time is missing

[EstWRC]

first run completed https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/44260-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2018/?run=1

[EstWRC]

second run

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdYb-HoWAAEk6uJ.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some live SD https://www.facebook.com/romeucostafotografia/videos/1674008946022515/

Nice jump ! https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/997028418557566976

[muratgunarslan]

any news about turkish wrc2 driver murat bostanci? no shakedown time?

[KKS]

Paddon time stronger than Sordo's, a bit confusing after such a great line of gravel rallys by Dani

[Rallyper]

Paddon did a lot of rallying back in NZ lately I believe.

[Mk2 RS2000]

Paddon time stronger than Sordo's, a bit confusing after such a great line of gravel rallys by Dani

The confusion is only in your mind.

[Grundo Farb]

Paddon time stronger than Sordo's, a bit confusing after such a great line of gravel rallys by Dani

Seriously? Paddon has always been faster than Sordo on gravel, which begs the question again why he didn't do Argentina, Mexico... But all water under the bridge. Be interesting if both he and Sordo beat Mikkelsen here...

[KKS]

The confusion is only in your mind.
Angry kiwi's armada at my door

[racerx1979]

Paddon time stronger than Sordo's, a bit confusing after such a great line of gravel rallys by Dani

It's shakedown.. means nothing really.

[Mk2 RS2000]

Angry kiwi's armada at my door

Not at all but I am sure that the forefathers of many members know what happens when a determined Kiwi arrives in town.
By the way, some of us rate Dani pretty highly too, a level playing field would be a nice thing to see.

[EstWRC]

It's shakedown.. means nothing really.

This!

[AMSS]

I know it`s just shakedown and as such means nothing but in WRC 2 at least until Pedro Heller I think all drivers are on Michelin tires

[GravelBen]

Seriously? Paddon has always been faster than Sordo on gravel, which begs the question again why he didn't do Argentina, Mexico...

Simple answer to that - the team thinks a Spanish driver is better marketing value in Spanish-speaking countries. Pretty sure thats all there was to it with those rallies.

[AnttiL]

Everybody already forgot how fast Sordo was on gravel last year, only plagued by technical issues while Paddon also made some mistakes (Argentina and Sardegna). And looking at Sordo’s two gravel podiums this year, seems like a good choice. Also, if you want to split the season in half you need to give gravel rallies for Sordo, and I think Mexico, Argentina and Portugal are the best for him.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/gUKlL4lSyiM

https://youtu.be/ctkJgdmEftM

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/ZW-beMUk_lM

[cali]

Angry kiwi's armada at my door

For a reason

[dimviii]

Nice jump ! https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/997028418557566976

Tanak
https://twitter.com/WorldRallyFans/status/997005475756609536

Ogier
https://www.facebook.com/worldfanrally/videos/vb.1860243270932796/1903957993227990/?type=2&theater

[dimviii]

Craig Breen

Shakedown finished, but the time doesn’t reflect how happy we are with the car. The setup wasn’t right in the morning, but we found the sweet spot on the final run except the road had deteriorated.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEObR5if_BU&list=PLCzUhQitDup0YdLKe8mesHt0zSXGwUER5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Portugal record unlikely says Ogier - https://t.co/RdumWOAfKe https://t.co/C6muDLayy1

[N.O.T]

Portugal record unlikely says Ogier - https://t.co/RdumWOAfKe https://t.co/C6muDLayy1

was mr kaiser crying while giving the interview ??

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdZi5EgWsAAnTRZ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdZi54nWsAA0rLB.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Wtf is that start order?

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/QuadroOficial/Listas-partida/Start-List-for-Section-2–TC1B–Friday-18th-May-2018.pdf

[Teme]

Wtf is that start order?

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/QuadroOficial/Listas-partida/Start-List-for-Section-2–TC1B–Friday-18th-May-2018.pdf

Just scanned in a wrong order.

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes :) sorry

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdZwIVdX4AU319F.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

was mr kaiser crying while giving the interview ??

No.
http://www.wrc.com/images//News/2018/May2018/13727_Ogier-Mexico-2018_666_896x504.jpg?

Just stating the fact. What should he do lie, or drive flat out on the loose and crash ?

[Teme]

btw. there is evo9 marked RC2 which is not possible, evo9 is national car. (car #97)

Stewards are still thinking this few hours before the start according the start lists..

[pantealex]

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/QuadroOficial/Listas-partida/Start-List-for-Section-2–TC1B–Friday-18th-May-2018.pdf

Andre!

Did you notice that all JWRC are also WRC3...

EWRC has one less in WRC3

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32697805_957503257754351_1264796868567629824_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=5d95900af1e874f947081ff9be6cdeb2&oe=5B8AB909
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32720212_957503461087664_4228660577272070144_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=0863a474c3003a588bda07f7dad6a0ec&oe=5B503A02
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32547758_957503491087661_6768066510792425472_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=cb5a01d3a04c3cfa30c86a33c9ee40f4&oe=5B84B84A
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32969674_957503767754300_3595438679646011392_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=a9f7513eb6c808ebced40bbe01403495&oe=5B82D99A
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32750551_957504184420925_3729417955356704768_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=ff12638d9628dd0878a099e6ce4a3d05&oe=5B7FF5CD



from https://www.facebook.com/pg/michelinmotorsport/photos/?tab=album&album_id=275958199242197

[dimviii]

@Michelin_Sport

#Tyre info - SS1 - All Michelin #WRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S5 except Citroën with 4S5 +1H4 #RallyPortugal

[dimviii]

WRC drivers: 2018 road works have hurt Rally Portugal's 'character'

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/136097/drivers-road-works-hurt-portugal-character

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/hfr_dsc_5023.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/hfr_dsc_5000.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/hfr_dsc_4574.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44260-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2018/515/

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/dwi_2018r06portugal-portraits0290.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/dwi_2018r06portugal-portraits0220.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/dwi_2018r06portugal-portraits0240.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44260-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2018/335/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/hfr_dsc_5023.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/hfr_dsc_5000.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2018/hfr_dsc_4574.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44260-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2018/515/

Gravel rally ? More like driving on a beach.

[dimviii]

Michelin video at 1,20 subtitles refering that Ogier is at citroen racing team
https://youtu.be/OvcLIA4xNxk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC drivers: 2018 road works have hurt Rally Portugal's 'character'

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/136097/drivers-road-works-hurt-portugal-character

Fixing roads that are really bad is one thing, but putting down tonnes of sand so all are smooth is over the top.

[dupanton]

Did Suninen jump the start? He seemed to be going very early and is 1" faster then everybody else.
Latvala already making mistakes...

[EstWRC]

Did Suninen jump the start? He seemed to be going very early and is 1" faster then everybody else.
Latvala already making mistakes...

seemed so to me too...he was very early off the line compared to Paddon

[mknight]

It's on 28:13 on the alllive SS1 vid.

Sunninen has his front wheel on the startline when the board in the middle changes color. So probably will get jumpstart penalty.

[AnttiL]

Car #93 has been given jump start penalty already. So why wouldn't Suninen receive it yet?

[Tarmop]

I think Paddon just dawdled and that gave the impression of his rivals jump start.

[Raini]

This is where times comes from:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is where times comes from:

Exceeding track limits ! ;)

[mknight]

This is where times comes from:

All others were up on the kerb, Tanak is just with the right wheel on the grass.

What was imo easier to see was that both Ogier and Mikkelsen were very wide at the uphill left after the tunnel.

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Paddon vs Suninen start in picture.

The board is still red (turns green next) and Suninen's wheel is on the startline. However, sometimes the sensor is a bit in ahead of the line so might be that he got away with it. In either case it's not like he gained 1s from it.

[Tauri_J]

Exceeding track limits ! ;)

nope

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdbJJbLU0AAHG5y.jpg:large

[dimviii]

team spirit
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi5CxP0lu0k/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1tfu6xwtnr9vk

[dimviii]

Opens&Tightens
‏


@OpensTightens
#WRC #RallydePortugal SSS1

@CitroenPortugal's @zepedrofontes' #C3R5 could not make it to the start of 1st stage, having an engine issue at Ceremonial Start.
I can see @CitroenRacing's mech. going down to Fontes place at SP, inspecting the car w/ #Lefebvre in mind...

[T16]

Is it just me, or are the Hyundai personnel in the official WRC instagram clip (just in their main instagram feed) standing in the most ridiculous position?... outside of a bend.
Not entirely sure it’s a good example to set.
Sorry, shit at posting links.

[SubaruNorway]

Is it just me, or are the Hyundai personnel in the official WRC instagram clip (just in their main instagram feed) standing in the most ridiculous position?... outside of a bend.
Not entirely sure it’s a good example to set.
Sorry, shit at posting links.

No, It's 50m after coming out of a slow corner.

[Sulland]

[QUOTE

@CitroenPortugal's @zepedrofontes' #C3R5 could not make it to the start of 1st stage, having an engine issue at Ceremonial Start.
I can see @CitroenRacing's mech. going down to Fontes place at SP, inspecting the car w/ #Lefebvre in mind...[/QUOTE]

What did happen to the C3, did they get it going again?

[racerx1979]

Latvala said the car stalled hence why he lost time. Real day starts in a few hours.

[AnttiL]

No, It's 50m after coming out of a slow corner.

And with a wall to escape behind

[Lead]

No live timing on wrc.com?

[EstWRC]

2 minute starting intervals?

[AL14]

Hello guys, good rally everybody, let's hope to have some fun this weekend.

[Rallyper]

No live timing on wrc.com?

Looks like they don´t update the wrc.com sight at all. And yes no live results as far as I can see. Ridiculous!

[salamaja]

No live timing on wrc.com?

The whole page seems to be broken

[Rallyper]

Dusty conditions?

[AL14]

The whole page seems to be broken

What a strange issue! Usually everything goes without any problems. Check your device because I can't believe that the live page of wrc.com is not working

[AnttiL]

https://michelinmotorsport.com/Evenement/Rally-de-Portugal2 Michelin splits

[AnttiL]

Neuville 2.3 s faster than Ogier on 2nd split.

And Tänak already two seconds faster than Neuville on first split.

[EstWRC]

Ott stopped

[Rallyper]

Tanak under the bonnet!!

[AnttiL]

Kurat!

[AL14]

what the hell :(

[EstWRC]

how come they cant fix the issues with the car already, damn

championship gone basically now i think

[Rallyper]

When cooled down he should be limping towards stage end, wouldn´t he?

[N.O.T]

how come they cant fix the issues with the car already, damn

championship gone basically now i think

because they are a village team of nobodies.... 3 years and nothing changed with a huge budget because they have a team manager with posters of mitsubishis in the garage milking the stupid japanese. Don't they realise they have to change management and hire someone who doesn't choose his employees based on ethnicity ?

[EstWRC]

Ott still fastest in first split, lol

[EightGear]

Damn thats a shame.

[mknight]

Well in simple view it seems like Toyota really are pushing the engine too hard. How many rallies with similar issues is this? Bascially every 3rd rally there is something.

Kinda puts this into perspective:


Ott still fastest in first split, lol

[AnttiL]

Sordo is flying

[tc10a]

What a strange issue! Usually everything goes without any problems. Check your device because I can't believe that the live page of wrc.com is not working

Yes no problem at all, working normally.

[rp]

Now it was Ott´s turn :( It just had to happen to him also, because earlier Latvala and Lappi have suffered...

[jonkka]

Yes no problem at all, working normally.

Meaning - no results... :D

[Rallyper]

because they are a village team of nobodies.... 3 years and nothing changed with a huge budget because they have a team manager with posters of mitsubishis in the garage milking the stupid japanese. Don't they realise they have to change management and hire someone who doesn't choose his employees based on ethnicity ?

Both JML and Lappi still running ...

[N.O.T]

Both JML and Lappi still running ...

it doesn't matter... WRC retirements from mechanical issues are very rare nowadays only that junk village team have them...

[EstWRC]

Now it was Ott´s turn :( It just had to happen to him also, because earlier Latvala and Lappi have suffered...

his turn was already in mexico

[rp]

it doesn't matter... WRC retirements from mechanical issues are very rare nowadays only that junk village team have them...

You should know that the engines are coming from Germany!

[AnttiL]

Wow Evans is now fast

[salamaja]

What a strange issue! Usually everything goes without any problems. Check your device because I can't believe that the live page of wrc.com is not working

plus.wrc.com - works fine
regular wrc.com - missing a lot of functionality
+ first time having major issues on AndroidTV app :/
1 if these days..

[Rallyper]

Tanak hit a big stone with left front wheel.

[tc10a]

Tänak hits stone quite heavy - not a fault of Toyotas engine

[Rallyper]

it doesn't matter... WRC retirements from mechanical issues are very rare nowadays only that junk village team have them...

Let´s continue the discussion over team status after Portugal. But we are many who seen the opposite from Toyota. Now on to the rally.

[AnttiL]

Now Paddon finally outdid Tänak's first split

[Rallyper]

Sordo flying.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Stage appears to be cleaning a lot with later runners recording faster 1st splits than Ogier and Neuville. Wow, look at Paddon's 1st split!

[Simmi]

Sordo, seemingly in the twilight of his WRC career, is pulling out some top stage times lately. Not sure where this has come from!

[N.O.T]

Sordo, seemingly in the twilight of his WRC career, is pulling out some top stage times lately. Not sure where this has come from!

from the magical world of road cleaning....

[Allez Andruet]

Paddon!

[EstWRC]

Tänak hits stone quite heavy - not a fault of Toyotas engine

didnt saw that. where the stone was, middle of the corner?

[Lead]

Not a good start from Toyota boys.

[Tarmop]

Two gabbage-sized stones in the ideal trajectory i believe.

[Rallyper]

What I saw it was just after going wide after exit of a righthander with an lefthander coming up directly. Might be wrong.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Missing split for Ostberg - likely a timing glitch?

[René]

didnt saw that. where the stone was, middle of the corner?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ddd2lhkUQAAuDMZ.jpg

[EstWRC]

well, he could have avoided those? or not?

ah nevermind, definitely i wouldnt call it a mistake.

shame, i think he would have fought for victory

[Tarmop]

How, after coming from a righthander? Ideal trajectory and speed calculated in recce. Not so easy.

[stefanvv]

wrong picture

[AnttiL]

Greensmith faster than Tidemand on split 4. Tidemand probably with a problem.

[Tarmop]

wrong picture

Right i believe, he carried on for a while.

[Rallyper]

wrong picture

No.

[Rallyper]

Rear right puncture for Tidemand

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame that for Tanak and the team, sheer bad luck it seems. Thats the kind of thing that usually affects Meeke.

[er88]

Championship could've looked more congested at the top between 4 drivers, had Tanak not had bad luck that was out of his control in Mexico and now here (unless this retirement was his mistake? I've not seen it yet but it sounds car related again). And had Meeke not had two podiums taken away due to the co driver error in corsica and the unavoidable puncture in Argentina.

Shame, but the Toyota cannot be trusted despite the clear speed they have. If Seb and Neuville get decent to good finishes here it'll be hard for Tanak to catch Seb considering how consistently quick the champion is.

[stefanvv]

No.

Right, my mistake. Now looked closer on the replay. So he wasn't wide anywhere it was just on the racing line.

[Tarmop]

Championship could've looked more congested at the top between 4 drivers, had Tanak not had bad luck that was out of his control in Mexico and now here (unless this retirement was his mistake? I've not seen it yet but it sounds car related again). And had Meeke not had two podiums taken away due to the co driver error in corsica and the unavoidable puncture in Argentina.

Shame, but the Toyota cannot be trusted despite the clear speed they have. If Seb and Neuville get decent to good finishes here it'll be hard for Tanak to catch Seb considering how consistently quick the champion is.

Wouldn`t blame him nor the car in this case, just lack of luck.

[N.O.T]

rallybase have paddon and sordo mixed up....

[mknight]

Wouldn`t blame him nor the car in this case, just lack of luck.

Yes but you can totally blame the car for Mexico and Argentina PS. And you can blame the driver for Sweden error when trying to pass Meeke.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo, seemingly in the twilight of his WRC career, is pulling out some top stage times lately. Not sure where this has come from!

Best time of the earlier runners. He has had some decent drives on gravel in the past and maybe all his experience is finally paying off.

[Rallyper]

Right, my mistake. Now looked closer on the replay. So he wasn't wide anywhere it was just on the racing line.

Yes maybe more in the raceline. So where did those stones come from? Lying where they did.

[Tarmop]

Yes but you can totally blame the car for Mexico and Argentina PS. And you can blame the driver for Sweden error when trying to pass Meeke.

Well Argentina PS problem wasn`t crucial, didn`t cost a place and everyone has those small things. With Fiesta he drove on 3 cylinders, without a rear wing, wiperissues etcetc. Sweden error cost him 1-2 places so not that big of a difference.

[Micke_VOC]

Puncture for Nordgren to ? 1 min 12 s after fastest WRC2
Bad start for the Skoda-crews.

[AnttiL]

Neuville again slower than Ogier on the splits. Perhaps the cleaning needs more cars to pass and Ogier is better at managing it than Neuville?

[RS]

Looks like problems for Nordgren on SS2 as well.

Skoda might have a fight on their hands to win this one for a change.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke on the road repairing: "They have cleaned the roads up quite a lot, taken out some of the big rocks which would stop you cutting and that's good, that's made it more enjoyable. But this layer of sand on the top of the road is too much."

This didnt help Tanak did it...

[AnttiL]

Puncture for Nordgren to ? 1 min 12 s after fastest WRC2
Bad start for the Skoda-crews.

And Lefebvre outdid Greensmith by 7 seconds

[Simmi]

Nice memories from this stage last year. Need to go back to Portugal one day

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4199/34017441483_b7313cfbb6_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TQ1hcM)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/TQ1hcM) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

[Micke_VOC]

Nice memories from this stage last year. Need to go back to Portugal one day

Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/TQ1hcM) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

I was on the same place last year =)

[stefanvv]

Yes maybe more in the raceline. So where did those stones come from? Lying where they did.

Ogier's Fiesta? They didn't look very big, it was combination with compression. Tough luck.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier keeping ahead of Neuville so far...

[Mintexmemory]

6 seconds covering top6 means there is much to play for over the next 2 stages. Ogier will just be concerned about Neuville for the present.

[AnttiL]

Latvala fastest at split 1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke looking good on the splits.

[stefanvv]

That's one "boring" stage, everybody more or less equal.

[AnttiL]

Latvala stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala out now. Saw the missing split but didnt think that was going to happen.

[Rallyper]

Noooo. Latvala.

[BigWorm]

No pressure now Lappi

[Rallyper]

Now I´m fully aware that JML needs a doctor.

It´s sad to say, but true.

[N.O.T]

Dogs !!!! Dogs everywhere !!!!!!

[HenryEST]

Tänak hitting rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sivoWyQ4Hwg

[Oliverk]

Tänak hitting rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sivoWyQ4Hwg

Where the hell did them come from. I can't believe rocks were there in recce.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice Breen onboard.

[Mintexmemory]

Dogs !!!! Dogs everywhere !!!!!!

Can I enquire as to their health status?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disaster for Evans - he needed to make the most of his road position this morning. Really bad for his low confidence too.

[EstWRC]

Tänak hitting rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sivoWyQ4Hwg

Couldn’t definitely have avoided those, those came so suddenly :(

[N.O.T]

Can I enquire as to their health status?

they are sick man !!!!! sick to the bone !!!!! i cannot stand it anymore....

[racerx1979]

Toyota's too low with suspension travel. They need to sort a lot of things moving forward with ground clearance. They have had engine damage nearly every time they bottom out. Seems like a serious issue..

[stefanvv]

Disaster for Evans - he needed to make the most of his road position this morning. Really bad for his low confidence too.

Yeah, he almost won this stage up to the last split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Strange Paddon talking of tyre wear - Ogier said the extra sand put down would mean tyre wear wouldnt be an issue here.

[EstWRC]

What happened with latvala? Sorry I can’t follow properly since I’m at work

[Rallyper]

Yeah, he almost won this stage up to the last split.

"Almost never shoot a hare" A say in Sweden.

[racerx1979]

What happened with latvala? Sorry I can’t follow properly since I’m at work

Seems like he had another off. Not sure if over driving or something wrong with the car, but JML and OT out. Lappi frustrated. Toyota = 0, Portugal = 1.

[cali]

Yes but you can totally blame the car for Mexico and Argentina PS. And you can blame the driver for Sweden error when trying to pass Meeke.It's rallying ;) mistakes happen on both ends. Pity but that rallying at it's best and worst

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS3 Caminha 1 (18.11 km): @JariMattiWRC will not continue today due to broken suspension. The team will be able to fully assess the damage when the car is back in service. #RallydePortugal

[stefanvv]

Latvala seem to broke suspension, but wasn't replay on this, just wide road marks.

[KKS]

Kris Meeke! Kris Meeke, Kris Meeke, Kris Meeke!! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Everyone making time up to Ogier on this one...

[AnttiL]

For once Mikkelsen is the fastest out of the first five cars

aaaand just as I posted, his next split came in and slower than Neuville

[AnttiL]

so, Lappi has a fast opening split. Suspension damage soon?

[EstWRC]

According to Estonian media Tänak isn’t continuing

[AnttiL]

According to Estonian media Tänak isn’t continuing

That would fit the series of similar damages (Lappi 2017 Poland, Latvala 2017 Spain, Latvala 2018 Argentina)

[René]

Something wrong with Meeke ?

[AnttiL]

And Paddon again fastest on first split, Evans fastest on third split.

[AnttiL]

Meeke and Lappi losing time

[AnttiL]

Paddon absolutely flying

[stefanvv]

And Paddon again fastest on first split,

Perhaps preserving the tyres on the previous is paying off.

[AnttiL]

Now Evans also losing time at the end. What's going on?

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala is totally lost... How has it gone so wrong?

[Rallyper]

Paddon drops down

[BigWorm]

Ogier, Neuville and Mikkelsen have done some respectable times, Mikkelsen was not so good on the first one today but has improved. Keeping in touch.

[AnttiL]

Everyone after Sordo loses a lot of time in the ruts at the end of the stage

[stefanvv]

No wonder Tommi was pushing for shorter stages/events.

Even that wouldn't help if they keep dropping under 10km.

[Simmi]

No one able to take a grip on the event this morning. Lots of different stage winners and leaders - and it only does one thing: benefits Ogier.

[EstWRC]

Ogier will win this

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Brilliant morning by Ogier despite the road sweeping.

[BigWorm]

Strange Paddon talking of tyre wear - Ogier said the extra sand put down would mean tyre wear wouldnt be an issue here.

It is probably down to driving styles, Ogier is the best in the business managing tyres while Paddon likes to slide a bit more.

[Rallyper]

So also Tanak wonders where those rocks came from.

[Rallyper]

Front right suspension broke for JML. Unluck or what?

[racerx1979]

Are people sabotaging the stages?? That would be a damn shame.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It should be easy to see if the rocks were there for the previous cars.

[GravelBen]

It is probably down to driving styles, Ogier is the best in the business managing tyres while Paddon likes to slide a bit more.

Sometimes the flipside of the sweeping for early cars is reduced tyre wear from lower grip, and later cars can get more wear from having more bare rock underneath.

[Rallyper]

Now having a break from computer. See you guys.

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEAb4hhBnM

Video of Tänak hitting stones. The filmer even zooms on the stones before Tänak. After he hits them, the marshalls go throw them out.

[Rally Hokkaido]

At least one of the rocks was there when Neuville went through. He passed to the inside of it (and maybe dislodged some other rocks?).

[steve.mandzij]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEAb4hhBnM

Video of Tänak hitting stones. The filmer even zooms on the stones before Tänak. After he hits them, the marshalls go throw them out.That's horrible. Plot against Tanak or Toyota?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's horrible. Plot against Tanak or Toyota?

No just stones dislodged by the previous cars. Plus Tanak it them full on. Unlucky.

[racerx1979]

Tanak plowed through them.... but are marshals aloud to do such things?

[N.O.T]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEAb4hhBnM

Video of Tänak hitting stones. The filmer even zooms on the stones before Tänak. After he hits them, the marshalls go throw them out.

worthless marshals of shit...

are those worthless waste of oxygen subhuman idiots blind ????? can't they see the stones on the racing line ???? what the f*** do they think their job is ?? just to keep the brazilian crowds in control ??

stupid idiots !!!!!! we lost one of the championship contenders because of their incompetence....

[stefanvv]

At least one of the rocks was there when Neuville went through. He passed to the inside of it (and maybe dislodged some other rocks?).

Neuville hit the sharp one too, his car also lifts at the front, not as much as Tanak's. Neuville was on the throttle, perhaps that saved him.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Neuville hit the sharp one too, his car also lifts at the front, not as much as Tanak's. Neuville was on the throttle, perhaps that saved him.

Yes, you are correct. You can even hear the sound of his impact.

[EstWRC]

worthless marshals of shit...

are those worthless waste of oxygen subhuman idiots blind ????? can't they see the stones on the racing line ???? what the f*** do they think their job is ?? just to keep the brazilian crowds in control ??

stupid idiots !!!!!! we lost one of the championship contenders because of their incompetence....

+1

[mknight]

Ogier will win this

Yeah loosing so little today and looking at his last year speed he is now the main favorite.

That said Hyundai and Neuville especially had very often bad friday morning only to be faster and faster over the weekend.

[wrc2017]

worthless marshals of shit...

are those worthless waste of oxygen subhuman idiots blind ????? can't they see the stones on the racing line ???? what the f*** do they think their job is ?? just to keep the brazilian crowds in control ??

stupid idiots !!!!!! we lost one of the championship contenders because of their incompetence....

chill.
this isn't F1.
rocks on a gravel rally is normal.
if it wasn't this corner.. it would be another without marshals, anyway it not their job.

[EstWRC]

At rally Finland I have seen every year that the marshals throw the stones away right away. I remember one very well on ruuhimaki Shakedown one year when a big stone came out onto the racing line and the marshal jumped right away after the car into the track and threw the stone away.

The crowd all applauded

[mknight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEAb4hhBnM


In addition to what has been said.

Rideheight vs other cars? Some definitely look a bit higher.

The car dips a bit at the front just before the hit, brakes? Ogier and Neuville dip a little bit as well at that spot, but the 4 later cars including Toyota do not.

[N.O.T]

chill.
this isn't F1.
rocks on a gravel rally is normal.
if it wasn't this corner.. it would be another without marshals, anyway it not their job.

change sport and never come back

[denkimi]

How ridiculous is this timing? 5 hours between morning and midday loop. Do they need to hold a siesta in between or what?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEAb4hhBnM

Video of Tänak hitting stones. The filmer even zooms on the stones before Tänak. After he hits them, the marshalls go throw them out.
That's a hard impact, but it shouln't break the bottom protection, let alone the engine.

[sollitt]

Dogs !!!! Dogs everywhere !!!!!!Are they sick?

[stefanvv]

anyway it not their job.

Wrong. It's exactly their job to guarantee the safety of the spectators + racing cars.

[stefanvv]

"Almost never shoot a hare" A say in Sweden.

If I understand the meaning right, I've heard almost the same in Bulgaria. Just the animal is NOT's favorite patient.

[sollitt]

worthless marshals of shit...

are those worthless waste of oxygen subhuman idiots blind ????? can't they see the stones on the racing line ???? what the f*** do they think their job is ?? just to keep the brazilian crowds in control ??I

stupid idiots !!!!!! we lost one of the championship contenders because of their incompetence....

Are you suggesting that their job is to remove rocks from the stage?

[stefanvv]

That's a hard impact, but it shouln't break the bottom protection, let alone the engine.

The engine has broke because the oil had leaked from the cooler.

[Tarmop]

Gabbage-sized rocks in racing line shouldn`t be there, so yes. But what do you expect, when an organizer thinks it is ok to let the stage continue through a forestfire, with a place catching cars out or almost catching out.
http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=671

[denkimi]

The engine has broke because the oil had leaked from the cooler.
Well, That only means they have placed their oil cooler in the wrong place, or their protection is not good enough.

Anyway, it shouln't happen. A big rock may damage the suspension, but nothing else.

[stefanvv]

Marshals "job" (not aware of anyone getting paid to be a marshal) is to ensure the safe running of the stage mainly centered around spectator safety and assistance of a crew in the event of an incident. Going onto a live stage to move rocks isnt exactly supposed to be part of the role however those of us who have marshalled will have moved rocks at some point. Its up to the crews normally not to hit them.


You're right. That's only potential danger some rock to fly by a car and hit someone.

[bandit12]

which is the highest place achieved in the rallye2 system?

[tc10a]

which is the highest place achieved in the rallye2 system?

Probably P2 from Loeb in Monte Carlo 2006

[Simmi]

One thing is for sure - no spectator could go out and remove those rocks. This is Portugal so you'd have about four meathead officers coming straight towards you.

It's just unlucky I think. This exact same thing could have happened on a corner free from people. It's just rallying, the road is evolving all the time.

[devil's land]

Gabbage-sized rocks in racing line shouldn`t be there, so yes. But what do you expect, when an organizer thinks it is ok to let the stage continue through a forestfire, with a place catching cars out or almost catching out.


It's sad for Tanak and for the championship.
He was outside the cobblestone road. He was making a cutting of almost 2 metres. All crews make this huge cut but it takes its risks.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well, That only means they have placed their oil cooler in the wrong place, or their protection is not good enough.

Anyway, it shouln't happen. A big rock may damage the suspension, but nothing else.

After they graded the roads and laid sand to smooth them, maybe Toyota didnt think the road could be so rough and didnt get their suspension soft enough here.

Hyundai have also had their problems with 'weak' front suspension breaking easily in the past.

The decades of experience of M-Sport may be a big reason why they rarely seem to get such damage.

[Rallyper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEAb4hhBnM

Video of Tänak hitting stones. The filmer even zooms on the stones before Tänak. After he hits them, the marshalls go throw them out.

So N.O.T. : Not the way you wanted it. No car can stand such a big stone.

[Rallyper]

Neuville hit the sharp one too, his car also lifts at the front, not as much as Tanak's. Neuville was on the throttle, perhaps that saved him.

Yeah, but that was outside the raceline. And to me it looks like Tanak is not cutting. Neuville did cut after going wide in the righthander.

[AnttiL]

How ridiculous is this timing? 5 hours between morning and midday loop. Do they need to hold a siesta in between or what?

Five hours is bending it.

SS4 (27 km) started at 10:53
130 km of liaison
Regroup at 13:25
Service in at 13:40
Service out at 14:14
Refuel
76 km of liaison
SS5 starts at 15:25

So the biggest gap is the 2 hours from the end of SS4 to the regroup, but that long liaison and entering the city probably takes all that time.

I agree that it's annoying for spectators, but geography cannot be changed, reasonable places for service park and reasonable stages are often far from each other.

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdevQg1V4AAXX5q.jpg

Rain expected for SS7

https://twitter.com/davidevansrally/status/997458552469016577