[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2018 (18/21-May)

[sonnybobiche]

Five hours is bending it.

SS4 (27 km) started at 10:53
130 km of liaison
Regroup at 13:25
Service in at 13:40
Service out at 14:14
Refuel
76 km of liaison
SS5 starts at 15:25

So the biggest gap is the 2 hours from the end of SS4 to the regroup, but that long liaison and entering the city probably takes all that time.

Hence, there's far too much liaison between the stages. This has been a problem for many years, but hopefully now they have some incentive to actually fix it.

I was watching a classic rally the other day, I think Tour de Corse '85. Over 3 days, it was 1100 km of competitive stages and something like 500 km of liaison. That is the correct ratio, I think. What we have now must be hellishly boring for the drivers.

[mknight]

Any word if Latvala can join tomorrow?

After first section best Toyota is on 11th outside of points! That's a disaster for manu. champ as well.

[jparker]

Well, That only means they have placed their oil cooler in the wrong place, or their protection is not good enough.

Anyway, it shouln't happen. A big rock may damage the suspension, but nothing else.

I agree with you. Engine and related parts should be well protected, and should withstand even bigger rocks and impacts.
TGR definitely need to sort this out.

[er88]

Any word yet on the different tyre choices for the afternoon loop?

[dimviii]

FRI 11:47 - LATVALA UPDATE
Kaj Lindström has also given an update on Jari-Matti: " We got a message that the right-front suspension is broken and he can’t continue. The damper is broken but we should be in a better position compared to Argentina because it sounds like it is just the damper. He said it was just a hole he went over and it broke the damper. We’ll have to check the on-board to make sure how it happened.”


FRI 11:43 - TÄNAK
WRC All Live caught up with Ott Tänak in the service park: “Obviously we have an engine issue, we had to stop on the stage and it wasn’t possible to continue. Basically we had a leak in the radiator after hitting a rock. It was interesting, a spectator point with lots of loose rocks. I don’t believe we will be back because the engine is broken.”

[dimviii]

Any word yet on the different tyre choices for the afternoon loop?

#Tyre info - Day 1 afternoon:

Citroën/Suninen: 5 Michelin LTX Force H4
Lappi/Evans: 4H+1S
Ogier: 3H+2S
Neuville: 6S
Mikkelsen/Paddon: 3S+2H
Sordo: 5S

[dimviii]

TGR_WRC
Update: Unfortunately car #8 has to be retired from the rally and will not take any further part in the event. #RallydePortugal

[er88]

Interesting that Citroen have put all 3 crews on the same tyres, instead of hedging their bets and covering more bases. Must be pretty confident

[N.O.T]

Are you suggesting that their job is to remove rocks from the stage?

yes... hey are there for the safety of the brazilian spectators and competitors. IT IS THEIR JOB.

[KKS]

Completely different tyre choices by Citroen and Hyundai

[N.O.T]

So N.O.T. : Not the way you wanted it. No car can stand such a big stone.

yes, but now i have a new victim to vent on, the brazilian marshals... so a win for me nevertheless.

[steve.mandzij]

FRI 11:47 - LATVALA UPDATE
Kaj Lindström has also given an update on Jari-Matti: " We got a message that the right-front suspension is broken and he can’t continue. The damper is broken but we should be in a better position compared to Argentina because it sounds like it is just the damper. He said it was just a hole he went over and it broke the damper. We’ll have to check the on-board to make sure how it happened.”


FRI 11:43 - TÄNAK
WRC All Live caught up with Ott Tänak in the service park: “Obviously we have an engine issue, we had to stop on the stage and it wasn’t possible to continue. Basically we had a leak in the radiator after hitting a rock. It was interesting, a spectator point with lots of loose rocks. I don’t believe we will be back because the engine is broken.”I don't get why people picked on the Hyundai's fragility last year after driver errors, when it seems the Yaris is made of paper below the wheels.

[dimviii]

Interesting that Citroen have put all 3 crews on the same tyres, instead of hedging their bets and covering more bases. Must be pretty confident

hyundai also the same with softs

[Essaj]

Ogier off!!

[jparker]

I don't get why people picked on the Hyundai's fragility last year after driver errors, when it seems the Yaris is made of paper below the wheels.
I think TGR should be happy Acropolis is not in the calendar.

[er88]

Fucking hell!! Championship blown wide open if Neuville doesn't turn into a useless dog again, like he did in the latter part of last season!

[T16]

Will M-Sport's Seb Ogier return to form

no.

[Simmi]

Huge chance for Neuville here. Unlike Finland last year he needs to capitalise properly. We know now they can't manipulate the power stage road position.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No excuses for that one, Seb.

[mknight]

No excuses for that one, Seb.

early to tell, could have been FR puncture or something like that.

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32775791_1999378920312707_8847615952401989632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=a57322e1136b0aacba32bd2e2a9066d7&oe=5B8014E8

[EstWRC]

What? Really?

[dimviii]

Meeke flying

[stefanvv]

Well you don't see that very often.

[EstWRC]

Huge chance for Thierry here

[Eli]

Meeke flying

Hopefully won't fly into the trees....

Speaking of which, is it just me or does the scenery of the trees here reminds the outback in Western Australia?

[stefanvv]

Splits stopped with Ogier or what?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Splits stopped wit Ogier or what?

He went off mate.

[sonnybobiche]

Splits stopped wit Ogier or what?

He went off a few minutes ago. Out for the day at least.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

early to tell, could have been FR puncture or something like that.

You are right !

[Essaj]

Yeah there was damage to front right from the previous corner.

[stefanvv]

He went off mate.

I meant all of them, no updates

[jparker]

Suninen almost on par with Meeke on 4th split. Nice job.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like it's up to the Citroen boys to take points off Neuville. Come on Kris & Craig !

[stefanvv]

Nice one Teemu

[er88]

Looks like it's up to the Citroen boys to take points off Neuville. Come on Kris & Craig !Neuvilles team mates are going to take a lot of points off the Belgian too if he isn't careful. He cannot suddenly revert to how he was in Finland last year when he had a massive opportunity.

[mknight]

Neuvilles team mates are going to take a lot of points off the Belgian too if he isn't careful. He cannot suddenly revert to how he was in Finland last year when he had a massive opportunity.

That said for him ideal situation would be to go to Sardinia 1 point behind Ogier and not 1 point ahead.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuvilles team mates are going to take a lot of points off the Belgian too if he isn't careful. He cannot suddenly revert to how he was in Finland last year when he had a massive opportunity.

Team orders wont let that happen.

[Mintexmemory]

There is a long way to go but if Neuville can get 11 points I can’t see Seb being upset at not cleaning in Sardinia!

[er88]

That said for him ideal situation would be to go to Sardinia 1 point behind Ogier and not 1 point ahead.Yeah true if he cannot get big points. But I think he has to try and aim for a podium + power stage pts if possible.

[BigWorm]

Big opportunity for Neuville and Hyundai. It's a shame Tänak isn't there to capitalize on the situation.

[KKS]

Huge chance for Neuville here. Unlike Finland last year he needs to capitalise properly. We know now they can't manipulate the power stage road position.
Actually they still can.

[spiderem]

maybe Ogier distracted that he lost his appeal from the PS in mexico...

[stefanvv]

So Ogier pulled handbrake but the car didn't turn at all. Might be just the loose surface at the corner outside

[mknight]

So Ogier pulled handbrake but the car didn't turn at all. Might be just the loose surface at the corner outside

FR suspension broke on previous corner.

[KKS]

So Ogier pulled handbrake but the car didn't turn at all. Might be just the loose surface at the corner outside
Broken steering

[er88]

Cleaning still very prominent it seems. Ostberg, Suninen, Breen, Evans, Paddon etc up there amongst the leading times in this stage.

Meeke put in a great time in relation to the guys around him on the road like Mikkelsen and Sordo. Interesting that Andreas and Hayden reckon they should have taken more hards than they did, which could be a worry for Dani and Thierry who are on all Softs.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier took a big cut the corner before, probably a big rock in the grass...

https://i.imgur.com/8nKPqDL.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Replays

https://twitter.com/RafaMSport/status/997489806082019328

[EstWRC]

Big opportunity for Neuville and Hyundai. It's a shame Tänak isn't there to capitalize on the situation.

totally, very wrong rally to have that stone

and add to that mexico where the engine blew, big points lost on both cases

anyway, the rally isnt over yet, lets see

[stefanvv]

Ogier took a big cut the corner before, probably a big rock in the grass...

Totally, @39:53 on all live.

[Essaj]

Loved this comment from Mads to Torstein: "you will be a shorter man after sunday" :D

[EstWRC]

caption this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdfDMF7UwAIxe0H.jpg

[Essaj]

caption this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdfDMF7UwAIxe0H.jpg

"I know this one beach bar over there"

[dimviii]

Why Lefebvre lost about 45 sec from Tidemand? any reason?

Greensmith leading now wrc2

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdfSON5UQAAApdi.jpg

[dimviii]

Why Lefebvre lost about 45 sec from Tidemand? any reason?

Greensmith leading now wrc2

Lefebvre with puncture again

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Time drop by Mikkelsen missed by WRC+... :(

[EstWRC]

team orders already in hyundai, lol

nah kidding, power steering for Mikkelsen, another victim

[Essaj]

Mikkelsen with broken power steering :/

[stefanvv]

Puncture?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Power steering broke - that's why they didnt see anything.

[Essaj]

To be honest, really impressive time without a power steering.

[dimviii]

Neuville very fast at this stage,specially after 2nd split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo with a tyre problem and drove slow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Slow Meeke too, WTF.

FFS tyre was gone.

[BigWorm]

Puncture for Kris

[EstWRC]

Neuville will make huge gains with this stage

[dimviii]

Sordo leader

[BigWorm]

What a car breaker of a stage?

[EstWRC]

rear damper broken for Lappi

[dimviii]

huge chance for Neuville to climb many positions and to try for the win.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dream day for Neuville so far.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good run Breen. :)

[EstWRC]

Breen in second place!

[er88]

Meeke has had no luck in the last 3 rallies.

[EstWRC]

TOP6 separated by 12.5 seconds!

[Simmi]

Lead change on every stage. What price Breeny is leading after this next one? Not sure Hyundai have any tyres left...

[dimviii]

1-2-4 for Hyundai

[jparker]

Will Suninen get this one? Very close to do so.

[BigWorm]

Front splitter missing for Östberg?

[EstWRC]

i correct myself, TOP7 separated by 12.5 seconds!

[dimviii]

TOP6 separated by 12.5 seconds!

top 7 now with Suninen.Nice!

[focus206]

It's very rare that Ogier makes a mistake like that, let's see if Neuville can capitalize, if he makes mistakes he might have another chance this season... really a shame Tanak is not there.

[Watson]

Suninen teaching Evans a lesson or two.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So who said the WRC is boring and predictable and WRX is more exciting !? ;)

[the sniper]

An afternoon like this makes me realise how great it is to have WRC+All live. Great to be able to see everything unfolding.

[dimviii]

Greensmth takes big difference at splits from Tidemand

[Watson]

An afternoon like this makes me realise how great it is to have WRC+All live. Great to be able to see everything unfolding.

Isn't it? I can hardly remember what it was like without it.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen retired it seems

E: or not

[stefanvv]

He'll drive

[sonnybobiche]

What an eventful rally so far. And the coverage and commentary has been damn near perfect. All Live is worth the money now.

[mknight]

we'll either way he's truly *****. Even if he fixed it he will be last running WRC and spend 2 days opening the road while 2-3 mins behind. Only hope for any better result (besides other's misfortunes) is massive rainstorm.

[EstWRC]

lets see where Neuville finishes, it seems on third place at least

[stefanvv]

What an eventful rally so far.

The roads are fast but still rough. Challenging.

[EstWRC]

cmon Kris keep it up

[EightGear]

Unfortunately I have no time to really follow the rally today, but wow a lot has hapoenend.

This really would have been the perfect opportunity for Tanak to get back into the fight though... Shame.

[BigWorm]

Neuville is not holding back. Meeke at a nice pace as well.

[mknight]

Sordo might drop from 2nd to 9th.

[dimviii]

Unfortunately I have no time to really follow the rally today, but wow a lot has hapoenend.

This really would have been the perfect opportunity for Tanak to get back into the fight though... Shame.

its not a disaster for Tanak as Ogier dont get points.
The only bad for him is that this kind of failure with his car,is unable to catch power stage points,unlike Ogier.

[EstWRC]

the back guys will lose a lot here, Breen already 7 seconds down in spl1

[EstWRC]

Breen and Paddon stopped, Neuville leader

[BigWorm]

Paddon stopped?

[dimviii]

wtf?

[mufcAleksi]

Östberg as well?

[ESTR]

I have a feeling that Ogier will win this event

[EstWRC]

puncture again for Meeke

[EstWRC]

Suninen also stopped, wtf?

[mufcAleksi]

Suninen as well, what the hell is going on in there?

[BigWorm]

This should benefit Neuville and Evans - up to podium places?

[EstWRC]

Paddon, SUninen and Ostberg all stopped on the same place

[mufcAleksi]

Paddon might be blocking the road

[EstWRC]

Breen is running again

[KKS]

Hard delaminated on Kris car and soft just gradually wearing on Nueville. HOW IT POSSIBLE?

[sonnybobiche]

Does Meeke even have another spare tyre?

[mknight]

puncture again for Meeke

Wonder how he drives trough the 2 street stages with that.

[EstWRC]

why arent they showing whats going on there? useless dogs

E. Mikkelsen in stopped

Ostberg and Suninen running again

E: nope, stopped again both

[BigWorm]

Does Meeke even have another spare tyre?

No, he had 5 tyres so he must complete the street stages with a damaged tyre.

[mufcAleksi]

All Live perfect so far before this stage. Now they can't get the pictures

[dimviii]

Hard delaminated on Kris car and soft just gradually wearing on Nueville. HOW IT POSSIBLE?

puncture hasnt got to do with how soft is the rubber

[EstWRC]

they still arent showing us whats going on there with Paddon, Suninen and Ostberg?????

[er88]

Meeke has been killed with punctures. Would've looked very good for the win here. Now it's Neuvilles rally, what a chance for him to take full advantage

[Mirek]

Is Nordgren trying to mirror Tidemand with issues always exactly on the same stages?

[KKS]

oil on Anreas windscreen!

[EstWRC]

and now they are showing us Mikkelsen only

[KKS]

puncture hasnt got to do with how soft is the rubber
didn't look like a pucnture. wheel looks like full of air

[mknight]

Paddon, Ostberg and Sunninen all on same spot, Paddon blocking the road?

[EstWRC]

nice day by Evans and Neuville the overnight leader!

[Essaj]

Hopefully everyone is okay, https://twitter.com/OpensTightens/status/997516949402914816
Stage seems to be stopped and 3 cars stopped in a same place.

[EstWRC]

Paddon

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdflUkDVwAAzSz4.jpg

[er88]

Not watching so don't have images, but will Meeke even be able to continue due to having no useable spare left?

Listening to the radio he sounded pretty angry with Colin Clark trying to tell him his tyre is done.

[mknight]

Not watching so don't have images, but will Meeke even be able to continue due to having no useable spare left?

Listening to the radio he sounded pretty angry with Colin Clark trying to tell him his tyre is done.

Obviously depends on what the tire does from now on. It had air, but parts of the thread were missing (delaminated).

[EstWRC]

i just cant believe this WRC all live, they dont even mention that something has happened to other drivers?

[mufcAleksi]

can't they just fly the copter back there ffs

[sonnybobiche]

i just cant believe this WRC all live, they dont even mention that something has happened to other drivers?

Classic Becs Williams and Ciesla.

I suspect some kind of injury.

[mknight]

Østberg and Suninen now got past Paddon, so likely both he and Suninen drive slowly and get correct times (whose?) and avoid any trouble with punctures .

EDIT: Looks like stage cancelled for rest.

[mufcAleksi]

what times will Ostberg and Suninen get?

[er88]

Those boys further back have got fortunate. Reckon all would've lost a chunk of time over this stage

[Sulland]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/norway.pngØstberg Mads - Eriksen Torstein (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/44260-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2018/1791428/)


"It's really amazing, the car felt really good in there. The team explained to me how the buttons are working so I can fiddle with it a bit during the stage. Thanks to them for showing me that. I still know how to drive as well which is nice." / "Tým mně vysvětlil, jak fungují ta tlačítka, takže teď je to dobré."

Strange training program with Citroen, or will they not show the 3rd drivers all the tricks in the book?

[mknight]

what times will Ostberg and Suninen get?

Prbly Evans or Lappi, judging by the positions and times on stage before, so they will likely gain on Sordo and Breen.

[Andre Oliveira]

Emergency team on Paddon crash. It seems all ok, only precaution.

[er88]

Paddon's future really is on shaky ground. Makes matters worse that Sordo is having a good spell too

[the sniper]

i just cant believe this WRC all live, they dont even mention that something has happened to other drivers?


Classic Becs Williams and Ciesla.

I suspect some kind of injury.

It's got to be something like this, completely bizarre but has to be some kind of policy thing to not say anything if they think someone is injured...? Up until now All Live was great, but the handling of this is nonsensical! To have the rally leader go off, block the stage, and only first have it mentioned, in passing, by Julian Porter once they'd gone back to the studio... WTF?!

[EstWRC]

this is worse than Dakar!

how come this really enjoyable and rather smooth rally has gone so bad road wise?

[rp]

Unbelievable! AllLIVE said nothing about Paddon and other drivers stopping. At least the car is not so much damaged, so hopefully all is ok....

[mknight]

Paddon's future really is on shaky ground. Makes matters worse that Sordo is having a good spell too

a) we don't know what caused crash, could also be power-steering fail mid-corner (which Hyundai's got before a few times)

b) He has 5? rallies left this season. But he really ought to get top 4 finish in Sardinia.

[dimviii]

FRI 17:58 - SS7
Medical crews are attending the scene but no further information is currently available

[sonnybobiche]

Paddon being taken to hospital by ambulance according to twitter. Seb Marshall OK.

[Watson]

Unbelievable! AllLIVE said nothing about Paddon and other drivers stopping. At least the car is not so much damaged, so hopefully all is ok....
Yes, they said that Breen and Paddon stopped.

[rp]

this is worse than Dakar!

how come this really enjoyable and rather smooth rally has gone so bad road wise?

They made some road repairing works before the event and it got worse :(

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdfnBHpV0AATP0n.jpg

[mknight]

Meeke is stopped on the road section. Let's see if he gets going.

[sonnybobiche]

It's got to be something like this, completely bizarre but has to be some kind of policy thing to not say anything if they think someone is injured...? Up until now All Live was great, but the handling of this is nonsensical! To have the rally leader go off, block the stage, and only first have it mentioned, in passing, by Julian Porter once they'd gone back to the studio... WTF?!

I have the sneaking suspicion that Oliver Ciesla grew up in East Germany.

[EstWRC]

More
SS7 update: Car #6 suffered an impact after 2.4km and blocked the stage. Crew exited the car on their own. @HaydenPaddon being taken to hospital for precautionary check. Updates to follow. #WRC #HMSGOfficial #RallydePortugal @sebmarshall

[dimviii]

Evans clip
https://twitter.com/yagorv25/status/997502949143252994

[René]

TGR_WRC
‏
Big shout-out to our mechanics again who did a great job. We are happy to announce that @JariMattiWRC and @MiikkaAnttila will restart tomorrow under Rally 2 regulations. ��⚙️��

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crazy crazy day... has there ever been more retirements, punctures, incidents and leaderboard changes in one day ???

Glad I paid for WRC+ now. :D

[mknight]

Glad I paid for WRC+ now. :D

Well some things they spot right away, but the amount of mistakes where they "overlook" extremely obvious things is incredible.

Appart from missing half of the stopped cars here they also watched Mikkelsens first 30s in stage where he was breaking 50 meters ahead of the usual spot on every corner and didn't use handbrake or go sideways on 2 (almost) hairpins and declared his powersteering was fine.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yeah but imagine following all that happened just with radio...

[Andre Oliveira]

Meeke puncture running in highway. No spare tyres to SSS?

[mknight]

Meeke puncture running in highway. No spare tyres to SSS?

No spares, he had delaminated tire from the stage. So yeah wonder what happens in SSS.

[spiderem]

please Neuville, don't do a remake of Sweden 2017 in the SSS... (although i secretly hope he screw up again as Ogier is off)

[sonnybobiche]

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/136136/paddon-airlifted-to-hospital-after-portugal-crash

[stefanvv]

Appart from missing half of the stopped cars here they also watched Mikkelsens first 30s in stage where he was breaking 50 meters ahead of the usual spot on every corner and didn't use handbrake or go sideways on 2 (almost) hairpins and declared his powersteering was fine.

You expect too much them to analyze everything on the moment. They make some mistakes, also with split times, but Porter is doing fine job in general.

[KKS]

Tell someone to Jon that capital of Portugal is Lisbon, not Porto.

[Watson]

So Suninen and Ostberg are now like 26 minutes behind? Is that the definitive time they get?

[T16]

I hate the doughnuts on the SS stage.
I hate the whole concept of the SS stages full stop.
“Bring it to the people, let them see rallying up close”
Absolute BS.... give them no choice but to go see it in the forests and be blown away by what these guys do. Watching it go past on a narrow cobbled street doesn’t convey the sport in its true light at all.
I just can’t see the benefit.

[stefanvv]

So Suninen and Ostberg are now like 26 minutes behind? Is that the definitive time they get?

That's their stage time, but the stage was canceled.

[jparker]

btw, I think the rock Tanak hit was avoidable. Just bad judgment I guess.

[stefanvv]

Neuville & Sordo are on "slicks". They should be quick:D

[Watson]

That's their stage time, but the stage was canceled.

I know but shouldn't they get more representative times? It was hardly their fault that the stage was cancelled.

[tc10a]

I know but shouldn't they get more representative times? It was hardly their fault that the stage was cancelled.

will get notional times later

[stefanvv]

“Bring it to the people, let them see rallying up close”
Absolute BS.... give them no choice but to go see it in the forests and be blown away by what these guys do. Watching it go past on a narrow cobbled street doesn’t convey the sport in its true light at all.
I just can’t see the benefit.

Look at this side - where else they will see Meeke throwing sparks driving on 3 tyres and a rim, hmmm?

[stefanvv]

I know but shouldn't they get more representative times? It was hardly their fault that the stage was cancelled.

It's just an automated system. Will be fixed.

[mknight]

Tanak also lost damper oil in Argentina and I think Latvala did at some point before.

[denkimi]

I hate the doughnuts on the SS stage.
I hate the whole concept of the SS stages full stop.
“Bring it to the people, let them see rallying up close”
Absolute BS.... give them no choice but to go see it in the forests and be blown away by what these guys do. Watching it go past on a narrow cobbled street doesn’t convey the sport in its true light at all.
I just can’t see the benefit.
sss are not for the rally fans. they are for people who want to go out on friday evening, drink some beer, and see cars passing by while they get drunk. its not about being blown away, its about socializing.

sss are a good idea, since they attract lots of people who otherwise wouldn't even consider watching rally. people who perhaps even wouldn't know there's a rally going on.

[Tauri_J]

btw, I think the rock Tanak hit was avoidable. Just bad judgment I guess.

lol

[T16]

Look at this side - where else they will see Meeke throwing sparks driving on 3 tyres and a rim, hmmm?
At half speed!

[T16]

btw, I think the rock Tanak hit was avoidable. Just bad judgment I guess.

The only bad judgement is you thinking he could have avoided it.

[Tarmop]

btw, I think the rock Tanak hit was avoidable. Just bad judgment I guess.

You should be a driver!

[Watson]

It's just an automated system. Will be fixed.

Alright. Cheers.

[mknight]

The Hyundais on soft "slicks" gain more time on these two stages than on 3 gravel stages during the whole afternoon.

[Jumppe]

After stage 6 Suninen and Evans had same overall time, so Suninen should be very high now...

[stefanvv]

The Hyundais on soft "slicks" gain more time on these two stages than on 3 gravel stages during the whole afternoon.

Good strategy, isn't it?

[EstWRC]

Wow what a loss the others have to neuville

[mknight]

Good strategy, isn't it?

I'm quite sure this is not what they had in mind when picking them. Neuville now surprised about that in interview.

[T16]

whybthw hell is Desbrough introducing Sordo as ‘Hollywood’??
What a complete cock.

[SubaruNorway]

How far into the road section can Meeke go before they have to put the tyre on though? Since you can't work on the car in the TC section right.

[mknight]

Looks like Østberg and Suninen got Lappi's time. Which imo is fair considering Evans did very good time in that stage and they avoided possible time loss due to punctures or tirewear.

[EstWRC]

Suninen should be third after the day?

[Tarmop]

But i didn`t see him on the city stage?

[mknight]

Suninen should be third after the day?

Depends how much he looses to Sordo on the two SSS.

[EstWRC]

WRC plus and WRC.com doesn’t show corrected times for ostberg and suninen

[RS]

Any up to date times anywhere at all?

[stefanvv]

Looks like Østberg and Suninen got Lappi's time. Which imo is fair considering Evans did very good time in that stage

That's questionable as Lappi drove with broken damper.

[mknight]

That's questionable as Lappi drove with broken damper.

Yeah but Sordo drove with ok car just slowly to save it and was slower.

Clearly it would be a problem to give them Evans time so that they gain alot against drivers who actually drove the stage (they already gain vs Sordo this way). Using that thinking they even could have gotten the time of slowest WRC without big issues (Sordo).

So this is a compromise both ways.

[stefanvv]

Yeah but Sordo drove with ok car just slowly to save it and was slower.

Clearly it would be a problem to give them Evans time so that they gain alot against drivers who actually drove the stage (they already gain vs Sordo this way). Using that thinking they even could have gotten the time of slowest WRC without big issues (Sordo).

So this is a compromise both ways.

You're kidding, right? Sordo was on "slick" tyres on that stage, but that is his problem, Meeke got a deliminated tyre, also his problem. IMO the times are not fair enough.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not only all the other contenders having offs and issues, but he even gets away with soft tyres and has them becoming 'slicks' on the tarmac SSS for a bigger lead...

An ULTRA lucky day for Neuville !

[sonnybobiche]

IMHO they need to come up with a single, consistent rule for how to assign nominal times in cases like these. It doesn't matter if it wrongly penalizes the drivers; that's just bad luck, which is a part of the sport.

What cannot be allowed to continue is the current inconsistent, arbitrary system, which is vulnerable to corruption and favoritism.

[mknight]

You're kidding, right? Sordo was on "slick" tyres on that stage, but that is his problem, Meeke got a deliminated tyre, also his problem. IMO the times are not fair enough.

The times cannot be fair since they didn't drive the stage ;) Giving them time that jumps 3 drives who drove trough the hard stage is not really fair to those 3 drivers either is it?

Evan's time is the best possible time they can get. Sordo is the worst one, anything between is compromise.



IMHO they need to come up with a single, consistent rule for how to assign nominal times in cases like these. It doesn't matter if it wrongly penalizes the drivers; that's just bad luck, which is a part of the sport.

What cannot be allowed to continue is the current inconsistent, arbitrary system, which is vulnerable to corruption and favoritism.


Would be most fair yes, but there is no clear rule atm afaik.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdgNuxHW4AAc7wG.jpg

[stefanvv]

The times cannot be fair since they didn't drive the stage ;)

Yes, and not driving the stage is a problem, isn't it?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The only fair way would be to cancel everyone's stage times if a stage has to be red flagged.

[stefanvv]

The only fair way would be Ogier or Tanak to win this rally:D

[BigWorm]

I get the feeling this will revised, just like the power-stage rule. It's not good enough and if FIA will look over the situation and implement a new rule that would be nice. Impossible to know if the guys behind Paddon would have been slower/faster than Neuville, therefore I also think it's not fair to give them a slower time.

[Rallyper]

Crazy crazy day... has there ever been more retirements, punctures, incidents and leaderboard changes in one day ???

Glad I paid for WRC+ now. :D

I´m glad I´m not in Portugal this year.

[N.O.T]

2 days of cruising now... glad the nw200 is on as well.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@HaydenPaddon

Unfortunately I made a small mistake to avoid a big rock on the inside of a corner which sent us wide into the ditch and there was a culvert in the ditch to stop us in our tracks. Really sorry for the team and everyone supporting us. Awaiting clearance from the hospital.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ddgeb4pWsAAHosS.jpg:large

[focus206]

What an eventful day... still a long rally so many things can change, but apart from technical problems, the rally (and a big chance) is Neuville's to lose

[jparker]

You should be a driver!

I'm a driver, and I could have avoided it, and of course Tanak could have avoided it. He just decided that is OK to go over it.
Watch in-car and out-car footage few more times, you may get better idea.

[macebig]

Ogier clipped a bank and that broke his steering. Portugal looks to be very tough on cars...

[N.O.T]

I'm a driver, and I could have avoided it, and of course Tanak could have avoided it. He just decided that is OK to go over it.
Watch in-car and out-car footage few more times, you may get better idea.

its always nice to see that mentally handicapped people have access to the world wide web nowadays...

[itix]

Apologies if this has already been brought up but do we know why Tänak had high oil temperature?
Haven't been able to follow the forum closely today...

[jparker]

its always nice to see that mentally handicapped people have access to the world wide web nowadays...

It's enjoyable, isn't it? Try not to loose you internet access, I'll miss you.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier clipped a bank and that broke his steering. Portugal looks to be very tough on cars...

That was a mistake by Ogier not a weakness in the Fiesta.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Apologies if this has already been brought up but do we know why Tänak had high oil temperature?
Haven't been able to follow the forum closely today...

Broken oil cooler / radiator after big impact with loose rocks on the line.

[itix]

Broken oil cooler / radiator after big impact with loose rocks on the line.Thanks a bunch. They should probably rethink the placement of the oil cooler if that can happen.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/44260_ddf8bj9v0aalbcl.jpg

[dimviii]

"It's a small piloting error on my part, a curve to the right where there was a small embankment inside, I'm slightly too much inside, I thought I could lick this slope. that there was a small root hidden in the ground, so it made an impact in the direction and it broke the lower arm.The next turn, without direction and without brake, we pulled straight into the forest ", detailed champion at our microphone.

"I've been on the block since this morning, it's always frustrating because we were doing an amazing job until then, we were pretty much in the lead when we opened the road, and that was awesome so far. price to pay: take a lot of risk to try to compensate for the position Everyone had problems because it was very tight It would have just had to survive the day, "continued Ogier.

The day was like a real hecatomb. "This afternoon, only Neuville is out of trouble and Evans is doing a good loop, all the others have been bothered, we will see in the Power Stage, it's sure it will be a bad weekend for us. see the positive: there are chances that we do not open the road during the next test, "concluded the Ford driver.
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_le-mea-culpa-d-ogier-c-est-une-petite-erreur-de-pilotage-de-ma-part?id=9922067


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdgIC4aV0AAuJII.jpg

[danon]

Ogier car crashed at 'Rally de Portugal' 2018 - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p1R5UyGcHDo

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport
‏
Update: Hayden's condition this evening is ok. However, due to the severity of the impact, doctors advised him to stay in hospital overnight for observation. He will not re-join the rally on Saturday. We will keep you informed of any updates. @haydenpaddon @sebmarshall

[dimviii]

michelin video day 1. watch till the end
https://youtu.be/xqTLkB4AOa8

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCdWW1e5DDo

[Mk2 RS2000]

I'm a driver, and I could have avoided it, and of course Tanak could have avoided it. He just decided that is OK to go over it.
Watch in-car and out-car footage few more times, you may get better idea.

Hayden tried to avoid a rock.
"Unfortunately I made a small mistake to avoid a big rock on the inside of a corner which sent us wide into the ditch and there was a culvert in the ditch to stop us in our tracks. Really sorry for the team and everyone supporting us. Awaiting clearance from the hospital."


Today if you have the room left on the road to drive around something unplanned then obviously you were not going fast enough to use the whole road that was initially available to you.

[EstWRC]

I'm a driver, and I could have avoided it, and of course Tanak could have avoided it. He just decided that is OK to go over it.
Watch in-car and out-car footage few more times, you may get better idea.

Why aren’t you in Portugal driving for a manufacturer team then?

[EstWRC]

http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=672

[AnttiL]

Ponte De Lima 2 times further adjusted

[bandit12]

Why aren’t you in Portugal driving for a manufacturer team then?

Because he is another little keyboard warrior. That you can drive on to supermarket for milk and vegetables, with your peugeot 108, it doesn't make you a driver.

[GravelBen]

Because he is another little keyboard warrior. That you can drive on to supermarket for milk and vegetables, with your peugeot 108, it doesn't make you a driver.

I think jparker is American, so he probably drives a 6 ton Chevy Suburban to the supermarket for milk and vegetables instead of a Peugeot 108.

[racerx1979]

I used to live in America. They don't eat vegetables. It's usually just highly processed foods. MERICA!!

Side note... I moved from the states to NZ at first. Lived in Auckland for 1.5 years and lost nearly 25 pounds in the first year with the same dietary conditions as the states. Later found out the NZ is fairly conscious about what they put in their food and vegetables. No pesticides and all that other American sh!t which screws up your hormones lol.

What I am saying is... if you want to lose weight and become a rally driver like Jparker who can avoid rocks better than Tanak in a WR Car then move to NZ.

[dimviii]

start list
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/docs/QuadroOficial/Listas-partida/Start-List-for-Section-4–TC9D–Saturday-19th-May-2018.pdf

[ESTR]

Sordo needs to beat the crap out of that ugly open mouthed brit and that would be perfect. Shame that he isn't nominated as manu driver. It really shows that hyundai have only two good drivers...

[racerx1979]

Sordo needs to beat the crap out of that ugly open mouthed brit and that would be perfect. Shame that he isn't nominated as manu driver. It really shows that hyundai have only two good drivers...

Wow! What did Elfyn do to you?

[dimviii]

@Michelin_Sport

#Tyre info - Day 2 Morning - All the Michelin #WRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S5

[jparker]

Hayden tried to avoid a rock.
"Unfortunately I made a small mistake to avoid a big rock on the inside of a corner which sent us wide into the ditch and there was a culvert in the ditch to stop us in our tracks. Really sorry for the team and everyone supporting us. Awaiting clearance from the hospital."

Today if you have the room left on the road to drive around something unplanned then obviously you were not going fast enough to use the whole road that was initially available to you.

That wasn't blind corner, and the rock was visible well in advance. Tanak had the choice to slow down and go around it.

[itix]

I think jparker is American, so he probably drives a 6 ton Chevy Suburban to the supermarket for milk and vegetables instead of a Peugeot 108.I'd be surprised given his level of English. I speak better English and I'm not even native.
...but I mean, there have been cases of native English speakers that can't spell, articulate or write coherently for shit so ain't sayin' it ain't so.

[Lead]

What happened to Mikkelsen yesterday ? Mistake or technical?

[dimviii]

What happened to Mikkelsen yesterday ? Mistake or technical?

steering power assist broken

[itix]

Another thing that I didn't quite get... Why did Breen loose so much time on the stage Paddon crashed?

[dimviii]

Another thing that I didn't quite get... Why did Breen loose so much time on the stage Paddon crashed?

stopped to change tyre

[KKS]

3min gap for today

[KKS]

Happy Meeke at stage-end, always a pleasure to see

[mknight]

steering power assist broken

Seems like a typical issue for Hyundai, I can recall at least 4 times this happened with the new car.

Toyota seems to get a lot of front-suspension and engine-related issues.

Fiesta had engine management/sensor issues for first half of last year, now seems like it's ok.

Citroen looks most solid overall.

[KKS]

Mads back to form too... Go MADS! :)

[mknight]

Anyway Breen is up to (relatively) pointless cruising with no chance to do any good stage times.

[Rallyper]

Good morning rallyfans over the world.

I might be a little slow sometimes, but can someone tell me why the Rally2 drivers aren´t starting first on the road?

[mknight]

Good morning rallyfans over the world.

I might be a little slow sometimes, but can someone tell me why the Rally2 drivers aren´t starting first on the road?

I has been like this the last 3+ years. Supposedly there was no point in rejoining just to clean the road. This way they can set some good stagetimes. But it's always unfair to the last wrc cars that make it trough, then again those still get good points.

[jonkka]

I has been like this the last 3+ years..

I think re-starters were first on the road until 2016, they were switched to after P1 starting from 2017 season.
EDIT: Or was it 2015 and 2016 respectively...

[Rallyper]

Must have been sleeping last three years then ... ;(

[mknight]

I think re-starters were first on the road until 2016, they were switched to after P1 starting from 2017 season.
EDIT: Or was it 2015 and 2016 respectively...

They were definitely not first in 2016. Since that was the year when Championship leader was also first on 2nd day leading to massive Ogier complaints.