26th Kennards Hire Rally Australia (16-19.11.17)

[Eli]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july-2017/australia-stages/page/4694--12-12-.html

Publication of Rally Guide 1, for this year's Rally Australia, including 21 stages & 318 competitive kilometers.

[Munkvy]

Looking forward to it, flying over for the week to watch with my brother.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMkGnKJWsAEjwaL?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

Kalle is the only WRC2 entry :(

Lefebvre back, Sordo Out, Østberg out.

...and most importantly, Serderidis is the only WRC Trophy entry!

[pantealex]

If Kalle drives smart, he will take personal WRC-point or points.

[racerx1979]

Looking forward to it, flying over for the week to watch with my brother.

I hope the spectator areas are a lot better this year. Please share your thoughts once you have attended. I've been twice and both times were a waste when compared to spectating in Finland, Germany, Spain and Mexico.

[racerx1979]

One interesting thing to watch would be the AP4 times against the R5 guys to see a comparison.

[Rally Hokkaido]

It looks like the FIA has re-arranged the entry list, so that all ASN cars are numbered after FIA cars. If this becomes the start list order then Brendan Reeves's AP4 car will start behind an R2 car!

https://rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-WRC-ENTRY-LIST-v4.pdf

[AndyRAC]

That's one stunning entry list......what a marvellous idea to end the season in Australia.....:rolleyes:

[pantealex]

It looks like the FIA has re-arranged the entry list, so that all ASN cars are numbered after FIA cars. If this becomes the start list order then Brendan Reeves's AP4 car will start behind an R2 car!

https://rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-WRC-ENTRY-LIST-v4.pdf

Most of events have had very fast (like Camilli or Veiby) R5 drivers starting after WRC3 (R2/3 cars)

[Mirek]

WRC2 also always starts behind WRC Trophy while top WRC2 drivers are way faster. Let's see how big gap Kalle will have behind Serderidis.

[AnttiL]

WRC2 also always starts behind WRC Trophy while top WRC2 drivers are way faster. Let's see how big gap Kalle will have behind Serderidis.

Both of them can be as slow as they want, finishing equals winning :p

Kalle posted on his facebook this legendary video from a Finnish rally from the 80's. The Wartburg rolls and the co-driver is interviewed, saying "We're trying to fix the car so we can get to the finish. We're the only in our class so finishing means a trophy" :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92FLaoO9M8

[Allez Andruet]

It's really a shame that the final of the season has become a joke like this. The last rally of the season should be a great one, the best of the year, as RAC was back in the day and as Wales would be this year as well.

[raybak]

Trying to put together a last minute deal to run in the National event. Entries close Friday so have some time:( Will keep everyone posted. Using the Evo that we won in a few weeks ago in the State event.

Ray

[Munkvy]

I hope the spectator areas are a lot better this year. Please share your thoughts once you have attended. I've been twice and both times were a waste when compared to spectating in Finland, Germany, Spain and Mexico.

Will do, going to take a camera and a Go Pro, we may stick to the spectator zones, will decide after the first day how we find them and go from there. The week I get back I am going to spectate the Rally NZ event which is our candidate event for if we ever want to get back into the WRC. I would co-drive in it, but not had the opportunity so far as the two drivers I have co-driven for this year are both not able to compete.

[Jinu13]

I'm bored already, thought I'd dig this out from page 2 and bump it up. Heaven help me over the winter break!

[Jinu13]

It's really a shame that the final of the season has become a joke like this. The last rally of the season should be a great one, the best of the year, as RAC was back in the day and as Wales would be this year as well.

Hopefully next year it will go down to the wire. It would be so exciting to see the title go all the way to Australia :)

[ESTR]

And why the hell SERDIRIDIS is in WRCT? driving an DS3 R5...

[racerx1979]

Will do, going to take a camera and a Go Pro, we may stick to the spectator zones, will decide after the first day how we find them and go from there. The week I get back I am going to spectate the Rally NZ event which is our candidate event for if we ever want to get back into the WRC. I would co-drive in it, but not had the opportunity so far as the two drivers I have co-driven for this year are both not able to compete.

Great, good luck!
It is nearly impossible to go outside of any spectator zones hence why they are overcrowded. Aus is tightly policed.

[Munkvy]

Great, good luck!
It is nearly impossible to go outside of any spectator zones hence why they are overcrowded. Aus is tightly policed.

Interesting to hear, so if we drove in before road closure they would still have issues?

[racerx1979]

Interesting to hear, so if we drove in before road closure they would still have issues?

Good question!

We never went in too early. Earliest was 3-4 hours and there were already workers in place. I have no idea what time road closures take place. Do keep us posted because I would seriously reconsider spectating if that were the case. Thanks!

[Munkvy]

National field doesn't look as bad as I was expecting, some interesting variety in cars:

https://www.rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2017-Rally-Australia-National-State-Entry-List-eligibility-updated-021117-v2.pdf

It will be interesting to compare the AP4s to the R5s.

Looking forward to it, flying in Wednesday next week. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether shakedown is worth attending etc?

[dimviii]

Bunnings 1996
https://rallysportmag.com/famous-stages-bunnings-1996-big-wet/

[6789]

Interesting to hear, so if we drove in before road closure they would still have issues?

You'd have to get incredibly early (like 3am or something). Even then, the marshals could come across you and ask you to move on. They're over the top.

[racerx1979]

You'd have to get incredibly early (like 3am or something). Even then, the marshals could come across you and ask you to move on. They're over the top.

Agreed. They will find you..

[denkimi]

And why the hell SERDIRIDIS is in WRCT? driving an DS3 R5...

he's driving a ds3 wrc, as always.

[Munkvy]

You'd have to get incredibly early (like 3am or something). Even then, the marshals could come across you and ask you to move on. They're over the top.

When I worked on WRC events the road closure was normally 3hrs in advance of the rally, but that was a couple of years ago now. And yeah as long as the people weren't on the road you couldn't do anything about them unless they were in a dangerous spot. Suddenly feeling less excited if Australia is that pedantic about spectating! I will try my luck though and see what happens!

[CWJ]

It is nearly impossible to go outside of any spectator zones hence why they are overcrowded. Aus is tightly policed.

True its difficult to leave spectator zones. But there are many places to walk to beyond and even to drive close by. And if you are friendly to marshalls and in position 1 hour before it was fine last years. Good luck.

1464

[raybak]

I won't be there this year. Struggling a bit with my health. Most of my team will be there with other teams though so will still have all the news coming in.

Ray

[Eli]

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/132904/citroen-tells-junior-drivers-to-take-more-risks

Do you think Craig & Stephane are in jeprody for next year? I remember some time ago I saw on this forum that Breen was scheduled to do 11 rounds this year and 9 rounds this year while Lefebvre will do half the champ. and will concentrate on the R5 program, can anyone deny or confirm?

[mknight]

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/132904/citroen-tells-junior-drivers-to-take-more-risks

Do you think Craig & Stephane are in jeprody for next year? I remember some time ago I saw on this forum that Breen was scheduled to do 11 rounds this year and 9 rounds this year while Lefebvre will do half the champ. and will concentrate on the R5 program, can anyone deny or confirm?

No, it's just that Matton needs results to show to those that give him money. Especially since it doesn't look like he's getting Ogier.

His quote:"For the junior drivers, I would like to see a bit more pace and maybe a bit more risk on this rally,"

It's totally clear that the "pace" part is mostly about Lefevbre who only showed decent speed in Poland and crashed just about everywhere else. The "a bit more risk" is clearly aimed at Breen.

[Barreis]

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/132904/citroen-tells-junior-drivers-to-take-more-risks

Do you think Craig & Stephane are in jeprody for next year? I remember some time ago I saw on this forum that Breen was scheduled to do 11 rounds this year and 9 rounds this year while Lefebvre will do half the champ. and will concentrate on the R5 program, can anyone deny or confirm?

more crashes to follow

[KiwiWRCfan]

12 WRC cars will start in Australia.
9 will be driven by winners of WRC events.
Does anyone know if 75% of starters being previous WRC winners is a record.
Even more intriguing when you consider by teams
100% of MSport drivers,
100% of Hyundai drivers,
100% of Toyota drivers,
but just 25% if Citroen drivers are are previous WRC winners.

[AnttiL]

Some stages are run in reverse on another day. Not just Pilbara, but also Bucca 16 shares road in reverse (and original direction) with Eastbank, as does the shakedown with the power stage. Quite rare in WRC.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Some stages are run in reverse on another day. Not just Pilbara, but also Bucca 16 shares road in reverse (and original direction) with Eastbank, as does the shakedown with the power stage. Quite rare in WRC.

China 2016 was scheduled to use same roads in both directions before it's cancellation.

[Eli]

No, it's just that Matton needs results to show to those that give him money. Especially since it doesn't look like he's getting Ogier.

His quote:"For the junior drivers, I would like to see a bit more pace and maybe a bit more risk on this rally,"

It's totally clear that the "pace" part is mostly about Lefevbre who only showed decent speed in Poland and crashed just about everywhere else. The "a bit more risk" is clearly aimed at Breen.

Looks or sounds like the end (or beginning of the end) of the line for Citroen.

[AnttiL]

Press releases

Toyota: https://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2017/wrc/rd13-preview.html
M-Sport: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/the-champions-chase-success-on-season-finale
Hyundai: https://motorsport.hyundai.com/victory-push-in-season-finale/

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOTiBfsVAAEvQNf.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOWXsGLUIAAyIh1.jpg

[SMG13]

For anyone going, I've made a custom google map with all the locations of the official spectator areas, sorted into days, with a description and times for each. I think you'll need a google account to access it though

https://drive.google.com/open?id=172A7Pnu4HFjPWd9Q4jpKiaY1KSiSUrjp&usp=sharing

I did a bit of a reccy ride yesterday and part of the course, and noticed along the way they had the yellow/white tape and red/white tape on the side where some 4wd/single tracks lead to the course. Does anyone know if we can go to these points, but they're just not advertised on the WRC site because they require a decent 4WD or bike to get to? This is my first rally. Cheers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke and Neuville playing for the Ashes of the 2017 season... Howzat ! ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOZG2q0WsAAI6T7.jpg

[KiwiWRCfan]

some photos of testing
from local paper Coffs Advocate https://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/photos/rally-australia-testing/58261/#/0
From Racerviews http://www.racerviews.com/2017/11/13/gallery-pre-rally-australia-testing-with-wrc-and-arc/

[AMSS]

some photos of testing
from local paper Coffs Advocate https://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/photos/rally-australia-testing/58261/#/0
From Racerviews http://www.racerviews.com/2017/11/13/gallery-pre-rally-australia-testing-with-wrc-and-arc/

What specs are those cars? The Yaris, Mini and the Mazda?

[Andre Oliveira]

AP4 specs

[raybak]

Some good photos from testing. Even included some of the Daihatsu Charade that we built, this years NSW Rallysprint champion. Will be interesting to see how the Yaris goes as it has had a heap of teething problems but also plenty of local testing. Also will be good to see how Richie Dalton goes in the Skoda.

[KiwiWRCfan]

MSport cars spent some time at the beach today. Also involved M-Sport Ranger and M-Sport Transit Van.
Photo gallery by Sam Tickell http://www.racerviews.com/2017/11/14/gallery-m-sport-enjoys-a-trip-to-the-beach-at-rally-australia/

[EstWRC]

So what are the expectations? It seems we will have a rainy weekend. I’m expecting a great rally because now the drivers have no pressure anymore and they can push hard. At least Tänak seems to refer in his blog that he will hold nothing back and after wales he was joking with Estonian journalist that they don’t have to bring the car back anymore :p.

It will be Breens first time so I’m keen to see what he can do here and mikkelsen and meeke have superb starting positions to make big gains on first day if it doesn’t rain.

[dimviii]

Shake is live,Ogier completed his first run

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/36023-kennards-hire-rally-australia-2017/

[dimviii]

small clip with Ogier
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/930905987485138944


Evans
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/930907245864464384

Latvala
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/930908541258477568

[AnttiL]

Wow, Tänak currently 2,6 seconds faster than anyone else

[racerx1979]

Tanak with a blistering time in his first pass.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/36023-kennards-hire-rally-australia-2017/

[dimviii]

Tanak with a blistering time in his first pass.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/36023-kennards-hire-rally-australia-2017/

his first pass is with clean road.


Meeke
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930907623943168000

Breen
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930908181852753920

Paddon
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930908782409814016

Tanak
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930909238787842048

Mikkelsen
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930909901064364032

Lappi
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930910358973194240

Lefebvre
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930910673009238016

[KKS]

Kris very aggressive and spectacular

[dimviii]

Evans
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930910673009238016

Lefebvre
https://twitter.com/RallySportMag/status/930913556589043712

[KKS]

No Nueville time yet

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/930915608023011328


Ogier

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOtJjWRW4AM-sWw.jpg

[racerx1979]

Yeah, wonder what happen to TN.

[EstWRC]

Rovanperas times very good...Ogier has already made 3 passes.

[EstWRC]

Hyundai Motorsport‏
@HMSGOfficial
1m1 minute ago
More
⚠️ After having a mechanical issue on the road section we will bring @thierryneuville's car back to service to repair it and he will run in the #Shakedown later on this morning. #WRC #HyundaiWRC #RallyAustralia

[KKS]

TGR_WRCMore (https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC)
Shakedown of @rallyaustralia (https://twitter.com/RallyAustralia) done by @JariMattiWRC (https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC) - and with an impressive time! Actually - he did this without his regular co-driver @MiikkaAnttila (https://twitter.com/MiikkaAnttila), he had a VIP co-driver onboard for a spin... #WatchOut (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WatchOut?src=hash)


Hot-lap mode turn in

[KKS]

Michelin have this pic a 8min ago and still no TN on results


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOtmUKuXcAAKhS3.jpg

[KKS]

So seems like ewrc just lost Neuville... but Leferbve, r u serious? fastest?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOtr7bkVAAA9KDq.jpg

[racerx1979]

Lefebvre taking risks per Mattons request??

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOtt1TEUEAIWE3J.jpg

[sollitt]

Clearly the road now swept clean accounting for Lefebvre & Neuville's pace.

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23511443_1730766536958153_4796769258805283959_o.jp g?oh=e4baf17016347d9b4a22098d5a6783d3&oe=5AA3D44E
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOuHyIMVwAAki7h.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOuH6amUMAA42AP.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOtpX8_XkAAhOxT.jpg
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23632574_866039000218283_5566457652440081212_o.jpg ?oh=6ecb0f1349d2c5a44e3fc34f2e04a354&oe=5A978378

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOugY1hVAAA7jb0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOugY1MV4AAuZX3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOugY1XV4AEGWM6.jpg

[AnttiL]

Quite interesting shakedown results, hard to really make any predictions. I was expecting Paddon to be strong here. He will have a good starting position and will be used to the conditions if we get a sudden rain.

[GravelBen]

Quite interesting shakedown results, hard to really make any predictions.

Yes, shakedown times have limited meaning in general for rally predictions but even less today. The 3 fastest times were all set by drivers going back out for another run (or in Neuvilles case all their runs due to problems earlier) later on a very swept road after the WRC2 cars had been through as well, so its hard to compare those with the rest.

It will be a novelty for me to check WRC+ during the daytime!

[tommeke_B]

WRC2 cars? You mean Kalle Rovanperä..

[Munkvy]

Neuville had an oil leak apparently. He didn't turn up till at least an hour after Ogier who was first car. So yes, slightly swept road, although the road was fairly hard packed. Andreas looked one of the fastest, but results and the fact that he had 5 runs say otherwise.

Andreas car also had a welder being used under it in service after, not sure that's a great sign!?

Lefebvre was a bit ragged where we watched, and Paddon looked aggressive, but very different results!

Rovanpera looked tidy but unspectacular, which is probably a good thing. Interestingly of the Australians, the fastest looked to be Dalton in the Skoda R5, followed by Reeves in the Mazda AP4, with both looking more aggressive than Rovanpera. Time will tell which ones of them make the finish I guess.

Overall a nice day out, but yes the Aussie marshalls are very by the book, friendly but no ability to think about what is realistically safe, just focused on what they have been told by their bosses, which is a little sad. Tomorrow we will try find some good spots and get a few videos and photos as todays spot was pretty poor with too many trees in the way!


Couple of pics, definitely need some more practice!

https://image.ibb.co/evOaSm/DSC02808.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/e8Ojnm/DSC02812.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/gVCzL6/DSC02795.jpg

Some pics of the Toyota spares:

https://image.ibb.co/f9Mb06/DSC02857.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/iFDOf6/DSC02855.jpg

Toyota sump guard vs Hyundai:

https://image.ibb.co/noMtf6/DSC02866.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/hNzPnm/DSC02863.jpg

And the bare front end of the Hyundai, the adjustable angle to the splitter is particularly cool:

https://image.ibb.co/ez8606/DSC02862.jpg

[swanny]

It will be a novelty for me to check WRC+ during the daytime!

Yes boss, I can listen to rally radio and work at the same time... :D

[racerx1979]

Thanks for sharing Munkvy. Marshall’s in Aus can be difficult if you’re trying to go “out of the ropes areas”.

Hope you can get to your spots early enough to wander in. Enjoy!

[Munkvy]

Final semi technical pic:

And the rather complex intake setup from the Toyota. Not sure what the sensor in it is?

https://image.ibb.co/hdAm06/DSC02868.jpg

And some of the support cars:

Interior of a former SA S2000 Corolla:

https://image.ibb.co/cqWyDR/DSC02897.jpg

Former ARC winning Celica:

https://image.ibb.co/b4NS7m/DSC02906.jpg

Beautiful engine bay of a 150wkw FWD Corolla in ARC2:

https://image.ibb.co/munG06/DSC02838.jpg

Brendan Reeves AP4 car from NZ, on Pirellis:

https://image.ibb.co/jaXunm/DSC02892.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/jkLrYR/DSC02931.jpg

A rare sort of rally car down here:

https://image.ibb.co/i3RyDR/DSC02914.jpg

Just plain rare now:

https://image.ibb.co/juR9L6/DSC02926.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@YvesMatton
Very good level of performance from our 3 crews! Interesting as this shakedown is really representative of the rally... https://t.co/nnVJdbGrhI

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiyixsMvc2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybB9ZP-cnj0

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/nicolasgilsoul/status/931072378364456961

https://www.facebook.com/pg/timoanisphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1519890664757497


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOvF09tXcAAXZOr.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice shots of the typical road surfaces:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4576/38418933472_dfbde1c55b_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4535/38418934702_5d0745d83f_b.jpg

[EstWRC]

"so, how is that 2018 Toyota with new aero feeling?"
"Not gonna tell youuu"

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23632578_1730983843603089_8761511064973466382_o.jp g?oh=d1589fa8f76a4e2e56273ebe4dfc089c&oe=5A939AC8


"I was wondering how good is the 2018 Toyota?"
"Get lost"

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23561696_1754316507973855_4725086265458492643_n.jp g?oh=f47227c2f077b33891198ec502ebb2a2&oe=5AAECD66

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"so, how is that 2018 Toyota with new aero feeling?"

"I was wondering how good is the 2018 Toyota?"



"Who cares... the money is great !" ;)

[A FONDO]

Great report Munkvy, keep up the good work! Andreas' nervousness makes him look very fast but he actually loses time with it, same thing from many years.

[SubaruNorway]

Final semi technical pic:

And the rather complex intake setup from the Toyota. Not sure what the sensor in it is?

https://image.ibb.co/hdAm06/DSC02868.jpg



The RC servo with the joint? That's the butterfly valve for watersplashes

[Essaj]

https://rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Start-List-for-Section-1-TC0-Friday-17th-November-2017.pdf

Kalle must have paid the organizers to get in front of Serderidis :D

[Zeakiwi]

New South Wales, Australia - rain radar - a few showers around
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/radar/nsw

[bluuford]

New South Wales, Australia - rain radar - a few showers around
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/radar/nsw
Most of the small reflections are actually false reflection caused by inversion effect;) But I agree, it is tireing to do weather for Australia while living in Estonian timezone :P

[er88]

Most of the small reflections are actually false reflection caused by inversion effect;) But I agree, it is tireing to do weather for Australia while living in Estonian timezone :PDo you think rain will have an impact on the first day? Or will there not be enough of it to prevent big road cleaning?

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[racerx1979]

Rain will help Ogier in the front, but no rain today as far as I can tell.

Rain is in the forecast for tomorrow, but the forecasts are usually wrong in Aus as the weather is difficult to predict.

[dimviii]

The RC servo with the joint? That's the butterfly valve for watersplashes
+ air inlet temp sensor

[GravelBen]

WRC2 cars? You mean Kalle Rovanperä..

He may be the only WRC2 championship entry, but there are an assortment of local R5, AP4 etc also running as WRC2 entries aren't they? There are 9 non-WRC cars listed in the shakedown results anyway, and most them had been through before those 3 fastest times.

[AnttiL]

He may be the only WRC2 championship entry, but there are an assortment of local R5, AP4 etc also running as WRC2 entries aren't they?
No. And AP4 cars couldn't even go for WRC2 points.

You can talk about the fastest RC2 or R5 car though

[Munkvy]

The RC servo with the joint? That's the butterfly valve for watersplashes
Thanks, makes sense :)

Great report Munkvy, keep up the good work! Andreas' nervousness makes him look very fast but he actually loses time with it, same thing from many years.
You make a good point, he looked quite on the limit. You could spot the guys that were ragged as they threw up a lot more dust as they were off line in the dirty bits of road.

+ air inlet temp sensor
Yeah I thought that might be the case, thanks for confirming :)

He may be the only WRC2 championship entry, but there are an assortment of local R5, AP4 etc also running as WRC2 entries aren't they? There are 9 non-WRC cars listed in the shakedown results anyway, and most them had been through before those 3 fastest times.
Yup, you can see them on the start list - https://rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Start-List-for-Section-1-TC0-Friday-17th-November-2017.pdf
Seems if you are an R5 car you start in front of ASN cars, and fortunately in front of the Japanese gentleman drivers!

I hope Brendan Reeves gets a bigger gap between him and the R2 car in front of him, 5mins isn't enough on a long stage that's for sure!

Just getting up to go to first stage now, it's been raining in the night, but not currently, it's warm(ish) and calm here, some dark clouds on the horizon though.

[er88]

Thanks, makes sense :)

You make a good point, he looked quite on the limit. You could spot the guys that were ragged as they threw up a lot more dust as they were off line in the dirty bits of road.

Yeah I thought that might be the case, thanks for confirming :)

Yup, you can see them on the start list - https://rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Start-List-for-Section-1-TC0-Friday-17th-November-2017.pdf
Seems if you are an R5 car you start in front of ASN cars, and fortunately in front of the Japanese gentleman drivers!

I hope Brendan Reeves gets a bigger gap between him and the R2 car in front of him, 5mins isn't enough on a long stage that's for sure!

Just getting up to go to first stage now, it's been raining in the night, but not currently, it's warm(ish) and calm here, some dark clouds on the horizon though.Road still dry and dusty or a bit damp?

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[GravelBen]

No. And AP4 cars couldn't even go for WRC2 points.

You can talk about the fastest RC2 or R5 car though

The fastest 3 shakedown times were set after the RC2 cars then... pedantry for the win! ;)

[tommeke_B]

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23559758_10155144210000678_7517034125380465600_n.j pg?oh=a3e2b6d995dbb681706b4f27bea2a8b1&oe=5AA78D33

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First day, first loop... let's see who can take advantage while Ogier sweeps.

[dimviii]

Fri 08:07 - Weather
After plenty of summer sunshine in the last few days, it's a grey and cloudy start in Coffs Harbour today. The temperature is 19˚C and should hit 23˚C this afternoon. Some spots of rain reported on Stage 2, and there is a threat of more widespread showers later.

[dimviii]

#tyre info: all Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin LTX Force S5
#RallyAustralia #WRC

[bluuford]

I would say that dust might be an issue right now, for the first stage, there is no wind and it is dry with 2-3 raindrops from time to time. Sweeping is also big factor, especially for SS1

[AL14]

Hello guys! Let's enjoy the last rally of a very exciting year.
Finally our friends from Oceania continent will enjoy a rally in a proper timing. Cheers guys!

I'll also give you my prediction: Latvala will bring this home.

[KKS]

unconfident start for Tanak

[EstWRC]

Tänaks rear difusor is gone

[bluuford]

Big watersplash near the start. Many will have problems there. Just where the road turns north

[dimviii]

Latvala

https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/931272422824611840

[Eli]

Good start from Meeke!

[dimviii]

Ogier
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/931270500050812928

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala still dragging those technical gremlins along.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke impressed by Ogier's great time despite opening the road.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen
https://twitter.com/AaronBeardIzzy/status/931276339381805056

[KKS]

Neuville finally wake-up

[satukata]

Latvala wake-up too!

[wrc2017]

Latvala wake-up too!

Because Ogier manual shift.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Titles already won.. this is the time for MS-RT to have issues. ;)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyS2FPWsAAICYB.jpg

Latvala
https://twitter.com/kelliehere/status/931278078281576448


Mikkelsen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyT6OvW0AAmILP.jpg

[KKS]

Fastest 3rd sector so far for Breen

[steve.mandzij]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyS2FPWsAAICYB.jpg

Latvala
https://twitter.com/kelliehere/status/931278078281576448


Mikkelsen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyT6OvW0AAmILP.jpgHoly shit, that sound! It must be exhilarating it hear that coming straight at you in the forest!

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

dust problems quoting some drivers

[dimviii]

Lefebvre with right rear puncture at ss1

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen and Meeke class of their own at the moment but then very tight after neuville....not a good start for Fords so far.

[KKS]

Lappi has again troubles at right-hand corner

[Essaj]

Lappi has again troubles at right-hand corner

Power steering

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/manaz_d/status/931283422965743618

[er88]

Not sure why Rally Australia don't play it safe with 4min gaps.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

Lappi trying to fix his power steering problems

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyZAMFU8AA7HYj.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyZAMGVwAAAbuj.jpg


Lefebvre
https://twitter.com/manaz_d/status/931283851485184000

[bluuford]

Not sure why Rally Australia don't play it safe with 4min gaps.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

SS3 had some overnight drizzle and morning drizzle and wind picks up, so I do not think there is much more trouble with dust

[steve.mandzij]

Toyota better get a grip on those reliability issues for next season.

Also, does anybody know anything about Kalle's pacenote situation? What system did he have before and what does he use now? I find it strange that he'd switch systems at all.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

this is a long one at 26,59 km,lets see if we have some bigger gaps.

[er88]

Toyota better get a grip on those reliability issues for next season.

Also, does anybody know anything about Kalle's pacenote situation? What system did he have before and what does he use now? I find it strange that he'd switch systems at all.

Sent from my Pixel using TapatalkTanak might be eating a lot of their budget though ;)

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

Ott got mad

[KKS]

I expect that pace from the beginning, but something goes wrong

[EstWRC]

well he has no rear diffuser and the setup isnt the best

[dimviii]

Ott got mad

??

[dimviii]

Neuville
https://twitter.com/manaz_d/status/931283851485184000

[Eric]

Neuville
https://twitter.com/manaz_d/status/931283851485184000

Thats a citroen

[EstWRC]

Ogier managed to fix the problem

[KKS]

Evans with a puncture... probably +2.02 on 1st split

[car]

Thats a citroen
:)

[janvanvurpa]

https://rallyaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Start-List-for-Section-1-TC0-Friday-17th-November-2017.pdf

Kalle must have paid the organizers to get in front of Serderidis :D

33 cars....fawk me sideways if that's acceptable...

[dimviii]

Thats a citroen

sorry,that's the correct link
https://twitter.com/kelliehere/status/931294094038405120

Latvala
https://twitter.com/kelliehere/status/931295564779601920

[KKS]

Evans with a puncture... probably +2.02 on 1st split
wrong start time in a system 10:49 instead of 10:51

[KKS]

and something crazy with Meeke split +2.20

[Eric]

Something wrong with Meeks splits...?

[EstWRC]

Meekes first split is his second and he is quickest

[KKS]

Meekes first split is his second and he is quickest
"exciting" wrc+

[EstWRC]

Meeke 10 secs down on Tänak spl3

[KKS]

but on 3rd it's a 10 sec down

[dimviii]

Paddon same damage as Mikkelsen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyhKBcX4AAXv3z.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyhvTYX4AA-AoE.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke lost time... small off ?

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen ss 1
https://twitter.com/ericdobro/status/931296546540331008

[KKS]

uuu Breen fastest

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job by Tanak on SS3 esp without his rear diffuser.

[EstWRC]

Great to see Citroens going great...after the tests with Loeb they have improved

[er88]

Meeke went off lost 10-12s? Radio keeps cutting out for me. Don't know what's wrong with the app

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[KKS]

Good stage for Citroens... Leferbve fasest on 1st split

[KKS]

Uhh Mikkelsen destroy that Breen time -6.8

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Radio were totally OTT about Breen.

[EstWRC]

What a time by mikkelsen. I’m surprised others aren’t using their starting pos more effectively

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First day, first loop... let's see who can take advantage while Ogier sweeps.

Mikkelsen smashed it. Great morning for him.

[dimviii]

Meeke

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyi_teVQAI7EEG.jpg

[dimviii]

What a time by mikkelsen. I’m surprised others aren’t using their starting pos more effectively

Meeke was using but fucked up at this stage

[EstWRC]

Lefebvre second Quickest

[er88]

Meeke was using but fucked up at this stageYep, would've been a lot closer to Andreas without his off. Would be nice if we have a big battle for the win between a few drivers but doesn't look like it atm

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23561777_10155144508795678_1186314258606271149_n.j pg?oh=13e9d391d95544f0c8f6b6914a42acab&oe=5A976EBF

[KKS]

Mikkelsen testing the citröen has also helped them. I dont think Loeb is the only reason why we are seeing good times from the french team
I think this two names are wrong.... and correct one is - Besse

[Fast Eddie WRC]

We shouldnt be surprised at all.. Mikkelsen won here last time and has the road position.

Extra benefit of Ogier's gear issue too so I think he has a great chance to win again.

[dimviii]

I am going to sleep.Goodnight guys.

[steve.mandzij]

Surprised to see no more comments over Lefebvre's time. His first proper performance of the year and nobody bats an eye!

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[NoName]

Surprised to see no more comments over Lefebvre's time. His first proper performance of the year and nobody bats an eye!

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

One good stage is not good enough.. Let`s se after the rally..

[steve.mandzij]

One good stage is not good enough.. Let`s se after the rally..Of course not, but I thought people would be more vocal and more surprised by him actually setting a good time.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[Munkvy]

Watched SS1, near the spectator zone, it's close enough to the start that you can hear the cars launching off the start line, there was some hanging dust, but certainly not bad and it cleared with plenty of time for next car. We watched entire field (so 2 hours to get through them!), so only caught the tail of the field at SS3, going to wait here for it to run as SS6, then off to the Super Specials tonight.

SS3/6 is slightly damp underfoot, but drying fast. Should be clean and dry and hard packed for second run. MSport guys said it was 21 degrees in the ground already here.

Couple of pics, I watched WRC cars rather than looking through the lense, so don't really have any pics of them. Citroens were definitely the most wild looking at the beginning of the stage!

SS1, slightly sideways Citroens, all much wider lines than the other cars:

https://image.ibb.co/jpU9nm/DSC02948.jpg

Reeves:

https://image.ibb.co/m7JftR/DSC02993.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/hLR8DR/DSC03004.jpg

Looking forward to seeing this in 6, it was very sideways in 3 but I didn't have camera handy:

https://image.ibb.co/j1uvtR/DSC03054.jpg

Australian Police motorbikes... Some are friendly, some are very not friendly! We got moved on twice by them in SS1. At SS3 the cops are from a different area and very friendly:

https://image.ibb.co/drcC7m/DSC03017.jpg

Now waiting at SS3/6 for the repeat run on this corner:

https://image.ibb.co/ing5Sm/DSC03066.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/mFQh7m/DSC03074.jpg

[EstWRC]

now Ogier lost diffursor

[KKS]

Tanak damage
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOzHkTPUIAADjJX.jpg

[EstWRC]

Ogier and Tänak (again) lost the diffuser and Evans has water in his car. after watersplash..how the ford is so fragile now?

[er88]

Ogier and Tänak (again) lost the diffuser and Evans has water in his car. after watersplash..how the ford is so fragile now?Lots of cars in trouble here, must be bad if even the Fiesta is having trouble

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

Forgot to say that Ogier has again the gearshift issue

[KKS]

Twice stalled at stage end. No 1st gear for Ogier?

[EstWRC]

what shitty times for Tänak and Ogier with their problems...they will clean the road tomorrow

[er88]

Great time from Thierry so far. Very fast

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[KKS]

Great time from Thierry so far. Very fast

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
And faster than Breen, Meeke who was in front

[steve.mandzij]

Decent times from Paddon. Hopefully he'll start resurging for next year.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

Lets see what damage limitations ford drivers can do now on the long one, not the best day for them.

[er88]

And faster than Breen, Meeke who was in frontWonder how his tyres will last. Meeke was on hards and Thierry on softs for this stage. Last stage could be interesting

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

Ogier and Tänak

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOzPz-yW0AAWSGD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOzPz-vXcAUDOB1.jpg

[Gregor-y]

This is what I was expecting from the aerodynamics all season. Only Australia did it.

[er88]

Wonder how his tyres will last. Meeke was on hards and Thierry on softs for this stage. Last stage could be interesting

Sent from my SM-G920F using TapatalkSo Paddon doesn't think the Hyundai's on full softs will have a problem on the last stage as after 9km the stage turns sandy

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

Nice splits from Tänak so far with his aeroless car

[KKS]

Meeks 2 spare tyres could ruin attack on Mikkelsen place at this loop

[er88]

Great time Andreas. Seems like tyre choice didn't play a role at all which was strange, both sets working. Mikkelsens rally to lose now but a good battle for 2nd brewing. I'm off to sleep

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[KKS]

Lappi again running through a bushes

[KKS]

Lappi again running through a bushes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOzi63kW4AATWYZ.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOzdN78VwAAcNQM.jpg

[dimviii]

Tanak ss2

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOzm1C3VQAAML-s.jpg

Mikkelsen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOzIogzXcAA4-ba.jpg

Ogier
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOym3g9UQAEdO54.jpg

[dimviii]

Tanak
https://twitter.com/billstard/status/931338343996039168

[skarderud]

Nice to wake up to snow and Mikkelsen leading!
Goooo Andreas!!!!

Sent fra min XP7700 via Tapatalk

[Mintexmemory]

So as it stands Ogier has 3 cars sweeping ahead of him tomorrow - that will even things up.
Pleased with the pace of the Citroens. I think people have mis-interpreted the 'Loeb' effect. I suspect Meeke was saying what they need to do all along but they weren't about to listen to the rosbif connard. Loeb just confirmed the car was a pile of crap and they then knew Meeke had been right all along.

[Munkvy]

So, SS6 was good fun, we managed to get away from the marshals and go down the stage about 1km from the junction we entered at and setup on a 90 degree right opening to a left and onto a straight. Very dusty for the first 6-8 cars, with aggressive cutting bringing more dirt out. The Hyundais and Evans all looked to understeer through here (around at 18-20km mark of the stage). The road had been worn down completely and was rock hard, so I imagine soft tyres would have been hard work!

Took pics of most of the WRC cars, so easy to compare lines. Managed to take pics of a lot of the field, so will spam you a bit now...

https://image.ibb.co/jZFr06/DSC03082.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/kPP6YR/DSC03087.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/fuJYDR/DSC03091.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/exNtDR/DSC03094.jpg

All 3 Citroens had bumper issues:

https://image.ibb.co/hsW9nm/DSC03100.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/nQ9Unm/DSC03106.jpg

Paddon definitely looked to be struggling for grip:

https://image.ibb.co/fnu6YR/DSC03110.jpg

Andreas less so, but difficulty turning it back the other way?

https://image.ibb.co/hMJ0tR/DSC03114.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier and Tänak (again) lost the diffuser and Evans has water in his car. after watersplash..how the ford is so fragile now?

A quick turnaround after GB to transfer to Aus... plus a lot of celebrating ! ;)

[Munkvy]

Kalle was tidy again:

https://image.ibb.co/hR5VtR/DSC03121.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/fF0kSm/DSC03123.jpg

As was Mike Young, interestingly he was faster than the WRC Trophy guy and most of the ARC Evos and Subarus, which is impressive on a relatively fast and flowing road:

https://image.ibb.co/fxduL6/DSC03135.jpg

Only one of the Japanese gentlemen drivers made it this far:

https://image.ibb.co/fnQif6/DSC03140.jpg

Pinter was ok, but not as committed as I was expecting:

https://image.ibb.co/n1zb06/DSC03143.jpg

Reeves was looking tidy and quick:

https://image.ibb.co/ir8rYR/DSC03144.jpg

Nathan Quinn had a left front puncture, which he was driving out on, so giving Molly Taylor a big advantage in the points I suspect:

https://image.ibb.co/dbcJDR/DSC03147.jpg

S2000s were sideways and sounded glorious echoing through the trees:

https://image.ibb.co/mLc77m/DSC03150.jpg

[Munkvy]

And a few more photos of the rest of the field:

https://image.ibb.co/i96Znm/DSC03157.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/nNGOf6/DSC03162.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/eMtatR/DSC03166.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/dxrvtR/DSC03169.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/c7Tx7m/DSC03173.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/kTKtf6/DSC03175.jpg

[EstWRC]

A quick turnaround after GB to transfer to Aus... plus a lot of celebrating ! ;)

to be fair everyone was loosing bits after the watersplash but M-sport the most. Already in Wales at the last stage you could also see Ogiers diffusor hanging and now they both lost it with Tänak, Tänak even twice....and not to mention losing the rear spoiler in poland and with Mads in sweden.

[AnttiL]

Also, does anybody know anything about Kalle's pacenote situation? What system did he have before and what does he use now? I find it strange that he'd switch systems at all.


This article says it's the same system but it's just made broader to describe the road in greater detail

https://www.lapinkansa.fi/urheilu/rovanperan-uusittu-nuotti-toimii-oli-mukava-ajaa-200540388/

[Munkvy]

Ohh and the super special was rubbish, good spectacle and lots of people, but it had a gravel covered tarmac section, which swept towards the end, and they sent groups of 5 cars out at a time to tackle it twice. So the last group (including Tanak, Neuville and Ogier) got much cleaner conditions, allowing them to go quite a bit faster. At the least they should have run it in rally order! But I guess that's rallying?

[Rallyper]

Now the Fiestas shows all the problems Mads had during the season. But most of the forum only thought he had excuses for slower times.

[AnttiL]

Even though Mikkelsen won last year, I was surprised by his pace. Also a big surprise from Meeke, nice to see the Citroens doing well. The hugest disappointment was from Paddon. He should have shown pace here in his almost home event with a good starting position. Not to mention the lack of pace in Wales and crashes in Finland and Sardegna...not much to prove why he should have a full season next year.

[tomhlord]

Even though Mikkelsen won last year, I was surprised by his pace. Also a big surprise from Meeke, nice to see the Citroens doing well. The hugest disappointment was from Paddon. He should have shown pace here in his almost home event with a good starting position. Not to mention the lack of pace in Wales and crashes in Finland and Sardegna...not much to prove why he should have a full season next year.

Agreed. Look how much better Neuville has done with a worse road position.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

to be fair everyone was loosing bits after the watersplash but M-sport the most. Already in Wales at the last stage you could also see Ogiers diffusor hanging and now they both lost it with Tänak, Tänak even twice....and not to mention losing the rear spoiler in poland and with Mads in sweden.

The Fiesta had been the strongest car all year so cant really complain. Plus any problems havent done them that much harm given the two titles, podiums on every rally and all drivers winning an event.

[Zeakiwi]

Does Paddon's car have exactly the same parts as Neuville's and Mikkelsen's? (or was there only enough new parts for Neuville and Mikkelsen to use and spares at the service are?

What is Paddon's car weigh with crew compared to his team mates. I would suspect the jumbo co-driver gives a slight power to weight ratio disadvantage in some conditions. (How much does Marshall weigh compared Kennard?) Are there any little persom brit co-drivers available for a try out?

[AnttiL]

Now the Fiestas shows all the problems Mads had during the season. But most of the forum only thought he had excuses for slower times.

I think Mads has had more problems than the M-Sport guys because ever since he bought the car, he has been developing it in his own direction, without any support from the team or the factory.

[Mintexmemory]

Now the Fiestas shows all the problems Mads had during the season. But most of the forum only thought he had excuses for slower times.

The Fiesta problems in Australia are aero and tyre as far as I can see. Just because they are 40 seconds adrift here (only 40, NOT 2 mins) does not mean that Ostberg's issues were anything other than poor preparation and loss of mojo.

[Mintexmemory]

Does Paddon's car have exactly the same parts as Neuville's and Mikkelsen's? (or was there only enough new parts for Neuville and Mikkelsen to use and spares at the service are?

What is Paddon's car weigh with crew compared to his team mates. I would suspect the jumbo co-driver gives a slight power to weight ratio disadvantage in some conditions. (How much does Marshall weigh compared Kennard?) Are there any little persom brit co-drivers available for a try out?

Exactly the reason Henning had to get Ilka as co-driver (it was that or Weight Watchers!) - Seb M is not much different to Kennard in build - I doubt he's more than 165 llbs

[Rally Power]

I suspect Meeke was saying what they need to do all along but they weren't about to listen to the rosbif connard. Loeb just confirmed the car was a pile of crap and they then knew Meeke had been right all along.

Suffering from selective memory, Mintex? During 2016 Meeke and Citroen were pretty happy with the C3 development, showing high expectations for 2017. The problems, and the complains, only came after season started.

Prior to ’16 WRGB, Meeke even said he was living a dream: “A year like this is what I’ve always wanted. It’s been the chance to develop a car with a world-beating manufacturer like Citroën from scratch – the chance to build a team around myself and put us both into the best possible position to challenge for the championship. It’s been an absolute privilege to work with the team. It’s been brilliant.” https://www.msauk.org/Meeke-targeting-home-glory-on-Citroen-DS3-swansong

In December, at the C3 presentation, Matton hugely praised Meeke’s work in the car development and the Brit was confident about the car potential: http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/december-2016/meeke-on-new-citroen/page/4145--12-12-.html

It’s quite clear that the car issues were a team failure; therefore all people involved on the C3 development, including Meeke, are responsible for it. Now, we can only hope they will be strong enough to react and find ways to make the C3 a title contender. Honestly, I believe they will and, apparently, they’re already showing they can do it.

Btw, nice show from Mikkelsen today. Still a long way to go, but having another different rally winner this year would be remarkable.

[Mrpengski]

Does Paddon's car have exactly the same parts as Neuville's and Mikkelsen's? (or was there only enough new parts for Neuville and Mikkelsen to use and spares at the service are?

What is Paddon's car weigh with crew compared to his team mates. I would suspect the jumbo co-driver gives a slight power to weight ratio disadvantage in some conditions. (How much does Marshall weigh compared Kennard?) Are there any little persom brit co-drivers available for a try out?

All the cars have the same spec, apart from the new rear bumper/fender which has been on Neuville's car only since Wales.

Keep in mind these cars carry ballast to be brought up to the minimum weight anyway, and the occupants weights are rather central which is not too bad. The difference in weight among all the crews (driver+codriver) is much less than you might expect.

[mknight]

Not that surprised at the overall results so far.

Mikkelsen and Meeke had road position advantage and no big issues while all others had either one or both of them. Seemingly C3 works on dry gravel now, good.

Points:

- Lefevbre under real pressure now with Meeke doing good and Breen also very good considering he never drove here before

- Paddon relative to Mikkelsen/Neuville quite bad

- Ford, what a difference from "win all" in Wales

- Toyota still has issues with both speed and reliability

[AnttiL]

Lefebvre's doing pretty well, without the two punctures he'd be up there with Ogier and Paddon

[dimviii]

Michelin video Leg 1
https://youtu.be/UMvjdQncGso

Meeke was lucky at his off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC_EG8a35F0

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9G2i2vRxas

https://youtu.be/G8mVT87tMUg

[Rallyper]

The Fiesta problems in Australia are aero and tyre as far as I can see. Just because they are 40 seconds adrift here (only 40, NOT 2 mins) does not mean that Ostberg's issues were anything other than poor preparation and loss of mojo.

However he had plenty of technical issues.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOz5qjMU8AIyyd7.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

During 2016 Meeke and Citroen were pretty happy with the C3 development

Prior to ’16 WRGB, Meeke even said he was living a dream: “A year like this is what I’ve always wanted. It’s been the chance to develop a car with a world-beating manufacturer like Citroën from scratch

In December, at the C3 presentation, Matton hugely praised Meeke’s work in the car development and the Brit was confident about the car

Well did you expect them to say ' the car is crap and it looks like we're going round in circles. PR is often divorced from reality!

[er88]

Well did you expect them to say ' the car is crap and it looks like we're going round in circles. PR is often divorced from reality!Well to back you up, Meeke was pushing for changes to the car for months (even before the season started), but Matton only finally listened after Andreas' feedback and trouble in the car too. Every driver has said the same things anyway. Good to see it's finally improved at the back end of the season

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[wrc2017]

Breen doing well, but also remember Citroen/Meeke did not do Rally Australia last year, and alot of the stage are different, so first time doing these stages for Meeke also.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Excellent job by Mikkelsen. Makes you wonder what he and Hyundai could've achieved if they'd done the sensible thing and brought him in at the start of the year ... :rolleyes:

[spiderem]

Excellent job by Mikkelsen. Makes you wonder what he and Hyundai could've achieved if they'd done the sensible thing and brought him in at the start of the year ... :rolleyes:

You have to wonder how the bromance between Mikkelsen and Neuville will develop next year, as for sure they will both have a go at the title, and they are on the same level...

[dimviii]

Breen doing well, but also remember Citroen/Meeke did not do Rally Australia last year, and alot of the stage are different, so first time doing these stages for Meeke also.
good point,i had forgot it.

[mknight]

Excellent job by Mikkelsen. Makes you wonder what he and Hyundai could've achieved if they'd done the sensible thing and brought him in at the start of the year ... :rolleyes:

Before the start of the season he was not an obvious choice for Hyundai, given that they had 3 drivers under contract and Paddon had about same speed as Mikkelsen on gravel.

If you mean after the test in Portugal, then signing him could have made them win manu champs. But it's easy to be clever about it now. It didn't look like a bad choice at first either, Paddon was in the lead in Sardinia before crashing and ended 2nd in Poland.

[Rally Power]

Meeke was pushing for changes to the car for months (even before the season started), but Matton only finally listened after Andreas' feedback and trouble in the car too.

There’s no record of Meeke complaining before MC, on the contrary. After Sweden it was pretty clear the WHOLE team was completely lost about the car issues and Meeke started getting vocal, while Matton stated that during development tests drivers didn’t report any major issue. Apparently, confidence was mutually broken.

More than excusing or blaming Meeke, what matters now, once the team kept all drivers and has a new tech chief, it’s to look ahead and hope for a fast and successful evolution of the C3. Citroen needs to be able to fight for the title. Fingers crossed.

[KKS]

Before the start of the season he was not an obvious choice for Hyundai, given that they had 3 drivers under contract and Paddon had about same speed as Mikkelsen on gravel.

If you mean after the test in Portugal, then signing him could have made them win manu champs. But it's easy to be clever about it now. It didn't look like a bad choice at first either, Paddon was in the lead in Sardinia before crashing and ended 2nd in Poland.

Yeah. Mikkelsen with Hyundai it's a because Paddon get worse

[Duvel]

You have to wonder how the bromance between Mikkelsen and Neuville will develop next year, as for sure they will both have a go at the title, and they are on the same level...
Wel we wil find out next year, but for this rally lets not forget he has Had a better road position for day one.

If there really good friends, it could.benefit them both. Neuville had to do it on his one this year, teammates werent there to take away points very often.

[EstWRC]

gonna be intereting if it is like this


https://image.prntscr.com/image/PTMMJ9m_ShO92IRIJExBCA.png

[ESTR]

One question I don't understand. Right now I'm watching service live on official site and why the hell only Ogier's car is in?? Why don't everyone start working on cars at the same time?

[KKS]

One question I don't understand. Right now I'm watching service live on official site and why the hell only Ogier's car is in?? Why don't everyone start working on cars at the same time?
all rally cars have each specific start time. Ogier car in service at 3 min before Paddon and he 3 min before Tanak. Citroens service now waiting for Meeke and Breen who service time starts 18 and 9 min after Ogier

[Tarmop]

Because of the times marked on the time card....every rally, national, or international...you have to be there on time, not before and not later.

[EstWRC]

It’s definitely soft tyres today. It’s wet! �� #rallyaustralia #wrc


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO28TmAUEAAfyCb.jpg



https://twitter.com/RallySportMag/status/931607767311200256

[wrc2017]

There’s no record of Meeke complaining before MC, on the contrary. After Sweden it was pretty clear the WHOLE team was completely lost about the car issues and Meeke started getting vocal, while Matton stated that during development tests drivers didn’t report any major issue. Apparently, confidence was mutually broken.

More than excusing or blaming Meeke, what matters now, once the team kept all drivers and has a new tech chief, it’s to look ahead and hope for a fast and successful evolution of the C3. Citroen needs to be able to fight for the title. Fingers crossed.

While all agreed car was performing well on the roads selected by test engineers, they were not representative of the rally conditions. The selected roads that worked to the strengths or the car.

[wrc2017]

It’s definitely soft tyres today. It’s wet! �� #rallyaustralia #wrc


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO28TmAUEAAfyCb.jpg



https://twitter.com/RallySportMag/status/931607767311200256

RallySport Mag are well prepared... not going to get stuck in the MAN..

[satukata]

Waiting for Great Fight!! Go JM!

[dimviii]

to much rain
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/931613160397619201

[EstWRC]

RallySport Magazine‏
@RallySportMag
13s14 seconds ago
Pouring rain on the Nambucca stage. Will make things very interesting

[KKS]

And again Ogier with good road position

[dimviii]

crazy eyes from Latvala
https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC/status/931614779294101504

[KKS]

#Tyre (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tyre?src=hash) info:
Citroën drivers: 6 Soft
M-Sport and Toyota: 5 Soft
Thierry Neuville: 4 Soft & 1 Hard
Hayden Paddon and Andreas Mikkelsen: 3 Soft & 2 Hard

...

[EstWRC]

i dont get the desicion from Hyundai drivers to take hards but maybe it will pay off on next stage

[mknight]

To me that looks like an obvious mistake/gamble not expecting rain or only light rain.

[KKS]

and 2 spares for Citroen, playing on a safe side and expect loose much at long one

[dimviii]

Guys maybe its wet(btw has stopped raining) but its not so cold with low temperatures

[EstWRC]

and off we go, Lappi on stage

[mknight]

Rally radio said TV crews report mostly dry with some wet patches from overnight rain. Threatening clouds, so possible rain.

[EstWRC]

live from here https://www.facebook.com/Rallye.Sport.fr/?hc_ref=ART9vaXHWw-0jbnhysOo1mA1eXiFy7vrvZIc0_9JzvoVbo1OSI43JYydATZgA bqDUaY

looks pretty wet to me and misty

[wrc2017]

and 2 spares for Citroen, playing on a safe side and expect loose much at long one

safe, but it also give more options.. new tyre options could offset carrying extra tyre

[EstWRC]

Evans 6 seconds down on first split already

[dimviii]

Lappi at ss 9 ,pretty wet
https://twitter.com/billstard/status/931619933934436352