26th Kennards Hire Rally Australia (16-19.11.17)

[EstWRC]

Ogier +2 down in spl1

[KKS]

and first competitive split from Ogier shows it's a "wet road" condition. So Lappi to stage win?

[satukata]

live from here https://www.facebook.com/Rallye.Sport.fr/?hc_ref=ART9vaXHWw-0jbnhysOo1mA1eXiFy7vrvZIc0_9JzvoVbo1OSI43JYydATZgA bqDUaY

looks pretty wet to me and misty

dont see any live?

[bluuford]

Only first 10-11 km are wet, the 2-3 km damp, rest is dry

[dimviii]

here is not so wet

https://twitter.com/RallySportMag/status/931621736985985024

[EstWRC]

Cmon Ott lets see that Tänak attack

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Before the start of the season he was not an obvious choice for Hyundai, given that they had 3 drivers under contract and Paddon had about same speed as Mikkelsen on gravel.

If you mean after the test in Portugal, then signing him could have made them win manu champs. But it's easy to be clever about it now. It didn't look like a bad choice at first either, Paddon was in the lead in Sardinia before crashing and ended 2nd in Poland.

Many of us didnt think Paddon or Sordo were the strongest from the start. Mikkelsen was on the up and starting to produce wins with VW.

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie‏*
#WRC according to @RallySportMag : Lefebvre spin around & stalled in SS9 #RallyAustralia

[dimviii]

nice clip with Paddon
https://twitter.com/billstard/status/931623172914294784

[EstWRC]

Ogier now starting to get time back

[KKS]

Uh Latvala!

[KKS]

All Citorens are down on splits. 2 spares paying off

[KKS]

So it's full wet on second stage?

[wrc2017]

All Citorens are down on splits. 2 spares paying off

its maybe still the traction issue when the surface is slippery they are stuggling with...

[EstWRC]

Latvala and Neuville very fast

[KKS]

-4 to flying Latvala at 3rd split - Neuville.

[dimviii]

its maybe still the traction issue when the surface is slippery they are stuggling with...

that's the most possible.We have to think that yesterday all c3 were running at swept surface.

[EstWRC]

The TOP4 guys much much faster than anyone else

[KKS]

that's the most possible.We have to think that yesterday all c3 were running at swept surface.
Breen and Meeke today as well with pretty swept road

[er88]

that's the most possible.We have to think that yesterday all c3 were running at swept surface.C3 has struggled in Poland, Finland when a bit wet and Wales in places. Still work to do in the slippy conditions. Team have to work over the winter (if they have the budget)

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[dimviii]

Breen and Meeke today as well with pretty swept road

but wet...

here we go,the first to mention strange feeling.Lets see what Breen and Meeke will comment.

Sat 07:55 - SS9: Lefebvre
The Frenchman completes 56.5sec off Lappi's pace after his early spin. "A difficult one. After we spun it took some time to to restart. Then a strange feeling with the car."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I thought Citroen were sorting things on gravel... whats up with Breen and Meeke now ?

[KKS]

And with his kind of pace - Meeke drop out of winning race.

[wrc2017]

Breen and Meeke today as well with pretty swept road

a hard base is what the c3 is looking for.

[KKS]

but wet...

Blueford told that only first 1-2 splits are wet... rest was dry

[wrc2017]

I thought Citroen were sorting things on gravel... whats up with Breen and Meeke now ?

you dont traction problems overnight.. when it slippy, and car doesnt seem to be able to put the power on the ground. remember poland for exmaple?

[dimviii]

Blueford told that only first 1-2 splits are wet... rest was dry


watch Meeke splits as its drying..

[er88]

Still hope we see a fight for the lead between a few drivers but I would like Andreas to come out on top

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[EstWRC]

how come the later starters are so much faster....intesreting

[Fast Eddie WRC]

you dont traction problems overnight.. when it slippy, and car doesnt seem to be able to put the power on the ground. remember poland for exmaple?

Overnight ? All year...

[KKS]

watch Meeke splits as its drying..
more or less same pace as Tanak. Will see on next 2 splits

edit: -2.8 sec on Sp5

you right!

[Rallyper]

Ok guys. Let´s talk about Evans...

[wrc2017]

Overnight ? All year... if its an hereditary issue with the geometry, it will require jokers on revised homolgation.

[wrc2017]

more or less same pace as Tanak. Will see on next 2 splits

edit: -2.8 sec on Sp5

you right!

true.. on Neuville pace when road drys.

[mknight]

Ok guys. Let´s talk about Evans...

Well the post-gb comments from Colin Clark are put into a bit different light..

To recall
- Evans would have won in GB even on Michelins
- Evans will fight for title in 2018 no matter what car he is in

[bluuford]

how come the later starters are so much faster....intesreting

There is a huge amount of cleaning and wet is only top. So, those behind have much better starting position, just a bit difficult at the start. Next stage si still dry, but some time to go, hopefully stays dry ;)

[Rallyper]

Often it gets more slippery after more cars. isn´t that the same in Aus?

[EstWRC]

There is a huge amount of cleaning and wet is only top. So, those behind have much better starting position, just a bit difficult at the start. Next stage si still dry, but some time to go, hopefully stays dry ;)

thanks! that explains a lot!

[KKS]

+16.5 for Meeke and he drop from rally winning group to podium chasing group :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The way it's going here no wonder Ogier was so desperate to get the Championship won in Wales.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

if its an hereditary issue with the geometry, it will require jokers on revised homolgation.

MEEKE
Fourth quickest, and he loses third place to Latvala. "I tried, and it felt good. I have no idea why, but the other guys are just faster - and that's it."

[dimviii]

Often it gets more slippery after more cars. isn´t that the same in Aus?

its not the same as other gravel rallies,small stones at top surface,like small balls,they are cleaning at every pass even at wet.

[wrc2017]

MEEKE
Fourth quickest, and he loses third place to Latvala. "I tried, and it felt good. I have no idea why, but the other guys are just faster - and that's it."

doesnt mean the car isnt getting the same traction as the others. he was matching nevuille, and taking time from tanak when the road was dry, so it fairly self explainatory. he has same time as tanak and 4 faster than ogier, over 50km, so we are taking small margins.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

doesnt mean the car isnt getting the same traction as the others. he was matching nevuille, and taking time from tanak when the road was dry, so it fairly self explainatory. he has same time as tanak and 4 faster than ogier, over 50km, so we are taking small margins.

Exactly. There is nothing really wrong with the car now, the other driver's were just faster.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier SS9
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3TeQxXUAAagcg.jpg:large

[wrc2017]

Exactly. There is nothing really wrong with the car now, the other driver's were just faster.

so the car is fully sorted, despite you not even acknowledging the glaring evidence... thanks for letting us know.
what excuse have the fords got in this stage?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

so the car is fully sorted, despite you not even acknowledging the glaring evidence... thanks for letting us know.
what excuse have the fords got in this stage?

Meeke's words, not mine.

M-Sports dont need an excuse.. they are already Champions.

[er88]

Meeke's words, not mine.

M-Sports dont need an excuse.. they are already Champions.You are being incredibly obtuse

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[wrc2017]

Meeke's words, not mine.

M-Sports dont need an excuse.. they are already Champions.

Meeke doesn't have access to splits, like we do, so of course he cant say where he lost time or not. Breen lost 30s and Lebreve +1m04 with spin. So join the dots Eddie.
Gud luck waiting on the next championship

[Tarmop]

That`s why it would be nice to quote the person, who one is quoting...

[wrc2017]

amazing choice of words

obtuse
əbˈtjuːs/
adjective
1.
annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.



You are being incredibly obtuse

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke doesn't have access to splits, like we do, so of course he cant say where he lost time or not. Breen lost 30s and Lebreve +1m04 with spin. So join the dots Eddie.
Gud luck waiting on the next championship

This year's success has been 30 years in the waiting. I dont care about next year, its all been done this year.

You wont ever have that feeling.

[KKS]

90% dry for SS10
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/931641162489720832

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You are being incredibly obtuse



Sorry if you guys 'dont understand'. If people already have an agenda then they dont make it easy...

[wrc2017]

Sorry if you guys 'dont understand'. If people already have an agenda then they dont make it easy...

you really are redefining the word 'obtuse'

[Alex009]

This year's success has been 30 years in the waiting. I dont care about next year, its all been done this year.

You wont ever have that feeling.

Amen.

[KKS]

Ogier +13sec at Sp1

[wia5958]

Jaysus lads give it a break

[KKS]

+14.7 for Ogier, looks like he spun

[wrc2017]

This year's success has been 30 years in the waiting. I dont care about next year, its all been done this year.

You wont ever have that feeling.

i dont need the feeling of being saved by a frenchman

[Jinu13]

Haha so much tension over championships. This year is decided. Next year is anyone's guess. Grab a beer and enjoy the rally boys

[wrc2017]

is lebrefve out.. he is going up the motrway on the live tracker

[wrc2017]

given ogier demeanour.. i wouldn't be surprised if this was his last rally.

[KKS]

Nueville +10sec probably same miss a junction as Ogier

[EstWRC]

Neuville +10 in spl1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

i dont need the feeling of being saved by a frenchman

But you back a French team.

[Eli]

given Ogier demeanor.. i wouldn't be surprised if this was his last rally.

I think the opposite is the correct option.

[KKS]

Nueville +10sec probably same miss a junction as Ogier
But it can be just "A wrong split"©
:D

[EstWRC]

the Fords just have no pace here

[KKS]

Paddon:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3hgWjVwAAsLmK.jpg

[Eric]

But it can be just "A wrong split"©
:D

Of course. Its never Neuvilles fault :p

[dimviii]

Paddon

https://twitter.com/racrcraig/status/931648693958164480

[EstWRC]

Meeke also +9 in spl1

[KKS]

same ~+10sec for Meeke... what going there? rain?

[wrc2017]

But you back a French team.

i dont

[Fast Eddie WRC]

the Fords just have no pace here

The rally doesnt matter to them. The job was done 3 weeks ago.

[wrc2017]

same ~+10sec for Meeke... what going there? rain?

could be..

[wrc2017]

The rally doesnt matter to them. The job was done 3 weeks ago.

i wonder why they spent a £1m turning up then

[Fast Eddie WRC]

i dont

So you support a team that is all foreign.

[KKS]

and Mikkelsen same split as Ogier +18sec O_O

[Alex009]

the Fords just have no pace here

Yeah because of the starting order, everyone knew it already before the start.

[dimviii]

Latvala is going to pass Neuville at this rythm

[wrc2017]

So you support a team that is all foreign.

i dont

[Eli]

What's going on with the top 2??

[bluuford]

No rain there

[Simmi]

Latvala going well here. Got his mojo with him Down Under.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

i dont

You dont do much for rallying then. You just come on here to criticise.

[EstWRC]

lol it seems they all followed Ogiers lines and missed junction

[KKS]

Loool. Neuville follow Ogier wrong line and went same way :D

[Mirek]

@ wrc2017, Fast Eddie WRC For God's sake stop it finally.

[EstWRC]

Yeah because of the starting order, everyone knew it already before the start.

just 1 car between Tänak and Latvala and Jari is way faster.

[bluuford]

Seems that Mikkelsen is moving very slowly on the stage, loosing at least minute here

[Eric]

Mikkelsen 39 behind Latvala on 2 split

[wrc2017]

You dont do much for rallying then. You just come on here to criticise.

i talk sense.. your just obtuse

[Eli]

Seems that Mikkelsen is moving very slowly on the stage, loosing at least minute here

Slow puncture perhaps? 2 spins & a stall?

[wrc2017]

Mikkelsen 39 behind Latvala on 2 split
Mikkelsen has damage from overshoot by the looks

[bluuford]

Slow puncture perhaps? 2 spins & a stall?

No, he is barely movin 70 km/h

[KKS]

Neuville into a lead!

[steve.mandzij]

Oof, huge time loss from Mikkelsen... As I always say, he simply cracks under pressure. He's not as amazing as everyone says.

Unfortunate for him, but with this stage Neuville and Latvala sit at 1-2!

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[EstWRC]

so 1-2 for future teammates Latvala and Tänak on this stage :)

[Eli]

No, he is barely movin 70 km/h

My bad, I should probably look at the WRC maps.

[wrc2017]

Neuville into a lead!

Mikkelsen slow kph on tracker

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@ wrc2017, Fast Eddie WRC For God's sake stop it finally.

Sorry some people have to be challenged.

[mknight]

Oof, huge time loss from Mikkelsen... As I always say, he simply cracks under pressure. He's not as amazing as everyone says.

Unfortunate for him, but with this stage Neuville and Latvala sit at 1-2!

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Yes Australia last year is perfect example... or Germany this year.... ohhh wait.

[wrc2017]

one 1 spare. he is fucked

[KKS]

two pucntures and one spare for Mikkelsen...

[EstWRC]

what a fight for the win and third place now!

[wrc2017]

Yes Australia last year is perfect example... or Germany this year.... ohhh wait.

Aye.. Germany...

Driving a Citroen, getting beaten by a Scandinavian on tarmac in a Ford.. isnt a great conquest

[Simmi]

Gutted for Andreas. Would have been awesome to get that eighth winner this year. His speed is undoubted and next year he'll be right up there I think.


Fair play some absolute sh*te being spouted on the forum this evening. Off to bed I think.

[wrc2017]

Gutted for Andreas. Would have been awesome to get that eighth winner this year. His speed is undoubted and next year he'll be right up there I think.

I think Hyundai should lay him off for a rally...

[er88]

Shame for Andreas. Game over with that costly mistake. Thought this was his rally. What a fight we might have now for the win

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[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3l7ZSVAAAMqAD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3l9wuUMAAWWkK.jpg

[Eli]

Shame for Andreas. Game over with that costly mistake. Thought this was his rally. What a fight we might have now for the win

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As long as Latvala doesn't have an ECU glitch...fingers crossed!!!

[Mk2 RS2000]

Sorry some people have to be challenged.

There are sometimes when I do think that a number of you are. You are worse a room full of 14 year old schoolgirls.

[steve.mandzij]

Yes Australia last year is perfect example... or Germany this year.... ohhh wait.Save for Australia last year he's made many mistakes under pressure. In Germany this year he was in the lead until he slid into a field and lost it. In Spain last year he had a massive accident while Neuville was starting to catch up to him. In Sweden (2015?) he was on the brink of his maiden win and slid into a bank on the Power Stage. 2 out of his 3 wins were handed to him on the final two stages because of issues for the leaders. He's super quick for sure but can't manage leads well at all.

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[wrc2017]

There are sometimes when I do think that a number of you are. You are worse a room full of 14 year old schoolgirls.

I feel like im back at school.. ive learnt what obtuse is today.. and got a live demo

[wrc2017]

Save for Australia last year he's made many mistakes under pressure. In Germany this year he was in the lead until he slid into a field and lost it. In Spain last year he had a massive accident while Neuville was starting to catch up to him. In Sweden (2015?) he was on the brink of his maiden win and slid into a bank on the Power Stage. 2 out of his 3 wins were handed to him on the final two stages because of issues for the leaders. He's super quick for sure but can't manage leads well at all.

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Didnt he put a Skoda in pulp this year too?

[steve.mandzij]

Didnt he put a Skoda in pulp this year too?Yes in fact, in Portugal.

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[AnttiL]

Aye.. Germany...

Driving a Citroen, getting beaten by a Scandinavian on tarmac in a Ford.. isnt a great conquest

Who Scandinavian?

[wrc2017]

Yes in fact, in Portugal.

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Caught again, Micheal Knight only using the facts that suit his argument.

[AnttiL]

Didnt he put a Skoda in pulp this year too?

In Portugal, crashed from a certain lead on last stage

[EstWRC]

Who Scandinavian?

i was wondering it too

[wrc2017]

Who Scandinavian?

Near enough that makes no difference. If he fell over he would cross the border.

The fact remains

[wrc2017]

Caught again, Micheal Knight only using the facts that suit his argument.

I think he actually has a man crush on Andreas.

[wrc2017]

Right.. who is leading this rally..

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3o1fVUMAEStWu.jpg

[Eli]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3o1fVUMAEStWu.jpg

He's lucky it's happening now, while we're still in 2017, next year mistakes like that will be more meaningful.

[mknight]

Save for Australia last year he's made many mistakes under pressure. In Germany this year he was in the lead until he slid into a field and lost it. In Spain last year he had a massive accident while Neuville was starting to catch up to him. In Sweden (2015?) he was on the brink of his maiden win and slid into a bank on the Power Stage. 2 out of his 3 wins were handed to him on the final two stages because of issues for the leaders. He's super quick for sure but can't manage leads well at all.

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Clearly this is especially selective view.
You list 2 mistakes in 2,5 years... and at the same time say that two wins were "handed" by others mistakes. Turning it around in those cases (especially 2015 Spain) he kept his calm even when fighting off Latvala and it gave him the win. Can also list other examples like Portugal last year and fighting off Ogier, or the mentioned Australia.

In Germany this year he lost the lead on Friday in heavy rain and late road position with only some seconds lost on one breaking, Tanak who won was off the road and extremely lucky to climb up.

So no I don't see any big trend there. He's certainly not as stable as Ogier, but compared to all others drivers he's pretty average.

(Neuville has at least 3 DNF-offs under pressure this year, Tanak has Poland and Finland and so on)

As to how much of a mistake this was we'll see on the onboard, 3 other top drivers were off on this stage as well.

[AL14]

SAT 10:00 - SS11: PADDON
"I think it's time to forget about the result and the stage times here and try and get a good feeling for the car. If I look at the timing board I get disappointed. I've got to just try and enjoy it."

I'm following his stage end comment lately and he always sounds like a beaten man. I'm very sorry for him because it should be a very difficult moment for him as a driver. Going from an Ogier-beater and possible new world champion to pronely crashing and not showing speed anymore should be hard. Also the crash in Montecarlo didn't help.
I hope he will put things together but it will be difficult with half a program next year...

[wrc2017]

naaaaahhh.
Clearly this is especially selective view.
You list 2 mistakes in 2,5 years... and at the same time say that two wins were "handed" by others mistakes. Turning it around in those cases (especially 2015 Spain) he kept his calm even when fighting off Latvala and it gave him the win. Can also list other examples like Portugal last year and fighting off Ogier, or the mentioned Australia.

In Germany this year he lost the lead on Friday in heavy rain and late road position with only so some seconds lost on one breaking, Tanak who won was off the road and extremely lucky to climb up.

So no I don't see any big trend there. He's certainly not as stable as Ogier, but compared to all others drivers he's pretty average.

(Neuville has at least 3 offs under pressure this year, Tanak has Poland and Finland and so on)

As to how much of a mistake this was we'll see on the onboard, 3 other top drivers were off on this stage as well.

[wrc2017]

yes its a shark pond.
there is no way back i fear.
only for NZ hyundai backing i dont even think he would have any programme next yr
SAT 10:00 - SS11: PADDON
"I think it's time to forget about the result and the stage times here and try and get a good feeling for the car. If I look at the timing board I get disappointed. I've got to just try and enjoy it."

I'm following his stage end comment lately and he always sounds like a beaten man. I'm very sorry for him because it should be a very difficult moment for him as a driver. Going from an Ogier-beater and possible new world champion to pronely crashing and not showing speed anymore should be hard. Also the crash in Montecarlo didn't help.
I hope he will put things together but it will be difficult with half a program next year...

[Tarmop]

Well, tbh, i wouldn't count NORF and Poland mistakes made under pressure, especially the first one, although winning in Poland was a must and 2. wasn't an option. Without that need a solid 2. Would have been achieved.

[mknight]

Well, tbh, i wouldn't count NORF and Poland mistakes made under pressure, especially the first one, although winning in Poland was a must and 2. wasn't an option. Without that need a solid 2. Would have been achieved.

In NORF Tanak got self-induced puncure from first place while his gap was reducing. In Poland well it was his choice to push on instead of settling for 2nd afaik. Ogier would have probably settled for 2nd which is why he is WDC this year.

Again this is not really criticism, just pointing out that a few mistakes per year are normal to all drivers, only Ogier stands out positively. Breen partly as well but he's not really fighting for wins.

[SubaruNorway]

"Everyone" went off on the Mikkelsen corner according to Neuville, so much BS on this forum it's incredible.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I feel like im back at school.. ive learnt what obtuse is today..

Wow you actually admit you dont know it all.

But if you are going to talk to people like you do, then some of us arent going to put up with it .

Sorry to the rest of you.

[wrc2017]

in NOT's absense, i think i provide some diversion from the daily grind...
Gutted for Andreas. Would have been awesome to get that eighth winner this year. His speed is undoubted and next year he'll be right up there I think.


Fair play some absolute sh*te being spouted on the forum this evening. Off to bed I think.

[AL14]

"Everyone" went off on the Mikkelsen corner according to Neuville, so much BS on this forum it's incredible.

What kind of posts are you referring to?

[wrc2017]

i was joking... you obviously dont get my duir sense of humour. Anyway..
did they call u 'Fast' Eddie at school?

Wow you actually admit you dont know it all.

But if you are going to talk to people like you do, then some of us arent going to put up with it .

Sorry to the rest of you.

[wrc2017]

meeke comment.. at stage end

SAT 10:15 - SS11: MEEKE
"In the right conditions we have the speed but I don't think we have the pace to win the rally outright. But as we saw in the last stage anything can happen

in his own words





Wow you actually admit you dont know it all.

But if you are going to talk to people like you do, then some of us arent going to put up with it .

Sorry to the rest of you.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

CC on Rally Live: 'The Citroen has improved massively.'

[wrc2017]

from a low base
CC on Rally Live: 'The Citroen has improved massively.'

[Fast Eddie WRC]

from a low base

Still won in Mexico on gravel.

[AL14]

Guys, stop acting like children.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm off to bed now but WRC2017 will carry on with someone else.. he is NOT II ;)

[wrc2017]

acknowledged among those that know was related to good engine at high altitude... all others had engine performance related issues. the suspension issues were clearly evident also.
Still won in Mexico on gravel.

[wrc2017]

There is only one WRC2017... im taking this shit to a new level.
I'm off to bed now but WRC2017 will carry on with someone else.. he is NOT II.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There is only one WRC2017... im taking this shit to a new level.

You are. Amazing.

[wrc2017]

is it in the regs now you cant drive road section with flat tyre? previously drivers would have tried anything to get back to service

[bluuford]

is it in the regs now you cant drive road section with flat tyre? previously drivers would have tried anything to get back to service

You have to have four wheel, turning and rubber must be on it. Mikkelsen could not match the last criteria.

[SubaruNorway]

What kind of posts are you referring to?

Take a guess ;)
I overslept and just woke up trying to get ready for an all nighter when Mikkelsen came to the stage finish so excuse my grumpiness....

[raybak]

The first stage today had to be stopped for the State field as one of the State competitors in a Mitsubishi Galant VR4 landed upside down in a creek. Lucky there were some locals there to turn the car upright so the crew didn't drown.

[Mk2 RS2000]

is it in the regs now you cant drive road section with flat tyre? previously drivers would have tried anything to get back to service

Aside from the regulations there is the little matter of compliance with the Traffic Regulations of the host country

[KKS]

Did Tanak have any motivation to try win a rally? I think he could make that 20sec, but does he really want it? or all thoughts in 2018 and Toyota?

[bluuford]

MAX attack in the afternoon!;)

[er88]

MAX attack in the afternoon!;)Exactly, no reason to hold anything back

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[KKS]

I can't told that seeing his body-language

[KKS]

wrc+ has freeze all dot's with static speed. Anyone have same?

edit: yep, that glitch for all... even for wrc.com
no splits so far

[EstWRC]

same, doesnt even show drivers on the stage

[KKS]

Evans dot pop-up

[steve.mandzij]

Awful splits, all three are at different points.

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[KKS]

Top3 drivers was a huge information advantage here...

[KKS]

Tanak on slower pace than Ogier who no need to push at all. :(

[EstWRC]

Ogier with front damage

[KKS]

Again lucky Ogier.... those slippy section could force him retire

[KKS]

#Tyre (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tyre?src=hash) info:
Kris Meeke, Craig Breen, Jari-Matti Latvala & Sébastien Ogier: 3 Hard 2 Soft
Esapekka Lappi & Hayden Paddon: 4 Hard 2 Soft
Stéphane Lefebvre: 5 Soft
Thierry Neuville & Ott Tanak : 4 Hard & 1 Soft
...

[steve.mandzij]

PADDON MADE UP TIME! :D

AND LATVALA WITH A MONSTER SECOND SPLIT!

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[EstWRC]

is that Latvalas split right? 8.9 up on Neuville

[KKS]

"it must be wrong split"©

[EstWRC]

Now just 1.6 secs up on Tänak, i think that second split isnt right

[KKS]

at 3rd all back to normal

[EstWRC]

and in the end slower than Tänak just 0.1

[steve.mandzij]

Nooo

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[EstWRC]

what a time by Neuville, unbelieveable....9.8 secs faster than Latvala

[KKS]

Oh.. massive time by Neuville! -9.9 on Latvala!

[EstWRC]

Tänak past Meeke up to third place

[KKS]

Meeke on last 2 sectors lost 16.7 sec

[KKS]

Jesus Christ Kris? AGAIN?

[KKS]

Lappi had a moment on SS13

[the sniper]

Lappi all over the place on SS13!

[er88]

Neuville is so fast when he's on it.

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[er88]

Lappi a lucky boy to have made it through this stage

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[EstWRC]

Ogier

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO4SNSOWsAYcPiw.jpg

[steve.mandzij]

News on Meeke?

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[KKS]

an idiot!

Kris..... ну бляха ж ти муха ти така!

[EstWRC]

Meeke retired and Tänak has no spare

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO4XXhbWkAEXg9W.jpg

[KKS]

He could reverse on live coverage but couldn't run in slow pace through 30km of stages? Bahhh!

[Essaj]

M-Sport informing that stage 14 is cancelled

[KKS]

M-Sport informing that stage 14 is cancelled
Again Meeke in trouble... do 9km and two micky-mouse stage it will be easy!

[KKS]

Rally Australia‏ @RallyAustralia (https://twitter.com/RallyAustralia)



SS14 (Newry) - Cancelled due to damaged bridge

[KKS]

Meeke should learn one simple phrase: "Never give up!"

[SubaruNorway]

Meeke should learn one simple phrase: "Never give up!"

Dude, chill.
They've got nothing to gain from rolling through the stages and possibly break the car, so better so save it and do some testing tomorrow.

[KKS]

Dude, chill.
They've got nothing to gain from rolling through the stages and possibly break the car, so better so save it and do some testing tomorrow.
Yep, I'm a bit high on it... but now he doing a 110-113kph on a public road with "huge damaged suspension that could not continue a rally"... are he serious?

Matton will be not glad at all

[KKS]

If there that damaged bridge that causing a stage cancellation?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO380ZoVAAAe4xO.jpg

[er88]

Yep, I'm a bit high on it... but now he doing a 110-113kph on a public road with "huge damaged suspension that could not continue a rally"... are he serious?

Matton will be not glad at allHeard he was told to bring the car back

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[Zeakiwi]

Is the super special stage being livestreamed on facebook? or does the broadcast rights stop that?

[dimviii]

NOT likes it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO5cUEJVwAA9ieP.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO5YT-oU8AAzegD.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO32-RUVwAE36NV.jpg

[dimviii]

Michelin video leg 2
https://youtu.be/42kVZWclsHs

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3e0ZvXcAAvSML.jpg


nice jump from Tanak
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/24277-ott-tanak-huge-jump-rally-australia-2017-maximum-attack/

[AnttiL]

If there that damaged bridge that causing a stage cancellation?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO380ZoVAAAe4xO.jpg

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/rally-australia-stage-cancellation-water-crash-980016/


The crash is unrelated to a damaged wooden bridge on the Newry stage, which forced organisers to cancel the second pass through the 20-kilometre test for both WRC and Australian Rally Championship competitors.

[er88]

Shame we aren't getting an 8th winner this year, but what an exciting season and I didn't expect 7winners at the start of the year, that's for sure. Thierry has chucked this championship away big time though when you see how fast he's been on most events

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[COD]

Where did Rovanperä dissapear? Can’t find reason

[AnttiL]

Where did Rovanperä dissapear? Can’t find reason

Punctures https://twitter.com/KalleRovanpera/status/931755052288675840

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO5CPqeWsAA3KXW.jpg

[Simmi]

Very impressive from Neuville. Latvala seemed to have the momentum and confidence, but Thierry banged in those two big stage times after service. Stepping up just at the right time.

Gaps are quite big now at the top but with some weather around tomorrow it could change things.

[Simmi]

Random stato question. Are the Aussie national drivers (Quinn, Herridge etc) eligible to take that last world championship point? Or am I right in thinking it has to go to a car in one of the FIA homologated classes?

[A FONDO]

I really don't get drivers taking only one spare on a rally like this.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Meeke's done it again... :(

I'm afraid no matter how much Citroen improve the C3, their main driver is too inconsistent to get them results.

[SubaruNorway]

I really don't get drivers taking only one spare on a rally like this.

If Mikkelsen brought 2 he would be easily caught by the others, the spot he punctured would be fine 9 out of 10 times anyway.
It's not a very rough rally really, just lots of small banks instead of ditches.

[Rallyper]

I really don't get drivers taking only one spare on a rally like this.

Yeah. I was just going to say the same. How on earth do they dare taking only one spare, when you can have two? Look what came out of the wrong decisions!!

[Rallyper]

If Mikkelsen brought 2 he would be easily caught by the others, the spot he punctured would be fine 9 out of 10 times anyway.
It's not a very rough rally really, just lots of small banks instead of ditches.

Rough enough for only one spare!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@M-SportLtd
With all three Ford Fiesta WRC drivers climbing the standings today, @OttTanak has moved into podium position and the team are on course to secure their goals at this weekend's rally.

https://t.co/0n5Ym2CrLJ https://t.co/VKE9KoCinW

[Zeakiwi]

These 2017 cars seem ideal matches with a current day version of the mousse tyre. (4 mousse tyres per rough gravel event to be used strategically? who would risk taking no spare at all (if road rules allow)?

[Mirek]

Who would be willing to produce such meaningless amount of mousse tyres?

[SubaruNorway]

Yeah. I was just going to say the same. How on earth do they dare taking only one spare, when you can have two? Look what came out of the wrong decisions!!

Because you won't win with two spares and that's what everyone is driving for in this rally :)
What caused the guys further down the field to puncture was the entry to the bridge that made them cancelled the stage, the rally itself is probably smoother than Finland.

[Munkvy]

Yeah. I was just going to say the same. How on earth do they dare taking only one spare, when you can have two? Look what came out of the wrong decisions!!

When you see these roads, you don't think of needing a lot of spares, they are mostly smooth, fast and flowing. Not a huge amount of things to hit as long as you stay on the forestry roads. It's pushing past the limits or the parts where the surface changes that things become a problem from what I could see of walking stages today.

We went to the 1st stage, the 3rd and the last proper stage today and had mixed success. The first stage there was reasonably heavy rain on the way in, which eased as soon as we arrived. We watched from 2-3km into the stage which is the longest of the weekend. Again the Citroens looked very loose and it was definitely wet but drying, however certainly some wet points in the 2-300m we could see, but the WRC cars all seemed to get through ok, got a few pics from this stage, but as it was a spectator zone we didn't really have a good place to actually watch from!

Andreas was definitely quite sideways:

https://image.ibb.co/kcaqCm/DSC03207.jpg

Evans from Australia rejoined, and although it's a very ugly car, he was looking quick and committed:

https://image.ibb.co/mchqdR/DSC03228.jpg

Once again Mike Young was committed, good to see someone properly sliding a FWD:

https://image.ibb.co/b3AnQ6/DSC03233.jpg

Not sure who this was from the State field, but looked very committed, just right at the limit of the camera range, he did this for 2-3 corners until he got close to us:

https://image.ibb.co/ixzxQ6/DSC03290.jpg

[Munkvy]

We then went to SS12, where there was a couple of Breen fans, and sat about 1.5-2m above the road right at the end of a fast, flowing section of road:

There were a couple of Toyota fans here specifically because they had GT4 Celicas and wanted to see WRC Toyotas, man they loved seeing this:

https://image.ibb.co/gMJDyR/DSC03313.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/diiwJR/DSC03314.jpg

Evans was also tidy, right in the right lines:

https://image.ibb.co/gGv456/DSC03319.jpg

Strangely Ogier was quite wide:

https://image.ibb.co/hgEaCm/DSC03325.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/mRdP56/DSC03328.jpg

Interestingly, Paddon and Meeke looked the fastest, but stage times didn't agree. One of the other very quick drivers was Nathan Quinn in the Evo 9 in the ARC field, who looked like he was really pushing along well, carrying lots of speed. Sorry in advance for the poor videos!

Paddon:

https://youtu.be/TkSxqe_z79k

Meeke:

https://youtu.be/Z113mxUeN2I

Quinn:

https://youtu.be/J4L2mimVKFQ

[KKS]

Punctures https://twitter.com/KalleRovanpera/status/931755052288675840

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO5CPqeWsAA3KXW.jpg
this from re-group before SSS? Cuz he try continue go slow on road section

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrJiw1qikIM :vader:

[Munkvy]

And finally, what not to do if you don't own the car...

https://image.ibb.co/gvdDyR/DSC03339.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/kZtrk6/DSC03338.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/fs4aCm/DSC03337.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/iJ0456/DSC03336.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/nsj8Xm/DSC03335.jpg

Poor Brendan was doing well as the lead Aussie until the first stage today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Munkvy, your photo-heavy posts are causing havoc loading the forum on my phone !

[dimviii]

more cars from same place at Tanaks jump
https://youtu.be/bfoDNdGWrCc

[mknight]

Just saw the daily highlights.

Mikkelsens' mistake was not on same spot as Ogier/Neuville/Meeke. It was quite innocent touch-up that you see with every driver on just about every stage, this kind would usually end with puncture if it's against rock/concrete but against sidebanks it typically does nothing. Double puncture from that is quite some luck.

[Rallyper]

Because you won't win with two spares and that's what everyone is driving for in this rally :)
What caused the guys further down the field to puncture was the entry to the bridge that made them cancelled the stage, the rally itself is probably smoother than Finland.

I can´t really follow the line of thinking here.

One spare, two punctures = you won´t win
Two spares, two punctures = still in the game.

Knowing you have only one spare, shouldn´t it make you drive more careful? Loosing time also, maybe?
There´s also a car and a driver and also what happens in their interaction, eg. skillness is more important than a car going 0,1 sec slower with two spare.

So, no I don´t follow. And smooth roads and still a whole chunk of punctures?

[ESTR]

And smooth roads and still a whole chunk of punctures?

Michelin tyres are bad as it is this year. More punctures...

[SubaruNorway]

I can´t really follow the line of thinking here.

One spare, two punctures = you won´t win
Two spares, two punctures = still in the game.

Knowing you have only one spare, shouldn´t it make you drive more careful? Loosing time also, maybe?
There´s also a car and a driver and also what happens in their interaction, eg. skillness is more important than a car going 0,1 sec slower with two spare.

So, no I don´t follow. And smooth roads and still a whole chunk of punctures?

But with two spares you need to push harder to not loose too much time to those who has one so...
It didn't work for the Citroëns with two spares, losing loads of time with 16 and 33sec behind in Nambucca in the first loop then Meek hits a bridge pushing too hard.

Hasn't been many punctures here, Breen had one off the rim?

[ESTR]

These bridges are quite tricky, you can easily loose a lot. It's better step back a little and get to the finish maybe sec slower and still be in the game. He is experienced enough and could know that... In the RBR (game) I was often crash into the bridge and lose all. And pretty muh every bridge was behind some corner and I push pretty much and not get t the finish.. Guys I know is the game but similar in the reality..

[Rallyper]

Edit: My computer gone mad.

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_11_2017/post-93-0-54508100-1510996418.jpg

[Rallyper]

But with two spares you need to push harder to not loose too much time to those who has one so...
It didn't work for the Citroëns with two spares, losing loads of time with 16 and 33sec behind in Nambucca in the first loop then Meek hits a bridge pushing too hard.

Hasn't been many punctures here, Breen had one off the rim?

Still, Mikkelsen lost his lead, and no win. Bcs only one spare.

[Simmi]

Still, Mikkelsen lost his lead, and no win. Bcs only one spare.

Well he would have lost the lead and likely the win regardless of whether he had another spare in the boot.

These decisions always look horrible in hindsight. But you play the percentages and sport is always about taking calculated risks. I know you know that.

[dimviii]

watch how unlucky was Meeke,and how lucky was Ogier.Nice different camera catch at Tanaks nice jump.
https://youtu.be/g9SnXa1a-0w

[EstWRC]

How come they both have the same light broken?

http://p.ocdn.ee/40/i/2017/11/18/oe4w5y3e.4cr.jpg
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23668748_10155147757335678_6063170265917764989_o.j pg?oh=1f1a5b49992ac032dea557ceabe61c15&oe=5AAEAAE3
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23736077_10155147758835678_8229603995595003071_o.j pg?oh=9163d8707e96485b98175673569f89ed&oe=5A95746A
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23736084_10155147758850678_7768682873999992112_o.j pg?oh=796df12d224a8009cd87d44a7aeb87a0&oe=5AAFCAB2
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23674687_10155147757725678_4769978929717284796_o.j pg?oh=0161ae26050f4b4e99eda52bb1f08fa1&oe=5A6262DF
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23632275_10155147758470678_1558258211385018827_o.j pg?oh=5504c42d2ab85b27203e29cbcad1bb13&oe=5A9E5B40
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23632634_10155147758255678_4203844427095846874_o.j pg?oh=d4d3f6bd785e25c1e66126f43dedeb87&oe=5AABFFD2

[SubaruNorway]

This must be the dumbest thing I've ever seen, 3:15 into Welsh Creek with Meeke and Latvala.

[KKS]

This must be the dumbest thing I've ever seen, 3:15 into Welsh Creek with Meeke and Latvala.
Did Michelle watch this? Put red card on this rally and bring back Poland or NZ

[Eli]

Did Michelle watch this? Put red card on this rally and bring back Poland or NZEhm ehm, NZ... Ehm

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[Eli]

Just seen the daily highlights and Meeke's minor mistake at the bridge, and Yves Matton's decision to retire the car, I really hope someone up there at the PSA group will show him the door or to be precise, throw him off the bridge...

[Mirek]

This must be the dumbest thing I've ever seen, 3:15 into Welsh Creek with Meeke and Latvala.

I hope You don't mind if I repost Your screenshots on autosport.cz forum. This is unbelieavable...

[AnttiL]

How come they both have the same light broken?



I think some driver mentioned plastic posts on the side of the road

[AnttiL]

This must be the dumbest thing I've ever seen, 3:15 into Welsh Creek with Meeke and Latvala.

Darwin Awards candidates...

[steve.mandzij]

Darwin Awards candidates...Rather Coffs Harbour Awards :D

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[Essaj]

Here is the idiots from Welsh Creek stage from Kalle's incar

http://prntscr.com/hc472a

[ESTR]

watch how unlucky was Meeke,and how lucky was Ogier.Nice different camera catch at Tanaks nice jump.
https://youtu.be/g9SnXa1a-0w

Ogier have luck all year with that kind of mistakes. When other made mistake they can't continue... And don't say he could manage the best from it. We all know if other were more consistent he would not be in these position right now. He is not even fast these year, on some ocasions yes but not almost everywhere.

Wow about those stupidity of people who were lying on the side of the roads!!! Someone really needs to drive over their hands so they can learn that they ruin sport... How could some insects are that stupid? I don't understand

[SubaruNorway]

I hope You don't mind if I repost Your screenshots on autosport.cz forum. This is unbelieavable...

No problem! I was sure Meeke drove over the guy when i saw it the first time, but then they were there for the next cars also...

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zj0rUesfgs listen them at the end cursing the fooking watersplash spilling water everywhere :D

[sonnybobiche]

Here is the idiots from Welsh Creek stage from Kalle's incar

http://prntscr.com/hc472a

Not expecting David Evans to write a single word about this, and certainly there will be no yellow card for the event. The Aussies pay far too much money to lose their rally.

Poland on the other hand... well, they really need to get their act together! Did you know that there were spectators mere feet away from the road on the straight? Madness! They're finished! Finished, I say!!!

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO7qE7oX4AIna2g?format=jpg&name=large

[tommeke_B]

Not expecting David Evans to write a single word about this, and certainly there will be no yellow card for the event. The Aussies pay far too much money to lose their rally.

Poland on the other hand... well, they really need to get their act together! Did you know that there were spectators mere feet away from the road on the straight? Madness! They're finished! Finished, I say!!!

Well, here you have 2 idiots on the onboard footage. Not acceptable, but only 2. No organizer can prevent this, you cannot oversee each and every corner.

In Poland you had hundreds (maybe thousands) of people. Also safety cars didn't always bother to stop on places where a large number of spectators were unsafe. That's a very different situation.

[steve.mandzij]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zj0rUesfgs listen them at the end cursing the fooking watersplash spilling water everywhere :DHaha, fuming!

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Watched Meeke clip the bridge .. it was a bit unlucky. And he was rightly furious to be told to retire.

On Ogier, he clearly wasnt fully-concentred here. Job done in Wales and little chance in Aus with his road position.

Tanak did well closing on completing M-Sports podium on every round in this season record.

[itix]

This must be the dumbest thing I've ever seen, 3:15 into Welsh Creek with Meeke and Latvala.This alone should be enough to boot this ridiculous rally out of this championship.

Has anyone sent this to someone in the FIA?

Let's spam FIA safety people until they drop this crappy rally. If Poland was booted out for less, they should totally go too.

[itix]

Did Michelle watch this? Put red card on this rally and bring back Poland or NZExactly my opinion..

Un

Fucking


Believeable