Cyprus Rally 2017

[hari]

ERC Round 4 & MERC Round 3 - Cyprus Rally, 16 - 18 June 2017 - first information is available:

"A unique Cyprus Rally course awaits!":
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/press/a-unique-cyprus-rally-course-awaits/

The event is based again in Nicosia. Ceremonial Start is held at the beachfront of Foinikoudes in Larnaca, Finish will take place in tourist stronghold Ayia Napa at the port.
Quite some route changes in comparison to previous year - noticeable more gravel roads again.

The event will also feature again two "Golden Stages" which will offer cash prizes to the fastest crews of these two stages (total time through both stages).

Itinerary - 14 stages over 219,24 km:
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ITINERARY.pdf

Looking forward to some dusty ERC action at the event, after visiting some great WRC events in Cyprus in the past.

[Antreas]

I think magalhaes is very difficult to do Cyprus.He don't have sponsors

[Jarek Z]

Antonin Tlustak retired from Acropolis Rally with a fuel tank issue, but a replacement is being driven from Czech Republic – a journey of 21 hours – to enable the Czech driver to take up his planned entry on the upcoming Cyprus Rally.

[Jarek Z]

Gryazin’s ŠKODA Fabia R5 was destroyed by the flames in Greece, but plans are underway to transport a replacement Fabia from Italy to Cyprus in time for the fourth round of the ERC:
https://www.fiaerc.com/gryazin-targets-the-ultimate-erc-comeback-in-cyprus/

[PLuto]

I think magalhaes is very difficult to do Cyprus.He don't have sponsors

Bruno will do Cyprus.

[Antreas]

Possible Drivers
Al-Attiyah
Kajetanowich
magalhaes
Lukyanuk ??
Bouffier
gryazin
bostanci
botka
tlustak
von thurn
al-suwady
Tsouloftas
Enything Else??

[Jarek Z]

Lukyanuk? With broken legs? For sure not.

[Franky]

Lukyanuk? With broken legs? For sure not.

I'd guess that he's recovery will be quite long and rather unlikely that he'll enter any rounds this year.

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list should be released May 29th

[TWRC]

Possible Drivers
Al-Attiyah
Kajetanowich
magalhaes
Lukyanuk ??
Bouffier
gryazin
bostanci
botka
tlustak
von thurn
al-suwady
Tsouloftas
Enything Else??
Botka said he won't do any ERC rounds until they can find a new car. In the meantime he will be doing his favourite rallies in Hungary and Romania with the DS3.

[PLuto]

From this list for sure no Lukyanuk, Bouffier and Botka.

[Antreas]

Why no bouffier?,He said doing Cyprus

[PLuto]

Why no bouffier?,He said doing Cyprus

He will not do Cyprus. It was not in original programme, this event was always only "maybe".

[PLuto]

Car of Magalhaes is on ferry to Cyprus ;)

https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18881772_1579428838735904_6775936863792521809_n.jp g?oh=8e1dded510900ed004516c0c9717497e&oe=59A1C19D

[Antreas]

12 R5 according to Cyprus rally press conference

[Antreas]

Official list of entries
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/CYR2017-ENTRY-LIST-IN-SEEDED-ORDER-POSTED-07june2017.pdf?x44994

[hari]

My Gallery from Friday - We love dust:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_erc_cyprus_rallye_2017.html

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[dimviii]

why Nasser has this livery? to whom belongs the face at side and bonnet?

[aykutbilir]

why Nasser has this livery? to whom belongs the face at side and bonnet?

Because of to support his country and seyh


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[Iraquiano]

Strong start for Gryazin and Nasser. KAjto 3rd 10.1sec behind.

Puncture for Bonstanci on SS1, Magalhães does 6th time and got in Murat's dust for the last 10km.

SS2 stopped and canceled, SS3 was now delayed for regroup.

[Iraquiano]

SS5
Gryazin out

SS6
Kajto, Magalhães and Bonstanci out

Nasser just needs to finish now basically...

[Sub_Skoda]

SS5
Gryazin out

SS6
Kajto, Magalhães and Bonstanci out

Nasser just needs to finish now basically...

So disappointing rally.

[stefanvv]

Disappointing rally, Le Mans time

[Rallyper]

MAybe Greece and Cyprys are too bad for todays rallycars (R5)?

[Mirek]

Quite strange question when most of them crashed. Don't You think?

[stefanvv]

That could be interesting point too. Let's make a parallel with current wrc cars, we see less and less crashes for them (excluding very few regular customers), even thought the speed and competition level has increased? How is this possible while last year people were freaked out we'll see many (dangerous) crashes, bringing back Group B paranoia back?

[Iraquiano]

https://www.facebook.com/FiaEuropeanRallyChampionship/photos/a.236514779808452.56751.236514103141853/1264331220360131/?type=3&theater

Kajto, Bonstanci and Magalhães all crashed on the same spot

[Mirek]

That could be interesting point too. Let's make a parallel with current wrc cars, we see less and less crashes for them (excluding very few regular customers), even thought the speed and competition level has increased? How is this possible while last year people were freaked out we'll see many (dangerous) crashes, bringing back Group B paranoia back?

Because the wrc drivers are the best proffesionals You can get.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DChsRq3WsAEUjuz?format=jpg&name=large

[hari]

MAybe Greece and Cyprys are too bad for todays rallycars (R5)?

The stages in Cyprus have been way harder in the past. But its also a setup issue. Lots of them are setup visible lower than Nassers car - hitting ruts etc. Seeing how much faster Al-Attiyah can drive on these roads and how the car handles, the problems for the others were no surprise.

Live out on the stages it has been a fantastic and spectacular day again, fortunately lots of spectators out on the stages.

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_erc_cyprus_rallye_2017.html

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[Jarek Z]

I'm nearly sure I will be called controversial or silly or whatever after posting this, but I think this event should be the last nail in the coffin of such rallies. In my opinion it makes no sense to organize such rallies. What sense does it make to buy a car worth 250 000 E and ruin it in the sand? It's hard to call it a sports competition, it's just waiting who retires next.

I've collected some comments from the drivers. Do you enjoy such rallying?

Problems reported at the finish line:
technical issue
technical issue - gearbox
technical issue with gearbox transmission
technical issue with suspension
technical issue with gear shifting - stucked in the 2nd gear
technical issue - broken radiator
Zero car has technical issues
stalled engine
puncture
went into a ditch
went off
retired

Some comments from the drivers:
We were a bit too careful at some points because of the stones.
I am pretty surprised about the state of the stage. We were lucky that we had no damage, there were lots of stones so I will carry on being cautious while driving in the deep sand and over bumps so that I do not damage the car.
the road was quite damaged, more rocks were coming out.
It is not better, it is worse. It is too sandy, no grip, there were rocks coming out.
I am trying to drive carefully.
I had several big moments because there were a lot of stones in gravel, behind the bridge and lots of dust.

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/cyprus/40.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Kajto wants to re-start the rally tomorrow:

Our job is beautiful, although sometimes we go from one extreme to another. Two weeks ago we enjoyed beautiful moments, winning Acropolis Rally. Before coming to Cyprus I had known that this would be a huge challenge. We have good pace this season but it is just not possible to foresee everything at such high level. I would like to thank my team for their support and the same goes to our fans and partners. You can be sure that I will never give up. Tomorrow we are back in fight.

[Jarek Z]

Live out on the stages it has been a fantastic and spectacular day again, fortunately lots of spectators out on the stages.

Great photos Hari! Thanks for posting them!

[Mirek]

These events are not too rough ať all. That is pure nonsense. The problem Is terribly week entry lists. That's all.

Otherwise You can put Barum in the same group. That's another one of high atrition events. Some years back even such short event as Rally Kopna, which is held on Barum stages, had around 50% retirements on 70 km! Actually with modern cars the situation Is way better than it used to be!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First major rally of the year I havent followed closely (as I'm on holiday) and it seems my timing is perfect...

[Jarek Z]

These events are not too rough ať all. That is pure nonsense. The problem Is terribly week entry lists. That's all.

So why are the entry lists so weak?

[Jarek Z]

First major rally of the year I havent followed closely (as I'm on holiday) and it seems my timing is perfect...

Have another drink and enjoy your holiday Eddie! :) You are not losing much.

[Mirek]

Because the promoter of the championship did a shitty job and in case od Cyprus also because od the island location and bad date.

It helps nothing to address wrong reasons. R5 are way more durable than gr.N which were main cars in ERC until 2007 and they are not less durable than wrc around 2000 when they were allowed in ERC. Same can be said about 2wd. It wasn't any better in the past.

[WUff1]

Putting Cyprus directly after Acropolis was a very bad decision by FIA, even if it saved some money for the few international starters.
Now ERC lost some reputation again.

EDIT: And still too many island or perphery events, now 4 in a row before first rally on European main land.

[Jarek Z]

Here's what happened to Gryazin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI0G5iqgLKk

[mousti]

Because the promoter of the championship did a shitty job and in case od Cyprus also because od the island location and bad date.

It helps nothing to address wrong reasons. R5 are way more durable than gr.N which were main cars in ERC until 2007 and they are not less durable than wrc around 2000 when they were allowed in ERC. Same can be said about 2wd. It wasn't any better in the past.

That's the big reason why Ypres left, we are maybe missing out on some fast R2's and the JERC28 is quite good but you can't say it was a bad move from Penasse because I'm pretty sure they didn't have to pay TER or MSA 100K+ EUR to be part of it. Big question will be though will TER get bigger and will the BRC maintain a strong championship with so much nice entries over the whole season?

But anyways championship stays 'exciting' because Kajto and Bruno crashed in same corner :p

[PLuto]

Video of crashes of Bostanci, Kajto and Magalhaes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohv6WD93L1g

[eddy707]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohv6WD93L1g
Onboards from the Kajetanowicz/Magalhaes/Bostanci corner.
Properly scary

[PLuto]

These events are not too rough ať all. That is pure nonsense. The problem Is terribly week entry lists. That's all.

Acropolis was very rough, like always. Cyprus is mixture of rough gravel and sandy parts. On one stage you can find lot of types of gravel, I was really surprised. And it is really rough, especially second loops.

Entries on Acropolis and Cyprus were always weak, also when it was in WRC. Biggest problem for this events is that cars are damaged after the races and needs rebuilds. It is really big difference to do lets say Acropolis or Liepaja from this perspective.

[PLuto]

That's the big reason why Ypres left, we are maybe missing out on some fast R2's and the JERC28 is quite good but you can't say it was a bad move from Penasse because I'm pretty sure they didn't have to pay TER or MSA 100K+ EUR to be part of it. Big question will be though will TER get bigger and will the BRC maintain a strong championship with so much nice entries over the whole season?

But anyways championship stays 'exciting' because Kajto and Bruno crashed in same corner :p

I think that this topic should be talken in different thread. Ypres left ERC for some reason, mainly because Alain and Eurosport were not able to find agreement. But as always, nothing is black and white. Ypres had always strong entry and will have strong entry in the future, I am sure. But especially this year, if Ypres should be part of ERC instead of BRC, I am sure that we can watch better entry list than is now for this year...

[PLuto]

Quite strange question when most of them crashed. Don't You think?

Ok, Bruno, Kajto and Murat crashed on one spot, ok. But other retirements or issues were not because of crash, but usually because of rough surface or another troubles (punctures, gearboxes, damaged dampers, steering racks etc). First loop was ok, second loop with more stones on the road and also more sand in some places brought a lot of troubles to the most of competitors.

[PLuto]

Acropolis and Cyprus always were events, where is not so important to be fastest, but the most important was to reach the finish. And it is same also now.

But there is question if drivers are not able to "slow a little bit down" to not destroy the car or if the cars are not so good for this type of surface.

I think that problem should be not enough experience of other drivers to drive in this conditions. It is easy to understand why Nasser is leading - he has lot of experience and he knows how to drive the car in this conditions. How to play with throttle and brakes to have a car in correct line - to be fast and not to damage the car. But we will see tomorrow, everything can happen.

[nafpaktos]

problem the fiaerc.com

[nafpaktos]

Pluto,hari said< Lots of them are setup visible lower than Nassers car - hitting ruts etc.>do you have any info,if this is reality.i don't question hari but i know that pluto may have some extra info from inside.

[PLuto]

Pluto,hari said< Lots of them are setup visible lower than Nassers car - hitting ruts etc.>do you have any info,if this is reality.i don't question hari but i know that pluto may have some extra info from inside.

That is the question. Like I wrote, Nasser has really big experience with this type of stages and type of gravel. Roads are really changing, sometimes it is very hard gravel, almost like tarmac, then you are in sandy part, where you are happy, that you are able to go through, other part is very bumpy, where car receives lot of hits to the sumpguard and other things. And, of course, sand and dust is absolutely everywhere...

[PLuto]

And as I told - one thing is good setup, but another issue is to know how to use it. In this conditions it is really not easy.

But I must say that I am not against this rough rallies. Because it is something different. And I think that rally should be about "compromises" - to be fast on all surfaces. And like tarmac on Sanremo is not same like bumpy tarmac on Barum, same it is with fast gravel in Finland and rough gravel in Acropolis or here in Cyprus. I like the variability.

[mousti]

I think that this topic should be talken in different thread. Ypres left ERC for some reason, mainly because Alain and Eurosport were not able to find agreement. But as always, nothing is black and white. Ypres had always strong entry and will have strong entry in the future, I am sure. But especially this year, if Ypres should be part of ERC instead of BRC, I am sure that we can watch better entry list than is now for this year...
Totally agree about it that it's quite offtopic that's why I put in the last sentence to not have it be totally offtopic :p.

Cyprus wasn't always boring or not so exciting in the good years of IRC it was like all the other events quite nice, there were some good entries then bigger level than now aswell (absence of Luky is not good either for this year ERC but we can only hope he recovers well). And the Golden Stage was then also a very nice feature on the sunday! So it wasn't always like that :)

[PLuto]

Cyprus wasn't always boring or not so exciting in the good years of IRC it was like all the other events quite nice, there were some good entries then bigger level than now aswell (absence of Luky is not good either for this year ERC but we can only hope he recovers well). And the Golden Stage was then also a very nice feature on the sunday! So it wasn't always like that :)

But this was in golden era of IRC. In the age when this championship was really strong, with lot of manufacturers. And despite it the entry lists to the event like Cyprus were quite poor, especially comparing to events like Barum or Ypres.

[Jarek Z]

I think that problem should be not enough experience of other drivers to drive in this conditions. It is easy to understand why Nasser is leading - he has lot of experience and he knows how to drive the car in this conditions.

You suggest that Nasser Al Attiyah has so much experience, that he knows how to drive in such conditions. But in Acropolis he was a victim of the same conditions and didn't finish the rally, just like anybody else. His experience didn't help. Are such rallies really not too rough for R5 cars?

[PLuto]

You suggest that Nasser Al Attiyah has so much experience, that he knows how to drive in such conditions. But in Acropolis he was a victim of the same conditions and didn't finish the rally, just like anybody else. His experience didn't help. Are such rallies really not too rough for R5 cars?

I have did some stages in Acropolis and also on Cyprus and I must say that both events ARE really different. But the last question is good one. We will see, I will try to speak with some drivers tomorrow about their opinion.

[stefanvv]

Here's what happened to Gryazin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI0G5iqgLKk

This looks underivable, and terribly similar to Sardegna's power stage last week. Are R5 cars really that weak?!?

[Jarek Z]

But the last question is good one. We will see, I will try to speak with some drivers tomorrow about their opinion.

Great idea! Try to ask the drivers if you have a chance. It will be interesting to know what they think! Don't forget to publish the answers :)

[Jarek Z]

This looks underivable, and terribly similar to Sardegna's power stage last week. Are R5 cars really that weak?!?

And what's the situation in Le Mans? I heard a rally driver is leading? :)

[stefanvv]

And what's the situation in Le Mans? I heard a rally driver is leading? :)

I don't know who he is, but Toyota are failing miserably.

[Jarek Z]

I don't know who he is, but Toyota are failing miserably.

I meant Stephane Sarrazin, I heard his team was leading the race after 3 hours.

[Jarek Z]

Cyprus may have turned into a shitty rally, but those helicopter views are beautiful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruc6d6ldCh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTu6VV3QWA

I never liked filming from helicopter as it lacks dynamics, but those shots are great!

[stefanvv]

I meant Stephane Sarrazin, I heard his team was leading the race after 3 hours.

Sarazin, oh well he didn't lead I think, it is hard to find useful info on websites these times.

[Jarek Z]

Sarazin, oh well he didn't lead I think, it is hard to find useful info on websites these times.

Really? According to http://wyscigi.autoklub.pl/news/klopoty-toyoty,77272 it's Mike Conway, Kamui Kobayashi and Stéphane Sarrazin who are leading the race after 9 hours.

[stefanvv]

Really? According to http://wyscigi.autoklub.pl/news/klopoty-toyoty,77272 it's Mike Conway, Kamui Kobayashi and Stéphane Sarrazin who are leading the race after 9 hours.

It is lying.

[EightGear]

Sarrazin was leading yes.

But Toyota have completely disintegrated again, unbelievable.

[stefanvv]

And now seems as much disappointing as Cypres rally. Unbelievable.

[the sniper]

Sarrazin was leading yes.

But Toyota have completely disintegrated again, unbelievable.

Do we think Tommi and his village people would be up for running a sportscar team?

[MAXYrally]

Video of crashes of Bostanci, Kajto and Magalhaes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohv6WD93L1g
I can't figure out what was the issue with this corner. It looks like a wrong note, but that would explain one crash, not 3!

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[PLuto]

I can't figure out what was the issue with this corner. It looks like a wrong note, but that would explain one crash, not 3!

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From my point of view - wrong pacenote for Kajto (there is also short discussion after crash between Kajto and Jarek). For Bostanci and Magalhaes, I think they have lost concentration a little bit when they saw Jarek showing OK sign.

[Jarek Z]

From my point of view - wrong pacenote for Kajto (there is also short discussion after crash between Kajto and Jarek).

Yes, but they are not discussing pacenotes. They are commenting how lucky they are, that they didn't roll the car.

[Jarek Z]

The car killer event continues to take its toll today...

Tsouloftas: double puncture, loses the second place - "Apparently there was a big stone on the road, we had two punctures. There was a big rock in the middle of the road, it was sharp and it was on the crest."
Kajetanowicz: damaged bottom of the car
Gryazin: brake issues
von Thurn und Taxis: technical issue - gearbox shifting with clutch
Denktaş Rauf: technical issues - power loss
Savva: puncture - front right wheel
Papasavvas: retired

[Jarek Z]

I can't figure out what was the issue with this corner. It looks like a wrong note, but that would explain one crash, not 3!


Maybe the comments from Bruno Magalhaes will explain it:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-leader-magalhaes-cyprus-crash-was-crazy/

[MAXYrally]

Maybe the comments from Bruno Magalhaes will explain it:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-leader-magalhaes-cyprus-crash-was-crazy/
Thanks, it makes a lot of sense. I crashed in similar circumstances a few years ago too, just looking at the guy with the OK sign rather than listening to my navigator.

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[Rallyper]

Here's what happened to Gryazin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI0G5iqgLKk

@Mirek You call this rallying?

[PLuto]

So, I was discussing the topic we were talking last night with drivers and codrivers (and engineers) here. Of course R5 cars are not so strong like S2000 or RRC, because lot of parts is from serial production. Cyprus Rally is more rough than Sardegna or Acropolis. Everybody talks that the biggest difficulty is to be able to read the road correctly. Type of gravel is changing very quickly and it is difficult to recognize if in next corner will be hard gravel with big stones or sand with big ruts. Also, road is changing not only after recce, but after run of each car. That is why local drivers or Nasser are so strong - they have experience and they know how to read the road - where you can push, where you must slow down, where you should go out of ruts. It is like cross country or Dakar - not so much about pacenotes, but about reading the road. Usual ERC drivers are used to use standard pacenotes and on gravel follow the lines of previous cars. But here in Cyprus you need to do it your way sometimes.

[dimviii]

@Mirek You call this rallying?

of course its rallying.

[Mirek]

That Gryazin's case looks like too low ride height for the conditions. Of course car with higher setup is less stable and somewhat slower but it has better survivability. Remember in the past IRC/ERC Škoda worksteam always run the highest possible setup on rough rallies and they kept winning them rather easily. Also Nasser used Fabia last year and he did not have issues like that.

[Mirek]

@Mirek You call this rallying?

Of course. As Dimviii already pointed out. There is nothing that special about such sandy surface. Rallies in middle east, in Africa or South America have often similar conditions and it's totally normal to run rallies there.

These events are good to remember the basic rule saying that to finish first you first have to finish.

[Rallyper]

of course its rallying.

Yeah, by name. But more like Paris-Dakar, like Pluto says. To me it doesn´t belong to ERC or WRC.

[dimviii]

Yeah, by name. But more like Paris-Dakar, like Pluto says. To me it doesn´t belong to ERC or WRC.

you can think whatever you want,but when for decades managed to finish N4 cars at this really hard surface rally,its most to driver and car preparation that some cant finish the rally.
As some said,Barum needs special suspension set-up,Monte you have to run a snow stage with dry slicks,Cyprus you need to have a different suspension setup,and different driver approach.
Rally basics rules I d say,nothing more or less.

[PLuto]

Yeah, by name. But more like Paris-Dakar, like Pluto says. To me it doesn´t belong to ERC or WRC.

I dont agree. Rallysport should be about variability, to be able to be fast on all types of surfaces. I dont like that WRC is so much about gravel, mostly about fast gravel. More variability is missing for me...

[PLuto]

Regarding the accident yesterday, I was talking to Murat and he told that his reason was same like Bruno - he lost concentration when he saw Jarek.

[PLuto]

Everybody is talking, that this rally is really rough and difficult, but it is real fun to drive in this conditions.

[Jarek Z]

There is nothing that special about such sandy surface. Rallies in middle east, in Africa or South America have often similar conditions and it's totally normal to run rallies there.

And that is why nobody wants to watch those rallies and (nearly) nobody wants to compete in them, isn't it?
Who finds rally cars diving in the sand exciting?

[Mirek]

And that is why nobody wants to watch those rallies and (nearly) nobody wants to compete in them, isn't it?

The main problem is weak local scene. ERC is a championship of which the whole quality depend strongly on local entries. That's why choosing locations which are very logistically difficult and need special preparation is wrong. WRC can afford that, ERC not. The crews naturally skip what suits them the least. Distant event for which they need different car is of course less attractive but in the past we saw that Cyprus can be a good event. The stages are not bad at all but putting it in todays ERC which is already full of distant events was simply a mistake from the promoter.

Moreover the promoter shall look at the the origin of ERC competitors and support the countries from which the locals want to take part in it. When had ERC/IRC any regular competitor from Greece or Cyprus? Then why to go there if the local scene is not interested and moreover is prety weak itself? Why not to prefer traditional rally countries where the sport has a massive public support and from where the drivers often abroad?

Again we can take Barum. I would say that for most of the foreigners it's not less specific event than Cyprus and the attrition is very high as well. But it's among the most popular rallies on European scene because it has good location and is supported by strong local rally scene including one manufacturer.

[Jarek Z]

Everybody is talking, that this rally is really rough and difficult, but it is real fun to drive in this conditions.

So you think Gryazin finds it funny? He didn't look very happy in the video.

[Mirek]

So you think Gryazin finds it funny? He didn't look very happy in the video.

He would not look any happier if five minutes a go he retired from Rally Estonia.

[aykutbilir]

That looked inches away from a tragedy. Was it one of the Turkish jumping out of the way as Bruno came rolling past?

Yes the codriver.

As i can see Bruno rolled on Murat's car.


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[hari]

And that is why nobody wants to watch those rallies ....
Better change into "I dont want to watch those rallies"

Rally Cyprus is one of the most sceneric events and also one of the most spectacular to watch. Be shocked, but I would prefer it to ANY other ERC round this year without a doubt from a spectator point of view. :)

Back from a great Goldenstage and hopefully next year we have again a Rally Cyprus in June.

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/cyprus3/2.jpg
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[Ucci]

Congrats to Al-Attiyah.
By the way-when was last time that somebody won rally with more than six minutes??

[Munkvy]

Video of crashes of Bostanci, Kajto and Magalhaes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohv6WD93L1g

Why is the co-driver on the wrong side of the road? I have always assumed that was one of the more common sense parts of co-driving, if possible, stand on the side of the road your car is off at, along with putting your triangle there, so the following cars know your car is on that side, and then wave people down, warn them to keep right, especially after 2 cars have fallen off, you know more may follow, so warn people. I hope whoever that is, he isn't a professional co-driver, as that seems a rather fundamental error.

As for people complaining about road conditions, well isn't that part of why rallying is better than every other motorsport? Because the road conditions change and it's man vs the environment, the whole thing is a challenge to get through and survive the conditions, while driving as a fast as possible...

[RS]

But I must say that I am not against this rough rallies. Because it is something different. And I think that rally should be about "compromises" - to be fast on all surfaces.

Agree, but maybe two events of this nature on an eight event calendar is too many?

The entry on Acropolis and Cyprus compared to other events was also worse because the JERC crews were not there (although I think that was the correct decision)

[PLuto]

Why is the co-driver on the wrong side of the road? I have always assumed that was one of the more common sense parts of co-driving, if possible, stand on the side of the road your car is off at, along with putting your triangle there, so the following cars know your car is on that side, and then wave people down, warn them to keep right, especially after 2 cars have fallen off, you know more may follow, so warn people. I hope whoever that is, he isn't a professional co-driver, as that seems a rather fundamental error.

It was very difficult place. Cliff was really deep, crews had problems to climb up. Jarek was climbing few minutes, first car which he catched on the road was Bostanci, starting 6 cars behind (with 3-mins gaps). Also, he cannot stand on left side as there was cliff so it was very dangerous to stay there.

[PLuto]

Better change into "I dont want to watch those rallies"

Rally Cyprus is one of the most sceneric events and also one of the most spectacular to watch. Be shocked, but I would prefer it to ANY other ERC round this year without a doubt from a spectator point of view. :)

Back from a great Goldenstage and hopefully next year we have again a Rally Cyprus in June.



I see that you were on the mickey-mouse part of SS 14. In that time I was waiting for crews in remote service after (to say the truth, in time of first cars on the road I was in the sea watching on horizont dust from rally cars). But I was on that place during recce and crews had big problems to find what is the correct way :)

[hari]

I see that you were on the mickey-mouse part of SS 14. In that time I was waiting for crews in remote service after (to say the truth, in time of first cars on the road I was in the sea watching on horizont dust from rally cars). But I was on that place during recce and crews had big problems to find what is the correct way :)

I was walking the stage some days prior and had no problem finding the right way, so they should find it with a roadbook :)

The mickey mouse part was more at the beginning. I was close to the sea caves.

[Antreas]

Enjoy it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9aq5_1kzCI&t=11s

[JUF]

I just realized that Edith Weiss took part in the rally (and even finished...). Does anybody know how that´s possible? Didn´t the FIA take away her license? And why there are any codrivers and teams who are still working with her :eek:?

[electroliquid]

I just realized that Edith Weiss took part in the rally (and even finished...). Does anybody know how that´s possible? Didn´t the FIA take away her license? And why there are any codrivers and teams who are still working with her :eek:?

What did she did to lose licence?

[Jarek Z]

Lotos Rally Team has published their summary video from Cyprus Rally. In this video you can see that the slope where Kajto, Magalhaes and Bostanci crashed, was actually quite high. I didn't notice that previously. It looks quite dangerous. You can also see that Magalhaes rolled over Bostanci's car.

Turn on English subtitles and enjoy the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKhupa_XOSU

[JUF]

What did she did to lose licence?
I´m a little bit surprised that no one knew as it has been a rather big story during Rally Portugal, but I´m happy to tell you at least the most important part about these crazy incidents ;). She arrived one day late, didn´t book any hotel or recce car (it was her task according to the co-driver), didn´t pay for the rented Peugeot 208 R2 (her co-driver had to advance money, because Weiss wasn´t able to pay) and skipped the Shakedown to drink beer in a restaurant instead. That´s annoying, but probably no reason to take away the license. BUT: At the start of SS1 she climbed out of the car, didn´t listen to any instructions and started to drink alcohol again. She went away without caring about the car and her co-driver. After one hour of waiting, her co-driver handed the start cart to the official, but Weiss never appeared again during the whole rally. Well, ok, obviously that´s no reason to lose your license (at least if she didn´t drive being drunk), but I´m more surprised that there are any co-drivers and teams who are still working with her. And if you ask yourself if this story is true, yes it is, it was confirmed by the team and the marshalls...

[Mirek]

That's pretty bizarre.

[Whinlatter]

A few of my photos from shakedown/qualifying and service park.

Flickr album here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/rob_lees/albums/72157685202151646)

Had actually planned a holiday in Cyprus without realising the rally was on! Flew home on the Saturday but managed to make the most of the unexpected mornings rallying on Friday.

[tolis]

A few of my photos from shakedown/qualifying and service park.

Flickr album here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/rob_lees/albums/72157685202151646)

Had actually planned a holiday in Cyprus without realising the rally was on! Flew home on the Saturday but managed to make the most of the unexpected mornings rallying on Friday.

We were on the same spot!

[Whinlatter]

We were on the same spot!
Ah yeah, there were two of you in GRally t-shirts. You have some great photos on your website. I was stood in the shade of the trees in an old WRC Cyprus top and McRae cap.