Tour De Course 2017

[Eli]

Ogier with lots of problems...

power was it? no anti-lag? no diff, yeah, huge amount and still 19 points at he rally and he even extends his championship lead by 2 points from Latvala. Not bad for the 4 time champ.

[Lead]

Comon Sordo!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo wtf !

[EstWRC]

lol, thanks Ogier...Tänak stays ahead of Sordo in overall standings.

[Eli]

god damn him!!!!!!!

[Lead]

Sordo was driving like he wasnt in podium place... That was 2nd place. Jesus...

[EightGear]

Wasn't expecting Sordo to hold on to 2nd anyway but still it's a bit weak.

[mknight]

power was it? no anti-lag? no diff, yeah, huge amount and still 19 points at he rally and he even extends his championship lead by 2 points from Latvala. Not bad for the 4 time champ.

And this is why he is WC. Problems here and there and look at the total points.

[Eli]

Sordo was driving like he wasnt in podium place... That was 2nd place. Jesus...

does he not care for the manu. champ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

get used to it Ogier, it will be all year long so.

He will still make the best of the car and get them to sort it

[Simmi]

Don't think there was much wrong at all with Ogier's car on that stage. He's been quicker than Dani all rally so it's logical - like Dani said. Don't think Sordo threw anything away there. That's his level.

[itix]

Congratulations Neuville! Well deserved!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bad luck repaid for Neuville here thanks to Meeke & Ogier's big car problems.

Good job by him though, no mistakes.

[mknight]

Neuville 26 points
Ogier 22 points

[GigiGalliNo1]

4 Rounds 4 Different cars! What a season!!

[Eli]

Bad luck repaid for Neuville here thanks to Meeke & Ogier's big car problems.

Good job by him though, no mistakes.

at least he didn't bin it:)

[Lead]

does he not care for the manu. champ?
He had 2.0sec advantage on struggling Ogier. Its the last stage of the rally, 2nd place at stake. It seemed to me he had already gave up his place at the start of the stage. Just wanted to see more fighting spirit from him.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great points by Ogier considering... 2nd o/a and 2nd on PS. Good job as team-mates nowhere.

[Sulland]

Incredible drive from Latvala!

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also from Ogier with a sick Fiesta, getting 2nd both on stage and total!!

[GravelBen]

also from Ogier with a sick Fiesta, getting 2nd both on stage and total!!

His car looked fine on that stage, it was the stage before with problems.

[EstWRC]

Great points by Ogier considering... 2nd o/a and 2nd on PS. Good job as team-mates nowhere.

nowhere because of the car, yes Tänak went out friday but he also lost a lot of time yesterday because of the car problems...

[Lord_Shaitan]

4 Rounds 4 Different cars! What a season!!

And Hyundai won in Corsica, where it was the least competitive from all 4 rounds. What an irony...

[Eli]

He had 2.0sec advantage on struggling Ogier. Its the last stage of the rally, 2nd place at stake. It seemed to me he had already gave up his place at the start of the stage. Just wanted to see more fighting spirit from him.

same here...disappointed from Sordo, but as you guys said this weekend, he won't get any better.

[sonnybobiche]

Again WRC+ doesn't upload the interesting onboards (Meeke SS6 where his engine blows). No explanation given.

The promises they made before the start of the season about uploading all onboards from every stage are basically out the window. Can't even find reference to them on the site. They keep this up and they're going to get sued.

[N.O.T]

Worthless rally. Good job by neuville.

[Eli]

Worthless rally. Good job by neuville.

any guesses for Argentina perhaps?

[dimviii]

Worthless rally. Good job by neuville.

what about Meeke?

[N.O.T]

what about Meeke?
I do not bother with that Arab team of nobodies.

[mknight]

Fun fact #3:
Out of 6 stages driven at speed, only once wasn't Lefebvre the last WRC car. It happened on SS9 where he was in front of Evans.

[dimviii]

I do not bother with that Arab team of nobodies.

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Meeke is not an Arab.

[Mintexmemory]

Meeke is not an Arab.

The man from Din un Garnon

[KKS]

Breen have fighting spirit but, get luck of speed. But Sordo! Being only 2.5sec and driving like a girl to a market!? Agrhhhh. Where fighting spirit? Where cuting? pushing? Looks like here don't care about place he was be.

And big congratz to Nueville! Finally deserved win!

[MTA]

4 Rounds 4 Different cars! What a season!!
Does anyone know the last time that happend?

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[dimviii]

Does anyone know the last time that happend?

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1986

[BigWorm]

Wasn't expecting Sordo to hold on to 2nd anyway but still it's a bit weak.

Considering he's an tarmac specialist you'd expect him to be able to capitalise on Ogier's problems. Wasn't at one with his car apparently, or has he been struck by the Hirvonen cause (just getting slower for each year)?

[Co-FIN]

WOW another blistering performance by toyota, they are a very good team after all and i feel the need to apologahahhahahahaahhhhahahhhaahahhahahahahahahaha hahahahahaahahahahha

So JM was 4th o/a and won the PS. How is it possible to win PS with car made in barn with village idiots / dogs?

Hahhhshshhah. You're the biggest dog of all times


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[N.O.T]

So JM was 4th o/a and won the PS. How is it possible to win PS with car made in barn with village idiots / dogs?

Hahhhshshhah. You're the biggest dog of all times


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because the others were cruising and they did not risk anything. Even the mini has won a PS.

[Co-FIN]

because the others were cruising and they did not risk anything.

Love it when you always find out an answer but deny the facts. But prolly its good for your mentality.


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[N.O.T]

Love it when you always find out an answer but deny the facts. But prolly its good for your mentality.


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The minis have won a PS as well.... was mini a good car ?

[Co-FIN]

The minis have won a PS as well.... was mini a good car ?

Toyota scored in top 3 at SS times in 5 stages of 10. With poor car that is really not possible and if we consider your opinion also about shitty drivers they have this really shouldnt be possible. For real if we compare the amount time that teams had to make the '17 cars Toyota should be a lot slower. But they really made a good job. I'm happy for them and for the sport. My guess is that they will sign Mikkelsen for next year..


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[mknight]

Overall event performance

Good:
Neuville - push on saturday morning was epic, no visible mistakes (only one "almost spin" loosing 2-3 secs), though impossible to say if he would have defended against Ogier on saturday afternoon
Breen - really great, even without considering the huge difference in experience vs Latvala and Sordo
Citroen - I would say this was first time they have shown consistent good performance this season
Toyota - imo, a bit of a surprise with relatively good times (considering the drivers)


Neutral:
Meeke - fast on friday but he was fast also last year with DS3 (between the crashes), loosing time on saturday so not sure he would have held it all the way tbh.
Ogier - turning into a bit of Latvala with the constant setup changes and inconsistencies, strange since he had long test before. Shown speed on saturday afternoon. Very good points for WC though.
Tanak - kind of standard pace on tarmac even without the problems.
Latvala - obviously difficult to judge with Toyota, but rest was pretty much the normal "confidence-no confidence-confindence-no confidence"
Sordo - the usual, " safely" 3-4 on tarmac
Hyundai - surprisingly they weren't clearly the fastest car like the previous rallies, specially strange since slower and twisty sections seemed to suit them before


Bad:
Ford reliability - again/still problems with one of the cars every other stage
Lefevbre - plenty comments on him already, home rally, 3rd in C3 still constantly slowest and crashing, needs more time in R5 or DS3?
Hanninen - also plenty of comments, two crashes (last one cost 2 manu points when nothing was at stake), back to where he was last time in WRC as well as whole this season. Some fast stages and crashes all the time.
Evans - this is the rally he made the best results so far in his career, and there was not a single time that gave some hope, even with the unknown tire factor it's imo quite a disappointment.
Paddon - New co-driver and all that, but still clearly outclassed by Breen after 2.5 season in WRC. So far real disappointment this season. (yes, Monte can have something to do with it)

[Rallyper]

Paddon still had John in this rally.

[USER47]

...Paddon - New co-driver and all that, but still clearly outclassed by Breen after 2.5 season in WRC...
Paddon didn't have the new co-driver yet in Corsica.

edit: late

[Doon]

The minis have won a PS as well.... was mini a good car ?

That is a poor example, if my memory serves me well the Mini won a powerstage because of favorable conditions (it rained for the following top cars).

Also, numerous sources claimed the Mini had one of the best chassis out there.

[Simmi]

JWRC watch. Solans wins. Folb lost second to Ciamin on the final stage - dropping almost 4mins with a transmission issue. But due to general JWRC carnage and massive gaps he was able to hang on to third.

[wia5958]

Overall event performance

Neutral:
Meeke - fast on friday but he was fast also last year with DS3 (between the crashes), loosing time on saturday so not sure he would have held it all the way it)

Lost time on saturday? He extended his lead over ogier on first stage on sat morn and his engine let go a mile or so before end of the second stage on sat morning and even then he only lost 15 seconds or so on that stage with the engine kicking it

[mknight]

Lost to Neuville who was the eventual rally winner. Was even behind Hanninen of all people. Sure Ogier had bad stage, but remember that there are no splits in car now. So not like he was controlling anything.

[wia5958]

He lost 8 seconds to a man that was nearly 30 seconds behind him at the start of that stage was hardly a dramatic loss of time was it

[steve.mandzij]

because the others were cruising and they did not risk anything. Even the mini has won a PS.
Typical N.O.T answer: they won by default because nobody else tried.

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[EstWRC]

That mknight resume is funny as hell

[BigWorm]

Overall event performance

Good:
Neuville - push on saturday morning was epic, no visible mistakes (only one "almost spin" loosing 2-3 secs), though impossible to say if he would have defended against Ogier on saturday afternoon
Breen - really great, even without considering the huge difference in experience vs Latvala and Sordo
Citroen - I would say this was first time they have shown consistent good performance this season
Toyota - imo, a bit of a surprise with relatively good times (considering the drivers)


Neutral:
Meeke - fast on friday but he was fast also last year with DS3 (between the crashes), loosing time on saturday so not sure he would have held it all the way tbh.
Ogier - turning into a bit of Latvala with the constant setup changes and inconsistencies, strange since he had long test before. Shown speed on saturday afternoon. Very good points for WC though.
Tanak - kind of standard pace on tarmac even without the problems.
Latvala - obviously difficult to judge with Toyota, but rest was pretty much the normal "confidence-no confidence-confindence-no confidence"
Sordo - the usual, " safely" 3-4 on tarmac
Hyundai - surprisingly they weren't clearly the fastest car like the previous rallies, specially strange since slower and twisty sections seemed to suit them before


Bad:
Ford reliability - again/still problems with one of the cars every other stage
Lefevbre - plenty comments on him already, home rally, 3rd in C3 still constantly slowest and crashing, needs more time in R5 or DS3?
Hanninen - also plenty of comments, two crashes (last one cost 2 manu points when nothing was at stake), back to where he was last time in WRC as well as whole this season. Some fast stages and crashes all the time.
Evans - this is the rally he made the best results so far in his career, and there was not a single time that gave some hope, even with the unknown tire factor it's imo quite a disappointment.
Paddon - New co-driver and all that, but still clearly outclassed by Breen after 2.5 season in WRC. So far real disappointment this season. (yes, Monte can have something to do with it)

I'd skip the neutral section and move all of them except Sordo to the good.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

nowhere because of the car, yes Tänak went out friday but he also lost a lot of time yesterday because of the car problems...

Dont make excuses, Tanak lost all chance of points with his crash.

[A FONDO]

Corsica WRC 2017 - SS6 - Ogier - incar cam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHUT6Ov0_aM

Corsica WRC 2017 - SS5 - Latvala incar cam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVZycpXdzfg

[car]

It's something I find interesting about the modern generation. They've got to the point now where they research and review the stages so much that they can remember them almost corner for corner.

That's something Paddon said in a talk before Finland last year. We see Latvala do it all the time on TV too. I guess having such limited stage miles compared to years passed allows the drivers to do that. It's the reason why Breen only lost 11 seconds yesterday doing the entire stage without an intercom. He said he pretty much knew it anyway.

It's a big reason why experience in the WRC is so valuable. So not only do you have notes but you also remember the stages.

Good point and well made, especially the bit about Breen...
It kind of takes a lot of the 'real' element of rallying away.
I'm sure I'm with many who would prefer a more mixed bag of stages at each event to mix it up a bit.

[Rally Power]

Breen have fighting spirit but, get luck of speed. But Sordo! Being only 2.5sec and driving like a girl to a market!? Agrhhhh. Where fighting spirit? Where cuting? pushing? Looks like here don't care about place he was be.

Don't be unfair. Didn't you hear Sordo after SS8 saying that he's pushing like hell but times don't come out? These new cars are more demanding to tune and drive and if drivers don't feel at ease with their setup they simply can't be fast. That's precisely what happened to Neuville on first day an Ogier yesterday morning. Also it would be stupid to risk a podium just to be ahead of Ogier and overall Sordo still managed to be the best placed 2nd driver.

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Neuville/Gilsoul and Hyundai team. Corsica was a interesting event ant it showed how competitive and matched '17 WRC top field is. Mikkelsen MUST have a '17 car soon, otherwise WRC2 is boring like hell...still nice show from Sarrazin and FFSA backed Rossell in a DS3. He was on his second drive of a 4wd car and managed to be among top 5 all event long. We'll certainly hear more of him on the future! Dumas easily won RGT and Astier (yep, the same that surprised everybody in MC) won again WRC3, over 1m ahead Solans, best JWRC.

[KKS]

Corsica WRC 2017 - SS6 - Ogier - incar cam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHUT6Ov0_aM

Corsica WRC 2017 - SS5 - Latvala incar cam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVZycpXdzfg
Pretty sure links was banned very soon.

[Rally Power]

Teemu / Rallirinki‏*@HartusvuoriWRC
#TourdeCorse SS9 Antisanti-Poggio di Nazza (53,78 km) ran in exactly same way in 2016 and 2017.
2016 - Meeke 33.11.6
2017 - Neuville 32.34,6

SS9 can't be compared because last year it was wet. SS2, SS4 and Power Stage had similar conditions and ’17 cars were faster between .6 (.59 Meeke on both first day stages) and almost .7 (.67 Latvala today at PS) per km than ’16 cars. Honestly I was expecting them to be over 1s/km by know, but somehow it’s positive that they aren’t so fast. Btw, today time clearly shows that Latvala was really flying!

[mknight]

The avg. speed on the stages isn't that high. Mechanical grip>aero.

[EightGear]

Interesting rally, at least until yesterday when Meeke blew up his engine and Ogier hit trouble. It was shaping up to be a big 3 way fight but Neuville could quite easily grab the win after the trouble for the others. I'm glad Neuville won though, good stuff.

For the championship to become really interesting we will need 1 or 2 Ogier DNFs though otherwise he will walk it easily by being consistent.

On towards Argentina, where Meeke appears to be the favorite already because of his starting position.

Oh and Lefebvre really is quite useless.

[KKS]

Don't be unfair. Didn't you hear Sordo after SS8 saying that he's pushing like hell but times don't come out? These new cars are more demanding to tune and drive and if drivers don't feel at ease with their setup they simply can't be fast. That's precisely what happened to Neuville on first day an Ogier yesterday morning. Also it would be stupid to risk a podium just to be ahead of Ogier and overall Sordo still managed to be the best placed 2nd driver.
It's a standard marketing talking. What do you expect to hear? If he told truth: "Yes, I do it slow, cuz now I'm a bit old for this fast stuff" - he not be a wrc driver anymore.
From TV screen I see that Latvala push, and Sordo just cruising to the end. But maybe you are right, maybe it something that called experience. When he knew that he can't hold-on a place, and he take a safe way.I frustrated a bit because we see good battle for 4th pos, and no battle at all for 2nd.

[A FONDO]

I am happy with the rally, so many people pretended for the podium places, we had no idea what's going to happen until the very end. And it seems to be similar in Argentina.

[Rally Power]

It's a standard marketing talking. What do you expect to hear? If he told truth: "Yes, I do it slow, cuz now I'm a bit old for this fast stuff" - he not be a wrc driver anymore.
From TV screen I see that Latvala push, and Sordo just cruising to the end. But maybe you are right, maybe it something that called experience. When he knew that he can't hold-on a place, and he take a safe way.I frustrated a bit because we see good battle for 4th pos, and no battle at all for 2nd.

Yep, he was 'slow' but somehow he still managed to fairly beat Latvala, Breen and Paddon overall...it's not an age issue mate, new cars simply demands harder work to get a perfect setup, vital to have max confidence. Eventually Sordo, and some others that still could be underperforming, will get it, sooner or later.

[stefanvv]

Yep, he was 'slow' but somehow he still managed to fairly beat Latvala, Breen and Paddon overall...it's not an age issue mate, new cars simply demands harder work to get a perfect setup, vital to have max confidence. Eventually Sordo, and some others that still could be underperforming, will get it, sooner or later.

You're absolutely right, in fact there was only 1 driver (in let's say top 6) feeling comfortable with his car setup all rally long, but his engine blew up. '17 tech rules are very demanding on tarmac as it seems.

[dimviii]

lol
https://www.facebook.com/therese.taddei/posts/1342925722431874

[A FONDO]

DRIVERS’ CHAMPIONSHIP STANDINGS

1. Sébastien Ogier - 88
2. Jari-Matti Latvala - 75
3. Thierry Neuville - 54
4. Ott Tänak - 48
5. Dani Sordo - 47
6. Craig Breen - 33
7. Kris Meeke - 27
8. Hayden Paddon - 25
9. Elfyn Evans - 20
10. Andreas Mikkelsen - 12



MANUFACTURERS’ CHAMPIONSHIP STANDINGS

1. M-Sport World Rally Team - 129
2. Hyundai Motorsport - 105
3. Toyota Gazoo Racing WRC - 79
4. Citroen Total Abu Dhabi World Rally Team - 71




lol
https://www.facebook.com/therese.taddei/posts/1342925722431874

:laugh:

[dimviii]

After a weekend without errors again, Dani Sordo and Marc Martí get their first podium of the year in Corsica, with a great result also for the Hyundai Motorsport team that gets for the fifth time in its history to place two of its cars among the Three top finishers in a WRC event.
Sordo thus obtained his podium number forty-one in the World Rally Championship, and the fourth in the Corsican race, adding new points in the Championship as in the first three races in Monte-Carlo, Sweden and Mexico .
After a weekend in which Dani was coupled as the kilometers timed to the pilot of the new Hyundai i20 Coupé WRC, his objective today was to preserve the podium position he occupied at the end of the second stage, marking the second best Time in the section that started the day to only a tenth of a second of the best time in the special, Antisanti-Poggio di Nazza (53.78 kilometers), and the fourth in the Power Stage (Porto Vecchio-Palombaggia), which Brought him two extra points in the Championship standings: "The goal today was the podium, and we have achieved it. It was difficult to find good feeling during the weekend with the car and sometimes we did not understand our times, although the changes in differentials and suspensions facing the day yesterday were good and we were able to roll more comfortable, which allowed us to score three Second best times in the stages. It is a great result for us and for the team and now we must continue this way in the next ground tests, "said the Spanish driver of Hyundai Motorsport at the conclusion of the last special of the test.

http://www.danielsordo.com/noticias/2017/04/primer-podio-de-la-temporada-para-dani-sordo-en-corcega/

[dimviii]

Michelin video

https://youtu.be/32nP-ZfUInY

[dimviii]

and Astier (yep, the same that surprised everybody in MC) won again WRC3, over 1m ahead Solans, best JWRC.

we have to mention that Astier was on Michelins.

[KKS]

Yep, he was 'slow' but somehow he still managed to fairly beat Latvala, Breen and Paddon overall...it's not an age issue mate, new cars simply demands harder work to get a perfect setup,
Slow consistent drive.
He have a comfortable setup, but he didn't have a speed. Same as Neuville have, but Neuville was consider about speed and try to improve it. Instead of Sordo just running as it runs. It not a fight spirit, and I didn't like it. Otherwise I'm a Sordo fan and I wish him the best

[steve.mandzij]

DRIVERS’ CHAMPIONSHIP STANDINGS

1. Sébastien Ogier - 88
2. Jari-Matti Latvala - 75
3. Thierry Neuville - 54
4. Ott Tänak - 48
5. Dani Sordo - 47
6. Craig Breen - 33
7. Kris Meeke - 27
8. Hayden Paddon - 25
9. Elfyn Evans - 20
10. Andreas Mikkelsen - 12



MANUFACTURERS’ CHAMPIONSHIP STANDINGS

1. M-Sport World Rally Team - 129
2. Hyundai Motorsport - 105
3. Toyota Gazoo Racing WRC - 79
4. Citroen Total Abu Dhabi World Rally Team - 71





:laugh:
Time for my unlikely predictions!

If Latvala manages to win in Argentina and Ogier ends up fourth he'll lead the championship again, sans powerstage points. Alternatively, Latvala could just place higher than Ogier, stay second, and leave a small gap of, at most, eight points, to force Ogier to sweep the roads in Portugal.

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[Simmi]

Time for my unlikely predictions!

If Latvala manages to win in Argentina and Ogier ends up fourth he'll lead the championship again, sans powerstage points. Alternatively, Latvala could just place higher than Ogier, stay second, and leave a small gap of, at most, eight points, to force Ogier to sweep the roads in Portugal.

It could rain in Portugal! I don't think any guys are leaving points on the table this season.

[stefanvv]

It could rain in Portugal! I don't think any guys are leaving points on the table this season.

Fair enough, likely nobody wants to lose points in this close championship.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Four different manufacturers in four rallies..

I love that..

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[jparker]

Are you going to be like this every rally?

"Wow, Toyota set a decent time, stop the presses!"

Satukata, don't listen to him, and just keep going. I know few here that are a lot worst than you about some other car.

[steve.mandzij]

Satukata, don't listen to him, and just keep going. I know few here that are a lot worst than you about some other car.
I'd say that as long as NOT calls Toyota village idiots regardless of their great performance what Satukata does is just fine.

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[EstWRC]

here we go again....

[Thousandlakes]

Actually it makes quite diffucult to compare cars to last year in asphalt cause they changed totally tire compound this year. Compound is much harder and dont give grip like 2016


QUOTE=Rally Power;1133644]SS9 can't be compared because last year it was wet. SS2, SS4 and Power Stage had similar conditions and ’17 cars were faster between .6 (.59 Meeke on both first day stages) and almost .7 (.67 Latvala today at PS) per km than ’16 cars. Honestly I was expecting them to be over 1s/km by know, but somehow it’s positive that they aren’t so fast. Btw, today time clearly shows that Latvala was really flying![/QUOTE]

[AL14]

In all this, Latvala has had his most consistent start of the year from the beginning of his career.
4 rallys without mistakes. Pretty impressive from him. And also Yaris, with the exception of the brakes in Mexico has been reliable from the beginning. The same can't be said for Fiestas and Citroens.

This championship is very difficult to read and understand. You see drivers keeping 20 seconds in a stage and winning the next, cars performing bad in the morning and being the best in the evening. It's not easy to comes to solid conclusions. I like it.

[jparker]

here we go again....

you are lucky I was away following the rally on mobile data, and run out of it. Now bashing Ford is not fun.

[mknight]

And also Yaris, with the exception of the brakes in Mexico has been reliable from the beginning. The same can't be said for Fiestas and Citroens.


There have been issues with all cars. Fiesta "small" issues all the time. Hyundai the big problem in Mexico with all cars. Toyota the brakes you mentioned that cost them any chance of top 5. Citroen blown engine....

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8_xeMOXcAAvSLh.jpg

[AL14]

There have been issues with all cars. Fiesta "small" issues all the time. Hyundai the big problem in Mexico with all cars. Toyota the brakes you mentioned that cost them any chance of top 5. Citroen blown engine....

one thing is to warm too much brakes in a very particular and unique situation, the other is to have all the time different sorts of "little" issues.

[seb_sh]

Interesting rally, not so much direct fighting but many turnarounds. The Citroens looked fast, Hyundai too once they got their setup right, Ford disappointing with the reliability.

I think this won't be a "normal" season. There is no "the season starts in Mexico/Argentina/Portugal", this season started in Monte Carlo and any points in the bag count more than potential to perform on the "regular" rallies. You can't rely on that because the cars are more sensitive to setup, more unreliable the drivers are still getting used to them so in reality things will be a lot less predictable. Speaking of drivers, Ogier is out of his comfort zone, Neuville is inconsistent and Meeke has a rocket under him as long as he can keep it on the road but the shocker is Latvala decided to have his most consistent start ever! Also I wouldn't be surprised if Tanak, Paddon or Breen got a win or more.

It's been a long while since 4 manufacturers have won in the same season, nevermind first 4 events, so yeah we can pretty much throw out the predictions and enjoy the ride, this one could be a classic!

[mknight]

Well Ford is leading both championships. So the "little" issues don't have that much impact after all. Not like blowing engine from first place and missing both win and rally2.

[stefanvv]

"the season starts in Mexico/Argentina/Portugal"

:D

I couldn't hold myself laughing at this.

[AL14]

Well Ford is leading both championships. So the "little" issues don't have that much impact after all. Not like blowing engine from first place and missing both win and rally2.

nobody said M-Sport is worse, just that some dynamics are difficult to understand. And yes, reliability wise it is fair to say that Fiestas had more issues than Toyotas.

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8_xeMOXcAAvSLh.jpg

LOL!

Car that selling from 2012 have 5 years wrong homologation form and only now they see it
I can't stop laughing©

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/R8Dg-rceomY

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/9LZjZNhNGoY

[dimviii]

launch control all 2017 wrc cars
https://youtu.be/a5SjKyP3Wk0

[dimviii]

But Neuville trailed Kris Meeke’s Citroën C3 and Ogier’s Ford Fiesta during the opening leg as he struggled with the i20’s set-up and Nandan admitted more work is needed to improve the i20’s performance.
“I think it needs to be a little bit better, I think we are a bit behind,” he said. “The Citroën has shown it’s a fantastic car on Tarmac and for sure we have to work on that, especially for the next Tarmac events. But I’m quite sure the engineers will find a good solution to improve the car.”

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/april-2017/nandan-corsica/page/4451--12-12-.html

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/TCCuQPDlVMY

[dimviii]

Ogier
It was definitely a roller coaster weekend. Up and down all the time. Luckily for us it finished on the high with really good points, better than I was hoping for. This morning was starting not so good, well for the first half of the long stage everything was fine. Obviously we had no chance to catch Thierry any more so we were just driving at a good pace but nothing extra. Suddenly mid-stage the car started to lose the boost and then it was a bit difficult, but mid stage it was still pretty fast with wide roads so I didn’t lose too much I think. But then when I took the narrow roads and found some hairpins I realised that this electronic problem we had was not only the boost, but also the central diff was locked and that means we had no handbrake for the hairpins so we struggled quite a lot. At the end of the stage we were behind Dani, but I was not really confident that it would work again for the last stage. The only thing we could do in this moment was change one of the ECU’s we had in the car, but the team was not really confident that would solve the problem. When we were resetting the car it was working a little bit but we never knew for how long. Luckily it worked for this last 10 kilometre Power Stage.

http://www.fia.com/news/wrc-tneuville-its-amazing-feeling

[DonJippo]

launch control all 2017 wrc cars
https://youtu.be/a5SjKyP3Wk0

Latvala and Sordo moving before clock is down to 0?

[dimviii]

After an idyllic first day in Corsica, Kris Meeke led the insular test at the wheel of a Citroën C3 WRC which demonstrated all its potential on asphalt in the hands of the Briton.
If the chance had smiled in Meeke in Mexico with a road trip inconsequential in the last hectometers of the Power Stage before winning, success was not the rendezvous in Corsica, with a engine failure after the ES6.
"Before his retirement, Kris Meeke evolved in complete serenity, recalls Yves Matton, director of Citroen Racing. His confidence in the car was such that he dominated his subject. Obviously, the black spot is his abandonment because of a motor problem.
We know this was caused by a leak in the oil lubrication circuit. But we will have to wait until we have completely disassembled the car to determine the first cause of this concern. "
A comfortable car on all terrains
Despite this setback, Kris Meeke believes that Citroën Racing's work on the development of the C3 WRC is in the right direction, as demonstrated by recent performances in Mexico and last weekend in Corsica.
"It's obviously not the issue I was looking for, but it's part of the game," said the Briton. For a car to go as fast as possible, dozens of people who work on thousands of parts ... and sometimes this does not work as expected.
In any case, I leave this weekend with a huge confidence for the future. It was really special to lead this rally, which I consider the most difficult on asphalt. We know that our C3 WRC can win on all terrains and that's what we will try to do in Argentina, then in Portugal and everywhere else. "
http://www.autohebdo.fr/wrc/actualites/la-citroen-de-meeke-victime-d-une-fuite-du-circuit-de-lubrification-d-huile-184700.html

[SubaruNorway]

Latvala and Sordo moving before clock is down to 0?

Just nailed it perfect, the gap in WRX to the line is 10-12 cm in WRX at least. That could have been the 0.1 he got on Breen. You can easily loose 10 sec during a rally by being too slow on the lights, try setting a WR on Dirt Rally and you'Il figure out how important it is :p

[dimviii]

Sordo at power stage.Doesntseem that he didn't pushed.
https://youtu.be/BRkcx8gTluU

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/MTEfE960PAE

[stefanvv]

Sordo at power stage.Doesntseem that he didn't pushed.

It didn't on the live broadcast as well. His problem was as the whole rally was - not perfect setup car for him.

[mknight]

None of the Hyundais did well on PS. They don't seem to be that good on fast open tarmac compared with others.

[dimviii]

likethe backview of Hyundai

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9Ey0ZeXYAUjEG6.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9EznM2XkAQZdXS.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9E0-IRXUAAFujb.jpg

[COD]

Latvala and Sordo moving before clock is down to 0?

The device detecting false start is a bit further from the startline. So ypu can jump a bit without getting a false start. You can gain a dew tenths there

[A FONDO]

:laugh:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9EznM2XkAQZdXS.jpg





Want to see that cow when Dumas approached ;)

[Allar]

Rossel was really good with ds3 r5, never heard of him before, checked out is previous results and looks like a really fast and talented guy. Maybe the next Ogier/Loeb?

[Simmi]

Rossel was really good with ds3 r5, never heard of him before, checked out is previous results and looks like a really fast and talented guy. Maybe the next Ogier/Loeb?

The FFSA seem to think so. He's definitely got the backing.

[bluuford]

Sordo at power stage.Doesntseem that he didn't pushed.
https://youtu.be/BRkcx8gTluU
This was pure mindgame by champion. Last comments and things from Ogier were that he has problems with car, so, Sordo was not expecting him to catch up. Actually, Ogiers car worked basically 100% on that last stage and if you look at Sordos face at the finishline then you realize that he was surprised!


And one more thing, if you look Hyundai perfomance, then they were very OK early in the morning, and they were nowhere when temperature raised.
Morning run in SS5 asfalt temp was as low as +9 degrees and maximum less than +20 and in the afternoon, the same stage over +30 degrees and reaching +40 in some locations, while in some location, it was still around +15, so, big contrasts ;) Novella 2 was different, we do not have benchmark as Ogier had problems here and if you look at Neuville on that last stage, he was 110 % all the time and he had several lucky moments in this short stage. I must say that Novella stage is getting worse and worse each year, it is almost like full gravel already! Look at the dust cloud behind the cars!

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.org/osfxhuy9z/ugska.jpg

[JAM]

Sebastien Ogier on the FIA press conference made some complaints.

Basicly, he complained for:
- Having the most reliable of all Fiesta WRC 2017;
- Had lose 50 secs with two problems in a rally, when usually a problem in the 2017 Fiesta made the divers lose minutes;
- Being one of the drivers that more times runned out of the road this year without any damage on the car.

[A FONDO]

This was pure mindgame by champion. Last comments and things from Ogier were that he has problems with car, so, Sordo was not expecting him to catch up. Actually, Ogiers car worked basically 100% on that last stage and if you look at Sordos face at the finishline then you realize that he was surprised!
No mindgames, it simply was an intermittable problem. Find and read Ogier's quotes dimvii posted back.



And one more thing, if you look Hyundai perfomance, then they were very OK early in the morning, and they were nowhere when temperature raised.

I am a nice guy and will give you some knowledge for free. When somebody picks something up he raises it. When something just goes up like the sun ot the temperature it rises.

[Simmi]

No mindgames, it simply was an intermittable problem. Find and read Ogier's quotes dimvii posted back.

Go on then I'll give you some knowledge for free too. That isn't a word.

[A FONDO]

Thank you, step by step we are all improving :) intermittent it is indeed. Random appearance and nobody with a clue how to fix it.


one more guy with onboards https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC__5vGnilDOaizdHG7uix5A/videos

[bluuford]

No mindgames, it simply was an intermittable problem. Find and read Ogier's quotes dimvii posted back.

I am a nice guy and will give you some knowledge for free. When somebody picks something up he raises it. When something just goes up like the sun ot the temperature it rises.

Thank you, early morning is not my time :P I know it but I just do not notice what I write :)
Regarding this electric problem, it was fixed before the stage with the hope that it will not reappear as it was very smooth stage. At the finish line, Sordo did not look like he expected Seb to be as fast as he was :) So, basically, Hyundai lost 3 points and M-sport won 3 points on that stage, so in total, it means 6 points diffenece :)

[OldF]

Sorry, wrong thread. Correct thread is "WRC 2017 Mechanical Issues and Failures (http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?37216-WRC-2017-Mechanical-Issues-and-Failures)"

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17634375_1144821915626776_3586662759112165684_n.jp g?oh=f59782f397df97114763449a8c1d7171&oe=59862C07
http://www.largus.fr/images/images/abart-124-spider-rally-tour-de-crose-2017-45.jpg?width=940&qtype=mixing&quality=90

[steve.mandzij]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17634375_1144821915626776_3586662759112165684_n.jp g?oh=f59782f397df97114763449a8c1d7171&oe=59862C07
http://www.largus.fr/images/images/abart-124-spider-rally-tour-de-crose-2017-45.jpg?width=940&qtype=mixing&quality=90
Is there any video of Hänninen's crash?

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[sete]

Hi you can see my photo gallery here
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1521

[swanny]

Image 30 - 'Organisers find source of crowd control issues'

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Thank you, step by step we are all improving :) intermittent it is indeed. Random appearance and nobody with a clue how to fix it.


one more guy with onboards https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC__5vGnilDOaizdHG7uix5A/videos
There's no onboards..

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[A FONDO]

Sh* they disappeared. But here they still remain https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoDjCGDAJJbTCRA32L1C7lg/videos

[Hartusvuori]

Sh* they disappeared. But here they still remain https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoDjCGDAJJbTCRA32L1C7lg/videos

Please, don't link rip off account links here.

[A FONDO]

Would you tell me who is the reliable original?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Sh* they disappeared. But here they still remain https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoDjCGDAJJbTCRA32L1C7lg/videos
And it's gone..(probably being switched to private) :p

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[A FONDO]

A clip with fantastic sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG93hQw7Em0

[Fast Eddie WRC]

'Fun fact'
Leg 1 of the TDC in 1983 was longer than the whole 2017 event.

[stefanvv]

'Fun fact'
Leg 1 of the TDC in 1983 was longer than the whole 2017 event.

But the cars those days were more fragile. Its funny.

[Mirek]

But the cars those days were more fragile. Its funny.

There used to be a service after every stage, maybe You forgot.

[stefanvv]

There used to be a service after every stage, maybe You forgot.

I don't know. What kind of service? Could they change blown engine? Gearbox?

[tommeke_B]

I don't know. What kind of service? Could they change blown engine? Gearbox?

Blown engine no. Gearbox yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol_ieWX8SxE
In those days there were almost no rules regarding service. Smaller teams had one van and service every few stages, bigger teams had more vans and service after every single stage. In group B days some teams even used helicopters to transport mechanics and spare parts quickly. It's only in the '90s that the format of rallies changed to having a service park. The countless service vans were too dangerous for the traffic, as they were often doing a "rally" of their own, trying to service the rallycar as much as possible.

[Mirek]

Exactly also the growing density of road traffic gradually complicated the servicing through the years.