74th PZM Rally Poland

[CoyoteVillagra]

Amazing!!

[EstWRC]

Neuville +2.9 in split...Tänak said no risks and perfect stage for him

[6789]

Amazing drive from Ott. Cool as a cucumber at the stage end too.

[CoyoteVillagra]

Karlip ‏ @Karlip
Confirmed that @MSportLtd has fixed the gas pedal to the floor. #WRC #RallyPoland @OttTanak :D

[er88]

Neuville needs for decide after this stage whether to accept 2nd or possibly risk his championship. Tanak is absolutely flying

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[EstWRC]

Neuville +4.9 slower in the end

[KKS]

Tanak into a lead

[EstWRC]

minor damage for Neuville in the back

[EstWRC]

judging by Neuvilles comments he isnt going for the win

[mknight]

judging by Neuvilles comments he isnt going for the win

Tbh I'd call that BS. "Not taking any risks" and over 1s/km faster than Ogier/Paddon.

[EstWRC]

Tbh I'd call that BS. "Not taking any risks" and over 1s/km faster than Ogier/Paddon.

yeah second thought from me too...i think also he is just bullshitting, seemed somewhat down

[steve.mandzij]

What an amazing driver that Ott is! I'm definitely rooting for him to take the win now, no doubt.

Also, Latvala best of the rest. Silver lining I suppose.

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[KKS]

Tanak saying that he taking risks and was very lucky in few places

[GravelBen]

Tbh I'd call that BS. "Not taking any risks" and over 1s/km faster than Ogier/Paddon.

Well Paddon said he was taking it really easy, "almost like a recce". Ogier said he was pushing though.

[EstWRC]

Tanak saying that he taking risks and was very lucky in few places

really? i heard he said he just had perfect and clean stage, didnt mention risks

E: my bad, didnt hear the risk part


Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak 8m8 minutes ago
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SS20: "I tried my best. I'm taking risks but being clean too - I would say it was close to a perfect stage for me." #WRC #RallyPoland

[GravelBen]

Live text on WRC+ quotes him saying "in many places I was lucky to get back in the lines just in time", which sounds like he was taking some risks.

[dupanton]

Neuville is always a bit slow on the first stage of the day. We have to wait for the 2nd stage before we can conclude whether or not Neuville can catch Tanak.

[dimviii]

Sun 08:50 - SS20: Tanak
An incredible split is followed by an incredible stage time - 15.6sec quicker than Suninen! "I tried my best but it was so slippery. In many places I was lucky to get back in the lines just in time." Tanak started the day trailing Neuville by 3.1sec. Neuville is 2.9sec slower at the midpoint split here. "I'm sure it will be close," Tanak says.

[BigWorm]

Tbh I'd call that BS. "Not taking any risks" and over 1s/km faster than Ogier/Paddon.

That's how good he is :p

[mknight]

Well it's not an easy choice for Neuville at all. With win he could close up on Ogier, big difference from 18 to 25 points. But even with 2nd he has extra car between him and Ogier.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/orlen_rally_poland_2017/dbo_3.jpg

[dimviii]

Well it's not an easy choice for Neuville at all. With win he could close up on Ogier, big difference from 18 to 25 points. But even with 2nd he has extra car between him and Ogier.

also he is capable for more power stage points vs Ogier.

[mknight]

also he is capable for more power stage points vs Ogier.

You mean this rally or every rally? This rally prbly. But in Sardinia he saved tires whole Sunday and then still was slower.

[dimviii]

for this rally of course.
imho Neuville hasn't got to take risks.This is his chance to minimize the gap with Ogier.
Ogier doesn't give such chances usually.

[Duvel]

Well it's not an easy choice for Neuville at all. With win he could close up on Ogier, big difference from 18 to 25 points. But even with 2nd he has extra car between him and Ogier.

Not easy to decide for a 100% push, or bringing home 2nd. Could wel be he had a 95% push lets say

[J_n_z]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/orlen_rally_poland_2017/dbo_3.jpg

Wallpaper for my garage,... Who is the man behind this photo ($$)?

[Duvel]

Cool last sector, rollercoaster stuff

[EstWRC]

stage looking in very good condition, bad at all

[AnttiL]

Wallpaper for my garage,... Who is the man behind this photo ($$)?

Doesn't it say it on the watermark :p

[AnttiL]

I think Hänninen just got one place up by Mikkelsen's mistake

[MikeD]

Really impressive run by Timo Suninen. Does anybody know if he os contracted to M-Sport? Otherwise Citroën or Toyota should have a look at him for the future imo.

[mknight]

Dry outside and slippery in the forests. This will certainly be interesting stage.

[AnttiL]

Really impressive run by Timo Suninen. Does anybody know if he os contracted to M-Sport? Otherwise Citroën or Toyota should have a look at him for the future imo.

Well he's been driving WRC2 through M-Sport as well but he's bringing in his own sponsors.

[AnttiL]

Damn, Suninen stalled on the startline

[mknight]

Lefevbre car looks like something from a horror movie.

[AnttiL]

Lefevbre car looks like something from a horror movie.

It looked like he was about to hit some spectators too close to the road with that

[BigWorm]

Another stall for Sunninen. The clutch is tricky...

[dimviii]

Lefebvre

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDtq6ACXUAAE2y6.jpg

[jparker]

I like the roads and driving (from tv/vid, never been there), but for example that moment by Neuville could have resulted in 10 death if he rolled. Which in turn might get us back to 1986-style ban on rallycars.

That could be said for other events too. Monte Carlo people trowing snow ball on cars, this year death. Argentina people trowing stones on Helicopter, Mexico people resting 1m from racing line ... and I can keep going if you want. Why nobody is calling for canceling those events? I'm not trying to close my eyes, the issues in Poland are obvious, but be fare. Rally Poland is nice spice in the championship.

[mknight]

Breen and Lefevbre here is the same old Citroen over again, miles behind on one stage, top times on next.

[RS]

Problems for Mikkelslow on SS21? +30s on Lefebvre.

[abxyz]

Fuck

[Simmi]

Oh Ott.

[BigWorm]

Uh oh Tänak...

[MikeD]

Game over for Tänak. Dammit!

[BigWorm]

That looks slow..

[J_n_z]

Doesn't it say it on the watermark :p
Evidently too early for me... 😴

[Duvel]

Will neuville know this?

[EstWRC]

well thats it, why you pushed so much second stage in a row?

old Tänak cme out today .ogier to third, lol

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDtt2UKXYAI68J8.jpg

[AnttiL]

I wonder if he can make it to the finish

[BigWorm]

Paddon up to second.

[AnttiL]

Neuville flying, not knowing what has happened

[racerx1979]

Ott in bad shape. He is out of contention... Ogier in third. Neuville keeps it safe and he wins

[Simmi]

well thats it, why you pushed so much second stage in a row?

old Tänak cme out today .ogier to third, lol

Neuville was -1.2 at the first split so the fight was on. I'm not sure he can continue :(

[racerx1979]

Hope Neuville keeps it tidy. Maybe he's going for power stage points.

[dimviii]

its a big damage....

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19575330_1719005544806569_6831808873823432766_o.jp g?oh=6692812b2adcda6be01694564f6f234b&oe=5A0AB626

[mknight]

Lol at Neuville's face when he saw Tanak at the finish.

[BigWorm]

It looks like game over for Tänak there.. Poor Ott, Poland sure has a jinx on him.

[Simmi]

Absolute monster time by Neuville. Interesting interview saying he knew Ott couldn't sustain that pace.

[EstWRC]

great sportsmanship from Neuville there


like Tänak said, if you want to win you have to take risks

[cali]

Neuville with an unbelievable time, was a great rally

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[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDtu289WAAEHvYU.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDtu289XYAEYUfw.jpg

[er88]

I really think Neuville is gonna win this championship. He has the demeanour about him of a winner now. Recovered so well after the Horrible errors in Monte and Sweden.

Interesting to hear him saying he had people tell him that tanak was going to go off

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[MikeD]

Now Ogier has to go for 3rd in the rally and all 5 points in the power-stage. Otherwise Neuville is looking more and more like this years champion.

[mknight]

I suppose Sunninen does not score manu points for M-Sport?

[Duvel]

Absolute monster time by Neuville. Interesting interview saying he knew Ott couldn't sustain that pace.
Looking at Tanaks coment after previos stage, this could happen, smart driving by thiery

[dimviii]

Absolute monster time by Neuville. Interesting interview saying he knew Ott couldn't sustain that pace.

cant imagine what we will hear from his mouth if he wins a championship.

[jparker]

great sportsmanship from Neuville there


like Tänak said, if you want to win you have to take risks

Absolutely. Having Neuville's time in mind, he had no choice but to risk it. It didn't happen, that's life.

[BigWorm]

I suppose Sunninen does not score manu points for M-Sport?

Nope, same as Östberg. Only entered via M-Sport to be able to drive the 17 car, but not eligible for manu points.

[AnttiL]

Neuville almost had a road accident on camera, he turned onto the mainroad and just missed a car

[dimviii]

Now Ogier has to go for 3rd in the rally and all 5 points in the power-stage. Otherwise Neuville is looking more and more like this years champion.

Ogier has about 40 stages in a row to win a stage.

[EstWRC]

cant imagine what we will hear from his mouth if he wins a championship.

exactly, im sure he is just bullshitting with this quotes.

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDtvdO-XoAA_Lnr.jpg

[AL14]

cant imagine what we will hear from his mouth if he wins a championship.

I don't want to know it. For the first time in my life I am rooting for Ogier this year.

[MikeD]

I suppose Sunninen does not score manu points for M-Sport?

No, he is not registrated as a Manufacturer entry. So no Manu points.

[EstWRC]

man right away i saw that Mikkelsen place i was so afraid of Tänak going there.

but you have to admit it was a mega time by Neuville.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted for Ott and MSport.

Great chance to win and limit Neuville's points but cant deny he has driven really well here.

[Simmi]

Neuville almost had a road accident on camera, he turned onto the mainroad and just missed a car

I think this sort of thing happens and 10 times worse every day on WRC road sections. That camera card guy looked like he was trying to wave him out onto the road but did a sh*t job.

[KKS]

Another good present for Ogier. Latavala - 1st. and now Tanak.... How lucky Ogier are

[EstWRC]

intereting theory from Colin today and from estonian fans that Ott was told to push like hell....if he had won he had taken points from Neuville and if he crashes like he did then Ogier benefits.

[dimviii]

Tanak retires,officialfrom Msport.

Pitty.

[6789]

Shame for Ott - a great fight all weekend!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another good present for Ogier. Latavala - 1st. and now Tanak.... How lucky Ogier are

Others problems arent your luck, its their fault or bad luck.

[Simmi]

intereting theory from Colin today and from estonian fans that Ott was told to push like hell....if he had won he had taken points from Neuville and if he crashes like he did then Ogier benefits.

Doesn't take into account manufacturer battle.

Quite a big points swing now to Hyundai. Should be M-Sport 259 / Hyundai 237 I think if this continues.

Although I can't believe how many people are happy with the current rules when Elfyn effectively scores fifth place points here.

[er88]

That off has probably just relegated Tanak to the role of Ogiers lapdog for the rest of the season now.

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[dimviii]

so 1-2-4 for Hyundai?

[BigWorm]

intereting theory from Colin today and from estonian fans that Ott was told to push like hell....if he had won he had taken points from Neuville and if he crashes like he did then Ogier benefits.

Not sure about that. Yes Ogier will get 3 points extra for third, but Neuville will get 7 extra for first. So without the power stage, Neuville has already gained 4 extra points on Ogier because of Tänak's spin.

[jparker]

intereting theory from Colin today and from estonian fans that Ott was told to push like hell....if he had won he had taken points from Neuville and if he crashes like he did then Ogier benefits.

Tanak wanted the win, so it was mutual interest. He didn't do it just for Ogier. Maybe helped him get approval to push to the max by Malcolm.

[KKS]

exactly, im sure he is just bullshitting with this quotes.
Look at stage end, he have "special" fans to clear his screen and to assist him to join a main road. So it's 100% he have special fans on stages who told him some information

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville:
Feeling sorry for @OttTanak and @MartinJarveoja
It was a really great battle. Enjoyed it a lot. Respect.
#RallyPoland #WRC https://t.co/mAcQeoF9rM

[makinen_fan]

Look at stage end, he have "special" fans to clear his screen and to assist him to join a main road. So it's 100% he have special fans on stages who told him some information

he is a tv guy

[Simmi]

Look at stage end, he have "special" fans to clear his screen and to assist him to join a main road. So it's 100% he have special fans on stages who told him some information

If you don't know what you're looking at then maybe don't comment?

Those were WRC TV guys replacing the cards in the onboard cameras. Happens every rally and I assume they are wiping the windscreen so the onboard camera has a clearer view.

[EstWRC]

That off has probably just relegated Tanak to the role of Ogiers lapdog for the rest of the season now.

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this was written in the scenario already before the season. You could see it in Malcolm's quotes.

but people here tend to speak to soon. it just takes some or ONE retirement from Neuville and Ogier and Tänak and Latvala are back again.

[KKS]

Others problems arent your luck, its their fault or bad luck.
it's true, but he always gain places with nothing do by himself. And it's a pure luck.

[jparker]

cant imagine what we will hear from his mouth if he wins a championship.

Well, little bragging, but at least not without grounds. His time just confirmed his words.

[KKS]

If you don't know what you're looking at then maybe don't comment?

Those were WRC TV guys replacing the cards in the onboard cameras. Happens every rally and I assume they are wiping the windscreen so the onboard camera has a clearer view.
All WRC TV guys carry Belguim flag?

[jparker]

this was written in the scenario already before the season.

If I remember correctly, you didn't agree with the above at the beginning of the season. Glad you realized this now.
But once again, he didn't risk it just for Ogier. Who doesn't want to win?

[A FONDO]

unbelievable that Ogier is 3rd and gets 15 points.

[MikeD]

unbelievable that Ogier is 3rd and gets 15 points. But Ogier has to beat Neuville in the PS, but I doubt he will.

[EstWRC]

huuuggge respect Jari https://twitter.com/Mollysport/status/881428885493121025

[BigWorm]

All WRC TV guys carry Belguim flag?

A few fans probably wants to say hi to the driver they support. Them carrying special info for Neuville feels a bit far fetched.

[dimviii]

Well, little bragging, but at least not without grounds. His time just confirmed his words.

have been plenty of drivers with amazing stage times that respect their competitors at stage ends.

https://twitter.com/Mollysport/status/881428885493121025

[Lord_Shaitan]

I'm heartbroken for Ott... :(

And also feed up with all comments about Ogier's luck... Get a life guys...

[Simmi]

All WRC TV guys carry Belguim flag?

Two TV guys doing their job. Some Belgian fans stood around. Believe what you like if it helps you process things.

[jparker]

have been plenty of drivers with amazing stage times that respect their competitors at stage ends.

https://twitter.com/Mollysport/status/881428885493121025

What do you call this? Disrespect?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDtvdO-XoAA_Lnr.jpg

[sonnybobiche]

Sigh. What was a 4-way title fight is now a 2-way fight, with a big chunk of the season still to go. Unless maybe Neuville and Ogier crash into each other on the road section. Could happen!

[mknight]

Well before Poland I thought it's mostly 2 way fight. But seeking all those massive moments basically all had in Poland I think there will be DNFs comming up, specially on tricky rallies like Finland and Germany.

[AnttiL]

So, Lefebvre is up for scoring 4th place points for Citroen, as Sordo is already third Hyundai and Suninen doesn't score manu points

[dimviii]

What do you call this? Disrespect?


find somebody else to troll.

[jparker]

So, Lefebvre is up for scoring 4th place points for Citroen, as Sordo is already third Hyundai and Suninen doesn't score manu points

Not only this. We are about to see 3 Citroens reaching the final. Isn't that remarkable?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

it's true, but he always gain places with nothing do by himself. And it's a pure luck.

Ogier gave them a chance being slow here, their fault they didnt take it.

[jparker]

find somebody else to troll.

Find some other driver to hate. You don't like Neuville? Fine, but don't demonstrate it. I don't like Ogier, but don't show it.

[mknight]

Meh it also shows that there is some truth in what Nandan says. Not-scoring cars should "block" for other points. Sure he said it mostly cause it benefits Hyundai, but it's definitely more logical.

[Sub_Skoda]

It's a shame for Tänak.
And ogier will get the 3rd position... pfff

[KKS]

And ogier will get the 3rd position... pfff
Quite strange opinion from France

[KKS]

Mikkelsen just 4 sec away from Hanninen into PS

[racerx1979]

this was written in the scenario already before the season. You could see it in Malcolm's quotes.

but people here tend to speak to soon. it just takes some or ONE retirement from Neuville and Ogier and Tänak and Latvala are back again.

Exactly... one off and Latvala back in the game. Especially if he scores top points on power stage... it's close enough to keep things exciting

[jparker]

Mikkelsen, wow. Same on PS and he will pass Evans as well.

[EstWRC]

Gerard Quinn‏ @WRCgerardquinn 5m5 minutes ago
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Gutted for you! Chin up......back stronger and faster. Well done. GQ


Great to see good reactions from twitter and all over everywhere including here from you guys. Not seen a single negative comment.

Yeah it happened but it seems he didnt care for second place at all. He actually lost the win yesterday after losing his rear wing. but These things happen it is rallying.

But still it was a great fight and and awesome weeken from Tänak....some unbelievable performances.

[mknight]

Mikkelsen, wow. Same on PS and he will pass Evans as well.

He would have passed Evans easily by now if he didn't loose those 20s due to his fault in SS21. So he's just trying to correct for it.

[KKS]

Very good time by Sordo with flat tyre

[Tarmop]

IMO everyone else is more disappointed than Ott himself. After retiring he pretty much implied that he already had 2. and 3. poisition from Poland and to win, one must take risks, didn`t work this time, but hey, what the heck, probably happens again and happens to others. In terms of crashing from p1, Neuville is the second unluckiest guy after Meeke, but he is in a close fight for WDC...

[racerx1979]

Mikkelsen pushed hard on SS 22. He's fastest so far, but Paddon, Nueville and JML still to go. Andreas said he drove maximum.

[noel157]

Gerard Quinn‏ @WRCgerardquinn 5m5 minutes ago
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Gutted for you! Chin up......back stronger and faster. Well done. GQ


Great to see good reactions from twitter and all over everywhere including here from you guys. Not seen a single negative comment.

Yeah it happened but it seems he didnt care for second place at all. He actually lost the win yesterday after losing his rear wing. but These things happen it is rallying.

But still it was a great fight and and awesome weeken from Tänak....some unbelievable performances.

Yo EstWRC, commiserations for you and your boy Ott. Super pilot.

[KKS]

Ogier off the road. I want see that.
Sordo now "only" 13 sec away.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDuAsohXkAQqnqn.jpg

[racerx1979]

JML surely understands how Tanak feels. Ott in top shape this year.. dude can drive the wheels (and spoiler) off that thing.

[dimviii]

Ogier off the road. I want see that.
Sordo now "only" 13 sec away.

black cat

Sébastien Ogier‏
"We went into a field, very strangely. In a fast corner the car completely snapped at the rear and kicked me off the road"

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/881443915664064512

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDuEjRiWAAA0fF0.jpg

Tänak already going home, only an hours drive.

[dimviii]

tree that Tanak crashed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDuDMZMXgAAyIPA.jpg

[mknight]

Yeah forgot the reversed order on PS includes superrally cars. Don't think Latvala can win it then.

[Duvel]

Best time for Neuville again, curius for power stage. If i was Nandan i would ask Sordo and Paddon to go all out on that one. I see Mikkelsen doieng well in there also.

[Ucci]

Otherwise Neuville is looking more and more like this years champion.
Solid imagination...

[mknight]

https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/881443915664064512

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDuEjRiWAAA0fF0.jpg

Tänak already going home, only an hours drive.

817km in 1 hour... he is surely "flying" :D

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak 7m7 minutes ago
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I've left so many people down and feel so sorry for Team and all these estonian fans - you were all incredible! Sorry

M-Sport‏ @MSportLtd 1m1 minute ago
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You didn't let us down Ott. You're a true fighter which is what rallying is all about. Win together, lose together, we'll be back stronger

[KKS]

817km in 1 hour... he is surely "flying" :D
arriving at 01:17 :)

[J_n_z]

black cat

Sébastien Ogier‏
"We went into a field, very strangely. In a fast corner the car completely snapped at the rear and kicked me off the road"

And he goes away with it yet again... He is a little fortunate with his offs and reliability this year.

[USER47]

it's true, but he always gain places with nothing do by himself. And it's a pure luck.
If it happens always, there is a good chance this is not a luck.

Ogier just knows the limits, he doesn't do a lot of mistakes and when he does, he doesn't do them in rally ending spots. He plays a long game and he plays it brilliantly. He is able to slow down and let the frontrunners to crash rather than trying to catch up with them and crash himself. That's why he always comes on good points position and why he is the four times world champion. It's not luck.

[EstWRC]

Malcolm just confirming in estonian television that they just went for the win and Tänak saying the same....but boy Malcolm looked so so frustrated.

[noel157]

If it happens always, there is a good chance this is not a luck.

Ogier just knows the limits, he doesn't do a lot of mistakes and when he does, he doesn't do them in rally ending spots. He plays a long game and he plays it brilliantly. He is able to slow down and let the frontrunners to crash rather than trying to catch up with them and crash himself. That's why he always comes on good points position and why he is the four times world champion. It's not luck.

Good fortune is a big part of it. But agree, the bigger picture and the longer game are how he approaches championships.

[Eli]

Wow what a season we've got, something we could only dream of a couple of years ago. As people before me have already said, there are 2 very tricky rallies coming up, should spice things up even more and perhaps, Tanak can repeat the feat for Estonia in Finland and become the first Estonian to win there since Markko Martin, 2003 (as long as the spoiler stays on that car). Should suit his driving style and don't forget Latvala & Esapekka might surprise us.

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[EstWRC]

Malcolm just confirming in estonian television that they just went for the win and Tänak saying the same....but boy Malcolm looked so so frustrated.

you can see it here http://sport.err.ee/605289/wilson-uks-kahest-liidrist-pidi-eksima-ja-kahjuks-tegi-seda-ott

[KKS]

If it happens always, there is a good chance this is not a luck.

... and when he does, he doesn't do them in rally ending spots. ...
I didn't agree with you. When Ogier do a mistake it always field, or open area that can't do damage to a car. When other's do a mistake (Tanak is fresh example) - it always naughty tree that smash a car.

[EstWRC]

Tänak's mistake https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxuPA08t8r1gy2_Wi8uXdkLw&v=YFczeD1r0D8


damn watersplash! such a little mistake but so costly

[noel157]

PS: http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/wrc-rally-poland-live-streaming

Sadly Desborough is talking....

[A FONDO]

movistar 720x50 shitty bitrate

acestream://e172e5e30fc7073dcb6a8e6a10d550f728cb3d86

[mknight]

Tänak's mistake https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxuPA08t8r1gy2_Wi8uXdkLw&v=YFczeD1r0D8


damn watersplash! such a little mistake but so costly

It's different place than Mikkelsen, but very likely the one Sordo was warning about.

[EstWRC]

IMO it is the same place?

[mknight]

IMO it is the same place?

Ahh yes, sorry, it is exactly the same spot.

[mknight]

wtf, wasn't Latvala supposed to start first on PS. What kind of starting order is this... Latvala between Mikkelsen and Evans?

EDIT: He could have taken penalty in TC to change his position.

[Eli]

Why oh why do we need to hear Jon Desborough????

[noel157]

Why oh why do we need to hear Jon Desborough????

Two magic Desborough quotes so far:

"It seems with these new areo packages the faster the cars go the more the car is pushed down"

"Will Mikkelsen get some PS points"

[AnttiL]

Hänninen said it doesn't matter if he's 10th or 11th but for Manufacturer points it matters if he's ahead of Mikkelsen and Evans. Apparently he's not.

[mknight]

Two magic Desborough quotes so far:

"It seems with these new areo packages the faster the cars go the more the car is pushed down"

"Will Mikkelsen get some PS points"

No that I like him, but the second part is possible.

Btw. note that Toyota of Hanninen was lifting much more on front than both Citroens.

EDIT: Also for Hanninen Mikkelsen is one likely competitor for his seat at Toyota, if he beats him with 1:40+ lost in various ditches it doesn't look well for Hanninen.

[noel157]

Not a bad run from Hollywood #2.

[EstWRC]

Latvala pushing too hard in some places

[mknight]

Still no explanation for why Latvala started after those 3. Someone can find what the TC lists said?

[noel157]

Latvala pushing too hard in some places

Looks like he's over driving the car at times.

[AnttiL]

Gonna be tight with Evans and Mikkelsen

[wrc2017]

Why do people feel sorry for Ott, but trash Meeke. Just asking.
Neuville:
Feeling sorry for @OttTanak and @MartinJarveoja
It was a really great battle. Enjoyed it a lot. Respect.
#RallyPoland #WRC https://t.co/mAcQeoF9rM

[mknight]

Ott crashed out twice this year, Meeke 5?

[denkimi]

Why do people feel sorry for Ott, but trash Meeke. Just asking.

because tanak doesn't on average crash twice a rally. :p

[EstWRC]

ahhhh i knews this question would come, took a lot of time!

[wrc2017]

Take the numbers out of it, and the fact we all acknowledge the C3 is now officially a bag of shit, if Meeke has done this on any rally, he would have been ridculed.

Ott crashed out twice this year, Meeke 5?

[dimviii]

Tanak crash outside
https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/881460702547980288

[wrc2017]

I say rest Tanak for Finland.

[BigWorm]

Good rally by Lefebvre.

[mknight]

Good rally by Lefebvre.

Think he saved his future in Citroen for the time being tbh.

[fredfush]

Still no explanation for why Latvala started after those 3. Someone can find what the TC lists said?
The start order for the PS is determined by WRC TV that's one of the reasons for having a regroup of 30 mins just before.

[EstWRC]

I say rest Tanak for Finland.

so by your logic Hyundai should have rested Neuville after Sweden too?

[mknight]

The start order for the PS is determined by WRC TV that's one of the reasons for having a regroup of 30 mins just before.

Yes, but usually superraly crews start first, then those that drove without crashing out.

[dimviii]

so by your logic Hyundai should have rested Neuville after Sweden too?

sarcasm about Meeke.


Suninen spun

[AnttiL]

Damn, Suninen spun and dropped 6th. Very good rally still.

[noel157]

Suninen in the 17 car for Neste?

[rallyfiend]

Yes, but usually superraly crews start first, then those that drove without crashing out.

With only a 30 minute regroup they would not be able to move him to the head of the field....

[AnttiL]

Suninen in the 17 car for Neste?

Yes

[Francis44]

Lefebvre best Citroën well clear of Mikkelsen and Breen 🙃.

[mousti]

There was said Mikkelsen would replace Breen in Germany, Matton said now he will replace Lefebvre not Breen.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDuZzcvXsAA54R8.jpg

[EightGear]

That's fourth place secured for Dani. "I can be positive, fourth place is good and I'm happy to score good manufacturers and drivers points. But for me, fourth is not what I expected. I want more, for next rally I will try to do my best."

Dani, you are not scoring manufacturers points!

[EstWRC]

Great word from Ogier, well done

[dimviii]

Neuville doesn't seem to push.

[macebig]

Ogier will at least keep a narrow WDC lead. And Evans saves a fine lead in WCC for Ford. Thats something good after a very hard defeat. Onwards to NORF...

[Ucci]

Neuville doesn't seem to push.
Well, his memory serves him well (Tanak issue).

[HaCo]

Yes yes!!!!!

[HaCo]

Proud to be Belgian again!!! :D :D :D :D

[mknight]

Two magic Desborough quotes so far:

..

"Will Mikkelsen get some PS points"

Touché

[A FONDO]

Congratulations to Thierry, very very fast and drained 7 more points from Ogier. Can't wait to next rally.

[EightGear]

Neuville saying 'races' bothers me much more than it really should.

[denkimi]

i think neuville will curse if he sees how close he was to getting 1, or perhaps even 3 point more.

[noel157]

Good win for Neuville, thanks to VW for a great championship.

I eat my words about Desborough and Mikkelsen's PS points.

[noel157]

Touché

I didn't see your post before posting mine, but a bit churlish, no?

[wrc2017]

Yes, makes no logic.
so by your logic Hyundai should have rested Neuville after Sweden too?

[wrc2017]

What a photo..!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDuZzcvXsAA54R8.jpg

[Ucci]

Amazing event, superb win for Neuville-congrats. Paddon finally showed some speed and avoid troubles.
Ogier-his interview tells everything. He is not happy with his performance, didn't show almost nothing, than again his is on podium.
Sordo-I think this is max what he can achive (thanks to JML & Tanak off)in this conditions-he is not a fan of slippery conditions.
Citroen boys-well, again a rally with mixed feelings. But, Meeke will be strong in Finland. Don't forget this words....

[stefanvv]

There was said Mikkelsen would replace Breen in Germany, Matton said now he will replace Lefebvre not Breen.Soap opera episode VXIII

[BigWorm]

Veiby the surprise of the rally for me. Had the upper hand on Tidemand the whole race.

[Eli]

Amazing event, superb win for Neuville-congrats. Paddon finally showed some speed and avoid troubles.
Ogier-his interview tells everything. He is not happy with his performance, didn't show almost nothing, than again his is on podium.
Sordo-I think this is max what he can achive (thanks to JML & Tanak off)in this conditions-he is not a fan of slippery conditions.
Citroen boys-well, again a rally with mixed feelings. But, Meeke will be strong in Finland. Don't forget this words....
These words? We won't.
Huge congrats to Hyundai, only 22 points now behind M-Sport (they were 50 before Poland) and only 11 points in the drivers title before heading to the greatest battle ground of them all- Rally Finland. Btw, a very well done to Paddon after a difficult season, nice to see him back on the podium.

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[N.O.T]

11 points difference... 5 events remaining... the plot thickens.

[mknight]

Soap opera episode VXIII

Matton went from not changing anything for 4 months.... to changing everything, preferably all the time.

[stefanvv]

only 22 points now behind M-Sport (they were 50 before Poland)Your math is little bigger with 10 points.

[Eli]

Your math is little bigger with 10 points.

You saying it was 40 points going in to this round?

Edit: yes I've seen it now, even better!!! only 12 points between them, what a fascinating battle!!!

[BigWorm]

You saying it was 40 points going in to this round?

Edit: yes I've seen it now, even better!!! only 12 points between them, what a fascinating battle!!!

It was indeed 40, 234 to 194 prior to this rally.

[stefanvv]

Edit: yes I've seen it now, even better!!! only 12 points between them, what a fascinating battle!!!Huh? Ford takes 25, hyundai 43, that is 18 difference in my math.

[Eli]

Huh? Ford takes 25, hyundai 43, that is 18 difference in my math.

Wait how does Ford take 25? didn't they just take 15? (there's perhaps my mistake).

[BigWorm]

22 points between them.

[BigWorm]

Wait how does Ford take 25? didn't they just take 15? (there's perhaps my mistake).

Elfyn gets manu points for fifth since some others inbetween won't. Sordo being the third Hyundai so no points from him, Suninen and Östberg not eligible for manu points.

[Eli]

Elfyn gets manu points for fifth since some others inbetween won't.

Ahhh I see, stupid scoring system, they should have let all of the 3 drivers get the points, not just the leading two. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[L555MAT]

New to forum first post!

Do Powerstage points count towards the Manufacterer championship?

[BigWorm]

New to forum first post!

Do Powerstage points count towards the Manufacterer championship?

Nope, those are purely for drivers.

[itix]

Great rally from the sporting perspective with many close battles and excitement all the way through. Poor Tänak to suffer from the polish syndrome 2nd year in a row.

Horrible rally from a safety perspective. Even the south european and south/north american rounds look safe and well managed in comparison. I'd be surprised to see it back on the calendar. With all the rally enthusiasm there is in Poland, you'd expect the marshals wanting to do a good job as to keep the round in the WRC but you get the sense they couldn't care less about the task that was given them.

[BigWorm]

Ahhh I see, stupid scoring system, they should have let all of the 3 drivers get the points, not just the leading two. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I think it's OK, makes it easier for the teams to have a joker to rely on. Hyundai certainly got it very wrong at times when they had to nominate drivers last year.

[itix]

huuuggge respect Jari https://twitter.com/Mollysport/status/881428885493121025

What was this about? Status is gone now.

[SubaruNorway]

Yes, but usually superraly crews start first, then those that drove without crashing out.

Rally 2 crews starts last this year but that wouldn't work so good for TV if Latvala came after Neuville, pretty simple really.

[JUF]

Veiby the surprise of the rally for me. Had the upper hand on Tidemand the whole race.
For me too! He has always done well, but never managed to impress. But his performance in Poland was excellent!

[dimviii]

http://images.wrc.com/Ticker/11725_WRCTV_Drivers-Poland_2017_001_944x531.jpg
http://images.wrc.com/Ticker/11726_WRCTV_Teams-Poland-2017_001_944x531.jpg

[bluuford]

I think it's OK, makes it easier for the teams to have a joker to rely on. Hyundai certainly got it very wrong at times when they had to nominate drivers last year.
Current system is the best and most simple. With the system other blocking the points, M-Sport would have led by far more points, by the way, Hyunday would have lost the most points and gaps would have bigger ;) I told it once, just pure stat.;)

[EstWRC]

so out of 4 only 2 now left for the title...for sure Tänak and Latvala still have chance but only if Neuville and Ogier hit troubles at least on two rallies. But it is far from over for them.

This was actually third rally in a row where Tänak was fighting for the win but funny thing for me is that in sardinia he drove like a champ with being very smart but in portugal and here again he just thinks about speed and winning the rally not title. Okay i understand his frustration with losing the rear wing yesterday and the rally going away from him second year in a row by not his fault. Okay both the mistakes in portugal and poland were very little but very costly.

Great to see Paddon on super form again and this time also lucky!!!! i can see him climbing up the leaderboard in championship in next rallies. You could see in Ogiers comments after last stage he was not satisfied at all, still a third place but a horrible rally and he definitely has to up his game big time if he wants to hold Neuville back.

Lefebvre surprised big time, fastest citroen, didnt expect that at all.

[mknight]

Rally 2 crews starts last this year but that wouldn't work so good for TV if Latvala came after Neuville, pretty simple really.
Yes so they change for PS so that rally 2 crews og before normal ones. This was the case in monte, portugal etc. So Latvala sound have started before Breen as first on the road (3 cars earlier). He didnt and in the end that might affect the champ. So I wonder why.

[itix]

Lefebvre surprised big time, fastest citroen, didnt expect that at all.

I was quite critical of him after the friday but I have to eat those words... he definitely got his act together on the saturday and sunday!

[Eli]

I was quite critical of him after the friday but I have to eat those words... he definitely got his act together on the saturday and sunday!
I think we all need to eat our words about him, he did a good job, let's hope he can keep it up when he returns in Germany or Spain is it? Citroën knows it needs those points.
Great to see Paddon finally scoring some big points after two disappointing rallies.
Ogier even though he wasn't the fastest, is playing the long game here and imho that will give him the edge at the end of the year, because in contrast to the last 4 years, when VW took away everybody with their speed, this year the leading crews (minus Citroën) are all very fast but consistency is the key for winning both this year's titles.


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[Ucci]

Great to see Paddon on super form again and this time also lucky!!!! i can see him climbing up the leaderboard in championship in next rallies.

In Finland yes, but no way on tarmac (Germany and Spain).

[KKS]

Ahhh I see, stupid scoring system, they should have let all of the 3 drivers get the points, not just the leading two. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
In that case Malcom win a WCC in Monte :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The last two rallies have been pretty poor for Ogier (either his speed and/or road position) but he still leads the championship. M-Sport still also lead the Manufacturers and would've been even better were it not for Tanak's costly error here.

But I think they are still strong and can fight Neuville/Hyundai til the end. The car is reliable and Ogier must come good again before long.

[macebig]

Ok, the Polo was really flattering Ogier and Mikkelsen. They are not sick dogs (©NOT) but they aren't the drivers VW made them to look.In retrospect, it seems like the German car was much better than we thought it to be. Weirdly, JML who looked the worst of the 3, has adapted very well to the new conditions. The Norwegian and the Frenchman need to get their heads down, work through the summer with the Fiesta and the C3 and come back very improved, because what we have seen so far isn't really satisfying. And please don't play the Ogier leads the WDC card. If Neuville hadn't thrown away 2 wins and Tanak made crucial mistakes in TdC and Poland he would have been 3rd.

[stefanvv]

Ok, the Polo was really flattering Ogier and Mikkelsen. They are not sick dogs (©NOT) but they aren't the drivers VW made them to look.In retrospect, it seems like the German car was much better than we thought it to be. Weirdly, JML who looked the worst of the 3, has adapted very well to the new conditions. The Norwegian and the Frenchman need to get their heads down, work through the summer with the Fiesta and the C3 and come back very improved, because what we have seen so far isn't really satisfying. And please don't play the Ogier leads the WDC card. If Neuville hadn't thrown away 2 wins and Tanak made crucial mistakes in TdC and Poland he would have been 3rd.If, if, if. If Ogier didn't made costly mistake in MC..... etc.To the VW. Yes, unbeatable car, but not by miles. Ogier was also struggling last year sweeping the road 2 days, remember. This year hyundai are in same position as VW was, clearly the fastest car, but Neuville is still chasing Ogier. Long game is the way to go.

[steve.mandzij]

Neuville saying 'races' bothers me much more than it really should.
Waces

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[EstWRC]

If, if, if. If Ogier didn't made costly mistake in MC..... etc.To the VW. Yes, unbeatable car, but not by miles. Ogier was also struggling last year sweeping the road 2 days, remember. This year hyundai are in same position as VW was, clearly the fastest car, but Neuville is still chasing Ogier. Long game is the way to go.

You can't read or what? He said don't play the championship card!

[AnttiL]

If Neuville hadn't thrown away 2 wins and Tanak made crucial mistakes in TdC and Poland he would have been 3rd.

Rallying is firstly about finishing, secondly about speed.

[JoostSchouten]

What a rally it was, sometimes very difficult to spectate, but most of the time a pure boost of adrenaline watching the 2017 WRCs on the best stages of the world. Really enjoyed this one!

Watch all the highlights of our rally in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqBt2jE3uys
http://i66.tinypic.com/2cgoja0.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqBt2jE3uys)

[SPKen]

SS23 Paprotki 2 (Power Stage)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12M1JnvOu-Y

[A FONDO]

SS23 Paprotki 2 (Power Stage)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12M1JnvOu-Y

this is surely the slowest corner of the whole rally.

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/torsteineriksen/status/881523365764366336

[mknight]

Ok, the Polo was really flattering Ogier and Mikkelsen. They are not sick dogs (©NOT) but they aren't the drivers VW made them to look.In retrospect, it seems like the German car was much better than we thought it to be. Weirdly, JML who looked the worst of the 3, has adapted very well to the new conditions. The Norwegian and the Frenchman need to get their heads down, work through the summer with the Fiesta and the C3 and come back very improved, because what we have seen so far isn't really satisfying. And please don't play the Ogier leads the WDC card. If Neuville hadn't thrown away 2 wins and Tanak made crucial mistakes in TdC and Poland he would have been 3rd.

What an incredibly biased argument. Ignore WDC (which is after all what they actually fight for) and "ignore" Latvala, then use him to prove he is good, while at the same time ignoring he has been slower than Ogier on most rallies this year. But hey let's do this properly:

Monte: Neuville fastest, Ogier best of the rest by far, Latvala clearly 4th, Mikkelsen class above anything else in WRC2 (he was 2nd in shakedown in R5 ffs)
Sweden: Neuville fastest with road position advantage, Latvala fastest on Sunday, Ogier 3th, Power stage: Latvala, Ogier
Mexico: overheating issues for most, Ogier faster than Neuville, Power Stage: Neuville, Ogier
Corsica: Meek fastest before technical, Ogier and Neuville same speed with technical issues for Og,Power Stage: Latvala, Ogier; Mikkelsen again far ahead everything in WRC2
Argentina: massive roadcleaning, Neuville fastest, with Evans having tyre/road adv. , Power Stage: Neuville, Evans, Tanak
Portugal: Ogier fastest, Tanak about same but off, Power Stage: Tanak, Neuville, Mikkelsen clearly fastest in WRC2, including Sunninen
Sardinia: Massive roadcleaning, on Saturday about same speed from Neuville, Tanak, Latvala, Paddon, PS: Lappi, Sordo, Ogier...
Poland: Neuville and Tanak, fastest, Latvala and Ogier after, Power Stage: Latvala, Ogier, Mikkelsen (complete VW podium)

Overall this season Ogier has been 2nd fastest driver, Tanak closing in now though, Latvala close to Tanak again, so 2 of the top 4 are ex. VW drivers (Mikkelsen obviously drove too little with Citroen)
Using the same argument you just did about VW we can say that Hyundai is flattering to Neuville. Can use Sordo (who is about as consistent as it gets), last year he was quite a bit slower. Also Ogier has been cleaning on all gravel events except Mexico. Yes it's just one day, but while other drivers get to adjust and drive on clean roads for a day it's like a new rally for him every Saturday.

VW was clearly faster that anything else for the first 3 years (2013-2015), last year in second half of the season, not so much. Sure those 3 drivers are probably not much faster than everyone else, but they certainly are not any slower.

I also still fail to see how the fact that positions 1. and 3. in WDC are ex. VW drivers does not count in World Rally Championship , but that's just me.

If Neuville had not thrown away two wins he would have been cleaning all gravel rallies since then, and would not get as good results. If Ogier didn't get car trouble in Corsica he would prbly beat Neuville. Tanaks 4-5th possible place in Corsica would not get him ahead of Ogier even with Poland win... then again he also had car trouble in Monte and we can keep like this forever. if if if

[Rallyper]

Veiby the surprise of the rally for me. Had the upper hand on Tidemand the whole race.

Tidemand drives for title. Not Veiby, or he must charge to have possibilities.

[BigWorm]

Tidemand drives for title. Not Veiby, or he must charge to have possibilities.

I still expected Tidemand to win here.

[dimviii]

Tanak crash with better view
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23153-big-crash-ott-tanak-wrc-74th-rally-of-poland-2017-ss21-paprotki/

[Rallyper]

I still expected Tidemand to win here.

He´s better in tactics than you are. :)

[noel157]

SS23 Paprotki 2 (Power Stage)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12M1JnvOu-Y

People just wondering all over the edge of the stage and a row of spectators standing facing the cars, mad and dangerous.

[noel157]

Tanak crash with better view
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23153-big-crash-ott-tanak-wrc-74th-rally-of-poland-2017-ss21-paprotki/

A little unfortunate to get thrown into the 2nd tree, otherwise.......

[dimviii]

Michelin video
https://youtu.be/NU0fOPzW0e4

[Simmi]

What a rally it was, sometimes very difficult to spectate, but most of the time a pure boost of adrenaline watching the 2017 WRCs on the best stages of the world. Really enjoyed this one!

Watch all the highlights of our rally in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqBt2jE3uys
http://i66.tinypic.com/2cgoja0.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqBt2jE3uys)

Thanks Joost. I would be interested to hear some of your experiences from spectating - and what made it difficult. Great vid.

[EstWRC]

A little unfortunate to get thrown into the 2nd tree, otherwise.......

agreed, i think without the watersplash he would have gotten away

better quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJT_N37YssE

[BigWorm]

He´s better in tactics than you are. :)

It's good for his championship but still surprising.

[steve.mandzij]

agreed, i think without the watersplash he would have gotten away

better quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJT_N37YssE
It looked to me like the entry was really out of line.

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[mknight]

It looked to me like the entry was really out of line.

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Missjudged the braking, exactly like MIkkelsen. But AM choose to go straight and loose a lot of time. Tanak would prbly as well if he wasnt fighting for win.

[krzaki]

Does anybody know what technical problems had Latvala?

[stefanvv]

It looked to me like the entry was really out of line.Sent from my Pixel using TapatalkHe was, but from the onboard it seemed like trying to avoid a watersplash, he did but the speed was too high already.

[Rally Power]

Epic rally! Huge congrats to Neuville/Gilsoul and Hyundai, they’re showing to be the strongest combination in this year championship.

Also huge congrats to Tanak; that small mistake doesn’t fade his fast, brave and spectacular driving. Latvala deserved better and Suninen made a heck of a debut; Veiby was brilliant in WRC2, just like Solans in JWRC. Congrats to them all.