Rally Argentina

[GigiGalliNo1]

If Gigi was at the airport....i wonder how furious he would of gotten plus plus plus entertained everyone! Haha

[GigiGalliNo1]

less then one hour until stage start!! Are there at least splits?!

[SubaruNorway]

The top of the cacking is that they whatered the stage last night way to much

[GigiGalliNo1]

really? soo muddy?

[pentti]

Just noticed that two of my pupils were first and second in last night's super special. Nice to be some times right.

[Finni]

Just noticed that two of my pupils were first and second in last night's super special. Nice to be some times right.

Sensitively humble as always. :)

[pentti]

Sensitively humble as always. :) I am not always right but never wrong!

[Finni]

Rally started at last..

[GigiGalliNo1]

Links? Splits? Any radio?

[Finni]

Oh.. no single splits..

[Finni]

What an annoying rally.

[GigiGalliNo1]

when you got to wrc.com

click Rally Live under WRC+

then click here for live splits - java results thingo! :)

[Finni]

Hell.. their time service is obviously also missing after all..

[GigiGalliNo1]

Loeb stage done. 15:35.1

[Buzz Lightyear]

no splits, just stage total.. should we be surprised...

[GigiGalliNo1]

its something still....

[Wim_Impreza]

Grönholm 4.6s slower then Loeb.

[jonkka]

+4,6s

[Finni]

no split times, no news on weather. rallyin is really in deep problems nowadays. Fine sport but annoying amateurs working around.

By the way, if there is wet weather as few people indicated we can wait that others lose Loeb even more than Marcus.

[N.O.T]

Loeb annihilates the competition......

[N.O.T]

Solberg 2nd fastest...4.1 slower

[jonkka]

It's over...

[Wim_Impreza]

WRC was never so boring.

[GigiGalliNo1]

whats over?

[SubaruNorway]

Wow a real stage finaly being run

[White Sauron]

whats over?

I'ts not actually even started, but it's already clear Loeb will win it...(

[Finni]

If there is a muddy road base I think that Petter did tremendous time. All afterrunners were very slow:

10 H SOLBERG +0:39.9
8 C ATKINSON +0:27.6
9 J LATVALA +0:23.2
5 M STOHL +0:29.3

It would be really nice to know what is the road condition. I think that this situation is so farce. No split times; wouldn't be possible with F1. No driver comments; wouldn't be possible in any serious sport. Is it so impossible to get continually working split time system. It's almost always the same case that few stage are missed at least some time before times appears from nowhere.

[GigiGalliNo1]

i am sitting in front of my labtop.....in silence watching a blank wrc screen............................................ ....................................

and refreshing this forum............ :)

but the only thing fun is this forum.........

[GigiGalliNo1]

Oh just got the Group B dvd out :D watching that! amazing....

[raybak]

No times for Wilson and companc

[jonkka]

Wilson?

[Robert Niestroj]

Guys, it's a 350 km rally not a 3,5km F1 Circiut ;-)

[Sulland]

What happened to Henning on 10, anything spec or isnt he faster ?

[SubaruNorway]

What is beeing broadcasted on the radio, Rally Jordan is from 10 of may isent it

[GigiGalliNo1]

music is being broadcast on radio...wtf!? just stage end split......not worth my money this weekend!!

[Huufke]

What is beeing broadcasted on the radio, Rally Jordan is from 10 of may isent it

They're repeating this tape for a two days in a row now. Don't know what the problem is. Anybody?

[GigiGalliNo1]

1. 1 S. Loeb 20:18.0 0:00 20:18.0 0.0 0.0
2. 7 P. Solberg 20:22.5 0:00 20:22.5 4.5 4.5
3. 3 M. Grönholm 20:22.7 0:00 20:22.7 0.2 4.7
4. 4 M. Hirvonen 20:26.7 0:00 20:26.7 4.0 8.7
5. 2 D. Sordo 20:36.5 0:00 20:36.5 9.8 18.5
6. 8 C. Atkinson 20:46.9 0:00 20:46.9 10.4 28.9
7. 9 J. Latvala 20:48.1 0:00 20:48.1 1.2 30.1
8. 5 M. Stohl 20:52.3 0:00 20:52.3 4.2 34.3
9. 10 H. Solberg 21:03.0 0:00 21:03.0 10.7 45.0
10. 38 K. Sohlberg 21:55.3 0:00 21:55.3 52.3 1:37.3

[SubaruNorway]

They were talking about Rally Jordan unknown reporter

[GigiGalliNo1]

Supporting a rally that is not yet in the WRC (Jordan) and not even doing/reporting from a rally that is IN the WRC (Arge) Hrmmm.... bye bye Argentina?! I HOPE NOT!!

[Rally_Rocks]

Weather report from Carlos Paz

Very low cloud, light rain and cool temperatures in the service park.

No reports of heavy rain in the stages as yet.

[Finni]

no splits from ss 10 also. I am so ****ked up

[jparker]

FYI

Also announced late Friday afternoon was the addition of a second running of the Mina Clavero-Giulio Césare test, currently the rally's 20th stage, on Sunday. A full schedule of stages for Sunday will be released during leg two. With the addition of the second running of the stage, the statutory requirement will be met that will allow full point scoring for the competitive field.

[GigiGalliNo1]

guessing the French Frog is on stage!?

[Finni]

Isn't wrc.com obliged to pay money back to those people who have payed for split times and don't get splits?

[wrc_flipper]

They're repeating this tape for a two days in a row now. Don't know what the problem is. Anybody?

I think that WRR have pulled out of Argentina in order to cover Jordan on 10/5. Jordan want to have everything in place and tested before next years full WRC event. Jordan have ISC doing the TV coverage and live WRR radio, plus the stage times on WRC+.

Looking at the times differences between Argentina and Jordan, plus the week after Jordan will be Rally d'Italia Sardinia, having quite a few weeks away from home and not a lot of time in between events perhaps Argentina had to be shelved?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Isn't wrc.com obliged to pay money back to those people who have payed for split times and don't get splits?

:@ I believe I should get it back..... but 29.99 of what ever currency I paid in divided by 16 rounds of the WRC is.... 2.00pounds a Rally.

[N.O.T]

Gronholm another 2 secs slower.....

[wrc_flipper]

Isn't wrc.com obliged to pay money back to those people who have payed for split times and don't get splits?

I see splits

[jonkka]

Where?

[Finni]

Is there any free site where splits are visible?

[SubaruNorway]

Wasent there split times for the candidate in Norway aswell. Im not geting the split times only the final time

[jonkka]

? Is it splits or is Sordo out?

[GigiGalliNo1]

splits where? each split or final split!?

[Finni]

I see splits

You mean final split..eh..

[jonkka]

Splits...

[Buzz Lightyear]

ok, but is wilson and companc out on proper SS1?!

[GigiGalliNo1]

are we like playing ping pong here?!
WHERE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL SPLITS SOME ONE SAYS THEY ARE WATCHING?!?!!?

[jonkka]

Looks that way

[GigiGalliNo1]

hrmmm....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ok I see one split on wrc.com thingo....

[jonkka]

Ain't it grand?

[jonkka]

I see two, already!

[GigiGalliNo1]

worth the money i say......................









LoL

[Corny]

how interesting, Loeb fastest again.. Why don't we already give him the price for first place?

[SubaruNorway]

Two splits for Petter now, maybe we will get them later

[jonkka]

And now, nothing... :eek:

[Isthmus]

how interesting, Loeb fastest again.. Why don't we already give him the price for first place?


Why don´t you criticize Subaru and Ford by not being competitive to beat C4/Loeb?

You criticize the best in the field, but not the ones who are no competitive...strange.

[Buzz Lightyear]

how do they get the splits to come up soo randomly like that.... brilliant!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Why don´t you criticize Subaru and Ford by not being competitive to beat C4/Loeb?

You criticize the best in the field, but not the ones who are no competitive...strange.

Perhaps.....ah i have nothing to say lol woops

[Corny]

Why don´t you criticize Subaru and Ford by not being competitive to beat C4/Loeb?

You criticize the best in the field, but not the ones who are no competitive...strange.

We'll see how good C4/Loeb really is next year, on Italian tyres ;)

[wrc_flipper]

how do they get the splits to come up soo randomly like that.... brilliant!

probably a farmer attaching his donkey to the wire again ;)

[Buzz Lightyear]

as long as the farmer didn't attached his wire to the donkey...!

[WRC2006]

We'll see how good C4/Loeb really is next year, on Italian tyres ;)

You are right man!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Would tyres make that big of a difference?

[jonas_mcrae]

Ss12 On

[WRC2006]

Would tyres make that big of a difference?

Of course the tires make a big difference. Especially when the body and everything of the car is built knowing the tires the car will be running with.

Why Subaru did remove almost 30 kg to his new Impreza 07? Just to help the car fit with new tires. Which I expect C4 doing next year on the crap tires.

Didn't you remember time when loeb said that : "....only the tires did help me to win this rally, nothing else..."

And he is the best in WRC in chosing proper tires for his rally.

[Finni]

Hard to see tyres as decisive factor. Afterall Marcus and Petter are both on Michelin also. Altough it could be possible that Bf Goodrich has done tyre developepemt according to how Citroen C4 likes.

Afterall I expect more to see Petter with proper car. If Subaru decodes PSA's mysterious engine/acceleration advantage with their new model (they have had all time and reason to do it) they could be stronger challenge to Loeb than Ford. Ford looses much in acceleration and Subaru even more due to Boxer-engine.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Gotcha's! Thanks :)

[Waldrons11]

I just saw the Eurosport coverage of Day 1 ZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzz.....
´There was an intro of about 5-7 minutes with a very very quick look back at Portugal and the story with the Ford's windows. Then they showed the cars going to Buenos Aires (on trucks) and the drivers flying off. Then the majority of the programme just showed the SSS in Buenos Aires (at least 15 minutes), pretty much exactly like the live coverage.... Then they had a short thing about the failure to get back, and then they showed some runs at the Cordoba SSS. Very boring....

What else were they supposed to show - nothing else happened?!!!!

[jonas_mcrae]

What else were they supposed to show - nothing else happened?!!!!

HAHAHA absolutly true!

[jonkka]

Some people say that less is more.

[N.O.T]

A few years back it was going to be the removal of the active differentiials that would demolish Loeb....

then the new C4......

ow the tyres.....

.....pathetic but amusing also.....

Dreams are free after all....

[WRC2006]

Hard to see tyres as decisive factor. Afterall Marcus and Petter are both on Michelin also. Altough it could be possible that Bf Goodrich has done tyre developepemt according to how Citroen C4 likes. ......
..

I am afraid then why when Loeb fail to set up a good time in any stage, he starts mourning for the tires choice? Does that mean the tires may have almost 50% in total result of any driver?

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!

Michelin and Citroen have a strong relationship since 5 or more years ago. More again, Michelin and Citroen are purely FRENCH. In 2005, Citroen was the only top team running with Michelin while Peugeot did a stupid mistake swicthing on Pirelli. This gave an advantage of Loeb to dominate the WRC in that time.

Maybe we can compare Marcus and Loeb on Michelin but not with Petter because this is his first year on Michelin and he still learning about Michelin.

[jonkka]

Sordo is missing the beat completely.

[Livewireshock]

Gronholm only 0.6 of a second behind Loeb. This is a close event!

[jparker]

Hard to see tyres as decisive factor. Afterall Marcus and Petter are both on Michelin also. Altough it could be possible that Bf Goodrich has done tyre developepemt according to how Citroen C4 likes.


Team Citroen know what they want, that's way they are getting it. It's not decisive advantage overall, but in some casese it could be crutual. In other words, Citroen has put a lot of effort, research, and funds to develop a good tire for its car, and all that will be taken next year. Why?
Because all other teams are loosers and FIA can't afford to keep it this way.

[Finni]

No single driver comment yet. Fine. ****ing fine.

[N.O.T]

Loeb fastest once again so far from the ford kids....just 0.6 from Gronholm though

[GigiGalliNo1]

anything on crash?

[Wim_Impreza]

I am afraid then why when Loeb fail to set up a good time in any stage, he starts mourning for the tires choice? Does that mean the tires may have almost 50% in total result of any driver?

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!

Michelin and Citroen have a strong relationship since 5 or more years ago. More again, Michelin and Citroen are purely FRENCH. In 2005, Citroen was the only top team running with Michelin while Peugeot did a stupid mistake swicthing on Pirelli. This gave an advantage of Loeb to dominate the WRC in that time.

Maybe we can compare Marcus and Loeb on Michelin but not with Petter because this is his first year on Michelin and he still learning about Michelin.

Very good post, respect.

[jparker]

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!



Tires are not decisive factor in rallying. WRC has nothing to do with F1 in terms of tires. Loeb will continue to dominate next year with Pirelli, not because of Loeb, but because they have a better car.

[N.O.T]

Its good to see Solberg to at least be faster than Hirvonen....

[ste898]

If any team threw as much money at WRC as Citroen they would be as good...........its about time the FIA got its finger out of its arse and capped the budgets in line with Subaru and Ford!!!!! Then Citroen be **** on!!

[N.O.T]

Tires are not decisive factor in rallying. WRC has nothing to do with F1 in terms of tires. Loeb will continue to dominate next year with Pirelli, not because of Loeb, but because they have a better car.

I cannot see why the C4 is Better than the FOcus.....

[jparker]

If any team threw as much money at WRC as Citroen they would be as good...........its about time the FIA got its finger out of its arse and capped the budgets in line with Subaru and Ford!!!!! Then Citroen be **** on!!

Agree 100%. But does it have to be that way? If Ford and Subaru wants to be on top, they should pay for it.

[jonkka]

If Ford and Subaru wants to be on top, they should pay for it.

Some say that you can't buy happiness. Or success.

[jparker]

I cannot see why the C4 is Better than the FOcus.....

Well, how can we find this out? Almost imposible. After all, it's the whole package.

[jparker]

Some say that you can't buy happiness. Or success.
True :)
but I guess that's not the case in rallying.

[jonkka]

True :)
but I guess that's not the case in rallying.

It is. Mercedes found it out. Audi as well, in the end.

[WRC2006]

Team Citroen know what they want, that's way they are getting it. It's not decisive advantage overall, but in some casese it could be crutual. In other words, Citroen has put a lot of effort, research, and funds to develop a good tire for its car, and all that will be taken next year. Why?
Because all other teams are loosers and FIA can't afford to keep it this way.

Even Ford knows what they want and I thaught Ford is more investing in rally than any team else. But still no one can break that strong relationship between Citroen and Michelin.

I agree Loeb is a best Driver really, but we should agree that the car and tires is helping him so much.

Did you expect Hirvonen to challenge Loeb and Marcus before coming in Ford? Did you expect Marcus to have the same pace like Like he has today with Peugeot 407? Just to show you that the car and tires have a word in the final result.

[jonkka]

Sordo is going to lose a place

[jonkka]

And did, too.

[WRC2006]

Sordo is still learning according to Citroen. So don't expect anything from him.

[cut the b.s.]

If any team threw as much money at WRC as Citroen they would be as good...........its about time the FIA got its finger out of its arse and capped the budgets in line with Subaru and Ford!!!!! Then Citroen be **** on!!


there are plenty of 1 make series out there if you want to watch 'fair' rallying, and even with matching pockets Citroen would have Loeb, that still wouldnt be fair on the other teams ;-)

[jacko]

What a crap talking always about money.. Loeb is the best driver out there, think it will be the same when he drove for Subaru or Ford. The difference between the top drivers and cars are small but still clear enough. When Makinen won 4 titles it was not with the team with the most money, far from that! Even last year Loeb was the best with a 2005 spec. car against the 2006 Ford's..
I really hope Loeb will have some little bad luck because it's a bit boring these days...

[JAM]

I am afraid then why when Loeb fail to set up a good time in any stage, he starts mourning for the tires choice? Does that mean the tires may have almost 50% in total result of any driver?

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!

Michelin and Citroen have a strong relationship since 5 or more years ago. More again, Michelin and Citroen are purely FRENCH. In 2005, Citroen was the only top team running with Michelin while Peugeot did a stupid mistake swicthing on Pirelli. This gave an advantage of Loeb to dominate the WRC in that time.

Maybe we can compare Marcus and Loeb on Michelin but not with Petter because this is his first year on Michelin and he still learning about Michelin.

BFGoodrich / Citroen could have a kind of relationship as Renault had with Michelin in F1. This year we see the Renault value with Bridgestone... maybe next year we see the value of Citroen with Pirelli. But in 2008 maybe PSA would decide to reduce the investmente in motorpsort and then the lack of money will be the reason for less perfomance :D

French conspiration theory :D

[Isthmus]

Sordo is still learning according to Citroen. So don't expect anything from him.


Talking about the money, Guy Frenquelin sad that the original program to Sordo in 2007 was drive a Xsara like he did last year to learn, and engage an experient driver to be a number2 C4 to win the constructor title! But, Frenquelin sad, they had no money to do that...! So, Sordo has to keep learning as well gaining points...he sad Sordo has to learn faster!
Ford for example, has 2 Stobard Fords, wich at least Latvala is learning and being more competitive.
So, why do you say that Citroën has more money than the others teams? Where are the links/sources to suport that?
All i know is that Citroën has around half of the money they had in 2005.

[N.O.T]

Loeb once again......Nice fight between SOlberg and Gronholm...Sordo off the p[ace

[Isthmus]

BFGoodrich / Citroen could have a kind of relationship as Renault had with Michelin in F1. This year we see the Renault value with Bridgestone... maybe next year we see the value of Citroen with Pirelli. But in 2008 maybe PSA would decide to reduce the investmente in motorpsort and then the lack of money will be the reason for less perfomance :D

French conspiration theory :D

Talking about F1...Toyota has, by far, more money to send in F1 and get results...and after a few years there "learning", not even a single race they won.

[ste898]

Yep Loeb out in front again......once it gets to the usual 40+ seconds I switch off and dont bother looking again

[dyfi1]

Talking about F1...Toyota has, by far, more money to send in F1 and get results...and after a few years there "learning", not even a single race they won.

Good. Maybe they`ll see the error of their ways, and come back to wrc ;)

[Isthmus]

Good. Maybe they`ll see the error of their ways, and come back to wrc ;)

It would be really nice :)
But i doubt it.

[White Sauron]

Splits are back!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Good. Maybe they`ll see the error of their ways, and come back to wrc ;)

They might invest in the thing called IRC.......

[GunsofNavarone]

Good. Maybe they`ll see the error of their ways, and come back to wrc ;)

Their NASCAR program isn't doing that well either. They have found some success in the sport's lower tier racing, but most experts predict a fate similar to that of their F1 program.

[GigiGalliNo1]

The only thing theyre good at is in the Australian Champs....with an S2000 car and a Prototype Grp N car!

[jparker]

Does anyone know what happened to K. Sohlberg?
I don't see him after SS11

[N.O.T]

Loeb again faster than Gronholm...2.2 seconds this time...lets see if Solberg has some answers

[N.O.T]

Solberg much slower....Sordo regains his position from Atko

[Bluewaves620]

latvala good time for SS14 6min 19 sec

[Bluewaves620]

loeb first, gronholm +15 8, solberg + 25 2, hirvonen +41 4, then sordo, atkinson, latvala

[Bluewaves620]

nothing about k. sohlberg, in radio they said he had not reach end of SS but im not sure which one :(
anyway, is not in the times when they say

[Fischer]

Hey what happend to Peugeot, haven't hear anything about their WRC return (will there be a return?).

[GigiGalliNo1]

Hey what happend to Peugeot, haven't hear anything about their WRC return (will there be a return?).

Where have you been for the past 3 years?!

[COD]

Blaah, again another Loeb dominated rally, how boring is this? But must say he is one great driver :up:

And all in all, everything is same as allways, no real big surprises. Petter's better pace shows how useless Mikko really is compared to the absolute top names. Latvala not impressive at all, an Henning absolutely useless.

Atkinson might get up there when he gets more familiar with Prevot

[Bluewaves620]

mmm i think Atkinson should be careful with Latvala....

[WRC2006]

BFGoodrich / Citroen could have a kind of relationship as Renault had with Michelin in F1. This year we see the Renault value with Bridgestone... maybe next year we see the value of Citroen with Pirelli. But in 2008 maybe PSA would decide to reduce the investmente in motorpsort and then the lack of money will be the reason for less perfomance :D

French conspiration theory :D


Good post with a relevant example!!!

Renault is struggling with the new tires and this is the same case with all the team who have been on Michelin tires last year. That is why Ferrari is dominating with a little adavantage to other teams.

[jonas_mcrae]

wow that guy Villagra is kicking all the other gropu N's ass

[N.O.T]

What is really amazing is that all of todays stages are run just once....yet Loeb still manages to be faster....

[WRC2006]

Talking about F1...Toyota has, by far, more money to send in F1 and get results...and after a few years there "learning", not even a single race they won.

Have you seen an International Team winning something for long time?

International Team I mean, a team with many differents culture and with diffrent people from around the world. This is the same case with Subaru now. Hope I don't upset

1st Driver : Norway
Co-driver : UK
2nd Driver : Australia
Co-driver : Belgium
Team Boss : UK
Principal Engineer : Japan
Principal Marketing : Japan
Rally Operations Director : UK
Director of Engineering : Australia
Chief Designer : France
Chief Engineer Test and Development : Belgium
Senior Rally Event Engineer : France
Car make : Japan
Tire : France
Team in WRC : UK

This is without naming the full team members!!! This plus all changes hapened in last years?

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France

I think this can hav an impact as well n the performance of any team.

[jparker]

wow that guy Villagra is kicking all the other gropu N's ass

Yep, Ligato as well.
I guess the predictions of our Argentinian fellow members were correct, except Pozzo

[gloomyDAY]

I'm glad to see that Petter is actually in the running for a podium finish. I haven't been a fan of rally for a long time (watched Petter on SPEED in 2005) and have been stuck on the sport ever since. Last year was crushing but this rally might be the spark for Subaru to get things back on track.

Unfortunately, the same old deal in regards to the front runners and organization. When I went to Rally Mexico there was a lot of chaos, but I think Argentina takes the cake for the most flubbed rally of the year.

WRC feels as if it's dying, in its last throes. Anyone else with me?

Damn, I'm being pessimistic. I wish all the drivers the best!

[Viktory]

What else were they supposed to show - nothing else happened?!!!!

I guess you're right :p I was kind of hoping that they would show a re-run of an older Argentina rally, but I guess that's too much to ask.

[Bluewaves620]

1st car on SS15

[GigiGalliNo1]

1st car on SS15

Oh the rally is still on?

[jonkka]

Lack of posts in this thread proves how people lack interest... Can't blame them, though

[bt52b]

Have you seen an International Team winning something for long time?

International Team I mean, a team with many differents culture and with diffrent people from around the world. This is the same case with Subaru now. Hope I don't upset

1st Driver : Norway
Co-driver : UK
2nd Driver : Australia
Co-driver : Belgium
Team Boss : UK
Principal Engineer : Japan
Principal Marketing : Japan
Rally Operations Director : UK
Director of Engineering : Australia
Chief Designer : France
Chief Engineer Test and Development : Belgium
Senior Rally Event Engineer : France
Car make : Japan
Tire : France
Team in WRC : UK

This is without naming the full team members!!! This plus all changes hapened in last years?

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France

I think this can hav an impact as well n the performance of any team.

So Ferrari an Italian team, was wrong to have a German driver, French team manager, English Technical Director, English Designer etc... or Japanese Mitsubishi with Tommi from Finland and team manager from Scotland. :vader:

The best people make the best team. Doesn't matter who they are or where they come from.

[GigiGalliNo1]

So Ferrari an Italian team, was wrong to have a German driver, French team manager, English Technical Director, English Designer etc... or Japanese Mitsubishi with Tommi from Finland and team manager from Scotland. :vader:

The best people make the best team. Doesn't matter who they are or where they come from.

How true you are sir!

[Bluewaves620]

loeb 12 m 50s 7
gronholm 12m 48s 1
hirvonen 13m 5s 9

[bt52b]

Have Subaru a big test before the next WRC in Sardinia? Looks like they need one :(

[Isthmus]

Have you seen an International Team winning something for long time?

International Team I mean, a team with many differents culture and with diffrent people from around the world. This is the same case with Subaru now. Hope I don't upset

1st Driver : Norway
Co-driver : UK
2nd Driver : Australia
Co-driver : Belgium
Team Boss : UK
Principal Engineer : Japan
Principal Marketing : Japan
Rally Operations Director : UK
Director of Engineering : Australia
Chief Designer : France
Chief Engineer Test and Development : Belgium
Senior Rally Event Engineer : France
Car make : Japan
Tire : France
Team in WRC : UK

This is without naming the full team members!!! This plus all changes hapened in last years?

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France

I think this can hav an impact as well n the performance of any team.

Its a pertinent question, but we must see that Citroën is competing it self with Citroën Sport department. Subaru and Ford have someone doing the job so, its not that strange seeing that.

About the tire, you are forgetting about what appened in 2005 with Peugeot. We must have present that Peugeot owns Citroën, even if their Sport departments are independent. But Citroën doesn´t do anything if Peugeot doesn´t give the OK! So, why would Peugeot turn to Pirelli, if Michelin was doing any "special" help to Citroën? Of course Peugeot would want to benefit of that "help" too! For me, its non sense saying that Citroëns advantage its because of any "help" from BF.

Will Citroën struggle with Pirelli? I don´t know, perhaps...but Ford has to change too.

[White Sauron]

Oh... Mikko(((

[Bluewaves620]

sordo 13m 10s 6
solberg petter 13m 0s 0

[Bluewaves620]

henning 13m 7s 5

[Bluewaves620]

atkinson 13m 13s 8
latvala 13m 8s 4 ;)

[jonkka]

Where do you get times so fast, BW620?

[GigiGalliNo1]

indeed???

time for some sleeepp!! dream of a better wrc haha

[Bluewaves620]

stohl 13m 19s 3
i get on the radio ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

which radio!?

[Gillfoto]

Nice quality work and some interesting compostions, thanks off to my desktop!

pejda


Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Prague, Czech rep.
Posts: 64


Some pictures from shakedown: http://www.ewrc-media.com/images/fotky.php?co=218&a=pl

[ste898]

Blaah, again another Loeb dominated rally, how boring is this? But must say he is one great driver :up:

And all in all, everything is same as allways, no real big surprises. Petter's better pace shows how useless Mikko really is compared to the absolute top names. Latvala not impressive at all, an Henning absolutely useless.

Atkinson might get up there when he gets more familiar with Prevot

I cannot understand how you can call Hirvonen useless he is a brilliant driver and better than that 'sordo'

[Bluewaves620]

N4
arai 14m 25s 5
baldacci 14m 40s
al-attiyah 14m 21s 8

[ste898]

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France


Also my friend you forgot FIA French!!!!!!! which can explain some things?

[Bluewaves620]

im listening to a radio from Cordoba (im argentinian) , good coverage they do.

[René]

which radio!?

http://www.am970.com.ar/

But in spanish !

[GigiGalliNo1]

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France


Also my friend you forgot FIA French!!!!!!! which can explain some things?

So you are also saying that the FIA are giving Citröen an advantage?! How...?

[Bluewaves620]

ligato 14m 15s 1
villagra 14m 29s 9

[Bluewaves620]

yes Rene, u r right ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

good night guys and girls!! well good morning actually 2 am :p

[Isthmus]

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France


Also my friend you forgot FIA French!!!!!!! which can explain some things?


What things? Citroën has been banished from Rali Raid/Dakar in 97(after a total dominance in years), because FIA forbade the use of prototypes.... a few years later, there was Mitsubishi racing with prototypes. In 2002 Fia took a victory from Citroën with 2min punish, just because of an time ilegal tire change. Citroën didn´t gain any advantage with that change on the road.
So, why should FIA help Citroën now? And, help Citroën in what?

[Wim_Impreza]

What things? Citroën has been banished from Rali Raid/Dakar in 97(after a total dominance in years), because FIA forbade the use of prototypes.... a few years later, there was Mitsubishi racing with prototypes. In 2002 Fia took a victory from Citroën with 2min punish, just because of an time ilegal tire change. Citroën didn´t gain any advantage with that change on the road.
So, why should FIA help Citroën now? And, help Citroën in what?

2 minutes were just ridiculous. They lost only one place and they were very lucky with that. Disqualification was the right thing that the FIA must do.

[kakus]

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France


Also my friend you forgot FIA French!!!!!!! which can explain some things?

And then?
why Michelin are not any more in F1
Why BF will not be any more in WRC
It is the war between Michelin and FIA
French peoples are always was good in the mechanical sports. Thats all

[Waldrons11]

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France


Also my friend you forgot FIA French!!!!!!! which can explain some things?

Actually Elena is from Monaco!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Bring on the Italians!!!! (pirelli :p )

[Isthmus]

2 minutes were just ridiculous. They lost only one place and they were very lucky with that. Disqualification was the right thing that the FIA must do.

So why everyone criticized FIA because of the 5min penalty they gave to Ford? They must have been all disqualified right?
And FIA didn´t took just 2 min.....FIA took the VICTORY from Citroën.

[Wim_Impreza]

So why everyone criticized FIA because of the 5min penalty they gave to Ford? They must have been all disqualified right?
And FIA didn´t took just 2 min.....FIA took the VICTORY from Citroën.

All the Ford's with a penalty in Portugal should be disqualified, but Loeb in Monte-Carlo 2002 also.

[jonkka]

Marti 100? I miss two, unless those are 2WD champ events.

[GigiGalliNo1]

And I wonder which position Gigi would be in today!?

[Brother John]

Good afthernoon! :p
Do we have more rally today?

PS. I´m also a member from WRASSS! ;)

[jonkka]

And I wonder which position Gigi would be in today!?

Upside down in a ditch?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Good afthernoon! :p
Do we have more rally today?



Oh welcome!! What time do you have?! Me nearly 3am!


Upside down in a ditch?

Thanks.....I don't believe that! :p haha

[Brother John]

Oh welcome!! What time do you have?! Me nearly 3am!

It´s 20.35 here! I was the hole day outside in my garden! :D

[A.F.F.]

Oh, they ARE driving today :eek: ?????

Good evening folks :wave:

[Brother John]

Oh, they ARE driving today :eek: ?????

Good evening folks :wave:

Where are they! :confused:

[White Sauron]

Oh, they ARE driving today :eek: ?????

Good evening folks :wave:

Hyvaa... yota...)) Kuinka menee?

[Bluewaves620]

they are in SS 16

[Bluewaves620]

sorry WRC starting SS17 amboy - santa monica, sordo just started

[Brother John]

;) http://www.autosportforum.be/image.php?u=33&dateline=1173993177 I want to see this with the C4! :p

[Bluewaves620]

loeb 10m 19s 4

[Bluewaves620]

gronholm 10m 23s 7 , he said he tried and tried to reach loeb, in every way but couldnt

[jonkka]

Must be frustrating

[jonkka]

BW news & result service is the fastest...

[Bluewaves620]

sordo 10m 36s 1 ... i missed hirvonen time :(

[Brother John]

Rally was always and will be always frustrating! :( :confused:
But I still love It! ;) :D

[jonkka]

Petter?

[swordsman]

Petter?

Yeah, good question... Petter?

[COD]

I cannot understand how you can call Hirvonen useless he is a brilliant driver and better than that 'sordo'

Useless compared to the top three drivers I said.

I think there are half a dozen drivers even in Finland who could do the same with that car than Mikko is.

[Bluewaves620]

atkinson said he has some technical problems and he is trying to keep on the way. his time 10m 59s

[jonkka]

I think there are half a dozen drivers even in Finland who could do the same with that car than Mikko is.

Yet, they aren't. End of story.

[Bluewaves620]

im waiting for p. solberg time.... maybe i missed...

here some pictures sent by fans
http://www.cadena3.com/deportes/rally2007_concursos.asp

[COD]

Yet, they aren't. End of story.


Only because they are not managed by Jouhki. Maybe it is time talented drivers from some other "team" get the chance. Look what happened when Grönholm came from outside Jouhki mafia

[COD]

Yeah, good question... Petter?

The Subaru reliability again? Sad that they can not mix speed and reliability

[Bluewaves620]

henning also arrived 10m 33s 3.... dont know about petter

[mcmarteau]

loeb again eh! im a big fan of loeb and citroen, but if both carry on winning, WRC wont be too exciting-this reminds me of makinen/mitsubishi back in the days where i nearly gave up interest in WRC

[mcmarteau]

what kind of rubbish is playing on wrc radio? where are the live commentary it looks like its all pre-recorded ****e...

[jonkka]

Maybe because it IS pre-recorded.

[mcmarteau]

why, no more live commentary now?

[KKS]

Petter retired?

[Bluewaves620]

something must have happened cause he not even appear in WRC results website

[bt52b]

why, no more live commentary now?

It all went pear shaped yesterday, and there will be none for the rest of the rally except the SSS's :vader:

Complete and utter shambles :vader:

Would have thought they would have been capable of running something from HQ :confused:

[Bluewaves620]

petter is in the middle of SS17, subaru has not precision yet about what happened to him,

[jidoka]

Only because they are not managed by Jouhki. Maybe it is time talented drivers from some other "team" get the chance. Look what happened when Grönholm came from outside Jouhki mafia

Who/what is "Jouhki"?

[Robert Niestroj]

Manager of some Finnish Rally Drivers

[Bluewaves620]

he is stopped 11kms after the start of SS17, they even gave the info in english for some foreign fans who are asking about.

[bt52b]

petter is in the middle of SS17, subaru has not precision yet about what happened to him,

After split 2 and before split 3.

[Glee]

Petter retired?

This might be a suprise for you: Engine trouble...

[Bluewaves620]

who are examples of finnish drivers managed by "jouhki" ?

[Roy]

After split 2 and before split 3.


wrc.com: Midway through the leg's penultimate stage, third overall Petter Solberg is forced to stop with engine woes

[Bluewaves620]

petter: aparently gearbox problem ..

[pantealex]

Timo Jouhki manager of Hirvonen,Latvala,Mäkinen,Kankkunen,Rovanperä,Garde maister

[bt52b]

Solberg has engine troubles, not sure if he can continue

[Robert Niestroj]

who are examples of finnish drivers managed by "jouhki" ?

I think JM Latvala and Mikko Hirvonen are his proteges.

[Bluewaves620]

broken engine for petter solberg...

[Roy]

Timo Jouhki manager of Hirvonen,Latvala,Mäkinen,Kankkunen,Rovanperä,Garde maister

Are you sure about the last 2? I am 95% sure Garde has another manager.
The first 2 are ok!

[Robert Niestroj]

Are you sure about the last 2? I am 95% sure Garde has another manager.
The first 2 are ok!

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Jouhki

[Bluewaves620]

and now guys... soon drivers will be in the corner of my house in connecting trip... ;)

[A.F.F.]

What happened to Kristian Sohlberg? I haven't really followed this rally.

[Robert Niestroj]

What happened to Kristian Sohlberg? I haven't really followed this rally.

I think engine failure.

[pantealex]

Garde was before factory driving working for Jouhki as driver in his audi A8

[Bluewaves620]

what about rovanperä? i read something in his website he is driving a finnish competition... mmm i cant read finnish :S
i liked him on peugeot 206

[Bluewaves620]

rovanperä is good driver, but after 206 he drove not so good cars. he could have helped to improve mitsubishi, but they quite WRC

[Bluewaves620]

k. solhberg is still on the results

loeb and gronholm are running SS18

[Robert Niestroj]

rovanperä is good driver, but after 206 he drove not so good cars. he could have helped to improve mitsubishi, but they quite WRC

Rovanperä was driving too long on the opinion of Sweden 2001 ...

[pantealex]

Harri is driving rallycross with rear wheel drive Focus

[COD]

what about rovanperä? i read something in his website he is driving a finnish competition... mmm i cant read finnish :S
i liked him on peugeot 206

He is driving the finnish rallycross series this year with a (rear wheel drive ) Focus

[COD]

k. solhberg is still on the results




Superrally

[Bluewaves620]

sorry for my ignorance but.. that rallycross dont need co driver? i see risto is co driving k solhberg. or maybe he changed?

[A.F.F.]

Superrally
Cross = SRC = No Mercy :D

[gloomyDAY]

broken engine for petter solberg...
Mother fu****......... :angryfire

[Bluewaves620]

SS18

loeb 12m 56s 5
gronholm 12m 56s 3

[SubaruNorway]

Shocking news!!

A 50 year old woman was killed when Gonzalo Alenaz went of the road http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=167819

[Bluewaves620]

yes, it was in a connection part, it seems the car got something broken and lost control. then the car hit some people who were walking and sadly this woman died :( :(

[pantealex]

rallycross is like motocross, short track and many cars same time on track and many laps in one heat. http://www.rallycross.com/ in english

[jonkka]

Wassup, Sordo +2m?

[jonkka]

Ford has got 2-3-4-5 at the moment...

[Bluewaves620]

hirvonen 13m 7s 6
henning solberg 14m 52s 7
atkinson 13m 23s 5 (not happy with the pace, maybe new co driver?)
latvala 13m 9s 2

[pantealex]

Finland has got 2-3-4 at the moment...

[Bluewaves620]

thanks pantealex !!
latvala now is 4th
(sordo had said something about the direction, and he sounded worried)

[A.F.F.]

I don't know much about anything but I do know that my pickems once again seem to go totally up to my ass. :mark:

[COD]

I don't know much about anything but I do know that my pickems once again seem to go totally up to my ass. :mark:


Mine have done it so many allready that I don't bother to worry about them anymore... :s ad:

[COD]

News on Kristian Sohlberg: Hit a bank? on stage, damaged steering arm and upright. Changed the steering arm but the upright was so much damaged that it boke and was forced to retire. Starts super rally tomorrow if there is chance to score a point, otherwise not.

Other news from Finnish TV: Jarmo Mahonen, head of Neste rally says that they have plans to run a stage in Helsinki city center in 2008, but on stadium but on streets of the city

[Glee]

Finland has got 2-3-4 at the moment...

And Ford has 2-3-4-5!

[COD]

Gr.N (or PCWRC) is more interesting than WRC. Top three within 20secs.

I wonder why Dorossinsky in so slow. Expectec more of him, as he did well in finnish championship last year. White Sauron, do you have more on him?

[White Sauron]

Gr.N (or PCWRC) is more interesting than WRC. Top three within 20secs.

I wonder why Dorossinsky in so slow. Expectec more of him, as he did well in finnish championship last year. White Sauron, do you have more on him?

It's easy. Suomen roads, especially in Karjala, are very similar to roads of russian north-west rallies, where he grew as a driver. But on such rallies like Argentina, he just has much less experience compared to other P-WRC drivers.

[WRC2006]

So Ferrari an Italian team, was wrong to have a German driver, French team manager, English Technical Director, English Designer etc... or Japanese Mitsubishi with Tommi from Finland and team manager from Scotland. :vader:

The best people make the best team. Doesn't matter who they are or where they come from.

Hope you heard what happened to Subaru now?!

Sorry I don't want to offence anyone and I don't blame any person because of where he/she is coming from. But sometimes diversities is a big problem to handle. Ferrari is an exception to the rule.

I agree with your best example. But Ferrari is another class and you know that Ferrari has been beaten by French Team Renault in 2005 and 2006.

[WRC2006]

But have a look of Citroen :

1st Driver : France
Co-driver : France
Team Boss : France
Car make : France
Tire : France
Manufacturer : France
Base/Location : France


Also my friend you forgot FIA French!!!!!!! which can explain some things?


Thanks mate, you are right!!!!

[TMorel]

I still can't see anything on the WRC or Rally Argentina websites regarding Alenaz and the alleged fatal accident.
Even if they can't go into details as it's an ongoing investigation, you'd have thought there'd be some kind of acknowledgement - otherwise it seems as if the sport doesnt care - we can't get the locals to fill a stadium as it is.

[Carlo]

Nice to see Andrew Hawkeswood & Jeff Judd quietly working their way up through the field in a (very) well used Evo VII. This is Andrew's first visit to this rally and he was one of the competitors who had his car unloaded and customs cleared something like 25 or 30 minutes prior to the rally start.

Not really the best pre-event preparation for an event such as this.

[bt52b]

Hope you heard what happened to Subaru now?!

Sorry I don't want to offence anyone and I don't blame any person because of where he/she is coming from. But sometimes diversities is a big problem to handle. Ferrari is an exception to the rule.

I agree with your best example. But Ferrari is another class and you know that Ferrari has been beaten by French Team Renault in 2005 and 2006.

You are mostly right, but Renault F1, had an Italian manager, Spanish driver, English race team, English chassis, French engine, French tyres, Japanese sponsors :D

[bt52b]

Shocking news!!

A 50 year old woman was killed when Gonzalo Alenaz went of the road http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=167819

What stage was that. WRC.com haven't reported it?