Dakar 2017

[Zeakiwi]

Prokop has pictures of a Ford Raptor T1? on his FB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kTxXhSFitk

[Grant_RSA]

This is a surprise,

Toyota going 2 wheel drive.

http://www.motorsportmedia.co.za/article.asp?conID=4299

[Zeakiwi]

I wonder how much is mind games. Has Dakar ever been won with a forward engine 2wd vehicle?
http://blog.toyota.co.uk/toyota-hilux-evo-dakar-2017

[Grant_RSA]

Been trying to see where the engine is mounted from all the pics,

Whatever the configuration, knowing Glynn Hall he does everything for a reason and I have no doubt it will be very competitive.

At least it still looks like a Hilux, unlike some present cars (Buggies)

[Mirek]

From the article: The engine and transmission are relocated between the axles.

Since it's big V8 I don't think it can be placed in front behind the front axle but maybe I am wrong.

[Zeakiwi]

Probably not overly difficult to move the v8 engine in the spaceframe Hilux. Hopefully Dakar does not have a mud bath day, like this year.
The Toyota V8 engine is used in the NZV8 Toyota Camry space frame 2wd rear drive touring cars. The engine is well back with a TTI sequential gearbox coupled to it.
http://pitcrewdesign.co.nz/the-new-kids-on-the-block-86-vs-nzv8-camry/
http://australiancar.reviews/2UR-GSE-engine.php
Toyota are also getting back into desert racing in the US with former Dakar driver BJ Baldwin - V8 and rear wheel drive
http://score-international.com/video-ballistic-bj-baldwin-test-driving-his-new-toyota-trophy-truck/

http://global.yamaha-motor.com/jp/profile/technical/publish/no44/pdf/gs06.pdf

[Grant_RSA]

They are quoted as saying "Atkinson Cycle V8 engine" from Lexus, is this the same power unit you are talking about?

[Zeakiwi]

Is this Peugeot 3008 DKR real or a photoshop?
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/09/12/se-filtran-las-primeras-imagenes-del-peugeot-3008-dkr-para-el-dakar/

[TWRC]

Is this Peugeot 3008 DKR real or a photoshop?
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/09/12/se-filtran-las-primeras-imagenes-del-peugeot-3008-dkr-para-el-dakar/
I think Peugeot will continue to have it as a 2008, but since it's a silhouette car, it wouldn't be hard to rebrand it to a 3008.
On a different note, a couple of weeks ago there was an interview with Jean-Claude Vaucard on rallye-sport.fr: http://www.rallye-sport.fr/jean-claude-vaucard-legende-sport-auto/
He said that Peugeot hired him again after the 2015 Dakar. He was there for a month, and gave them a list of what to change on the car. They did 80% of that for 2016 and they won; the rest is supposed to come this year. After all, not too surprising given the fact he had a lot to do with the 205 T16, Xsara Kit Car, Xsara WRC, C4 WRC and VW Race Touareg 2...

Edit: looks like I was wrong, it will be 3008 this year.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14358824_1236490413048132_739781347610879064_n.jpg ?oh=ebd24b2393e5236100261a1349cb7892&oe=5841FAB8

[pantealex]

New 3008 road car is city-offroader.

[MitFan]

So looks like Peugeot is the team to beat in 2017!!

However we must bear in mind that for them they are down 1mm on the air restrictor from last dakar.
Mini will have the same if that is what they are going to race in for 2017.
Toyota will go 1mm up from what I gather.

It is left to be seen what the organizers have in mind with the rout. i.e. will it favour 4WD or 2WD in comparison with last year...??

Any thoughts?

[Grant_RSA]

Looking at budget and driver lineup Peugeot has to be the favorites,

I am unashamedly biased towards Toyota, i know the team and the drivers and really hope the direction they have taken is a winning one, Giniel de Villiers and Nasser are proven race winners,a dark horse will be Leeroy Poulter, he is crazy fast and talented, when it all comes together he will raise a lot of eyebrows.

I havnt seen what a possible Mini lineup will be, all the big names are either in Pug or Toyota.

The route is a mystery....

[Oppositelock]

The biggest - and decisive - question will be the route. If still the major parts are at high altitude, nothing will beat a turbodiesel. In theory offroad would be better for the buggys (Peugeot, Toyota). But in 2016 the Peugeots - especially Loeb - were faster than the Minis even on WRC like roads (as long as they were really pushing).

To sum it up: In 2017 my money will be on Loeb.

[MitFan]

Diesel or Petrol would matter I guess when it comes to altitude but Grant is right when it comes to whether it is 2WD or 4WD might not really matter with today's regulations. In fact all indications are the 2WD buggies may have a all round advantage

If am not mistaken the Petrols have been granted the additional 1mm for the air restrictor to address the altitude disadvantage. They have a minimum weight advantage too this time around.

If I remember right, the Petrols air restrictor was progressively brought down to 31mm a decade ago. The diesels have remained constant at 38mm. As such I too have a gut feeling that this might be the year of the Toyotas with the Diesels and Petrols both standing at 38mm. When it comes to budget there is no regulation yet right?

[Grant_RSA]

http://www.carmag.co.za/speed_post/new-toyota-hilux-evo-significantly-faster-giniel/

[MitFan]

Wont be surprised if we see a different body. Looks like a cut and paste job from the 4WD frame to the new one. Dont see any spare wheels either. Best place maybe in the center like the peugeot buggies for best weight distribution.

[MitFan]

Just saw this on Toyota web site:

The Toyota Hilux Evo has a target weight that is nearly 600 kilograms lighter than the current race vehicle, and even though attaining that target is nearly impossible, the new vehicle will certainly have a significantly better power-to-weight ratio.

Hope they can capitalize on the minimum weight advantage to the max before the Dakar!

[Grant_RSA]

From what i understand that is what the car will look like.

Different angles make the car look very different,

Spare wheels have been behind the front doors on the Hilux for the last 2 Dakar's , i suspect they are still there.

Unfortunately i no longer get anywhere near the workshop to go and take a closer look..

[MitFan]

Okay.
There are many ways of achieving a good balance I guess. Yes need to see more angles of the vehicle. Looking forward to see it in action.

[AP-Racing]

Khalid Al-Qassimi deco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O9qr8qIQeU

[MitFan]

http://webdocs.npo.fr/RALLYEMAROC2016/ENTRY-LIST/ENTRY-LIST-FIA.pdf

Toyota with 4WD

[AP-Racing]

New Peugeot 3008 DKR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC2P0b9ZJ9A

[Zeakiwi]

GDV giving the Hilux EVO the beans. Sounds like the 2UR-GSE has had a bit development.
http://tinyurl.com/gwfnhaa

[MitFan]

Toyota with Nasser leading after 2nd leg of Rally Du Maroc!

4WD, 2WD, Diesel, Petrol all pretty close with Mini showing consistent results.

The better pilots will shine!

[AP-Racing]

Toyota with Nasser leading after 2nd leg of Rally Du Maroc!

4WD, 2WD, Diesel, Petrol all pretty close with Mini showing consistent results.

The better pilots will shine!


Peugeot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qv4_bLv7rM

[Mirek]

After many failed attempts Tatra-Buggyra finally managed to get both top Czech truckers together - Loprais (Tománek, Stross) and Kolomý (kilián brothers). Let's see how it works.

http://buggyra.com/admin/files/articles/images/2016/srpen/2_dakar_2017_loprais_kolomy.jpg

[Grant_RSA]

Toyota reverting to 4x4 for 2017 Dakar

http://www.carmag.co.za/speed_post/dakar-u-turn-toyota-to-stick-to-all-wheel-drive-hilux/

[Rally Power]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14064160_10155411821540760_786135334073858581_n.jp g?oh=9a4eba78a4fac20bfe1dcb23b4adeecd&oe=58938D46

Great team spirit from XRaid crews in Portugal. Hirvonen and team mates drove old Minis in an extreme road challenge and are now doing mechanical job for Portuguese driver Ricardo Porem at Baja Portalegre!
https://pt-pt.facebook.com/mikkowrc/

[Rally Power]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14572194_10155420646715760_4712174372894037908_n.j pg?oh=6b2bb0eb8f48474735cd8538db13a980&oe=589E992E

Congrats to Ricardo Porem/Filipe Palmeiro and Xraid team (including the new mechanics!) for a fantastic win at Baja Portalegre. Xavi Pons was 2nd on a Ford Ranger and Nuno Matos 3rd on his Depieres/Opel Proto, becoming Portuguese CC champion.
Classifications: http://bajaportalegre500.dyndns.org/index.php?lang=0&evento=1&local=258&rfr=1&idx=1

[Zeakiwi]

Harry Hunt out of Dakar '17. Was it medical or car damage?
http://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2016/10/hunt-ruled-dakar-2017/ (medical) another article said car damage.

Dumas is a fast support in 5th 3008 for the 4 Musketeers.

[TWRC]

Harry Hunt out of Dakar '17. Was it medical or car damage?
http://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2016/10/hunt-ruled-dakar-2017/ (medical) another article said car damage.

Dumas is a fast support in 5th 3008 for the 4 Musketeers.
I read a bit of both, but mainly his doctor's advice to miss it. But he's planning to do the whole championship next year instead.

[pantealex]

so eight (8) MINI´s from X-Raid, will they have any chance for win ?

[ZequeArgentina]

Yes, Mini mostly with Hirvonen or Yazeed can win.
I still do rate Peugeot as clear candidate, with Naser and Giniel as main competitors

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx2znLbWQAAlpZG.jpg

[dimviii]

http://sport360.com/article/motorsport/uae-motorsport/202607/abu-dhabi-racer-sheikh-khalid-al-qassimi-khalid-will-compete-for-peugeot-sport-in-iconic-dakar-rally-next-year/

[Rally Power]

Dakar route (more high altitudes legs) and entry list:
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2017/us/route.html
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2017/us/rider/rider-list-bikes.html

[Zeakiwi]

Kamaz to suspend future Dakar entries?
http://tass.com/sport/917757

I see Conrad R is in a Toyota for Dakar, let's hope Loeb does not get in the way.

[Grant_RSA]

Conrad has done a few local events in South Africa in Leeroy Poulter's absence, with Leeroy's navigator Rob Howie (Engineer at Hallspeed) in the hotseat, the car is likely and un-official 3rd Toyota Gazoo entry.... water carrier for Nasser and Giniel?

[MitFan]

How about Nani Roma?
Isn't he in the 3rd Toyota?

[Zeakiwi]

How about Nani Roma?
Isn't he in the 3rd Toyota?

Nani Roma has a contract with OverDrive/ Belgium?

[Grant_RSA]

Roma is with Overdrive.... i know Hallspeed and Overdrive work together at Dakar,

This is Conrad's car being loaded for transport from Hallspeed.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=379352725737732&set=pcb.10154315564548883&type=3&theater

[Zeakiwi]

What's up with the tyres on the Hilux, different tread on one side, I thought they could only run one type of tyre at Dakar?

[Grant_RSA]

What's up with the tyres on the Hilux, different tread on one side, I thought they could only run one type of tyre at Dakar?

Didnt even notice that, likely just old tyres used for transport, if you look at the rest of the pics on that album you will see the cars are broken down quite a lot before shipment.

[Grant_RSA]

Some interesting insights on the Toyota Gazoo South Africa Team,

http://www.motorsportmedia.co.za/article.asp?conID=11563

[Mirek]

After day 1

Cars:
1. Al-Attiyah (Toyota) 25:41
2. Pons (Ford) +0:24
3. Roma (Toyota) +0:29
4. Sainz (Peugeot) +0:33
5. De Villiers (Toyota) +0:41
6. Loeb (Peugeot) +0:55

Bikes:
1. Pedrero García (Sherco) 28:22
2. Brabec (Honda) +0:12
3. Metge (Honda) +0:16
4. Goncalves (Honda) +0:26
5. Sunderland (KTM) +0:27
6. Barreda Bort (Honda) +0:30

Trucks:
1. Kolomý (Tatra) 30:00
2. Van Genugten (Iveco) +0:13
3. Van De Brink (Renault) +0:25
4. Loprais (Tatra) +0:31
5. De Rooy (Iveco) +0:42
6. Nikolaev (Kamaz) +0:50

Buggies, quads and more for example here: http://trackingdakar.nl/

Video Tatra Buggyra day 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLH0Av5DXFbhcXTGoTF6Bn4wHOTS3Id8ym&v=89xzyGHVaUA

There are no subtitles so at least one quote from Kolomý: "I appreciate these roads. If the whole Dakar is going to be like this there will be only fifteen crews in finish."

[focus206]

I like how in the official website they uploaded pictures of all the competitors' veichles in black and white, who thought it was a good idea?? Absurd...
Anyway, let's hope it'll be a nice competition.

[Mirek]

Frankly I finally lost my patience with the official website. The live timing is so strange and confusing that I follow nearly only the Dutch site and some tweets.

[N.O.T]

Loeb takes the lead after ss02 by 30 secs... but this means nothing since hamburger boy can still lead him into a sticky situation like last year.

[dimviii]

Frankly I finally lost my patience with the official website. The live timing is so strange and confusing that I follow nearly only the Dutch site and some tweets.

yes its useless,while I was trying for half an hour to see results and could find till wp5 ,suddenly planetmarcus twitter had twitted complete stage2 results from same site.
you have to try to confuss somebody, with just a result site.

[dimviii]

Martin Prokop ‏@ProkopOfficial 43s
44 seconds ago

Translate from Romanian
Dramaric route to bivuoac @dakar #dakar #goshrek #martinprokop #dakar2017 #stage2
15th on Stage2 and 15th O/A but problems withe engine during the whole stage. Big troubles... @dakar #martinprokop #keepthefingerscrossed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1Rfi9XVEAADBU1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1RflHwVQAEuoyc.jpg

[Loose_Unit]

what is the best site to follow results on? I too have lost patience with the official site after the second day! The results page is atrocious

[dimviii]

http://trackingdakar.nl/waypoints.php?type=A

[br21]

maybe someone found some good pics of engine/engine bay of new peugeots?

[dimviii]

have you ever seen such a 360 degrees video? Amazing! you can watch at every angle you want.

https://youtu.be/A76lngU-T1Q

[Mirek]

After day 2

Cars:
1. Loeb (Peugeot) 2:33:31
2. Al Attiyah (Toyota) +0:28
3. Sainz (Peugeot) +1:56
4. De Villiers (Toyota) +2:05
5. Roma (Toyota) +2:56
6. Al Rahji (Mini) +5:12

Bikes:
1. Price (KTM) 3:07:17
2. Goncalves (Honda) +2:54
3. Sunderland (KTM) +3:23
4. De Soultrait (Yamaha) +3:41
5. Quintanilla (Husquarna) +4:26
6. Brabec (Honda) +4:29

Trucks:
1. Van De Brink (Renault) 3:07:33
2. Sotnikov (Kamaz) +3:09
3. Kolomý (Tatra) +3:11
4. De Rooy (Iveco) +3:20
5. Versluis (Man) +3:29
6. Viazovich (Maz) +4:03

Each truck in top 6 of different brand!

Quads, buggies on www.trackingdakar.nl

[Mirek]

Video Tatra Buggyra (only in Czech but with some nice shots): https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLH0Av5DXFbhcXTGoTF6Bn4wHOTS3Id8ym&v=QFAOSe1iAq4

Short summary - Leg 2 led nearly all straight, most of the time on speed limit. Both Tatras had issues with non-functional speed limiter and had to drive carefully to keep the speed within the limit manually without penalties. Also reported a lot of overtaking of slower buggies.

[EstWRC]

Nasser has caught Loeb already at WP1, Loeb lost 3.58 but has taken back 30 secs in WP2


Estonian Toomas Triisa is leading his class malle-moto at the moment on stage 3 :)

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs231K71Bnu5295_x0MB5Pg/videos

this channel shows some decent footage

[EstWRC]

Loeb has taken 2 minutes back from Nasser in Wp5

[dimviii]

Peterhansel faster at wp5
http://www.trackingdakar.nl/waypoints.php?type=A

[EstWRC]

Loeb again giving a minute away for Nasser in WP6.

[dimviii]

Loeb again giving a minute away for Nasser in WP6.

if you watch all competitors wp times Nasser was faster from everybody about a minute+- .Even Peterhansel lost 2 minutes from Nasser

edit only Mikko and Sainz was slower just 17-18 sec from Nasser

[Mirek]

Troubles for De Rooy?

[MartijnS]

Yes, problems with the automatic tire pressure system I read. 3 punctures.

[Mirek]

Al Attiyah stopped with broken wheel according to the live feed.

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-tHUrfSo8 Look at his onboard, even when the road is completely straight you have so many difficulties to survive

[Mirek]

De villiers and Roma stopped too. WTF with Toyota?

[EstWRC]

and estonian Toomas Triisa wins stage3 in malle-moto class and is the new leader in that class :)

[MartijnS]

De Villiers and Van Loon are out of fuel. Roma was out too.

[dupanton]

De villiers and Roma stopped too. WTF with Toyota?

De Villiers, Roma and Van Loon are all stopped without fuel it seems :o De Villiers and Roma did finish, but losing time.

[Mirek]

Sounds silly...

Yesterday's truck leader Van de Brink stopped too.

[A FONDO]

FROM AUTOSPORT

Stephane Peterhansel took his first stage win of the 2017 Dakar Rally, while Peugeot team-mate Sebastian Loeb continued to lead overall as main challenger Nasser Al-Attiyah hit trouble.
Al-Attiyah headed the pack for much of Wednesday's third stage and looked set to wrest the overall lead away from Loeb at the day's end, only for Al-Attiyah's Toyota Hilux to sustain significant damage, forcing him to stop.
After the first two days were run close to sea level, Wednesday's Argentina-based Tucuman - Jujuy test featured a major spike in altitude ahead of the rally's arrival in Bolivia.
The timed stage was split into two sections, a 240km opener and a 124km follow-up, linked by a neutralised road section where the cars climbed more than 5000m above sea level.
Loeb entered the day with a 28-second lead over Al-Attiyah, but his advantage soon disappeared, as the Qatari made up four minutes during the navigation-heavy opening kilometres.
Through the remainder of the first timed section, Al-Attiyah was instead challenged by Peterhansel, but managed to keep the Frenchman at bay, entering the neutralised zone with a two-minute advantage.
But Al-Attiyah's charge came to an end soon after he resumed timed running.
He badly damaged a wheel off-piste and ground to a halt.
He remained stationary for around an hour before resuming the stage, only to stop again shortly after.

With Al-Attiyah stranded, Peterhansel eased to stage victory, with Carlos Sainz Sr and Loeb making up a Peugeot 1-2-3.
Sainz trails Loeb by 42 seconds in the overall classification, with Peterhansel four minutes adrift.
X-Raid Mini's Mikko Hirvonen ran inside the top three for much of the stage, but eventually dropped back to fourth.
The Finn now sits best of the rest behind Peugeots in the main classification, trailing Loeb by 9m38s.
Al-Attiyah's dramas were far from the only bad news of the day for Toyota, as Nani Roma, Giniel de Villiers and privateer Erik van Loon all stopped in the second part of the stage.
Of the trio, Roma came off best, losing only a few minutes and finishing fifth, just ahead of Yazeed Al-Rajhi's X-Raid Mini and the fourth factory Peugeot of Cyril Despres.
De Villiers dropped to 35 minutes off the lead as a result of his stoppage.

[Mirek]

A story from Dakar

In the second leg Czech biker Lukáš Kvapil found an injured Italian biker Domenico Cipollone. The Italian was unconscious. Kvapil stopped, called the rescue team, made a shadow using his jacket as a cover, managed to wake Cipollone up and gave him his water. He waited for fifty minutes for the help and assisted in the rescue effort for another two hours. Tired from the sun he rode further but after some time crashed in a hole covered by sand. He suffered contusion, face and shoulder injuries. When he was transported into the hospital he found that Domenico Cipollone is lying in the same room. Now he's waiting for transport back to CZ for surgery.

[Mirek]

Slovak biker Ivan Jakeš was struck by a lightning yesterday but it looks like he was very lucky. He underwent many medical tests afterwards and it seems he was ok and could continue in the event.

[EstWRC]

Peterhansel lost and Loeb stopped at the moment, reason still not known

[dimviii]

Nasser

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1ZyPa-XgAAxhN4.jpg

[EstWRC]

Loeb now through WP2 but has lost 20 minutes. damn!

[dupanton]

Sainz new virtual leader.
Barreda has (virtually) a very comfortable lead of over 15min, on stage 4 already!

[Mirek]

Tatra Buggyra leg 3 now with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLH0Av5DXFbhcXTGoTF6Bn4wHOTS3Id8ym&v=xsqfeD4PFnM

[Mirek]

Toby Price out with a broken leg...

This editions had a very tough start I would say.

[Mirek]

And it continues... Al Rahji retired.

[cosmin_sb]

Sainz stuck into a ravine

[dimviii]

turbo problems for Loeb?

[pantealex]

It´s going to be long rally but Mikko is climping higher every day.

[Mirek]

Sainz moving again after two hours...

A lot of drama in trucks too.

[EstWRC]

yeah turbo problems for Loeb, shame because if you look from WP4 to the end then he was fastest.

[dimviii]

yeah turbo problems for Loeb, shame because if you look from WP4 to the end then he was fastest.

yeap he was about 2 minutes faster even from winner Despres.

[dimviii]

Sainz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1b--D7XAAERMcq.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1b--EGWIAA_RMv.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1b--EEWIAAqhFf.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1b--D-WgAA1Fnb.jpg

[mousti]

Sainz his roll, https://twitter.com/yosssii/status/817122896459997185

[dimviii]

Sainz retired
http://www.peugeot-sport.com/fr/abandon-de-carlos-sainz-au-dakar-2017/

[N.O.T]

dakar is Dakar but i think Loeb and Petterhansel are the main rivals for the win now.

[A FONDO]

Sainz his roll, https://twitter.com/yosssii/status/817122896459997185

and this one :eek: https://twitter.com/Autoblogcomar/status/817189069532831748

[EstWRC]

huuuge oooneee! :eek:

[EstWRC]

Loeb leadin at WP2 at the moment but now comes the part where many guys have been lost today and lost a lot of time, in bikes class at least

[N.O.T]

Huge gains for Loeb at wp3 he may very well lead again after this stage. peterhansel +7.5 mins and despres +16.30 mins

[dimviii]

12:01 Stage of the day shortened
The stage of the day will finally end at ASS1 after 219 km. The competitors will not start the second part of the special stage after the neutralization area. In question, a track became impracticable due to bad weather conditions on the road to Oruro.

[A FONDO]

Sainz closest view https://twitter.com/SomosDakar/status/817380799280541697

[dimviii]

Loeb lost about 6 minutes to most competitors between wp3 and 4

[N.O.T]

hamburger boy needed a short break at the local Mcdonalds it seems.

[dimviii]

so today stage will end at wp5 after today shortened decision?

[dimviii]

Peugeot Sport ‏@peugeotsport 5m
5 minutes ago

LIVE INFO SS5 #Dakar2017
The race will be stopped at KM292 because of bad weather #PEUGEOT3008DKR will take liaison after WP5 > ASS

[Mirek]

Yes, it shall be so.

[EstWRC]

Loeb lost about 6 minutes to most competitors between wp3 and 4

damn, Why ?

[dimviii]

damn, Why ?

as Loeb gained 6-7 minutes from everybody between wp2-3 now was his turn to loose same amount of time between wp3-4
probably navigation.
Must be really close now with Peterhansel about 1,5 min ahead at general rankings
The bad for Seb is that the stage winner have to open the road the next stage,and not the overall winner.
So Elena will have difficult job for tomorrow

[N.O.T]

as Loeb gained 6-7 minutes from everybody between wp2-3 now was his turn to loose same amount of time between wp3-4
probably navigation.
Must be really close now with Peterhansel about 1,5 min ahead at general rankings
The bad for Seb is that the stage winner have to open the road the next stage,and not the overall winner.
So Elena will have difficult job for tomorrow

Peterhansel was 2.40 ahead before so the gap is close to 1.10 now.

[dimviii]

Mikko in stage finish loosing 43 minutes.

[N.O.T]

Tomorrow is the longest stage of the rally 527kms (786 total). they rest on the 8th jan. then it goes like this.

9th jan 322 special 622 total
10th jan 492 special 892 total
11th jan 406 special 977 total
12th jan 449 special 751 total
13th jan 288 special 754 total
14th jan 64 special 786 total

[dimviii]

DAKAR RALLY
Verified account
‏@dakar
CARS - GENERAL (STAGE 5)
1- @s_peterhansel
2- @SebastienLoeb (+1'09")
3- @cyrildespres (+4'54")

[EstWRC]

Go Loeb!

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie ‏@planetemarcus 7m
7 minutes ago

#Dakar2017 Due bad conditions LEG6 "Oruro – La Paz" (527kms) is cancelled http://bit.ly/2iNkTfB

[Franky]

What is "bad conditions" for Dakar?

[dimviii]

too much rain in Bolivia everything is flooded,bivouac 10 cm with water

[A FONDO]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1iJbTzXUAE8ohY.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1iJe66XUAAKT30.jpg

[dimviii]

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[pantealex]

Is this "LEX Peugeot" ?

Their main competitors are 4wd...

[Mirek]

Don't think so. Due to the rules the 2WD have no disadvantage in hard terrain. I would even say that they are better suited for hard terrain because they have a lot longer travel, much bigger wheels, tyre pressure regulation, bigger ground clearance and a lot less weight.

[itix]

Sainz closest view https://twitter.com/SomosDakar/status/817380799280541697
I'm surprised he didn't die... Some people really deserve a Darwin award. Rally sport doesn't deserve Darwin awards contestants though :(

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAjp3TXdxlU some close action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgDNxawDdQE morons :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR4QLuwdxLM unlike WRC, Dakar is not just the competitors but you have 4-5 times more normal vehicles who also have to travel through the dirt. Imagine this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2VFRFI-LGs happening five times today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NP41lLs9ZQ MAN having fun

[dimviii]

La Paz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1opPdpWgAEMg3p.jpg
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[USER47]

Prokop has quite a decently made series of Dakar videos on his youtube channel. It seems the conditions are indeed quite crazy there, with difficult terrain, weather and time constraints on the checkpoints and such. The newest video doesn't seem to have subtitles yet, the rest does though.
https://www.youtube.com/user/JipocarRacing/videos

[EstWRC]

Peterhansel was leading the fist two WP-s but has now lost basically 4 minutes to Loeb.

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Peter' doesn't want to be first on the road on tomorrow's leg 9 :confused:

[dimviii]

Looks like Peter' doesn't want to be first on the road on tomorrow's leg 9 :confused:

Peterhansel was halted for several minutes.


from official site
Following a halt of several minutes after 110 km, Stéphane Peterhansel has lost ground. Sébastien Loeb takes the lead at WP3 with an advantage of 3’38 over his team-mate.

[N.O.T]

Loeb loses his 5.30 mins lead and is now 2.30 mins with 1 CP to go, maybe if he loses he dakar this year he will decide to hire a navigator and not a co-driver for the years to come.

[dimviii]

Don't forget that at previous stages when all experienced co drivers get lost,Elena navigate him faultless and gained plenty of time.

[N.O.T]

Don't forget that at previous stages when all experienced co drivers get lost,Elena navigate him faultless and gained plenty of time.

nope, he had a six minutes lead and lost it due to hamburger boy

ss5
13:22 Loeb wins his second stage
Sébastien Loeb has won a second stage victory on the Dakar 2017. The Frenchman perfectly negotiated the start of the special to open up a gap on his rivals before losing some time due to navigational difficulties which almost saw Nani Roma catch him. In the end, the Spaniard finished 44 seconds behind Peugeot No. 309.

[dimviii]

Loeb finished and took some time from Peterhansel (3,36 at stage end)

[N.O.T]

so now he is around 1.30 mins ahead which is nothing.

[dimviii]

nope, he had a six minutes lead and lost it due to hamburger boy

ss5
13:22 Loeb wins his second stage
Sébastien Loeb has won a second stage victory on the Dakar 2017. The Frenchman perfectly negotiated the start of the special to open up a gap on his rivals before losing some time due to navigational difficulties which almost saw Nani Roma catch him. In the end, the Spaniard finished 44 seconds behind Peugeot No. 309.

the gap he had was due to Elenas work

12:36 Loeb opens up the gaps
The first navigational difficulties of the day have had an effect. Sébastien Loeb overcame them seamlessly and leads Nani Roma by 6’21 at WP3. As for Stéphane Peterhansel, he has had to search for the right track and has lost contact with his team-mate, who he now trails by 7’30

[N.O.T]

tomorrow is a stage where navigators play an important role... lets hope there are not many Mcdonalds around so he avoids deviations...

stage 9
Nearly 1,000 kilometres to cover during the day, including a small half in the special stage with 98% off-road for this timed section. This will be the toughest test for the navigators, who will play a decisive role. The verdict of this day could mark a turning point in the conquest for the titles.

[N.O.T]

the gap he had was due to Elenas work

12:36 Loeb opens up the gaps
The first navigational difficulties of the day have had an effect. Sébastien Loeb overcame them seamlessly and leads Nani Roma by 6’21 at WP3. As for Stéphane Peterhansel, he has had to search for the right track and has lost contact with his team-mate, who he now trails by 7’30

no mcdonalds in the dunes thats why.

[Tom206wrc]

And another Peugeot 1-2-3 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Also Khalid Al Qassimi is doing better for his first Dakar outing than in a whole WRC season :D

[dimviii]

no mcdonalds in the dunes thats why.

they had puncture,thats why they lost these 3 minutes.

We attacked hard. There were tracks so we wanted to dig a max away. We did the job. No regrets to have. # 3008DKR to the top
Stage marathon Pretty good past with the victory & the 1st place in general. Puncture 70km from the finish, damage: - / # Dakar2017
2 next steps will be complicated. A lot of off-road, we open the road, we leave before the motorcycles. I'm counting on @DanosElena

[Tom206wrc]

Ouch !!! Leg 9 cancelled(due to very bad weather conditions and collapsed terrain to the bivouac) :mark:

[dupanton]

Ouch !!! Leg 9 cancelled(due to very bad weather conditions and collapsed terrain to the bivouac) :mark:

That's good news for Loeb!

[mousti]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C132MA1XcAAQm_R.jpg:large

[Tom206wrc]

Impossible to cross this kind of road with car in competition without having tons of punctures :s

[Mirek]

Sadly same story repeats every year. They shall hold the event in different season in South America when there is less risk of such massive cancellations.

[dimviii]

http://img.20mn.fr/r0b4Cp48RUyH4ZH4gVfqnw/2048x1536-fit_village-volcan-argentine-englouti-eau-janvier-2017.jpg

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Sadly same story repeats every year. They shall hold the event in different season in South America when there is less risk of such massive cancellations.
Or back to Africa..

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[vino_93]

There were rumors about rallying back in southern Africa (Angola, Namibia, SA) a year ago. Don't know if it will happen soon ?

[kure91]

Is depends if they will pay like those countries in South America :)

[Mirek]

I have no problem with South America. At least the event is hugely popular both among the locals and the competitors. It's just really unfortunate to cancel large part of the route every year for the same reason.

[A FONDO]

MAN onboard. Look at 5:10, some of the cars earlier on appear to had quite a good jump from there :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRXIGXi5BYI

p.s. this is a proper flood http://thumbnails117.imagebam.com/52597/b5332a525966330.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/b5332a525966330)

[EstWRC]

Loeb losing 1.36 to peterhansel in wp1

[EstWRC]

Despres before Loeb in wp2,not good

Loses 5 min to despres

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/819540907053686784

[dupanton]

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/819540907053686784

Respect for Peterhansel!

[dupanton]

Look like it's turning in to a 3-way battle. Despres is no virtually only 10' behind.

[N.O.T]

Loeb fights back on wp8 takes another 1.30 mins from peterhansel and 3 mins from despres.

[Mirek]

Finally a proper stage today :)

Loeb pushing further. Now only one minute behind Despres at WP9.

[EstWRC]

and now only 35 secs nehind Despres

[dimviii]

if they give back the time Peterhansel lost after the collision with bike will be very close.

[EstWRC]

now Loeb over a minute ahead and leading

[N.O.T]

Loeb wins the stage by 6.45 mins from peterhansel now the overall lead is over 8 minutes with 1 long stage to go, 50 kms are in the dunes and the rest are in the WRC region and stages of cordoba.

[N.O.T]

if they give back the time Peterhansel lost after the collision with bike will be very close.

it does not work that way in dakar, especially if it is peterhansels fault.

[dimviii]

it does not work that way in dakar, especially if it is peterhansels fault.

that's what they wrote at official site.Sounds strange to me too if he crashed with the bike.


16:10 Peterhansel finishes in provisional third
Stéphane Peterhansel has finished the stage in third position, behind his two team-mates. He has lost 6’45 to Loeb following his collision with a biker, but he could recover the time he lost going to the aid of Simon Marčič, which would make it a good day for him.

[N.O.T]

that's what they wrote at official site.Sounds strange to me too if he crashed with the bike.


16:10 Peterhansel finishes in provisional third
Stéphane Peterhansel has finished the stage in third position, behind his two team-mates. He has lost 6’45 to Loeb following his collision with a biker, but he could recover the time he lost going to the aid of Simon Marčič, which would make it a good day for him.

i think they referred in the second section of the day when they said to recover the time by driving, and not that they will give it back. we will see.

[Mirek]

Any information what happened to Mikko Hirvonen today?

[fegh]

Any information what happened to Mikko Hirvonen today?
Accident with a truck and damaged the radiator

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[mousti]

Peterhansel wins the stage instead of Loeb. Peterhansel got some time back because he stopped for giving medical attention to a motorcyclist where he collided with..

[A FONDO]

Giniel https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1_12y1XEAEFoYn.jpg

[dimviii]

Sebastien Loeb @SebastienLoeb 2m
2 minutes ago
*
Complicated step: - / There was good and not good. 1st part, 170km of off-road, smashed, big ruts ... Not super safe.
We have a little garden, like everyone else. We crossed quads, lots of lost motorcycles. We were in survival mode and we did the best.
2nd part better spent. A block, one could not attack more, not go faster. It takes time but not enough @s_peterhansel
5min50, there is only 1 real stage. It's a lot, it's complicated, but it's not impossible. We will give everything tomorrow # dakar2017

[dimviii]

Peterhansel

"What struck my day was having hit a rider who was lost, like us. He saw us arrive, he blocked everything, he fell and we arrived on him, he was under the car. I could not stop earlier. He was conscious, we stayed with him until the medical service arrived, but he actually had an open fracture of the tibia-fibula. "

[EstWRC]

i dont get it, IMO its weird that he got the time back. of course he did right staying with him until help arrived.

[N.O.T]

so dakar organisers decided to give the event to peterhansel, could not expect better from south americans.

[Mirek]

Since when are Dakar organizers South American? ASO is French organization and the sporting director Marc Coma is Spanish.

[N.O.T]

Really ? thats even worse if it is ASO, the same people who organise that junkies parade each year in france...

[Munkvy]

Since when are Dakar organizers South American? ASO is French organization and the sporting director Marc Coma is Spanish.

And the Spanish have nothing to do with South America at all... Not like it's the national language at all in some parts...

But that aside, that does seem weird that you run someone over and get time back for it?

[itix]

5 minutes is not an impossible time for Loeb to make up on three stages. All is not lost.

I kind of expected Peterhansel to get the time back... I wonder which year they will learn to field the cars first so these accidents will stop happening. It's been going on as long as I have followed it and the onboard warning system is clearly not working (when it beeps constantly you tend to ignore it after a while).

[A FONDO]

“What an eventful day,” said Hirvonen who finished 30th. “We had punctures, lost our way several times and in addition, a car jack and the reverse gear broke. Then we got stuck in the Fech Fech and as we hadn’t our reverse gear this incident cost us more than an hour. Later we followed two trucks that passed one another. One went off the road and although I drove as careful as possible I hit its rear. And to make things even worse, he didn’t see us, backed up – and destroyed our radiator while doing so. This cost us even more time than an hour.”

all the bad luck at once for him, he was doing pretty good job until yesterday

[pantealex]

Peugeot will play team orders...

Loeb is going to win.

[Mirek]

Do You believe that they can slow down by orders a 12x Dakar champion and the biggest active legend of the race?

[N.O.T]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxvYCgU4CuGHAY6_rASytVL3&v=0WZM-aH9XXo

[stefanvv]

“What an eventful day,” said Hirvonen who finished 30th. “We had punctures, lost our way several times and in addition, a car jack and the reverse gear broke. Then we got stuck in the Fech Fech and as we hadn’t our reverse gear this incident cost us more than an hour. Later we followed two trucks that passed one another. One went off the road and although I drove as careful as possible I hit its rear. And to make things even worse, he didn’t see us, backed up – and destroyed our radiator while doing so. This cost us even more time than an hour.”

all the bad luck at once for him, he was doing pretty good job until yesterday

Friday the 13th is today, not yesterday. May be he will have some luck today.

[dimviii]

already from wp1 Loeb 1,42 faster

[Mirek]

Loeb is pushing like hell. Already 3 minutes @ second waypoint.

[pantealex]

Do You believe that they can slow down by orders a 12x Dakar champion and the biggest active legend of the race?

They don´t have to. Peterhansel said before rally even started that he will help Seb1 to win...

[EstWRC]

cmon Loeb !!!

[dimviii]

They don´t have to. Peterhansel said before rally even started that he will help Seb1 to win...

any link?

[MitFan]

What happened to Toyota? Way below expectation.

[MitFan]

In hind sight am thinking, shouldn't they have put more effort to keep Nasser in the race?

[dimviii]

What happened to Toyota? Way below expectation.
was pretty fast with Nasser.

[Mirek]

One may also say that it was pretty fast out of the game.

Anyway there was the big fuck-up with not enough fuel in one of the early stages but still Peugeot were except for Nasser clearly faster.

[N.O.T]

They don´t have to. Peterhansel said before rally even started that he will help Seb1 to win...

lol

[EstWRC]

ths second part started, lets see

[EstWRC]

Peterhansel has taken almost 2 minutes back, damn

[N.O.T]

everyone took almost 2 minutes from Loeb so he did something wrong.

[N.O.T]

Loeb takes 30 seconds back. Not enough if he continues like that.

[EstWRC]

Another minute or more needed, 3 minutes by the end of the stage would be good.

[N.O.T]

not going to happen by driving, the difference still 1.30 with the final CP ahead.

[EstWRC]

and only 18 sec in the end, the lead just shrunk in the second half.

[dimviii]

Daniel Elena, disappointed.

Play the victory of the Dakar Rally, a Friday 13 ... (very) bad idea
We crash from the start of the ES2 and we have to change the wheel ... It is the law of the sport car, right?
We do not hide from you that we are very disappointed ... and especially for you. It's so great to have such support!
One thing is for sure, we gave our maximum during all this #Dakar, believe us!
Congratulations to Stéphane Peterhansel, Jean-Paul and the entire Peugeot Sport team! And what about Sébastien Loeb ... it will bluff me all my life that the
#DreamTeam #WeLoveDust


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[EstWRC]

cant blame them, they had to give everything today.

[Zeakiwi]

SP and the motorcyclist - nasty
https://youtu.be/OiDhFdVkRIY?t=2m50s

[dimviii]

Sebastien Loeb @SebastienLoeb 19m
1 hour ago
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Stage victory but we wanted more. We gave everything, took half the delay on the first part. And then puncture at the beginning of the 2nd ...
The battle was nice, it's nice to fight for seconds. We could not do more. We were hoping it would pay
*
Bravo @s_peterhansel & Jean-Paul. Thanks @peugeotsport for the top job. And thanks to my @DanosElena. There was nothing to do with + # Dakar2017

[N.O.T]

So i guess tomorrow Peugeot will issue team orders and Peterhansel will slow down to let Loeb take the win right ??

That was the finish manager way back when they were strong in WRC creating paper champions that were decided by team orders or fishy cars to the competiton.

the french seem to take a different approach and let the best driver win, and that is why in a few years the french are top of serious motorsport and finish kids beg their masters for some tablescraps and they only way their drivers to actually drive is only through manager favouritism.

[dimviii]

Peterhansel: "On the first 120 kilometers of special, it took us three minutes basically. On the second special, he was allowed to leave because he was faster, but after a few kilometers he burst. We said 'maybe it's our luck', we went ahead and we drove as fast as possible. We rode fast, concentrated ... and here we are. It's played in seconds, a few minutes. By attacking the second part, we were 2'50 'ahead of Seb. Knowing that it was a WRC track, we thought we were losing them, but his puncture gave us air. It is almost an honor to fight against Seb at the regular. It is hyper fast, on some places more than us. But it's still a rally-raid. "

Loeb: "We left super strong this morning, we recovered half the gap on the 100 km of the first part of the stage ... and in the two I crash in the first corner. I took a stone like a thousand! And then I stop, I change the wheel and Stéphane passes. After we attacked a bit in the winding, and from the moment it was dusty, in the fields, we let go. It's life, you can not do anything, it's like that. It's been two days since we had the knife between our teeth trying to grab some time. The fight had to end. The gaps are still too big now, I have already dropped in that one, we can not do much. "

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie ‏@planetemarcus 7m
7 minutes ago

#Dakar2017 Stéphane Peterhansel wins 2017 edition and Peugeot makes 1-2-3 http://bit.ly/2iNkTfB*
Peterhansel
Loeb+5'13
Despres+33'28

[AndyRAC]

Still don't think Stephane should have had his time given back - but it's happened before - and will probably happen again. For that, I can't congratulate him. But, it's the ASO, they do what they want.

[pantealex]

OK
I was wrong, they did´t give any team orders. Happy for that.
Maybe next year Seb!

[itix]

Shame... Loeb really deserved the victory.

[MitFan]

A French Revolution!

[dimviii]

Shame... Loeb really deserved the victory.

cant say he deserved the victory,ok he was faster,but he make the driving mistake yesterday.
but he was the only Peugeot driver that he lost plenty of time with engine/turbo problems t early stages.
For sure he was much better than last year.

[itix]

cant say he deserved the victory,ok he was faster,but he make the driving mistake yesterday.
but he was the only Peugeot driver that he lost plenty of time with engine/turbo problems t early stages.
For sure he was much better than last year.
I was mostly thinking about the turbo problems, yes. He was clearly faster than Peterhansel even with the navigation errors.

[N.O.T]

Dakar is not about speed.

The organisers decided to award the victory to peterhansel, no surprise there.

maybe next year.

[Mirek]

Peter Versluis crashed into Martin Macík behind the finish (intentionally?). There was some heated argument afterwards...
https://scontent.fmad3-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16112539_1280869038668128_8232724450306260306_o.jp g?oh=4373528a8f0e84af3ed89bcad29698e6&oe=58D68B61
https://scontent.fmad3-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15995310_1280869138668118_388714753590744117_o.jpg ?oh=9e9e9fa2845faa3d9c16cc93e2e3a8e0&oe=58E0A10E
https://scontent.fmad3-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16112774_1280869935334705_2174171554193953963_o.jp g?oh=8e01bd357d5b307d392b3ff8f6dfb51d&oe=58E1C399

The thing is that Versluis was furious that Macík didn't let him pass while Macík said he had another three trucks in front of him which he wanted to pass himself.

[MitFan]

Heat of the moment stuff. Hope they cool down and make friends. That's the spirit of the Dakar!

[MartijnS]

Yes, 'the fight' was shown on Dutch tv. Dont know if it works but here it is http://rtlxl.nl/?&_ga=1.45752676.1387797312.1473511399#!/rtl-gp-dakar-145458/b4d15dd7-8ac7-3bdf-9497-326baa604285 at 40 mins :)

[MartijnS]

About 5 minutes onboard of Versluis on the final stage! :)

https://youtu.be/RiaKOGUTr_0

[A FONDO]

stupid tourist, 9000 kms like turtle and the final 2 decided to push? for what? plus the road was so narrow the guy in front had nowhere to stop even if he wanted. such dust problems happen all the time in rally-raid.

[Sub_Skoda]

Guerlain Chicherit will compete Dakar 2018 : http://www.lemagsportauto.com/guerlain-chicherit-rallycross-dakar-interview-exclusive/21161/

[electroliquid]

https://www.autosport.com/dakar/news/132767/peugeot-to-quit-dakar-after-2018 Next Dakar will be last for Peugeot