Rally Wrc Monte Carlo 2017

[jbmarcus21]

New rules... new rally car .. Toyota's back !
Monte Carlo 2017 road program is published ➡ http://goo.gl/G0caMJ

[Simmi]

Time to get planning!

[AndyRAC]

Apart from the Thursday night, it's another disappointing Monte itinerary. 32km on the final day, Turini in the day and run once.....

Sorry, but the Monte shouldn't be just another WRC event.

[Eli]

Apart from the Thursday night, it's another disappointing Monte itinerary. 32km on the final day, Turini in the day and run once.....

Sorry, but the Monte shouldn't be just another WRC event.

and it should be based in Valance as it used to up until 2014 when it moved to gap...

[Mirek]

New rules... new rally car .. Toyota's back !
Monte Carlo 2017 road program is published ➡ http://goo.gl/G0caMJ

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Apart from the Thursday night, it's another disappointing Monte itinerary. 32km on the final day, Turini in the day and run once.....

Sorry, but the Monte shouldn't be just another WRC event.

It's not only bad. I hope the Col st. Roch itself is part of the power stage. For spectators that's a lot more entertaining place than Turini.

And if I can see right there is stage Bayons in the itinerary! That's this craziness which used to be run in the 90' :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahH2vCsjuEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I0snXGrNq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fanJgz5adEc

[denkimi]

once again a ridiculous timing. 2 days with only 30km's, a day with 120km's and one day with 160km's of stage. if they would make it 2 days (saturday+sunday) + a ss on friday this could be a great rally. now its just retarded.

[GigiGalliNo1]

So who is going?

[Simmi]

So who is going?

I'll be there for my Monte debut. Been trying to piece together the stages. Couldn't miss this one.

[AL14]

So who is going?

Reserved a Chalet near Gap with some friends one month ago. Can't wait. Will you be there?

[AL14]

I'll be there for my Monte debut. Been trying to piece together the stages. Couldn't miss this one.

Didn't read this. Me too I have to decide my itinerary. If we will go to the same stage let's meet. I will bring some mirto from my hometown in Sardinia to cheer with, otherwise local pastis will be ok as well. :D

[Nelly]

Do hire cars from lyon have snow tyres or do have to request them?

[rage82]

Tickets and a house near Gap booked two weeks ago. Planing to do Thursday - Saturday and not going south for the last 3 stages. We gonna rent a car from Bergamo as they have obligatory snow chains. So hope to see some of you on the stages.

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[GigiGalliNo1]

I'm planning on going.

Flying from Australia to Paris, then to Nice but the schedules are tight. Arrive Monday leave Monday.

Uncertain if I'll be driving by my self or with work colleague so will have to suss out hotel and rental car too if I'm alone.

Keen on shakedown, ceremonial start and two stages a day.

[Nelly]

I booked a hotel in seyne. It looks quiet close to 2nd night stage. Any one stay there before, will there be many fans staying in the area? First time in monte can't wait

[nafpaktos]

Be careful because there is no road sings(for the stages),sometimes you are some meters away from the stage and you can't understand exactly where you are.Also the organizers don't care at all about the spectators and in some occasions they close the stage-access some km away from the stages,so have in mind that you may need to walk A LOT.This year my descent from the power stage to the car was accurately 1,5 hour.I don't want to disappoint you,just be prepared,maybe you are luckier than me.

[Nelly]

Thanks for the info. Get there early seems to be the advice from everyone. 3 stages look possible on Saturday. Or should you just stick to 2. How is traffic between the stages

[nafpaktos]

if you can watch 3 then do it.That's what i also did on saturday.The traffic is ok, i didn't face at all traffic jam.

[jbmarcus21]

Update Monte 2017 itinerary... Turini will run 2nd times now and switch as Power Stage http://bit.ly/2cknVEI

[Simmi]

Update Monte 2017 itinerary... Turini will run 2nd times now and switch as Power Stage http://bit.ly/2cknVEI

Thanks Jeremie.

Not sure if this changes our plans or not on Sunday.

[Mirek]

Interesting that they run Turini to Peira Cava. Maybe pity it's not reversed like in early IRC because that was the most spectacular variant of the pass over the Col.

[cmac]

Hi
We are looking at coming to our first Monte next yr and have a few questions.
Would you advise getting winter tyres 100% as I am struggling to find any hire car company that have them?
All I can get is snow chains!
I have never fitted snow chains are they hard and time consuming to fit?
Is it too cold to sleep in the car and are there places close to the stages to park car overnight?
Is it possible to park on the road after the stage finish overnight and walk in to the stage?
thanks

[nafpaktos]

it's difficult to find winter tyres if you rent a car from south.if you want to stay to the car overnight a caravan could be the solution.

[J_n_z]

Hi,
me and my mate used to sleep in Renault 19 in 2008 Monte. It was ok, but there was practically no snow that year. With 50cm of snow everywhere and 1m snowbanks on the side of the road, or rain all weekend it would be a tough one.

Cold is not so big problem, you should have a good sleeping bag and over it you put all spare clothes you have... Midnight bathroom routine :) ... but standing on the top of Turini... priceless.

Try it, it is tricky, but at right age, an experience worth trying...

[Mirek]

Sadly Turini isn't anymore what it used to be. After the return in WRC they enlarged the safety no-go zones and don't run it till midnight. The nights there in the short IRC era were great but now I would strongly prefer Col Saint Roch even though it's run uphill this year and it's not clear where the stage ends to me.

[Andre Oliveira]

We can expect a proper Rallye Monte-Carlo conditions? Love Ford test conditions ;)

[Mirek]

It looks like the M-Sport test was held on the stage Moutauban sur L'Ouvéze which was one of the most spectacular ones during IRC years. I think it was Ogier's home stage. I was spectating there in all IRC editions and have the best memories about it :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Love that conditions, maybe i will tell something controversial, but if necessary start WRC in year before to garantee snow, i will agree :)

[Andre Oliveira]

From Rallye Monte-Carlo regs:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx-MZflXAAgKuvE.jpg:small

[lankey555]

hi guys we are also going to Monte Carlo when do the maps go up on the rallymaps site we used these at Corsica this year and were fantastic!!

[Andre Oliveira]

So to MC we will have:

1 Ogier/Ingrassia
2 Tänak/Järveoja
3 ???
4 Neuville/Gilsoul
5 Sordo/Martí
6 Paddon/Kennard
7 Meeke/Nagle
8 Breen/Martin
9 ???
10 Latvala/Anttila
11 Hänninen/Lindström

[Simmi]

So to MC we will have:

1 Ogier/Ingrassia
2 Tänak/Järveoja
3 ???
4 Neuville/Gilsoul
5 Sordo/Martí
6 Paddon/Kennard
7 Meeke/Nagle
8 Breen/Martin
9 ???
10 Latvala/Anttila
11 Hänninen/Lindström

Only two new Citroens on the Monte I think. And I doubt Craig will get the drive ahead of Lefebvre - even if in my opinion he could do a better job.

[Andre Oliveira]

Can 3 be Camilli in Fiesta 2016 and 9 Lefebvre in DS3 2016?

[EightGear]

Only two new Citroens on the Monte I think. And I doubt Craig will get the drive ahead of Lefebvre - even if in my opinion he could do a better job.
During Rallye du Var Lefebvre did mention something about testing things out for Monte Carlo. He was there in a DS3 of course, so it could mean he will be there in the 2016 car. Or maybe he was just talking about broader preparations, like getting back into a rhythm with Gabin Moreau or something.

[Simmi]

Unless they've made a decision internally to promote Breen to full-time #2 driver, I can't see them not picking Lefebvre on a French event.

Shame Citroen went so conservative on 2017 when most had the three cars already planned in. I don't know how discussions went, but it may have cost them a chance to get Ogier.

[Mintexmemory]

Can't wait for 10 years time when THE book comes out - I expect it will say that there was never a possibility that Ogier might go to Citroen. The smell of the burnt bridge was still heavy in the air and the guy with the matches was still in charge at 'l'equipe'.
Just wish I was going to the Monte this year but I'm already looking at tons of eventfulness in 2017 which means my annual leave allowance is severely tested.

[A FONDO]

Unless they've made a decision internally to promote Breen to full-time #2 driver, I can't see them not picking Lefebvre on a French event.

Shame Citroen went so conservative on 2017 when most had the three cars already planned in. I don't know how discussions went, but it may have cost them a chance to get Ogier.

I think they are incredibly short on money, but are trying to hide it as much as possible.

[giu canbera]

Elfy Evans with Dmack?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15591403_10211344298348986_8540848545394551184_o.j pg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=37d5c70909d2e5e2ad291fa89e3499f4&oe=58EAF8A0

[Eli]

clever move by Citroen, perhaps in the events until Corsica, each time, the 3rd driver will get to drive the DS3 so he'll have the experience of each event.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Where's the list posted?

Rallye-Magazin.de.

Says a fuller list to be pubished next Monday.

[dimviii]

nice wrc2 list with Basso Bouffier against Mikkelsen Tidemand Kopecky

[Simmi]

How is WRC3 still a thing!? Thought that was getting killed off for 2017.

[Rally Power]

How is WRC3 still a thing!? Thought that was getting killed off for 2017.

I believe it doesn't hurt anyone to still have it. Like in RGT case, it's good to get diversity into the series, especially when WRC entry lists are so far away from past large fields.

[GigiGalliNo1]

A rental car with snow tires is preferred.

Should I get Snow Chains as well?

[nafpaktos]

snow tyres are good choice but i didn't find this option to the rental companies from nice.Snow chains cost about 30E,so it is not worth to gamble.

[Mirek]

I always take chains in the mountains. It's better to be prepared than stuck.

[satnav]

I remember in 2014 I was leaving my hire car back to Avis at Nice airport and as I was filling up with fuel a few of the ford weather crews were there as well we had a bit of a chat as you do and the topic of tyres came around , we had got snow chains with our cars and most of them were not of very good quality , all the Ford cars had winter tyres on and all were on German plates , they were all hired from Hertz with winter tyres requested , just for your information.

Also Mirek's advice is very true the weather can change very quickly in the mountains.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Waiting for the MC full entry list, due today...

[samWRC]

Waiting for the MC full entry list, due today...

RG2 say it will be out 6th of January.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

RG2 say it will be out 6th of January.

That will be the accepted entry.

Todays will be those making a application to enter.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally-Magazin said: 'In the first version of the Monte list, the M-Sport team is still missing. On Monday there should be an update, possibly with further surprises.'

Still waiting...

[Simmi]

I doubt we'll see anything until the accepted list of entries comes out next year. It's not normal to release two phases of entry list.

[Mirek]

It's quite normal that some late entries are accepted even after the deadline for entries. It's of course more difficult when one has to send the list for FIA approval but it still happens. Anyway as far as I know ACM hasn't published anything to date.

[tc10a]

As no official site published anything - the list on rallyemagazin is probably nothing else as click bait.
There is no sense in publishing a non finished list, except the entries are published already after receiving like in finnland or sweden.

[Simmi]

As no official site published anything - the list on rallyemagazin is probably nothing else as click bait.
There is no sense in publishing a non finished list, except the entries are published already after receiving like in finnland or sweden.

I think the list of RallyMagazin was a legit partial list, but until it's complete there's not really much you can say.

[tc10a]

Yes, the published content of the list will be legit, but it has no sense to publish it if even big names like the Fords are missing.

[Zeakiwi]

The RdMC entry list will be issued on the 6th of January, 2017 (subject to FIA approval) according to the AMC website.

[Andre Oliveira]

Maps: https://acm.mc/en/rallye-monte-carlo/13903-2/

[Simmi]

Maps: https://acm.mc/en/rallye-monte-carlo/13903-2/

Thanks Andre. Next phase of planning can begin.

[Lizzy]

Hey guys !
I really need some help, I am a rookie in a sense that I haven't been to any rallies myself. But I wanna surprise my boyfriend and take him to Monte this year as he has been talking about it since the news about M-sport came out.
So therefore I have some questions, like I understood in MC it's free to see the stages unless you want a VIP package?
If I would have an apartment in Cannes how much of hustle it would be to drive to stages from there every day ?
About the car rental, no way to get a car with winter tyres from Cannes or Nice ?
Is there anything else that is very important that I should know?

Sorry for overloading with questions, hope you can enlighten me :)

[tc10a]

If I would have an apartment in Cannes how much of hustle it would be to drive to stages from there every day ?


Wednesday: 3h
Thursday: 1,5h
Friday: 3,5h
Saturday: 3h
Sunday: 1,5h

So Cannes is not an option. The rally is basically based around Gap from Wednesday to Saturday, only Sunday is closer to Monaco.
Best would be to have accommodation until Saturday around Gap and for Sunday closer to MC.

[EstWRC]

Monte Carlo rally twitter just tweeted this link and it says that Elfyn is in the list with a fiesta

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.ee&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.nicematin.com/auto/75-equipages-au-depart-du-85e-rallye-monte-carlo-102715&usg=ALkJrhh1oPMhURLRWlUmVRABSKTGTJ8f5Q

[traxx]

Mikko Hirvonen as gravel crew for Craig Breen

http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2016/12/20/la-c3-wrc-deja-prete-pour-le-monte-carlo/

[dimviii]

Mikko Hirvonen as gravel crew for Craig Breen

http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2016/12/20/la-c3-wrc-deja-prete-pour-le-monte-carlo/

strange as he was involved with TGR?

[rallyfiend]

strange as he was involved with TGR?

Hirvonen did it in Spain too, so not such a big surprise.

[dimviii]

not a happy chap.

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/skoda-fabia-r5-mikkelsen/Mikkelsen_FabiaR5.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Fantastic WRC2 battle in perspective ;)

Mikkelsen, Kopecky, Tidemand, Basso and MC expert Brian Bouffier. I will be surprised if Camilli or Pepe Lopez go match those guys.

[EightGear]

Fantastic WRC2 battle in perspective ;)

Mikkelsen, Kopecky, Tidemand, Basso and MC expert Brian Bouffier. I will be surprised if Camilli or Pepe Lopez go match those guys.

Abbring too.

[dupanton]

Abbring too.

And Bonato shouldn't be too far off neither

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes, forgot super fast Kevin :)

Bonato, Tempestini,... i don't know how PSA R5 will be after new EVO

[Rally Power]

Monte Carlo rally twitter just tweeted this link and it says that Elfyn is in the list with a fiesta
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.ee&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.nicematin.com/auto/75-equipages-au-depart-du-85e-rallye-monte-carlo-102715&usg=ALkJrhh1oPMhURLRWlUmVRABSKTGTJ8f5Q

Probably a non seeded full list will be published anytime, but crossing the first list with the names on that twitter (Ogier, Tanak, Evans, Camilli, Abbring, Dumas) plus Crugnola and Lopez, only 9 crews are missing (most likely, lower categories entries).

[dimviii]

And Bonato shouldn't be too far off neither

I don't think so.

[Andre Oliveira]

I count 68 + Østberg. So 9 to be 75.

[dupanton]

WRC 2017 (10)
Ogier – Fiesta WRC
Tanak – Fiesta WRC
Evans – Fiesta WRC?
Neuville – I20 WRC
Paddon – I20 WRC
Sordo – I20 WRC
Meeke – C3 WRC
Lefebvre – C3 WRC
Latvala – Yaris WRC
Hanninen – Yaris WRC

WRC 2016 (2)
Breen – DS3 WRC
Serderidis – DS3 WRC

R5 (22)
Abbring – I20 R5
Mikkelsen – Fabia R5
Tidemand – Fabia R5
Kopecky – Fabia R5
Margaillan – Fabia R5
Kremer – Fabia R5
Rendina – Fabia R5
Camilli – Fiesta R5
Bouffier – Fiesta R5
Basso – Fiesta R5
Boland – Fiesta R5
Vukasovic – Fiesta R5
Carret – Fiesta R5
Burri – Fiesta R5
Vossen – Fiesta R5
Bonato – DS3 R5
Bergkvist – DS3 R5
Rossel – DS3 R5 ?
Tempestini – DS3 R5
Giordano – 208 R5
Lopez – 208 R5
Covi – 208 R5?

Gr N (1)
Deividas – Evo X

GT (4)
Dumas – 997 GT3
Delecour – 124
Betti – 124
Noberasco – 124

R3 (8)
Becx – DS3 R3
Oberti – DS3 R3
Pernia – Clio R3t
Martin – Clio R3t
Althaus – Clio R3t
Panzani – Clio R3t
Rageau – Clio R3
Boisdron – Clio R3

R2 (6)
Labrousse – 208 R2
Cherar – 208 R2
Metiffiot – 208 R2
Brazzoli – 208 R2
Fortunato – C2 R2
Chareyre – C2 R2

R1 (1)
Martini – Twingo R1

Class unknown (13)
Villard – 208 R2?
Dessi – 208 R2?
Marenco – 208 R2?
Tanci – 208 R2 ?
Someda – 208 R?
Dolce – 208 R?
Masse – DS3 R?
Souffez – Fiesta R?
Cretien – Fabia R?
Drivakos – Civic R3?
Berard – Twingo R?
Vialle - Clio ??
Crugnola - ??

[dupanton]

This is what I gathered.
67 crews.

Feel free to correct or complete ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Quentin Gilbert

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So just questions remain over either M-Sport, DMack or Private 2017 Fiesta's for Evans & Ostberg...

[RS]

Yes, forgot super fast Kevin :)

Bonato, Tempestini,... i don't know how PSA R5 will be after new EVO

Another new Evo?

[Simmi]

WRC2 is a pleasant surprise on this event. Much stronger than I thought, and some interesting wildcard names - youth and experience.

[Sulland]

Will be interesting to see the different in times btw the 997 and the Fiat 124, and to hear comments from Delecour that has driven both.

[Andre Oliveira]

Dumas' version is different ;) 4.0

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@ACM_Media
75 équipages au départ du 85e Rallye Monte-Carlo https://t.co/dYINJRyy3j

[Andre Oliveira]

L Racing (SVK) testing to Monte Carlo with Fabia R5. Who will be the driver?

[Simmi]

L Racing (SVK) testing to Monte Carlo with Fabia R5. Who will be the driver?

Koci?

[Mirek]

Normally Majerčák is driving in L-Racing but he uses Fiesta. The only Fabia in their color I know about was a car from Rex Team (Cvrček was once or twice entered under L-Racing banner). Let's see.

[sete]

Will Melicharek enter a Monte carlo again?He was there in 2011 and 2014

[Andre Oliveira]

Věroslav Cvrček Rexteam:

Monte Carlo testing with L Racing

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15622640_391197581220812_6301194693657602008_n.jpg ?oh=5a08ff1adda11df3341e459f8c65f4f1&oe=58F9FD0A

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Wrc Monte Carlo 2017 is online : http://bit.ly/2cknVEI

[Andre Oliveira]

Majercak tested to MC too. So 2 L Racing there?

http://www.autosportfoto.sk/images/gallery/monte-carlo-test-l-racing/c30i3506-3.jpg

[Ucci]

Will be interesting to see the different in times btw the 997 and the Fiat 124, and to hear comments from Delecour that has driven both.

In equal circumstances the times will be much different (911 is way faster; has at least 100 HP more, 2xtimes more torque, better grip due to engine layout..). I already wrote : 124 Abarth will struggle with R2 cars....
For Delecour this is going to be just a fun drive. But, still better than sitting at thome in front of TV!

[Mintexmemory]

Will Melicharek enter a Monte carlo again?He was there in 2011 and 2014

Hope not - getting stuck on the Turini in 2014 must have taught him that not just anyone can get into a WRC car and be competent!

[Mirek]

Hope not - getting stuck on the Turini in 2014 must have taught him that not just anyone can get into a WRC car and be competent!

He got stuck because he had only 3rd gear and higher and was the first one on the road to plough it.

Anyway Melichárek is quicker than both Majerčák and Cvrček.

[Mirek]

Just found that Koči used Cvrček's car under L Racing banner in two rallyshows therefore it could be really him who tested for Monte Carlo.

[kure91]

Speaking of Slovak drivers. Koči seems to be driving Fabia next year in WRC2, so Mirek´s idea could be true. Looking at that picture, design of Fabie looks little bit like Oreca used this year :)
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[Simmi]

Anyone heard anything about Huby Ptaszek for 2017? Have to assume he'll be back unless all the money was spent doing all rounds this season.

[kure91]

@simmi, seven rounds in WRC2 with Orlen/Verva backing. Exact events are pending and also car, but promo shots were made with Fiesta R5
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[Atob WRC]

Any news from Andolfi after his car was totally burned at Valais?

This boy has to be at WRC!

[Andre Oliveira]

His car didn't burn. Someone change photos. Burned car was an 207 S2000

[Simmi]

Anyone got any experience of driving into a stage and then having it be cancelled? If it's a double run do they open the roads again and let you drive out? I guess not?

Also does anyone have any insight into good places to spectate on the Sunday? Probably won't bother with Turini itself. Was interested to see the top of Col St Roch isn't a designated spectator point.

[Mirek]

Col st. Roch even uphill is nice. Large overview with many hairpins and for sure great atmosphere with many people.

I have experienced twice canceled stage in RMC and it always took very long to allow public traffic (in both cases no other run was planned). We were driving between the runs on some stages in the past but only with media stickers and only in IRC years if I remember. I don't know if it's still possible or not anymore.

[AL14]

Any news from Andolfi after his car was totally burned at Valais?

This boy has to be at WRC!
Andolfi is trying to build a program with a r5 car. Presumably the Hyundai. Let's hope for participation at WRC2.

No monte for him

[GigiGalliNo1]

Anyone heard anything about Huby Ptaszek for 2017? Have to assume he'll be back unless all the money was spent doing all rounds this season.

Yes

7 WRC2 Rounds with Orlen Team in 2017

Check his Facebook page, new Birdman Livery and Xmas video today as well.

He's one to me watch!

[cmac]

We are planning on sleeping in the car but what time do they actually shut/close the road that will be the stage the next day? If we drove in to the stage at 6pm the night before to find some suitable parking safely out of the way would this be possible?
Is there a timetable of road closures anyway?
Thanks

[Mirek]

It used to be quite variable. When they expected snowfalls they sometimes closed the road already an evening before at least for motorhomes. Normally it used to be 2 or 3 hours ahead I think but maybe somebody can give a more recent information. I was not there since 2012 after all.

[Simmi]

We are planning on sleeping in the car but what time do they actually shut/close the road that will be the stage the next day? If we drove in to the stage at 6pm the night before to find some suitable parking safely out of the way would this be possible?
Is there a timetable of road closures anyway?
Thanks

Night before seems to be fine judging by this document - http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ANNEXE-A3-FERMETURE-DES-ROUTES.pdf

[Fast Eddie WRC]

With the new 2017 cars I expect even bigger crowds for the Monte. This may mean the authorities will be stricter than usual.

[Mirek]

No Loeb so I don't think that there will be more people there than in the past.

[GigiGalliNo1]

How cold will it get and what should I wear?

[Franky]

How cold will it get and what should I wear?

You can try shorts and a short sleeved shirt, but logically go for winter gear.

[Mirek]

The temperatures are normally way higher than in Sweden but the air contains a lot of humidity and especially southern stages closer to the sea can feel a lot colder than they are. The temperatures also usually vary a lot. I experienced a range from -10 to +15 in one edition with snow, sun and even rain or fog. You won't make a mistake if You prepare for Sweden and Wales combined with some suncream on top, i.e. to be prepared both for cold and rain (to have spare clothes and shoes in case they become wet). If it's not needed You can always leave it in the car.

[Ucci]

The temperatures are normally way higher than in Sweden but the air contains a lot of humidity and especially southern stages closer to the sea can feel a lot colder than they are. The temperatures also usually vary a lot. I experienced a range from -10 to +15 in one edition with snow, sun and even rain or fog. You won't make a mistake if You prepare for Sweden and Wales combined with some suncream on top, i.e. to be prepared both for cold and rain (to have spare clothes and shoes in case they become wet). If it's not needed You can always leave it in the car.

That way I do not attend rallyes in witer period (except Monza rally show).....I hate low temperatures.

[SubaruNorway]

That way I do not attend rallyes in witer period (except Monza rally show).....I hate low temperatures.

Watching a rally in -30 is not a problem with 5 layers of clothes, man up!

[denkimi]

Watching a rally in -30 is not a problem with 5 layers of clothes, man up!
cold is not so much an issue, rain and wind are the real mood killers.

[Mirek]

That way I do not attend rallyes in witer period (except Monza rally show).....I hate low temperatures.

I would go to Monte again, I really loved it, but in last couple of years my colleagues organize some skiing holidays in the same time and in the end I always promise them to go with them.

[Rallyper]

That way I do not attend rallyes in witer period (except Monza rally show).....I hate low temperatures.

Then you´re not a true fan. Sorry. ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

cold is not so much an issue, rain and wind are the real mood killers.

So true. Rally GB is way more unpleasant to spectate.

[Rallyper]

So true. Rally GB is way more unpleasant to spectate.

For sure. Haven´t been at RMC but to Rally GB several times and often it´s raining cats and dogs. Remember Walthers Arena 2007 ...

[Ucci]

Then you´re not a true fan. Sorry. ;)

@Rallyper-you are already handicaped with winter period for eight months, so it is easy to say for you...on the other hand, go once for example to Italy in summer and ''melt'' yourself at 35 degrees....I did it many times...and I enjoyed!

[tolx]

If the vodka isn't freezing, then rally is not cold enough :D
Still hope to make to monte one day... but guess, accomodation/car rent/cathering n stuff make up quite expensive package?

[Mirek]

You can find cheap accommodation in France (during RMC You have anyway time to only sleep there). Cheap hotels like B&B, Etap etc. are in all bigger cities.

[Simmi]

Best way to ensure winter tyres on your hire car?

Hiring from Lyon. I guess try and do the booking over the phone and specify?

[Mirek]

This time I can't help. We were always with our own car.

[wwbroe]

You can try to rent the car in Grenoble, that is about the only place where you will have winter tyres.

[Andre Oliveira]

Andolfi instead Betti in 124 Abarth RGT.

[JTGANG]

We rent a car with snow tyres at Marseille Airport from Sixt for an extra 88 euros...And is only 175 km from Gap

[Mirek]

88 Euro extra for winter tyres? They aren't greedy at all...

[JTGANG]

88 Euro extra for winter tyres? They aren't greedy at all...

If you are in the need...Imagine the cost for chains was 64e...At least Marseille is in the middle of Gap - Monte Carlo and airtickets are quite cheap from Greece

[Rallyper]

@Rallyper-you are already handicaped with winter period for eight months, so it is easy to say for you...on the other hand, go once for example to Italy in summer and ''melt'' yourself at 35 degrees....I did it many times...and I enjoyed!

However I wouldn´t hesitate going despite hot weather... :)

[Oppositelock]

We rent a car with snow tyres at Marseille Airport from Sixt for an extra 88 euros...And is only 175 km from Gap

Please tell us, whether the plan worked.

I reserved cars with winter tyres a couple of times from Nice Airport. They were always confirmed. But when I arrived it was the same story every time: Sorry, our mistake. But we don't have winter tyres right now. But we give you snow chains . . .

[JTGANG]

Please tell us, whether the plan worked.

I reserved cars with winter tyres a couple of times from Nice Airport. They were always confirmed. But when I arrived it was the same story every time: Sorry, our mistake. But we don't have winter tyres right now. But we give you snow chains . . .

hhhmmm...that's not good....i hope we won't end up this way...will let you know in 23 days

[Mirek]

Czech driver Ondřej Bisaha confirmed start on Monte Carlo with Fiesta R5.

[cmac]

When do the organisers put up maps of the car parking roads for spectators? I can't find it anyway at the minute!

[tommeke_B]

When do the organisers put up maps of the car parking roads for spectators? I can't find it anyway at the minute!

I don't think they put much spectator-info online. But here's something that should be helpful for you: http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/forum/73-monte-carlo-2017-les-sp%C3%A9ciales/ . People from this French forum have put together a great guide (as they probably do every year, I remember they did for Rallye de France-Alsace as well).

[Simmi]

I've been cross-referencing the maps now up on the official site with this page which gives you some basic parking information.

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/cartes-spectateurs-rallye-monte-carlo-2017/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@OfficialWRC It's 2017 and the Monte countdown has begun ! https://t.co/2yHRng0lMB https://t.co/nalZeLobBb

[dimviii]

eWRC-results ‏@eWRCresults

Brian Bouffier with @MSportLtd Fiesta R5 in 2017 season. Start at @rallyemontecarl @ACM_Media @OfficialWRC

[sete]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=17697

[sete]

Bouffier will start with Fiesta R5 from Czech team Gemini which he drove last year with theirs Ds3 R5

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1O5HXOWQAE4V9n.jpg

[Dejan]

Entry list:http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Liste-par-ordre-de-priorité-9_finalAC.pdf

[rage82]

So Elfyn will drive the 3-rd M- sport car in Monte Carlo, let's see with which tires on it.

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[dimviii]

Why Tidemand entry is with ''Skoda motorsport II'' while Kopecky and Mikkelsen is just ''Skoda Motorsport''?

[Mirek]

26 r5...

[hari]

Why Tidemand entry is with ''Skoda motorsport II'' while Kopecky and Mikkelsen is just ''Skoda Motorsport''?

Any team registered in WRC 2 and/or WRC 3 may not enter more than two (2) cars in each championship rally in 2017.
http://www.fia.com/file/51736/download/9275?token=QMBmt7-1

[WUff1]

So is Bouffier doing a full WRC2 campaign?

[EstWRC]

Paddon with nr.4 ? Didnt Neuville finish ahead of him in the standings?

[tomhlord]

Jose Maria Lopez - That should be fun!

[BigWorm]

Paddon with nr.4 ? Didnt Neuville finish ahead of him in the standings?

Yeah, getting obvious that Hyundai are prioriting Paddon

[AL14]

Paddon with nr.4 ? Didnt Neuville finish ahead of him in the standings?

I guess that's not the number of the car or just a little mistake from who compiled the document.

[WRC1]

I guess that's not the number of the car or just a little mistake from who compiled the document.

i think the person who compiled this document had a bad day...or Kevin Abbring changed his nationality :)

[EightGear]

i think the person who compiled this document had a bad day...or Kevin Abbring changed his nationality :)
Does anyone know why he is not with Seb Marshall for this event?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Elfyn will drive the 3-rd M- sport car in Monte Carlo, let's see with which tires on it.

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Reports state he will be on DMacks..

[ZequeArgentina]

Jose Maria Lopez - That should be fun!

This is a french "Jose María Lopez", not my Argentinean countrymate WTCC 3 times champion.
Already done Monte in a Peugeot (the french guy)

[A FONDO]

That crazy guy with red-blue 208 was Suarez, right?

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes Suarez :)

[tomhlord]

This is a french "Jose María Lopez", not my Argentinean countrymate WTCC 3 times champion.
Already done Monte in a Peugeot (the french guy)

Aha, thank you!

[tomhlord]

I guess that's not the number of the car or just a little mistake from who compiled the document.

Looks like the document is correct - https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/816258093642354688

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1PtT9iXcAEA-0q.jpg

[EstWRC]

this is weird for me but OK

[A FONDO]

Yes Suarez :)

Don't see him in the list :( anyone knows what his plans for this year are?

[rp]

Paddon with nr.4 ? Didnt Neuville finish ahead of him in the standings?

Neuville got 1st choice as he was the best placed Hyundai driver in 2016 and chose to use number 5. Paddon took then number 4 and number 6 was left for Sordo...

[EstWRC]

ok thats cleared then

[mousti]

This is a french "Jose María Lopez", not my Argentinean countrymate WTCC 3 times champion.
Already done Monte in a Peugeot (the french guy)
He is not French but Spanish and won the 208 Rally cup in France. He will do WRC events with 208 R5 of Sainteloc.

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[dupanton]

He is not French but Spanish and won the 208 Rally cup in France. He will do WRC events with 208 R5 of Sainteloc.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G935F met Tapatalk

Yes, same price and so it should be a similar programma to what Suarez did last year.

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville 10m
10 minutes ago

will be the number on our @HMSGOfficial i20WRC for the @OfficialWRC. You like it? Happy the team give me the opportunity to choose for it

[dimviii]

David Evans ‏@davidevansrally 16m
16 minutes ago

Very interesting chat with @DMACK_Tyres this morning. Stay tuned to @MNRally and @Autosport_Show next week...

[BigWorm]

Neuville got 1st choice as he was the best placed Hyundai driver in 2016 and chose to use number 5. Paddon took then number 4 and number 6 was left for Sordo...

Drivers can choose numbers? I didn't know that!

I remember McRae finishing above Sainz in 2001 but Sainz drove with number 4 and McRae with 5 in 2002.

[pantealex]

Drivers can choose numbers? I didn't know that!

I remember McRae finishing above Sainz in 2001 but Sainz drove with number 4 and McRae with 5 in 2002.

1st year or VW they had lottery of numbers between Ogier and Latvala, both wanted smaller one.

[dimviii]

from Seb Marshall twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1QwZtTWgAAUnd5.jpg

[BigWorm]

from Seb Marshall twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1QwZtTWgAAUnd5.jpg

Good luck to him, likeable fellow I thought

[EightGear]

Will be interesting to see where he ends up. Reading that text you get the sense he will be co driving somewhere higher up. No idea with who that could be.

[dimviii]

Will be interesting to see where he ends up. Reading that text you get the sense he will be co driving somewhere higher up. No idea with who that could be.

Timo Anis ‏@TimoAnis 3h
3 hours ago

@Becsywecsy @sebmarshall @oregonwings i think i already know!

[seb_sh]

That entry list looks great! Haven't been so excited for a Monte for a long time! :D

The only big regret is Mikkelsen who should really have been in a WRC, but at least it gives us a nice reference for all the WRC2 drivers.

[dimviii]

Matteo Deriu ‏@Bartolbia84

Translate from Italian
Test pre @ACM_Media per @Andolfifabio e #Noberasco in Italia @TeamAbarth #fiat124rgt #RMC17

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1UlVk2WQAAyIwo.jpg

[Mirek]

No matter how fast it goes it still looks beautiful.

[AL14]

I will be there from thursday to sunday. On thursday will be the first time I watch a rally during the night. I'm pretty excited to see these new cars live and in competitive mode. Can't wait for it.

[rage82]

I'm planing our schedule for the rally and looks like that at the moment - Thursday 1 ss; Friday - 2 ss, trying to figure out a way to watch more than 2 but I think it's impossible. Maybe only if you watch first 5-6 cars but even than I'm not sure that you can make it. And 3 ss on Saturday, no Sunday for us as we have a flight to catch and didn't want to bother going south. What are your plans guys? Would be nice to hear.

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[Simmi]

WED: Planning Shakedown service on Weds. Our flight gets in agonizingly just too late for Shakedown.
THU: SS2 in the night.
FRI: SS4/7 Aspres-les-Corps – Chaillol (walking distance onto the stage from our B&B that day). Hoping to go to somewhere near the 'guy with the flare' snow section from last year. Depends on the weather.
SAT: SS10/12 La Batie Monsaleon – Faye - Access via Savournon and walk up to bends below Tanak crash zone from 2 years ago.
SUN: SS14/16 Lucéram – Col St Roch - Recommendations welcome

Just need to get the hire car sorted now.

[dimviii]

. On thursday will be the first time I watch a rally during the night..

its just pure magic at night.You will never forget it.

[Mirek]

I will be there from thursday to sunday. On thursday will be the first time I watch a rally during the night. I'm pretty excited to see these new cars live and in competitive mode. Can't wait for it.

Take a place so that You don't look directly into the headlights, they are really blinding ;)

[AL14]

its just pure magic at night.You will never forget it.

Can't wait. Will write my impressions at the end of the rally and try to send some video and pictures.


Take a place so that You don't look directly into the headlights, they are really blinding ;)

Ok, thanks for the tip mate :)

[dimviii]

Can't wait. Will write my impressions at the end of the rally and try to send some video and pictures.
you mean that you will NOT inform us through the stages? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/rant2.gif

[AL14]

you mean that you will NOT inform us through the stages? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/rant2.gif

lol :D
I will try to send some pictures from my friend photographer then ;)

[rage82]

WED: Planning Shakedown service on Weds. Our flight gets in agonizingly just too late for Shakedown.
THU: SS2 in the night.
FRI: SS4/7 Aspres-les-Corps – Chaillol (walking distance onto the stage from our B&B that day). Hoping to go to somewhere near the 'guy with the flare' snow section from last year. Depends on the weather.
SAT: SS10/12 La Batie Monsaleon – Faye - Access via Savournon and walk up to bends below Tanak crash zone from 2 years ago.
SUN: SS14/16 Lucéram – Col St Roch - Recommendations welcome

Just need to get the hire car sorted now.

So our plan is:
Thu: ss2, maybe somewhere near the finish of the stage.
Fri: ss 4/7 some 3 km after the start of the stage, or most probably ss 5/ 8 at Ancelle where Meeke has his moment last year.
Sat: ss 9/11 and then going to the last stage of the day ss13.

[Mintexmemory]

He got stuck because he had only 3rd gear and higher and was the first one on the road to plough it.

Anyway Melichárek is quicker than both Majerčák and Cvrček.

Was the gear problem one that developed during the stage or one that was evident at the start?
Standing in the rain at Moulinet with no shelter for 8 hours only to have the stage cancelled makes it extremely hard for me to accept any extenuating circumstances!

[BigWorm]

Breen updated number with 14 in MC entry list instead of 12. Also eligible for manufacturers' points?

http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Liste-par-ordre-de-priorit%C3%A9-15_finalAC.pdf

[Simmi]

Early weather forecasts anyone? Bone dry I'm guessing given I'm heading over?

[pantealex]

Breen updated number with 14 in MC entry list instead of 12. Also eligible for manufacturers' points?

http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Liste-par-ordre-de-priorit%C3%A9-15_finalAC.pdf

NO, you can´t score manu points with 2016 car and also #9 should be number if driving for manu points.

Another number change:
Quentin Giordano was #37, he is now #43
so that must mean Bertelli has reserved #37 and is going to drive some rounds

[BigWorm]

NO, you can´t score manu points with 2016 car and also #9 should be number if driving for manu points.

Another number change:
Quentin Giordano was #37, he is now #43
so that must mean Bertelli has reserved #37 and is going to drive some rounds

I thought so too, but his entry is tagged with an M which confuses me.

[bluuford]

Early weather forecasts anyone? Bone dry I'm guessing given I'm heading over?

Be ready for -20 C ;)

[PLuto]

Be ready for -20 C ;)

And snow?

[AL14]

Be ready for -20 C ;)

Are you kidding or serious?

[Sulland]

There are polar winds flying around these days.
Far north in Norway we have been down to -50 during past week!

[Walach]

Standing in the rain at Moulinet with no shelter for 8 hours only to have the stage cancelled makes it extremely hard for me to accept any extenuating circumstances!

It is rallying.

[Mirek]

Be ready for -20 C ;)

Really?

[bluuford]

Really?

It is too far to tell exactly but general meteorological maps say that in the mountains, higher elevations, -20 on that week is likely. However, it can change quickly :) This year, it has been a bit strange, verything is changig very quickly, low and high pressure areas are switching their places like 3 years old children :P
Quick changes means also precipitation. So, too early to call but cold and snowy Monte is likely.

[Mirek]

Don't know how in France but here in CZ it's been so far definitely reasonably colder than last year. Also a lot more snow.

[traxx]

In France, this year, in the Alps, there is less snow as usual, but the snow is coming... Let's see next days ;)

[Rallyper]

It is rallying.

Hagfors 1978 (?) Swedish Rally we had -36 degrees. Cold but enjoyable. :)

[BigWorm]

1164

Looks like proper Monte conditions

[Grundo Farb]

Will be interesting to see where he ends up. Reading that text you get the sense he will be co driving somewhere higher up. No idea with who that could be.

It will be paddon I think. Kennard is talking about retirement and Marshall has codriven for paddon in some tests.

[EstWRC]

so 2 co-driver changes this season then? Tänak and Paddon or when does Kennard retires?

[BicioWrc]

EstWRC...do you know why the change of Co-Driver for Ott? i was thinking he had good feeling with Raigo Molder

[EstWRC]

Yes, they worked very well together but personal reasons for Raigo, mainly two ones: too much time away from home and his wife is expecting a child. It was his decision to quit and i know that Wilson didnt like this at all. I think why Wilson didnt like this at all is the same fear that many rally fans in estonia now have, Tänak may loose his stability and the crashes may come again.

I have lowered my expectations as well for Ott, i dont think he will crash but i think it will take a couple of rallies for him and Järveoja to make things work. If Raigo had stayed then i would had very very high hopes for this season but now lets say i have just HIGH hopes without two very-s :D

[AL14]

Yes, they worked very well together but personal reasons for Raigo, mainly two ones: too much time away from home and his wife is expecting a child. It was his decision to quit and i know that Wilson didnt like this at all. I think why Wilson didnt like this at all is the same fear that many rally fans in estonia now have, Tänak may loose his stability and the crashes may come again.

I have lowered my expectations as well for Ott, i dont think he will crash but i think it will take a couple of rallies for him and Järveoja to make things work. If Raigo had stayed then i would had very very high hopes for this season but now lets say i have just HIGH hopes without two very-s :D

They will not need a lifetime to make things work. Some rally for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, they already drive together don't they?
I think that this year Ott will do very good. Also having Ogier as benchmark will make him give the best possible. Let's see.

[dimviii]

Evans didn't changed also codriver?

[BigWorm]

Yes, they worked very well together but personal reasons for Raigo, mainly two ones: too much time away from home and his wife is expecting a child. It was his decision to quit and i know that Wilson didnt like this at all. I think why Wilson didnt like this at all is the same fear that many rally fans in estonia now have, Tänak may loose his stability and the crashes may come again.

I have lowered my expectations as well for Ott, i dont think he will crash but i think it will take a couple of rallies for him and Järveoja to make things work. If Raigo had stayed then i would had very very high hopes for this season but now lets say i have just HIGH hopes without two very-s :D

At least he has worked with Järveoja before. Should be fine, he has matured now.


Evans didn't changed also codriver?

Went back to Barritt. Strange, I thought Barritt retired.

[EstWRC]

Very good to read that you guys know some history about Tänak, yes indeed he has driven with Järveoja before. In 2013 in estonian championship.

But this new machine is a different thing and Järveoja has admitted in interviews that everything comes very quickly but they both have been very confident together with Tänak.

But since this is a Monte thread then i dont have big expectations for Monte mainly because Järveoja has never driven there. TOP5 would be great but we will see.

[AL14]

Very good to read that you guys know some history about Tänak.

You know, there is a member in this forum that talks a little often about him :D

[pantealex]

Went back to Barritt. Strange, I thought Barritt retired.

Barritt was with Takamoto Katsuta at Toyota Gazoo Junior program 2016 (Tommi Mäkinen Racing, Fiesta R5)

[SubaruNorway]

Yes, they worked very well together but personal reasons for Raigo, mainly two ones: too much time away from home and his wife is expecting a child. It was his decision to quit and i know that Wilson didnt like this at all. I think why Wilson didnt like this at all is the same fear that many rally fans in estonia now have, Tänak may loose his stability and the crashes may come again.

I have lowered my expectations as well for Ott, i dont think he will crash but i think it will take a couple of rallies for him and Järveoja to make things work. If Raigo had stayed then i would had very very high hopes for this season but now lets say i have just HIGH hopes without two very-s :D

Mikkelsen and Jæger got a 2nd in their first rally together, Jæger had a couple of years experience so no excuses now ;)

[EstWRC]

no excuses for sure, i am talking about my personal expectations.

[Mirek]

Video from test of Kopecký in CZ with a lot of snow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ635ljRLj8

The usual weird Monte stuff is in - like very slowly looking runs on wrong tyres. Also many runs with switched off or very low-level ALS.

Some story from 2010 about this strange perception of speed in Monte Conditions. We were on Col de Turini waiting for the cars to come. All the road from the start (in that time in Peira Cava) down to Turini was full snow. We drove it before start and knew the conditions well. Škodas were drifting wide and spectacular obviously on studded tyres. Then came Ogier. He drove very slowly and completely clean. It looked like somebody going to supermarket and he was loosing half a minute already after seven kilometers. What was our surprise when the times from the finish started to arrive. Ogier was half a minute faster than Škoda guys and we thought WTF? The key was that all the long downhill from Turini to La Bolléne was dry and he took asphalt tyres.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier gravel crew will remain the same?

[nafpaktos]

. Also many runs with switched off or very low-level ALS.


why this?


Ogier gravel crew will remain the same?

joseph still????

[PLuto]

The usual weird Monte stuff is in - like very slowly looking runs on wrong tyres. Also many runs with switched off or very low-level ALS.

Some story from 2010 about this strange perception of speed in Monte Conditions. We were on Col de Turini waiting for the cars to come. All the road from the start (in that time in Peira Cava) down to Turini was full snow. We drove it before start and knew the conditions well. Škodas were drifting wide and spectacular obviously on studded tyres. Then came Ogier. He drove very slowly and completely clean. It looked like somebody going to supermarket and he was loosing half a minute already after seven kilometers. What was our surprise when the times from the finish started to arrive. Ogier was half a minute faster than Škoda guys and we thought WTF? The key was that all the long downhill from Turini to La Bolléne was dry and he took asphalt tyres.

And that is the reason why I like Monte. But this "tyre strategy" is now more difficult not only because of not so changing weather, but also because of limits and rules for tyres per event.

[dimviii]

why this?


sometimes when very slippery,you don't want the big push when touching the gas pedal with antilag.
They have various stages of how hard the antilag will ''push'' but even at lower level its still pushing violently at low friction surfaces.

[Mariusz]

sometimes when very slippery,you don't want the big push when touching the gas pedal with antilag.
They have various stages of how hard the antilag will ''push'' but even at lower level its still pushing violently at low friction surfaces.
Yep, Kubica crashed last year in Monte because he didn't switch off the ALS.

[Mirek]

Crash of Camilli from last year's Monte could be similar case.

[Mirek]

why this?

It's like Dimviii explained. It's especially bad on Monte as the wide tyres with short studs don't give a lot of grip. The throttle control over ice/snow is sometimes pretty difficult with them.

[nafpaktos]

if you switch off the antilag you will have the same push from the engine but some tenths of a second later.am i wrong?it's not up to driver how push will take from the engine?(depends on how much sensitive is his right foot)

[Andre Oliveira]

Bisaha testing to MC, pic by Marcel Svacina

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15965612_1288991821165785_8665818211964624688_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=e0ee7d00324717f174a1721722a72303&oe=58DB121E

[Mirek]

if you switch off the antilag you will have the same push from the engine but some tenths of a second later.am i wrong?it's not up to driver how push will take from the engine?(depends on how much sensitive is his right foot)

No, not really. It's not like after some delay there would be a full pressure out of the sudden. In fact when You step on the gas without ALS the exhaust gass pressure starts to grow. How it grows the turbo rotation speed grows as well and so does the turbo pressure. It's not a 0-1 step but a curve.

The acceleration of the turbo depends a lot on its size. When talking about situation without ALS the smaller turbos have rather rapid response and give good pressure at low engine rpm but don't bring anything for high engine rpm because the turbo gets beyond its safe rotation speed. These turbos are typical for modern stock engines. They add torque at low rpm but don't add much to the peak power.

The larger turbos which You need for racing give more pressure at high engine rpm but are slow to accelerate from iddle state (due to larger inertia of the compressor and turbine) and also the exhaust gasses at low engine rpm don't have enough energy to propel them, i.e. such turbos don't bring much at low rpm and need ALS or electric motor to speed up their response.

[Sulland]

R classes should be allowed to run narrower wintertyres than WRCar, to create some interesting results.

but to be honost, all rallycars should be allowed narrower wintertyres. Many people that drives much on snow chooses to buy narrower wintertyres from a safety perspective. Same should apply to rally cars.

[BigWorm]

R classes should be allowed to run narrower wintertyres than WRCar, to create some interesting results.

but to be honost, all rallycars should be allowed narrower wintertyres. Many people that drives much on snow chooses to buy narrower wintertyres from a safety perspective. Same should apply to rally cars.

Maybe they count on stages where winter tyres are used could be dry on some or most places. Narrower winter tyrers wouldn't be ideal then.

[nafpaktos]

The acceleration of the turbo depends a lot on its size. When talking about situation without ALS the smaller turbos have rather rapid response and give good pressure at low engine rpm but don't bring anything for high engine rpm because the turbo gets beyond its safe rotation speed. These turbos are typical for modern stock engines. They add torque at low rpm but don't add much to the peak power.

The larger turbos which You need for racing give more pressure at high engine rpm but are slow to accelerate from iddle state (due to larger inertia of the compressor and turbine) and also the exhaust gasses at low engine rpm don't have enough energy to propel them, i.e. such turbos don't bring much at low rpm and need ALS or electric motor to speed up their response.

Where do you classify the turbo of the wrcars?i suppose to relatively small ones since they can switch off the the als if it is needed.

[br21]

You need to remember also that ALS in WRC cars is little bit different than this in R5 (or gpN). That in WRC is not pushing the car that much. In gpN evo with strong ALS when you release your foot from throttle car is still moving, similar with R5, with WRC with fresh air valves it's different. (I'm not 100% sure 2017 WRC cars are allowed to use such type of ALS, but I'm almost sure). So testing such option like driving without ALS makes sense with R5 on very slippery roads, but with WRC usually not (only if it's crazy slippery and then you want very slow/low throttle response). But it's off-topic, sorry.

[Mirek]

You are right, I saw some funny accident with an Evo gn.N on ice with a driver who drove it for the first time. It happened in a speed of walking but he couldn't stop it with the ALS on :)

I'm quite sure that WRC cars have the air bypass still allowed.


Where do you classify the turbo of the wrcars?i suppose to relatively small ones since they can switch off the the als if it is needed.

The WRC turbo is reasonably bigger than of common stock cars. I would say my 1.4TSI turbo may be roughly half of the WRC one in diameter and also the boost is a lot smaller 0,6 bar compared to 1,5 bar. The rotating inertia grows with a square of the diameter but on the other hand with a WRC engine one has to take into account that the exhaust pressures aren't really comparable with the stock engine.

[br21]

Garrett MGT2260 as an example of R5 turbo, Garrett TR30R as an example of WRC turbo. So you can check and compare sizes on your own.

[dimviii]

or google IHI RX6 was used at Subaru wrc cars.

[pantealex]

R classes should be allowed to run narrower wintertyres than WRCar, to create some interesting results.

but to be honost, all rallycars should be allowed narrower wintertyres. Many people that drives much on snow chooses to buy narrower wintertyres from a safety perspective. Same should apply to rally cars.

Production of narrow (16") studded tyres is ending (or even ended)

Here is story from AKK (Finlands motorsport federation) http://www.autourheilu.fi/uutiset/talviralleissa-tulevaisuudessa-kaytettavat-renkaat/

[Mirek]

2WD cars use a lot narrower tyres than WRC cars in Monte. It has been like that for years.

[Eli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgqJruQXPY hopefully it won't happen to Meeke this time round...

[Mirek]

At least that stage is not in the itinerary ;)

It was a great stage though and it was used this year for a lot of tests :)

[Simmi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgqJruQXPY hopefully it won't happen to Meeke this time round...

Oh man I remember watching that live. Awesome years.

[Mirek]

I was on that stage close to the finish (with Pluto). There was a lot of fresh snow, we got even stuck on the way to our spot. First cars had it very difficult (I think Wittmann and Alén) and then there was the gap with no Meeke and no Hänninen coming. Later we learned they crashed nearly on the same spot. That brought a massive disappointment.

A friend's photo from our place on that stage catching Ogier going for the first major victory of his career
http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/e18d375f13566fb3b2185c833dcdd1a6.jpg

EDIT: Ups, I speak about different Meeke's accident from a year before, sorry :)

[Eli]

Hopefully they won't disappoint us this year

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[Barreis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgqJruQXPY hopefully it won't happen to Meeke this time round...

i love that iRC days

[nafpaktos]

That in WRC is not pushing the car that much. In gpN evo with strong ALS when you release your foot from throttle car is still moving, similar with R5,

You mean that for some tenths when the driver is on the brakes the car <pushes >the throttle on its own?????i am a bit confused!

[stefanvv]

You mean that for some tenths when the driver is on the brakes the car <pushes >the throttle on its own?????i am a bit confused!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilag_system

[dimviii]

You mean that for some tenths when the driver is on the brakes the car <pushes >the throttle on its own?????i am a bit confused!

yes,the butterfly is not fully closed,so the compressed air from turbo still circulates air mixture into the cylinders=push
λογω της πεταλούδας γκαζιού που δεν είναι κλειστη ,ενώ εχεις αφησει τελειως το γκαζι,αυτο σπρωχνει ακομα,το ποσο δυνατα θα σπρωχνει, εχει να κανει με το ποσο επιθετικο antilag εχεις ρυθμισει.Καποια είναι ρυθμισμένα να σηκωνουν πιεση 0,5 bar,καποια 0,8 bar και καποια αρκετα παραπανω.
Πλεον υπαρχουν διάφοροι χαρτες ηδη φορτωμένοι που μπορεις να εχεις το επιθυμητο αντιλαγκ αναλογα το ποσο βολεβει τονκαθε οδηγο σε κάθε οδόστρωμα.

[PLuto]

Production of narrow (16") studded tyres is ending (or even ended)

Here is story from AKK (Finlands motorsport federation) http://www.autourheilu.fi/uutiset/talviralleissa-tulevaisuudessa-kaytettavat-renkaat/

Manufacturers promised to FIA few years ago that they will stop producing "non-ERC" tyres. And you know the reality...

[Mirek]

You mean that for some tenths when the driver is on the brakes the car <pushes >the throttle on its own?????i am a bit confused!

Yes, the more primitive ALS which is allowed for R5 cars behaves like the car is pushing the throttle itself because the engine itself is part of the ALS function. WRC cars have extra air channel which by-passes the engine and brings the air directly to the exhaust. Therefore the engine itself isn't needed for ALS function.

[Andre Oliveira]

Simone Tempestini testing to MC, pics from Marco Tempestini facebook

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15871721_1327613973962978_5845749281606820652_n.jp g?oh=51e06ff3f5b9056a672caff8e679031b&oe=58E6A309

[nafpaktos]

Yes, the more primitive ALS which is allowed for R5 cars behaves like the car is pushing the throttle itself because the engine itself is part of the ALS function. WRC cars have extra air channel which by-passes the engine and brings the air directly to the exhaust. Therefore the engine itself isn't needed for ALS function.

how much this affects the braking distance?

[Mirek]

We are way off topic ;)

[nafpaktos]

i accept pm

[cosmin_sb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK5NDIomGqc
Tempestini testing for MC today.

[ZequeArgentina]

He is not French but Spanish and won the 208 Rally cup in France. He will do WRC events with 208 R5 of Sainteloc.

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Oh, thanks for the correction, so not Argentinean, not French: SPANISH!!

[Allyc85]

Well hopefully in a weeks time our group will have touched down in Nice and will just be picking up our hire car. Can't wait for my second Monte, and to see the 2017 beasts up close!