25 Rally Rzeszow / 25 Rajd Rzeszowski

[Mad Max]

Hi everyone
She started the rally site, where you can find the first information on the event
http://www.rajd.rzeszow.pl/pl/strona-glowna/

Thursday, 4 August 2016

Qualifying Stage (Free Practice) – Niechobrz (3,17 km) – 08:00
Qualifying Stage – Niechobrz (3,17 km) – 10:33
Shakedown – Niechobrz (3,17 km) – 12:00

Pre-start Park – Rzeszów, Millenium Hall – 16:00
Start order selection – Rzeszów, Millenium Hall – 16:15
Autograph Signing Session – Rzeszów, Millenium Hall – 16:30
CEREMONIAL START – Rzeszów, Millenium Hall – 17:00

SS-1 Rzeszów (4,05 km) – 20:00

Friday, 5 August 2016

Service A (Rzeszów, Podpromie) – 09:05

SS-2 Konieczkowa 1 (8,82 km) – 10:10
SS-3 Lubenia 1 (24,44 km) – 10:55
SS-4 Chmielnik 1 (18,90 km) – 12:05

Service B (Rzeszów, Podpromie) – 13:10

SS-5 Konieczkowa 2 (8,82 km) – 14:30
SS-6 Lubenia 2 (24,44 km) – 15:15
SS-7 Chmielnik 2 (18,90 km) – 16:25

Flexi Service C (Rzeszów, Podpromie) – 17:20

Saturday, 6 August 2016

Service D (Rzeszów, Podpromie) – 08:05

SS-8 Korczyna 1 (24,11 km) – 09:35
SS-9 Wysoka 1 (9,14 km) – 10:20
SS-10 Zagorzyce 1 (19,82 km) – 11:05

Service E (Rzeszów, Podpromie) – 12:35

SS-11 Korczyna 2 (24,11 km) – 14:20
SS-12 Wysoka 2 (9,14 km) – 15:05
SS-13 Zagorzyce 2 (19,82 km) – 15:50

Service F (Rzeszów, Podpromie) – 17:20

CEREMONIAL FINISH – Rzeszów, Market Square – 17:40

I invite you all to come to our rally because the routes are among the best in Poland, and certainly everyone will find something interesting to watch.

[Jarek Z]

Rally Rzeszow is the 7th round of European Rally Championship. It takes place on narrow, winding tarmac roads in the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains in southeast Poland, close to the Ukranian and Slovakian borders. It is going to start on 04/08/2016.

Official website:
http://www.rajd.rzeszow.pl/en/start/

Entry list:
http://www.rajd.rzeszow.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/E_R_C_lista_zgloszen_2016-07-25_22_48_01.pdf

Rally Rzeszow is going to make its debut in the ERC, but in the past this rally was won by Bryan Bouffier 4 times, by Kajto twice and by Grzyb also twice.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajd_Rzeszowski

[liposh]

Interesting entry list. I mean interesting is the fact that there are so few Czechs and Slovaks or simply anybody from middle europe. Tarabus could be very fast on such surface but he is not there. I also expect Tlustak to be quite fast....well, "fast" is strong word, but I think the surface will fit him.

[Mirek]

Really weak list. I wanted to go but it doesn't look worth it :(

Is there any reason why entry fee was 3x higher than for Barum?

[Jarek Z]

I also expect Tlustak to be quite fast....well, "fast" is strong word, but I think the surface will fit him.

I see the weather is very nice in Czech Republic and the sun is burning hot today? ;)

[RS]

Thank god Bouffier is there so there might be some kind of fight until his Citroën breaks down.

[Jarek Z]

Ralfs Sirmacis is trying to raise money through his Facebook page in order to compete in Rally Rzeszow. If you want to fund his start visit his fan page at https://www.facebook.com/ralfs.sirmacis?fref=ts and transfer the money to the bank account given there :)
He is apparently still missing 40 000 Euro. Is it a lot? How much of a budget does one need in order to drive 1 ERC round?

By the way - how would you guys invest if you had the money? Would you bet on Bergkvist (who is trying to collect money in a similar way in WRC2) or Sirmacis?

[Wim_Impreza]

If I had the money, I would invest in Sirmacis. With so little experience in a 4WD car, he showed exceptional potential this year. For me, Sirmacis is the biggest positive surprise in international rallying this year and he is learning fast.

I must also say that ERC is for me much more interesting to follow than WRC now and in the past years. On the Eurosport coverage of the ERC, you have coverage for all top runners and even the best Group N/R4 cars and Junior drivers, while I haven't seen one R5 car on TV in WRC2 this year in the WRC coverage. Even when a WRC2 car is in the top 10 overall before the Power Stage in the WRC, they show a WRC car that is competing in Rally 2...

[Mirek]

I must also say that ERC is for me much more interesting to follow than WRC now and in the past years.

Seriously?

[RS]

Ralfs Sirmacis is trying to raise money through his Facebook page in order to compete in Rally Rzeszow. If you want to fund his start visit his fan page at https://www.facebook.com/ralfs.sirmacis?fref=ts and transfer the money to the bank account given there :)
He is apparently still missing 40 000 Euro. Is it a lot? How much of a budget does one need in order to drive 1 ERC round?

By the way - how would you guys invest if you had the money? Would you bet on Bergkvist (who is trying to collect money in a similar way in WRC2) or Sirmacis?

Isn't a bit late?

And based on what we have seen this year, I would invest in Sirmacis.

[RS]

I must also say that ERC is for me much more interesting to follow than WRC now and in the past years. On the Eurosport coverage of the ERC, you have coverage for all top runners and even the best Group N/R4 cars and Junior drivers, while I haven't seen one R5 car on TV in WRC2 this year in the WRC coverage. Even when a WRC2 car is in the top 10 overall before the Power Stage in the WRC, they show a WRC car that is competing in Rally 2...

If we are talking ERC vs WRC2 I mostly agree.

There are some great drivers in WRC2, but the media coverage is near non-existent and the nature of the championship, with so many events still means your position in the championship can largely depend upon which events you choose.

I would like to see WRC2 maybe selecting 7-8 qualifying events instead of making all WRC rounds eligible and that could concentrate the entries and make for closer battles and a proper championship fight.

[PLuto]

I would like to see WRC2 maybe selecting 7-8 qualifying events instead of making all WRC rounds eligible and that could concentrate the entries and make for closer battles and a proper championship fight.

WRC events needs WRC2 field. Because on some events, without WRC2, there should be only 15 crews...

[Mirek]

And there are 4 ERC regulars in Rzeszow in ERC1 so how can that be better?

Please stop lying to Yourself. The championship is anything but healthy.

[mousti]

If Ypres is already openly complaining about ERC, that's enough proof and it's a pity..

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[WUff1]

ERC has publicity, but hardly any good regular drivers anymore.

[Mirek]

ERC has publicity

I would argue its not worth much anymore.

[Wim_Impreza]

Seriously?

Yes, the champion in WRC is known already before the start of the season since 2004. What is really interesting to see in the ERC is that local drivers can still compete for a podium or sometimes even a victory. I really like the ERC Junior championship too. The Junior WRC is in a very bad position in the WRC with no coverage and even on this forum almost no one cares about it. In WRC privateers have almost never a chance to beat the factory drivers and there are only a few good privateers in WRC cars in the WRC.

I also like the fact that there are more different cars in the ERC who can challenge for a victory than in the WRC. The events in ERC are usually more nice to see (Barum, Ypres, Açores, Acropolis, Estonia... until last year Valais) than in the WRC...

[mousti]

In WRC there should not be a privateer able to win a rally, because it's the World Championship for best drivers in the world that should be chosen by manufacture teams, if a privateer wins those teams have failed quite big.. Every factory car has challenged for the win this year (although that's because of the rules) so 4 cars, only Ford failed to win one because that stone on sunday for Tanak.. And more nice to see, yes the tarmac events are mostly nicier to see like Ypres, Barum, Rzezsowski but only Ypres I attend because it's close for me and Barum for atmosphere and they have always a good entry. Other asphalt events have not such good entry mostly. And gravel events are very nice in WRC Poland and Finland are alone outstanding none can even that in ERC I think.

[Mirek]

Yes, the champion in WRC is known already before the start of the season since 2004. What is really interesting to see in the ERC is that local drivers can still compete for a podium or sometimes even a victory. I really like the ERC Junior championship too. The Junior WRC is in a very bad position in the WRC with no coverage and even on this forum almost no one cares about it. In WRC privateers have almost never a chance to beat the factory drivers and there are only a few good privateers in WRC cars in the WRC.

I also like the fact that there are more different cars in the ERC who can challenge for a victory than in the WRC. The events in ERC are usually more nice to see (Barum, Ypres, Açores, Acropolis, Estonia... until last year Valais) than in the WRC...

It amazes me that You can actually admire the misery current ERC is in. JERC doesn't save it and even that went down from last year's level.

I can't help myself but it looks like You stated that just out of principle rather than that you actually believe that ERC is more interesting than WRC.

[EightGear]

I think some people like to say they like something that's just not as good as the 'bigger brother.'

This can be anything, some people just like to do and like stuff the majority of people do and like.

Heck, people are wetting themselves when there are 6+ nice drivers on an ERC round while on WRC rounds you get loads more with a lot more skills as well.

ERC can be nice but WRC will always remain in a totally different league. Sometimes people tend to lose perspective.

[Mirek]

Actually I can name a rally which I enjoyed live a lot more when it was IRC than in WRC and that's Monte Carlo. But that already five years a go...

[EightGear]

Actually I can name a rally which I enjoyed live a lot more when it was IRC than in WRC and that's Monte Carlo. But that already five years a go...
5 years in which a lot has changed. In IRC/ERC for the worse, in WRC for the better.

[WUff1]

I would argue its not worth much anymore.

Think so too.

[Mad Max]

Video on stage
shakedown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F0YXJWih0k

Chmielnik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhPKdQ5UbzE

Korczyna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xshMYlqb3es

Wysoka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrpqPrycqsM

Zagorzyce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEKbOBFI3g

Konieczkowa - finish stage wile be on 6:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcVgi_O3pgE

[Jarek Z]

Isn't a bit late?

It seems late indeed. But maybe he will make it for Barum?
https://www.fiaerc.com/sirmacis-calls-on-fan-support-to-increase-erc-campaign/

[Jarek Z]

Kajto quickest in the qualification stage:
https://www.fiaerc.com/qualifying-stage-flash-kajetanowicz-quickest-on-home-erc-ground/

Results:
1. Kajto
2. Łukasz Habaj
3. Bryan Bouffier
4. Filip Nivette
5. Jakub Brzeziński
6. Raul Jeets

First problems in the PSA car. The starting machine (what is it called - launch system? I have no idea) in Botka's Citroen DS3 R5 doesn't work.

I think Bouffier drives the same car that he had in Ypres:

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201608/98432-bouffier.jpg

[Mirek]

Yes, Bouffier is again with Gemini team.

[Jarek Z]

Local inhabitants are well informed about the event. Rally Rzeszow in the evening news :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecc0DzngvUI

[Jarek Z]

Test sessions before the rally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf0WGbtJ2Ms

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any tv coverage of the street stage tonight ?

[RS]

Good start for Bouffier. Hope the Citroen lasts the whole rally so Kajto will have a fight to win his home event.

[TWRC]

Botka seems to be out with battery/alternator problems

[BicioWrc]

Bouffier lost 20 seconds from Kajto in stage 6, puncture?

[Mirek]

Bouffier lost 20 seconds from Kajto in stage 6, puncture?

Bouffier spun.

Kajto was slowed down a little bit on SS1 by Habaj's accident.

[Jarek Z]

Bouffier lost 20 seconds from Kajto in stage 6, puncture?

No.

Bouffier at the finish line - "I spun, a shame but it was my fault. It was the dust, I had an under steer and could not stop it."

[Jarek Z]

Kajto wins SS6 and is back in the lead:

"Pushing, full throttle, maximum. It is big battle, easy to make mistake."

[WUff1]

Rather boring rally - shows weakness of ERC very clearly.

[tc10a]

Rather boring rally - shows weakness of ERC very clearly.

Yes very boring - no interested at all for the event anywhere it seems.

[stefanvv]

Any info about the car of Jan Chmielewski? First time I see it, looks interesting from yotube videos.

[Mirek]

Yes very boring - no interested at all for the event anywhere it seems.

And it's a pity because the stages are very good and spectacular. I just don't get why they had the entry fee like Rallye Monte Carlo, basically 3x higher than other ERC rounds...

[Jarek Z]

I just don't get why they had the entry fee like Rallye Monte Carlo, basically 3x higher than other ERC rounds...

Maybe the organizers didn't want to end up like Circuit of Ireland did?

[Mirek]

So they ended with 35 cars from which a majority is local which would start anyway. Is that a good result?

[Jarek Z]

So they ended with 35 cars from which a majority is local which would start anyway. Is that a good result?

Is it so much less than in other ERC rallies?

[Mirek]

Yes, it is.

[mousti]

I expected that this would be a great event because of indeed the spectacular stages. But the entry is so weak and it's definately the ERC event with the least attention. Don't think they have a great future in ERC
..

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[Mirek]

Bouffier's spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOkpAIHdfNc
Habaj's off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_3UxZc6pk4
Bostanci's roll: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYRePy-nZrQ

[RS]

Is Bouffier using the Evo Citroën? Watching the onboards the car sounded less like a bag of nails than usual.

Regardless, his performance is pretty disappointing here. I know it's Kajto's home event but Bryan knows these roads too.

[Jarek Z]

Yes, it is.

No Mirek, it isn't. How is that different than Acropolis (35 crews) and Liepaja (37 crews)?

[Mirek]

Liepaja is going to take place in September if I am not mistaken.

Anyway what is the point to compare with the worst event? Even that one to date (Acropolis) which had very low local entry had decent ERC competition (Lukyanuk, Sirmacis, Tarabus) which is completely missing in Rzeszow.

[br21]

Fact is organizers of Rzeszow made huge mistake with that crazy high entry fee. As a beginners in the ERC they should do something to attract drivers to come. And they did nothing. All the informations they made public very late, rally week is pretty long (and they planned to make it even longer, just FIA didn't accept), entry fee is crazy high. It's worst ERC round this season regarding the entries.

[tc10a]

No more live results on rallybase? Hours delayed

[Mirek]

Sadly no this weekend.

[RS]

No more live results on rallybase? Hours delayed

I'm using official ERC website.. It's pretty good. Times update without refreshing.

[jparker]

Where is the weather man? Is it going to rain?

[Andre Oliveira]

No more live results on rallybase? Hours delayed

http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=28156&Rajd-Rzeszowski-2016

[RS]

Kajto wins his home rally, surprisingly first victory of the year.

Bouffier makes the finish with car held together by chewing gum.

Kajto only has the budget for two more events, i wonder which he'll miss?

[mousti]

Kajto wins his home rally, surprisingly first victory of the year.

Bouffier makes the finish with car held together by chewing gum.

Kajto only has the budget for two more events, i wonder which he'll miss?
He will miss Cyprus

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[WUff1]

Is Bouffier using the Evo Citroën? Watching the onboards the car sounded less like a bag of nails than usual.

Regardless, his performance is pretty disappointing here. I know it's Kajto's home event but Bryan knows these roads too.

In my opinion he lacks regular driving experience nowadays.

[bluuford]

Where is the weather man? Is it going to rain?

In fact, this rally was so badly promoted that I just dicovered that there was a rally this weekend.. well. I have been busy with fieldworks as well.

[Jarek Z]

Respect for the legend guys!
https://www.fiaerc.com/age-is-just-a-number-on-the-erc/

Do you remember 1997?

http://rallyandrace.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/holowczyc_i_wislawski.jpeg