Rally Italia Sardegna '16

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg isnt the slow driver you all said. End of.

[PLuto]

Ostberg isnt the slow driver you all said. End of.

He is usually even slower :D

[raybak]

Great result for Camilli. Not bad for a novice!!!

[dimviii]

Ostberg isnt the slow driver you all said. End of.

yes but fiesta is crap,and not a works car.

[Simmi]

Lappi stopped by the sounds of it.

[EstWRC]

Firs stage win of the year for Mads.

[TWRC]

Abbring stopped again, Bertelli is off too.

[dimviii]

Firs stage win of the year for Mads.

you mean he is slow?

[Mirek]

Lappi stopped.

[skarderud]

Firs stage win of the year for Mads.
Yes, not bad for the slowest and most useless no.1 driver in the field....

[raybak]

Seems funny for a crap car to win a stage.

[EstWRC]

Where did i say that? I just brought up a fact. superb morning for Camilli too.

[Mirek]

Gorban also stopped again.

[TWRC]

Top3 Skodas stopped, Gorban is moving again and Abbring too. Will be interesting how the rest of WRC2 cars will handle the stage.

[Mirek]

Sunninen stopped too!

[dimviii]

Sunninen stopped

[Simmi]

Nuts stage for WRC2! Fuchs the big beneficiary if he can keep it going.

[Mirek]

Lappi seems to brake LF suspension.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkqM8CQWsAEV79l.jpg

[Mirek]

Scandola +9 minutes on split 3. What the hell is going on in WRC2 :eek:

Sunninen now continues but drives just ahead of Fuchs who eats his dust...

[dimviii]

SS12: WRC 2 Suninen - WRC+ tracking shows him moving again. He has rejoined right in front of Nicholas Fuchs. #WRC

[Mirek]

Kopecký stopped too! I have no words...

Fuchs was also stopped. So ALL 5 Škodas...

Edit: Koopecký continues +1 minute.

[dimviii]

Scandola +9 minutes on split 3. What the hell is going on in WRC2 :eek:

Sunninen now continues but drives just ahead of Fuchs who eats his dust...

with all these Kopecky will be leader

edit Kopecky stopped too,oh my NOT!

[dimviii]

so Aasen new leader? lol

[AL14]

LOL. Yesterday I said that the lack of dramas in WRC2 was unusual. This morning doesn't seem the case. What the hell!

[Mirek]

Double puncture for Abbring.

[stefanvv]

Double puncture for Abbring

[EstWRC]

lol, what the hell is happening there?

[dimviii]

Al Rajhi yesterday crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLUblAv6FBQ

[Simmi]

It's a shame all of this crazy WRC2 action will be summed up in 15 seconds by WRC TV.

[Mirek]

Lappi not moving at all. All other top 4 Škodas moving very slowly. An epic disaster.

Gilbert another one in trouble.

[dimviii]

Paddons onboard crash
https://youtu.be/1QrKm_TtnEQ

[TWRC]

Aasen and Scandola stopped
Edit: Scandola moving again

[Mirek]

Aasen moving again.

[stefanvv]

lol, what the hell is happening there?

Sharp rocks beneath the soft gravel?!?

[dimviii]

so Kruuda or Kremer new leader? Yesterday they were positions 7 & 8 !!

[Mirek]

Kopecký, Fuchs and Suninen reachd finish nearly together.

[Rallyper]

Do You really believe in what You write?

Maybe you should ask that yourself, man.

[Simmi]

Wow complete communication breakdown. None of these times will count for WRC2.

[stefanvv]

Paddons onboard crash
https://youtu.be/1QrKm_TtnEQ

His "spring" is overwinded, needs to calm down a bit.

[Mirek]

Maybe you should ask that yourself, man.

He just said that the Fiesta was bad in every event this year except this one. Does it sound plausible for you?

[Mirek]

Wow complete communication breakdown. None of these times will count for WRC2.

According to Sunninen the stage was canceled due to Bertelli's SOS sign. Strange there was no information about that.

[Rallyper]

yes but fiesta is crap,and not a works car.

So now when you can´t say anything about Ostberg. It´s the car that is crap? Look at yourself.

[AL14]

Paddons onboard crash
https://youtu.be/1QrKm_TtnEQ

He's nearly crying. Come on Hayden, failing is part of the process.

SAT 11:52 - SS12: WRC 2 SUNINEN
"The SOS board was shown at the Bertelli crash. So we stopped. I think the stage is cancelled."

What happened?

[Simmi]

According to Sunninen the stage was canceled due to Bertelli's SOS sign. Strange there was no information about that.

Yeah nuts situation. If guys behind like Aasen were going off the road (if that's what's happened) then it was for nothing. I don't think there's any option but to give everyone in WRC2 the same time.

[Mirek]

So now when you can´t say anything about Ostberg. It´s the car that is crap? Look at yourself.

That was obvious sarcasm.

[raybak]

WRC2 is all over the place. Some saying that Bertelli's SOS meant that they transported through the rest of the stage, depends if they were shown a yellow flag or the yellow showed on their incar system. Kruuda was competitive the whole way through, no knowledge of a yellow? This is stuff from a club level event not a WRC.

Ray

[PLuto]

Usual "chaos" on WRC. Bertelli was showing SOS board, needs medical help for codriver. But stage was not cancelled, other cars were going rally speed and were normally starting...

[Rallyper]

He just said that the Fiesta was bad in every event this year except this one. Does it sound plausible for you?

You said it like it was a general statement of the Fiesta WRC.

[Mirek]

Kopecký confirms they drove slowly due to an SOS sign.

[Rallyper]

That was obvious sarcasm.

Can´t read sarcasms in the heat. :)

[raybak]

Just wondering if the drivers actually know the rules when shown an SOS sign? 1st car on scene to stop and assist, 2nd car to stop and take message to next radio point.

Ray

[Mirek]

Yeah nuts situation. If guys behind like Aasen were going off the road (if that's what's happened) then it was for nothing. I don't think there's any option but to give everyone in WRC2 the same time.

Aasen had FL puncture and damaged brakes, so yes, it happened...

[dimviii]

So now when you can´t say anything about Ostberg. It´s the car that is crap? Look at yourself.

i ve never said that Fiesta is crap/slow.
Mads fans said it because they were searching the reason of his slowness.That its not a works team,and that his start position is a disadvantage,

As you see all these are excuses.

[itix]

I knew the intensity of forum discussion would shoot to the sky as soon as Østberg won a stage...

[OldF]

Esapekka Lappi Rally ‏@EsapekkaLappi 5m5 minutes ago
We can not continue, can't fix it...:(

ŠKODA Motorsport ‏@MotorsportSkoda 6m6 minutes ago
SS12: "We drove this stage non competitively. A marshal was in the road with an SOS board.", Jan #Kopecky said. #SKODA

Teemu Suninen Racing ‏@TeemuSuninenRac 7m7 minutes ago
SS12 was a road section for us. Bertelli needed help and we stopped. So, the results has to remain same as after SS11, without Lappi.

[PLuto]

Just wondering if the drivers actually know the rules when shown an SOS sign? 1st car on scene to stop and assist, 2nd car to stop and take message to next radio point.

Ray

After experience from Rallye Sumava with Tidemand, they dont know about it...

[AL14]

I knew the intensity of forum discussion would shoot to the sky as soon as Østberg won a stage...

And I keep wondering why this is happening since we are talking about the most boring and uninteresting driver of WRC.

[dimviii]

Sat 12:03 - SS12 update
Organisers confirm the stage is still running but there is confusion about times, especially in WRC 2, after some drivers slowed at the scene of Bertelli's crash. We'll keep you posted.

[dimviii]

Scandolas retirement due to radiator.

[itix]

And I keep wondering why this is happening since we are talking about the most boring and uninteresting driver of WRC.
Well yeah... He is sideways I guess. He isn't the next WRC champion. He has a position in the team and he is bagging points and sometimes complains about silly shit.

So, there we go, everything that needs to be said. Can we move on now?

[dimviii]

Sat 12:16 - Bertelli update
A team spokesman tells us that Lorenzo is okay following the crash on SS12. Bertelli's co-driver, Simone Scattolin, reported neck pain and has been taken to hospital.

[RS]

Yes, not bad for the slowest and most useless no.1 driver in the field....

Six events in to the season. Not bad.

[dimviii]

Rally ItalySardinia @Rally_d_Italia

SS12 Bertelli left the road. Immediate intervention helicopter to Scattolin hospital for checks. The test is continued regularly.

[USER47]

Sat 12:16 - Bertelli update
A team spokesman tells us that Lorenzo is okay following the crash on SS12. Bertelli's co-driver, Simone Scattolin, reported neck pain and has been taken to hospital.

Good thing this is not Portugal. There he would be just called a spoiled brat and the stage would continue for another two hours...

[PLuto]

Good thing this is not Portugal. There he would be just called a spoiled brat and the stage would continue for another two hours...

But stage was not stopped and normally continued...

[dimviii]

Sat 12:30 - SS12: WRC 2 Lappi
Confirmation from Skoda that Esapekka 'went off the track' in SS12. Crew okay.

Sat 12:28 - Afternoon itinerary
There's a good chance that this afternoon's itinerary will run late as a result of the delays on SS12. We'll keep you posted.

[RS]

Another Lappcident :(

[N.O.T]

Someone should remove that useless dog bertelli from the sport.

[Zeakiwi]

Someone should remove that useless dog bertelli from the sport.

Hopefully someone encourages him to be team manager/ owner of a new Fiat/ Lancia/ Alfa Romeo WRC rally team employing the best Italian engineers, mechanics and drivers. (or even fund a Italian Honda WRC rally team)

[N.O.T]

Hopefully someone encourages him to be team manager/ owner of a new Fiat/ Lancia/ Alfa Romeo WRC rally team employing the best Italian engineers, mechanics and drivers. (or even fund a Italian Honda WRC rally team)

How many women have you seen that are successful in management ? very risky choice.

[leighton323]

How many women have you seen that are successful in management ? very risky choice.
That is absolutely outrageous, but I did chuckle.. :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

That is absolutely outrageous

Why?

[leighton323]

Why?
We both know why haha

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/62/47/Rallye_Sardinien_2016_KH_056_1624749_575b155d.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/62/46/Rallye_Sardinien_2016_KH_039_1624678_575b1558.jpg
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http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/62/46/Rallye_Sardinien_2016_KH_034_1624658_575b1557.jpg

[N.O.T]

Nice pictures... wouldn't be just amazing attending this event AL14 ? I think it would...

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/63/38/Rallye_Sardinien_2016_062_1633893_575bcba0.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/63/39/Rallye_Sardinien_2016_063_1633960_575bcba4.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/63/34/Rallye_Sardinien_2016_RM_028_1633476_575bc600.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/62/46/Rallye_Sardinien_2016_KH_035_1624660_575b1557.jpg

[dimviii]

borl leg 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2tXXw0yrY

[AL14]

Nice pictures... wouldn't be just amazing attending this event AL14 ? I think it would...

Ok, you are a bad person. Almost like another nice guy who woke me up with a video of him with a Lancia Delta S4 passing through the very same place I was last year.

[AL14]

Everybody with 5 hard tyres except Ogier 4h+1S.
Coiluna and Monti di Alà should be a mess now while Monte Lerno could be a bit less tough.

Mikkelsen 10secs penalty for leaving service 1min late. Silly one. It could cost him a position...

[Eric]

Apparently the mechanics didn't finish in time. Not good.. :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

Ostberg flies once more... great time.

[Eric]

Ostberg complains and blame his time on the "fight" before start. There is always something...Mads, man up!! :mad:

[N.O.T]

He is nothing. Never was.

[AL14]

Marshals were stupid btw.

[EstWRC]

Tänak with a puncture, was fastest in first split.

[N.O.T]

Huge attack by Neuville. Nice.

[EstWRC]

Camilli faster than Mads by 0.4 secs. Very good day so far for him

[bugwrx]

Quite hard for Tanak to show up for other teams if the tyre explodes on a straight after 10kms :)

[Eric]

Funny how Mikkelsen doesn't see Ostberg as a threat in the championship:p Only Ogier in his mind.

[EstWRC]

Quite hard for Tanak to show up for other teams if the tyre explodes on a straight after 10kms :)

yep, but im sure the WRC people there know his situation with the tyres.

[EightGear]

Abbring seems to like this stage, 2nd quickest now after winning it this morning.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkrbO6WXAAIdBUX.jpg

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally

Rain now coming down heavily at end of SS13 @Becsywecsy @go2lisa

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkrcCQAWgAABado.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally

Abbring with big impact in SS13, leaking oil and gear display indicator coming loose.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkrcYT8WEAA3Pbh.jpg

[bluuford]

Mikkelsen stopped

[Rallyper]

Problems with car for Ogier. "Something in the rear is unstable."

[Sulland]

Mikkelsen, stopped - what happened?

[Sulland]

Marshals were stupid btw.
What happened?

[bluuford]

Mikkelsen, stopped - what happened?
Do not know, seems very fast section after very fast right. Ostberg passed him in 130 km/h

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally

Abbring's parked up with bonnet open, in the rain, 3kms from end of SS13. Possible gearbox issues @HyundaiWRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkrelnPWgAALezn.jpg

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally

Really heavy rain now falling and heading towards Monti Lerno. Standing and running water on the highway

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkrfA2xWUAE9VpM.jpg

[AL14]

What happened?

THey told Ostberg to start the stage only 1 minute after Mikkelsen and only when he was at the start of the stage. He refused of course.

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen high speed crash.

[dimviii]

What happened?

crashed

[dimviii]

raining and hard compound now.

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen hit a rock and crashed. Seems it happens to other drivers than JML then.

[N.O.T]

Neuville could lose the lead if the rain caught him mid stage.

[dimviii]

Neuville could lose the lead if the rain caught him mid stage.

why? everybody is on hard compound.

[Rallyper]

Neuville loosing huge time.
Edit: Looking at WRC+ that is.

[AL14]

It is a very nice battle at the front. It is so strange none of the two has crashed yet.
Damn it would have been nice indeed to be there lol

[dimviii]

Sat 17:24 - Mikkelsen update
Crew okay. Car went off after hitting a rock. It has a broken track control arm. Mikkelsen and his co-driver are trying to fix it.

[N.O.T]

why? everybody is on hard compound.

rain reduces visibility and creates grip problems no matter the compound.

[AL14]

Neuville lost just some tenths

[cosmin_sb]

Neuville lost only 0.8s. He leads the rally.

[dimviii]

rain reduces visibility and creates grip problems no matter the compound.

Latvala had the rain problem at stage too.

[N.O.T]

rain was just at the start according to Latvala, Neuville was lucky.

[bluuford]

Neuville lost just some tenths

Yeah, when one split is missing then WRC+ is filling this cap with next split. If you want correct time then just take this time and compare with next split ;)

[AL14]

Yeah, when one split is missing then WRC+ is filling this cap with next split. If you want correct time then just take this time and compare with next split ;)

Yes it happens everytime but of course they didn't fix it because they don't care to give decent service, as always

[dimviii]

rain was just at the start according to Latvala, Neuville was lucky.

at start was for Neuville too

Sat 17:32 - SS14: Neuville
Eighth-tenths slower than Latvala and his rally lead is trimmed to 12.9sec. "I started in heavy, heavy rain for the first six or seven kilometres.

[Sulland]

Henningism, new expression from the rally radio!

[dimviii]

Sat 17:57 - WRC 2 standings
Event Stewards will decide tonight what, if any, adjustments to make to WRC 2 stage times from the earlier Monte Lerno stage (SS12).

[RS]

Sat 17:57 - WRC 2 standings
Event Stewards will decide tonight what, if any, adjustments to make to WRC 2 stage times from the earlier Monte Lerno stage (SS12).

Were the drivers right to slow or not? This is turning in to a joke.

[bluuford]

Were the drivers right to slow or not? This is turning in to a joke.

SOS= Speed On you Stupid ;)

Normal communication between officials in WRC rally:
Stage official: Car is burning, forrest is burning!
Office: Is the road clear?
Stage: yes, just a few parts of Huyndai, but forrest is burning and temperature aroudn the road is ca 1000 degrees!
Office: Is there some burnt trees fallen on the road?
Stage: No
Office: good, keep on your work
;)

[Mirek]

Aasen retired due to oil leak.

[dimviii]

Lorenzo Bertelli ‏@fuckmatie37

Luckily Simone is fine and has been dismissed from the hospital. Nothing broken for him. @Rally_d_Italia @OfficialWRC @MSportLtd

[dimviii]

how is the weather? is it raining?

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_06_2016/post-93-0-62322300-1465662334.jpg

[Eli]

how is the weather? is it raining?

to quote Colin: "it's local"

[dimviii]

Neuville on fire.

[TWRC]

Ostberg losing a lot of time

[Rallyper]

Ostberg stopped. MAybe changing tyre?

Edit: Moving again (18.35)

[Eli]

Ostberg stopped. MAybe changing tyre?

letting Sordo pass him

[AL14]

Gap from Latvala and Neuville closing up at third split.

[AL14]

Can Latvala be slowed down by Ostberg dust?

[AL14]

Am I alone here? :(

[rp]

Am I alone here? :(

Almost :) It seems that Rally Italia Sardegna is not interesting enough...

[Eli]

Am I alone here? :(

Nope, but Ogier could have left the rally and he still would have had a huge lead in the championship, if this continues, by Rally Deutschland he can take the championship honestly,the competition this year is a joke. No one is consistent enough to be on the podium on every rally...lucky he starts both days 1st on the road or else...hopefully next year will be better.

[Rallyper]

Am I alone here? :(

no

[EstWRC]

Ostberg :(

[AL14]

Thanks guys, I was feeling sad and scared.

[dimviii]

Sat 18:49 - Ostberg update
Out. He has parked up near the end of the stage. Overheard on the radio asking the team to collect the car.

[PLuto]

Were the drivers right to slow or not? This is turning in to a joke.

This is usual issue in WRC, unfortunately.

[Rallyper]

Is there a sweaping issue on second loop as well?

[PLuto]

Nope, but Ogier could have left the rally and he still would have had a huge lead in the championship, if this continues, by Rally Deutschland he can take the championship honestly,the competition this year is a joke. No one is consistent enough to be on the podium on every rally...lucky he starts both days 1st on the road or else...hopefully next year will be better.

And without his sweeping first position, he is champion now...

[N.O.T]

Is there a sweaping issue on second loop as well?

because of the yogurt pots.

[Eli]

And without his sweeping first position, he is champion now...

just shows you how good he is, or how bad the competition is, or both.

[Mirek]

Is there a sweaping issue on second loop as well?

Of course because the later running 2WD use different lines but definitely not so big issue as in the first pass.

[Mirek]

just shows you how good he is, or how bad the competition is, or both.

I would say that those are two different point of views on the same phenomena. Pity Meeke doesn't drive the whole season.

[USER47]

It's a shame Camilli had the technical issues before, he could have made a very good position with his pace.

[RS]

This is usual issue in WRC, unfortunately.

How are drivers supposed to know whether to attack or not if they don't know what their position is!?

[PLuto]

How are drivers supposed to know whether to attack or not if they don't know what their position is!?

I completely agree. We will see what will stewards do with SS 12. But for me is crazy that they were still starting new cars to the stage, where some drivers were going slowly after stopping on accident place.

[cosmin_sb]

What time will has Ostberg on this special: +7min or +10min to the Neuville time?

[Rallyper]

What time will has Ostberg on this special: +7min or +10min to the Neuville time?

Should be +10 min, bcs he´s still on the stage and out for today.

[bluuford]

I completely agree. We will see what will stewards do with SS 12. But for me is crazy that they were still starting new cars to the stage, where some drivers were going slowly after stopping on accident place.
Reminds me ten years ago small event in Estonia when I was spectating with my oldest child. Just before last few cars it started to rain heavily and I ran to my car, that was parked behind bushes. So, we put seatbelts on and drove to the access road of the stage (we decided to go along the stage as the roudtrip was over 25 km longer). Suddenly marshals put the tapes down and I followed two cars to the stage. I didnt see road closing car and I assumed it passed while I was behind bushes. So, 100 m later, those two cars turned to one house. I drove on quite fast and all access roads were still closed. So, a few km before the end was the point where I had to turn off the stage.. but marshals told that road is still closed and I cannot get off :P So, I decided to drive even faster, not to be get cought by last cars.. but 500 meters before the end I cought one competition car and they asked me to pass as they were moving slowly with technical problem.. Stage end marshal and timekeepers were quite confused when they discovered that I was not stopping :P Luckily everything went OK. But it sounds very similar here, some are driving to shop, some are competeing..

[Eli]

if they finish as they are, Sordo (who can finish his 4th rally 4th) will be 3rd in the championship....just shows you what consistency gives you, if he would have had podium finishes to go along with it...shame

[Simmi]

I completely agree. We will see what will stewards do with SS 12. But for me is crazy that they were still starting new cars to the stage, where some drivers were going slowly after stopping on accident place.

I can't believe they haven't sorted it out prior to the running of SS13. Seems a no-brainer to me that they need to neutralise all WRC2 times. It sets a horrendous precedent if you have drivers not stopping for SoS boards or, if in doubt, continuing at full pace.

[Mariusz]

I can't believe they haven't sorted it out prior to the running of SS13. Seems a no-brainer to me that they need to neutralise all WRC2 times. It sets a horrendous precedent if you have drivers not stopping for SoS boards or, if in doubt, continuing at full pace.
Who didn't stop but supposed to do so?

[Simmi]

Who didn't stop but supposed to do so?

I'm talking about future precedent.

If they didn't do anything to alter the times from today then drivers would start thinking twice about stopping. Only guy who didn't seem to be affected was Kruuda and he put 10mins into Suninen.

[Mirek]

Who didn't stop but supposed to do so?

That's not the question. Even if all who were shown SOS stopped there was still a lot of others behind them who kept racing because there was no SOS for them and therefore caught the others ahead of them in stage. There was no yellow flag. That's crazy situation and IMO very stupid from the organization.

[Eli]

so I presume Ostberg is out of the rally or super-rally/rally2 for him tomorrow?

[RS]

What happened to Ostberg?

[RS]

I can't believe they haven't sorted it out prior to the running of SS13. Seems a no-brainer to me that they need to neutralise all WRC2 times. It sets a horrendous precedent if you have drivers not stopping for SoS boards or, if in doubt, continuing at full pace.

Quite right.

Also, what if this had happened on the final day? Winner decided in the stewards room hours afterwards?

[bluuford]

so I presume Ostberg is out of the rally or super-rally/rally2 for him tomorrow?

If the engine is Ok, then Rally 2, that means +10 minutes to his time.

Regarding the SOS sign, as far as I can understand, Only three or four (Sunninen, Kopecky and Fuchs and maybe Scandola) WRC2 drivers were shown this SOS sign. So, Kruuda won the stage and I think that it would be fair if those who were shown SOS get Kruudas time, others were not affected (Well, Scandola retired, Lappi retired, Aasen punctured etc. I am not sure but maybe Kremer also lost some tiemdue to driving behind Kopecky?

[bluuford]

What happened to Ostberg?

Engine overheating, So I assume there was damage to the radiator?

[Rally Power]

Nice battle for the lead. Great to see Neuville returning to form.

Amazing 1st leg show from Scandola. It’s a pity he couldn’t carry on.

Btw, Lappi’s retirement was due to mechanical (suspension?) failure, after a strong impact on a hole.

Esapekka Lappi Rally ‏@EsapekkaLappi 49 minhá 49 minutos
Rough Sardinia roads... An impact with one of the famous holes caused too much damage on the car, and we could not fix it. Rally2 tomorrow.

Someone inside Skoda was too fast tweeting he had an off (that tweet has already been erased).

[Mirek]

Regarding the SOS sign, as far as I can understand, Only three or four (Sunninen, Kopecky and Fuchs and maybe Scandola) WRC2 drivers were shown this SOS sign. So, Kruuda won the stage and I think that it would be fair if those who were shown SOS get Kruudas time, others were not affected (Well, Scandola retired, Lappi retired, Aasen punctured etc. I am not sure but maybe Kremer also lost some tiemdue to driving behind Kopecky?

Also co-driver of Gilbert tweetet that they stopped due to the SOS sign and Kremer really caught that slow "train" ahead of him.

[Mariusz]

That's not the question. Even if all who were shown SOS stopped there was still a lot of others behind them who kept racing because there was no SOS for them and therefore caught the others ahead of them in stage. There was no yellow flag. That's crazy situation and IMO very stupid from the organization.
Do you want to bet that all affected will have their time corrected? They have time as somebody above noted, it's not the final stage so they would need to do it in a hurry.

[Mirek]

Do you want to bet that all affected will have their time corrected? They have time as somebody above noted, it's not the final stage so they would need to do it in a hurry.

What does it change on the fact that what they created on Monte Lerno 1 was stupid and dangerous hazard with chaos on such a long stage? Also giving notional times many hours later creates a situation when nobody knows on which place he actually is and with whom he fights. That is just crazy. They had several hours after Monte Lerno 1 to solve the situation before next loop started but they did nothing. The last point is that only God knows which times they'll give but what is sure is that notional times are never fair, especially in WRC event we've seen often complete madness in them.

[Simmi]

I'd assumed for this it would be fairly simple. It's not like the Portugal/Paddon situation. Apart from Kruuda it seems like the entire WRC2 field were held up by the situation.

If say everyone got Kruuda's time then maybe the only person who would have benefited would have been Aasen (who finished with issues). But he's retired anyway so that's no longer an issue.

[Mariusz]

What does it change on the fact that what they created on Monte Lerno 1 was stupid and dangerous hazard with chaos on such a long stage? Also giving notional times many hours later creates a situation when nobody knows on which place he actually is and with whom he fights. That is just crazy. They had several hours after Monte Lerno 1 to solve the situation before next loop started but they did nothing. The last point is that only God knows which times they'll give but what is sure is that notional times are never fair, especially in WRC event we've seen often complete madness in them.
Yeah, yeah, chaos, stupidity, hazard and craziness everywhere and every time. Chill out, if a driver cannot fight and drive fast because he doesn't know if he's first, third or sixth then this sport is not for him. We need strong characters, who don't cry at everything that is temporary out of order. And it's not the fault of organizers that Bertelli had a crash that required medical attention and they need to give notional times. So how about you concentrate instead on good things and just have some fun?

[dimviii]

Engine overheating, So I assume there was damage to the radiator?

Mads and Ola had to break Rally Sardinia on today's final leg, just 2 km before the finish.

"We hit a rock that broke a drive shaft front," said Mads. "It happened over a" crest "in a veibytte, with a fence on" Innern. " I'm not really quite sure what we met when I see inboard, other than that it was hard. We came forward with rear-wheel drive, but right before the finish the car stopped completely. The loose shaft has damaged one or other of the motor, and it was just to park. "

Up to this was Mads and Ola in the fight for the podium, and there is a disappointed Mads, who continues: "This was properly sour. We've resolved the issues that have slowed us earlier this year before this race and we had a car which worked out perfectly. Then we are ready to fight for the top times again and the fight for a podium place in the race. We would have liked to been in the fight until the goal. But that's it, and that's the game. Very rough roads here, but it's whatever I like sitting at the wheel who are responsible. "

It is not clear whether Mads and Ola can start again tomorrow. But with an engine that is not running, so it is doubtful. The team manages the incredible when it comes to repairing cars in record time, but the damage to the engine, there are strict restrictions on what they are allowed to change. The decision on it will be taken when the vehicle returns to service.

http://www.madsostberg.no/Home/PressArticle/1064

[bluuford]

Qilbert was loosing a lot of time before that already, but he is nearly one hour behind anyway, so, 20 minutes behind competitor in front
Maurin was driving with normal speed
Kremer was loosing ca 20 seconds before he was affected by slower drivers and lost 1:18 by the end of stage, but in his case only question is if he is in front of Maurin or not.
So, we should have
1. Sunninen leading
2. Fuchs second around 1minute behind
3. Kopecky third, around 25 sec behind Fuchs
4. Kruuda three minutes behind Kopecky
5. Kremer over minute behind Kruuda
6. Maurin, 2 minutes behind Kremer

Very precise calculation ;)

[PLuto]

Qilbert was loosing a lot of time before that already, but he is nearly one hour behind anyway, so, 20 minutes behind competitor in front
Maurin was driving with normal speed
Kremer was loosing ca 20 seconds before he was affected by slower drivers and lost 1:18 by the end of stage, but in his case only question is if he is in front of Maurin or not.
So, we should have
1. Sunninen leading
2. Fuchs second around 1minute behind
3. Kopecky third, around 25 sec behind Fuchs
4. Kruuda three minutes behind Kopecky
5. Kremer over minute behind Kruuda
6. Maurin, 2 minutes behind Kremer

Very precise calculation ;)

Lets see the calculations of stewards :)

[Mirek]

Yeah, yeah, chaos, stupidity, hazard and craziness everywhere and every time. Chill out, if a driver cannot fight and drive fast because he doesn't know if he's first, third or sixth then this sport is not for him. We need strong characters, who don't cry at everything that is temporary out of order. And it's not the fault of organizers that Bertelli had a crash that required medical attention and they need to give notional times. So how about you concentrate instead on good things and just have some fun?

Nobody said that Bertelli's crash was organizer's fault. However they didn't manage the situation right and created further risk and problems for many other crews. That is whatever but anything to cheer about.

And please spare me talking about how every driver must maintain all the time 100% attack. That's nonsense and I am sure You are aware of that.

You know why am I critical? Because every stupid national event in here has very precise plan for these situation which has been many times executed. Why is that not possible on WRC level? After the Paddon's accident in Portugal it's second such ill-handled situation in two consecutive events.

[dimviii]

The withdrawal of Umberto Scandola confirmed

"Though we had decided to take a quiet step and hard tires to avoid the risk of abnormal wear, we paid suffered a slow puncture in ps .10 that made us lose more than a minute. in the long Monte Lerno we found ourselves without water. it is cut lower radiator hose, perhaps ruined by a stone. we tried 2/3 times to stop and fill up with ' water that had Guido, but the engine remained dry and soon took a warmed. Expect the car to the park in the late afternoon and then we will evaluate with the engineer what to do. " This upgrade Skoda Motorsport Italy, but on the question of whether they think they start tomorrow, the sad faces leaving little hope.

the car is in park and the team has 3 hours to put it back "running" to return tomorrow. There was a consultation with Skoda engineers to see if the engine suffered from a lack of cooling, all caused by a microscopic hole on a sleeve.
Unfortunately update comes the confirmation by Skoda Motorsport Italy: there is no guarantee that by continuing it can not damage the engine, so the choice is forced: the Rally of Italy Sardinia for Umberto Scandola and Guido D'Amore end here, but l ' applause is a must and leadership in WRC2 after the second day of competition is not cleared. Well done !!

via google translate from rallylink.it

[dimviii]

so guys what do you think? Can Latvala catch Neuville tomorrow? 16,1 sec for 40,26 km

[Martins Tolks]

He can, but would he? Neuville has nothing to lose, he is last from factory drivers, so guess will fight off any opposition possible.

[bluuford]

so guys what do you think? Can Latvala catch Neuville tomorrow? 16,1 sec for 40,26 km
Latvala was 13 seconds faster than Neuville on second pass of longer stage in 2015... I do not think Latvala can catch him :P

[dimviii]

wtf? lol


http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2016_3446/rallye_sardinien_3609/freitag_3611/album_1_3617/sardinien2016_wp3kh_113_20160610_1976247013.jpg

[hype]

Alright, picture time... what a day!

First, a melting hot Monte Lerno in the morning.

http://patrik-pangerl.com/wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2016/WRC-Rally-Italia-Sardegna-2016-03-010-Sebastien Ogier-Volkswagen Polo WRC.jpg

Then, in the afternoon clouds arrived over Monti di Ala.

http://patrik-pangerl.com/wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2016/WRC-Rally-Italia-Sardegna-2016-03-017-Mads Ostberg-Ford Fiesta RS WRC.jpg

http://patrik-pangerl.com/wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2016/WRC-Rally-Italia-Sardegna-2016-03-019-Ott Tänak-Ford Fiesta RS WRC.jpg

http://patrik-pangerl.com/wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2016/WRC-Rally-Italia-Sardegna-2016-03-023-Henning Solberg-Ford Fiesta RS WRC.jpg

http://patrik-pangerl.com/wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2016/WRC-Rally-Italia-Sardegna-2016-03-025-Kevin Abbring-Hyundai i20 WRC.jpg

And finally it poured down like crazy for 15 minutes... first rain on my 4th visit to Sardinia.

http://patrik-pangerl.com/wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2016/WRC-Rally-Italia-Sardegna-2016-03-029-Jan Kopecky-Skoda Fabia R5.jpg

[dimviii]

no decisions yet about wrc2 ? is it so difficult?

[Martins Tolks]

no decisions yet about wrc2 ? is it so difficult?

too much vine apparently

[AL14]

no decisions yet about wrc2 ? is it so difficult?

It is a big shame. Not worth a world event. For sure they should have taken a decision before the next stage.

[PLuto]

New times for SS 12 are ready - http://rally-base.com/2016/rally-italia-sardegna-2016/?ssId=3532

[Simmi]

Looks like they've given everyone times now. Suninen fastest. Gaps back to him based on the afternoon run of the stage which is what they were probably waiting for.

https://twitter.com/KiwiWRCfan/status/741729734220873730?lang=en

[Mirek]

no decisions yet about wrc2 ? is it so difficult?

It's done now. As I expected they gave notional times based on the second run through the stage. Which means that Fuchs lost his second place to Kopecký who was given a time nearly half a minute better than him.

Despite I'm an obvious fan of Kopecký I have to say I don't agree with this way of making notional times. It shall be done as someone (Simmi?) suggest - all shall have same time of Kruuda and it would be more fair than this.

New times: http://rally-base.com/2016/rally-italia-sardegna-2016/?ssId=3532&cupId=161

[PLuto]

Qilbert was loosing a lot of time before that already, but he is nearly one hour behind anyway, so, 20 minutes behind competitor in front
Maurin was driving with normal speed
Kremer was loosing ca 20 seconds before he was affected by slower drivers and lost 1:18 by the end of stage, but in his case only question is if he is in front of Maurin or not.
So, we should have
1. Sunninen leading
2. Fuchs second around 1minute behind
3. Kopecky third, around 25 sec behind Fuchs
4. Kruuda three minutes behind Kopecky
5. Kremer over minute behind Kruuda
6. Maurin, 2 minutes behind Kremer

Very precise calculation ;)

You were almost correct. Only Kopecky "beaten" Fuchs because of his notional time on SS 12. Great job by Clerk of the Course. He made important change to the results because of his STUPID decision...

[itix]

Calm seas never produced a good sailor.
True that! I am a sailor and I confirm!

[bluuford]

You were almost correct. Only Kopecky "beaten" Fuchs because of his notional time on SS 12. Great job by Clerk of the Course. He made important change to the results because of his STUPID decision...

Well, It took me whole 5 minutes to calculate and type it here ;)

[AL14]

The withdrawal of Umberto Scandola confirmed

"Though we had decided to take a quiet step and hard tires to avoid the risk of abnormal wear, we paid suffered a slow puncture in ps .10 that made us lose more than a minute. in the long Monte Lerno we found ourselves without water. it is cut lower radiator hose, perhaps ruined by a stone. we tried 2/3 times to stop and fill up with ' water that had Guido, but the engine remained dry and soon took a warmed. Expect the car to the park in the late afternoon and then we will evaluate with the engineer what to do. " This upgrade Skoda Motorsport Italy, but on the question of whether they think they start tomorrow, the sad faces leaving little hope.

the car is in park and the team has 3 hours to put it back "running" to return tomorrow. There was a consultation with Skoda engineers to see if the engine suffered from a lack of cooling, all caused by a microscopic hole on a sleeve.
Unfortunately update comes the confirmation by Skoda Motorsport Italy: there is no guarantee that by continuing it can not damage the engine, so the choice is forced: the Rally of Italy Sardinia for Umberto Scandola and Guido D'Amore end here, but l ' applause is a must and leadership in WRC2 after the second day of competition is not cleared. Well done !!

via google translate from rallylink.it

This is the tiny hole that left Scandola at home.
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13445406_1143399619066234_8490800905887282503_n.jp g?oh=21214a28b7e66efcf22bf443509975e1&oe=57CD6CE1

[PLuto]

Well, It took me whole 5 minutes to calculate and type it here ;)

For Clerk of the Course it was 11 hours and he did it wrong...

[PLuto]

No more Ostberg tomorrow - http://rally-base.com/2016/rally-italia-sardegna-2016/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=672

[Martins Tolks]

No more Ostberg tomorrow - http://rally-base.com/2016/rally-italia-sardegna-2016/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=672

at least, no more discussions about his speed

[Rallyper]

at least, no more discussions about his speed

Discussion already over. Dimviii, Cali and NOT lost. ;)

[N.O.T]

Discussion already over. Dimviii, Cali and NOT lost. ;)

why because he won a stage ? or because he did reasonably well speedwise in one event out of 1000 ?

be serious

[dimviii]

Discussion already over. Dimviii, Cali and NOT lost. ;)

no you lost.
When Mads pushed (pushing in his terms=1 minute behind 4th overall) lost his wheel.

Try to understand that his is not fast.
Waiting others to retire and gain their positions,is very different from trying to be really fast.
You see that today.
And please no more excuses about his starting order,the fiesta that its not fast,and that its not a works team.
Fiesta and team are up to win rallies.

[dimviii]

why because he won a stage ? or because he did reasonably well speedwise in one event out of 1000 ?

be serious

Abbring also won a stage with previous gen i20? so what?

[stefanvv]

Abbring also won a stage with previous gen i20? so what?

If it wasn't Abbring, it would be Camilli, so what?

EDIT: Actually I'm not surprised for a stage win, I'm surprised it is a very long stage and in my perspective with his driving style his tyres wouldn't last that long. Is he driving differently on those long stages?

[stefanvv]

Mads and Ola had to break Rally Sardinia on today's final leg, just 2 km before the finish.

"We hit a rock that broke a drive shaft front," said Mads. "It happened over a" crest "in a veibytte, with a fence on" Innern. " I'm not really quite sure what we met when I see inboard, other than that it was hard. We came forward with rear-wheel drive, but right before the finish the car stopped completely. The loose shaft has damaged one or other of the motor, and it was just to park. "

Up to this was Mads and Ola in the fight for the podium, and there is a disappointed Mads, who continues: "This was properly sour. We've resolved the issues that have slowed us earlier this year before this race and we had a car which worked out perfectly. Then we are ready to fight for the top times again and the fight for a podium place in the race. We would have liked to been in the fight until the goal. But that's it, and that's the game. Very rough roads here, but it's whatever I like sitting at the wheel who are responsible. "

It is not clear whether Mads and Ola can start again tomorrow. But with an engine that is not running, so it is doubtful. The team manages the incredible when it comes to repairing cars in record time, but the damage to the engine, there are strict restrictions on what they are allowed to change. The decision on it will be taken when the vehicle returns to service.

http://www.madsostberg.no/Home/PressArticle/1064

I didn't see that rock on the highlight, but he hit a stone side gate wall. I'm not sure how this would break a driveshaft though....

[bluuford]

I didn't see that rock on the highlight, but he hit a stone side gate wall. I'm not sure how this would break a driveshaft though....
Yes, I just looked highlights, he cut too much, hit the gate-wall inside and that broke the car, that was strong impact while wheel turned out, usually it is the way to break steering or take a wheel off.

[dimviii]

EDIT: Actually I'm not surprised for a stage win, I'm surprised it is a very long stage and in my perspective with his driving style his tyres wouldn't last that long. Is he driving differently on those long stages?

Mads was the only one with right tyre choice.

[N.O.T]

Abbring also won a stage with previous gen i20? so what?

do not say that to me... speak to your Swedish friend who apparently had a beer too many and thinks Ostberg ascended to a fast rally driver from a street dog.

[bluuford]

Gorban stopped and now Al Raji also stopped in his place and now Abbring also

[dupanton]

Go Go Thierry and Nicolas :)

[Mirek]

Gorban stopped and now Al Raji also stopped in his place and now Abbring also

On the road section I guess?

[bluuford]

On the road section I guess?
no. on the stage.. now mikkelsen also stopped behind
edit:
No, they have changed the strat slightly and all is OK

[Mirek]

Great fight between Kopecký and Fuchs on splits :)

[Kalm]

Great fight between Kopecký and Fuchs on splits :)

Fuchs stopped :(

[Mirek]

Fuchs didn't reach finish?

[Mirek]

By the way Lappi 6th time overal on SS16 near equal with Ogier...

Edit: Fuchs rolled.

[Mirek]

Camilli faster than both Neuville and Latvala who are fighting for the victory. Very good!

[Simmi]

Nice! Really pleased for Camilli. A stage win and some real signs of progress.

[RS]

By the way Lappi 6th time overal on SS16 near equal with Ogier...

Edit: Fuchs rolled.

Indeed, stunning time by Lappi. Now he is off the leash he can show what he can do.

[EstWRC]

Camilli very very impressive this rally.

[cali]

Camilli very very impressive this rally.
Starting position plays a big role in his success in this rally, but overall I'm impressed too!

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

I expected to see this kind of speed in the second half of the season but he is already showing it now.

[Eli]

so...Latvala conceding defeat?, poor Hyundai, never bet on the right horse...instead of taking away 37 points, only 12 now...

[bluuford]

Camilli faster than both Neuville and Latvala who are fighting for the victory. Very good!

Seems that the stage is getting slower. It is so soft that I am not sure if all 2WD cars are able to pass the stage

[EightGear]

When was the last time we've had 5 different rally winners in the last 5 events?

[RS]

so...Latvala conceding defeat?, poor Hyundai, never bet on the right horse...instead of taking away 37 points, only 12 now...

This is why the current rules with pretend second teams is so silly.

[RS]

Seems that the stage is getting slower. It is so soft that I am not sure if all 2WD cars are able to pass the stage

Lappi disagrees.

[Mirek]

Seems that the stage is getting slower. It is so soft that I am not sure if all 2WD cars are able to pass the stage

So how come that Lappi who started 21th with R5 finished 7th just behind Mikkelsen and ahead of Sordo? ;)

Edit: Ron was faster :)

[dimviii]

Neuville at sandy ss17

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkvB7xOWkAAMg2x.jpg

[dimviii]

Fuchs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkvFE5KWsAAizdE.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkvLuqPXAAAqhDx.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkvMO7MWgAAFdLa.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13435360_1042391929174042_2640052897086851469_n.jp g?oh=5341848b5023a85611f86e411c2453a2&oe=580782F0

https://www.facebook.com/timoanisphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1040150406064861

[dimviii]

Cooling problem for Camilli and the engine is stopped several times between arrival and the stop points.

[Rallyper]

no you lost.
When Mads pushed (pushing in his terms=1 minute behind 4th overall) lost his wheel.

Try to understand that his is not fast.
Waiting others to retire and gain their positions,is very different from trying to be really fast.
You see that today.
And please no more excuses about his starting order,the fiesta that its not fast,and that its not a works team.
Fiesta and team are up to win rallies.

Hehe.

[Rallyper]

Indeed, stunning time by Lappi. Now he is off the leash he can show what he can do.

Yeah, showing what he can do when no pressure. Not competitive man to man. (Although I expect him to be fast and not dissing him)

[RS]

When we see Camilli, with so little experience setting great times, I do wonder what a really fast and experienced driver could do with a Fiesta.

[Rallyper]

do not say that to me... speak to your Swedish friend who apparently had a beer too many and thinks Ostberg ascended to a fast rally driver from a street dog.

No man just judging by what he did. Came home from work minutes before comment.

[dimviii]

Camilli is on his 10th ever gravel rally.

[RS]

Yeah, showing what he can do when no pressure. Not competitive man to man. (Although I expect him to be fast and not dissing him)

He was trying to be cautious the first two days which looked to be a sensible approach before his problem.

[dimviii]

lets see whois going to to risk and take power stage points.Ogier Mikkelsen and Camilli said that they will not try.

[dimviii]

lets see whois going to to risk and take power stage points.Ogier Mikkelsen and Camilli said that they will not try.

Sun 11:31 - SS18: Sordo
"It was okay. Just driving. A really clean line here. We will try to take some Power Stage points."

[Eli]

Camilli is on his 10th ever gravel rally.

and only his 6th in a WRC car.

[Rallyper]

He was trying to be cautious the first two days which looked to be a sensible approach before his problem.

Don´t misunderstand me. There´re two speeds so having no pressure doesn´t always show what a driver can do when on pressure. (Lappi is fast anyway)

[Rallyper]

and only his 6th in a WRC car.

So what´s his heritage. The guy must be a genius. Seems not possible if that´s true.

[dupanton]

Looks good for Thierry and Nicolas :D
Finally he is back on form after an awful season so far (only Monte was good).

[Mirek]

I shall appologize Camilli as I was very critical about him at the start of the season.

[Eli]

So what´s his heritage. The guy must be a genius. Seems not possible if that´s true.

I checked on EWRC

[RS]

5th for Lappi on SS18! Maybe he can try for powerstage points hehe.

[DonJippo]

and only his 6th in a WRC car.

Can it be that Mr. Wilson somehow knew what he was doing when signing Camilli?

[AL14]

Was looking at the live coverage and I have to say this stage is very very nice. Very rough, sandy and narrow. I pity there is not a real fight going on...

[Livewireshock]

Was looking at the live coverage and I have to say this stage is very very nice. Very rough, sandy and narrow. I pity there is not a real fight going on...

Still full of action and while a fight is not going on, still plenty of chances for an upset on this rough stage.

[AL14]

Mikkelsen is going slow because he wants to be third in the road in Poland. He said it at the previous stage. Now we have to listen these two retarded wondering why he is slow because they did not follow the rally before...

[AL14]

...and as I said....

[Rallyper]

Teamorders for Mikkelsen. Has to listen Don Capito.

[stefanvv]

Mikkelsen is going slow because he wants to be third in the road in Poland. He said it at the previous stage. Now we have to listen these two retarded wondering why he is slow because they did not follow the rally before...

I guess Sordo is going to 2nd then

[N.O.T]

every manufacturer won rallies this year apart from Ford... LOL.

[TWRC]

Mikkelsen is going slow because he wants to be third in the road in Poland. He said it at the previous stage. Now we have to listen these two retarded wondering why he is slow because they did not follow the rally before...
And they're bragging about how much Henning is great value for money and interesting for fans, and then they proceed not to show his stage end interview...