Rally Sweden 2016

[Lundefaret]

He said norwegian should no participate Lundefaret. Put your nose end behind this time :)

Ohh... sorry... my bad... Sorry... I owe dimviii two beers then.... A little too trigger happy...

[dimviii]

Mats Jonsson

the stewarts of the meeting decided that you are out of quizs for the next 3 rallies.
you have the right to appeal.

[Lundefaret]

the stewarts of the meeting decided that you are out of quizs for the next 3 rallies.
you have the right to appeal.

Oh, that was harsh! Even Jari Matti Latvala got a SUSPENDED sentence when he went hunting spectators in his WRC-bowling stunt in the Monte Carlo! But I will face my scentence like a man, by crying.

[EstWRC]

is svt broadcasting the Karlstad stage?

[satnav]

is svt broadcasting the Karlstad stage?

I don't think so , http://www.rallysweden.com/2016/02/svt-broadcasting-times-2/

[Rallyper]

After rally program in Svtplay 19.00 CET (only in swedish)

http://www.svtplay.se/video/6319239/motorsport-svenska-rallyt/motor-svenska-rallyt-after-rally-1

[BleAivano]

After rally program in Svtplay 19.00 CET (only in swedish)

http://www.svtplay.se/video/6319239/motorsport-svenska-rallyt/motor-svenska-rallyt-after-rally-1

It's only available in Sweden though.

[hari]

Some pictures from Day 1 & Day 2:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/d3g.jpg

[EstWRC]

Get lost Latvala...:D

[Rallyper]

It's only available in Sweden though.

Aaahh, my bad. That´s kind of harsh to fans. Me myself wouldn´t mind looking at finnish rally tv if possible, like on Yle... But that isn´t an option as well.

[Mirek]

Tidemand 3rd fastest on SSS...

[EstWRC]

really pissed of at Latvala now :p

[Rallyper]

Ott will have his time. It will come.

[EstWRC]

Yeah but it would have been icing on the cake for the Dmack :)

[AL14]

Is Suninen really second or it's a glitch of wrc.com?

[Lundefaret]

Is Suninen really second or it's a glitch of wrc.com?

Think its actually for real! Have we this weekend witnessed the brake trough of a future champion?

[EstWRC]

yes, Suninen second. Amazing performance from him this weekend. Forget Lappi...

[EightGear]

Shame for him he isn't registered for WRC2 this weekend.

[Mirek]

yes, Suninen second. Amazing performance from him this weekend. Forget Lappi...

Let's see how he's doing through the entire season. He wasn't that convincing last year.

[stefanvv]

Think its actually for real! Have we this weekend witnessed the brake trough of a future champion?

I think Makkinen should invest in him....

[EstWRC]

Let's see how he's doing through the entire season. He wasn't that convincing last year.

yep and im still waiting to see real fight between Evans and Skodas. I guess Evans isnt in Mexico? And Lappi hasnt never seemed special to me.

[BleAivano]

After rally program in Svtplay 19.00 CET (only in swedish)

http://www.svtplay.se/video/6319239/motorsport-svenska-rallyt/motor-svenska-rallyt-after-rally-1

Emil Bergkvist mentioned that he has a five year plan. Sounds very familiar, what happen to the previous bloke who constantly mentioned his "five year plan"? ;)

[BleAivano]

WRC promoter said in an interview with SVT that having a rally in Sweden/Norway is very important for WRC and he would do everything he could to
make sure that the rally returns to this area but he also stressed that it does not work with the uncertainty regarding winter conditions/snow,
that in the future the organizer needs to make sure that snowy conditions are guaranteed.

[stefanvv]

in the future the organizer needs to make sure that snowy conditions are guaranteed.

hmmm, controlling the weather costs some money.

[stefanvv]

Emil Bergkvist mentioned that he has a five year plan. Sounds very familiar, what happen to the previous bloke who constantly mentioned his "five year plan"? ;)

I'm glad for him. Plan is good thing and I hope he has some certain backing atm.

[hype]

Kris Meeke this morning in the pine forests of Fredriksberg.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-007-kris%20meeke-citroen%20ds3%20wrc.jpg

[Eli]

Kris Meeke this morning in the pine forests of Fredriksberg.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-007-kris%20meeke-citroen%20ds3%20wrc.jpg

you mean Craig Breen.. it says 15 on the side and look at the flag.

[hype]

Yes, of course you're right, my bad. I'm tired, I need sleep :D

[Slipzen]

Too bad SS Lesjöfors was cancelled. I drove the stage, in slooow speed :) yesterday evening and the winter conditions were just fine. The reason for cancelling was the big ruts created during recce. Unfortunately organisers were not able to fix it before sub-zero temperatures arrived.

[stefanvv]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-022-elfyn%20evans-ford%20fiesta%20r5.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-021-craig%20breen-citroen%20ds3%20wrc.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-020-henning%20solberg-ford%20fiesta%20rs%20wrc.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-019-hayden%20paddon-hyundai%20i20%20wrc.jpg

[stefanvv]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-025-ott%20tnak-ford%20fiesta%20rs%20wrc.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-031-pontus%20tidemand-skoda%20fabia%20r5.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-024-dani%20sordo-hyundai%20i20%20wrc.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-026-hayden%20paddon-hyundai%20i20%20wrc.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-027-khalid%20al-qassimi-citroen%20ds3%20wrc.jpg

[dimviii]

Sordo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbHpdNyWwAAeihV.jpg:large

day2 overall

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbHb00uWAAEtfUb.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbHl8_fWwAIuCh4.jpg:large

and the conclusion of the year goes to Msport.

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd 4 ώρεςΠριν από 4 ώρες

Proving the performance of the #FiestaR5Evo @E_Brynildsen has the new Colin's Crest record at 45m! #WRC #RallySweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbHLU5AWAAExwUS.jpg

[dimviii]

borl day 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z-yTBXAicw&feature=youtu.be&a

[RallyNZ]

Valmar Viisel ‏@paddocknews

Ogier will lose his license 48h after he was caught, wich means between 14-15:00 on Sunday! via @rallyHelene_G

And "Throughout the rally, both crew members must have a valid driving licence"
Isn't the rally finish 15:00 ?

[stefanvv]

day2 overall

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbHb00uWAAEtfUb.jpg:large


without that puncture on ss10, Latvala would be well ahead.

[BleAivano]

And "Throughout the rally, both crew members must have a valid driving licence" Isn't the rally finish 15:00 ?

The price ceremony takes place at 15.00, not sure if that is included in "Throughout the rally".

[Mirek]

without that puncture on ss10, Latvala would be well ahead.

And without a crash and without a broken driveshaft and... have I forgotten something? ;)

[hype]

And Ogier cleaned the road for him :D ;)

[Mirek]

Nice video leg 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26qBLENoyV4

Close call of Henning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAdylEjjRfU

[satnav]

And without a crash and without a broken driveshaft and... have I forgotten something? ;)

And IF your Granny had Balls .................

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Does Thierry's onboards are available in WRC+..?

[AL14]

Paddon

"Great day to maintain P2 & extend the gap behind us. We were advantaged by road conditions on 1 stage that helped us close up on Sebastien for the lead - but it's a battle we were never drawn into. We have been happy to continue at our pace as 2nd would still be a great result. In the future we will fight more for that win but a little more work needed on my driving and car setup before that - but we not far away Emoticon wink. 1 more stage tomorrow to try & bring it home."

In my opinion he is the most clever driver of WRC. I don't know how many others, with their first rally win at 8 secs, would not have thrown their car into some trees...

[car]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-022-elfyn%20evans-ford%20fiesta%20r5.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-021-craig%20breen-citroen%20ds3%20wrc.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-020-henning%20solberg-ford%20fiesta%20rs%20wrc.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/pgr_wrc-rally-sweden-2016-day2-019-hayden%20paddon-hyundai%20i20%20wrc.jpg

Lots of broken driveshafts on this rally... these pictures make me wonder if the sharp drop off the edge of the main road surface is the reason. I may be wrong, but these pictures seem to show a very deep, sharp drop which seems to lower the inside wheel to its fullest extent.
This may mean the CV joints are operating to their limit and beyond, causing the failures?

I may be way off the mark, but I would like to know what some of the forum engineers / experts think..

Cheers.

[stefanvv]

Lots of broken driveshafts on this rally... these pictures make me wonder if the sharp drop off the edge of the main road surface is the reason. I may be wrong, but these pictures seem to show a very deep, sharp drop which seems to lower the inside wheel to its fullest extent.
This may mean the CV joints are operating to their limit and beyond, causing the failures?

I may be way off the mark, but I would like to know what some of the forum engineers / experts think..

Cheers.

Can't help with that, sorry, this is more what lines every driver takes through the corner, of course there is physics behind this, which can lead from one problem to another, but I'm not that stress expert. For sure Meeke line is the worst in terms of performance and keeping his tyres.

[stefanvv]

And without a crash and without a broken driveshaft and... have I forgotten something? ;)

what crash? Did I missed something?

[Mirek]

Yes, You did. Latvala crashed in SS9 and restarted only with superally.

[dimviii]

I may be wrong, but these pictures seem to show a very deep, sharp drop which seems to lower the inside wheel to its fullest extent.
This may mean the CV joints are operating to their limit and beyond, causing the failures?

I may be way off the mark, but I would like to know what some of the forum engineers / experts think..

Cheers.

when a CV has to work at full angle has more chances to fail. But i am not sure if this rally has so more deep cuts from other gravel rallies.

[car]

just watching Motors TV coverage now... Pardon's driving is sublime.
I think he will be a contender in most loose surface rally's this year.

[car]

when a CV has to work at full angle has more chances to fail. But i am not sure if this rally has so more deep cuts from other gravel rallies.

Thanks for the reply. You're probably right, just thought the road edge drop was very sheer.

[dimviii]

incar with Camillis crash,and good save from Ogier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5S5Akdd4k&feature=youtu.be

[stefanvv]

Yes, You did. Latvala crashed in SS9 and restarted only with superally.

SS9? It was broken suspension, but I really don't know how. Anyway what difference as all this was in day1, starting positions are all the same for day2....

[ln-ops]

Some pictures from yesterdays Svullrya and todays Vargåsen on our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.947893388579502.1073741896.225474580821390&type=3) (sorry, like to view).

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12710909_947894011912773_7934781952966646932_o.jpg

[car]

incar with Camillis crash,and good save from Ogier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5S5Akdd4k&feature=youtu.be

Ogier's moment was absolutely huge!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really got to give it to Ogier here... flat out going for the win when he could have just taken good points with the road cleaning.

Respect.

[Micke_VOC]

Ogier's moment was absolutely huge!

I have seen video of Ogier moment from outside from a spectator view on a closed facebook-group.
Holy f*ck, one of the craziest thing i ever have seen, hope they put it on Youtube tomorrow.

[Micke_VOC]

Startlist for Powerstage tomorrow:
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Start-List-for-Section-7-TC17E-Sunday-14th-February-2016.pdf

[EstWRC]

Camilli's hands second time in a row on steering wheel while crashing and this time he also crabs the rollcage?

[Rallyper]

Emil Bergkvist mentioned that he has a five year plan. Sounds very familiar, what happen to the previous bloke who constantly mentioned his "five year plan"? ;)

The most important was that he was mentioned in swedish media by experts as one out of two future stars and not only them: Malcolm also said he had eyes on Emil. And that really matters if the upper guys seeing him already in his first outing in WRC2.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Did I just see right that WRC R5 cars came 2nd and 4th on the SSS?

[EstWRC]

yes, Tidemand won Karlstad last year so nothing new here.

[skarderud]

When do PS start? The shitty wrc-site isnt working at all.

[GallardoGT]

Oh joh joh joh joh!

[EstWRC]

12.08 local time.

[Viking]

When do PS start? The shitty wrc-site isnt working at all.

NEXT:12:08 SS 21 Värmullsåsen 2 (Power stage)

[Micke_VOC]

Running order SS21 Värmullsåsen 2 (Power Stage)
Latvala
Meeke
Al Qassssimi
Neuville
Breen
Solberg
Sordo
Tänak
Mikkelsen
Östberg
Paddon
Ogier
...
...
Evans
Tidemand
Gröndal

[RS]

Sadly the gaps throughout seem to be too big to overturn, apart from perhaps Solberg/Breen.

Same in WRC2 (although we won't get to see that anyway and instead will have to watch the likes of Khalid Al-Cashmachine)

[Filip Giedo]

Hi guys. I was off during almost the whole rally, due to lot of duties but finally I am 100% there to watch the live coverage of PS. I wonder if anything interesting in terms of fight for podium positions can happen now. I would have nothing against Paddon's first victory... ;)

[cosmin_sb]

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-1-live-stream-ing
it works with google chrome

[dimviii]

ΜMICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport 15 λεπτάΠριν από 15 λεπτά

#tyre info: All #Michelin WRC drivers with 5 X Ice North 3 except Meeke with 4 #RallySweden


Meeke seems go for the 3 points

[BleAivano]

Hi guys. I was off during almost the whole rally, due to lot of duties but finally I am 100% there to watch the live coverage of PS.
I wonder if anything interesting in terms of fight for podium positions can happen now. I would have nothing against Paddon's first victory... ;)

No not really. Time differences are a bit too big.

[Filip Giedo]

Of course BleAivano, you're right. That is why I wrote "I wonder", not "I think" or simillar ;)

[BleAivano]

Drama for Paddon.

[jonkka]

Drama for Paddon.

What drama?

[Micke_VOC]

What drama?

He hit a pole in the end of the stage, seems the radiator have been damage.
Smoke coming out from the hood of the car.

[AL14]

What the hell is happening?

[jonkka]

Smoke (as in a fire) or vapour (from boiling water)?

[BleAivano]

What drama?

He landed too far to the right after the jump and he hit a "snöstake"
when he stopped after the finish line, allot of smoke/steam were coming from the engine.

[Rally Hokkaido]

80kms back to service - they need to start collecting snow!

[BleAivano]

Former rallycross/rally driver Per Eklund said to SVT that he thought it was a broken water hose.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Two Kiwis patching the radiator with chemi-weld, now!

[jonkka]

I really hope he makes it to service, 2nd place is a damn good result from him and I'd hate to see him lose it.

[COD]

So the championship is over. Let's start waiting for 2017 to start in 11months

[RS]

Ogier 56 points, Mikkelsen 33, Latvala 0...

[Viking]

Championship standings
1 Sebastien OGIER 56
2 Andres MIKKELSEN 33
3 Mads ØSTBERG 27
4 Dani SORDO 18
5 Haydon PADDON 18

[GigiGalliNo1]

56 points?!!?

[EstWRC]

6 Ott Tänak 16 points

[RS]

Tidemand quicker than Evans but not enough... very impressed with Evans and the new Fiesta although I think Tidemand had slightly more speed overall.

[Micke_VOC]

Tidemand quicker than Evans but not enough... very impressed with Evans and the new Fiesta although I think Tidemand had slightly more speed overall.

Looks that there gonna be a interesting WRC2 this year =)

[Micke_VOC]

Lappi goes fast on last stage and beats Gröndal with 10,8 s, Lappi takes the last podium place with 2,1 s to Gröndal.

[GeoFerg_Sco]

Great drive from Breen!

[RS]

Lappi goes fast on last stage and beats Gröndal with 10,8 s, Lappi takes the last podium place with 2,1 s to Gröndal.

Good job, but he needs to stop the Lapcidents..

Lappi's time was very competitive with Solberg, Breen and Sordo! But of course it is better for us to watch Al-Qassimi.

[Allyc85]

Another crushing win for Ogier, even if he did use up a lot of luck at times!

Solid job by Breen, hope he gets more chances this season to build on the experience.

Great win for Evans in WRC2 :D

[satukata]

And Suninen takes 10th overall!! and 2nd R5.!! Great Teemu

[EightGear]

Very good job by Paddon. I guess Hyundai didn't lose too much to VW in the manufacturers standings.

[BleAivano]

Paddon stopped on the transport but then started moving again a few minutes later.

https://twitter.com/MickeLindh/status/698842300802326528

[satukata]

Stars of the rally.

WRC
3stars Ogier was really strong driving 1st on the road. Great victory again!

2stars Paddon did a great rally. hope can fight for victory in Mexico!

1star Mads and Ott. Good effort with Ford both drivers.

WRC2/R5

3 stars for Evans. Hope Wilson change Evans in and Camilli out in WRC car.

2 stars Teemu suninen. Great 2nd Place R5 and fastest Skoda! 10th overall. great powerstage

1 star Lappi made 1 mistake. Fast young gun and great in powerstage. takes podium finally

[Lord_Shaitan]

Ogier is a legend! Well done dominator.

Mikkelsen, what a terrible rally for him. I didn't expect so poor showing, especially after very strong Monte. Latvala? Just repeat of 2015 start... The gap to Ogier is already monstrous.

Ostberg on 3rd place with being so slow through all rally long,really says it all about competition. Nevertheless good performance by Paddon and Tanak.

We had some great fight in WRC-2. Evans is doing the job, for real. I'm cheering for this guy this season! Also Sunninen, yet another perfect weekend.

[Micke_VOC]

Paddon stopped on the transport but then started moving again a few minutes later.

https://twitter.com/MickeLindh/status/698842300802326528

I will continue following them on the way to Karlstad

[jarauto2]

provisional and unofficial pickem's standings885

[Lundefaret]

Wow - what a great event!

The Rally:
The organisers should get their names in the WRC Hall of Fame for their effort to turn things around.
It looked like it was going to be a one day event, but due to major work from the Rally Sweden crew, it became almost a complete event.

The Drivers:

The best: Sebastien Ogier again showed - by his "I-take-no-prisoners" attitude - his enormous talent. He accomplished an impossible task, winning this rally from the front. And to really rub it in, he also took the Power Stage. He is just on another level, and its rally history being made every time he enters a stage.

The Star Of The Rally 1: Temuu Suninen - WOW! This guy is made of something special. His times - and remember his limited experience - have been great and consistent during the whole weekend. In a fight for second with much more experienced FACTORY drivers, he kept his cool and delivered. Starting position is off course a factor, but so is his very limited rally experience, and especially 4WD experience.
His SSS was incredible - but his speed at the Power Stage even more so. Pontus Tideman has to have the most surprised look on his face in all of Sweden right now. He was putting the pressure on Evans, but got his but kicked on the last stage, to loose second to Sunnier by 0,1 second. Wow!
Harri Juki has made another good investment, and i bet him and Tommi is having long talks already. Just WOW!

The Star Of The Rally 2: Elfyn Evans - Deeply impressed by this newly motivated Evans. He needs this time in the R5 to really get a kick in the but, and its paying off. To beat off the attack from every local talent in this rally is an extremely good performance. I did not think he had a chance against Tideman, but boy was I proved wrong. Another great performance from Evans.

The Start Of The Rally 3: Haydon Paddon - he took all the advantage from a good starting position, and put it to use. A very grown up performance from the SPEEDY KIWI. His speed on the fast stuff is undoubtable, but he gets dents in the armour every time a Super Special Stage comes up in the itinerary. A marvellous performance, that is a stark contrast to Thierry Neuville and Dani Sordo.

Worth mentioning:
Dmack tires shows promise. - Ott Tänak did a grown up job. - Henning Solberg showed he hadn't lost it completely, and is by far the most charismatic of all the drivers. - Sweden's Young talents Åhlin and Bergqvist, were especially the latter put in a very good performance his limited 4WD experience and his DS3 taken in account (but they have a long way up to Suninen) - and Kris Meeke who again shows his speed, being the only one at the moment that can challenge Ogier, and that is very positive if we have the 2017 season in mind. :)

[BleAivano]

Bergqvist and his co-driver did a very good job when you have in mind that they both felt unwell on Friday's stages.
Åhlin drove good until he crashed out.
Tidemand a solid job but a bit unfortunate with the drive shaft problem although it might possibly be self-inflicted.

We'll see next year if there is a Rally Sweden and in that case where it is.

[Mirek]

1 star Lappi made 1 mistake. Fast young gun and great in powerstage. takes podium finally

Why not Tidemand? Tidemand did for sure better job than Lappi here. Unlike Lappi he didn't crash, he was only unfortunate with technical problem and in the end finished ahead of Lappi anyway.

[Mirek]

I wonder what's happening in the head of Malcolm Wilson now. So far Evans has been completely outperforming Camilli.

[EstWRC]

I was just thinking the same. Mads has done great but the speed he has shown isn't anything special. I'm thinking that Wilson has second thoughts about letting Tänak and Evans go.

[Rallyper]

@Lundefaret Comparing Bergkvist to Sunninen is quite unfair. Remember Sunninen has driven 4WD many times at least last year if I´m not completely lost. Although Sunninen did a good job, he had good starting position and in my eyes no pressure in opposite to Bergkvist who may had a one shot in this rally.

[Micke_VOC]

Bergqvist and his co-driver did a very good job when you have in mind that they both felt unwell on Friday's stages.
Åhlin drove good until he crashed out.
Tidemand a solid job but a bit unfortunate with the drive shaft problem although it might possibly be self-inflicted.

We'll see next year if there is a Rally Sweden and in that case where it is.

Why should the drive shaft problem been self-inflicted ? Because Lundefaret who knows everything think that ?

That was a nut who broke in the outer mounting without any hit or something, just pure bad luck

[Rallyper]

One should also have in mind that for some drivers the most important was to finish not to be fastest on last (sprint) powerstage. Therefore times on last stage didn´t say everything about stars or skills to me.

[BleAivano]

Why should the drive shaft problem been self-inflicted ? Because Lundefaret who knows everything think that ?

That was a nut who broke in the outer mounting without and hit or something, just pure bad luck

I didn't say it was. Just that it was theoretical possibility.


One should also have in mind that for some drivers the most important was to finish not to be fastest on last
(sprint) powerstage. Therefore times on last stage didn´t say everything about stars or skills to me.

Agree. Especially for Tidemand who would get 2nd place points regardless if he finished 2nd or 3rd in the rally.

[satukata]

Why not Tidemand? Tidemand did for sure better job than Lappi here. Unlike Lappi he didn't crash, he was only unfortunate with technical problem and in the end finished ahead of Lappi anyway.

you are right 1 star to Tideman. Better than Lappi in this event

[Allyc85]

Paddon stopped for a while on the edge of Karlstad, but seems to be moving again!

[Mirek]

@Lundefaret Comparing Bergkvist to Sunninen is quite unfair. Remember Sunninen has driven 4WD many times at least last year if I´m not completely lost. Although Sunninen did a good job, he had good starting position and in my eyes no pressure in opposite to Bergkvist who may had a one shot in this rally.

This plus let's not forget that Bergkvist drove DS3. I think that we can safely assume that Škodas and Fords are better on snow than Citroën.

[Filip Giedo]

This plus let's not forget that Bergkvist drove DS3. I think that we can safely assume that Škodas and Fords are better on snow than Citroën.

Sometimes I generally think that DS3 R5 is a piece of crap in terms of pace. But surely if we put Ogier into the DS3 R5 he would have quite good odds to win on every type of surface.

[itix]

Got some really nice shots (ok the best ones was my by GF but she is a better photographer than me) on the last stage. I'm going to upload some of them when I get home tonight.

The rally was a blast. First time I was on my home rally and despite the shortened route it was enjoyable!

[MrJan]

Great win for Evans in WRC2 :D

Yep, while Camili rolls it into a ball his predecessor takes his second WRC2 win of the season. It will be interesting to see how Evans gets on in the BRC too this year, perhaps he can follow the example of his old man and take the title.

[AL14]

So we have a bad news and a good one after today.

First the bad :)
It is not quite a news actually but more a confirmation. As long as Ogier will be around the outcome will be the same. Simply stunning driver.

BUT we have a good one too.
When Seb will retire, we will have very very challenging championships with high talented drivers. WRC2 guys and young guns in WRC proved that the level of drivers of the future will be very high and also more "leveled" (is this a correct word? :) ). It is a pleasure to witness such learning curves improving from rallies to rallies, latest years was not like this.

[Rallyper]

So we have a bad news and a good one after today.

First the bad :)
It is not quite a news actually but more a confirmation. As long as Ogier will be around the outcome will be the same. Simply stunning driver.

BUT we have a good one too.
When Seb will retire, we will have very very challenging championships with high talented drivers. WRC2 guys and young guns in WRC proved that the level of drivers of the future will be very high and also more "leveled" (is this a correct word? :) ). It is a pleasure to witness such learning curves improving from rallies to rallies, latest years was not like this.

Agree. Quite many talented drivers are waiting round the corner. ;)

[dimviii]

Congrats to Ogier,well deserved win.
Nice surprise from Paddon.Agree with somebody who wrote yesterday that seems to be the most clever driver.
Dissapointment from Mikkelsen,waiting to fight for win
Same for Latvala.Seems while he has the guts to steer flat out with 6 speed,he cant manage his mind.He is scared.
Ostberg have lost his speed.Dont remember when was the last time he impressed with speed at a single stage.He has to stop the silly excuses.
Waiting to be slower at next rallies,if this was his speed at his homeland event.
Meeke best driver behind Ogier,but not full programm,and not so lucky.
Breen much better from what i was waiting.
Neuville better pace from last year,but its not enough.At second half of the year he will have ''problem'' with Paddon imho.
Sordo didnt wait more from him at this rally.
Camilli was ok till the roll.Ok special event,no experience.He have chances ahead of him to proove himself.I dont agree that Malcolm will change his mind about Camilli vs Evans.Wrc car is different level.
Tanak good first day,but dmacks seems to have a long way to be top tyre player.
Evans didnt waiting to be inside Sweden fastest, and control the rally from stage 1. Excellent.
Lappi Tidemand,with works drives,inside your homeland you have to win. If not to be faster.
Very nice pace from Sunninen,and Ahlin till the crash.But i would like to see something similar and at next gravel rallies from Sunninen.

At the end kudos to our member blluuford because he knew that the rally will be happen for all the days.
Roll on Mexico,where we would measure better the speed of the new i20.

[Lundefaret]

Why should the drive shaft problem been self-inflicted ? Because Lundefaret who knows everything think that ?

That was a nut who broke in the outer mounting without any hit or something, just pure bad luck

Hello Micke_VOC, as I said I always suspect self infliction when there is a lot of "bad luck."

If Pontus drive shaft issue was self inflicted or not, I dont know. You say there was a nut that broke, and it was just bad luck. I believe You, but I would like to ad that a nut very rearly brakes with out any forces acting upon it.

[SubaruNorway]

Here's my video from a pretty decent Swedish Rally in the end!
Good job by the organisation :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ
Too tired to do the podium this time, sorry!

[Mirek]

When Seb will retire, we will have very very challenging championships with high talented drivers.

Many thought the same way about reigning of Seb I.

[Mirek]

Here's my video from a pretty decent Swedish Rally in the end!
Good job by the organisation :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ
Too tired to do the podium this time, sorry!

Wow, awesome job!

[dimviii]

14 February
BREAKING NEWS
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BREAKING NEWS:

New three year contract with WRC Promoter for Rally Sweden.

The negotiations have been going on for almost six months and today Rally Sweden can confirm that a new three year contract with WRC Promoter has been signed.
– One week ago we were more dead than alive and couldn´t see any future for the event.
Now, once again, we have managed to put on an amazing event and it is an amazing feeling to be able to confirm that we have agreed on a new three year contract.
We have an absolutely amazing organization that proves that we can pull through the hardest of times. Closer to magic, simply put, says a very pleased Glenn Olsson, CEO at Rally Sweden.

http://www.rallysweden.com/2016/02/breaking-news/

[Sulland]

Must also congratulate Henning with a very good result.
Has not been driving rally for å year, no PET, and a quarreling gearbox, that he fixed banging on the air compressor :p

He still has the speed, and would be cool if he could get one testrally, full PET and a top notch car in 2017, that would be utterly cool. Maybe he should buy a R5 for the Norwegian series, but I guess the focus now is on Oscar and Pontus !

But all in all, not a bad result for an old man!! And his interviews are still epic!!

[Micke_VOC]

Hello Micke_VOC, as I said I always suspect self infliction when there is a lot of "bad luck."

If Pontus drive shaft issue was self inflicted or not, I dont know. You say there was a nut that broke, and it was just bad luck. I believe You, but I would like to ad that a nut very rearly brakes with out any forces acting upon it.

I know what happen, and that the nut brake was wrong word. Pontus couldn't do anything about it and there we end this discussion.

[Rallyper]

Well deserved three year contract for Rally Sweden!

[dimviii]

borl video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF8pMBuyT0w&feature=youtu.be&a

[BleAivano]

14 February
BREAKING NEWS
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BREAKING NEWS:

New three year contract with WRC Promoter for Rally Sweden.

Good news.

My wishlist for the next three years:



Service area in Hagfors with a smaller remote service on Friday in Norway
Skip Karlstad altogether and have the entire rally in northern half Värmland/south western Dalarna + the current Norwegian stages.
The RS organizers + the promoter needs to realize that Karlstad is too far south.
At least two more stages on Saturday and two more stages on Sunday. Preferable at least one full "night stage". Would love to see Vargåsen
or Rämmen being used as "night stage". In general too few stages. Silly to have the final stage on Saturday to start at half past 3 in the afternoon.
No SSS in Karlstad, possible one SSS on the Rallycross track in Höljes and also one SSS in Hagfors, but at the most
two SSS in the entire rally. Three is too many.
A couple of more stage cams then just Colin's crest.
Better dialogue with fans and drivers.
If possible have one or two back up stages in case some stage cannot be run because of weather.


That said, I think it's very unlikely that any of this will happen but at least one can hope.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quite awesome win for Ogier, even by his standards. To open the road here for basically the whole rally and still take a clear win is some feat.

The problems and mistakes by the others (Mikkelsen, Meeke, Latvala, Neuville) certainly helped but Ogier was going flat-out for the win despite the road conditions he faced.

If anything he is becoming even more dominant and I think he's now at his peak. The rest are nowhere.

[BleAivano]

Quite awesome win for Ogier, even by his standards. To open the road here for basically the whole rally and still take a clear win is some feat.

The problems and mistakes by the others (Mikkelsen, Meeke, Latvala, Neuville) certainly helped but Ogier was going flat-out for the win despite the road conditions he faced.

If anything he is becoming even more dominant and I think he's now at his peak. The rest are nowhere.

Personally I think that he is yet to reach his peak. He's only 33 this year and I think he have another 4-5 years minimum
until his peak and then at least another 4-5 years on a very competitive level. I don't think Loeb had declined that much (if anything)
when he retired and unlike in many other sports, in motorsports in general and in rally in particular being 40+ isn't that much of a deal.

So in Ogier's case I think it's more a matter of motivation then age that will decide when he retires.

[EstWRC]

Great drives from Paddon, Ogier and Tänak.
Mikkelsen was totally lost at this one, so many mistakes!
Breen did better than i expected. Henning was pretty good too.
Camilli? i think WIlson has set him goals to just finish the rallies and get experience but he cant even do that at the moment.

Evans also suprised me at this one but imo we didnt get to see straight fight between him and Skodas.
Suninen and Bergkvist very good! Suninen especially!

[dimviii]

Julian Porter ‏@The_Rally_Guru

Save of the season? Vargåsen 2, @SebOgier near enough flat out, so around 190KPH in his Polo & it steps out of line!

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lol watch Ingrassias look

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbMRqtEWwAACV61.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

Julian Porter ‏@The_Rally_Guru

Save of the season? Vargåsen 2, @SebOgier near enough flat out, so around 190KPH in his Polo & it steps out of line!

190 kph? wow. All-in-all very difficult win for him cleaning the fresh snow most of the time and going flat out, despite some drivers indeed eased him.
Positive surprises for me were also Breen and Suninen.... and Tanak - perhaps going in DMack team is doing him good as he seem more conscious about the conditions to handle, as in tyres in this case, job well done. Of course also Paddon did great rally as well with completely new car for him, this man is growing with each rally.

[dimviii]

190 kph? wow. All-in-all very difficult win for him cleaning the fresh snow most of the time and going flat out, despite some drivers indeed eased him.
.

i am not sure if he had handicapped being first on the road,with the info we had about how much fresh snow was at all stages.For sure at some stages he had advantage,but cant know the percentage of kms for whole rally.

[bluuford]

Here's my video from a pretty decent Swedish Rally in the end!
Good job by the organisation :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ
Too tired to do the podium this time, sorry!

That Polo, Ogier, at 01:15, it looked almost impossible that this car can go through the corner with that speed... wow:)

[BleAivano]

14 FebruaryNew three year contract with WRC Promoter for Rally Sweden.

A little more info in this article: http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/motor/rally/article22263855.ab



When it comes the staging fee, it will be slightly higher for each year (sort of a step climb).
RS have received allot of instructions/pointers (pekpinnar) for next year that they have to solve before the summer.
I.e. accommodation and making sure that they rally is held in snow conditions. According to the article, Glenn Olsson at RS
says that week 6 normally is the snow safest week in the rally's region.
Very avoiding answer on how the are going to make sure that the rally is held in snowy conditions. Basically all of Europe suffered from southerly winds.
RS says that they have a plan each year that FIA, WRC promoter and the teams have to approve first.
RS Will evaluate this year's rally before deciding if there is anything that needs to be moved.
"The drivers want to keep it in Värmland", but the "only" one quoted is Pontus Tidemand. ;)

[stefanvv]

i am not sure if he had handicapped being first on the road,with the info we had about how much fresh snow was at all stages.For sure at some stages he had advantage,but cant know the percentage of kms for whole rally.

Yes we don't know the percentage, but I was particularly impressed on Saturday stages.

[Rally Power]

Just to add that the great winners of this Rally Sweden are the organizers. They’ve done a terrific job! The contract renewal it’s great to them and to WRC, as RS is one of the most iconic events of the season. Like some of you already said, let’s hope they can get more northern ss to avoid weather risks.

It’s also great to see that this year the VW’s aren’t so far away from competition (Meeke at MC and now Paddon, they both put Ogier under real pressure!) and that WRC2 it’s full of young talented drivers.

One final note about Lappi: probably there’s too much criticism on him; Ok, he did a mistake (like so many others, including Ogier), but he got some extra pressure because of the silly start position that was given to him at first leg (like in MC). To me he’s the only one capable to fight Evans for the WRC2 title.

P.S.: terrible season start for Camilli. Hope he can get over it and start to show all his potential!

[hari]

Gallery Rally Sweden 2016 - Day 1 - 3:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2016.html
http://www.ir7.at/d4g.jpg

[dimviii]

Gallery Rally Sweden 2016 - Day 1 - 3:


nice work,but imho it would be better if you could make some sections with day1 day2 day3 photos.I think that photos from all 3 days are mixed,and i am searching to find which photos i haven t seen from the previous 2 days.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

WRC new onboard view=the left side onboard..

Good job, WRC..(sarcasm)

[stefanvv]

Something changed on Polo's rear suspension?
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/schweden/bestof4/1.jpg

[A FONDO]

Here's my video from a pretty decent Swedish Rally in the end!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ


Grea places, as usual!

[dodge33cymru]

Here's my video from a pretty decent Swedish Rally in the end!
Good job by the organisation :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ
Too tired to do the podium this time, sorry!
Utterly superb sir, thanks very much. Much better than the official channels.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbMi7xzWEAIdBCF.png

[AL14]

lol again? Here we go Seb, let's go for it next year again

[Munkvy]

That's a smart approach. Rather than penalising him once and him paying a fine, this way he knows if he cheats again on recce (which is what he is doing by speeding that much) he will start the rally with a big penalty.

[dimviii]

Something changed on Polo's rear suspension?


did you see some difference?

[stefanvv]

did you see some difference?

yeah it looks different from original one:
http://performancedrive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Volkswagen-Polo-WRC-car-rear-suspension.jpg

[dimviii]

first photo is far away and too much dirt to watch differences.

[SubaruNorway]

Wow, awesome job!

Thanks! :)

[SubaruNorway]

Utterly superb sir, thanks very much. Much better than the official channels.

Thanks! Very appreciated getting such nice comments after the hard work :)

[SubaruNorway]

That Polo, Ogier, at 01:15, it looked almost impossible that this car can go through the corner with that speed... wow:)

Yeah that was insane, shame there was so much snow on the road. Had it been like Torsby with just ice you would have seen how close he was to binning it :p (Not possible to see the straight from inside the corner)

[BleAivano]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbMi7xzWEAIdBCF.png


lol again? Here we go Seb, let's go for it next year again

Well that was from 2015 and it says recce so he did not violate the suspended penalty by speeding on the transport.

[Mirek]

Just to add that the great winners of this Rally Sweden are the organizers. They’ve done a terrific job! The contract renewal it’s great to them and to WRC, as RS is one of the most iconic events of the season. Like some of you already said, let’s hope they can get more northern ss to avoid weather risks.

It’s also great to see that this year the VW’s aren’t so far away from competition (Meeke at MC and now Paddon, they both put Ogier under real pressure!) and that WRC2 it’s full of young talented drivers.

One final note about Lappi: probably there’s too much criticism on him; Ok, he did a mistake (like so many others, including Ogier), but he got some extra pressure because of the silly start position that was given to him at first leg (like in MC). To me he’s the only one capable to fight Evans for the WRC2 title.

P.S.: terrible season start for Camilli. Hope he can get over it and start to show all his potential!

I expect Tidemand to have more points than Lappi at the end of season but I also expect Kopecký to have even more (if plans didn't change).

[AL14]

Well that was from 2015 and it says recce so he did not violate the suspended penalty by speeding on the transport.

Ouh, yes you are right.
I totally misunderstood it. I thought Ogier was caught again speeding in recce during Sweden's recces but this is the same document.
Need some rest :)

[stefanvv]

first photo is far away and too much dirt to watch differences.

may be You're right, still it looks more tidy to the chassis, but may be it is misleading

[stefanvv]

Ouh, yes you are right.
I totally misunderstood it. I thought Ogier was caught again speeding in recce during Sweden's recces but this is the same document.
Need some rest :)

he was caught, but not during recce, but during the rally

[bluuford]

Seems that Ogier is regular "tax" payer in Sweden, aound 1,5 k Eur each January :P But this is narrow escape indeed. If the stewards would have written about speeding during the "rally", and not specified it as "recce" then it would have ended with 5th place for him. Interesting that it always happens in Sweden.

[stefanvv]

If the stewards would have written about speeding during the "rally", and not specified it as "recce" then it would have ended with 5th place for him.

Not really, 1 year has passed since this.

[BleAivano]

Not really, 1 year has passed since this.

The decision is stated as 2015-02-14 which is year ago today and Ogier's speeding this year happen two days ago which
is the 12th so it was within the time stipulated in the jury decision.

[stefanvv]

The decision is stated as 2015-02-14 which is year ago today and Ogier's speeding this year happen two days ago which
is the 12th so it was within the time stipulated in the jury decision.

ah yes, it is not today indeed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Here's my video from a pretty decent Swedish Rally in the end!
Good job by the organisation :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ
Too tired to do the podium this time, sorry!

Brilliant video !

So much better than the TV with it's sanitised views and no cars audible over their talking.

Fans videos are real rallying.

[bluuford]

This is the freakest accident I have seen. What really happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgUVsvON_E&feature=youtu.be

[itix]

First a pic for NOT... He'll love it! His favorite driver, typical elements of sweden in focus (tree, bushes, snow), car slightly in the background
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FTsHLMx-VH1EMxnLBpusjKP2hWP6pd3jWbF7_GeYlJfQhCf56Eg7PlVcgT nVfFNUcGZTqEf7FZPMgDDGiKFigU6KuvGtYRfnNwB_vN81AKpy KV7trwKna0yrQg6ECPMvILak4-AZ9C2NXhlgT5_BTaXIDcnc5oIR1c1F5jf-LgeR5Wphd8WSOTCHdPs41t19Zq6zA1b6dI90cE-NA2aS5Rock6clb2c_4UY-6G5zERtYHgxzgS6aMO4e6CSUFWSB5DZSi_uJ_reHRIaoaTK5mA liG34kjaq3mrUbOJx-e0n6NMcyClkcVjsfEayblscel_rLvrraqJn0q3GocbZO65IIV9 tHFGAlXeTFPQF884kZ7uEj_wlm-PFu8pBGpT5TZD7Mb-siucHQ12M9bONTDb8omX7gk9F2qIiG8R6hSxR34FvST3uN2P0G Ooiw1z7KlrQbh1vNoUTF0sbjNEtNi8ylZZ_Symj-xEwMiSzQdrXtE5URD2k3THaa_qo7_OW0DwA0PjWzGnLzuZk3kK i6Ss5CYVUrAcAZJ2pJACCLTBLAIxj-n7HQtdK1RhphJb5TRtPH=w1001-h667-no

...and here's a link to some shots we took over the weekend. The best ones were taken by my girlfriend because she's a much better photographer than I am. We both very much enjoyed it!
https://goo.gl/photos/bnAtjBiwdfwu5zS48

[AL14]

This is the freakest accident I have seen. What really happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgUVsvON_E&feature=youtu.be

I think no one (will never) beat this one https://vimeo.com/121752001

[Mirek]

This is the freakest accident I have seen. What really happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgUVsvON_E&feature=youtu.be

I think You must have seen a lot of other emabarassing ones such as Camilli on Monte, Latvala in Wales, many of Bertelli etc. ;)

[bluuford]

I think You must have seen a lot of other emabarassing ones such as Camilli on Monte, Latvala in Wales, many of Bertelli etc. ;)
Well, The one in Sweden was from 1st gear, that is tough to beat!

[ziggysony]

https://youtu.be/heVPJ3fcjP8 my video from wrc sweden 2016

[Mk2 RS2000]

First a pic for NOT... He'll love it! His favorite driver, typical elements of sweden in focus (tree, bushes, snow), car slightly in the background


I am looking for the dog but cannot see one

[BleAivano]

A more detailed article regarding the future of Rally Sweden.

http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/avtal-klart-%E2%80%93-men-rallyt-kan-flyttas



Anything else then else then a rally held on snow and ice is not accepted by the promoter
They have a deadline at the end of April where they will have check-up to see that everything looks ok
Rally will likely "Realistically" remain in the region for 2017, "not enough time" to make any bigger changes.
goal is to find a more snow safe area within the region.
For 2018 and 2019 they will have to present different alternatives for FIA WRC pr. that they can choose from.
The new deal have clauses which allows FIA/WRC pr to step in with demands and ultimatums
Rally will continue to have Norwegian stages as long as RS can come to an agreement with the Norwegian municipalities.
3 year deal can be cancelled after each year by FIA/WRCPr if the roads/weather doesn't hold up which is based on that
a certain % of the roads have to be good for FIA/WRCPr to be satisfied.
Service area location will depend on where the stages are located.
Snow safest areas are in the Swedish/Norwegian mountain regions.

[AL14]

Many thought the same way about reigning of Seb I.

Only read now your reply.
Yes, maybe it is more a hope than a prevision. Have to say that during Loeb I wasn't a rally fan and did not follow the championship so I can only rely on what you guys say about those times.
Let's hope this time will be the right time by the way.

[tommeke_B]

Back from a very nice rally. It was shortened a lot but the organizers kept most of the action for the spectators. :) In total we've seen 8 proper stages, and the show-stage in Karlstad (but there's not much to see there). We were lucky to have some low temperatures during the rally, roads were completely solid, the snow that fell made it completely perfect. I think during the rally itself the roads held better than other years, we've seen very little forming of ruts compared to other years.

Video from a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETtARnVVwGc , Photos will follow.

[Sso]

Here's my video from a pretty decent Swedish Rally in the end!
Good job by the organisation :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ
Too tired to do the podium this time, sorry!

Great video as usual! :)
I also want to thank you for your recce video o Svullrya, that video made me go to Svullrya instead of going to work as planned ;)
I went to rigth-left combo from start where you pulled over, great place!

/S

[dimviii]

Reigning WRC champion Sebastien Ogier says mental strength is not one of Jari-Matti Latvala’s best attributes - but still considers him his toughest opponent.

Latvala has yet to score points this season, having retired from Rally Monte-Carlo and lost several minutes in the first day of Rally Sweden due to mechanical problems.

"[Latvala] is not overconfident, he’s just easily distracted by some factors," Ogier told Motorsport.com. "Maybe his mental abilities, his ability to focus, are not his forte.

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/latvala-s-mental-strength-not-his-forte-says-ogier-673345/?utm_source=RSS&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=RSS-WRC&utm_term=News&utm_content=www&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[dimviii]

Hyundai to push WRC reliability fix through, Volkswagen in the dark
By David Evans Monday, February 15th 2016, 11:20 GMT

Neuville, Hyundai, Sweden

Hyundai will rush changes to its i20 WRC transmission following Thierry Neuville's Rally Sweden failure, while Volkswagen will not be able to identify what caused Jari-Matti Latvala problem.

Both drivers struck trouble during Friday morning's opening loop, Neuville losing six minutes after having to complete the day with front-wheel-drive only.

Latvala suffered a front-left-driveshaft failure and laboured on in rear-wheel-drive until being forced to stop due to a suspension problem.

Neuville's failure was caused by an oil leak in the diff-cooling radiator, and Hyundai will push through an update to avoid a repeat next month in Mexico.

"We had a leak on the fitting for the diff cooler," team principal Michel Nandan explained.

"The oil came out and there was no more oil in the diff, so everything seized. This problem was 100 per cent our fault.

"The route for the pipes [going in and out of the chassis rail-mounted radiator] are not safe enough and one union was getting loose and letting the oil out.

"This was one part which, provisionally, was going to be changed for Mexico after a test - that's the plan now.

"We have a new radiator coming and we will change the route for the pipes."
Latvala, VW, Sweden

Volkswagen admits it does not know what caused Latvala's problem, and without the damaged parts will not be able to investigate it further.

"This was something we didn't have happen before," team principal Jost Capito said.

"We don't know what it was or why it happened and now, because the parts are all gone, we will never know.

"The connection for the driveshaft broke and the parts came off.

"We will check the materials of the others to have a look and see if we can find anything, but we are confident it won't happen again."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122805?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbQu4ApWwAA9Z6b.jpg:large

[dimviii]

some nice fast spots
https://youtu.be/zVar2HJi5v8

[mousti]

:vader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jTVNS7lZ9s

[SubaruNorway]

Great video as usual! :)
I also want to thank you for your recce video o Svullrya, that video made me go to Svullrya instead of going to work as planned ;)
I went to rigth-left combo from start where you pulled over, great place!

/S

Thank you! :)

No problem! Seemed like many people needed it since it has 9000 views!
Yeah saw a video from there, the fast entry looked spectacular :)

[Lundefaret]

:vader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jTVNS7lZ9s

I dont think any other driver in the WRC had driven to win Rally Sweden from being first on the road. This shows his total and utter commitment. Its a perfect example of how much Ogier is willing to risk to win. Its mind-blowing!

[Lundefaret]

Thank you! :)

No problem! Seemed like many people needed it since it has 9000 views!
Yeah saw a video from there, the fast entry looked spectacular :)

Awake video as usual - WRC should start buying footage from You, even if the have to lower a rope from a helicopter to collect the memory cards! :)

[tommeke_B]

A few photos from Rally Sweden.

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https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12697013_1230621890283028_5031036133203928994_o.jp g

More: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1230621180283099.1073741925.176477852364109&type=3

[Micke_VOC]

:vader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jTVNS7lZ9s

I think we should credit the one who filmed this clip. Here are the original link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1L3eYTySR0 =)

Very close moment there for Ogier.
I looked at the onboards and he had 178 kph there...

[Lundefaret]

I think we should credit the one who filmed this clip. Here are the original link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1L3eYTySR0 =)

Very close moment there for Ogier.
I looked at the onboards and he had 178 kph there...

One of the best rally clips I have seen - incredible!

[mousti]

I think we should credit the one who filmed this clip. Here are the original link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1L3eYTySR0 =)

Very close moment there for Ogier.
I looked at the onboards and he had 178 kph there...
Had a lot of moments on that stage, crazy driving

[dimviii]

have you spot how to recognise which Hyundai is for which driver?

[SubaruNorway]

Awake video as usual - WRC should start buying footage from You, even if the have to lower a rope from a helicopter to collect the memory cards! :)

Thanks! Would be fun but i still think i would enjoy making my own video's more :)

[SubaruNorway]

have you spot how to recognise which Hyundai is for which driver?

Gray roof scoop for Neuville, green for Paddon and red for Sordo.

[Lundefaret]

have you spot how to recognise which Hyundai is for which driver?

The roof intake I think: Green (KIWI): Paddon, Red: Sordo Black: Neuville ?

[dimviii]

The roof intake I think: Green (KIWI): Paddon, Red: Sordo Black: Neuville ?
sorry you are out of quizs for 3 rallies. http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/rtfm.gifhttp://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/lol.gif

[dimviii]

Gray roof scoop for Neuville, green for Paddon and red for Sordo.\

thats right.3 beers for the quiz,and 3 for the video.
btw you was the guy who asked Paddon at twitter if he watches rally fans videos?

[SubaruNorway]

\

thats right.3 beers for the quiz,and 3 for the video.
btw you was the guy who asked Paddon at twitter if he watches rally fans videos?

Woho! Still got some Swedish beer left ;)
Yup, that was me. Very cool that he takes time to answer so many questions :)

Feel free to add me on FB, might be a bit easier to spot me out on the stages: Tor Andre Børresen

[dimviii]

Woho! Still got some Swedish beer left ;)
Yup, that was me. Very cool that he takes time to answer so many questions :)

Feel free to add me on FB, might be a bit easier to spot me out on the stages: Tor Andre Børresen

i dont have facebook http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/frown.gif

sure its cool to answer so many questions.Pitty that nobody else do the same. Its cool that a wrc driver can answer your question.
Its the only guy uses proper the media.

[dimviii]

Meeke pushing hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA1zTYiHGMg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

[hype]

3 photos from Sunday, what a great rally, I really enjoyed it.
The atmosphere is fantastic and the Swedes are so friendly, I love them.

Btw, how do I see the pickem results?

http://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-sweden-2016ocjg1.jpg

http://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-sweden-2016anj6g.jpg

http://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-sweden-2016hdkc5.jpg

[Lundefaret]

sorry you are out of quizs for 3 rallies. http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/rtfm.gifhttp://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/lol.gif

Then I must demand that every quiz is marked as Quiz! Thought I only was being helpful :)

[Simorally86]

Just returned from my second Rally Sweden...what to say...AMAZING! Very happy about the 3 years contract, i'm already waiting the 2017 edition ;) Were been three beautiful days in Sweden, a lot of fun and Always a great spectacle! Here some photos :

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.567509550069757.1073741865.253244108162971&type=1&l=b28aa71f08

[dimviii]

Then I must demand that every quiz is marked as Quiz! Thought I only was being helpful :)

just joking mate http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/empathy.gif

[N.O.T]

I dont think any other driver in the WRC had driven to win Rally Sweden from being first on the road. This shows his total and utter commitment. Its a perfect example of how much Ogier is willing to risk to win. Its mind-blowing!

Loeb won Sweden and Norway.

[Sulland]

Lets face it, Sweden was very lucky, getting the cold weather for when they did, that saved the rally.

To get more certain snow conditions, they must move north, maybe all the way to Østersund.

Of course they habe the whole organisation, also all the volanteers coming from Värmlands county, and now they might have to go to past Dalarna, and all the way into Jämtland. That will require that they have to bring all staff, and many volunteers up north, at least the first year.
But they are arranging rallies in the Østersund area, so they know how it is done.

Maybe a change of scenery is a good thing, also for the drivers, when all comes to all!

[BleAivano]

Lets face it, Sweden was very lucky, getting the cold weather for when they did, that saved the rally.

To get more certain snow conditions, they must move north, maybe all the way to Østersund.

Of course they have the whole organisation, also all the volanteers coming from Värmlands county, and now they might have to go to past Dalarna, and
all the way into Jämtland. That will require that they have to bring all staff, and many volunteers up north, at least the first year.
But they are arranging rallies in the Østersund area, so they know how it is done.

Maybe a change of scenery is a good thing, also for the drivers, when all comes to all!


I agree of course and the WRC promoter also said that RS need to be able to make sure that the rally is in winter conditions.
I think for 2017 they will not move it that far. Perhaps northern Värmland/south-western Dalarna. The problem is that that won't be
100% snow safe either. Even places like Särna/Idre in the north-western corner of Dalarna have less then 30cm (1 feet) of snow
when there normally should be at least 2-2.5 x that amount.

For 2018-19 I agree that such a move probably won't be enough.

Österund do have an annual championship round but do they have:
enough volunteers?
enough sponsor backings?
Enough available roads (some 10-12 unique proper stages are required) when you take into account transport stages, access roads, county board/road owner permissions?

What do the ski-resorts think? If their rooms becomes occupied by rally people, it likely will mean less people who buy ski lift access cards, renting skis and etc.

In a way it will be easier for international visitors to get there since Östersund have an airport with multiple daily flights to Stockholm.
They also have train connection with the rest of Sweden. Two things that Hagfors lacks,
However perhaps less local visitors due to much larger distance the larger population centre that stretches from Oslo in the west to Stockholm in the east.
For most of them spontaneous day visits will no longer be possible or at least allot more difficult compared to the current area.

I have about 250km to Hagfors (about a 3 hour drive) but over twice that (550km) to Österund and a 7 hour drive.

So while necessary, it will be a tough mountain climb.

[Slipzen]

Removed

[Slipzen]

3 photos from Sunday, what a great rally, I really enjoyed it.
The atmosphere is fantastic and the Swedes are so friendly, I love them.

Btw, how do I see the pickem results?

http://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-sweden-2016ocjg1.jpg

http://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-sweden-2016anj6g.jpg

http://abload.de/img/wrc-rally-sweden-2016hdkc5.jpg

Nice pictures. The flag on the Paddon picture is mine Too bad we didn't meet!

[GigiGalliNo1]

http://www.rallyssimo.it/2016/02/15/noi-stiamo-con-lorenzo/

Google translate isn't any help

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com.au&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://www.rallyssimo.it/2016/02/15/noi-stiamo-con-lorenzo/&usg=ALkJrhhpD1bkSEGKT6cVEgb9XdnV75iVAg

[focus206]

http://www.rallyssimo.it/2016/02/15/noi-stiamo-con-lorenzo/

Google translate isn't any help

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com.au&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://www.rallyssimo.it/2016/02/15/noi-stiamo-con-lorenzo/&usg=ALkJrhhpD1bkSEGKT6cVEgb9XdnV75iVAg

The author is backing up the decision of Bertelli to retire from Rally Sweden for safety reasons and his proposal to create a WRC drivers' committee or whatever he wants...

[hype]

Nice pictures. The flag on the Paddon picture is mine Too bad we didn't meet!

Thanks, so you were standing right next to the flag?
I was only there for one picture and had to leave after Ogier to get my flight in Stockholm.

[EstWRC]

Awesome vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjdbhunBy7s

[TorsteinEr90]

60 seconds of Rally Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TnvlORKA0

[Mirek]

Lets face it, Sweden was very lucky, getting the cold weather for when they did, that saved the rally.

Or were they unlucky that those few warm days came just before the rally?

[bluuford]

Or were they unlucky that those few warm days came just before the rally?
I agree with you Mirek. It was almost like heatwave:) But lets say, Karlstad is waayyy to south and Hagfors is on the very edge. So, maybe it would be good idea to just add some stages further north. That means, during warmer years we have Norwegian stages OK, northern stages OK and maybe some stages near Värmland. Other years, rally distance is just a bit shorter. Or create completely new format. That means, based on the pre-rally forecast, you can automatically leave out some stages in the north or some in the south. I belive that preparing more stages (safety plans, spectator guides etc.) might be cheaper than rebuilding stages overnight.

[Lundefaret]

Loeb won Sweden and Norway.

Yes, and so?

"I dont think any other driver in the WRC had driven to win Rally Sweden from being first on the road."

The conditions where very special, with a huge disadvantage to the first on the road. I think very few drivers, even Loeb, would drive to win such an event, when You know how much risk thats involved in attempting such a feat.

[dimviii]

Ogier and Breen out of road at same corner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRnW3F_5OL4&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

The conditions where very special, with a huge disadvantage to the first on the road.

are you sure?

[dimviii]

watch the heli how low flies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI7jtIW2vA0&feature=youtu.be

[dodge33cymru]

Yeah, I'm as entertained by the helicopter pilots as the drivers sometimes, I was amazed in some of the coverage by how the helis appeared to be below the treeline last weekend.

[bluuford]

Proper moment for Meeke (no big rocks in this snow pile..luckyly):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA1zTYiHGMg&app=desktop

[Mirek]

Yeah, I'm as entertained by the helicopter pilots as the drivers sometimes, I was amazed in some of the coverage by how the helis appeared to be below the treeline last weekend.


It's for sure spectacular but in my opinion too risky. The pilots are not there to risk a crash.

[EstWRC]

After watching many videos on youtube im not suprised that Meeke found that rock. He is just cutting more than others, Mikkelsen being the other one IMO. Lots of sideways too.

[Rallyper]

After watching many videos on youtube im not suprised that Meeke found that rock. He is just cutting more than others, Mikkelsen being the other one IMO. Lots of sideways too.

Cutting is one thing. Cutting together with understeering is way much more dangerous. Don´t know, but I would suspect Meeke did that combination.

[hari]

Cutting is one thing. Cutting together with understeering is way much more dangerous. Don´t know, but I would suspect Meeke did that combination.

Yes, I was inside that corner. Others was more sideways while going over the rock and nothing happened. Meeke went straight line over it and cut a little bit more. Only Ogier had very similar line, but the Polo just jumped a little bit after driving over the rock.

[dimviii]

flat out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=794&v=GGJgJ5JOSWQ

[RS]

flat out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=794&v=GGJgJ5JOSWQ

Awesome video, much better than the official WRC footage.

Particularly of the WRC2 crews.. I am sure official WRC tv crews are instructed to make WRC2 cars look much slower than they really are!

[Jack4688`]

Awesome vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjdbhunBy7s

Amazing shots. Why can't the official WRC coverage get footage like that????

[Simmi]

My photos from the rally. Happy with how they came out. Any feedback appreciated!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157664767407275

[gorganl2000]

Proper moment for Meeke (no big rocks in this snow pile..luckyly):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA1zTYiHGMg&app=desktop

one of the other vids shows some other drivers going into there as well
so its kind of good no cars got any apparent damage from that specific spot

[dimviii]

My photos from the rally. Happy with how they came out. Any feedback appreciated!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157664767407275

some amazing photos mate!! The one with Paddon hiting the stick you have to send him.
From photos we see that Ogier was cutting deep too.

[Simmi]

some amazing photos mate!! The one with Paddon hiting the stick you have to send him.
From photos we see that Ogier was cutting deep too.

Thanks mate I appreciate that. Inch perfect from Paddon while being twice as sideways as anyone else. Breen finally took out the stick a few cars later. It wasn't just road sweeping on the rally but the racing line changed after each car. Something I'd never really thought about.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awesome vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjdbhunBy7s

Cant believe that helicopter following the cars between the trees !

[Barreis]

Cant believe that helicopter following the cars between the trees !

Crazy stuff... :D

[dimviii]

It wasn't just road sweeping on the rally but the racing line changed after each car. Something I'd never really thought about.

so at stages you watched,there was advantage or disadvantage for the 1st crew passing?

id like an answer from tommeke too,if he reads this post,as he watched about 8 stages if i remember right

[sindroms]

Cant believe that helicopter following the cars between the trees !

Had a chat with a helicopter pilot in Rally Finland 2014. Maybe it was this guy, because of his helicopter was yellow too :)
But seriously - he switched to that job after 15 (or something like this, can't recall correctly) years in Swedish Air Forces. So I have no doubts regarding his skills :)

[Lousada]

watch the heli how low flies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI7jtIW2vA0&feature=youtu.be

I thought they used drones for these kind of shots, but no :eek:

[Lousada]

Awesome vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjdbhunBy7s

Some of the video- and photographers behaved really mental on this rally. Very often they appear right on the edge of the track in very fast sections. Look at this video at the jump on 1:43, some guy sitting there in the ditch right in the landing zone... Some people on this forum are quick to criticize the Polish Rally for poor spectator control, but how is this any better?

[BleAivano]

The early days of Rally Sweden: http://www.svtplay.se/video/6504771/stopptid/stopptid-avsnitt-7-1

[Hartusvuori]

so at stages you watched,there was advantage or disadvantage for the 1st crew passing?

id like an answer from tommeke too,if he reads this post,as he watched about 8 stages if i remember right

On some corners it must've been disadvantage for Ogier to run first, but apparently - judging by his stage times - it wasn't much of a distadvantage. For example on Svullrya 1 we were on quite fast righthander in which if you went too wide, a ditch was lurking. Ogier first on the road went 1,5 metres wider than anyone else escaping the ditch by another 50 cm. But he was so fast! I think on that icy stage there were surprises for him too where the traction changed. Same on Power Stage Latvala was fully sideways on our corner (Mikkelsen's place) as a first car. Meeke followed sideways, but in the middle of the corner his line corrected to straight on unnatural manner. On other stages there was no pattern that which of the WRC crews went wider than others. All had it. In general once after a half a dozen cars the breaking points came visible and later on the ideal line, that changed and relaxed approaches. For the fastest R5s some surprise factor remained, but in general - as normally in winter events - the correct line is quickly drawn to the road.

I did the event from Thursday to Sunday, visiting recce and recceing only on Thursday. My friends did recce early in the week and conditions they met were very difficult. Organisers put on a huge effort to save the event and in the end, had you not known what kind of conditions were early in the week, there was no indication of the poor weather. All stages were very nice wintry weather. Many stages would've lasted the second pass too, at least on those roads we were. Supposedly in 2014 the roads on 2nd passes and afterwards were much more detoriated. Stage cancellations however only dropped off one stage from our plans as we originally planned to do only 2 stages a day. Route is so spread out and itineary so intense that anything else is just hurrying. Shakedown's cancellation was of course a setback. Apparently Sunday's Lesjöfors stage - if if they had done repairs - was cancelled due to ground stones which that stage is well-known for (remember Juho in 2014).

On recce I get to talk to many drivers, some of which asking the nasty questions. I didn't get Ogier to say he'd love Rally Sweden. He declined to understand when I said about the conditions that can't modern drivers adjust their speed to what's in front of them. On the contrary, Paddon said he'll do just that and drive only as fast as possible. Marc Marti suggested use of gravel crews with unpredictably changing conditions. In general conditions between the recce and the race were rather different.

About stars of the rally the most obvious are already mentioned. Evans - his so effortless, yet his times are great. This must be doing huge favours for his confidence. Ogier was really on it the first two days. On Power Stage he looked downright slow, but still 3 second scratch... Paddon was very clean and very fast. The two stages I saw with Camilli were very good too. I thought he'd be all over the place, but he was very much on the ideal line and quick. OK, he crashed, but he crashed hard. He was on it. Also the place was bad if you follow how the treeline goes there. Classic big crash place. Had it not been Camilli, it would've been someone else. A warning was placed after his crash.

My favourite driver must be Teemu Suninen though. This was the first time he convinced me. His speed was right there and he was all over the place. What else can you expect from spectator's point of view?

My surprise driver must Tempestini. I haven't checked his times, but he was clearly pushing. I think there's a chance within some timeframe he'll upgrade the last one step.

I'm happy that Rally Sweden gets to continue. I'd hope to see a move a bit up North as everyone else. I don't care so much about the snow, just drivable conditions. Biggest change would be some new stages which had not been used over and over again.

My friend's gallery from the event: http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rally+Sweden+2016/

[dimviii]

On some corners it must've been disadvantage for Ogier to run first, but apparently - judging by his stage times - it wasn't much of a distadvantage.

thats the impression i had too from watching all videos till now.Thats why i asked.
Thanks for your post mate!



nice photo of Evans

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbajqNhW0AAx_FE.jpg:large

[tc10a]

On Vargasen 1 it was a big disadvantage to run first.

On Röjden 2 also a disadvantage.

[itix]

watch the heli how low flies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI7jtIW2vA0&feature=youtu.be

I was mighty impressed with the helicopter pilots... the yellow one especially! They did tight maneuvers right next to the trees, in between the trees, landed and took off right next to trees etc... all very impressive.

I've flown (as in ridden, not driven) helicopters a bunch of time and none of the pilots I have flown with have dared to fly anywhere near the trees.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0215.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0105.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_013.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0226.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0175.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0207.jpg

[Mk2 RS2000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM750AWlIEw&feature=youtu.be

Hayden enjoying the day after Sweden

[Lundefaret]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0215.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0105.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_013.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0226.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0175.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rally_sweden_2016/jnu_rpf_0207.jpg

Perfect photos to show the differences in driving technique, and very easy to see why Ogier is the fastest and safest.

[dimviii]

Perfect photos to show the differences in driving technique, and very easy to see why Ogier is the fastest and safest.

thats why i posted.

[SubaruNorway]

Just wanted to give a big thanks to everyone who watched and shared my video from Rally Sweden, didn't think it would be possible to reach 150.000 views so fast especially since it didn't have as much variation as usual! :)

Just need a couple hundre thousands more now and my fuel bill for the Impreza STI will be covered, haha! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LzC_DTYKQ

[BleAivano]

Some information about RS 2017; http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/inga-heliga-kor-i-det-har-laget

[Sulland]

So they are to present the promotor and FIA with the plan for 2017 by 30 April this year.
They are still only talking of the Värmland county, I think they need to have a backup plan further north. At least with Dalarna, or maybe even Jämtland, that have even more secure winter conditions.

The climate changes is forcing them, and most others that are arranging winter sport. Many of those can use artificial snow, but Rally can not do that, they need the real thing.

[Slipzen]

Sideways driving from Östberg and Neuville.

https://youtu.be/0mszbNI9Z2Y

[BleAivano]

So they are to present the promotor and FIA with the plan for 2017 by 30 April this year.
They are still only talking of the Värmland county, I think they need to have a backup plan further north. At least with Dalarna,
or maybe even Jämtland, that have even more secure winter conditions.

The climate changes is forcing them, and most others that are arranging winter sport. Many of those can use artificial snow,
but Rally can not do that, they need the real thing.

They have said in earlier articles that major changes wouldn't be possible for 2017 due to the short time available until the deadline.

They have to find snow safe areas and new stages but at the same time FIA+WRC promoter wants to have it somewhere
where there is good availability for hotel rooms and accommodation.

That is not an easy puzzle to solve, even if I agree that they need to move into western Dalarna at a minimum.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/q3Br26mXQf4

[SubaruNorway]

https://youtu.be/q3Br26mXQf4

Please add the title of the video so that we don't have to open things we've seen before :)

[dimviii]

Please add the title of the video so that we don't have to open things we've seen before :)

have we seen it at motorsportforums?

[SubaruNorway]

have we seen it at motorsportforums?

Not sure, but that's not the point ;)