News & rumours

[Koppomsbo]

I have heard that Suzuki SX4 WRC-project is a disaster. There is not enough money, and the car is worser than Hyundai Accent WRC.. When they tested in Sweden three of the mechanics from Japan hadn´t seen the car before and some others where local Swedish mechanics. They are also kicking out all the French people, like Nandan, and replace them with people from Japan.

However, they are developing a S2000-car beside..

Well, i wouldnt say just say "local" swedish mechanics, the swedish guy who where there is the same chief mechanic that PG have had during his Suzuki time.

[AndyRAC]

I have heard that Suzuki SX4 WRC-project is a disaster. There is not enough money, and the car is worser than Hyundai Accent WRC.. When they tested in Sweden three of the mechanics from Japan hadn´t seen the car before and some others where local Swedish mechanics. They are also kicking out all the French people, like Nandan, and replace them with people from Japan.

However, they are developing a S2000-car beside..

Why am I not surprised?

Nandan leaving and saying they had no money for testing....., They'll be lucky if they're as good as the Accent WRC. Yes, we want more teams but only if they're taking it serously, and not on the cheap. Pity none of the prestige brands aren't interested.

[A.F.F.]

Welcome to S2000 :up:

[Frozzy]

what ever hapened to hyundais plans of getting back into the WRC anyways?

[Mirek]

Were there actualy some?

[GigiGalliNo1]

haha thats funny hearing about suzi giving up so easily? hrmm....

[jparker]

haha thats funny hearing about suzi giving up so easily? hrmm....

I don't think "giving up" is the right word here, it's a wise decision. Why spend tons of money and few years development, just to come to the point when they have to scrap everything. The sooner they get their attention to S2000, the better.

[Donney]

Why entering the WRC then and not going straight to the IRC and then switching with all the experienced and data collected there?

[bluuford]

Well. this is just a rumour about suzuki (like the heading of the thread is saying). I heard also some rumours that current super 2000 formula was dead already when it was born. Not spectacular, no fun to watch those cars. I am agree with that point. Current super 2000 cars are bit too much down o power side. I am completely crazy rally fan (waste at least 4 hours on that every day) but you have to pay me lot if you want me to spectate super2000 championship. No thanks. Not interested.
btw. I heard this rumour only in my head ;-P

[jparker]

Well. this is just a rumour about suzuki (like the heading of the thread is saying). I heard also some rumours that current super 2000 formula was dead already when it was born. Not spectacular, no fun to watch those cars. I am agree with that point. Current super 2000 cars are bit too much down o power side. I am completely crazy rally fan (waste at least 4 hours on that every day) but you have to pay me lot if you want me to spectate super2000 championship. No thanks. Not interested.
btw. I heard this rumour only in my head ;-P

If true, then we have dead dead situation. Thanks god your rumor has no value at all, because what we have now as S2000 cars is nowhere near what they are going to be.

[PLuto]

Well. this is just a rumour about suzuki (like the heading of the thread is saying). I heard also some rumours that current super 2000 formula was dead already when it was born. Not spectacular, no fun to watch those cars. I am agree with that point. Current super 2000 cars are bit too much down o power side. I am completely crazy rally fan (waste at least 4 hours on that every day) but you have to pay me lot if you want me to spectate super2000 championship. No thanks. Not interested.
btw. I heard this rumour only in my head ;-P

Have you ever seen S2000 on your eyes with good driver (not only on TV)?

[bluuford]

Yep I have seen good driver. And it is true. It looks quite good. But the problem is that it looks good only in the hands of good driver. We need a car that looks good in the hands of medium and if possible gentleman driver as well! That is why I tell you. We need turbo and more power:-)

[PLuto]

Yep I have seen good driver. And it is true. It looks quite good. But the problem is that it looks good only in the hands of good driver. We need a car that looks good in the hands of medium and if possible gentleman driver as well! That is why I tell you. We need turbo and more power:-)

For me it is better to see one or two good drivers in S2000 than 20 medium or genleman drivers in WRC...

[Tomi]

For me it is better to see one or two good drivers in S2000

Your wait to see that can take a while.

[HaCo]

I heard other guys telling too that S2000 is not spectacular. Well, at very slow speed situations and when it is very dry and high grip. As soon the road gets a bit slippery it is much better. But then, if you go at high speed situations, the S2000 is awesome to watch. Not nice, not good, no, awesome!!!
I've seen Freddy Loix doing things in his Polo, what I never saw doing anyone in a WRC car, it is increddible.

So, if one tells me S2000 is boring to watch, it's his right of course, but I have a different opinion and I'm sure I'm right cause I've seen it with my own eyes (and heard it!).


EDIT: oh yeah, I prefer WRC over S2000, that for sure. But to see 10 rich ass drivers in a WRC or see 10 talented drivers in an S2000 my choice is very quickly made.

[PLuto]

I heard other guys telling too that S2000 is not spectacular. Well, at very slow speed situations and when it is very dry and high grip. As soon the road gets a bit slippery it is much better. But then, if you go at high speed situations, the S2000 is awesome to watch. Not nice, not good, no, awesome!!!
I've seen Freddy Loix doing things in his Polo, what I never saw doing anyone in a WRC car, it is increddible.

So, if one tells me S2000 is boring to watch, it's his right of course, but I have a different opinion and I'm sure I'm right cause I've seen it with my own eyes (and heard it!).


EDIT: oh yeah, I prefer WRC over S2000, that for sure. But to see 10 rich ass drivers in a WRC or see 10 talented drivers in an S2000 my choice is very quickly made.

My words...

[PLuto]

EDIT: oh yeah, I prefer WRC over S2000, that for sure. But to see 10 rich ass drivers in a WRC or see 10 talented drivers in an S2000 my choice is very quickly made.

I prefer OLDER WRC over S2000. I must say last "electronic" versions of WRC are very boring also with good drivers...

[MikeD]

I've seen Freddy Loix doing things in his Polo, what I never saw doing anyone in a WRC car, it is increddible.

Ahh come on! Freddy Marlboro Loix was one of the worst drivers seen in a good rally car .... ever!



EDIT: oh yeah, I prefer WRC over S2000, that for sure. But to see 10 rich ass drivers in a WRC or see 10 talented drivers in an S2000 my choice is very quickly made.

So are you telling us that if you take the IRC drivers and put them into WRC, they will beat the rich asses of Loeb, Hirvonen, P.Solberg, Latvala, Sordo etc.?

Don't take me the wrong way, there are some good drivers in IRC, and there are way to many money drivers in WRC, but the 5 or so best rally drivers in the world are all in WRC and that's why that's still the series to watch.

[Tomi]

I've seen Freddy Loix doing things in his Polo, what I never saw doing anyone in a WRC car, it is increddible.

come on tell us was she good looking.

[N]

hehe, I think you guys are jumping to conclusions to early. Ok, I know, you can't say that their current development is perfect, but it should be interesting to compare to the development and performance of the new Impreza and only time will tell...

[Corny]

come on tell us was she good looking.

He was driving it very agressive, and took that car to its limit..
It was quit spectaculair indeed, better than the WRCs from nowadays..

[COD]

If you put all the current top drivers into S2000 machines + a few more from ICR, PWRC or whatever the show would be much better than with curren "railway" WRC's.

And with no WRC-cars to compare to, 99% of spectators would not know the difference.

[SubaruNorway]

Some rumours several Fabia WRC are coming to Norway, anyone heard anything about that?

[DonJippo]

If you put all the current top drivers into S2000 machines + a few more from ICR, PWRC or whatever the show would be much better than with curren "railway" WRC's.

Taking of 60% of torgue and 40% of power somehow makes cars more spectacular? Rules for "fast forward" do apply also for S2000, with 4WD car "the show" stays pretty much the same IMHO.

You really want to change something ban 4WD...

[Koppomsbo]

Some rumours several Fabia WRC are coming to Norway, anyone heard anything about that?


Two fabias, one for Kongsrud and i think Linnerud is trying to get to drive the other one. Perhaps already in Rally Finnskog

[Daniel]

Taking of 60% of torgue and 40% of power somehow makes cars more spectacular? Rules for "fast forward" do apply also for S2000, with 4WD car "the show" stays pretty much the same IMHO.

You really want to change something ban 4WD...
You know I was thinking about this today. Screw 4wd. Bring back F2 rules. Limit the use of composites and exotic alloys.

[bluuford]

Well, I was trying to say that the current S2000 formula in my mind isn't as good as it can be. Yes, old WRC cars were the most spectacular. But I just wanted to say that add some power and turbo to S2000 and I am happy. Of course I am not happy about current WRC series.

As this topic is meant for "News and Rumours" then something inside the topic as well. Today is the press conference about Urmo Aava future and very strong rumours are that he is the third driver in CWRT (doing about 10 events).

[Halvis]

come on tell us was she good looking.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Really good one!

[AndyRAC]

You know I was thinking about this today. Screw 4wd. Bring back F2 rules. Limit the use of composites and exotic alloys.

I sort of agree, I've said before that 4WD has proved it point. How Manufacturers have 4WD road cars? Do Citroen, Ford??
Or how about a equivalency formula; 2L 2wd 300bhp or 4WD 1.6 250 bhp( or something equivalent). Loved those F2 cars, wow!!

[MartijnS]

Two fabias, one for Kongsrud and i think Linnerud is trying to get to drive the other one. Perhaps already in Rally Finnskog

The ex-Wevers Sport Fabias?

[Krigen]

Two fabias, one for Kongsrud and i think Linnerud is trying to get to drive the other one. Perhaps already in Rally Finnskog

Are you sure of this? Where have you heard??

[COD]

Taking of 60% of torgue and 40% of power somehow makes cars more spectacular? Rules for "fast forward" do apply also for S2000, with 4WD car "the show" stays pretty much the same IMHO.

You really want to change something ban 4WD...

Try and understand, it not 4WD that makes the cars go on rails, it's the active diffs and massive aerodynamic devices mainly and also huge suspension travel. All these are not allowed in S2000. Add the sound of normally aspirated engines and voila, you have a much better show that you do now

[jonkka]

Add the sound of normally aspirated engines and voila, you have a much better show that you do now

That high-pitched screeeech?

[Donney]

I like the sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hA2nmEwRuE&feature=related

[HaCo]

LOL, I like it too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q67E7VWo5A :)

[Koppomsbo]

Are you sure of this? Where have you heard??


A very secure source :D

[bennizw]

A Skoda is on it's way to Norway in the coming days. Whether it's an Octavia or Fabia isn't know yet, expect to get more news within a few hours. It is Team Itweb and Even Moan based in Hønefoss who has done the purchase, and will use it for the national championship in the country. Another Fabia is also on it's way here too, allthough it's not completely confirmed yet, it should be in the country by the 29th January. The driver of this last car is supposed to be Bernhard Kongsrud.

See their blog here:

http://www.vgb.no/24950

[Tom206wrc]

Two fabias, one for Kongsrud and i think Linnerud is trying to get to drive the other one. Perhaps already in Rally Finnskog



And Tord expects to have better results with the Fabia than last year with the 206... ??? :mark:

[bennizw]

UPDATE! It turned out to be an Octavia that has be bought!

http://www.vgb.no/24950

[jonkka]

I like the sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hA2nmEwRuE&feature=related

Try this for a real rally car sound instead of those down-toned buzzing bees or screeching hysteric women.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Hck7MBnFWPM

As a bonus, you'll be able to observe DR in action.

[SubaruNorway]

Talked to Tord Linneruds former co-driver he confirmed he's coming in a new car but woulden't tell me what, Kongsrud has said himself he's working on driving a Fabia so thats pretty sertain.

[Langdale Forest]

Ouninpohja not in 2008 Rally Finland.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=119&desc=Ouninpohja%20out%20of%202008%20Rally%20Finlan d

[Daniel]

Ouninpohja not in 2008 Rally Finland.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=119&desc=Ouninpohja%20out%20of%202008%20Rally%20Finlan d
I'm sure that's been known for at least a week. Typical WRC being slow and useless.

[janneppi]

It's been mentioned at least for two weeks in Finnish media.

[pantealex]

Ouninpohja not in 2008 Rally Finland.
They will probably run parts of it, like "Kakaristo area" (place where is over 10000people watching) That´s the situation at the moment.

[Tomi]

They will probably run parts of it, like "Kakaristo area" (place where is over 10000people watching) That´s the situation at the moment.

Thats because its easy to bring the sponsors there, big fields around, but 1 of the lousiest part of the stage.

[Simmi]

Thats because its easy to bring the sponsors there, big fields around, but 1 of the lousiest part of the stage.

There are places like this at every rally. Where the crowds are ten rows deep looking at the back of each others heads when a short walk down the stage will see a quieter and more spectacular viewing spot.

It looks awesome seeing the massive crowd, as long as you aren't daft enough to be in the middle of it.

[Langdale Forest]

There will be a prize for longest jump at Colins crest on Rally Sweden.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=139&desc=Swedish%20Rally%20tribute%20to%20Colin%20McRa e

[Corny]

a novel tribute to double world champion Colin McRae.


Never knew Colin was a double world champion :p

[Simmi]

a novel tribute to double world champion Colin McRae.


Never knew Colin was a double world champion :p

Yet more fundamental factual errors from wrc.com

They can remodel the website all they want but the writing is still a complete joke.

[GigiGalliNo1]

hahhahaha

[WRCfan]

What morons are writing the stories on that site????

[Roy]

A rumour says because there is now snow it is possible rally Sweden is skipped. :down: :crazy: :mad: That would be a disaster.

Is that possible? Is there a way out?

[Tomi]

A rumour says because there is now snow it is possible rally Sweden is skipped. :down: :crazy: :mad: That would be a disaster.

Is that possible? Is there a way out?

yes there is, if everyone of you send a few bottles shaving foam it should do the job.

[Langdale Forest]

It was almost cancelled in 2005 because of no snow and it was cancelled in 1990.

[DonJippo]

yes there is, if everyone of you send a few bottles shaving foam it should do the job.

LOL I can send two :rotflmao:

[grugsticles]

Surely if there isnt any snow in Sweden, teams can just switch to some gravel/mud spec tyres?

[Jaanus]

Surely if there isnt any snow in Sweden, teams can just switch to some gravel/mud spec tyres?

The roads are too soft and would be completely destroyd. If there are degrees above zero during the rally then the only right thing to do is to cancel the rally. You can blame global warming for that.

[Fischer]

I hope that was a joke about blaming global warming, because previous year there was more than enough snow in Sweden for the rally to take place.

[Roy]

I hope that was a joke about blaming global warming, because previous year there was more than enough snow in Sweden for the rally to take place.

Last year was a worse year in (West)Europe. Good for rallies like Sweden and Norway, but worse overall. Because it was to wet and cold in the summer. It was little strange to talk about global warming when there such a weather.
But I think we can say there is a problem on this earth and we can see it in rally. No snow in Monte and less snow in Sweden.

For what it helps... the Biofuel is to late. Offcourse :\

[Magnus]

There is of course a global warmiong going on, that is not questioned anywhere, and countries like Sweden suffer more from it. The question is why the global warming is taking place.
The snow is not important for the rally, even though the drivers like it, but the roads need to be frozen, or else they will be destroyed, and it will cost a fortune for USR to fix them.

[MikeD]

News on the driver front.

a.) Manfred Stohl has secured a Ford Focus drive for 5 WRC events. Mexico should be his first of the 5 outings. It's not clear yet if it will be with Stobart, Munchi's or Ramsport.

b.) Henning Solberg will switch between the Stobart and the Munchi's team during the season to help optimise M2 points for those teams.

[jacko]

News on the driver front.

a.) Manfred Stohl has secured a Ford Focus drive for 5 WRC events. Mexico should be his first of the 5 outings. It's not clear yet if it will be with Stobart, Munchi's or Ramsport.

b.) Henning Solberg will switch between the Stobart and the Munchi's team during the season to help optimise M2 points for those teams.


a) wrong, so far there's nothing for Manfred, confirmed by himself at the MC rally where he's working for Henning Solberg.

b) yes, he could switch indeed although he's a 2007 car and Villagra a 2006 Ford Focus ( or isn't that a problem? ). But it seems that he would do a few rallies for Munchi's and that some other driver would be nominated for the second Stobart car, i do not think it's Wilson Jr. so hopefully Duval will have this second car in some gravel rounds :)

[rwssport]

Whats the situation with an M2 team using 2 different models of the same car... say and 06 & 07 Focus?? I know it's a no no with different models - weren't Aava and Rautenbach to be part of an M2 Team this year but can't until Conrad gets his C4??

[Brother John]

a) wrong, so far there's nothing for Manfred, confirmed by himself at the MC rally where he's working for Henning Solberg.

b) yes, he could switch indeed although he's a 2007 car and Villagra a 2006 Ford Focus ( or isn't that a problem? ). But it seems that he would do a few rallies for Munchi's and that some other driver would be nominated for the second Stobart car, i do not think it's Wilson Jr. so hopefully Duval will have this second car in some gravel rounds :)

Wrong, Henning Solberg wil drive 6 rallys for Munchis-Team!
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/n/d/2008/01/26/vorerst-kein-comeback-von-stohl/index.html

[DonJippo]

Wrong, Henning Solberg wil drive 6 rallys for Munchis-Team!

So does it mean we will hear this before Henning on stages?

http://sooda.mobileavenue.net/ringtones/tones/433.mp3

:p

[Brother John]

So does it mean we will hear this before Henning on stages?

http://sooda.mobileavenue.net/ringtones/tones/433.mp3

:p

Correct. ;) . How we let him stop? To buy something. :D

[DonJippo]

Finnish magazine IS Veikkaaja is reporting that we might see Markko Märtin in some WRC event(s) later this year...NORF maybe...?

[MJW]

Finnish magazine IS Veikkaaja is reporting that we might see Markko Märtin in some WRC event(s) later this year...NORF maybe...?
Autosport in UK said something similar, DR has made the offer that if ever Markko wanted a WRC drive in a Subaru it would be available, my guess is IF it happens the first event for S14 would be that rally, my guess is Acropolis or more likely NORF. Ball in Markko's court, no pressure.

[Mirek]

Markko said himself that he didn't want to drive a rally anymore in Bettega's memorial...

[leno]

i belive he will drive more rallies, testing of new impreza will motivated him

[Tom206wrc]

News on the driver front.

a.) Manfred Stohl has secured a Ford Focus drive for 5 WRC events. Mexico should be his first of the 5 outings. It's not clear yet if it will be with Stobart, Munchi's or Ramsport.

...




Then the hope to see him in an S2000 on IRC or somewhere else definitely comes to an end !! :mark:

[Motorsportfun]

Here a small video (http://www.racingworld.it/rally/notizia.php?idtitolo=4770&url=wrc-scoop-mondiale-in-strada-la-subaru-wrc-2008) about the SWRT tests in Sardinia

[alleskids]

Steven Vergalle, who is sponsering a lot of Belgium rally drivers, and who is the big man who is supporting Francois Duval is selling the Ford Focus WRC05 that Pieter Tsjoen was driving in Monte Carlo a couple of years ago and won the Belgium rally championship with it. Mr Vergalle is searching every were to find the budget for Francois Duval to add more rallies to his 2008 program (MC - D - E). His aim is to have Duval in Rally Jordan, and hopefully in Wales Rally GB.

[Viking]

According to Norwegian tv Malcolm Wilson made an offer for Andreas Mikkelsen to drive for the Stobart team in Argentina.
I guess it is “only” a money issue. :)

[DonJippo]

According to Norwegian tv Malcolm Wilson made an offer for Andreas Mikkelsen to drive for the Stobart team in Argentina.

I'm amused how reporters are making these paid-by-driver seats like those are offered by teams to someone, seats are available to all having enough money...just a case who has it.

[Daniel]

I'm amused how reporters are making these paid-by-driver seats like those are offered by teams to someone, seats are available to all having enough money...just a case who has it.
Don't talk rubbish! I have a works seat in a Peugeot 406 you know!

[DonJippo]

Don't talk rubbish! I have a works seat in a Peugeot 406 you know!

Like I said...a prime example of being available to all with enough cash... :p :

[Daniel]

Like I said...a prime example of being available to all with enough cash... :p :
I borrowed the money for the car from my dad too ;)

[Brother John]

He Don, with which car we will drive in Finland? Please not a C4!!!! :s mokin:

[DonJippo]

He Don, with which car we will drive in Finland? Please not a C4!!!! :s mokin:

I have heard a rumour about VW Transporter but don't know if that's true ... ;)

[Brother John]

I have heard a rumour about VW Transporter but don't know if that's true ... ;)
:p : that one smell like cigarettes and i didn't drive sideways. :D

[Dilek]

Dakar is move to Argentina and Chile for 2009..http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/world_rally/7239355.stm

[DonJippo]

Aris Vovos will drive one of the Munchi's Fords in Acropolis.

[fastboy]

Barry Clark has got the funding together for 2 rounds in the Munchis team plus the 1 round for winning the fiesta championship last year.

[SubaruNorway]

Heard it says in autosport magazine that SWRT are changing dampers from BOS to Reiger for Mexico.

[Tomi]

AFF and others, dont forget to check out Jouhkis column in the new VM, page 45, interesting reading :)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Lots of great news from Munchis!!!
Im looking forward to see Vovos in Munchis Focus

[dimviii]

me too urabus :D

[c4]

See Rally Ireland has been ranked (by the FIA) 2nd best event of 2007 behind Rally Finland. Not bad for a debut event.
http://www.rallyireland.org/news.aspx?article=211

[Tomi]

See Rally Ireland has been ranked (by the FIA) 2nd best event of 2007 behind Rally Finland. Not bad for a debut event.
http://www.rallyireland.org/news.aspx?article=211

Congratz to the Irish, well done. Does anyone know where the full list is?

[A.F.F.]

AFF and others, dont forget to check out Jouhkis column in the new VM, page 45, interesting reading :)

Cotcha. Cheers Tomi.

[Tomi]

Cotcha. Cheers Tomi.
;)

[Woodeye]

;)

You mind sharing what Jouhki said? I don't have the newest VM and I'm too poor to buy one.. :D

[Woodeye]

Aris Vovos will drive one of the Munchi's Fords in Acropolis.

Even though this might be little nasty, N.O.T, do you think Vovos will look like a fresh puppy or like a hm... sick dog like you prefer to say?

[Tomi]

You mind sharing what Jouhki said? I don't have the newest VM and I'm too poor to buy one.. :D

it was about his opinions what route drivers who want reach the top of the sport should take, im too lazy to translate, but you can go to the library to read it :)

[GruppoB]

derek ringer to codrive for pastrana?

[DonJippo]

derek ringer to codrive for pastrana?

Really why? Where did you hear this?

[N.O.T]

Even though this might be little nasty, N.O.T, do you think Vovos will look like a fresh puppy or like a hm... sick dog like you prefer to say?

Well Vovos never considered to be something special by people who don't have the natinalistic hat on.... he has nothing to offer to the sport at this level he is just a rich guy having fun, i don't mind if people like him exist for 1-2 rallies as he does.....people who consistently want to ridilucule themselves are the ones i don't like and especially the ones who try to persuade thet they have something to deliver....

To be honest i wouldn't like to see vovos take an official M2 team car because that would be a waste of seat. I think if he manages to ahead of the group N guys it will be good.

Bare also in mind that recently he recovered from an accident that almost took his life away so we have to wait and see if that affected him also.

[COD]

Well Vovos never considered to be something special by people who don't have the natinalistic hat on.... he has nothing to offer to the sport at this level he is just a rich guy having fun, i don't mind if people like him exist for 1-2 rallies as he does.....people who consistently want to ridilucule themselves are the ones i don't like and especially the ones who try to persuade thet they have something to deliver....

To be honest i wouldn't like to see vovos take an official M2 team car because that would be a waste of seat. I think if he manages to ahead of the group N guys it will be good.

Bare also in mind that recently he recovered from an accident that almost took his life away so we have to wait and see if that affected him also.
So he has the money, but he is good at his level. Not many drivers doing a few WRC events/ year can make it to the points. There are many who do all of them (like Wilson and reutenbach) that can hardlyly get same points than he does. He is the best Greece has offered for WRC for a lng time so whats your problem

[N.O.T]

I think if munchis has a 2 cars for the acropolis it would be a waste to give one to vovos if it has 3 then its ok.....

As for the points, with the current situation even rautenbach can score some....is that the point ???

[atsiotras79]

He is the best Greece has offered for WRC for a long time so whats your problem

+1. Nobody said that Vovos will set the time clocks on fire!
He is the top Greek driver, like it or not though!
IFs cannot be considered!
And instead of the 2nd Munchi's seat be empty or Perez Companc in it, I prefer Vovos in it! And I am sure it will be better than Al Quassimi and Rautenbach!

p.s: Everybody would prefer Kopecky, Duval, Hanninen, Salo etc in that seat!!!!!!!!!!

[L5->R5/CR]

Really why? Where did you hear this?



Travis's American co-driver is stepping down from rallying to focus on personal life issues.

There is a PR floating around announcing it and Ringer is entered with Travis on the entry list for the Rally in the 100 Acre Wood next weekend...

[Rally Hokkaido]

Congratz to the Irish, well done. Does anyone know where the full list is?
I don't think it is made public by FIA, just sent to WRC organisers.

[DonJippo]

Travis's American co-driver is stepping down from rallying to focus on personal life issues.

There is a PR floating around announcing it and Ringer is entered with Travis on the entry list for the Rally in the 100 Acre Wood next weekend...

Well this PR is not floating to my way ;) Thanks for the update, hopefully these personal life issues are not anything to be worried about.

[DonJippo]

I don't think it is made public by FIA, just sent to WRC organisers.

Pity, would be nice to see the bottom of the list...bet there are some surprises there...

[A.F.F.]

p.s: Everybody would prefer Kopecky, Duval, Hanninen, Salo etc in that seat!!!!!!!!!!

Salo would be awesome. Too bad he isn't even planning to step on an international scene of rallying (as far as I know) :mark:

[Rally Hokkaido]

In the last few issues of Best Car - a magazine sold here that specialises in scoops of new models there have been articles about two new models.
The first is an Impreza (Sti version) with a non-turbo 2-litre engine producing about 200ps in current 5-door bodyshape. It will debut at Geneva Motor Show this year.
The second is an unnamed Toyota 3-door coupe that will go on sale September next year. In the first collaboration between the two companies, it will use the same engine and drivetrain (i.e 4WD) as the Subaru model! The magazine speculates that it will form the basis of Toyota's return to WRC.

This raises a technical question for me. If either of the above cars were to be built as S2000, how would the Sadev or other spec. gearboxes be used, as both cars use a longitudinal engine/trans arrangement not the normal east-west of other front-wheel drive cars?

[urabus-denoS2000]

In the last few issues of Best Car - a magazine sold here that specialises in scoops of new models there have been articles about two new models.
The first is an Impreza (Sti version) with a non-turbo 2-litre engine producing about 200ps in current 5-door bodyshape. It will debut at Geneva Motor Show this year.
The second is an unnamed Toyota 3-door coupe that will go on sale September next year. In the first collaboration between the two companies, it will use the same engine and drivetrain (i.e 4WD) as the Subaru model! The magazine speculates that it will form the basis of Toyota's return to WRC.

This raises a technical question for me. If either of the above cars were to be built as S2000, how would the Sadev or other spec. gearboxes be used, as both cars use a longitudinal engine/trans arrangement not the normal east-west of other front-wheel drive cars?

True but with some wrong infos
1)It is not an unnamed model,it is a new Celica GT4
2)It is developed in cooperation with Subaru,but it has a 2 liter TURBO engine with about 300 BHP with 4WD
3)Why would they make an S2000 version of it when they already have 2 cars,the Corolla and the Auris in S2000 versions.
It would be great for N4...

[RallyCat909]

Travis's American co-driver is stepping down from rallying to focus on personal life issues.

There is a PR floating around announcing it and Ringer is entered with Travis on the entry list for the Rally in the 100 Acre Wood next weekend...


Id like to hear more about this as I will be at that rally. Seems quite far fetched though.

[L5->R5/CR]

Well this PR is not floating to my way ;) Thanks for the update, hopefully these personal life issues are not anything to be worried about.

I would have sworn there was an official announcement PR but I can't remember where I saw it at the moment.

So instead...
Christians announcement that he will be stepping away from the team: http://specialstage.com/forums/showpost.php?p=245272&postcount=4

Travis and Derek on the Entry list for the Rally in the 100 Acre Wood:
http://www.rally-america.com/event.100AW.2008.php?section=entry_list

The team brought in Derek Duancey in 2006 to help manage the team. They also brought in Jakke Hokannen (sp, Garde's former navie) in 2006 when Christian wasn't available to co-drive at a rally that was added to the schedule late. Bringing in various people with former WRC experience when it is deemed necessary is part for the course.

[GruppoB]

The team brought in Derek Duancey in 2006 to help manage the team. They also brought in Jakke Hokannen (sp, Garde's former navie) in 2006 when Christian wasn't available to co-drive at a rally that was added to the schedule late. Bringing in various people with former WRC experience when it is deemed necessary is part for the course.

During recce I asked Jakke if had any advice for a first time codriver.

gave me some great advice followed by "DONT BE TOO HARD ON YOURSELF"

I also applied for the job of Pastrana's next nav knowing full well I'd be declined but what they hey it worth a shot =)

[Brother John]

As from this year in IRC a separate cup is set up for two-wheel-operated cars.
2WD the cup supports private - and factory teams.
Irc-organisator euro sport Events have remained not deaf for the question of a lot drivers with two-wheel-operated a car to a separate competition.
The answer is 2WD the cup.
Of 10 the rally's which can be charged, the bests 7 results are held back.

source: PITSTOP.TV

[Mirek]

Here You have it from the official IRC site ;)
http://www.ircseries.com/html/readnews.asp?id=744

[PLuto]

And here you have it in article, which was written three months ago (but only in czech language):

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5542

[Helstar]

Aava + Rautenbach fusion ?
Don't know what they mean naming a 'fusion' though :p both are going to use a C4 in the next rallies, maybe they want to create a proper manu team able to score points ?

source: http://www.racingworld.it/rally/notizia.php?idtitolo=4809

[Bjorn240]

Well this PR is not floating to my way ;) Thanks for the update, hopefully these personal life issues are not anything to be worried about.
No, no, just need to focus more on my career. If I were 25, it might be different, but at 31, I am too old to bet on being a professional co-driver. Especially living in America.

I have truly enjoyed my time in the sport though. Even though rallying isn't what it used to be, it is still the greatest motorsport in the world. I will carry many happy memories (and a few heart-stopping moments) with me forever.

You'll probably find me co-driving a Volvo Original Cup car sometime in Sweden in the near future. I figure that's about how fast I can read notes in Swedish any more. :)

[Tomi]

You'll probably find me co-driving a Volvo Original Cup car sometime in Sweden in the near future. I figure that's about how fast I can read notes in Swedish any more. :)

Grattis, good move :)

[L5->R5/CR]

No, no, just need to focus more on my career. If I were 25, it might be different, but at 31, I am too old to bet on being a professional co-driver. Especially living in America.

I have truly enjoyed my time in the sport though. Even though rallying isn't what it used to be, it is still the greatest motorsport in the world. I will carry many happy memories (and a few heart-stopping moments) with me forever.

You'll probably find me co-driving a Volvo Original Cup car sometime in Sweden in the near future. I figure that's about how fast I can read notes in Swedish any more. :)



My apologies for not making that more accurately conveyed here Christian. Irregardless, the lack of Christian "Grizzly Adams" Edstrom will be felt at nationals for some time.

[L5->R5/CR]

By the way, here is the "PR":
http://www.specialstage.com/?p=291


Former WRC Champion Derek Ringer to Sit as Co-Driver for Travis Pastrana

Subaru Rally Team USA driver Travis Pastrana will team up with veteran co-driver and former World Rally Champion Derek Ringer to contest this weekend’s 100 Acre Wood Rally, Round 2 of the 2008 Rally America National Championship. The switch comes after Christian Edstrom, Pastrana’s long time co-driver, had recently announced a sabbatical from rallying to focus on his career and family.

Ringer, a professional co-driver since 1988 is best known for his success co-driving for World Rally Championship (WRC) legend Colin McRae in the early nineties. The duo won the 1995 World Rally Championship together with the Subaru World Rally Team. Ringer’s other major successes include winning the 1993 FIA Asia Pacific Rally Championship and British Rally Championship in ‘91, ‘92 and ‘98. Ringer now resides with his wife and son in Catalunya, Spain, where he has been involved in organizing rallies.

“I am looking forward expectantly to coming to the USA for this event with Travis and Subaru Rally Team USA. I met the team at the 2007 Wales Rally GB [Great Britain] and was very impressed with the spirit within the team,” said Ringer. “Travis is obviously an extremely talented competitor, and if after this initial event we decide to do more together, then I hope I can help him to reach his full potential. The impression I have is that the Rally America National Championship is moving forward in a very progressive manner and thus I am interested to experience this. It looks like it could be a lot of serious fun!”

The 24 year-old Pastrana is looking forward to partnering with the veteran Ringer. “It should be very interesting to sit with Derek; from what I know of him he is very professional and has huge amounts of experience. It’s an amazing opportunity for me,” explained Pastrana.

Christian Edstrom, Pastrana’s outgoing co-driver, has worked together with the reigning two-time Rally America National Champion since the very beginning of Pastrana’s career. The pair have dominated rallying in the USA over the past two seasons with their BFGoodrich Tires-shod Subaru Impreza WRX STI, winning the series championship in 2006 and 2007. Edstrom has decided to take a break from the hectic travel demands of rallying in order to focus on his career and family life.

“Partnering Travis has been fantastic. To go from our first rally together in a PGT [Production GT] car to placing 5th in the PWRC [Production World Rally Championship] round in Mexico has been a dream come true for me. I will always be grateful to Travis, Subaru of America and Vermont SportsCar for the opportunity,” said Edstrom. “Though I’m sad to be leaving the co-driving seat, I’ve gotten to a point where I really need to focus on my career, and I felt that splitting my time between co-driving at this level and a professional career would have compromised my performance in both. I think Travis has found a great partner in Derek Ringer and I wish both of them, and the entire team the best of luck. The team is world-class, so I’m sure Derek will fit in from the very first moment.” Subaru Rally Team USA is proudly supported by Subaru of America, Inc., Subaru Tecnica International (STI), Subaru Performance Tuning (SPT), DC Shoes, BFGoodrich Tires, Boost Mobile, RECARO, Motul, PIAA, Exedy, Greddy, Alpinestars and Vermont SportsCar.

For Subaru Rally Team USA team news and exclusive photo galleries please visit http://www.subaru.com/rally

[Motorsportfun]

Aava + Rautenbach fusion ?
Don't know what they mean naming a 'fusion' though :p both are going to use a C4 in the next rallies, maybe they want to create a proper manu team able to score points ?

source: http://www.racingworld.it/rally/notizia.php?idtitolo=4809

I mean a merger between Rautenbach and Aava's programmes in order to create an M2-Team to register before the middle of march ;) :D

[N.O.T]

If they allow Rautenbach to use a C4 i don't think that citroen can keep up building these things....and its a pity for aava to use a xsara.

[alleskids]

I mean a merger between Rautenbach and Aava's programmes in order to create an M2-Team to register before the middle of march ;) :D

A MT2 team has to do 10 rallies with 2 cars. Aava has only left 9 rounds of his 10 rounds program. so to score points as MT2, they have to find an extra round, or a 3rd driver.

[bluuford]

Last year there was OMV Kronos Citroen WRT. Stohl did all events and Carlsson did 3+1 events(the last one didn't count for him but probably did count for the team. And Duval did 3 events for OMV Kronos. So that is 7 events. But I think that if one driver does more than ten events, then those additional events count as a second driver events?

If I assume correctly, then we can say that if Rautenbach does all the events, then Aava does not need to do all ten events for the team? 9 for Aava and 11 for Conrad?

But I read the story where Citroen was a little bit angry at Rautenbach, because the info about his 2008 drive leaked to the Eurosport and as a protest they decided to forget their intentions to compete with two teams.

[DonJippo]

But I read the story where Citroen was a little bit angry at Rautenbach, because the info about his 2008 drive leaked to the Eurosport and as a protest they decided to forget their intentions to compete with two teams.

Sounds a bit of an excuse to me...

[Buzz Lightyear]

Sounds a bit of an excuse to me...

I think if Conrad keeps paying for all the scrappers, Citroen will be happy enough. He is keeping their men busy, and making Citroen Sport loads of lolly.

[ste898]

Instead of wasting C4's on Rautenbach, why dont they sell 1 to a driver in Ireland in 2008..

[Gard]

Instead of wasting C4's on Rautenbach, why dont they sell 1 to a driver in Ireland in 2008..

You will probably have to sell Ireland, to get the that kind of money ;)

[Viking]

[quote="bluuford"]
If I assume correctly, then we can say that if Rautenbach does all the events, then Aava does not need to do all ten events for the team? 9 for Aava and 11 for Conrad?

QUOTE]

Rules:
"e) A Manufacturer Team must inform the FIA of the names of the driver/s nominated for the purpose of scoring points no later than 5 weeks prior to the start of the Rally concerned.
f) A Manufacturer Team undertakes to take part in a minimum of 10 Championship rallies, which it has nominated with two (2) cars."

Last date for entry Manufacturer Team 2008 is Monday 31/3 17:00,
in that case they have to run the last 10 rallys in the calendar with 2 cars.

[bluuford]

Rules:
"e) A Manufacturer Team must inform the FIA of the names of the driver/s nominated for the purpose of scoring points no later than 5 weeks prior to the start of the Rally concerned.
f) A Manufacturer Team undertakes to take part in a minimum of 10 Championship rallies, which it has nominated with two (2) cars."

Last date for entry Manufacturer Team 2008 is Monday 31/3 17:00,
in that case they have to run the last 10 rallys in the calendar with 2 cars.[/QUOTE]

I still dont understand how it was possible for OMV to compete as a M2Team. Last year there was the same rule.

[Daniel]

If I assume correctly, then we can say that if Rautenbach does all the events, then Aava does not need to do all ten events for the team? 9 for Aava and 11 for Conrad?

QUOTE]

Rules:
"e) A Manufacturer Team must inform the FIA of the names of the driver/s nominated for the purpose of scoring points no later than 5 weeks prior to the start of the Rally concerned.
f) A Manufacturer Team undertakes to take part in a minimum of 10 Championship rallies, which it has nominated with two (2) cars."

Last date for entry Manufacturer Team 2008 is Monday 31/3 17:00,
in that case they have to run the last 10 rallys in the calendar with 2 cars.

How many C4 shells do Citroen have prepared? :laugh:

[Viking]

I still dont understand how it was possible for OMV to compete as a M2Team. Last year there was the same rule.

Me neither :confused: maybe F1A ment that their own exclusion of Carlson was force majeure for Kronos?

"2.4 Any registered Manufacturer or Manufacturer Team entered in the Championship that does not take part in a Championship event it has
nominated will be fined the sum of 225,000 € per event missed and will no longer be included in the classification of the Championship
A case of force majeure may be considered by the World Motor Sport Council."

[Xsara Fan]

How many C4 shells do Citroen have prepared? :laugh:

For the moment - 14 :)

[Jaanus]

FIA considered excluding Carlsson as force majeure because he could not enter any more rallys, as they had banned him for the rest of the season.
That is the reason OMV was not fined, but any team who wants to run for Manu points this year must enter 10 events with 2 cars unless force majeure happens again.

[DonJippo]

I still dont understand how it was possible for OMV to compete as a M2Team. Last year there was the same rule.

FIA and Kronos negotiated an agreement which allowed Kronos to continue as Manufacturer Team last year, if I remember it correctly Kronos had to pay entry fees for both cars even though there was only one participating plus there might have been something else in the agreement that I can't remember right now. And like Jaanus wrote it was considered as force majoure by FIA.

[PLuto]

Federico Villagra was driving ex-factory Fiat! More HERE (http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic.php?f=24&p=1866#p1866) :D

[Motorsportfun]

Sounds a bit of an excuse to me...

I think so. About Aava's 9 remaining events, it seems the estonian's going to a 11-events season with some "helps"... we'll see! :D

[alleskids]

Sordo got the same kind of help when in 2006. Citroen Sport found a way to prepare the car for less money, so Sordo could do more rallies with his budget. Aava will get the same treatment, because Citroen Sport sees a future champion in him, like Ford picked up Latvalla, and managed to squeeze more rallies out of his tight budget :) .

[Lalo]

Federico Villagra was driving ex-factory Fiat! More HERE (http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic.php?f=24&p=1866#p1866) :D

Lol! He would still be champion here against Lancers and Imprezas with that thing!

[Finni]

Sordo got the same kind of help when in 2006. Citroen Sport found a way to prepare the car for less money, so Sordo could do more rallies with his budget. Aava will get the same treatment, because Citroen Sport sees a future champion in him, like Ford picked up Latvalla, and managed to squeeze more rallies out of his tight budget :) .

Ava scarcely is potential future champion. He was good but not special in jwrc. Last year his times were nowhere near to Hänninen with Mitsu wrc.

[HaCo]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/52428214_5a3e556744.jpg
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/23/geneva-08-preview-mitsubishi-prototype-s-unmasked/

[Shrike]

That thing is uglier than the new subaru. I like it.

[N]

What are they thinking, I would never want such a car, I would get a sedan version of the Lancer, but not this thing.

[Mirek]

This one looks pretty ugly. And what's more it doesn't look shorter than Evo (Evo X is much shorter than standard Lancer sedan)...

[leno]

impreza is miss comparing with this lancer

[Donney]

I like that Mitsu.

[Roy]

It look like we have a new whale.... I say not 307, I say whale. Look at the front. I like that. But that is the only thing what I like of the car.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mitsubishi-lancer-sportback-concept/659337/

[Ghostwalker]

It look like we have a new whale.... I say not 307, I say whale. Look at the front. I like that. But that is the only thing what I like of the car.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mitsubishi-lancer-sportback-concept/659337/

IMO the front is an Audi rip-off. they just changedthe shape sligthly

compare the Mits front with this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/05-07_Audi_A4.jpg/800px-05-07_Audi_A4.jpg

[Mirek]

And compare to this one...
http://www.mitsubishiclub.cz/graphics/gallery/full/231_vr4.jpg

[Daniel]

IMO the front is an Audi rip-off. they just changedthe shape sligthly

compare the Mits front with this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/05-07_Audi_A4.jpg/800px-05-07_Audi_A4.jpg

Just because it has a chrome surround for the grille it's an audi ripoff? :erm:

That's like saying the Audi is a ripoff of the 406 because it has 2 headlights.

[Lalo]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/52428214_5a3e556744.jpg
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/23/geneva-08-preview-mitsubishi-prototype-s-unmasked/

Wasn't it suppoused to be a sedane? What the hell is that??

All WRCars are turning into that shape. Does it brings any type of advantage on the driving of is it just because the new factory cars tendance is that one?

Creepy...

[Daniel]

What the hell is that??

That's what's called a "hatchback"

[A.F.F.]

It looks like two different cars compined. Imagine that coming closer to your rear mirrow and when you let it pass by.... disappointed !!!

[Zico]

I think the new Evo saloon looks quite good but that? It looks like a cut'n'shut of 2 different models. Why bother to bring this version of the Evo out while their oponent Subaru wont give us a saloon version of the new Impreza? Both of them have lost the plot !

And do that have any intentions on rallying it?

[pantealex]

Wasn't it suppoused to be a sedane? What the hell is that??

All WRCars are turning into that shape. Does it brings any type of advantage on the driving of is it just because the new factory cars tendance is that one?

Creepy...
There is 2 types of new lancer: 4door sedan and 5door hatchback, subaru also have 4door sedan type of new impreza, but they do not bring it to europe. Evo X RS is 4door sedan, but GRS version could be 5door hatchback! RS-version will have "homologation" in april and GRS in end of december. So in this year we will see only 4door models in rallyroads.

[Mirek]

pantealex: I would say those are practicaly three cars. Standard 4 door sedan is longer (more than 4,6m) than Evo X sedan (about 4,5m, almost the same as Evo 9) ;)

[Daniel]

I think the new Evo saloon looks quite good but that? It looks like a cut'n'shut of 2 different models. Why bother to bring this version of the Evo out while their oponent Subaru wont give us a saloon version of the new Impreza? Both of them have lost the plot !

And do that have any intentions on rallying it?
AFAIK they do a saloon Impreza Turbo (WRX) or whatever it's all called but it won't be sold here in the UK at least there are no plans to sell it here at present.

[urabus-denoS2000]

So they will homologate technicaly the same 2 versions in group N????

[Daniel]

]pantealex: I would say those are practicaly three cars. Standard 4 door sedan is longer (more than 4,6m) than Evo X sedan (about 4,5m, almost the same as Evo 9) ;)
The Evo hasn't always been built on the standard Lancer bodyshell. For instance in Australia I don't think there has ever been a non-evo Lancer that shares it's bodyshape (minus spoilers, bumpers, arches and so on) with the Evo.

Edit: I take that back. Looks like the current Lancer in Australia uses the same exterior panels (minus arches, spoilers, scoops and such) as the Evo X :) The difference in length could be down to bumpers couldn't it? :)

[Lalo]

Any news on the new Impreza? Has it been confirmed a debut date in the SWRT?

[urabus-denoS2000]

That Lancer Evo will have a 2-liter turbo engine with 240 BHP

[Roy]

IMO the front is an Audi rip-off. they just changedthe shape sligthly

compare the Mits front with this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/05-07_Audi_A4.jpg/800px-05-07_Audi_A4.jpg

You are right. This looks very the same. It is new trend in car making(?)
I am not technical, not at all. Is this front only for show, or can they have advantage in speed with
that?

[Daniel]

You are right. This looks very the same. It is new trend in car making(?)
That and having 4 wheels. I hear that's a fashion in car manufacturing....

[Roy]

That and having 4 wheels. I hear that's a fashion in car manufacturing....

Ohh.. I have only a bicycle. How do I know? :)

[Daniel]

Ohh.. I have only a bicycle. How do I know? :)
Just saying :) A lot of stuff in cars is the same. Doesn't mean they've made a deliberate effort to copy :)

[Tomi]

Ohh.. I have only a bicycle. How do I know? :)

Is the fift black one from the left at Amsterdam Central Station yours?

[Roy]

Is the fift black one from the left at Amsterdam Central Station yours?

You stole mine isn't it?

[Brother John]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/n/d/2008/02/28/fiat-liebaeugelt-mit-wm-einstieg/index.html

Translate it your self you Lazy rally freaks :rolleyes: with, http://babelfish.altavista.com/ :D

[DonJippo]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/n/d/2008/02/28/fiat-liebaeugelt-mit-wm-einstieg/index.html


If that all will come true then it's really good but I doubt the numbers will be that straight forward...well let's see and hope the best.

[OldF]

If that all will come true then it's really good but I doubt the numbers will be that straight forward...well let's see and hope the best.

But at least I think the figures are more accurate compare to those that are estimated by FIA.

[Tom206wrc]

What about Manfred Stohl ??? :confused:

I thought he should have a drive in a Focus WRC in Argentina... :mark:

[Roy]

What about Manfred Stohl ??? :confused:

I thought he should have a drive in a Focus WRC in Argentina... :mark:

Stohl has no money. NO money. he can't pay. No Nothing. Clear?

[consti]

biggest problem is that omv dropped it's support

[Roy]

And Red Bull don't support 'flying' old man.

[dumb]

Lithuanian driver Deividas Jocius bought Citroen Xsara WRC.This season he will compete in few rounds.
http://www.autorally.lt/news.php?extend.364

[Tom206wrc]

Lithuanian driver Deividas Jocius bought Citroen Xsara WRC.This season he will compete in few rounds.
http://www.autorally.lt/news.php?extend.364



Interesting :)

[alleskids]

It's on old Kronos car? Because of the blue. Luckely he did not buy a third hand Xsara WRC, hardly used, only some minor damage, from an African driver :) .

[DonJippo]

Luckely he did not buy a third hand Xsara WRC, hardly used, only some minor damage, from an African driver :) .

LOL :p

Now who could that be? ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

LOL :p

Now who could that be? ;)

Yes,who could that be....
maybe someone who got RAUTENBACHED a lot...
I dont have a clue..... ;) ;) ;)

[dumb]

It's on old Kronos car? Because of the blue. Luckely he did not buy a third hand Xsara WRC, hardly used, only some minor damage, from an African driver :) .

Yes yes.It is an old KRONOS car.Loeb used this car in 2006 season.

[Xsara Fan]

It`s ex-David Garcia & Claudio Alvarez car. Chassis number T432.
http://rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrca&md=details&id=27659

Built as Xsara WRC in 27.02.2004.
In 2005 reregistered as 583 DEX 78.
In 2006 reregistered as 831 DPT 78.
In 2007 sold to 'Red Citroen Las Palmas', reregistered as S 4351 BBP.

History:

2004
Rally Finland / Loeb-Elena / 4 position
Rally Catalunya / Loeb-Elena / Retired (oil sump)

2005
Rally New Zealand / Loeb-Elena / 1 position
Rally Acropolis / Loeb-Elena / 1 position
Rally de France - Tour de Corse / Loeb-Elena / 1 position
Rally Catalunya / Loeb-Elena / 1 position

2006
Rally Monte Carlo / Loeb-Elena / 2 position
Swedish Rally / Loeb-Elena / 2 position
Rally d'Italia Sardegna / Loeb-Elena / 1 position
Rally Acropolis / Loeb-Elena / 2 position
Rally Japan / Loeb-Elena / 1 position
Telstra Rally Australia / Pons-del Barrio / 4 position
Propecia Rally New Zealand / Pons-del Barrio / 4 position

2007
Rally Ciudad de Telde / Garcia-Guerra / 2 position
Subida a Moya / Alvarez / Retired, accident (heavy 'rautenbached'!!!) ;)

[dumb]

Thanks for the info.

[Xsara Fan]

Thanks for the info.

You welcome! Could you tell me, where and when will this Xsara WRC start this year?

[dumb]

Now I can't.He said that he will compete in few WRC rallies.This month will be official presentation and car will be in Lithuania,but there is some info that Xsara will be keeping near Paris so I think Deividas won't start in Lithuania with Citroen and there is one fact that he has two EVO9 :) When I know about his chosen events I will write here.

[Xsara Fan]

Now I can't.He said that he will compete in few WRC rallies.This month will be official presentation and car will be in Lithuania,but there is some info that Xsara will be keeping near Paris so I think Deividas won't start in Lithuania with Citroen and there is one fact that he has two EVO9 :) When I know about his chosen events I will write here.

Thanks!

[dumb]

Deividas Jocius said in interview that his budget is not very big for now.He has money to start in two rallies this season.He said that his starts will be at the middle of WRC championship.One gravel event and another rally in Corsica.As I know,Deividas is not very good on tarmac.He doesn't like black road :)

[DonJippo]

Deividas Jocius said in interview that his budget is not very big for now.He has money to start in two rallies this season.He said that his starts will be at the middle of WRC championship.One gravel event and another rally in Corsica.As I know,Deividas is not very good on tarmac.He doesn't like black road :)

he bought a Xsara WRC but don't have budget to run it in more than two events. Why he bought it then? Imho it should have been better to buy a cheaper car and run more events.

[consti]

he bought a Xsara WRC but don't have budget to run it in more than two events. Why he bought it then? Imho it should have been better to buy a cheaper car and run more events.
wouldn't it also have been cheaper to rent a car?
i don't see a reason in buying a car and then having a too little budget to actually go and use it...

[dumb]

I don't know.This was an interview with him.I translated most interesting info.Maybe in next season he will run more events.I think we must to wait official presentation in this or next month and we will see who is who.

[Brother John]

Bettega step´s in JWRC with the Renault Clio R3. He will be already take part in rally Jordanien with the new car from TRT.

[Helstar]

Bettega step´s in JWRC with the Renault Clio R3. He will be already take part in rally Jordanien with the new car from TRT.
There is an interview (in italian) on racingworld.it and it describes very well the situation in WRC right now... either you bring a lot of $$$ or nobody listen you.

http://www.racingworld.it/rally/notizia.php?idtitolo=4899&url=jwrc-alessandro-bettega-si-e-iscritto-al-mondiale-junior

[N.O.T]

and in the case of bettega you need A LOT for a team to sacrifice a car like that....

[dumb]

Bettega step´s in JWRC with the Renault Clio R3. He will be already take part in rally Jordanien with the new car from TRT.

Nice.Another strong driver in JWRC.But ofcourse it is a little bit pitty.Without money in WRC.You are practical...nothing.Sad.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Okay, here's a question as Jordan just announce a 40km stage (final one of the event along a river)..

And the whole Jordanian rally is 350m below sea level, does that mean the cars will have more power? :p

haha as when the cars go up into high altitude, correct me if I am wrong, they begin or loose power overall!? So though it might be a silly question I'm still wanting to ask it!!

[tmx]

Maybe, I don't know the technical stuff. But with a 3minute google job, I wiki'ed the Dead Sea and due to being low, has high barometric/atmosphere pressure, so there will be plenty of oxygen. If you bring a bottle water containing air at high altitude like 2000m, to a place like the DeadSea, the air pressure will crush that bottle having low pressure inside. I think this is pretty interesting how it'll influence the car performance if anyone else care to explain for us.

I don't want to bring in any politic, or maybe a bit ignorant of Jordan, but I can't help but feel a bit worried since this rally being a big event, is taken in a nation that is surrounded by other nations that are current at war/has terrorism activity.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Nah should be fine

[Mirek]

More atmospheric pressure is reasonably good for the engine but there are also cons in Jordan as probably very low air humidity which lower the enigine output.

[SubaruNorway]

Rumours from finish YLE tv that Märtin is doing Finland?

[wwbroe]

That would be great news, hope they are right and we will see Markko in Finland this year. :D

[Tomi]

He wont drive in Finland.

[wwbroe]

He wont drive in Finland.

Tomi, you seem to be very sure about him not competing in Finland, do you have any more information ? Will he maybe competing in other rally? Tnx

[Tomi]

Tomi, you seem to be very sure about him not competing in Finland, do you have any more information ? Will he maybe competing in other rally? Tnx

Not more information, but he has not been driving for some years now and our rally is not exactly the place where to start after a big accident. Subaru will have 2 cars in the entry so they need no info about the car either.

[sindroms]

So, could anybody ;) to translate it?

http://www.rally.ee/?a=a009&b=6397

[Jaanus]

So, could anybody ;) to translate it?

http://www.rally.ee/?a=a009&b=6397

Markko's manager Paul Turner confirms that Markko will not drive in any wrc event.

[SubaruNorway]

Not more information, but he has not been driving for some years now and our rally is not exactly the place where to start after a big accident. Subaru will have 2 cars in the entry so they need no info about the car either.

He drove in Portugal and Cork 20 in Ireland and the show in Italy last autum though(don't remember the name)

[Tomi]

He drove in Portugal and Cork 20 in Ireland and the show in Italy last autum though(don't remember the name)

so what about that?

[wwbroe]

He drove in Portugal and Cork 20 in Ireland and the show in Italy last autum though(don't remember the name)

I think it was the memorial Bettega ;)

[cali]

Not more information, but he has not been driving for some years now and our rally is not exactly the place where to start after a big accident. Subaru will have 2 cars in the entry so they need no info about the car either.
It's not about Finland, it's just a case where stubborn Märtin doesn't want to drive any WRC events. Rumours say that SWRT is interested of Märtin's drive, but seems that Markko isn't willing to do so. I'm sorry, but nothing to do with Finland this time. Nice patriotism though :s mash:

[Tomi]

It's not about Finland, it's just a case where stubborn Märtin doesn't want to drive any WRC events. Rumours say that SWRT is interested of Märtin's drive, but seems that Markko isn't willing to do so. I'm sorry, but nothing to do with Finland this time. Nice patriotism though :s mash:

It has nothing to do with patriotism, I think he does good not to come, anyway he would be badly beaten.

[SubaruNorway]

so what about that?

You just made it sound like he hasen't driven since the accident

[L5->R5/CR]

It has nothing to do with patriotism, I think he does good not to come, anyway he would be badly beaten.



Badly beaten by whom?

Badly beaten by Mikko, JML, Sebastien, and possibly the Subaru regulars? Probably...

But badly beaten by Henning, or Gigi, or Ava, or Rautenbach, or Mattie Wilson or Dani? I doubt it.

I'd give Markko a 50/50 chance at scoring drivers points if he were to really want to do Finland. He'd be 5-15 minutes off the winner's time, but that is still good enough to beat most of the gentlemen and pay drivers...

Lets not forget that Markko has been doing plenty of driving if not entering events, nor the fact that he was able to win the event, against Bosse, against Petter (when Petter was a true threat), and against Loeb. If he wanted to, he could do well enough, so the question is his desire, not ability...

[Tomi]

You just made it sound like he hasen't driven since the accident

On top level he has not, all past drivers now and then get payed to drive in small events, its just a publicity stunts nothing else, same like Grönhoolm drives the 0 car in Portugal.

[Tomi]

Badly beaten by whom?

Badly beaten by Mikko, JML, Sebastien, and possibly the Subaru regulars? Probably...

But badly beaten by Henning, or Gigi, or Ava, or Rautenbach, or Mattie Wilson or Dani? I doubt it.

I'd give Markko a 50/50 chance at scoring drivers points if he were to really want to do Finland. He'd be 5-15 minutes off the winner's time, but that is still good enough to beat most of the gentlemen and pay drivers...

Lets not forget that Markko has been doing plenty of driving if not entering events, nor the fact that he was able to win the event, against Bosse, against Petter (when Petter was a true threat), and against Loeb. If he wanted to, he could do well enough, so the question is his desire, not ability...

I would add Gigi in the group who would beat him, I think it shows that Markko has a normal size ego and nothing to proove by not driving in WRC.

[Woodeye]

I don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already, but according to Finnish YLE, Grönholm will drive 5 ERC races this year with Ford Fiesta... :)

I think I'll switch to ERC, lot more to see than in WRC currently, and the cars are wicked in the series.. :)

[wwbroe]

I don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already, but according to Finnish YLE, Grönholm will drive 5 ERC races this year with Ford Fiesta... :)


Are you sure about this info, if it is true it would be great news. :D

[SubaruNorway]

On top level he has not, all past drivers now and then get payed to drive in small events, its just a publicity stunts nothing else, same like Grönhoolm drives the 0 car in Portugal.

Tought Ireland was at decent level though? Im not gona start an argue, just wanted to point out that he has drivens since the accident :p

[cali]

It has nothing to do with patriotism, I think he does good not to come, anyway he would be badly beaten.

blah blah blah...and ofcourse anywhere else he would do fine, but not in Finland??
sometimes it is sad to see yor biased opinions :)

[cali]

It has nothing to do with patriotism, I think he does good not to come, anyway he would be badly beaten.

blah blah blah...and ofcourse anywhere else he would do fine, but not in Finland??
sometimes it is sad to see your biased opinions :)

like i said before, he is not willing to drive - he wasn't right after the accident nor he will be now. Btw, is it just an accidental case or Subie has been doing far better now, after Markko joined them? (i know, it's getting bit offtopic)

[Tomi]

blah blah blah...and ofcourse anywhere else he would do fine, but not in Finland??
sometimes it is sad to see yor biased opinions :)

same propably everywhere, same would be for other drivers who has been years out of the WRC too, not only Markko.
No idea how good the new car was before he joined, or how good or bad it is now.

[Woodeye]

Are you sure about this info, if it is true it would be great news. :D

http://www.yle.fi/urheilu/lajit/moottoriurheilu/ralli/2008/04/marcus_gronholm_palaa_kilparadoille_103361.html

Here's the link. It's in Finnish but basically what it says is that Marcus will drive 5 races our of 10 with the Fiesta. He tested Andreas Eriksson's Fiesta earlier this year. that's where the idea came from.

[cali]

same propably everywhere, same would be for other drivers who has been years out of the WRC too, not only Markko.
No idea how good the new car was before he joined, or how good or bad it is now.

nobody has said anything about him beating TOP 3 guys :) , some of us were excited just to have opportunity to see him driving on top level again. It would be fun, but not likely to happen...

[Tomi]

nobody has said anything about him beating TOP 3 guys :) , some of us were excited just to have opportunity to see him driving on top level again. It would be fun, but not likely to happen...

That is what i mean with nothing to proove and with normal size ego, why would he come to drive in a WRC event just to show him self, a guy who did drive to win a few years ago?

[L5->R5/CR]

I would add Gigi in the group who would beat him, I think it shows that Markko has a normal size ego and nothing to prove by not driving in WRC.


You think Galli is that fast these days? I never peg him to finish better than 5th without some problems/retirements in front of him now that he has a "proper" drive and has to worry about team points, not just drivers points.


Markko has nothing to prove to anybody, but if he has some passion for driving in him still why not take up SWRT on their offer for a full works ride at at least one event this year?

[OldF]

http://www.yle.fi/urheilu/lajit/moottoriurheilu/ralli/2008/04/marcus_gronholm_palaa_kilparadoille_103361.html

Here's the link. It's in Finnish but basically what it says is that Marcus will drive 5 races our of 10 with the Fiesta. He tested Andreas Eriksson's Fiesta earlier this year. that's where the idea came from.

Here’s a link to a site: http://www.motorsport-aktuell.ch/artikel_1222.html

There was also an article about that in last issue of the Finnish magazine ”Vauhdin maailma”. Marcus said that the car had lot of more power compared to a WRC car.

[Tomi]

You think Galli is that fast these days? I never peg him to finish better than 5th without some problems/retirements in front of him now that he has a "proper" drive and has to worry about team points, not just drivers points.

I think he has always been quite fast, but now he has been driving smarter than before.

I dont think Markko has the motivation needed, also I dont think it's that easy to come back like if nothing would have happen after a few years, to me it's the same if he come back or not, I have never been crying after retired drivers, because there always comes new ones. I also understand Markko is trying to help new Estonian drivers, i see that as much more important thing.

[Magnus]

Marcus Grönholm will at least compete in Höljes, on of the great Rallycross events in europe, in the northern part of Värmland:
http://www.vf.se/Sport/Bilsport/2008/April/Vecka-15/Marcus-Gronholm-gor-comeback--i-Holjes.aspx

[Magnus]

There will be a press conference in stockholm on wednesday. henning Solberg is also expected to release news regarding his rallycross-project.
Bosse is not expected to be competitive at all this year, but if he thinks it is funny, he will go flat out 2009 :D
So: when will Loeb head for the mickey mouse sport?

[AndyRAC]

There will be a press conference in stockholm on wednesday. henning Solberg is also expected to release news regarding his rallycross-project.
Bosse is not expected to be competitive at all this year, but if he thinks it is funny, he will go flat out 2009 :D
So: when will Loeb head for the mickey mouse sport?

Some people might say he's already in a Mickey Mouse sport........

[tmx]

Gigi was leading Turkey with his old Lancer until he lost the turbo.

I wish Marrko would atleast drive once sometimes. Most other drivers beside Jari and Petter doesn't have that go for it/killer attitude so it's boring to watch them. I'm not talking about sideway. I wonder what specifically made him stop, if he couldn't find another codriver good enough, or it was a combination of things.

[rx-guru]

Marcus Grönholm will at least compete in Höljes, on of the great Rallycross events in europe, in the northern part of Värmland.

http://www.motorsport-aktuell.ch/artikel_2486.html

We expect Marcus to do even 5 or 6 ERC rounds…

[rx-guru]

So: when will Loeb head for the mickey mouse sport?

Who the heck knows? The grapevine has Séb already for RX…!

Most of those who call it "mickey mouse sport" have never been to its venues…

[Brother John]

Who the heck knows? The grapevine has Séb already for RX…!

Most of those who call it "mickey mouse sport" have never been to its venues…

WRC rallies are "mickey mouse sport" now these days. :p : :s mokin:

[Magnus]

Who the heck knows? The grapevine has Séb already for RX…!

Most of those who call it "mickey mouse sport" have never been to its venues…

Well: a relative of mine was Swedish Champ in rallycross (Supernational) 2005, and I have also driven his car occasionaly. So when i call it a Mickey Mouse sport it has nothing negative in it. it is just that they drive mickey mouse stages all the time!

[rx-guru]

Well: a relative of mine was Swedish Champ in rallycross (Supernational) 2005, and I have also driven his car occasionaly. So when i call it a Mickey Mouse sport it has nothing negative in it. it is just that they drive mickey mouse stages all the time!

So your relative is Urban B. and you drove his Volvo S40 I suppose…

[Magnus]

Yep. It´s you and Sherlock Holmes! :)

[rx-guru]

Yep. It´s you and Sherlock Holmes! :)

Not really. It’s just me, an elder RX-Guru… ;)

[Brother John]

Mitsubishi continue to play in sand! :D

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/rr/d10/n10/d/2008/04/11/mitsubishi-setzt-auf-diesel/index.html

[Koppomsbo]

Well: a relative of mine was Swedish Champ in rallycross (Supernational) 2005, and I have also driven his car occasionaly. So when i call it a Mickey Mouse sport it has nothing negative in it. it is just that they drive mickey mouse stages all the time!

Hey, is Urban doing the championship this year. Saw that he already got a third place in the ice racing champs this year.

[Magnus]

When I visited him in the beginning of march this was not in his plans; he thinks it is too expensive and to much work wit the sponsors. However he usually does Höljes anyway. Urban is an extremely talented driver and natural with anything with wheels. He have scared the **** out of me more than once...
It is a pity he is such a strong personality aswell that some sponsors get a bit afraid of him. He is getting to old now also, but don´t we all? :)

[janvanvurpa]

When I visited him in the beginning of march this was not in his plans; he thinks it is too expensive and to much work wit the sponsors. However he usually does Höljes anyway. Urban is an extremely talented driver and natural with anything with wheels. He have scared the **** out of me more than once...
It is a pity he is such a strong personality aswell that some sponsors get a bit afraid of him. He is getting to old now also, but don´t we all? :)
Hejsan Magnus, lite offtopic but what motor does the rallycross car have in it?
Redblock? Borrat and strokad all to hell?

I'd like to talk to you or him about motor parts.

[Koppomsbo]

Hejsan Magnus, lite offtopic but what motor does the rallycross car have in it?
Redblock? Borrat and strokad all to hell?

I'd like to talk to you or him about motor parts.

At least its an Köhler ;)

[AndyRAC]

Mitsubishi continue to play in sand! :D

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/rr/d10/n10/d/2008/04/11/mitsubishi-setzt-auf-diesel/index.html

If the WRC was a great championship, I'm sure they'd be back. They obviously get more return from this then WRC.

[Daniel]

If the WRC was a great championship, I'm sure they'd be back. They obviously get more return from this then WRC.
They're just there because Peugeot and Citroen came and made them look ordinary and Mitsubishi don't have the budget to do any better.

[dumb]

Deivydas Jocius re-registrated his Xsara in Lithuania.At the end of April he will test the car (propably in France) and he will run in three rallies this year.Like I said before one of them will be in Corsica and now it's clear another rally.Rally Turkey.

[Xsara Fan]

Deivydas Jocius re-registrated his Xsara in Lithuania.

Could you tell me the new numberplates of this car?

[dumb]

I don't know numbers now.The car is in France so...propably when the Turkey will be started...

[MikeD]

I don't know numbers now.The car is in France so...propably when the Turkey will be started...

Do you know which team will run his car? Kronos?, PH-Sport?, Citroën Sport? or will he have his own team?

[dumb]

Do you know which team will run his car? Kronos?, PH-Sport?, Citroën Sport? or will he have his own team?

There is some support from Citroen sport,but I think we can call this as his one team.Privateer.

[MikeD]

There is some support from Citroen sport,but I think we can call this as his one team.Privateer.

So he has his own mecanics? That's impressive. And then he will also be the first Citroën WRC driver not being run by one of the above teams.

[dumb]

Well I don't know about mechanics...But suport from Citroen really is.