Coates Hire Rally Australia 2015

[AndyRAC]

"To be in the lead tonight is an amazing performance and I'm sure that everyone who follows motorsport closely will have noticed it and I'm sure my rivals would have seen what we have done for two days."

Yes, Seb. You are a God and the greatest.

He's a top driver, but, he's a bit full of himself.....

[bassist]

he wants to turn into the Floyd Mayweather of rallying... he will never gain the respect he wants or even deserves that way though, his actions yell insecurity and nobody likes insecure people no matter how successful they are.

When is little Seb going to realise that this type of Sob story really doesnt do his street cred any good! He is the quickest driver by far, and will get a third World Championship tomorrow. The `humble approach would be much more appealing!

[N.O.T]

When is little Seb going to realise that this type of Sob story really doesnt do his street cred any good! He is the quickest driver by far, and will get a third World Championship tomorrow. The `humble approach would be much more appealing!

its not about being humble, its about not being a complete twat...

Mr Kaiser is a lost case even before managing to get close to any of the records the greatest ever.

[makinen_fan]

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

no its normal at night to be worse because there is no wind at all. Same issues at Greece at night stages at Acropolis.


So the wind only blows during the day in these places ?

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120777 Drivers complaining about the dust issues in the dark...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Will be good to see some on-boards of the Valla 2...

[SubaruNorway]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120777 Drivers complaining about the dust issues in the dark...

Just watched a couple drivers and apart from the first 20 sec i wouldn't call it an issue to be honest.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Grass in the door......I'd call that a moment for Elfyn Evans.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COtIgXiUAAAPuYe.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Bull-sheep Night stage... If it were run 1 hour earlier... beautiful sunset... perfect lighting for captures and to really watch the rally cars go through the stages and I couldn't agree more with Meeke. I ended up at the stage end with him, and Michele Mouton yelling! Perfect way to end the night :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

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Mine is better without the 'Photoshopping' :D

[N.O.T]

Mine is better without the 'Photoshopping' :D

yes but a bit out of focus.

[dimviii]

So the wind only blows during the day in these places ?

usually yes.Maybe sounds strange for you,but yes usually thats happening at summer days at Greece at night.
At Acropolis wasnt so bad the situation,and didn t had 5 min gaps though.


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[dimviii]

vw day 2

https://youtu.be/BkU0iYvqRec

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/40/67/Rallye_Australien_2015_084_406717_55f410cc5.jpg


some nice ones here
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1388

[dimviii]

some nice landings from borl
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[Mk2 RS2000]

A World Championship will include all driving conditions including the rain, fog and snow which can be encountered in North America, Scandinavia, Europe & the UK and which is as bad to drive in as the dust of Australia and Africa.
At least if you wait a few minutes after the passage of a car the dust clears, I have yet to see that happen with rain, fog or snow storms.

Time for a few people to take a teaspoon of cement with their breakfast and harden up.

[Antony Warmbold]

He's a top driver, but, he's a bit full of himself.....

His head is getting bigger with every breath. Soon he won't fit through the airplane door anymore.

[wia5958]

His head is getting bigger with every breath. Soon he won't fit through the airplane door anymore.
Hopefully he will be left in australia then 😄 lol

[rallyfiend]

The complaints I heard from the drivers were less to do with the dust, and more to do with the fact that there was a night stage.

I disagree with that.

Night stages have been held in rallying for years, and you drive to the conditions.

should they cancel stages because its started raining? What about fog? Snow?

[Simmi]

The complaints I heard from the drivers were less to do with the dust, and more to do with the fact that there was a night stage.

Are there any quotes around stating this? Wasn't the impression I got from the comments.

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing
#WRC Start List
1 Bertelli
2 @SLefebvreRallye
3 Evans
4 Sordo
5 Neuville
6 Tanak
7 Paddon
8 Mikkelsen
9 Latvala
10 @krismeeke
11 Ogier...

[dimviii]

Wow Paddon 12 sec faster from Dani and 16 from Neuville...


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[Simmi]

Ogier lays the smackdown on the opening stage. Meeke resigned to his fate. Hopefully he can hold on to third.

[bt52b]

Meeke needs to get points. Citroën prefer that he just drive to the limit of the car and no more.

[EstWRC]

Meeke said it all in the end of this one: "We had road position advantage and today we dont and thats the reality"

[danon]

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/fia-world-rally-championship-live-streaming

[dimviii]

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[danon]

Paddon is doing great!

[noel157]

John Desborough is a decent guy but he doesn't half talk a load of bollix.Much prefer Andrew Coley.

[GigiGalliNo1]

yes but a bit out of focus.

Slowing internet here so had to compress!
McKlein have full size

[wia5958]

Yeah would say meekes driving for the points would think matton has told him to bring it home regardless of what position he finishes in given Lefebvre current position. Citroen need them points

[wia5958]

Nice to hear latvala say hes going for the win. Fingers crossed he can do it. But its a big gap in 2 stages

[raybak]

Ogier with a swept line is on another level to everyone.

[Rallyper]

No excitement any more. Ogier to be WRD champion in a couple of minutes. WRC+ working well.

[Rallyper]

Congrats to the current best driver in WRC!! World champion 2015.

[bowler]

Congrats to the current best driver in WRC!! World champion 2015.

Love him or hate him, you can't take away the talent needed to make a World Champion.

Congratulations Seb and Julian

[Allyc85]

Massive congratulations to Seb and Julien on their 3rd title! May as well give them the 2016 trophy already too, they and the car are so far ahead of the opposition it is ridiculous!

[Eli]

Congrats to both Seb & Julian & also VW!
This rally shows though it doesn't look pretty good for the WRC with another set of good years of another team dominating the sport and crushing all opposition. hopefully the opposition will wake up before the end of this decade.

[Eli]

10 sec. penalty for Mikkelsen looks like payback as Meeke had his last year.

[danon]

Bravo!

Ogier just put another WRC title under his belt.

Congrats!

[N.O.T]

very nice win and a 3rd world world title for mr Kaiser... once more none came even close.

[EstWRC]

thank god we have the rule that they have to start in the championship order in firs two days otherwise Ogier would have won the title already couple of rallies ago. It is just depressing how much better they are when the conditions are equal, we saw it today and like Meeke said thats the reality. Yeah, they have the best driver, Ogier but im not sure if they have the best three drivers, the car seems to be unbelievable. In my eyes Meeke, Paddon and Tänak are fast as Mikkelsen and Latvala or even faster but they just dont have the car and experience yet. Thats purely my opinion.

[EstWRC]

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[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier Ingrassia for the well deserved 3rd title.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COv-mcDUAAAsMKX.jpg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/u_UoI60TbV8

[dimviii]

very nice win and a 3rd world world title for mr Kaiser... once more none came even close.

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[janvanvurpa]

"To be in the lead tonight is an amazing performance and I'm sure that everyone who follows motorsport closely will have noticed it and I'm sure my rivals would have seen what we have done for two days."

Yeah yeah 3rd title whoopie

but for a injection of reality a glance at the gap in the results shows:





Time
Penalty
Diff.
Diff. pr.
km/h
s/km


1.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/france.png
1
Ogier Sébastien - Ingrassia Julien (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905673&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Volkswagen Polo R WRC
M
RC1
2:59:16.4

104.2


2.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/finland.png
2
Latvala Jari-Matti - Anttila Miikka (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905674&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Volkswagen Polo R WRC
M
RC1
2:59:28.7
+12.3
+12.3
104.1
0.04


3.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/uk.png
3
Meeke Kris - Nagle Paul (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905675&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Citroën DS3 WRC
M
RC1
2:59:49.0
+32.6
+20.3
103.9
0.10


4.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/norway.png
9
Mikkelsen Andreas - Floene Ola (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905681&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Volkswagen Polo R WRC
M
RC1
2:59:54.9
0:10
+38.5
+5.9
103.9
0.12





So if what he has done is "an amazing performance" then the performance of those
coming 0.04 seconds after per km after must also be an amazing performance.

Even 0.1 sec/km after is undetectable to anybody viewing and only way to see any difference is with a good, accurate stop-watch. Latvala was .9988% as fast and 0.0012% means effectively no unbelievable difference.

[AL14]

Yeah yeah 3rd title whoopie

but for a injection of reality a glance at the gap in the results shows:





Time
Penalty
Diff.
Diff. pr.
km/h
s/km


1.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/france.png
1
Ogier Sébastien - Ingrassia Julien (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905673&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Volkswagen Polo R WRC
M
RC1
2:59:16.4


104.2



2.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/finland.png
2
Latvala Jari-Matti - Anttila Miikka (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905674&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Volkswagen Polo R WRC
M
RC1
2:59:28.7

+12.3
+12.3
104.1
0.04



3.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/uk.png
3
Meeke Kris - Nagle Paul (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905675&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Citroën DS3 WRC
M
RC1
2:59:49.0

+32.6
+20.3
103.9
0.10


4.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/norway.png
9
Mikkelsen Andreas - Floene Ola (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=19128&d=905681&t=Coates-Hire-Rally-Australia-2015)
Volkswagen Polo R WRC
M
RC1
2:59:54.9
0:10
+38.5
+5.9
103.9
0.12






So if what he has done is "an amazing performance" then the performance of those
coming 0.04 seconds after per km after must also me an amazing performance

Even 0.1 sec/km after is undetectable to anybody viewing and only way to see any difference is with a good, accurate stop-watch. Latvala was .9988% as fast and 0.0012% means effectively no unbelievable difference.

I'm a Latvala's fan but I think they're right to say Ogier's was an amazing performance. Try to do your counts for sunday's stages in equal condition and not for the whole rally.
And by the way, in 3 hours event one tenth of a second per km is not a little gap.
Ogier is the way he is but as a driver he is near perfect. He didn't make a mistake in an entire year, he's good on every surface, he's mentally strong, he has a better pace note system and make always the best decisions choosing setup and tires. He has no weak points. This makes his performance amazing, others can be very good, or very strong but he is amazing.

[6789]

My event video - managed to see some decent spots given the time constraints. http://youtu.be/v0pONMb1Vh4

[AL14]

Dedicated to N.O.T

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Didnt expect anything else overnight - another complete VW / Ogier lockout.

Only positive for me this event was Meeke coming through unscathed with decent pace, even beating one of the VWs.

Three seasons now and they are getting even more dominant. Worrying for the sport.

[AndyRAC]

Well done to Seb & Julian on their 3rd WRC Title; and in all honesty it hasn't really been in doubt - despite having to run first on the road. The Ogier/ VW combo is by far the best - it's up to the others to raise their game - and hope the FiA don't come up with another way to handicap Ogier.

[Simmi]

I think the reason a lot of people are being hard on Toyota ahead of their re-entry is that we want to see someone really put Ogier under pressure. Because as it stands his current team-mates simply can't beat him over a season and there's no sign that will change.

I doubt next year there will be a whole heap of development on the Polo and certainly not a lot on the Fiesta and DS3 as they look to 2017 (do the right thing Citroen. And also Ford for that matter). That kind of leaves us with what we've had this year. The big wildcard is that new Hyundai and how good it is over 12 months. They need to hit the ground running as this is a one-season car.

Hopefully they can get amongst the Polos but I can't see the situation being much different next year.

[Rallyper]

As long as drivers can pay to be in WRC, VW will be dominant. If teams hire drivers with documented raw speed and talent, things could change within a few years. (Not next year though)

[Barreis]

It's only question how much titles in the row will win Ogier...

[N.O.T]

It's only question how much titles in the row will win Ogier...

5 or 6 i think he deserves to be ahead of Kankkunen and of course makinen.

[AL14]

5 or 6 i think he deserves to be ahead of Kankkunen and of course makinen.

I fear he will win 10 times just to overcome Loeb and then retire.

[Simmi]

I fear he will win 10 times just to overcome Loeb and then retire.

I don't think he has any interest in staying in the WRC for that long. Certainly he's intimated that in the past. I think he has the ability to target a number and then walk away like Loeb did.

[N.O.T]

I fear he will win 10 times just to overcome Loeb and then retire.

no he won't.

[MartijnS]

My event video - managed to see some decent spots given the time constraints. http://youtu.be/v0pONMb1Vh4

Nice! Just don't use the slowmo's anymore, they suck ;)

[drive]

Didnt expect anything else overnight - another complete VW / Ogier lockout.

Only positive for me this event was Meeke coming through unscathed with decent pace, even beating one of the VWs.

Three seasons now and they are getting even more dominant. Worrying for the sport.
yes, but lets not blame vw for their perfect job... where are the others, whats stoping them to come up with good car/driver package?
do we want championship of soso cars/drivers or 3-5 teams like vw competing? if for now its only vw on this level, lets slag the slow competitors for doing not enough, but not the guys who done right...

[AL14]

I don't think he has any interest in staying in the WRC for that long. Certainly he's intimated that in the past. I think he has the ability to target a number and then walk away like Loeb did.

It could be like you say but I don't know why shouldn't he have any interest to do that. After all if he win 10 times in a row he will be 39. Not that old.


no he won't.

Why?

[janvanvurpa]

Nice! Just don't use the slowmo's anymore, they suck ;)

Thank you Martijn.
Personally the slo-mo inserted randomly and CONSTANTLY is so sucky--and so over done I believI read somewhere that draft laws have been introduced into several Paliaments to make it legal to liquidate any videographers who use more than 1 per hour of video.
Which sound reasonable to me. Perhaps they will use electric drills---on super slow setting- to drill thru their skulls---slowly.

Again thanks for speaking out..
Do the same on You-tube and talk top your friends and maybe together we can begin to rid the world of the plague of the random slo-mo..

[janvanvurpa]

I'm a Latvala's fan but I think they're right to say Ogier's was an amazing performance. Try to do your counts for sunday's stages in equal condition and not for the whole rally.
And by the way, in 3 hours event one tenth of a second per km is not a little gap.
Ogier is the way he is but as a driver he is near perfect. He didn't make a mistake in an entire year, he's good on every surface, he's mentally strong, he has a better pace note system and make always the best decisions choosing setup and tires. He has no weak points. This makes his performance amazing, others can be very good, or very strong but he is amazing.

I do not agree that Ogier's prestanda alone is amazing.. actually there's a big chance that the results show just what i was told by 1969 and 1970 World Champion in 500 Motocross Bengt Åberg, from Bollnäs up in Northern Sweden.. I had met him first when i was 15 here in Seattle, then 10 years or so later I was at a Swedish Championship race and it was muddy and Bengt was then 7 years past his Title years..
He won both heats and when he came in (I was parked a couple cars up in the paddock--I was doing some support race) I walked over and said "gratulera, bra gjort" (congratulations well done) Bengt spat and said more or less what I think applies:
Bra? what the hell you saying? I drove like shit today."

Me "well you won both heats (and the first after a very bad start)"

Him "Yeah? Well shit. That probably means I made a few less major blunders or maybe I caught my blunders just a little sooner that the other guy caught his blunders, or he made just a few more...but I didn't drive GOOD" he was pissed off.

Even 0.1% slower can only be measured electronically... and that was Meeke..
The human eye cannot see 4/100 of a second. like Latvala.

I say if the one is amazing then the others--slower undetectable to the eye --are also
and then it comes down to possibly one of possible many small little errors.

That's what has always struck me as one of the interesting things even down to clubbie level I competed--a big variety of cars, level of prep, ranges of experience, and relatively tight SS times.

[Rallyper]

But John - consistency, what about that from Ogier? Isn´t that the difference?

[N.O.T]

Why?

Because he is not Loeb.

[AL14]

I do not agree that Ogier's prestanda alone is amazing.. actually there's a big chance that the results show just what i was told by 1969 and 1970 World Champion in 500 Motocross Bengt Åberg, from Bollnäs up in Northern Sweden.. I had met him first when i was 15 here in Seattle, then 10 years or so later I was at a Swedish Championship race and it was muddy and Bengt was then 7 years past his Title years..
He won both heats and when he came in (I was parked a couple cars up in the paddock--I was doing some support race) I walked over and said "gratulera, bra gjort" (congratulations well done) Bengt spat and said more or less what I think applies:
Bra? what the hell you saying? I drove like shit today."

Me "well you won both heats (and the first after a very bad start)"

Him "Yeah? Well shit. That probably means I made a few less major blunders or maybe I caught my blunders just a little sooner that the other guy caught his blunders, or he made just a few more...but I didn't drive GOOD" he was pissed off.

Even 0.1% slower can only be measured electronically... and that was Meeke..
The human eye cannot see 4/100 of a second. like Latvala.

I say if the one is amazing then the others--slower undetectable to the eye --are also
and then it comes down to possibly one of possible many small little errors.

That's what has always struck me as one of the interesting things even down to clubbie level I competed--a big variety of cars, level of prep, ranges of experience, and relatively tight SS times.

Ok, I'll try to be a bit more clear: what all the guys do in WRC, beside some newbie or privater, is without doubt outstanding. Their driving skills and balls are beyond our imagination and we all can't even imagine how difficult it is to do what they do with their cars every weekend.

Said that, at those kind of high level, even the slightest of the difference is way more bigger than it seems.
If I will fight in a rally car against someone like me who never raced in his life, 0.1s/km would be an insignificant difference.
The same doesn't go for Latvala and Ogier. It's clear Seb has some more than his rivals, starting with consistency like Rallyper said, but not only that.

[AL14]

Because he is not Loeb.

Yes he's not. We all know that. I expected a more analytical/techincal explanation but it appears I was wrong. ;)

[N.O.T]

analysis over a prediction is meaningless most of the times, especially on longterm predictions.

[AL14]

analysis over a prediction is meaningless most of the times, especially on longterm predictions.

Ok, I surrender.

[N.O.T]

Ok, I surrender.

also known as Offensive French war tactics.

[AL14]

also known as Offensive French war tactics.

Oh please don't think I'm french! But well, you didn't even start the war. Are you swiss pheraps?

[N.O.T]

Are you swiss pheraps?

I wish.

[danon]

LOL... swiss - epic joke

[janvanvurpa]

But John - consistency, what about that from Ogier? Isn´t that the difference?

Of course...and that means from what we can learn how insignificant the speed difference is, that consistently not fawking up is what brings wins and titles..

When I'm talking to beginners over here I --and I talk to so many because i manufacture good suspension and its popular---I say we should barrow a motto from the medical profession---those guys who have hammered me back to human form so many times.. Their No1 rule is "First do no harm"

I say for us knuckleheads we modify it to: "First do no stupid"

I think THAT is Ogier's special skill. Not some "amazing" speed.

[Rallyper]

Back in the days in the late 80´s I drove my Ascona B 195 hp in my first rallies* did some stupid mistakes, like missed junctions, had to reverse and so on. So I thought about it and came to the same conclusion that mistakes only costs time. And it worked. I focused more and could increase my speed and times on stages, ruling out all the small mistakes.

You have a point.

*after comeback. I debuted in 1972 actually in a 63 Saab Sport ex works car.

[AL14]

Ok, this is my last post defending Ogier. Believe me, it's not easy to do it. :)

You guys can't be more right about Ogier consistency. That is what I said before. He is complete and has more than one skill that made him three times world champions, Most probably it is consistency the most important.

But you can see how smooth and clean he is every weekend and even when others makes no mistakes (this weekend Latvala, Meeke, Mikkelsen and Paddon didn't even spin or stall a single time), he manages to gain seconds. Ok, especially with Latvala the difference in speed is very very little and sometimes jari-matti is even better but that tenth or half tenth is still there too many times. And it is not insignificant, because like I said before, at this kind of level it makes the difference.

[Rally Power]

consistency, what about that from Ogier? Isn´t that the difference?

Could Ogier undisputed nº1 status in the VW team be the major factor for his consistency?

In Citroën's golden era, all Loeb teammates (including Ogier!) seemed less consistent than him!

There's an obvious psychological advantage when you know, from day one, that you're the top driver and any other guy in your team has to give 110% in order to get the team's approval to challenge you! (Ogier managed to do that in his last Citro season, but he and the team's chief (Quesnel) were discarded...).

Like some of you have said before, there's very little hope for Latavala to be world champ in the VW squad!

Btw, this was a strange rally: very close gaps but no one seemed to be in maximum attack mode! Just one retirement, for the less experienced Lefebvre.

[danon]

You've hit the nail on the head, Rally Power !

[Toyoda]

Couple of thoughts, feel free to disagree and I don't mean this to degrade Loebs amazing achievement's and hard work, he is the master.

There are only two drivers in the last 10 to 15 years that have had a car built around them and there driving style, Loeb and Ogier, hence there dominance, perfect man and machine.

Personally I think Ogier is achieving even greater things than Loeb...Why...
In Loebs era Citroen was a good step ahead of the rest, much like VW now.
His only competition was In a Ford being Gronhelm, Hirvonen and a young Latvala, in a worse car but even then the beat Loeb constantly. (and i guess Solberg in an average suby)
When a rookee Ogier came in, in an equal car he immediately started equalling/beating Loeb.

Now in Ogiers era, Latvala is the real competition, in his prime and in he same car, and Ogier is dominating like never has been seen, I thing that Loeb never had this competition (I guess Colin and Sainz but they were on the down). May be i'm wrong, I guess in the early Loeb era there were some fast cats around...

Also I think this baging of Ogier's personality is pathetic, he is a confident competitive perfectionist who says what he thinks and I applaud him for that, that's what make him the best, he knows what he wants!

[N.O.T]

Could Ogier undisputed nº1 status in the VW team be the major factor for his consistency?

In Citroën's golden era, all Loeb teammates (including Ogier!) seemed less consistent than him!

There's an obvious psychological advantage when you know, from day one, that you're the top driver and any other guy in your team has to give 110% in order to get the team's approval to challenge you! (Ogier managed to do that in his last Citro season, but he and the team's chief (Quesnel) were discarded...).

Like some of you have said before, there's very little hope for Latavala to be world champ in the VW squad!

Btw, this was a strange rally: very close gaps but no one seemed to be in maximum attack mode! Just one retirement, for the less experienced Lefebvre.

tiny detail...

Ogier and Loeb started as No2/3 drivers and earned their undisputed No1 status... in every sport you have to dethrone your team mate to earn the favour of the team, why should be different in rallying ?

[N.O.T]

Couple of thoughts, feel free to disagree and I don't mean this to degrade Loebs amazing achievement's and hard work, he is the master.

There are only two drivers in the last 10 to 15 years that have had a car built around them and there driving style, Loeb and Ogier, hence there dominance, perfect man and machine.

Personally I think Ogier is achieving even greater things than Loeb...Why...
In Loebs era Citroen was a good step ahead of the rest, much like VW now.
His only competition was In a Ford being Gronhelm, Hirvonen and a young Latvala, in a worse car but even then the beat Loeb constantly. (and i guess Solberg in an average suby)
When a rookee Ogier came in, in an equal car he immediately started equalling/beating Loeb.

Now in Ogiers era, Latvala is the real competition, in his prime and in he same car, and Ogier is dominating like never has been seen, I thing that Loeb never had this competition (I guess Colin and Sainz but they were on the down). May be i'm wrong, I guess in the early Loeb era there were some fast cats around...

Also I think this baging of Ogier's personality is pathetic, he is a confident competitive perfectionist who says what he thinks and I applaud him for that, that's what make him the best, he knows what he wants!

you should start watching tennis more.

[Mintexmemory]

Could Ogier undisputed nº1 status in the VW team be the major factor for his consistency?

In Citroën's golden era, all Loeb teammates (including Ogier!) seemed less consistent than him!

There's an obvious psychological advantage when you know, from day one, that you're the top driver and any other guy in your team has to give 110% in order to get the team's approval to challenge you! (Ogier managed to do that in his last Citro season, but he and the team's chief (Quesnel) were discarded...).

Like some of you have said before, there's very little hope for Latavala to be world champ in the VW squad!

Btw, this was a strange rally: very close gaps but no one seemed to be in maximum attack mode! Just one retirement, for the less experienced Lefebvre.

Second and third minor details
- It's hard to seem consistent as a no.2 when, if you are in a challenging position, the team 'adjust' the engine mapping.
- Ogier never had the 'team's approval' to challenge in 2011 - Quesnel couldn't deliver as the Loeb-ist execs over-ruled him and set in motion the path to Citroen's present malaise - one last championship then run for cover when a unhandicapped Ogier became the opposition

[N.O.T]

Second and third minor details
- It's hard to seem consistent as a no.2 when, if you are in a challenging position, the team 'adjust' the engine mapping.
- Ogier never had the 'team's approval' to challenge in 2011 - Quesnel couldn't deliver as the Loeb-ist execs over-ruled him and set in motion the path to Citroen's present malaise - one last championship then run for cover when a unhandicapped Ogier became the opposition

tennis.

[Mintexmemory]

tennis.

Tiddlywinks!

[jacko]

tiny detail...

Ogier and Loeb started as No2/3 drivers and earned their undisputed No1 status... in every sport you have to dethrone your team mate to earn the favour of the team, why should be different in rallying ?

Well well well.. well said !!

[jacko]

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[jacko]

Couple of thoughts, feel free to disagree and I don't mean this to degrade Loebs amazing achievement's and hard work, he is the master.

There are only two drivers in the last 10 to 15 years that have had a car built around them and there driving style, Loeb and Ogier, hence there dominance, perfect man and machine.

Personally I think Ogier is achieving even greater things than Loeb...Why...
In Loebs era Citroen was a good step ahead of the rest, much like VW now.
His only competition was In a Ford being Gronhelm, Hirvonen and a young Latvala, in a worse car but even then the beat Loeb constantly. (and i guess Solberg in an average suby)
When a rookee Ogier came in, in an equal car he immediately started equalling/beating Loeb.

Now in Ogiers era, Latvala is the real competition, in his prime and in he same car, and Ogier is dominating like never has been seen, I thing that Loeb never had this competition (I guess Colin and Sainz but they were on the down). May be i'm wrong, I guess in the early Loeb era there were some fast cats around...

Also I think this baging of Ogier's personality is pathetic, he is a confident competitive perfectionist who says what he thinks and I applaud him for that, that's what make him the best, he knows what he wants!

Ogier is Ogier and Loeb is Loeb. Both are extremely good. You can't compare them really to another. Think in the end there's a little betweem them. Loeb for sure had a lot of competition back in the years 2003 (were he almost already could win), 2004 and 2005 (although the last one the Citroën was at his best compare the other cars). 2006 the Ford Focus was better but mechanical and some errors costs Gronholm the title. 2007 it was a hard battle with Gronholm again but from 2008 there wasn't really a fight for the championship. Only 2011 some new boy called Seb Ogier was taking up the fight and we all know that wasn't really Citroën's plan at that moment. But from 2013 Ogier never really had competition who's the best in the end and for next season i don't expect something different to see.

[dimviii]

Second and third minor details
- It's hard to seem consistent as a no.2 when, if you are in a challenging position, the team 'adjust' the engine mapping.
lol

- Ogier never had the 'team's approval' to challenge in 2011 - Quesnel couldn't deliver as the Loeb-ist execs over-ruled him and set in motion the path to Citroen's present malaise - one last championship then run for cover when a unhandicapped Ogier became the opposition

lol

[Rally Power]

Ogier and Loeb started as No2/3 drivers and earned their undisputed No1 status... in every sport you have to dethrone your team mate to earn the favour of the team, why should be different in rallying ?

Ogier wasn't allowed to dethrone his teammate at Citroen and entered VW knowing that no one would be allowed to dethrone him...

No doubt Rally represents the quintessence of motor sport, otherwise it wouldn't survive such a tedious domination for almost 15 years!

[Toyoda]

Ogier is Ogier and Loeb is Loeb. Both are extremely good. You can't compare them really to another. Think in the end there's a little betweem them. Loeb for sure had a lot of competition back in the years 2003 (were he almost already could win), 2004 and 2005 (although the last one the Citroën was at his best compare the other cars). 2006 the Ford Focus was better but mechanical and some errors costs Gronholm the title. 2007 it was a hard battle with Gronholm again but from 2008 there wasn't really a fight for the championship. Only 2011 some new boy called Seb Ogier was taking up the fight and we all know that wasn't really Citroën's plan at that moment. But from 2013 Ogier never really had competition who's the best in the end and for next season i don't expect something different to see.

Agreed,

[Barreis]

And again i20 can't score better then 5th, that's their reality...

[andyone]

As we see and remember during Loeb's era start order went to day three. It made life a bit difficult for Loeb, with that in hand. Ogier wouldn't dominate like he is. Loeb is better than Ogier

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[dimviii]

Οgier asked Loeb for a selfie at Franfurt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO8ozacWoAAzW4A.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO80DhEWgAEk5o2.jpg

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier
Nice to see @SebastienLoeb today at #IAA2015 Frankfurt! ��
French Power ����

[GigiGalliNo1]

Just a side note on Rally Australia.

Spectators paid $55 AU for a day pass on Friday whilst Saturday and Sunday, each day tickets cost $70+...

What's the cost for European rounds? :D

[EstWRC]

Rallypass for rally finland was 65 euros.

[Mirek]

Monte Carlo or Sardegna are for free...

[Simmi]

Wales GB rally pass is £99 / 135Euros. Rally Germany pass I bought last month cost half that.

[Mintexmemory]

Monte Carlo or Sardegna are for free...

As are France and Spain

.... as is GB if you aren't a tourist ;-)

[EstWRC]

http://jree.ee/gallery/wrc-australia-2015/

[AndyRAC]

As are France and Spain

.... as is GB if you aren't a tourist ;-)

Though things might change with regards to spectator safety; everybody funnelled into 'pens'.