Dakar 2016

[A FONDO]

Time has come for a new thread, news are already coming. :)

First, Chili may be out of the calendar because of the huge recent floods. Source is local media who claims a solid source from the government.

Second, Loprais goes to Iveco alongside De Rooy. Official presentation has been done.

[J4MIE]

Official presentation is on 16th April, I think.

Shame to see Chile is out (almost 100%), they will have a lot of work to do to fill in it's place, I'm guessing longer in Argentina, through Bolivia and maybe a return to Peru?

[vino_93]

Maybe a start from Colombia ... I don't know if Lavigne found countries who wants the race between Colombia and Argentina...
I'm quite skeptical about 2016 ... Last year Peru refused to host the event, will it change this year ? Not sure ... if there's no Peru, Paraguay, Uruguay ? But less sand ...

[MartijnS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCsumTyUIAQg8-i.jpg:large

Next week, Sealine Cross Country Rally in Qatar.
5 Dutch cars on the entrylist; 3x Wevers HRX Ford for Dennis Kuipers, Rene Kuipers & Peter van Merksteijn Sr. 2x Mini for Peter van Merksteijn Jr. and Erik van Loon.

[J4MIE]

I was close ;)

[MitFan]

671

Will we see a hybrid electric vehicle in the dakar 2016?

[Mirek]

There were already hybrid and electric cars on Dakar but with no success.

[MitFan]

Yes but this is from a credible car maker .. it will be seen in Portugal in October.. Baja Portalegre..
However not sure about the Dakar.. No specs given and car looks closer to a production car.. once again.. however..:D.. this car looks dakar rally ready .. even though it is a drawing..672

[MitFan]

http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119798

Loeb for dakar 2016?

[MartijnS]

Hirvonen with Mini is confirmed!

[dimviii]

Hirvonen with Mini is confirmed!

http://www.x-raid.de/en/news/news-article/x-raid-signs-mikko-hirvonen.html

X-RAID SIGNS MIKKO HIRVONEN
- The Finn to race the MINI ALL4 Racing in the Dakar Rally
- Debut in Spain’s Baja Aragon

Even after having celebrated four consecutive Dakar wins, X-raid isn’t ready to rest. Instead, it is working on creating the best possible package for the coming years. On the one hand, the X-raid team consistently enhances the MINI ALL4 Racing, currently the most successful off-road vehicle of the world, and on the other, X-raid succeeded in signing another competitive driver for its line-up: Mikko Hirvonen. The experienced rally driver already demonstrated his skills at the wheel of the MINI ALL4 Racing in tests.
The former WRC ace was thrilled by the MINI ALL4 Racing right from the start. Although the switch to off-road rallying represents a major challenge for the Finn. To provide him the best possible support on the way to coping with the new challenge, X-raid teams him up with the experienced co-driver Michel Périn. Périn is a four-time Dakar winner who celebrated his last Dakar-win to date in 2014: together with Nani Roma in a MINI ALL4 Racing. And although the Frenchman had announced his retirement from motor racing, early this year, he didn’t want to miss out on this opportunity. He already acted as Hirvonen’s co-driver in the tests and was fascinated by the Finn right away.
In his 13 WRC years, Hirvonen finished second in the World Championship four times (2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012) but at the end of the 2014 season, the 35 year old retired from the WRC sport for good. In June, he tested the MINI ALL4 Racing in Morocco for the first time and in a few days, in Spain’s Baja Aragon held in late July, Hirvonen will drive the MINI ALL4 Racing for the first time in anger.
“We are really delighted with having succeeded in signing Mikko” said X-raid's Team Manager Sven Quandt. “He certainly will be an asset not only to our team but to the Dakar, too. In the tests in Morocco he delivered in truly impressive style and felt good on the ‘new terrain’ right from the start. Nonetheless, one shouldn’t have too high expectations regarding his Dakar debut. Mikko still has to gather a lot of experience as the Dakar is a unique event. But on the other hand, Michel is a very experienced co-driver who has got what it takes to support him in many areas.”

Three questions to Mikko Hirvonen
1. What do you know about Dakar?
I can say that six months ago I didn't know a lot, just what I have seen on TV. Of course, I knew it was a real long-distance race without pace notes and that it's far more about navigation and not so much about driving flat out. But now I've been executing long tests with the X-raid Team and I've been lucky to have been teamed-up with my very experienced co-driver, Michel Périn. He and the team helped me a lot to get a better picture of what it’s all about and the more they tell me, the more I'm getting excited about the challenge.
2. How was your feeling in the MINI during the tests and how was it to change your driving style?
Of course, the car and the terrain where we were driving differed a lot from what you have to cope with in WRC rallying. A WRC car is more precise and more responsive but wouldn’t be able to go to the places we can go to with the MINI. And the MINI’s strength and ruggedness is just incredible. Sometimes we aren’t racing on roads but have to contest full off-road sections and the punishment this car is able to take is extremely impressive. Meanwhile, the speed isn’t a real problem for me – but understanding the limits of the car in the bad section still is. In addition, I would say that contesting the long sections in Raid rallying is more physical than what you have to cope with in the conventional rally sport.
3. What is your goal for the Dakar and the Baja Aragon?
It's a lot about the experience. Dakar is such a long race and the dunes there are in a world of their own. So, to finish the event without encountering major problems or without getting stuck anywhere already would represent a really good achievement for my first Dakar. Meanwhile, the Baja Aragon is going to be more of the kind of rallying I'm used to. But driving without pace notes in your road book is not so easy and I still have to keep on familiarizing myself with the MINI as well. But should I feel good in the car and everything works well we hopefully will be able to set some good times in Baja Aragon.

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119989 article to confirm from autosport about Hirvonen

[makinen_fan]

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[Medved]

New Kamaz - Dakar 2016

https://storage.googleapis.com/os-motormix-1/editor/full/77674.jpg

[makinen_fan]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/23/4de47b1e0fc415e7e96bac6e6fc33b92.jpg

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[pantealex]

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That rally is starting today...

[MartijnS]

First prologue.

1 Al-Attiyah
2 Roma
3 Terranova
4 Roca
5 Hirvonen +11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKsv3ViUYAA3j75.jpg

[Mekola]

New Kamaz - Dakar 2016

https://storage.googleapis.com/os-motormix-1/editor/full/77674.jpg

Quite old-school hood...

[Zeakiwi]

Quite old-school hood...

but underneath is a pure off-road rallying/ Dakar machine........................................... .............

[raybak]

Peter Jerie wins in Dakar Series event held in Paraguay.

Great to see a good guy triumph finally over a tough wet event.

http://www.desafioguarani.com/en/cars-jerie-wins-in-paraguay/

[Mirek]

Quite old-school hood...

Why is it old-school? Putting the cabin behind the engine is modern trend in Dakar trucks started by De Rooy's Iveco some two or three years back. The advantage is better weight balance, better aerodynamics and better engine serviceability.

[MartijnS]

Mikko finished 3rd!
Good result.

[Eli]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120131 Petter Solberg could join Loeb at the helm of the 2008 DKR

[Mirek]

So it was no coincidence that Kamaz truck was in Buggyra facility on the way back to Russia. New 2016 Kamaz uses Buggyra Gyrtech engine! The new truck has weight distribution 45/55. Photogallery: http://www.auto.cz/kamaz-master-team-predstavuje-novy-zavodni-special-88415/foto?foto=0

http://img.auto.cz/news/img/galleries/2015-31/24_55b610390904c.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Some nice photos from Baja Aragon by Marian Chytka

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/11705420_1021771594533663_6142120308742705628_o.jp g

More
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1021770367867119.1073741921.354324684611694&type=3

[Zeakiwi]

Rally does Sertoes 2015 - nice roll at the end of this
https://youtu.be/rETccJWoTOM

https://youtu.be/ihk4Fv776B8 (4th Stage - forward roll by utv)

[MitFan]

Teaser from Peugeot: http://www.peugeot-sport.com/en/

[manthey]

Russia to launch Moscow-to-Beijing rally in 2016 to rival Dakar Rally
http://espn.go.com/racing/story/_/id/13524114/russia-launch-moscow-beijing-rally-rival-dakar

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNUCcuTWsAA_0Ev.jpg

[EightGear]

Maybe no De Rooy next year because he doesn't like the route. There will barely be any dunes, which he doesn't like. He's thinking about doing the Africa Eco Race and is talking with Kamaz about it as well.

http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news%2F235161632%2FWellicht+geen+Dakar+Rally+voor +Gerard+de+Rooy+Route+staat+me+niet+aan.aspx

[MitFan]

Peugeot seems to be progressing well with the 2008 DKR 2015+
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120752

If all goes well the 2016 spec car should be faster. Should be a good fight in 2016.

Any news of Toyota?
They should be very strong too. Read somewhere that the Gasolines are churning out around 500hp....could that be right?

With the right pilots there should be a nice three way battle at lease.

[Mirek]

Jaroslav Valtr will drive second truck of Tatra Buggyra team. The first one will be modified last year's machine of Martin Kolomý. Second one of Valtr is all new based on Tatra Phoenix.

http://img.auto.cz/news/img/galleries/2015-38/107_55fbb4adbefdf.jpg
http://img.auto.cz/news/img/galleries/2015-38/113_55fbb4ae4104e.jpg

Source article with a lot of photos and some video (David Vršecký was driving in the presentation): http://www.auto.cz/svezli-jsme-se-tatrou-phoenix-pro-dakar-2016-tenhle-sport-boli-videa-89195

[dimviii]

Peter Leung ‏@BaronVonClutch
Team Kamaz Master had a bit of a crash yesterday. The crew Dmitry Sotnikov, Igor Девяткин, Ruslan Ахмадеев are OK.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPYami3VEAAtLil.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Changes between last year's Peugeot car. It looks better, I hope it is also more competitive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUDSY5ktBE&feature=youtu.be

[Mirek]

it's at least a lot more spectacular :)

[MitFan]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120931

A bit more on Peugeot.

[Co-driven]

It looks like Federico Villagra from Argentina will drive a De Rooy truck in the next Dakar.

[Mirek]

Does it mean that the team of De Rooy finally goes to South America?

[MartijnS]

No, Gerard said that they would maybe split the team up.

[Mirek]

Any idea where Loprais goes (if he is still with the team)?

[MartijnS]

No idea for both questions, sorry.

[zako85]

Why is it old-school? Putting the cabin behind the engine is modern trend in Dakar trucks started by De Rooy's Iveco some two or three years back. The advantage is better weight balance, better aerodynamics and better engine serviceability.

I personally like more the traditional "Big Brick on Wheels" look of rally tracks.

[Rally Power]

Changes between last year's Peugeot car. It looks better, I hope it is also more competitive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUDSY5ktBE&feature=youtu.be

They've longer it, wider it and lower it and now it looks up to the job...what the heck were they thinking when they released last year car?!? Btw, nice video!

[Zeakiwi]

They've longer it, wider it and lower it and now it looks up to the job...what the heck were they thinking when they released last year car?!? Btw, nice video!

My guess is the first 2008 DKR was too close to the production car size,Peugeot trying to make the DKR light by making it small - short and narrow. The 2016 looks more like a race Touareg now.

[Mirek]

It has nearly nothing common with race Touareg. This is a buggy. It has huge suspension travel, a lot bigger wheels, much less weight etc. The rules for buggies and 4WD are very different. This new Peugeot is closer to other large buggies such as those from Gordon (it's also closer to American baja trucks than to 4WD Dakar cars).

[MartijnS]

De Rooij with 3 trucks, Gerard de Rooij, Ton van Genugten and Ales Loprais in South America ;)

[Tom206wrc]

When is entrylist of Rallye Oillybya du Maroc published :confused:

Latest rumours talk about two Peugeot 2008 DKR on this race with Sainz and...Loeb ;)

[Rally Power]

Not the most reliable source, but Autosport.pt reported yesterday that Loeb will be driving a 2008 DKR in next Dakar. The announcement will be made next week before Maroc Rally, in which Loeb will race the car for the first time.

http://autosport.pt/sebastien-loeb-com-a-peugeot-no-dakar-2016=f139008

[MitFan]

Toyota going to Morocco
http://motoring.iafrica.com/motorsport/1007182.html

[makinen_fan]

Loeb confirmed for 2016!

Peugeot Sport ‏@peugeotsport 4m4 minutes ago
The #Peugeot2008DKR dream team @SebastienLoeb @CSainz_oficial @cyrildespres @s_peterhansel

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQBMQAnW8AAu934.jpg

[EightGear]

Very nice, will be very interesting. Good to see Elena back with him as well.

[MartijnS]

Yes, really nice. Curious about his pace in Morocco next week.

[Mirek]

Funny promo video from Peugeot: https://video-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xat1/v/t43.1792-2/12014888_1155591974454904_773519079_n.mp4?efg=eyJy bHIiOjIwOTEsInJsYSI6NDA5NiwidmVuY29kZV90YWciOiJoZC J9&rl=2091&vabr=1394&oh=b2c6883bf332094b0a5c6ce8fe976d78&oe=560AA802

[MartijnS]

Villagra also with a De Rooij Torpedo truck in Dakar. So 3 Torpedo's, 1 regular truck for Team de Rooij.

[MitFan]

http://webdocs.npo.fr/RALLYEMAROC/MAROC2015/LISTE/EntryListFIA-ForValidationDef3.pdf

Rallye Oilibya Maroc should be interesting

[Tom206wrc]

Indeed great entrylist in Morocco :bounce:

[dimviii]

Daniel Elenas cockpit view

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQenXVxWwAAuS1J.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Is Peugeot racing the old 2008 DKR? I thought the new one would make its debut here
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQiPMbwWcAAQ4V-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQiyUaTWUAA6-cS.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Is Peugeot racing the old 2008 DKR? I thought the new one would make its debut here


Sainz with the new one. here are side by side
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12143339_1030010127043876_630296667971197606_n.jpg ?oh=fc229dba49bb935e32d3fcf1d571995d&oe=56D1ECFD

[MitFan]

Morocco Live Tracking:
http://www.npolive.com/positions/

[Mirek]

Loeb already in trouble or only missing time?

[MitFan]

Technical problem
https://twitter.com/peugeotsport

[makinen_fan]

Npo Rallye
4 mins ·
‪#‎OiLibyaMaroc‬ Sébastien Loeb just passed the finish line, towed by the truck number 471 of Steven Rotsaert

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeVmmguNPNk&feature=youtu.be

[makinen_fan]

Any french speaker that can translate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkIg0ZI0EdI

[dimviii]

Any french speaker that can translate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkIg0ZI0EdI

in English
http://peugeot-media.com/audio.php?nav=1139&langue=en

[makinen_fan]

First day short review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6oZ_14yTyM

[raybak]

Hirvonen quick today. Watching split times and Loeb started 8 mins ahead of Mikko and hasn't passed the waypoint and Mikko has.

Sainz quickest to 3rd waypoint.

Ray

[Tom206wrc]

Unfortuneately Loeb was again in trouble today wednesday after 65km of leg: he almost rolled his 2008 in the dunes and had to wait about 3 hours someone to help him to get back on his wheels :(

[MitFan]

Looks like Al Attiyah is going steady. Keeping an eye on Vasiliev rather than Sainz

[Mirek]

can Nasser even drive so? I thought he always tries to be first no matter what.

[MitFan]

can Nasser even drive so? I thought he always tries to be first no matter what.

Yes yes but i think they are trying to win the FIA championship with this race.. I think he needs to beat Vasiliev only to do that. With today's stage we'll know.. With over five minutes behind Sainz we might see him up the pace.

[MartijnS]

Sainz again fastest splittime. Speed of the Peugeot looks decent.

[MitFan]

Sainz in trouble. Stopped just after CP1. Hasnt reached CP2 yet (15 minutes since leader at CP2 Al Rajhi)

[makinen_fan]

Peugeot Sport ‏@peugeotsport 1m1 minute ago
#Rallymaroc @CSainz_oficial retired. His #Peugeot2008DKR16 is going to Erfoud for 8days testing. 1SS to go @SebastienLoeb

[MartijnS]

Prokop is doing Dakar with an Overdrive Toyota! :)

[dimviii]

Prokop is doing Dakar with an Overdrive Toyota! :)

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/october/prokop-dakar/page/2888--12-12-.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Tom206wrc]

Official(or almost): Porsche endurance driver Romain Dumas will drive a private Peugeot 2008 DKR in Dakar 2016(announced on Twitter of his partner Yacco SAS(make of oïl for engines produced in France) :)

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

2015 or 2016 spec..?

[MartijnS]

Xavi Pons with a Ford Ranger!

[Tom206wrc]

2015 or 2016 spec..?


2015 + I'd say ;)

[Grant_RSA]

Toyota Team and car

http://www.imperialtoyota.co.za/article/toyota-gazoo-racing-sa-all-set-to-tackle-2016-dakar-rally

[MitFan]

Looks like many improvements to the Dakar race car from the one we saw at Morocco. Lets wait and see. Toyota seems like the best prepared to take the fight to Mini - 2016

http://www.imperialtoyota.co.za/article/toyota-gazoo-racing-sa-all-set-to-tackle-2016-dakar-rally[/QUOTE]

[MitFan]

Dakar competitor list
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/us/rider/rider-list-cars.html#ancre
No surprises.

De Villiers car spec shows 310kw which is about 415 hp... Mini shows 320 hp ... Diesel torque gives it the edge but could these power output figures be real?

[Mirek]

Albert Llovera will drive a third Tatra truck from Bonver team. Hopefully they can finally do the event without major issues for Artur Ardavicius who stays as the no.1 driver.

[manthey]

2015 or 2016 spec..?

seems he bought the latest spec...Dkr15+
http://www.romaindumas.com/en/return-to-dakar-rally-with-mecenat-chirurgie-cardiaque-and-the-peugeot-2008-dkr15/

[Rally Power]

seems he bought the latest spec...Dkr15+
http://www.romaindumas.com/en/return-to-dakar-rally-with-mecenat-chirurgie-cardiaque-and-the-peugeot-2008-dkr15/

It's probably a 2015 version with some upgrades. The new car is longer (spare wheels side placed).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-__h8sPrq1VM/VgEP-dvjKQI/AAAAAAABAms/hActmbQnMLQ/s1600/Peugeot-2008-DKR16-2.jpeg

Either way, Dumas contribution to that children NGO it's great!

[vino_93]

Yes it's the 2015 with some evos. It's what Loeb used in Morocco, and Peterhansel / Despres in Grand China Rally.

[Eli]

which channel broadcasts the dakar this year?

[itix]

It's on their website... I know Eurosport does

More importantly, when's the first leg? I find no such info

[raybak]

Prologue on Saturday then 1st stage Sunday.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Where I can find the high resolution Dakar photos..?

[CameraMan]

Hello, just like the last year, rally-video.eu team invites you to watch and follow the results of the Dakar rally live on our platform #DakarTiming: http://dakar.rally-video.eu
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[itix]

Tomorrow's the first stage proper... will be interesting to see the if the budget money Peugot easily could have used to get back into WRC was well spent or not (I have some veeeery serious doubts).

[pantealex]

Tomorrow's the first stage proper... will be interesting to see the if the budget money Peugot easily could have used to get back into WRC was well spent or not (I have some veeeery serious doubts).

even Toyota is faster/reliable than Peugeot...

[N.O.T]

Does anyone have the itinerary with start times for each stage ? I think we should have this thread appear in the WRC and ERC section of the forum as well at least for the duration of the event.

[EightGear]

Rosario right now..

850

[noel157]

Long straight with jumps lined by spectators = accident. Hope injured are ok.

SS1 delayed.

[MartijnS]

Ss1 Cancelled for Motors and Quads. Not sure for cars/trucks yet.

Good start for Ten Brinke at least!

[Simmi]

Looks like some early damage for Sainz too through a watersplash?

[EightGear]

Stage 1 cancelled for everyone.

[MartijnS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXzHV5cWkAAg-yI.jpg:large

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

even Toyota is faster/reliable than Peugeot...
And Peugeot is RWD..

[Mirek]

That itself isn't necessary a disadvantage. 2WD have a lot more free rules. They have much bigger suspension travel, a lot less weight, bigger wheels etc. Peugeot clearly decided for 2WD because they saw a potential there otherwise they would opt for 4WD.

[dimviii]

Looks like some early damage for Sainz too through a watersplash?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXyUYFdWEAALDPd.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXyUYQJWAAADNNv.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXyUYZcWQAA0uzG.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXyUYhNWMAI7cVS.jpg

[Mirek]

Doesn't look very well when such thing happens already in the first water splash of the event.

[noel157]

If water does that what will a wave of sand do?

[N.O.T]

If water does that what will a wave of sand do?

far less, different physical properties.

[Rally Power]

Peugeot clearly decided for 2WD because they saw a potential there otherwise they would opt for 4WD.

Maybe they opted for 2wd simply because their feared direct class confrontation with X Raid...seeing their crap '15 proto and the need for an almost new car in '16 it makes more sense...

Without Chile's desert stages and with such bad weather they could end in another disaster campaign. Let's hope not, Peugeot drivers and technicians deserves better.

[MartijnS]

Today's stage shortened but will go trough. Motors do 354 km instead of 450. Cars and trucks 387 instead of 510 km.

[MitFan]

Maybe they opted for 2wd simply because their feared direct class confrontation with X Raid...seeing their crap '15 proto and the need for an almost new car in '16 it makes more sense...

Without Chile's desert stages and with such bad weather they could end in another disaster campaign. Let's hope not, Peugeot drivers and technicians deserves better.


Peugeot is only in the their 2nd year after re-entry to the Dakar. It's too soon to expect them to win. VW took 5 years to win the Dakar. They too invested in Diesel since they saw potential in it at that time. Regulation has since changed favoring the 2WD buggies. Peugeot has already demonstrated speed (Morocco). With reliability and fine tuning they are bound to be on the first step of the podium in a couple of years!!

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

What's the different between Baja 1000 spec TT & Dakar 2WD buggies.?

[rage82]

Loeb is leading the stage after 2 checkpoints.
Sainz apparently with problems 13 min. slower then Al- Attiayh

[Mirek]

Which tracking do You use? I tried official one - didn't work and trackingdakar.nl but that doesn't work well either - often refuses to switch categories.

[rage82]

The official one. I also have some problems a bit earlier but it works just fine now.

[makinen_fan]

trackingdakar.nl is fixed now and shows each category on its own as it suppose to.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX40kSbWAAEPw4u.jpg:large

[N.O.T]

Looks like loeb will win the first stage, already 1.16 ahead at wp6.

[EstWRC]

this man is just unbelievable, i just have no words for him.

[N.O.T]

If there was a steering wheel in politics Loeb would achieve world peace.

[makinen_fan]

A lot of mud!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX45_CaWsAAtNkD.jpg:large

[kubiczech]

Carlos is driving in anger!!! ... between wp3 (where he had his problem) and wp7, he made up 2 minutes on Loeb


edit: according to Peugeot Sport Twitter, his problem was: "engine stopped" ... he lost 13 minutes

[Mirek]

Maybe they opted for 2wd simply because their feared direct class confrontation with X Raid...seeing their crap '15 proto and the need for an almost new car in '16 it makes more sense...

That's some serious tinfoil hat theory.


Without Chile's desert stages and with such bad weather they could end in another disaster campaign. Let's hope not, Peugeot drivers and technicians deserves better.

They have been clearly fastest in the mud today.

[Mirek]

Sebastien Loeb has made it true - he won his first ever Dakar leg!

[N.O.T]

Loeb 2.23 ahead at the finish.

[rage82]

Sebastien Loeb has made it true - he won his first ever Dakar leg!
That's a thing not many people maybe were expecting. Happy for him! Let's see if he can keep his momentum.
Not so bad stage time for Mikko in his first Dakar though.

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[MartijnS]

Pons I guess!

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/vb.104027932989856/1041146382611335/?type=2&theater

[Rally Power]

That's some serious tinfoil hat theory.

You should be more informed before throwing 'tinfoil hats' into other people heads...

It was Farmin himself that admitted XRaid was the dominant force and it would be hard for Peugeot to get a 4wd car at their level.

"Bruno Famin, Peugeot Sport Director, comparing the new 2008 DKR with the Dakar-winning Mini. "Since they've mastered four-wheel-drive, we have chosen to focus on optimising two-wheel-drive, which offers a number of intriguing benefits.""
http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331662889831/peugeot-2008-dkr-tech-specs-and-action-images

Peugeot was limited by time (they had just one year between the program green light and the start of '15 Dakar) and by human resources shortness (the end of LeMans program took many brains away from Velizy). These problems were visible in their '15 uncompetitive car and forced them to design a new car for '16. It seems this time they've done a proper job and can get the 2wd regs features to cope with 4wd machinery.

Beside this 'why have they done it' debate, what really matters now is to see this year Dakar becaming a hell of a fight between Mini, Toyota and Peugeot and one of the ex WRC guys getting the victory!

[Mirek]

You stated that they chose 2WD because they were afraid to loose with other 4WD. Now You even claim they admitted so. That's a misinterpretation as nothing like that is written in Famin's quote You posted. He just said they chose an alternative way as they saw certain benefits of doing so. Nothing more nothing less. You may feel to see something between the lines what isn't there.

The point is that no manufacturer decides to spend billions to be just a bunch of shiny looking losers. I'm pretty sure that they chose what they chose because their analysis showed them it can be beneficial. The fact they didn't succeed in the first attempt doesn't change it.

[MartijnS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX5pEM6W8AAPtF0.jpg:large

Roma again no candidate for the victory again after the first stage.
Everybody got stuck on the same part, incredible.
Van Loon passed the spot very slowly next to the path after seeing other stuck.

[mousti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz_tpSNQRNg

[MartijnS]

Twitteraccount of the Renault Truck #509 of vd Brink posted a photo of the truck burned down to the ground, they removed the tweet however.

Edit; nothing can be removed from the internet ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX539NqW8AAH96O.jpg:large

[Rally Power]

You stated that they chose 2WD because they were afraid to loose with other 4WD. Now You even claim they admitted so. That's a misinterpretation as nothing like that is written in Famin's quote You posted. He just said they chose an alternative way as they saw certain benefits of doing so. Nothing more nothing less. You may feel to see something between the lines what isn't there.
The point is that no manufacturer decides to spend billions to be just a bunch of shiny looking losers. I'm pretty sure that they chose what they chose because their analysis showed them it can be beneficial. The fact they didn't succeed in the first attempt doesn't change it.

The "Since they've mastered four-wheel-drive, we have chosen to focus on optimising two-wheel-drive" Famin words are chrystal clear and there's no possible misinterpretation on how the 2wd option come as an alternative solution in order to face limited time and human resources on Peugeot '15 Dakar project.

But you're probably right in one point: none of the billion funded motorsport failed programes have failed by purpose...

[focus206]

Congratulations to Loeb, very nice start. That mud stopped Roma, Gordon and others, did anyone retire? Also, can we expect more sections like that in next days?

[dimviii]

What happened and Kamaz are not on pace?
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/fr/etape-300/classements/general-camions.html#ancre

[MartijnS]

Dutch for the win! ;) I believe nothing happened. Teams of de Rooij and Stacey/Versluis have got good material.

[Mirek]

What happened and Kamaz are not on pace?
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/fr/etape-300/classements/general-camions.html#ancre

Last year they had quite a slow start too. Wait for the second half of the rally to judge. Anyway it looks good for the competition especially since the teams of Iveco and Man are very strong this year. Sadly Kolomý seems to be again alone in the battle and that makes it twice more difficult (Valtr was for some reason very slow today) .

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX6JR5gWkAEvVuv.jpg:large

[Oppositelock]

The "Since they've mastered four-wheel-drive, we have chosen to focus on optimising two-wheel-drive" Famin words are chrystal clear and there's no possible misinterpretation on how the 2wd option come as an alternative solution in order to face limited time and human resources on Peugeot '15 Dakar project.

But you're probably right in one point: none of the billion funded motorsport failed programes have failed by purpose...

This is another Famin quote: "The Dakar organizers have two ways of balancing performance: the regulations and the route".

Let's have a look at the regulations: The minimum weight - without fuel - for the Peugeots is nearly 700 kgs less than the turbodiesel Minis, 600 kgs less than the petrol normally aspirated Toyotas (notice the difference between these two 4WD cars). They have nearly double the wheel travel (limited to 250 mm on 4WD cars) and much bigger wheels (37 inch diameter for the Pugs). Plus they can alter the wheel pressure in full flight, which is not allowed for 4WD cars.

That leads to 2WD cars being superior offroad, especially in the desert, 4WD cars having advantages on tracks, especially with lots of corners.

Now have a look at the route: In Africa roughly 90 per cent of the stages were offroad/desert. In South American Dakar this was reduced to something like 40 per cent. Alss the organisers changed the rules in favour of 2WD cars, mainly because this formerly was a privateer category.

Peugeot is the first factory team seriously trying to win with a 2WD buggy.

Even X-Raid is evaluating the 2WD concept. Since last year they are running a buggy (Guerlain Chicherit, no. 324) alongside their Minis. It's powered by a Chevrolet V8 petrol engine and this year for the first time built around a X-Raid developped chassis.

Because Chile and Peru pulled out unfortunately - for Peugeot - the 2016 route has only something like two days of offroad driving.

After Rally Morocco Nasser Al-Attiyah was quite convinced to beat even the all-new Pugs because there they were not much faster in the desert than the Minis, and the Minis were still faster on tracks.

So it's quite interesting that at the Dakar 2016 already one stage with theoretically 4WD advantages was cancelled and the other was won by a Pug.

[Mirek]

Quite a lot of crews got penalties for speeding - Vasilyev, Al Attiyah, Despres, Prokop and others 1 minute, Al Rahji even 5 minutes. In bikes Faria, Svitko (1 min), Jakeš (2 min). No penalties in trucks.

Czech media report that the fire of Van de Brink's Renault was caused by an accident. They also wrote that the reason for very bad time of second official Tatra truck (Valtr) was caused by a problem with front differential and a puncture.

Heavy rainstorm is reported somewhere around 100th km of today's special.

[makinen_fan]

Again shortened route

The day's timed section will therefore start shortly after the initially planned CP1 (after 112.91 km) and finish after 314 km as planned. As a result, the special will be slightly less than 200 kilometres in length.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Not sure if this is Dakar Rally or Safari Rally.. :P

[dimviii]

Sébastien Loeb_WRC ‏@Loeb_Seb1

Loeb quickest so far at WP4 0:25.29 +8.0s from De Villiers. #Dakar2016 #Peugeot2008DKR

[Mirek]

Further extending his lead at WP5.

[dimviii]

Peugeot Sport ‏@peugeotsport 4 λεπτάΠριν από 4 λεπτά

#Dakar2016 SS3.WP4
LOEB 25m29s
2.Poult+4s
3.DeVi+8s
4.Al-At+12s
5.Hirv+17s
6.TenBr+23s
7.SAINZ+27s
8.PETER+28s
9.Alra+1m16s
12.DESPRES+1m28s



Sébastien Loeb_WRC ‏@Loeb_Seb1 5 λεπτάΠριν από 5 λεπτά

Séb passed WP5 with a time of 0:44.10, +0.52s quicker than Peterhansel, #Dakar2016 #Peugeot2008DKR

[makinen_fan]

Sébastien Loeb_WRC ‏@Loeb_Seb1

Loeb quickest so far at WP4 0:25.29 +8.0s from De Villiers. #Dakar2016 #Peugeot2008DKR

at WP5 he is much faster than anyone, 52s ahead of Peterhansel. These stage were supposed to favour the 4wd Mini and Toyota but the two Pugs are leading

btw Dim thats not his official account

[dimviii]

btw Dim thats not his official account

yes i know,just a fan.

[MartijnS]

Czech media report that the fire of Van de Brink's Renault was caused by an accident.


it was a technical issue with the brakes running hot or something. They are not sure as everything went into flames, but think it was the brakes. No crash or accident in any case.

[Mirek]

Now Sainz joined the party and Peugeot trio is leading.


it was a technical issue with the brakes running hot or something. They are not sure as everything went into flames, but think it was the brakes. No crash or accident in any case.

Thanks. Brake liquid is indeed very flammable and quite frequent cause of fire.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX6QOmHWQAAsbsi.jpg

[Mirek]

4WD faster between WP5 and WP6 however Loeb keeps the lead.

[dimviii]

Peugeot Sport ‏@peugeotsport 17 λεπτάΠριν από 17 λεπτά

#Dakar2016 SS3.WP6
LOEB 1h26m27s
2.Al-At+27s
3.DeVil+57s
4.SAINZ+1m2s
5.PETER+1m39s
6.Poult+1m50s
7.Hirv+1m51s
8.TenB+1m58s
12.DESPRES+4m22s

[makinen_fan]

13:16 : The truck race is stopped!
The trucks, the last vehicles to tackle the day’s special, have unfortunately fallen victim to the poor weather conditions. A part of the track has caved in after CP2, making the route thereafter impassable for this category.

[dimviii]

Rallye-Sport.fr ‏@RallyeSport

#Dakar2016 2e victoire confirmée pour Sébastien Loeb ! Al-Attiyah +1’25, De Villiers +2’02, Hirvonen +2’49

[Mirek]

13:16 : The truck race is stopped!
The trucks, the last vehicles to tackle the day’s special, have unfortunately fallen victim to the poor weather conditions. A part of the track has caved in after CP2, making the route thereafter impassable for this category.

Shit, I just came home looking into the strange results but seeing Kolomý in the lead I was kinda pleased. This just sucks.

[dimviii]

Standings after SS3 1 Loeb
2 De Villiers +5:03
3 Peterhansel +5:15
4 Al-Attiyah +5:43
5 Hirvonen +5:52
6 Poulter +6:43

[MartijnS]

Shit, I just came home looking into the strange results but seeing Kolomý in the lead I was kinda pleased. This just sucks.

Stage does count for the overall classification.

1. Kolomy 1h4240s
2. Stacey +0'17
3. Villagra +0'54
4. Versluis +1'55
5. Mardeev +2'46
6. Van Genugten +3'04
7. Viazovich +3'35
8. De Rooy +4'28
9. Macik +5'58
10. Loprais +8'52

[Mirek]

Great, first ever leg win for Kolomý and a win for Tatra after some time. I'm happy for that :) Also great result for young Macík. His old-style looking Liaz has a new Buggyra engine just like Kolomý or Valtr. Valtr started very late today but he seems to be heading to top 10 too.

Edit: Valtr lost time at the end.

Edit2: Looks like very very bad leg for Kamaz! Nikolaev 16th, Sotnikov 24th, Karginov 32nd Mardeev 36th... huh

Edit3: Kolomý with 10 min penalty dropping from 2nd to 6th :(

[dimviii]

Kamaz changed something at their trucks from last year?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

^ Nose surgery..

[dimviii]

Loeb comments after each stage
stage#2
https://www.redbulletin.com/fr/fr/sport/le-blog-de-sebastien-loeb-2

stage#3
https://www.redbulletin.com/fr/fr/sport/le-blog-de-sebastien-loeb-3


works ok with google translate in English

[Mirek]

Kamaz changed something at their trucks from last year?

Some months a go they presented a truck with long nose, Mercedes cabin and Buggyra engine but those trucks which are now in the race are looking same as last year. I don't know what happend, maybe some split with Mercedes, maybe something connected to the sanctions against Russia. I don't know.

[dimviii]

stage 2 video from Tatra trucks
https://youtu.be/bVqEpsUE6iM

[EightGear]

Just saw a video of the day 1 accident. Very shocking...

[Mirek]

Prokop had a puncture today.

[Rally Power]

This is another Famin quote: "The Dakar organizers have two ways of balancing performance: the regulations and the route".
Let's have a look at the regulations: The minimum weight - without fuel - for the Peugeots is nearly 700 kgs less than the turbodiesel Minis, 600 kgs less than the petrol normally aspirated Toyotas (notice the difference between these two 4WD cars). They have nearly double the wheel travel (limited to 250 mm on 4WD cars) and much bigger wheels (37 inch diameter for the Pugs). Plus they can alter the wheel pressure in full flight, which is not allowed for 4WD cars.
That leads to 2WD cars being superior offroad, especially in the desert, 4WD cars having advantages on tracks, especially with lots of corners.
Now have a look at the route: In Africa roughly 90 per cent of the stages were offroad/desert. In South American Dakar this was reduced to something like 40 per cent. Alss the organisers changed the rules in favour of 2WD cars, mainly because this formerly was a privateer category.
Peugeot is the first factory team seriously trying to win with a 2WD buggy.
Even X-Raid is evaluating the 2WD concept. Since last year they are running a buggy (Guerlain Chicherit, no. 324) alongside their Minis. It's powered by a Chevrolet V8 petrol engine and this year for the first time built around a X-Raid developped chassis.
Because Chile and Peru pulled out unfortunately - for Peugeot - the 2016 route has only something like two days of offroad driving.
After Rally Morocco Nasser Al-Attiyah was quite convinced to beat even the all-new Pugs because there they were not much faster in the desert than the Minis, and the Minis were still faster on tracks.
So it's quite interesting that at the Dakar 2016 already one stage with theoretically 4WD advantages was cancelled and the other was won by a Pug.

Yep, it's really an unpredictable Dakar. It even seems to got some Monte Carlo flair: changing weather; tricky roads and Loeb at the front!

The limited time frame was determinant for Peugeot choice, but surely they've got some kind of promise from ASO that 2wd regs wouldn't change for some time and the routes would be chosen in a balanced way (Peru pull out was totally unexpected).

Above all, it's great to see they've managed to make a new competitive car, after their quicly developed '15 version. Good for Peugeot, good for the race!

[MartijnS]

Some months a go they presented a truck with long nose, Mercedes cabin and Buggyra engine but those trucks which are now in the race are looking same as last year. I don't know what happend, maybe some split with Mercedes, maybe something connected to the sanctions against Russia. I don't know.

Gerard de Rooij said on Dutch tv that it was not allowed because of the mix of two brands or something like that.

[Mirek]

There was a deal between Kamaz and Mercedes about some sort of joint venture in Kazan (perhaps the Kamaz truck with Mercedes cabin should have been produced there). Maybe the deal was blocked by politics and sanctions and as such the "mixed" truck became illegal for the race. That's just my assumption.

In fact Tatra uses DAF cabins for Phoenix model (Valtr has it on Dakar) and it's no issue when it's part of stock production.

Anyway it looks like there is a real performance step from year to year and Kamaz looks somewhat unprepared. Let's see later.

[makinen_fan]

This is the video of the prologue stage crash. It's a miracle no one was killed
https://www.facebook.com/automovilismo.real/videos/1545149519134337/

[dimviii]

stage#4 Loeb report
https://www.redbulletin.com/fr/fr/sport/le-blog-de-sebastien-loeb-4

[dimviii]

Stage 4 WP2 @dakar
1 Peterhansel
2 Loeb +32s
3 Nasser +50s
4 Hirvonen +1:34
5 De Villiers +1:41
6 Sainz +3:02

[dimviii]

#Dakar2016 Étape 4 WP4
1°Peterhansel 1:20.33
2° @Loeb_Seb1 +50s
3°Al-Attiyah +1:05
4° @CSainz_oficial +2:28
5° @MikkoWRC +2:42
#RallyeRaid

[Mirek]

Tatra Buggyra video leg 3 (English subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRubUDN4KaI

[omer yetis]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX6QOmHWQAAsbsi.jpg


is he trying to do a nose wheelie?
:)

[makinen_fan]

At WP9, the Pugs really opened the gap. Peterhansel 1m in the lead from Seb and Carlos. Everyone else is 3min behind

[dimviii]

is he trying to do a nose wheelie?
:)

Νο its just Nose end first.http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/biggrin.gif

[focus206]

Nice to see the Peugeot team so high in the rankings, 4 cars in top 8. Let's hope reliability won't be a big issue so to enjoy a fight with the Minis, do anyone recall which were the biggest problems for Peugeot last year?

[Mirek]

Prokop rolled today.

[Rally Power]

do anyone recall which were the biggest problems for Peugeot last year?

The overall design!

http://pilote-de-course.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/rallye-du-Maroc-2015-2008-DKR15-DKR16.jpg

Petherhansel words on '16 car:
“You can really feel the difference now that the car is longer and wider, with a lower centre of gravity, because it’s a lot more stable so cornering speeds are faster. You can feel the difference in the engine as well: not only is it more powerful but also you can use all the power even at low revs. We’ve almost got a ‘problem’ now of how to manage all that power most effectively, but this is a very nice problem to have. We’re still not at the maximum of our capabilities, but testing has been very productive so far.”

The new suspension geometry also helped getting it more stable and easy to push to the limits. The '16 changes weren't only small evolutions like Famin said, it's a whole new car, designed with drivers inputs (mostly SP). This time it seems they've got it right!

[stefanvv]

“You can really feel the difference now that the car is longer and wider....

It is looking smaller to me, but doesn't matter as soon as it is going so fast.

[dimviii]

Prokop rolled today.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYE1a0mWsAAqsS2.jpg

[makinen_fan]

It is looking smaller to me, but doesn't matter as soon as it is going so fast.

See this video. It shows all the changes very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUDSY5ktBE

[stefanvv]

See this video. It shows all the changes very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUDSY5ktBE

ahym, thanks

[Mirek]

Yesterday's leg was first part of a marathon leg which means there was no service tonight. Am I right?

[MartijnS]

Yes, correct.

[Mirek]

Some info from our media.

Malysz helped Prokop to get back on the wheels.
Loprais had a serious problem with wheel bearing of his Iveco and may be out of the race due to no available service tonight.
Kolomý complained about lack of power in the high altitude but otherwise said it was ok.

[Mirek]

Prokop's car before start from his facebook page (they spent allowed time on more important things and the remaining puncture will be changed today right after the start of first liason):
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/10565130_791508560955534_2925631925196131488_n.jpg ?oh=58df8da56b52e62ddde28f9967a64249&oe=5740674A

[kubiczech]

live from the stage:
http://livestream.com/accounts/10468276/BtvDeportes?t=1452174431540

[René]

Thanks Kubiczech ;)

[dimviii]

ss5 wp1 at about 30 minutes race

Loeb
Sainz +32
Nasser +39
Peterhansel +41

[René]

Roma +2.29 WP1 ???

[Mad cat jnr]

Nice to see Mr Loeb is making Dakar as predictable as WRC...(nothing against Loeb his just unbeatable).

I guess we will see Nasser buying himself a seat in a Peugeot for next year...

[René]

Or leaving the car sport definitively for the ball trap :)

[Mirek]

Today they reach altitude up to 4600 meters!

[René]

Yep ! And it was certainly very difficult physically!

[Mirek]

Top 3 in the leg for Peugeot and another scratch for Loeb.

Loprais unofficially out with broken wheel bearing from yesterday.

[MartijnS]

Peugeot rules for now indeed.
Team de Rooij confirms exit of Loprais on Facebook.

[dimviii]

overall standings including ss5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYIu0_qWwAAN-7Z.jpg

[Mirek]

Gyus do You know what does it mean on trackingdakar when a split is undercolored by red or yellow?

Despres with the 4th official Peugeot suffered from electrical problems today and lost 1 hour and 15 minutes.

[makinen_fan]

Gyus do You know what does it mean on trackingdakar when a split is undercolored by red or yellow?

Do you have a screenshot? I cannot see such a thing

[Mirek]

It's on Live Timing Monitor. http://www.trackingdakar.nl/live.php?type=C

I found that it appears when "Highlights" is on (upper right corner) and it shall show remarkable changes (yellow -> red = bad (time loss) to worst (stopped) and green = good, for example moving again).

[makinen_fan]

Oh thanks. I used only the normal view, not the Live timing, so far. I will try it tomorrow

[itix]

Damn Loeb is a fantastic driver.

[Mirek]

Beautiful video from Tatra Buggyra stage 4 with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVX3RsKTnCY

[Mirek]

And already a video from leg 5. Some dangerous drops there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seJMzZZixvU

[makinen_fan]

See from 1:15, its crazy!
https://youtu.be/IXca6vesazg

[dimviii]

Loeb has lost about half his gap from Peterhansel.He continuesly loosing time at this long stage.

http://gaps.dakar.com/2016/dakar/stage-07/aso/ukie.php

[rayh_mx]

At WP9, almost 3:41 behind Peterhansel in Third, Sainz -1:02 in second

[dimviii]

wp11
Peterhansel
Sainz +1,00
Loeb +3,27
Nasser +7,46

[dimviii]

We have new leader ,Loeb lost 8 minutes at wp12 to Peterhansel

[rayh_mx]

We have new leader ,Loeb lost 8 minutes at wp12 to Peterhansel

Lost 8:15 at finish. PeterHansel (& Gretel) new leader

[rayh_mx]

General

Peterhansel
Loeb +0,27
Sainz +5,55
Nasser +15,19

[cosmin_sb]

What happened with Loeb at the final of the stage?

[René]

What happened with Loeb at the final of the stage?


Turbo out !

[EstWRC]

damn shame, He will take it back!

[dimviii]

Turbo out !

source?

[TWRC]

Via Rallysupport.nl:
"Bernhard ten Brinke OUT, ten Brinke's Toyota Hilux caught fire a few kilometers before the end of the stage. CREW OK!"

[dimviii]

havent got a source,just found it at French forum

Sebastien Loeb:



"We had a puncture at kilometer 100, and then we had the accelerator that is stuck to the bottom. We had to ride with the circuit breaker, and I took a stone, which forced us to change a wheel. It was very complicated. It's like that. The three Peugeot are still before the general, dominates. Overall it was going quite well until today when we lose big. The clocks are reset, we have to start over. But the feeling is good, and the car works well. No specific problem.

[René]

source?

French TV

[dimviii]

French TV

about today stage or yesterday? At red bull site they mentioned turbo problems for yesterday stage for Despres.

[dimviii]

Via Rallysupport.nl:
"Bernhard ten Brinke OUT, ten Brinke's Toyota Hilux caught fire a few kilometers before the end of the stage. CREW OK!"

video
https://twitter.com/fernischumi?lang=el

[dimviii]

Nasser
“We tried to push, you know, but we cannot, because the Peugeots are going really fast and every day we lose four or eight minutes. But what can we do? We're just trying to save our positon. It's a very bad feeling, but we know that their buggy is fast. We'll see - we have how many days left? We'll try and finish in the top three. There are no better stages for the 4x4, because their buggy is going really well everywhere, on rally tracks and off-road”.

Peterhansel
“It was a good day to day. I saw nobody today, just sometimes I saw dust. I did see Seb at the last 20 kilometres before the end. He had a puncture and I overtook him, but during all the day I was alone, trying to be completely focused on the track, because it was a really long stage. Since the beginning we've only had stages with tracks. There have been no dunes and no soft sand, so a lot of things can still happen and the car is still young, so we will see”.

[dimviii]

photo from one of Sebs flat tyre change

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYOt277WYAAd8kT.jpg:large

[mousti]

video
https://twitter.com/fernischumi?lang=el

Fire due to the flat tire in the trunk was very hot and engaged a fire..

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 5 met Tapatalk

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skFBV-Sok2A&feature=youtu.be&a

[dimviii]

photos
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/rallye-dakar/bilder-rallye-dakar/

[Mirek]

Some little info from our media. Prokop crashed again yesterday, this time his car ended on the side next to the road and several by-standing soldiers were unable to get it back on the wheels. Some team colleague later pulled the car back. Kolomý had a health problem with an inflamed ear, after the leg he had to undergo a small surgery. According to Macík yesterday's stage was too boring for trucks except for first rough part the second half was all the time on speed limiter...

Video Tatra Buggyra stage 6 with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx6E6KMh6dI

Several big moments in the video! When they hit the big drop in the stage they complain on the onboard that it's marked wrong in the itinerary.

[N.O.T]

Loeb already 1min ahead of Peterhansel after wp1.

[N.O.T]

Today the crews pass the border from Bolivia to Argentina so the special stage has 2 timed sections with a road section between.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYO_1DTWcAAOmVo.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYO_0_SWEAMqF7t.jpg

[MitFan]

Looks like they have gone through the Bermuda Triangle.. no movement on live tracking for awhile..

[N.O.T]

yes there was a delay now Loeb on wp5 3.30 mins ahead of Peterhansel and 2 mins ahead of Sainz.

The stage in Bolivia is over, the Argentina part starts in a while.

[N.O.T]

Race is suspended at the 2nd timed section for now due to thunderstorms.

[MitFan]

yes there was a delay now Loeb on wp5 3.30 mins ahead of Peterhansel and 2 mins ahead of Sainz.

The stage in Bolivia is over, the Argentina part starts in a while.

Maybe Loeb's accelerator stuck at full throttle today too :D

[EstWRC]

Go Loeb!

[dimviii]

impressive pace till today from Master.
Dont forget that Petarhansel has about 8-9? wins at Dakar.Also winners at Dakar are Sainz,Nasser,Roma,De Villiers,Despres several wins with motos etc.
Some of them counts more than 10 times at Dakar.

[mousti]

impressive pace till today from Master.
Dont forget that Petarhansel has about 8-9? wins at Dakar.Also winners at Dakar are Sainz,Nasser,Roma,De Villiers,Despres several wins with motos etc.
Some of them counts more than 10 times at Dakar.
67 stage wins has Peterhansel (33-34)

[René]

Bikes keep crossing the border !

http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/11/47/50/08/border10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/view/11475008/415)

[René]

Truck fairplay !

https://twitter.com/fernischumi/media

[dimviii]

Truck fairplay !

https://twitter.com/fernischumi/media

what a nice video!

[N.O.T]

the race continues for the cars after the thunderstorm.

[dimviii]

67 stage wins has Peterhansel (33-34)

both cars and bikes.

[dimviii]

the race continues for the cars after the thunderstorm.

wouldnt be floaded the roads? must be tricky..

[mousti]

both cars and bikes.

Yes that's the 33-34 meaning :p

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[René]

wouldnt be floaded the roads? must be tricky..

For the 2008 it wouldnt be a problem ;)

http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/11/47/50/08/2008_d10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/view/11475008/416)

[René]

the start of the 2nd part of the stage is in 10 mn (For the cars only)

[MitFan]

WP6 & 7 showing Sainz & Peter only... whats going on?

[René]

Tracking system failed??

[Mirek]

Kolomý lost 1,5 hours :(

[MitFan]

Tracking system failed??

Looks like it.. Showing Loeb in 7 now but not in 6