Dakar 2016

[vino_93]

Another Dutch victory at the trucks.
Pascal de Baar with the Renault wins in front of Gerard de Rooij! Crazy big differences. Looks like a terrible day for Kamaz if I'm correct.

Nikolaev rolled ... :(

[dimviii]

Nikolaev rolled ... :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYrXbf0WsAAxASM.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYrXbtzWMAAn6bl.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYrXbxDWEAAy2oK.jpg

[dimviii]

cant understand what happened with google translate.Can somebody help?

http://www.legorafi.fr/2016/01/13/paris-dakar-un-pilote-disqualifie-apres-avoir-volontairement-evite-un-spectateur/

[AL14]

cant understand what happened with google translate.Can somebody help?

http://www.legorafi.fr/2016/01/13/paris-dakar-un-pilote-disqualifie-apres-avoir-volontairement-evite-un-spectateur/

LOL, I understand a very little bit french but enough to understand this is a joke. A sort of satiric website.
It says that a driver (Hirvonen in this case) has been disqualified from the Dakar because he avoided a spectator and did not hit him. ;)

[AL14]

:)

https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/10153915783179973/?theater

[Mirek]

Stage 10 video from Tatra Buggyra including recovering of rolled Valtr (also from helmet cams), some chasing etc. English subtitles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsDz7LQMytU&index=1&list=PLH0Av5DXFbhe4rU5QTM2BFuHi7UMBT9xW

Great views of the truck from the bottom :D

[vino_93]

LOL, I understand a very little bit french but enough to understand this is a joke. A sort of satiric website.
It says that a driver (Hirvonen in this case) has been disqualified from the Dakar because he avoided a spectator and did not hit him. ;)

Yes, never trust gorafi, it's a parodic website :p
Once a politicwoman quoted it very seriously on a TV interview ... :p

If you want the translation :
"ASO, the organizer of the race, revealed that finnish driver Mikko Hirvonen and his codriver have been excluded of the race due to having deliberately avoid a spectator.

Error in judgement ? Wrong trajectory ? Hard to explain what pushed the finnish driver to avoid Juan Del Puerto, an argentinan spectator of 22, who didn't see the car arrived in his back at 180 km/h.
"All the conditions were gathered, the driver didn't do his job, I'm revolted." says the young spectator.


The extremely shocked driver still has difficulties to talk. "I screw up, I know I should have strike him with full force. That kind of mistake is fatal." As for the organizer, it indicates that this mistake is unworthy for a professionnel, and it is considering to suspend the driver for the next 5 years of the race."




More seriously, Gonçalves seems in trouble. Fight for third place in bike will interesting to follow between Quintanilla, Méo and Benavides.

[René]

Peterhansel yesterday

https://twitter.com/fernischumi/status/687667930092441601

[N.O.T]

Very tight gaps between the top 3 competitors today, should be an easy stage.

[AL14]

Very tight gaps between the top 3 competitors today, should be an easy stage.

Yes from now on stages will be more like first ones. It is unlikely that we will have changes in the top positions. Maybe Hirvonen could take De Villiers but is very difficult. Impossible if the south african will not make mistakes.

[vino_93]

Loeb stopped at 1 km of finish ! Fortunately Despres was just behind him, and he is towing him (live on french TV)

[René]

Loeb stopped at 1 km of finish ! Fortunately Despres was just behind him, and he is towing him (live on french TV)

At the end of the stage Seb stay 2'13'' front Peter

[vino_93]

Broken shaft drive, anew.
Peterhansel doesn't have mechanical failure until now... so, will it be his time now ?

[dimviii]

https://scontent-mrs1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12507265_10207947772314325_2650618814278279160_n.j pg?oh=eae01111cb11257486ec7834f1cc42f5&oe=5707CA73

[dimviii]

transmission problems for Loeb reported.

[Rally Power]

More seriously, Gonçalves seems in trouble. Fight for third place in bike will interesting to follow between Quintanilla, Méo and Benavides.

Gonçalves had a hard fall. He managed to get into a crowd area were was an ambulance, but he doesn't remember how he got there...at the hospital, after doctors check his head trauma, his first words were "I'll be back!".

Overall, this Dakar second week is being a bit over dramatic and some ASO decisions doesn't help at all. Peugeot must be already preparing the champagne...let's see if XRaid appeal doesn't spoil their party.

[Mirek]

Big crash of Ondřej Klymčiw in which he was badly injured: https://www.facebook.com/klymciwondrej/videos/vb.1435329103407718/1657337197873573/?type=2&theater

[zoolander36]

According to French tele, it has been very hot between Peterhansel and the organizers. It looks like what did Peter is ok due to a failure in the regulation, but ASO doesn't like it.

There's always a dark cloud moving around Pererhansel and his dakar participations. A lot of controversies with him and some of his actions.


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[Mirek]

According to our TV the situation was following. During the meeting with competitors the organizers said that the refueling point was only for bikers but tin the same time they didn't remove it from the roadbooks for cars. In this case I see it as an organization fail.

[zoolander36]

According to our TV the situation was following. During the meeting with competitors the organizers said that the refueling point was only for bikers but tin the same time they didn't remove it from the roadbooks for cars. In this case I see it as an organization fail.

So in this case prevails the roadbook over the meeting with the competitors?


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[Mirek]

In my opinion when something is ambiguous it shall not be a basis for penalty. Usually what matters as a basis for any infringement decision is what is written black on white not what is said. Just saying. We can speak about moral aspects etc. but that's another thing.

[MitFan]

I wish Sven Quandt will immediately withdraw the appeal in true spirit of the Dakar. Yes the organizers made a mistake and probably Peter gained an advantage, how much we don't know. However like a true sportsman Quandt and his team could have struck back on the field rather than fight over a spilled milk. A couple of stages to go and anything can happen. If Mini were to fight on the field and win on the field here on-wards it would be a far more popular team.

[stefanvv]

Yes the organizers made a mistake and probably Peter gained an advantage, how much we don't know.

Not so significant amount I believe.... But there should be more about this, all other crews respected organisers "request"

[MitFan]

Not so significant amount I believe.... But there should be more about this, all other crews respected organisers "request"

Yes, to ensure that such mistakes do not happen again. I have seen only what has been posted in this forum and going by that, a time penalty would go against the spirit of the Dakar.. I feel. The organizers maybe forced to enforce a penalty since Mini has appealed. That's why I felt they should withdraw that appeal. Howcome none of the other teams have protested?

[stefanvv]

Howcome none of the other teams have protested?

May be because not interested not fighting for the victory?!? Kind of "just let it go, not so important". But in general yes, I agree Mini should withdraw this appeal as it is not 100% justified, it is the organisers that should take the responsibility and as I understood they agree with their mistake and everything should go as initially planned.

[Oppositelock]

Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO) - which organizes Tour de France as well - are very professional when it comes to marketing and other sorts of making money. Unfortunately they are quite amateurish in everything around the sporting aspects of the Dakar. That unfortunately includes the regulations as well. That was so long no problem as no or only one proper factory team was at the start.

Anyone remember 2004 when Volkswagen changed the engine on Jutta Kleinschmidt's Touareg? She was excluded by the stewards, Volkswagen appealed and won. Basically because it was nowhere written in the regulations that engine changes are not allowed. Since then it is . . . .

ASO is also notorious for changing details of the rules during the driver's briefings, but not handing out proper bulletins. Something similar to that happend in Peterhansel gate.

For whatever reason Peterhansel needed more fuel for that stage than calculated by the Peugeot engineers. He noted that after the first part and asked his team what to do. Somebody very cleverly found a loophole in the regulations. Hats off for that, that's part of professional motorsport. But we are talking about the victory, not about position 10 or 11. So it's also part of professional motorsport, that Mini is appealing the steward's decision.

If anybody is to blame, it's ASO.

[dimviii]

Mikko faster at wp11!

[Mirek]

Something about the amateurism... I normally use Opera browser but when I enter dakar.com I get 2015 website. Only by using direct link http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/us/ I can get 2016 version.

[dimviii]

Mikko won the stage.

[AL14]

Something about the amateurism... I normally use Opera browser but when I enter dakar.com I get 2015 website. Only by using direct link http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/us/ I can get 2016 version.

Really can't understand why rally world in general is so much allergic to some digital update.
Most of websites are more ancient than 90's, the interface is more like a horror movie, the word "user experience" are something like a mirage.
It's very strange because web and apps are the only way an entire race can be followed.
Really, me and some of my collaborators can do better job than the actual ones for Dakar, WRC o ERC for one tenth of they money they spent for their websites/apps.

[dimviii]

# Dakar2016 something happened between Gordon and Τerranova. Orlando will stop the car by the door at the end of the stage and wrote something on the hood

[makinen_fan]

Something about the amateurism... I normally use Opera browser but when I enter dakar.com I get 2015 website. Only by using direct link http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/us/ I can get 2016 version.

And even if you get there, it is very difficult to find the information you need. There is no logic behind that website

[René]

If they are pointing at the head of the overall classification at the end of the last step, Saturday afternoon in Rosario, Stéphane Peterhansel and Jean-Paul Cottret will however not be certain of having won.

http://fr.motorsport.com/dakar/news/autos-le-vainqueur-pas-connu-avant-plusieurs-mois-668192/

[Sulland]

And even if you get there, it is very difficult to find the information you need. There is no logic behind that website

French web-logic :D

[dimviii]

congrats to Peterhansel for his 12th win at Dakar.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY2FagxWsAAW_9v.jpg

[pantealex]

Mikko vs. Seb 1-0

Next round ?

[René]

Mikko vs. Seb 1-0

Next round ?

About Dakar?? :)

[MitFan]

congrats to Peterhansel for his 12th win at Dakar.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY2FagxWsAAW_9v.jpg

Yes, remarkable.. for Peugeot too!!

[Rally Power]

Yes, remarkable.. for Peugeot too!!

Yep, amazing progression for the Peugeot team and their 2008DKR!

Good job from ex WRC guys: Loeb did a stunning first week and Hirvonen was remarkably consistent in his first Dakar (best rookie!).

Congrats also to Price and KTM and best recovery to Paulo Gonçalves!

[Zeakiwi]

Dangers of the Dakar.
https://youtu.be/14hWfpTwKco

[Grant_RSA]

Dangers of the Dakar.
https://youtu.be/14hWfpTwKco

Amazing how this was kept so quiet, apparently some people injured and Gordon withdrew on the way to the podium.

[Mirek]

Some serious WTF feeling watching that...

[dupanton]

And then there was this one too...
http://www.mdzol.com/nota/651356-gordon-hizo-volcar-a-un-auto-particular-en-la-especial/

When will they finally take his license?? He has been causing problems and dangerous situations for years

[TWRC]

Amazing how this was kept so quiet, apparently some people injured and Gordon withdrew on the way to the podium.
Looks like Robby had a little flashback to his Nascar days... the guy might have said something he didn't like, so he turned them around.

[MartijnS]

That was not in this Dakar, but in a Baja somewhere during 2015.
Didn't see one pass of him on TV this year, completely anonymous Dakar anyway, so no added value. Incredibly stupid action with that crash with his support Hummer.

[focus206]

I'm not surprised by Gordon... so glad he never won the Dakar. Let's hope those are not serious injuries.

[Rally Power]

Looks like Robby had a little flashback to his Nascar days... the guy might have said something he didn't like, so he turned them around.

It seems to have been an handsoff moment that went very wrong...totally reckless behavior from RG and the assistants crew. The guy in the Hummer passing food and water is Creed grandfather. He was the most injured one but it's now recovering. Let's see if this time argentinian authorities will do something against Gordon. I'm pretty sure these guys wouldn't behave like this in a US motorway.

[TWRC]

It seems to have been an handsoff moment that went very wrong...totally reckless behavior from RG and the assistants crew. The guy in the Hummer passing food and water is Creed grandfather. He was the most injured one but it's now recovering. Let's see if this time argentinian authorities will do something against Gordon. I'm pretty sure these guys wouldn't behave like this in a US motorway.
That comment was intended to be a joke, based on his former Nascar run-ins with others :)

On more serious note, looking at the videos where he just suddenly starts a burnout on a crowded road, this accident and several others we might not even know about should sign that something's not right - either he's simply reckless, or just doesn't care at all.

Hopefully every injured person recovers quickly. This should be a good wakeup call for everyone involved.

[Mirek]

As a part of 30th anniversary of first Dakar of Karel Loprais he started today an expedition to Senegal with his 91' truck.
http://auto.idnes.cz/tatra-dakar-loprais-04j-/automoto.aspx?c=A160129_103721_automoto_fdv

[dimviii]

The PH Sport squad has acquired three Peugeot 2008DKR16 machines to lease to privateer entrants for the 2017 Dakar Rally.

Stephane Peterhansel took the 2008DKR16 to victory in this year’s Dakar in January, securing Peugeot’s first victory in the South America-based event since 1990 on only the French marque’s second year of its return.

Sebastien Loeb, Carlos Sainz and Cyril Despres drove the remaining three works Peugeots, while Porsche WEC regular Romain Dumas campaigned a year-old 2008DKR for his own team.

PH Sport, which is running sister brand Citroen’s semi-works WRC programme this year, will make its fleet of 2008DKR16s available to customers in September, allowing them to tackle the Moroccan Rally in October before next January’s Dakar.

“We are very excited by the idea of taking on this new challenge” said PH Sport’s Bernard Piallat.

“Being able to lease the best car in cross-country rallying is an exceptional opportunity, both for PH Sport and the drivers that choose to join us.

“We will treat this new programme with the respect it deserves, because we know that we have a lot to learn in the category.

“Having said that, we are confident because we are acquiring cars that have already proven their worth and we will have the support of Peugeot Sport to help us in understanding their operation.

“In all areas, PH Sport will therefore comply with the standards of the factory team, in order to give our customers the chance to aim for first place.”


http://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/customer-peugeots-to-be-made-available-for-dakar-2017-682826/

[fansosek]

Czech Dakar show Sosnová 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCsQvmS65Xo

[MitFan]

Anyone knows whether there was an official appeal by Xraid Mini regarding Peugeot's alleged unauthorized refueling?

There is no news on that though the media reported that Mini would appeal it and the official winner of the dakar 2016 would be announced only after FIA investigation.

[Mirek]

Afaik it was a mistake of the organization which was only used by the Peugeot team therefore I don't think any appeal can be successful.

[Zeakiwi]

Hearing was set down for Friday.
http://www.fia.com/news/international-court-appeal-hearing-may-27-2016

[vino_93]

It seems that next year Dakar will be as boring as this year. Same zone ... only a start in Paraguay, and a few more stages in Bolivia.

[MitFan]

Hearing was set down for Friday.
http://www.fia.com/news/international-court-appeal-hearing-may-27-2016

Thank you for this,

Looks like there has been a ruling on 2nd March in favor of the stewards original ruling and that too was appealed.