Tour de Corse 2014 (Giru di Corsica)

[liposh]

France-asphalt (tarmac) , 6.11.-8.11.2014

The entrylist should be revealed mid-week according to info from organizers.

[satukata]

France-asphalt (tarmac) , 6.11.-8.11.2014

The entrylist should be revealed mid-week according to info from organizers.

any news about top drivers driving in corsica?

[Mirek]

I think that Peugeot crews are sure. From non-regulalar competitors Sarrazin is confirmed with Fiesta RRC.

[mousti]

Kajto, Consani, Magalhaes and Simpson normally too

[EightGear]

Also Lappi + Wiegand, maybe Maurin?

[PLuto]

Both Peugeot drivers, both Skoda drivers, Kajto, Bouffier, Sarrazin, Tlustak, Consani...

[PLuto]

Kajto, Consani, Magalhaes and Simpson normally too

Simpson will not start, same like Orsak

[RS]

What will Bouffier drive?

[PLuto]

What will Bouffier drive?

Citroën

[EightGear]

Citroën
R5 or RRC?

[mousti]

Smartest is the RRC he knows the car and is a bit more reliable...

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[Reis Eduardo]

Already published the entry list? Where can I look?

[PLuto]

I havent seen it yet too...

[wildboar]

ewrc-results somehow has the entry list already: http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=13884&t=Tour-de-Corse-2014

Nice to see the Porsche battle between Dumas and Delecour again!

[liposh]

This entrylist could be real. Anyway entrylist must exist for more than a week, there is just delay somewhere between Corse and FIA ( you know, nobody is pushing on it, both sides on vacation etc. :-D)

[Mirek]

Camilli with S2000? Great but why is he seeded so low? Same for Cronin. Anyway really nice list.

[PLuto]

Valid entry list is published only here - http://www.rallye-sport.fr/liste-engages-tour-corse/

Till now, nothing on official TdC or FIA ERC pages... But I think this list is real.

[dodge33cymru]

Hmm, on that list the Porsches are 996s (two generations old) rather than the 997s running in Alsace. Guessing it's a misprint.

[PLuto]

I am sure that Delecour and Dumas will start with same cars like on Rallye de France. I must say that I dont know how is it exactly with the numbers at Porsche (this cars are somewhere written as 911, 996 or 997).

[dodge33cymru]

The 911 is the overall model, the generational spec is the 996, 997 or 991 (the latter being the current model).

Like the BMW 3-Series has it's E36, E46, E90 and E92 generations.

I'm sure you're right though, yeah, they'll be the 997s that were at the WRC round. Guessing they're completely different chassis to the one entered at Rally GB too.

[vino_93]

Delecour is driving Tuthill's Porsche. This car is a 997 GT3 Cup (the one used for track races).
For Dumas, it's a 997 GT3 4.0 RS converted to rally :)

[CWJ]

I'm sure you're right though, yeah, they'll be the 997s that were at the WRC round. Guessing they're completely different chassis to the one entered at Rally GB too.

Actually I doubt that. Tuthill has I guess only one car and one FIA datasheet. So GB will be in my opinion the same 997 Delecour is driving.

[vino_93]

Cronin in the official Subaru at the place of Higgins ?

[PLuto]

Cronin in the official Subaru at the place of Higgins ?

Yes. Mark will be in same week competing in China.

[WUff1]

Bouffier on Fiesta instead of Citroen?

[PLuto]

Bouffier on Fiesta instead of Citroen?

Maybe Citroen was too expensive. Original plan was with Citroen.

[EightGear]

Wiegand crashed his car during testing. The car caught fire and maybe he can't start the rally.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/11/03/wiegand-muss-um-korsika-start-bangen/index.html

[WUff1]

Wiegand crashed his car during testing. The car caught fire and maybe he can't start the rally.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/11/03/wiegand-muss-um-korsika-start-bangen/index.html

I think they get the car ready ´till wednesday.

[liposh]

The car is in rally-heaven. If Wiegand will start it has to be with another car.

[Mirek]

I don't think they bring another test car with them in this season. Bringing a new car from CZ to Corsica before scrutineering is near impossible in my opinion...

[bluuford]

Loosks like the season is over for Sepp:
https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/529375519759151104/photo/1

[WUff1]

OK, looks worse than I expected.

[RS]

Even though the title should be his, it would be a shame if Lappi took it this way.

Do Skoda not take a test car with them at all then?

[Mirek]

I think that during this season they didn't hold some special test sessions before the events. Sometimes they didn't test at all. So I don't expect them to have one on Corsica. I think there is higher probability of R5 test car in the truck...

[Mirek]

It's official now. Wiegand will not start. Official reason for fire is a dry grass under the car which caught fire from the exhaust heat after a crash.

[EightGear]

That's really unlucky for him... Sad.

Now that Lappi is champion he can go full throttle and try to prove he has got the speed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's really unlucky for him... Sad.

Now that Lappi is champion he can go full throttle and try to prove he has got the speed.

I dont think he needs to prove anything, even on asphalt he has been quick..

Its Breen and Abbring that need to prove themselves and the 208..

[EightGear]

I mean he can go all out this time. His championship has been made easier because of the 208 troubles.

[tolis]

I think that during this season they didn't hold some special test sessions before the events. Sometimes they didn't test at all. So I don't expect them to have one on Corsica. I think there is higher probability of R5 test car in the truck...

They tested before the Acropolis the Fabia S2000!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cronin in the official Subaru at the place of Higgins ?

Pity he's not driving his new DS3 R5 which he has just used on its debut in Ireland (Cork '20' rally)...

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201410/76679-cronin.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqzk9JXT_QM

[Mirek]

Can You post a link to Cork 20 results?

[tolis]

Can You post a link to Cork 20 results?
http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=19565&t=Cork-20-International-Rally-2014

[MartijnS]

Looked like an exciting battle ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Excellent run by Cronin in Cork after a year off and a few technical issues with the DS3.

He can go a long way if he can get the finances ..

[Mirek]

From twitter: https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/529959934470152192/photo/1

It looks like Wiegand would hardly start even if the car didn't burn. The front looks quite badly crashed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1rLwBRIAAEY2dN.jpg

[mousti]

Fiesta RRC for Bouffier instead of R5...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1rsmlHIYAACN6f.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Peugeot-Sport preview:
http://peugeot-media.com/index.php?nav=990&action=view&communique_id=421&langue=en

[Mirek]

According to a friend Delecour and Santoni will not start.

[RS]

Bouffier will be dangerous in a Fiesta RRC..

[HarriK]

According to a friend Delecour and Santoni will not start.

both names missing here: http://ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=13884&t=Tour-de-Corse-2014

[HarriK]

QS times:
http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/25

[dodge33cymru]

They've changed the times around for some reason, Sarrazin now second.

[Mirek]

Interesting results...

[WUff1]

Start order for tomorrow: https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/530357618314059776/photo/1

[EightGear]

It was raining during QS so that will have been a factor.

Lappi onboard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbISoWolWOU

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Later runners were faster on the QS ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

9th for Breen wont do him much good if the weather's bad & mud on the road...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1w1cUyCQAAd5wV.png

[Mirek]

Some small points from PLuto...

SS1 is different, very wide and definitely very good for Porsche. The 28 km long Acqua Doria has on the other hand 473 turns!

[irish_tiger]

Later runners were faster on the QS ?

Is there anywhere to get the times of the later runners ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Strange tweet from Craig Breen ..

@Craig_Breen
A clever Qualifying Stage today to have us in the best possible place to fight… Tour de Corse begins tomorrow morning, lets do this!

[manthey]

Strange tweet from Craig Breen ..

@Craig_Breen
A clever Qualifying Stage today to have us in the best possible place to fight… Tour de Corse begins tomorrow morning, lets do this!

maybe expeting tarmac will dry...

[KKS]

Morning all, not often follow the ERC event, we have only one rally radio http://www.rallyradio.com/RallyRadio/RRPOPPLAY2.html and no splits?

[stefanvv]

Morning all, not often follow the ERC event, we have only one rally radio http://www.rallyradio.com/RallyRadio/RRPOPPLAY2.html and no splits?

yes, that's it + map here - http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/25

[KKS]

Dumas only 2 sec behind :)

[stefanvv]

great start by him, lets hope not far behind for the more twisty stages:)

[stefanvv]

I'm little surprised by Sarrazin

[tommeke_B]

Great time on SS1 by Camilli, especially considering the car he drives!

[KKS]

I'm little surprised by Sarrazin

in his second rally of a year...

[stefanvv]

Kawetanowicz in trouble again with broken driveshaft, ai-ai

edit: but t16 are still in the game:)

[stefanvv]

:D
[SS2] Sorbollano-Acoravo 1
Stéphane SARRAZIN (FORD)
Matched Bouffier's time - "We did a good stage, a cow across the road, I brake and I lost a bit in the straight line. Just at the end, 5 kilometres before the end. I think I lost maybe 2 or 3 seconds."

[Mirek]

On such a twisty rally I think that RRC cars have some advantage. Anyway let's enjoy the battle :)

EDIT: Dumas 37 seconds down on this one.

[donlorean]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhNUcG0nKtQ

That's happened before also...

[WUff1]

Unlucky times for Kajto in the last two rallies

[Bartek]

Kajto out :( If he think about next season he must change team...

[Mirek]

Kajto out :( If he think about next season he must change team...

Wasn't it M-sport Polska preparing his car?

[rage82]

Camilli again with incredible time! Let's hope he can keep this pace

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen says SS2 was shit but beats Abbring to.move into 3rd !! :D

[WUff1]

Wasn't it M-sport Polska preparing his car?

I think so - at least in the first half of the season.

But the technical problems of the last two rallies are something to do about it in my opinion.

[KKS]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/13884_b108x72ccaagt07.jpg

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/13884_b109f7ecyaa-ygx.jpg

[RS]

On such a twisty rally I think that RRC cars have some advantage.

Even over R5?

[Jarek Z]

Wasn't it M-sport Polska preparing his car?

Hey Mirek, did you not say that modern rally cars are more reliable that the cars from the past? Can you tell it to Kajto now?

Janner - problem with steering, retired
Cyprus - problem with power steering, lost 1st place
Valais - fire in the engine bay, retired
Corse - technical problem already on the second stage and retires

Do I need to remind you miserable statistics of the 208 R5? ;)

[Mirek]

Gugliemi is totally destroying other 2WD drivers!

[Mirek]

Hey Mirek, did you not say that modern rally cars are more reliable that the cars from the past? Can you tell it to Kajto now?

Janner - problem with steering, retired
Cyprus - problem with power steering, lost 1st place
Valais - fire in the engine bay, retired
Corse - technical problem already on the second stage and retires

Do I need to remind you miserable statistics of the 208 R5? ;)

Yes, I said so. And I also said why R5 class was an exception...

[mousti]

lol again something broken on the 208 R5. It's so sad that it almost gets funny how shitty that car is.

[Mirek]

And first 208 T16 is... guess what... broken. This time Breen's one :(

[RS]

What is the problem on Breen's car?

[EightGear]

Breen:
"Something is broke, so we lost a bout a minute I think. That's life... Something in the dif, the revs keep shooting up like it is the clutch or something. It can be repaired but in this rally, one minute makes a big difference. You have to win it, you really have to win it. Next time..."

Abbring had a spin:
"In the beginning is really nice, but we had a spin in one of the villages, I did not recognise it in the recce. There was lose gravel on the side, there was no way I could control the car. We will manage but it is not easy. I don't think it is so bad in the beginning, but the last 6-kilometres... We change the pace notes a bit now."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And first 208 T16 is... guess what... broken. This time Breen's one :(

AGAIN... :( This is beyond a joke now. Breen would be better off in his 35 year-old Ford Escort !! :rolleyes:

http://www.barronpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/JQ6V3621.jpg

[Jarek Z]

AGAIN... :( This is beyond a joke now. Breen would be better off in his 35 year-old Ford Escort !! :rolleyes:


Exactly! Kajto should ask Malcolm Wilson for a 35 year-old Ford Escort too!

[tommeke_B]

Exactly! Kajto should ask Malcolm Wilson for a 35 year-old Ford Escort too!

If I see how unreliable they are in historic rallies (at least here), you could be very disappointed... :D

[WUff1]

And another time the diff on the 208 R5 ... *facepalm*

[Filip]

We all know that 208 is not reliable, but looking at stage times from Corsica they don't seem to be much faster than 207s of Camili and Consani.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This was better for Peugeot 30 years ago... and in events that were 4 times longer...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/autohabit/Vatanen84RAC.jpg

[liposh]

Do you think it is mistake in rules for R5 cars? Or just Malcolm made Fiesta R5 too soon and P208T16 is crap? I hope Skoda will be better at least in terms of reliability.

[Mirek]

This was better for Peugeot 30 years ago... and in events that were 4 times longer...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/autohabit/Vatanen84RAC.jpg

With service after EVERY stage...

[Mirek]

Do you think it is mistake in rules for R5 cars? Or just Malcolm made Fiesta R5 too soon and P208T16 is crap? I hope Skoda will be better at least in terms of reliability.

Don't think it would be way better. Most likely it will be better thanks to huuuuge amount of testing but nowhere near S2000. Just my two cents...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

With service after EVERY stage...

All I remember seeing were a couple of guys in van at the side of the road to straighten the panels and change tyres... hardly a 'full service'.

[Mirek]

Bouffier loosing 17 seconds on SS4! Some problem obviously.

[mousti]

Bouffier loosing 17 seconds on SS4! Some problem obviously.
Puncture. Better feeling for Abbring now.

Fast 207 S2000: Consani has the Pirelli's, Camilli has the talent..

[liposh]

Breen out thanks to transmission problems. Kajto also out, Wiegand is quite "lucky bastard" :-D

[Mirek]

Škoda can celebrate double in a season when it shall have been crushed by all the new R5...

Was there anybody who would expect that before the season? I honestly absolutely not.

[stefanvv]

Škoda can celebrate double in a season when it shall have been crushed by all the new R5...

Was there anybody who would expect that before the season?

Yeah, I did a bit. Peugeot was little late with homologation and missed first rounds. But didn't expect to be so easy for Skoda.

[Jarek Z]

Škoda can celebrate double in a season when it shall have been crushed by all the new R5...

Was there anybody who would expect that before the season? I honestly absolutely not.

No way! Nobody expected such crappy cars from such successful manufacturers as Peugeot and Ford.

Congratulations to Skoda drivers, engineers and the whole team!

[Jarek Z]

Yeah, I did a bit. Peugeot was little late with homologation and missed first rounds. But didn't expect to be so easy for Skoda.

Oh, so there was one person who expected that? :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Game over... again. :(
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B111Y7RIQAA9XIM.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Picture sums up the season ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B115YH6CEAADeSZ.jpg:large

[mousti]

Surprising that Crugnola leads JERC quite easy in front of Lefebvre, or is Lefebvre just getting the points to get the title.. Nice prizes for him but will it be good? WRC-2 and ERC with PSA R5's...

Edit: Lappi Crashed!

[RS]

Škoda can celebrate double in a season when it shall have been crushed by all the new R5...

Was there anybody who would expect that before the season? I honestly absolutely not.

I doubt Skoda themselves expected it. They had the title guaranteed with one round to go too, despite two Lappi crashes.

Now let's see if they can do a better job than the others with their R5 car too.

[EightGear]

Surprising that Crugnola leads JERC quite easy in front of Lefebvre, or is Lefebvre just getting the points to get the title.. Nice prizes for him but will it be good? WRC-2 and ERC with PSA R5's...

Chris Ingram said the price for winning JERC was 'only' 2 rallys in a 208 R5. Still a nice price of course.

[RS]

Chris Ingram said the price for winning JERC was 'only' 2 rallys in a 208 R5. Still a nice price of course.

2 complete rallies, or? ;)

[EightGear]

2 complete rallies, or? ;)

2 loops, rather.

[Jarek Z]

2 loops, rather.

Or 2 stages? ;)

[rallyfiend]

Picture sums up the season ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B115YH6CEAADeSZ.jpg:large

His dad didn't get such good value for his money this year.

I wonder if Peugoet offer some kind of money-back guarantee?

[WUff1]

Well, besides Kajto (probably support by M-Sport Poland) no driver of Fiesta R5 started with full works support in this year´s ERC, not to talk about a full works team. Skoda (even still with Fabia S2000) and Peugeot do, so bashing Fiesta R5 is a little bit unfair when comparing the "big 3". But considering works support it makes the results of the 208 T16 even worser.

So maybe Peugeot should consider dropping Sainteloc and do it fully themselves - or find another racing team who services the car.

[WUff1]

Lappi and Consani out, too?

[EightGear]

Lappi and Consani out, too?

They crashed on SS6.

[Mirek]

There was a big discussion about Lappi last week... now he crashed again.

[manthey]

Well, besides Kajto (probably support by M-Sport Poland) no driver of Fiesta R5 started with full works support in this year´s ERC, not to talk about a full works team. Skoda (even still with Fabia S2000) and Peugeot do, so bashing Fiesta R5 is a little bit unfair when comparing the "big 3". But considering works support it makes the results of the 208 T16 even worser.

So maybe Peugeot should consider dropping Sainteloc and do it fully themselves - or find another racing team who services the car.

why don't they call back belgian Kronos? They demostrated to be a high value team with xsara wrc and also Irc program with neuville

[Mirek]

Does Kronos still exist? They had huge financial problems.

[Rallyper]

There was a big discussion about Lappi last week... now he crashed again.

The boy is crap. No sucess at all. And only crashing when car isn´t letting him down. Discrace.

So there´s so many Abbrings and Breens and Lefevres who will smash him out anytime anywhere. True?

[manthey]

Does Kronos still exist? They had huge financial problems.

from the web site yes but the lack of recent information makes me think the problem is what you wrote...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

His dad didn't get such good value for his money this year.

I wonder if Peugoet offer some kind of money-back guarantee?

That's not an issue... his family didn't buy the seat, but just give some extra funding and he was given the drive by Peugeot-Sport based on previous successes...

"We will try and come back tomorrow to see if we can fix it. Its a new car and I am not disappointed with the people behind me."

[stefanvv]

Great run by Sarrazin, Dumas and Camilli today, totally surprised. t16 can't suprise me.

[RS]

The boy is crap. No sucess at all. And only crashing when car isn´t letting him down. Discrace.

So there´s so many Abbrings and Breens and Lefevres who will smash him out anytime anywhere. True?

What are you on about?

Honestly Rallyper, you sometimes seem deluded. It seems even Mikko disagreed with you about his own career.

[WUff1]

Well I´m not suprised about Sarrazzin. He was third there last year and is a local hero like many others in ERC, e.g. Baumschlager at Jänner, Loix at Ypres, or Pech at Barum.

[EightGear]

#FIAERC Drama for @KevinAbbring on the road section, unknown failure at the moment!

https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/530759731431108608/photo/1

[WUff1]

#FIAERC Drama for @KevinAbbring on the road section, unknown failure at the moment!

https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/530759731431108608/photo/1

Oh no!

[makinen_fan]

Wonder if it can get any worse for Peugeot... It is a total joke, it must be really hard for both Craig and Kevin

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Abbring now.. Jeez. :(

[John Williams]

from the web site yes but the lack of recent information makes me think the problem is what you wrote...

Kronos were present at the Condroz rally last week.

[br21]

yes, I can agree with 208T16 beeing not reliable. they made upgrade of front diff housing, and it was looking it's better, but now it's question mark if that was the problem in car of Breen? now in Kevins car it looks like power steering or alternator belt?

in case of Fiesta I don't agree with all your complains. Look how many those cars are running around the world. Most technical issues with that car happen because of preparation/servicing mistake (I'm not telling it's like that in case of M-Sport Poland and their car) or simply bad luck. That car - Fiesta, has one known problem - steering rack, but it lets you finish the stage and not forcing to retire. Same with recent wastegate problems. And it's not happening so often, trust me. Broken driveshaft is more like bad luck, as it happens very, very rarely in that car. Same like fire in engine bay - only once I heard about it in Fiesta. Stuck throttle from Janner was more like silly mistake, not a problem of the car.
I'm not trying to save Malcolm or something, just trying to be objective. I agree with Mirek that in general R5 class rules affect cars performance and reliability, but it's not that bad as some of you think. I know about few cars which done over 2,5k ss kms each and had no big problems, only one was terminal.
You have also to remember about one more thing - some of Fiestas are becoming older (in terms of ss kms), some done two years of rallying, some one full season. And at the beginning, when car is new, it is really reliable. And then it's how the car is prepared... and luck also of course...

[mousti]

Chris Ingram said the price for winning JERC was 'only' 2 rallys in a 208 R5. Still a nice price of course.

Winning 208 cup in France is getting u more rallies than winning a European Championship :p. Although level is also very high!

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[HarriK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B12yIOfIcAAq1Ev.jpg:large

[EightGear]

Kevin reached parc fermé in time.

[stefanvv]

yes, I can agree with 208T16 beeing not reliable. they made upgrade of front diff housing, and it was looking it's better, but now it's question mark if that was the problem in car of Breen? now in Kevins car it looks like power steering or alternator belt?

in case of Fiesta I don't agree with all your complains. Look how many those cars are running around the world. Most technical issues with that car happen because of preparation/servicing mistake (I'm not telling it's like that in case of M-Sport Poland and their car) or simply bad luck. That car - Fiesta, has one known problem - steering rack, but it lets you finish the stage and not forcing to retire. Same with recent wastegate problems. And it's not happening so often, trust me. Broken driveshaft is more like bad luck, as it happens very, very rarely in that car. Same like fire in engine bay - only once I heard about it in Fiesta. Stuck throttle from Janner was more like silly mistake, not a problem of the car.
I'm not trying to save Malcolm or something, just trying to be objective. I agree with Mirek that in general R5 class rules affect cars performance and reliability, but it's not that bad as some of you think. I know about few cars which done over 2,5k ss kms each and had no big problems, only one was terminal.
You have also to remember about one more thing - some of Fiestas are becoming older (in terms of ss kms), some done two years of rallying, some one full season. And at the beginning, when car is new, it is really reliable. And then it's how the car is prepared... and luck also of course...

My overall impression for Fiesta R5 is the same. It seems reliable enough for R5 specification.

[RS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B12yIOfIcAAq1Ev.jpg:large

Sad end to Lappi and Skoda's season.

Anyone have any insight as to whether Skoda will start 2015 with the Fabia S2000 before moving to the R5?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Consani rolled out... another sad end...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B12x64TIYAAHMf3.jpg:large

[WUff1]

Consani with really bad luck in the second half of the season.

And Lappi: With 3 silly crashes his ERC-title is aligned with some bad points. Wonder how championship would have ended if 208 T16 would have been more reliable or Bouffier doing more rallies ...

[Rallyper]

What are you on about?

Honestly Rallyper, you sometimes seem deluded. It seems even Mikko disagreed with you about his own career.

About Mikko - his own decision. Still his abilities can´t be questioned.

About questioning - ask Mirek.

[Wim_Impreza]

Sad end to Lappi and Skoda's season.

Anyone have any insight as to whether Skoda will start 2015 with the Fabia S2000 before moving to the R5?

Loix will start his Belgian season next year in the Rally van Haspengouw with the Fabia S2000 of this year and when the R5 is ready, he will drive that car in competition. I think the factory team will do the same in the ERC 2015.

[RS]

Loix will start his Belgian season next year in the Rally van Haspengouw with the Fabia S2000 of this year and when the R5 is ready, he will drive that car in competition. I think the factory team will do the same in the ERC 2015.

Do we know what the scoring rules are for ERC 2015? Maybe Skoda can't afford to miss the first couple of events?

[Wim_Impreza]

Do we know what the scoring rules are for ERC 2015? Maybe Skoda can't afford to miss the first couple of events?

I mean that Skoda probably will compete with the Fabia S2000 in the first event(s) of the ERC next year and when the R5 and the homologation is ready, they can compete with the Fabia R5. I don't know what the scoring rules are for ERC 2015, maybe even PLuto don't know this yet.

[COD]

The boy is crap. No sucess at all. And only crashing when car isn´t letting him down. Discrace.

So there´s so many Abbrings and Breens and Lefevres who will smash him out anytime anywhere. True?

Yeah, only crashes and slow but still manages to win the championship... So surprising :)

[nafpaktos]

My conclusions after leg one.
Bryan with only 30 km test is just 1.7 seconds behind the top.Amazing driver.
Dumas did some amazing times with porsche against rally cars (with good drivers),which means the car has potential at tarmac(dry).
Camilli is a bright driver and maybe more talented than Lefebvre.

[Crash82]

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who posted pictures!

[liposh]

The boy is crap. No sucess at all. And only crashing when car isn´t letting him down. Discrace.

So there´s so many Abbrings and Breens and Lefevres who will smash him out anytime anywhere. True?

Totally honestly , Rallyper, in november 2016 we will meet here and discuss it once again. I trust Lappi more than I trust Breen or Abbring. ...and Lefebvre is fast, but I haven´t seen him with 4wd car, so who knows? ;-)

[RS]

Yeah, only crashes and slow but still manages to win the championship... So surprising :)

There's no need to be petulant, Mirek merely pointed out that he had crashed too much.

I expect that if Kopecky had been here he would have won the title again this year.

I do think Lappi has improved this year though, and hopefully will continue to do so next year.

[manthey]

My conclusions after leg one.
Bryan with only 30 km test is just 1.7 seconds behind the top.Amazing driver.
Dumas did some amazing times with porsche against rally cars (with good drivers),which means the car has potential at tarmac(dry).
Camilli is a bright driver and maybe more talented than Lefebvre.

I'm happy too of seeing Dumas driving Porsche also on rally
we have to keep in mind that he is a top top racing car driver, also Porsche due to his engine's disposition adds difficulties to extract the best for non-porsche drivers

[manthey]

Kronos were present at the Condroz rally last week.

with which car?thanks

[HaCo]

Kronos also organisez Belgian Circuit Series BRCC: http://www.brcc.be/default.aspx?lang=nl
Saw Marc VDalen on a meeting in Zolder few weeks ago.

[rage82]

Totally honestly , Rallyper, in november 2016 we will meet here and discuss it once again. I trust Lappi more than I trust Breen or Abbring. ...and Lefebvre is fast, but I haven´t seen him with 4wd car, so who knows? ;-)

You are maybe right about Breen, but Abbring is very fast and he hasn't a single crash this year I think!

[PLuto]

I mean that Skoda probably will compete with the Fabia S2000 in the first event(s) of the ERC next year and when the R5 and the homologation is ready, they can compete with the Fabia R5. I don't know what the scoring rules are for ERC 2015, maybe even PLuto don't know this yet.

Next year it will be 7 best results from all events. Season is not divided into halfs like this year.

[RS]

Next year it will be 7 best results from all events. Season is not divided into halfs like this year.

So Skoda could miss the first two rounds and be ok. On the other hand they may want to get some safe points in the bag with the S2000 in case their R5 has teething problems like the others.

[HaCo]

Wasn't Malghaes a much faster driver in the past?

[WUff1]

So Skoda could miss the first two rounds and be ok. On the other hand they may want to get some safe points in the bag with the S2000 in case their R5 has teething problems like the others.

I think they´ll start at Latvia because of the car market there. But they´ll probably skip Jänner and Cyprus - like this year.

[WUff1]

Sarrazin will take this home if nothing extraordinary happens.

Bouffier seems to be not in excellent form like last year, as we have already seen in this years Rally Germany and Alsace, where nearly everyone would have rated him to perform a bit better.

[PLuto]

Wasn't Malghaes a much faster driver in the past?

I think he is not comfortable with 208 T16. And maybe long break before this season didnt helped also.

[PLuto]

So Skoda could miss the first two rounds and be ok. On the other hand they may want to get some safe points in the bag with the S2000 in case their R5 has teething problems like the others.

Question is who will drive for Skoda next year...

[HaCo]

No restart for Breen?

[liposh]

Question is who will drive for Skoda next year...

And what are the possibilities? :-D Both Kopecky and Lappi are under contract. I don´t know who will drive which championship, but both are "powerful weapons" for European championship. ...and Skoda will present its R5 in ERC, there is no doubt. So do you, Pluto, know about somebody else? Third driver? Will be Wiegand replaced? Or is Wiegand also under contract?

[PLuto]

No restart for Breen?

He is normally doing second leg. But on first stage of Saturday you must searching from bottom, not top...

[PLuto]

And what are the possibilities? :-D Both Kopecky and Lappi are under contract. I don´t know who will drive which championship, but both are "powerful weapons" for European championship. ...and Skoda will present its R5 in ERC, there is no doubt. So do you, Pluto, know about somebody else? Third driver? Will be Wiegand replaced? Or is Wiegand also under contract?

I think this is question to the different thread, not Corse 2014...

[WUff1]

Breen and Kajto had problems already on first stage of today again, Kajto finally retired ... Breen still driving.

[Rallyper]

There's no need to be petulant, Mirek merely pointed out that he had crashed too much.

I expect that if Kopecky had been here he would have won the title again this year.

I do think Lappi has improved this year though, and hopefully will continue to do so next year.

I´m not. Only sarcastic. Lappi won the championship. That´s the fact. His performance in this rally doesn´t count for him, which may have been one reason for going off.

[Rallyper]

You are maybe right about Breen, but Abbring is very fast and he hasn't a single crash this year I think!

Statistics maybe, but Abbring hasn´t done maybe more than half of the stages this year.

[Rally Power]

Wasn't Malghaes a much faster driver in the past?

Yep, Magalhães used to be faster. Lets be fair: he still got the speed but he's no longer a pro (Peugeot Sport Portugal team stopped a few years ago), and as a privateer budget restrictions makes him to get less courses and less testing. And you need lots of Kms at the wheel to keep a top level. We can also question if his Delta 208 is as fast as those of SaintéLoc (doubt it). Either way, maybe he could look at Abbring's example and make a step back into the 208 Cup. He's still in time to revitalize his career. Best luck to him!

Btw: great job from Camili, another young french talent. Amazing to see how France is replacing Finland as rally drivers top force!

[HaCo]

Would be nice to Loix doing ERC, would be a nice crown for his career which he deserves I think.

[Ucci]

Some thoughts from my side:
- Sarrazin ++ (with ''0'' stage km leading against European top drivers, very remarkable achievement)
- Bouffier + (everything less than top three position would be disappointment)
- Abbring + (personally I expected for him to be in a fight for a victory-he was always leading rallies until P208T16 broke down. Maybe he deliberately loosend his pace to finish the rally...who knows...)
- Camilli ++ (I don't know the driver-is he a local guy??; anyway he is much faster than some regular EC drivers..)
- Dumas ++ (surprise; to beat Magalhaes & Leandri with 2WD circuit car on so twisty rally - excellent performance by him)
- Magalhaes - - (just look his lag behind front runners, losing constantly....)
- Crungola ++ (well, young Italian driver is very very fast, sometimes very close to R3 top driver Guglielmi)
- Lappi - ( I know he was driving without pressure /already champion/, but if he was pushing, he was still behind Sar & Buff, and than crashing....he is a lucky guy this season, not the fastest one, with some offs, but still a champion..)

[mousti]

Crugnola upped his pace this year very good in Junior ERC but it seems Lefebvre is holding off just for getting that title home, it would be another story when Lefebvre would drive like he always does. And Crugnola with all his experience (lots of rallies done already in Italy and abroad) in mountain rallies, it's good to win but also not so surprising. Sarrazin had Cevennes done 2 weeks ago, a very good test for Corse. Camilli is not a Corsican but from Marseille and is hugely talented if you look to his results this year :)

[HaCo]

I agree Ucci.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Keith Cronin: Slid off the road on a fast corner. No grip and car wouldn't turn in. Scrubbed off a lot of speed but went off the road head first. Only lost a bumper but no way can get back on the road. Gutted.

Retired the Subaru on SS9. :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

As for Breen today - had a puncture, stopped for pigs on the road and a faulty intercom ... :(

He should go home and stay in bed til 2015...

[AndyRAC]

Hasn't been a great year for him; almost everything that could go wrong, has. Not impressed with Peugeot, at all. Both Craig and Kevin might have been better running the 207, and purely testing the 208.

However, it looks as if Sarrazin is edging away from Bouffier. I saw a comment last night on Twitter, is there a better 'all rounder' than Sarrazin.

[marcosg]

- Camilli ++ (I don't know the driver-is he a local guy??; anyway he is much faster than some regular EC drivers..)

i think he might be one of the next french rally stars... i think he is already parte of the ffsa rally team

[PLuto]

i think he might be one of the next french rally stars... i think he is already parte of the ffsa rally team

I would like to see him on different type of stages than in France...

[RS]

Congratulations to Sarrazin! Would be nice to see more of him in ERC, and Bouffier too.

I was a bit disappointed with the pace of the 208 here.. difference in drivers, R5 vs RRC or Ford vs Peugeot?

[Juha_Koo]

Why the hell Lappi's crash onboard is removed from Youtube on copyright complaint by BUNDESLIGA? :D

[nafpaktos]

And what are the possibilities? :-D Both Kopecky and Lappi are under contract.
Are you sure abou kopecky?till September he hadn't signed a contract,I don't know if he signed later.

[PLuto]

Congrats to Sarrazin for his win on Tour de Corse, last win of RRC car in ERC.

[bluuford]

So what is the win count in 2014 erc?
Mini =1 wins
Peugeot =1 wins
Skoda =4 wins
Ford = 5 wins (once with R5, 4 times RRC)

This is the first time when Ford wins the most events since the beginning of IRC era?

Great win today by Sarrazin. I was thinking that Camilli is really young boy, but I discovered today that he is 27 already!

[markf8691]

Congrats to Sarrazin for his win on Tour de Corse, last win of RRC car in ERC.

Why Pluto, is RRC not allowed next year?

[Wim_Impreza]

Next year it will be 7 best results from all events. Season is not divided into halfs like this year.

Thanks.

Congratulations to Sarrazin. He is probably one of the best drivers in motorsport: fast in rally and fast in circuit racing.

Huge respect for Eric Camilli with his performance. Now I want to see this driver outside France in an international championship.

Guglielmi won the 2WD class. He is always fast in Corse.

The good news is that the Jänner Rallye is already quite close now. :)

[Ucci]

Huge congratulations to happy winner-Sarrazin. I never expected for a circuit driver to win rally in E.C. I know that he has some experience (also testing Yaris WRC), but testing is never comparable to ''stage'' experience. Well done and also a reminder for all established drivers, that they are not unbeatable....and some of them are professionals! A bit embarrassing, if you ask me....

[Mihai]

So glad for Stephane Sarrazin, he really overwhelmed my expectations of him in this rally. I haven't followed Corsica at all, but I'm really happy for Sarrazin. Some 15 years ago I watched him win his very first Formula 3000 race after rain-chaos, later I watched him make his debut in Formula 1 and I was a fan of him as he raced for my favorite team Minardi in Brazil back in 1999. Some 5 years later I thought he had a very bright future in rallying after a ground breaking 4th place in France in a privateer Subaru. I actually wrote a story about him signing for works SWRT team in 2005, anticipating an asphalt win later that year. Too bad that they didn't allow him to gain more experience in rallying. I hope Peugeot will hire him for a ERC title attempt next year! :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Sarrazin won Var 2001 too

[rage82]

Huge congratulations to happy winner-Sarrazin. I never expected for a circuit driver to win rally in E.C. I know that he has some experience (also testing Yaris WRC), but testing is never comparable to ''stage'' experience. Well done and also a reminder for all established drivers, that they are not unbeatable....and some of them are professionals! A bit embarrassing, if you ask me....
Sarrazin was a factory Subaru driver for some tarmac rallies back in the day so he definately has experience driving rally stages. Hats off of course for him, winning the rally and he was very fast from the first stage untill the end without making a mistake.

[Mirek]

He drove also IRC for Peugeot several times. He was battling for victory in Monte Carlo at least twice. He also did Ypres but crashed very early.

[mousti]

Some will say I'm stupid, but if you see Abbring's times and also in France after day 1 he didn't push and then the damn car can finish... I'm very sure we didn't see the Abbring from previous ERC events, I'm very aware he could have battled for the win, RRC's are very strong in mountain rallies but R5 have also the turbo. This was a crap season for Breen but even more for Abbring he has more potential than Breen, and I know with this comment that some will not agree. But I know it for sure that Abbring is WRC potential driver.

[Zeakiwi]

Did the Toyota Yaris testing help Sarrazin? i.e The feedback from the Toyota Engineers.

[br21]

Did the Toyota Yaris testing help Sarrazin? i.e The feedback from the Toyota Engineers.

Feedback probably also a little, but mostly the kilometers he done behind the wheel of Yaris.

[vino_93]

Yep, Magalhães used to be faster. Lets be fair: he still got the speed but he's no longer a pro (Peugeot Sport Portugal team stopped a few years ago), and as a privateer budget restrictions makes him to get less courses and less testing. And you need lots of Kms at the wheel to keep a top level. We can also question if his Delta 208 is as fast as those of SaintéLoc (doubt it). Either way, maybe he could look at Abbring's example and make a step back into the 208 Cup. He's still in time to revitalize his career. Best luck to him!


Hasn't Magalhaes a support of Peugeot Portugal now ?

[vino_93]

I would like to see him on different type of stages than in France...

I think he will do WRC 3 next year. French federation will stop Rallye Jeunes detection program to focus on him and Yohan Rossel in the future, and help them to jump to WRC.

[Rally Power]

Hasn't Magalhaes a support of Peugeot Portugal now ?

Peugeot Portugal only sponsors (don't have the numbers but they shouldn't be high) Magalhães. Back in the 90's and 00's Peugeot Portugal had a full rally structure that was several times national champion and gave their drivers some foreign rally experiences. The greater of those was Miguel Campos 2nd place (with equal number of points of the champion, Bruno Thiry) in 2003 ERC, with a 206WRC rallied by the team. Managed by former (since the 205T16 days) PTS mechanic Carlos Barros, it was considered one of the top Peugeot Sport satellite teams. Due to low sales (portuguese auto market reduce hugely since 2009), 3 years ago the importer closed the team.

[lewalcindor]

You could watch Sarrazin's 2006 season with Subaru in the documentary, "Engineering the World Rally. His teammates that season were Petter Solberg and Chris Atkinson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZSzPs6GC-o

[Jarek Z]

Huge congratulations to happy winner-Sarrazin. I never expected for a circuit driver to win rally in E.C.

Didn't circuit driver Kubica win Janner Rally 11 months ago? ;)

[stefanvv]

:D He was veeeeery lucky there

[Andre Oliveira]

Sarrazin won Var 2001 :)

[stefanvv]

Sarrazin doesn't count, he is not circuit driver. On the other hand Kubica is, and always will be:D

[WUff1]

:D He was veeeeery lucky there

Yes, but it was not his personal fault to get in danger there as you know too.

[stefanvv]

Yes, but it was not his personal fault to get in danger there as you know too.

Probably You mean the last stage? I meant in general, the whole Rally, he escaped several times on different stages.

[WUff1]

Yes, I meant his off in the last stage.

[Jarek Z]

Sarrazin doesn't count, he is not circuit driver. On the other hand Kubica is, and always will be:D

Why isn't Sarrazin a circuit driver? Don't I get your joke or what?

[stefanvv]

Why isn't Sarrazin a circuit driver? Don't I get your joke or what?

Well, previously there were posts how much Rallies Sarrazin has been done, and so on, and so on. But the point here is he is actually driving them like a Rally driver, not like curcuit driver, which I think is the case with Kubica. Just my opinion of course.

[Jarek Z]

Well, previously there were posts how much Rallies Sarrazin has been done, and so on, and so on. But the point here is he is actually driving them like a Rally driver, not like curcuit driver, which I think is the case with Kubica. Just my opinion of course.

Ok, thanks for your explanation. I get what you mean now and I think you may be right. I think that Kubica drove more rallies than Sarrazin, but the Frenchman is a better rally driver. But is he also a better racing driver? ;)

[manthey]

Ok, thanks for your explanation. I get what you mean now and I think you may be right. I think that Kubica drove more rallies than Sarrazin, but the Frenchman is a better rally driver. But is he also a better racing driver? ;)

as racing driver I would say no...kubica was on the path to be f1 champion in 2008 until half season in Silverstone (he finished 4th, same points of Kimi 3rd)

[JTGANG]

Any video from the rally ???? Haven't seen anything

[EightGear]

Any video from the rally ???? Haven't seen anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ZIDe3i_Ro

[lewalcindor]

:D He was veeeeery lucky there


Yes, I meant his off in the last stage.

I still have no idea how he made it back onto the road in one piece!

Also, if Kris Meek was penalized for a small cut, I have no idea what you would classify whatever it was that Kubica did.

In any case, it was truly a helluva drive.

[PLuto]

Some will say I'm stupid, but if you see Abbring's times and also in France after day 1 he didn't push and then the damn car can finish... I'm very sure we didn't see the Abbring from previous ERC events, I'm very aware he could have battled for the win, RRC's are very strong in mountain rallies but R5 have also the turbo. This was a crap season for Breen but even more for Abbring he has more potential than Breen, and I know with this comment that some will not agree. But I know it for sure that Abbring is WRC potential driver.

Kevin was not in his usual "skin", he was not able to find good rhythm.

[PLuto]

Hasn't Magalhaes a support of Peugeot Portugal now ?

no

[Andre Oliveira]

Some photos here (http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=13884&t=Tour-de-Corse-2014)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/tour_de_corse_2014/sno_002.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/tour_de_corse_2014/sno_035.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/tour_de_corse_2014/sno_033.jpg

[EightGear]

What is Bouffier talking about here?

"I know the FIA won’t like this but if we could do 100 kilometres on this rally it would be better because when you finish the last stage that’s actually the finish and you don’t feel so good."

[liposh]

Maybe it should be: "if we could do 100 kilometres MORE on this rally..."