Rally Wrc France-Alsace 2014

[jbmarcus21]

Timetable, Itinerary and Google Earth Map
http://bit.ly/1ptZx4C

[wildboar]

Entry list has been published: http://www.rallye-sport.fr/liste-engages-rallye-france-2014/

[vino_93]

A bit less than 100 entries. Impressive. And it's on all tarmac rounds that there's so many crews. A message for WRC ?

[Tom206wrc]

Simply a FANTASTIC entrylist !!! :cool:

[pantealex]

bad WRC2

good WRC3 with Clio R3T (and others with R3T Clio)

good Delecour and Dumas with Porsche

[Mirek]

A bit less than 100 entries. Impressive. And it's on all tarmac rounds that there's so many crews. A message for WRC ?

Same phenomena could have been observed in IRC/ERC. Asphalt rounds have almost always more entries. The two most-popular events of this season Barum and Ypres are asphalt too.

The reason is in fact simple. Large majority of European rallies is held on asphalt roads. Therefore most of the teams have only asphalt parts for their cars (those are cheaper as well). Competing on other surfaces is a huge oncost for them.

[Mirek]

Entry list has been published: http://www.rallye-sport.fr/liste-engages-rallye-france-2014/

Fingers crossed for Kevin Abbring! The car simply can't brake every single time he drives it. No! It can't, it can't, it can't....

[EightGear]

Great to see Abbring on the list, wonder who's paying for that ride.

[stefanvv]

Fingers crossed for Kevin Abbring! The car simply can't brake every single time he drives it. No! It can't, it can't, it can't....

:D brake? it sure can. Brake down is another thing.

[pantealex]

Entry list has been published: http://www.rallye-sport.fr/liste-engages-rallye-france-2014/

updated list 16.9
http://www.rallyedefrance.com/2014/le-rallye-de-france-alsace-bat-son-plein/
(english version not working, so just press "en cliquant ici." pdf-version)
biggest changes #73 Armando Pereira DS3 WRC and lot of Opel Adam´s numbers over200

[Mintexmemory]

:D brake? it sure can. Brake down is another thing.

Brake - To retard speed by frictional devices

Break - To wreck, ruin or otherwise render useless.

:)

[stefanvv]

Brake - To retard speed by frictional devices

Break - To wreck, ruin or otherwise render useless.

:)

Yeah, thank You. My English is not excellent. I thought something is wrong with that word, but now it's clear as blue sky.

[vino_93]

http://www.rallyedefrance.com/opel-adam-cup/

"Liste des engagés Opel Adam Cup" --> entry list for Adam Cup rally.

[Mintexmemory]

Yeah, thank You. My English is not excellent. I thought something is wrong with that word, but now it's clear as blue sky.

Your English is fine - especially as many Brits don't know the difference between break and brake ;)

[journeyman racer]

A bit less than 100 entries. Impressive. And it's on all tarmac rounds that there's so many crews. A message for WRC ?
I'm sorry. But what are you implying exactly?

[Mirek]

I'm sorry. But what are you implying exactly?

A fact that the average number of entries on asphalt international events is much higher than on gravel ones.

[AndyRAC]

So, why aren't there more Tarmac rounds?

[MK2 BDG]

Looking forward to a return to France,, Hope to keep her shiny side up this time !!!

[janvanvurpa]

Same phenomena could have been observed in IRC/ERC. Asphalt rounds have almost always more entries. The two most-popular events of this season Barum and Ypres are asphalt too.

The reason is in fact simple. Large majority of European rallies is held on asphalt roads. Therefore most of the teams have only asphalt parts for their cars (those are cheaper as well). Competing on other surfaces is a huge oncost for them.


My wise and learned comrade Mirek, I think you mean large majority of CONTINENTAL European rallies are on asphalt....

There are whole countries up North that don't have a single asphalt event...several whole countries.

And are you sure 330mm discs and 6 pot calipers cost less?

Could be just human history...The big asphalt countries have all been densely settled for 2000 years, these other places still are not..
Dense settlement means its cost effective to pave roads.
And dense settlement means bigger pool of drivers top draw entries from.

Could be that simple.

[stefanvv]

Well, that's disappointing:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september/france-entries/page/1787--12-12-.html
It would be nice entry.

Is Dumas competing though?

[wildboar]

Well, that's disappointing:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september/france-entries/page/1787--12-12-.html
It would be nice entry.
Is Dumas competing though?

@Tuthill_Porsche just postet on Twitter:

Currently reserving French airspace for more of this! Tuthill Porsche 911 RGT for @rallyedefrance @OfficialWRC pic.twitter.com/s9izHwj3oz

So is the Tuthill 911 starting in France? But not driven by Delecour?

[rallyfiend]

@Tuthill_Porsche just postet on Twitter:


So is the Tuthill 911 starting in France? But not driven be Delecour?

Perhaps you should ask them....?

[stefanvv]

So is the Tuthill 911 starting in France? But not driven by Delecour?

I think initially they're 2 for Dumas & Delcour planned. But now there is no car for the latter.

[MK2 BDG]

Francois Delecour back in

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september/delecour-france-return/page/1791--12-12-.html

[MK2 BDG]

Plus from the events website

FRANÇOIS DELECOUR WILL BE AT THE RALLY FRANCE-ALSACE!
Contrary to what has been spreading over the internet, François Delecour will be at the start of the Rally France-Alsace. The organizational crew has confirmed the participation of the Frenchman ..

[stefanvv]

Awesome! Hope for good onboards.

[Mintexmemory]

Providing FD gets further than he did on the Monte there might be ;). We noticed he spent a lot more time in the service park taking phone calls and looking French than he did at the wheel of the Fiesta.

[tommeke_B]

Providing FD gets further than he did on the Monte there might be ;). We noticed he spent a lot more time in the service park taking phone calls and looking French than he did at the wheel of the Fiesta.

This needs an explanation... :p

[Mintexmemory]

This needs an explanation... :p

Simple - some people make a career out of their 'style' If we are looking at national stereotypes then François is quintessentially Gallic. Every shrug and gesture shouts 'Je m'en balance' just to look at him you'd know he is French in a way that Loeb and Ogier do not

[Tom206wrc]

Why Christian Riedemann forfait in JWRC in France ??? :(

[KiwiWRCfan]

According to today's issue of Motorsport Monday Henning Solberg has withdrawn his entry for France. No reason is given.

Maybe he needs time to go party with his brother

[SpeedEstRacing]

my vidéo big tests day : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp__1U4GJNU

[Zeakiwi]

What are the French organisers using to reduce corner cutting this year?

[bluuford]

What are the French organisers using to reduce corner cutting this year?
Take a look on the previous video. At 2:20 you can see redand white obstacle on the right corner (noramlly used in the traffic to direct traffic for ome temporary reasons)

[makinen_fan]

Delecour testing the 911 with onboard camera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6yipiOg0g&feature=youtu.be

[rage82]

Hope, that we can find some livestream from Sport+ because they will televise all stages from the event live except ss 4,5,6 and 14!

[dimviii]

What are the French organisers using to reduce corner cutting this year?
Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 16 ώρες Πριν από 16 ώρες
Corner cutting will be limited on Rally France or you can take a gamble and flatten them!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuJitTIAAAGq8L.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuJjPeIUAARQHv.jpg

[A FONDO]

my vidéo big tests day : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp__1U4GJNU

When you watch them passing one after another, the Porshe (even driven carefully) totally overshadows the all R5s! Hope the car makes it to the end of the rally to watch more footage with it!

[vino_93]

Hope, that we can find some livestream from Sport+ because they will televise all stages from the event live except ss 4,5,6 and 14!

I think that it will be possible. If I find one, I will share with you.

[rage82]

I think that it will be possible. If I find one, I will share with you.
Thanks mate!

[Criterium]

For fans too, today is recce day thanks to RallyVista:
http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/38/23/21/presrv18.jpg (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1107&u=15382321)

http://www.interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/

[bassist]

Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 16 ώρες Πριν από 16 ώρες
Corner cutting will be limited on Rally France or you can take a gamble and flatten them!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuJitTIAAAGq8L.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuJjPeIUAARQHv.jpg

Bloody hell, what next- this isn't what Rallying is all about!

[Mintexmemory]

Bloody hell, what next- this isn't what Rallying is all about!

Indeed - and Kris Meeke shouldn't have been penalised for finding a route that was a fair competition ploy.

[Mirek]

Bloody hell, what next- this isn't what Rallying is all about!

This is common thing in almost all asphalt countries. Usually it is a precondition from local authorities. Without measures to prevent road damage they often don't allow stage running there. I don't like it either but they are right. The damage to the asphalt roads caused by cutting can be in some cases really huge and somebody would have to pay the repairs.

Strangely for example here in CZ the majority of drivers like that (especially those from down the field who would otherwise drive in completely different conditions than those in front). On the other hand for example in Belgium drivers mostly refuse anti-cutting obstacles.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I noticed the Arab drivers on Rally Cyprus recently were taking huge cuts and nothing wad said...

As for France, those markers dont look right at all.. hay bails with metal inside would be better.

[Mirek]

I noticed the Arab drivers on Rally Cyprus recently were taking huge cuts and nothing wad said...

That was rather making a shortcut...

[tommeke_B]

What's all the fuss about? It has been like this in Rallye de France since 2010, nothing changed...

[dimviii]

Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 2 ώρες
Simple message to @DaniSordo from the @HyundaiWRC team for this weekend!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By2sqq7CcAIeDtl.jpg:large

[turves]

Does the ALS button dump a bucket of Ice water on his head...? :laugh:

[makinen_fan]

I noticed the Arab drivers on Rally Cyprus recently were taking huge cuts and nothing wad said...


For the drivers counting for MERC, they areallowed by rules to deviate from road (I think for 10metres)
For ERC drivers this is not allowed and Yazeed penalised with 30s at the end, but nothing changed the result

[Gregor-y]

Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 16 ώρες Πριν από 16 ώρες
Corner cutting will be limited on Rally France or you can take a gamble and flatten them!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuJjPeIUAARQHv.jpg
Those will be scattered all over the road for late runners, but I guess it's safer than the metal posts that were used before.

[Mirek]

Those will be scattered all over the road for late runners, but I guess it's safer than the metal posts that were used before.

Why should they? These signs are used commonly in plenty of countries to prevent cutting. It's nothing new.

Besides that it's the late runners who benefits from them...

[dimviii]

WRC
‏@OfficialWRC
Slight modification to the rear brake cooling for the @HyundaiWRC i20 this weekend. France above Germany below.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By3LDPpIYAAgBvc.jpg:large

[Gregor-y]

Why should they? These signs are used commonly in plenty of countries to prevent cutting. It's nothing new.

Besides that it's the late runners who benefits from them...

And the signs don't get thrown around if they're hit an angle that's not perpendicular to the hinge? Is the rubber base heavy enough that the warning stripe piece will separate?

[Mirek]

They don't get hit very often. As I said it's nothing new. Basically almost all Europe uses various anti-curring obstacles on thousands of stages and these signs are one of the most common things which are used.

[stefanvv]

Does the ALS button dump a bucket of Ice water on his head...? :laugh:

over the engine:D

[EightGear]

And the signs don't get thrown around if they're hit an angle that's not perpendicular to the hinge? Is the rubber base heavy enough that the warning stripe piece will separate?

They're quite heavy, not made of rubber I think. They are everywhere during rallies here in NL.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From wrc.com in 2013: "Rallye de France-Alsace organisers have made special efforts to reduce the amount of mud and gravel dragged onto the asphalt stages by drivers cutting corners. The inside of many bends are lined by a series of heavy bollards to keep cars on the asphalt and prevent drivers shaving tenths of a second from their time by cutting."

But looking at the photos from 2013 there is no sign of any poles, posts, or even the barriers mentioned above...

So it is different in 2014.

[Mirek]

No, it's not new. Every single year since it was moved to Alsace there has been the same discussion here about anti-cutting obstacles in Rallye de France. Only the type of obstacles changes. I still can't believe why some of you see it as something special...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Find some pictures from Rally France 2013 showing anti-cutting obstacles... I cant find one... just lots like this:

http://biser3a.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/WRC-Rally-France-2013-28.jpg

[EightGear]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUauZ9UX7J8#

There are some here.

[Mirek]

Find some pictures from Rally France 2013 showing anti-cutting obstacles... I cant find one... just lots like this:

Do You realize that there is something like 200 km of roads used for the rally? Each kilometer has plenty of turns. It's totally impossible to prevent cutting everywhere and it's also meaningless. It's done where it is required by local authorities or for some other reason. Nobody puts those obstacles just because he thinks it's fun. They have been used in Alsace always. It's no news and it's nothing special. Just live with that.

[bluuford]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NUauZ9UX7J8#

There are some here.

I counted at least 15 during the first 5 minutes:-)

[dimviii]

http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_10_2014/post-1773-0-06917600-1412229950.jpg

[dimviii]

from french forum

Hirvonen 2.46"8 / 2.43"5
Evans 2.46"5 /2.42"1
Prokop 2.49"7 / 2.46"9
Protasov 2.54"2
Sordo 2.41"3
Neuville 2.43"0
Latvala 2.39"8
Bouffier 3.03"5
Kuipers 2.49"3
Meeke 2.42"9
Ostberg 2.42"2

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By7DUhACYAA74Od.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Do they use the same pointless shakedown stage as last year?

[dimviii]

Hirvonen 2.46"8 / 2.43"5
Evans 2.46"5 /2.42"1
Prokop 2.49"7 /2.46"9 / 2.46"0
Protasov 2.54"2/ 2.47"5 / 2.45"9
Sordo 2.41"3 /2.38"2 /2.37"7
Neuville 2.43"0 /2.39"4 / 2.39.1
Latvala 2.39"8 /2.37"7 / 2.36"7
Bouffier 3.03"5 /2.47"1/ 2.45"5
Kuipers 2.49"3 /2.45"1 / 2.44"4
Ogier 2.40"6 / 2.38"1
Meeke 2.42"9 /2.38"6
Mikkelsen 2.41"4 / 2.40"0
Maurin 2.52"0 /2.46"0
Kubica 2.43"3 / 2.39"6

[rage82]

Do they use the same pointless shakedown stage as last year?
I think so.... It's called Parc des sports and it looks it's the same useless shakedown.

[dimviii]

better view
http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=13901&t=Rallye-de-France-Alsace-2014

[noel157]

Final SD results:

http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.php?e=13901&t=Rallye-de-France-Alsace-2014

[rage82]

Short video from shakedown: http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t50.2886-16/10720104_1390863144522146_1467319953_n.mp4
Another video:http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t50.2886-16/10719850_857990520892189_853673233_n.mp4

[dimviii]

photos
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1302

[Jafry]

Photos from shakedown: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1302

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/10649668_360591077429747_2336254805269946715_n.jpg ?oh=5b8026057db57c391b5b888c5d3b90aa&oe=54B8D1EE&__gda__=1420886280_3777c1369e6914a7336e2cf0dc81b7e 6

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/france-2014/6r1a5260.jpg
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/france-2014/6r1a5265.jpg
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/france-2014/6r1a5234.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-france-2014/

[EightGear]

Any non-WRC shakedown times?

[stefanvv]

Any non-WRC shakedown times?

Chardonnet is fast:
13. #36 flag Chardonnet Sébastien - de la Haye Thibault icon Citroën DS3 R5 2:45.4 2:43.4
14. #5 flag Hirvonen Mikko - Lehtinen Jarmo icon Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2:46.8 2:43.5
15. #22 flag Maurin Julien - Klinger Nicolas icon Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2:52.0 2:46.0
16. #21 flag Prokop Martin - Tománek Jan icon Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2:49.7 2:46.3 2:46.0
17. #39 flag Gilbert Quentin - Jamoul Renaud icon Ford Fiesta R5 2:50.8 2:47.0

[makinen_fan]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/247781_780882828620735_1021979939083902569_n.jpg?o h=9e337a74808f03c7b62e6b1e7e95c4ff&oe=54CCEFCA&__gda__=1421445613_7f9acfd74e818132b2b91901ad47aa3 f

[Mintexmemory]

Chardonnet is fast:
13. #36 flag Chardonnet Sébastien - de la Haye Thibault icon Citroën DS3 R5 2:45.4 2:43.4
14. #5 flag Hirvonen Mikko - Lehtinen Jarmo icon Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2:46.8 2:43.5
15. #22 flag Maurin Julien - Klinger Nicolas icon Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2:52.0 2:46.0
16. #21 flag Prokop Martin - Tománek Jan icon Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2:49.7 2:46.3 2:46.0
17. #39 flag Gilbert Quentin - Jamoul Renaud icon Ford Fiesta R5 2:50.8 2:47.0

I see in response to the non-WRC times question you've included Mikko, Maurin and Prokop - Freudian slip?
Well the fastest 4 are the top four (though not in correct order) of my Pickem. They are going to be one battle, then the next 4 look to be contesting positions 5-8 in the absence of top 4 retirements / punctures etc. Looks like I need to replace Bouffier as he just doesn't seem to have the 'feel' of the Hyundai.

[stefanvv]

I see in response to the non-WRC times question you've included Mikko, Maurin and Prokop - Freudian slip?

Not at all. I was just lazy to delete the copied snippet. On the other hand it's good comparison for the speed of the latters.

[janvanvurpa]

You know maybe the wrong place but we talk about the changes in WRC and what to do and who is responsible and I just saw this.
http://www.forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_10_2014/post-1773-0-06917600-1412229950.jpg

This illustrates the change better than anything I've seen...
The WRC events I've been to---and the one I was entered in---you could be 1 or so meter away from service.
This piccie is perfect.
This distance, the separation, the car is 'illuminated", shinier than ever, the poor fans literally left "in the dark',

When does things get going?

[Franky]

This distance, the separation, the car is 'illuminated", shinier than ever, the poor fans literally left "in the dark',


In a way the separation is logical considering the amount of people some events attract. But the Hyundai-style service "tent" is awful. Less motorhome style luxuries but that won't happen - how else can you keep the money people happy

[dimviii]

photos from borl
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[janvanvurpa]

In a way the separation is logical considering the amount of people some events attract. But the Hyundai-style service "tent" is awful. Less motorhome style luxuries but that won't happen - how else can you keep the money people happy?



"Dans ce pay-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres."


http://www.jornaldelondrina.com.br/blogs/pos-premiere/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2014/06/Paths-of-Glory.png

[Mirek]

I see in response to the non-WRC times question you've included Mikko, Maurin and Prokop - Freudian slip?
Well the fastest 4 are the top four (though not in correct order) of my Pickem. They are going to be one battle, then the next 4 look to be contesting positions 5-8 in the absence of top 4 retirements / punctures etc. Looks like I need to replace Bouffier as he just doesn't seem to have the 'feel' of the Hyundai.


Not at all. I was just lazy to delete the copied snippet. On the other hand it's good comparison for the speed of the latters.

Come on, it's some stupid parking lot slalom. That's no stage to truly indicate something...

[dimviii]

video from borl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz4wOw4_K64

[RICARDO75]

Bernardo Sousa onboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKhUve9C0w

[stefanvv]

Come on, it's some stupid parking lot slalom. That's no stage to truly indicate something...

True:D

[vino_93]

http://www.direct-foot.info/

to see live stages. It will be channel 3, but another can be open.

[rage82]

http://www.direct-foot.info/

to see live stages. It will be channel 3, but another can be open.
Thanks, will try it tomorrow morning!

[KKS]

No one see full SD times list?
or tabe on ewrz is full and only 17 drivers run SD?

[Fly_Half]

What an absolutely abysmal Shakedown stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Are all of tomorrow mornings stages live on Sport+ ?

[satnav]

Heres a list of live stages,

[KKS]

Any sport+ online live link available?
and wrc+ will stream all stages live?

[Silverbullet050]

Try this www.wiziwig.com then click live sports and then Motorsport. First 3 stages live

[rage82]

Wrc+ will stream only 3 stages, for sport+ see above

[KKS]

Better subscribe for sport+ channel rather than wrc+ :(

And start of 1st stage and live link is dead for me :( http://www.direct-foot.info/channel3.html

[rage82]

Unfornately the stream isn't working for me. Anyone seeing the live stream?

[Rallyper]

Godd morning maits! Now full day of covering RFdA. Exciting!

[jonkka]

Isn't it RdFA? Morning all...

[Rallyper]

Lagging live in Sweden...

[noel157]

This works for me: http://www.direct-foot.info/?page=live&id=527&name=streaming-championnat-du-monde-2014-france-alsace

[dimviii]

no splits from citroen racing?

[makinen_fan]

This works too
http://live.drakulastream.eu/static/freepopups/24404005744850.html

[Micke_VOC]

The livestream working fine for me...
Anyone who gets the splits working ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Less than a second splits the top 4...

[makinen_fan]

no splits from citroen racing?

unfortunately not yet, not big harm though, just a single split in this one

[KKS]

crappy work..... no one of streams doesn't work for me

[KKS]

Meeke post a good time... keep pushing Kris!

[makinen_fan]

Interesting graphic the living timing on the map (in canal+), but is it accurate? Differences seems to change a lot

[noel157]

Too much graphics. They should have a camera at the hairpin.

[KKS]

Any screens from live streaming for crapworkers?

[Bartek]

Fingers crossed for Kris, black horse for this weekend? :)

Check this guys: http://cdn.livetv.sx/webplayer2.php?t=letontv&c=lilyxozeej23981damsunoal&lang=pl&eid=260913&lid=238575&ci=547&si=7

[Negaiss]

Fingers crossed for Kris, black horse for this weekend? :)

Check this guys: http://cdn.livetv.sx/webplayer2.php?t=letontv&c=lilyxozeej23981damsunoal&lang=pl&eid=260913&lid=238575&ci=547&si=7

This works for me in Latvia! Thanks!!!

[trifonvl]

Fingers crossed for Kris, black horse for this weekend? :)

Check this guys: http://cdn.livetv.sx/webplayer2.php?t=letontv&c=lilyxozeej23981damsunoal&lang=pl&eid=260913&lid=238575&ci=547&si=7

working fine, thx mate!!!!!!

[KKS]

Bartek (http://www.motorsportforums.com/member.php?19649-Bartek) - you my hero! tnx!

[noel157]

Ogier v Grosjean? A lot of smiles.

[rage82]

Finally it's working for me. Bartek you are the Man.

[MartijnS]

Great link, even works on my phone :D

[dimviii]

Camilli comes faster at 1st split at wrc3

[makinen_fan]

Ogier spun in SS2

Now stopped in stage (??)

[noel157]

Ogier over cooks it

[rage82]

Ogier had a half spin, and now is dribving very slow

[KKS]

aaa Ogier offfff

[Negaiss]

Ogier SLOW SLOW. Problem

[noel157]

Suspension or puncture?

[JTGANG]

Rally is over for Ogier.....Is moving very slow....

[Negaiss]

OGIER STOPS !!!!!!! Longest stage. Ai ai ai

[Sulland]

Ogier stopped on ss2?

[makinen_fan]

Looks like suspension to me

[noel157]

Fuel pressure?

[dimviii]

Abbring fastest at rc2,no surprise though.

[trifonvl]

Great time for Delecour in ss1!!!! Ahead of all R5 except Abbring...
Dumas is even better!!!!!

[noel157]

Ogier at least 2 mins behind Latvala.

[JTGANG]

Ogier seems in racing rythum again ?????

[Mirek]

Abbring fastest at rc2,no surprise though.

But Dumas with Porsche even faster and Delecour just behind :)

[Ucci]

Dumas faster than R5 !!! Woooouuu, that is a SURPRISE !!

[dimviii]

Great time for Delecour in ss1!!!! Ahead of all R5 except Abbring...
Dumas is even better!!!!!

lets see at 2nd stage,think that stage suits 911s.

[dimviii]

But Dumas with Porsche even faster and Delecour just behind :)

not impressive with this power.Give them a 911 with 300 ps and lets see who is fastest.

[makinen_fan]

Nice surprise by the 911s. Beautiful stage end

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzAcu2gCMAErUhS.jpg

[Sulland]

Why did Ogier not pull over sooner to let Mikkelsen through?

[makinen_fan]

lets see at 2nd stage,think that stage suits 911s.

i dont think so, the SS2 is more twisty with some more bumpy sections. lets see, another thing to look out for!

[dimviii]

Meeke fastst at 3rd split

[dimviii]

i dont think so, the SS2 is more twisty with some more bumpy sections. lets see, another thing to look out for!

twisty and bumpy suits more r5 cars.Stage1 was very wide and smooth

[Bartek]

Neuville with problems, it looks like a engine

[KKS]

Nueville on trouble too? too slow for vid

[noel157]

No power from engine for Neuville.

[Bartek]

They have mobile phone in their helmets? :)

[rage82]

No engine power for Neuville, what a drama in 2nd stage

[makinen_fan]

twisty and bumpy suits more r5 cars.Stage1 was very wide and smooth
that's my point.
i missunderstood you, by that stage you meant SS1, I understood SS2 ;)

[noel157]

Seems to have gone into safe or road mode?

[KKS]

Ostberg looks very fast! c'mon Mads!!!

[noel157]

Meeke going well.

[Eli]

mads slower 14 seconds from andreas

[jonkka]

Had JML not blundered in Rally Deutschland, championship would start to look interesting.

[KKS]

Evans with good time! C'mon shine brighter!

[Bartek]

It's only second stage but I think that live coverage was better last year, all the time they have problem with video...

[noel157]

It's only second stage but I think that live coverage was better last year, all the time they have problem with video...

+1. Maybe too many trees. But better than nothing.

[noel157]

Citroen Racing splits still not working?

[KKS]

Not boring start off the rally! I like it :)

And yes citroen splits not working now

[KKS]

Maybe Nueville have similar problems that Sordo have at Monte? Some pipe are broken.... hope he fix that at road section!

[dimviii]

Garcia and Marche fastest at wrc3 with new clios,small difference though.Very tight fight,at 4,5 secs 8 crews.

[Rallyper]

Impressing start from Evans! Now established as current #1 driver at MSport - for sure.

[makinen_fan]

Garcia and Marche fastest at wrc3 with new clios,small difference though.Very tight fight,at 4,5 secs 8 crews.

Interesting that the first 4 are not the usual WRC3/JWRC fast drivers

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Engine cut out and problem with gears causing Ogier spin and struggle to restart ?

Strange issue for a VW, usually so reliable..

[KKS]

agrrhhhh!! Nueville can't fix his pipe to SS3 :(

[bluuford]

Engine cut out and problem with geard causing Ogier spin and struggle to restart ?

Strange issue for a VW, usually so reliable..

It can be the opposite.. usually it is. Make a spin.. need to reverse very quickly and mess omething up.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML smashes Ogier on SS3 by 17.1s !

[makinen_fan]

Meeke loses 6.6s to Jari Matti, now proper gap formed

[noel157]

Meeke not happy with gravel crews?

[Mintexmemory]

JML smashes Ogier on SS3 by 17.1s !

More to the point takes 4 secs out of Andreas in a very short stage!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thats bad some gravel crews removing stones and telling their men to cut when others dont know they can...

[6789]

Thats bad some gravel crews removing stones and telling their men to cut when others dont know they can...

Not sure if that is confirmed or not. Could be fans. Would hope gravel crews wouldn't do that.

[makinen_fan]

Could be spectators but Meeke's point was that other drivers were taking cuts where he had noted stones.

Kubica also mentions this but for bollards not stones

[Ucci]

not impressive with this power.Give them a 911 with 300 ps and lets see who is fastest.

Always the same story, 911's with its power....but just RWD, weight distribution same as 50 years ago.....be honest and admit, that if that power is such an advantge, nowebody would need R5 for tarmac....

[mousti]

Abbring shows once again his potential if Citroën searches a new WRC driver. He should be one of the top candidates.

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[KKS]

Could be spectators but Meeke's point was that other drivers were taking cuts where he had noted stones.

Kubica also mentions this but for bollards not stones
No one except JML crew can do that IMHO

[makinen_fan]

Abbring shows once again his potential if Citroën searches a new WRC driver. He should be one of the top candidates.

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9s fastest in WRC2 in this one. Great performance!

The 911s much slower here, 33 and 54 behind Abbring

[6789]

No one except JML crew can do that IMHO

Why is that?

[HarriK]

Wrc.com time is wrong.. utc+1 and clock is now 10.05. Poor wrc ....

[bluuford]

Ogier is going to get +4 minutes for checking in too early for SS3..looks like he may go home now..

[litifeta]

doh. forgot about the pickems. will never make it into the top 60 now. LOL

[dimviii]

Always the same story, 911's with its power....but just RWD, weight distribution same as 50 years ago....
yes thats right,thats why they loose half minute at a single stage.

.
be honest and admit, that if that power is such an advantge,.
power is an advantage.period.


nowebody would need R5 for tarmac....
wrc2 is with 4wd 1,6lit turbo cars.No gt cars allowed at this category.So everybody needs them.
The comparison shows just how shit the 911 is at rally stages.If we have a rainy stage you will understant it better,when wrc3 cars will be faster.
i really cant understant all this with gt cars at rallies.

[mousti]

Ogier checked in 4 mins too early probably..

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[KKS]

Why is that?

Look at timing board from SS3 and on a situation in championship.

[makinen_fan]

Ogier checked in 4 mins too early probably..

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maybe checked in at the initial SS3 time without counting the 4min delay from SS2...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Impressed by Evans this morning being ahead of tarmac men Sordo & Bouffier. :)

[makinen_fan]

Serderidis knocked a wheel off

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzA0VjCIcAARMPE.jpg

[jonkka]

Ogier checked in 4 mins too early probably..

Penalty confirmed, Ogier now eight minutes from the lead.

[bluuford]

Marty McCormack ‏@martymccormack We have went off on SS2 both ok :-(

[Ucci]

i really cant understant all this with gt cars at rallies.

because the drivers are fuc...ing crazy to drive those beasts. Whenever they are close to top R5 drivers, they deserve applause.....

[rage82]

Asked from WRC live TV about the time penalty Ogier answered: ask my co driver he's the master of time ( ironically ). Not a good behavior in my opinion - of course it's Julien's mistake but it sounds he is blaming him and it's not needed after already losing 4 min.

[Rallyper]

Did Evans make it to the service?

[Mintexmemory]

Asked from WRC live TV about the time penalty Ogier answered: ask my co driver he's the master of time ( ironically ). Not a good behavior in my opinion - of course it's Julien's mistake but it sounds he is blaming him and it's not needed after already losing 4 min.

Put yourself in his shoes, looking to close out the Championship he has the car and the Co-driver go wrong on him - he can't shout at the car! (unless he's Basil Fawltey ... one for Brits there!)

In his early WRC days I recall he treated Julien to a 10 min tirade following an error, they are still together.

[rage82]

I'm not saying that it isn't Julien's fault but looks unprofessional to speak like that in front of tv cameras. They can discuss that between themselves.

[dimviii]

because the drivers are fuc...ing crazy to drive those beasts. Whenever they are close to top R5 drivers, they deserve applause.....

at rallies? i find it f....ng stupid.But thats me.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzA2hJiIcAA_MV4.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10450850_716970345049690_6306414324728567554_n.jpg ?oh=18b9b52329f4de402997b07158bb3a26&oe=54B1DAEC&__gda__=1422639152_bd0c5c750ea4363252452b5966178ab b

[Mintexmemory]

I'm not saying that it isn't Julien's fault but looks unprofessional to speak like that in front of tv cameras. They can discuss that between themselves.

:) - I believe they might have an 'extensive' discussion in private - Sport is boring if everyone that is asked a question by a journo reverts to PR corporate-speak. I think not hiding his emotions at all times possibly gets it out of his system before he starts concentration mode again. As I say Seb has improved he wasn't shouting at Julien in public this time!

[stefanvv]

I'm not saying that it isn't Julien's fault but looks unprofessional to speak like that in front of tv cameras. They can discuss that between themselves.

That's fighting spirit. Observers like to watch

[A FONDO]

In his early WRC days I recall he treated Julien to a 10 min tirade following an error, they are still together.

Was it when Julien took a short-cut during the recce? :D

[stefanvv]

power is an advantage.period.

350+ bhp on rear wheels and 0 at front is definitelly cornering disadvantage.

EDIT: on the other hand engine in the trunk helps the traction. Porsches are exciting to watch and listen, especially in the forests.

[Mintexmemory]

Had JML kept it together in Germany the Championship would now be wide open. Any conspiracy theorists believe VW are trying to manipulate a close finish for WDC? - It's not like they aren't into manipulation for end of competition excitement ;)

[Mirek]

350+ bhp on rear wheels and 0 at front is definitelly cornering disadvantage.

It's not cornering disadvantage at all (that's why all formula cars are RWD). It's only traction and handling disadvantage in specific rally conditions (changeable grip, bumpy surface etc.).

[rage82]

That's fighting spirit. Observers like to watch
The fighting spirit must be between competitors, not in the cocpit in my opinion.It's normal human relationships, of course Ogier is angry and and he has the right to be but it's childish to say he made the mistake ask him as Ogier is faultless all the time.

[KKS]

Asked from WRC live TV about the time penalty Ogier answered: ask my co driver he's the master of time ( ironically ). Not a good behavior in my opinion - of course it's Julien's mistake but it sounds he is blaming him and it's not needed after already losing 4 min.

typical Ogier....

Only Ogier is a king - all others servants

[dimviii]

Porsches are exciting to watch and listen, especially in the forests.

to listen yes,to watch no.

[stefanvv]

... as Ogier is faultless all the time.

No, he is not faultless and admits it when the fault is his.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkOrVBDEtEc&feature=share

[noel157]

Was Ogier's spin caused by the engine fault or did the spin cause the fault?

[noel157]

Did Evans make it to the service?

Just about made it back (unless it came off a tow truck but nobody is helping him, Malcolm isn't :) so perhaps not):

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/13901_bza_8qfcuael8w9.jpg

[noel157]

Looks like they pushed it all the way:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzA7itKIAAAssSZ.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport service area looks empty now - assume Evans ok to continue.

[KKS]

At least we know how make rally a bit more interesting... just delay one stage for 4 min and Ogier make all other by himself

[stefanvv]

Was Ogier's spin caused by the engine fault or did the spin cause the fault?

Diffs lock can cause a spin. I don't know though how a spin could break the engine/gearbox without hitting something.

[dimviii]

Just about made it back (unless it came off a tow truck but nobody is helping him, Malcolm isn't :) so perhaps not):


he was 10 min late and took 1,4 min penalty
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/results/live/penalties/page/61-294-59--.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

he was 10 min late and took 1,4 min penalty
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/results/live/penalties/page/61-294-59--.html

Big shame - didnt deserve that bad luck. :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzA7FruIYAEaWwx.jpg:large

[noel157]

M-Sport quotes:

Elfyn Evans (4th +penalty) said:

"It was all going really well this morning. I didn't have a great feeling with the set-up, but it was good to see that the times were coming so naturally, even without a perfect feeling in the car. Then at the end of the stage we had a warning light appear on the dash and the car stopped on the liaison back to service. We had no choice but to push the car into regroup, which wasn't easy!

"It's obviously very disappointing but I think that we can be encouraged by the times we were able to set. There's still a long way to go, so we just need to continue as we have and try to claw back as many points as possible."

Robert Kubica (7th) said:

"It's been an okay morning – we've been driving smoothly with no mistakes. The first two stages were quite slippery so it was hard to believe how much grip there was in the last one [SS3]. The tyres were up to temperature and everything worked well."

Mikko Hirvonen (8th) said:

"I was struggling with the tyres quite a lot and the set-up wasn't quite right. The car is over-steering a lot so we need to make some changes to make it [the set-up] similar to what it was in Germany as I was much happier with the car there. Hopefully then we can have better pace."

Dennis Kuipers (11th) said:

"It took a while to get used to the new tyres this morning as we didn't have the opportunity to do a lot of testing with them, but the rhythm is coming and I was pleased with the driving on the last stage [of the morning, SS3]"

Yuriy Protasov (12th WRC) said:

"This morning has been an okay morning for us. We want to build on our speed throughout the weekend, but we have made no mistakes and taken no risks, which is the most important thing for the moment."

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Why didn't Mikko have the Germany set-up to begin with?

[dimviii]

some incars from today
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmUycCoEV1x3dFeFyGf3WoxNmyyb6rKBX

[Mintexmemory]

M-Sport quotes:

Dennis Kuipers (11th) said:

"It took a while to get used to the new tyres this morning as we didn't have the opportunity to do a lot of testing with them, but the rhythm is coming and I was pleased with the driving on the last stage [of the morning, SS3]"

Yuriy Protasov (12th WRC) said:

"This morning has been an okay morning for us. We want to build on our speed throughout the weekend, but we have made no mistakes and taken no risks, which is the most important thing for the moment."



Would have been nice to know what their view of their position was, relative to Kevin Abbring. I think he knew he had to impress from the very start as who knows when the T16 is going to develop yet another unforeseen problem. Impress he has!

[KKS]

old link for sport+ doesn't work now :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Volkswagen Motorsport Update: Ogier lost time thru SS2 due to a shift sensor failure.

[makinen_fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdAIVwBGvQY&feature=youtu.be

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10672417_728409310542173_8850203856144433418_n.jpg ?oh=86b77c2cbf63228d8e944e0c171266c3&oe=54C18B31

[jonkka]

Ogier is in a hurry

[rage82]

old link for sport+ doesn't work now :(
Same for me. Bartek where are you?;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sébastien Ogier ‏
"Everything is working well now. We’ll try to get some pleasure. The only target is the Power Stage"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

old link for sport+ doesn't work now :(

Dont think the stages are on live TV this afternoon, just the final SSS ...

[rage82]

Dont think the stages are on live TV this afternoon, just the final SSS ...
it's not live but they will stream ss4, ss5, ss6 a little bit later, actually in 17 min. for ss4.

[KKS]

Dont think the stages are on live TV this afternoon, just the final SSS ...

all stages - live

Becs now watch that last left corner drama on TV

[Mirek]

New turbo for Neuville.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdAIVwBGvQY&feature=youtu.be

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10672417_728409310542173_8850203856144433418_n.jpg ?oh=86b77c2cbf63228d8e944e0c171266c3&oe=54C18B31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VdAIVwBGvQY

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans - 'Now the car is going a well. We had a difficult stage in there, I did not have a good feeling, the car is sliding a lot. Struggling a little bit with grip in there.'

Still beat Mikko though ! :)

[makinen_fan]

Live footage is on here but delayed (Meeke just finished):
http://live.drakulastream.eu/static/freepopups/24404005744850.html

Hope next one is live

[JTGANG]

at DS3 R3T there are 4 Citroen's in the same second !!!!

[jonkka]

Ogi must have had a moment at split 2 because even Mikko is faster after that.

[makinen_fan]

Ogi must have had a moment at split 2 because even Mikko is faster after that.

Broken FR damper

[dimviii]

Ogi must have had a moment at split 2 because even Mikko is faster after that.

if you watch other splits doesnt seem like that.


edit you are right i was watching 3rd split.

[jonkka]

if you watch other splits doesnt seem like that.

What do you mean, splits after split 2 or splits from other drivers at split 2?

[stefanvv]

What do you mean, splits after split 2 or splits from other drivers at split 2?

Ogier not on pace at all splits

[bluuford]

Still no live stream? Non of the above links working fro me

[jonkka]

Yes, that's true - except split 1.

[stefanvv]

Fri 14:18 - SS5: More trouble for Ogier
"Nothing to get in the race now - just to drive. Unfortunately the car is not perfect. On the first stage this afternoon we broke the left front damper. This isn't the rally I wanted..."

[raybak]

WRC+ crap support, can't login and no response from their support.

[makinen_fan]

Still no live stream? Non of the above links working fro me
there is basketball now :confused:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen going really well again - maybe he can challenge Ogier & JML next season if he continues to improve.

[jonkka]

Mikkelsen going really well again - maybe he can challenge Ogier & JML next season if he continues to improve.

That's quite a tall order, but I agree that he's been progressing in leaps and bounds. If he could score his maiden win, then real challenge to other VW guys could be in the cards.

[bluuford]

Tiedemand stopped...Koltun stopped and Chardonnet lost 2 minutes (looks like puncture time).. all in one stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's quite a tall order, but I agree that he's been progressing in leaps and bounds. If he could score his maiden win, then real challenge to other VW guys could be in the cards.

Yes that would be a massive sign of progress, plus he is driving with no pressure as the No.3 in the team. But if he could get into the lead here we would see how he reacts - and if JML has a problem it could happen...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone else finding slow times on WRC.com & rally-base ?

I'm now using - http://best-of-rallylive.com/Evenements/Rallye-de-France-2014#ong_spec