Rallye du Valais 2014

[arnmar4]

Hi there,

has anyone info about the rally 2014.

Who drive with?

regards

Arnmar4

[Jarek Z]

According to Autoklub.pl Swiss race&rally driver Jonathan Hirschi is going to compete in Rallye de France - Alsace and Rallye International du Valais. The problem is that the car that he bought is... Peugeot 208 T16. Does that mean that he is crazy? ;)

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/32eb91_c243129980a64b6c85a4dda68806e693.jpg_srz_p_ 419_280_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

[Jarek Z]

Judging from the interview after Cyprus Rally Kajto is also going to compete in Valais.

[pucky54]

Judging from the interview after Cyprus Rally Kajto is also going to compete in Valais.

Of course. He said before that he will do the rest of the season starting with Barum Rally

[mousti]

Ingram with the Peugeot UK 208R2

[HaCo]

Looking forward to this one.

[Jarek Z]

According to the article at
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/5722
Bruno Magalhaes is going to contest both Valais and Corsica.

[mousti]

Abbring with 208 R5!

Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 5 met Tapatalk

[PLuto]

Both Peugeot Rally Academy drivers will be in Valais.

[arnmar4]

Neil Simpson in Skoda Fabia S2000

http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/5764/t/Simpson-recruits-Edmondson-for-Erc-Swiss-roleNeil

[RICARDO75]

Entries are closed but, the list will only be released on Monday.
Could we have something like this?

ERC
Kajetan Kajetanowicz (POL) Ford Fiesta R5
Craig Breen (IRL) Peugeot 208 T16
Kevin Abbring Jr (NLD) Peugeot 208 T16
Bruno Magalhães (PRT) Peugeot 208 T16
Jonathan Hirschi (CHE) Peugeot 208 T16
Robert Consani (FRA) Peugeot 207 S2000 ?
Laszlo Vizin (HUN) Peugeot 207 S2000
Esapekka Lappi (FIN) Škoda Fabia S2000
Sepp Wiegand (DEU) Škoda Fabia S2000
Jaromír Tarabus (CZE) Škoda Fabia S2000 (ok)
Antonín Tlusťák (CZE) Škoda Fabia S2000 (ok)
Jaroslav Orsák (CZE) Škoda Fabia S2000 (ok)
Neil Simpson (IRL) Škoda Fabia S2000
Tomas Kurka (CZE) Škoda Fabia S2000 (new)
Sébastien Carron (CHE) Peugeot 207 S2000
Ivan Balinari (CHE) Peugeot 207 S2000
Gregoire Hotz (CHE) Peugeot 207 S2000 ?
Nicolas Althaus (CHE) Peugeot 208 T16
Olivier Burri (CHE) Ford Fiesta RRC ?
Pascal Perroud (CHE) Skoda Fabia S2000 ?

ERC PC
Vitaliy Pushkar (UKR) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 ?
Martin Hudec (CZE) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX (ok)
Ruedi Schmidlin (CHE) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X ?
Urs Hunzinker (CHE) Subaru Impreza STI WRX or Mini Cooper RRC ?

JERC
Florin Tincescu (ROU) Citroën C2 R2 Max
Tomáš Pospíšilík (CZE) Citroën C2 R2 Max ?
Mattias Olsson (SWE) Ford Fiesta R2 ?
Alex Parpottas (GBR) Ford Fiesta R2 ?
Andrea Crugnola (ITA) Peugeot 208 R2
Aleks Zawada (POL) Peugeot 208 R2
Chris Ingram (GBR) Peugeot 208 R2
Stephen Wright (IRL) Peugeot 208 R2 ?
Fabio Andolfi (ITA) Peugeot 208 R2
Petter Kristiansen (NOR) Škoda Fabia R2 ?

ERC 2WD
Cédric Althaus (CHE) Citroën DS3 R3T ?
Pascal Bron (CHE) Citroën DS3 R3T ?
Mike Coopens (CHE) Citroën DS3 R3T ?
Jonathan Sceidegger (CHE) Citroën DS3 R3T ?
Federico Della Casa (CHE) Citroën ?
Michaël Burri (CHE) Renault Clio R3T ?
Jérémie Toedtli (CHE) Peugeot 208 R2 ?
Renato Pita (PRT) Peugeot 208 R2
Kristóf Klausz (HUN) Renault Clio R3 ?
Alexandru Filip (ROU) Renault Clio R3 ?

[Jarek Z]

Wow! That would be a great entry list. But is it possible?

[PLuto]

For sure not all written name will be there. But most of them yeas. And also some more... ;)

[skarderud]

Petter kristiansen vil not be there, he crashed heavy at last round in norwegian championchip in a subaru. His codriver get some injuries in his back, and probably need the budget to rebuild the subaru:)

[PLuto]

Petter kristiansen vil not be there, he crashed heavy at last round in norwegian championchip in a subaru. His codriver get some injuries in his back, and probably need the budget to rebuild the subaru:)

I think he will not be rebuilding this Subaru...

[RICARDO75]

Petter kristiansen vil not be there, he crashed heavy at last round in norwegian championchip in a subaru. His codriver get some injuries in his back, and probably need the budget to rebuild the subaru:)

I saw a picture of the Subaru and in fact was quite damaged, but the Norwegian Championship also is over. I didn't know that his codriver had hurt and this would be a reason not to be in the Rallye Valais.

[skarderud]

Maybe they dont, they dont know yet.
Its quite damaged, they did a double frontflip in quite high speed.
Ole Kristian, the codriver, has a compression in his upper back it seems.

[arnmar4]

Martin Hudec, Tomáš Kurka, Jaroslav Orsák, Jaromír Tarabus and Antonín Tlusťák will all be in action when Rallye International du Valais


http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/5782/t/Czech-quintet-for-Swiss-Erc-adventure

[arnmar4]

Erc Rallye du Valais goes 3D

http://www.riv.ch/parcours/rally/index.html

[PLuto]

According to latest info 21 S2000/R5/RRC cars...

[harriswrc]

Entrylist announced
http://riv.ch/en/competitors/public.html?download=326%3Aentry-list-erc

[Mirek]

Very nice list although the order is strange.

[Jarek Z]

Very nice list although the order is strange.

I agree, it should be an interesting rally.

[Criterium]

The order of priority drivers will depend on the qualifying stage result.

[Criterium]

RIV and RallyVista renewed their cooperation for the 3D map.
http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/38/23/21/presrv20.jpg (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1110&u=15382321)

I remind the link:
http://www.riv.ch/parcours/rally/index.html

[RICARDO75]

Kajetanowicz Test
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.855665357800067.1073741882.125298694170074&type=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIREu7zk2rU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfdcsom1xAw

[dodge33cymru]

That 3d map is fine, but is there a simpler list of stages anywhere? Can't find it for toffee on their website.

Cheers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That 3d map is fine, but is there a simpler list of stages anywhere? Can't find it for toffee on their website.

Cheers.

Itinerary:

http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/files/eventdetail/24/fia_erc_2014_riv_itinerary.pdf

[WRC1]

simple stagemaps...jpeg or pdf...would be very welcome...

[Criterium]

First general maps with timing (we call it "criterium maps" in France):

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/540/Rkx6nn.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f0Rkx6nnj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/540/viNoAO.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f0viNoAOj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/905/49muc9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/p549muc9j)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/674/KnzDk9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/iqKnzDk9j)

[Criterium]

Maps of 1st day (incl. shakedown):

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/538/loRIlO.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyloRIlOj) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/538/KW3C6E.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyKW3C6Ej)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/674/YwjBsf.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/iqYwjBsfj) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/661/9ZTkHx.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/id9ZTkHxj)

[Criterium]

Maps of the 2nd day:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/743/hp4b8V.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/knhp4b8Vj) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/540/EqTLfz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f0EqTLfzj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/912/bqW3zy.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pcbqW3zyj) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/661/HIQQrn.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/idHIQQrnj)

[Criterium]

Maps of the 3rd day:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/904/3rbQkv.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/p43rbQkvj) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/673/Pf0SQH.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ipPf0SQHj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/537/WemV6K.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/exWemV6Kj) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/537/0Hndfw.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ex0Hndfwj)

[Criterium]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/913/PaBBkE.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pdPaBBkEj)

[dodge33cymru]

Much appreciated sir!

Just out of interest, am I being a moron not finding them on the official website?

Trying to make the decision between visiting Valais and Catalunya. Anyone been to this event that can tell me (a rallying novice) why it's special?

[Criterium]

It is the choice of the responsible of the organization to reserve the detailed maps to the competitors. Maybe he want sale more programs, but I haven't dare so far to ask him...

[Criterium]

And to advise you, I think that there is no contest btween Valais and Catalunya.

Except WRC competitors (and the starting list of the RIV is not trifling this year), you can't compare beautiful mountain swiss roads (with some gravel parts) and Spanish expressways. In addition snowy summits in the bottom are so beautiful !

[dodge33cymru]

Thanks for that advice. I've found some cheap flights to Basel and somewhere to stay, now wondering which stages are the best ones to view at. Any suggestions?

[Criterium]

Basel is not the closest airport. Did you try Geneva ?

For stage suggestions, there are plenty of spots. Les Masses jump in ss5-9 is the most famous. This is the second day and you can complete with the spectator stage of Caserne. The entry is not free like the other stages but 10CHF is not too much and the atmosphere is unique with a lot of spectators).
For first day you can attend the qualifying stage and shakedown at Sion. It is the same place for service park and scrutineering. The afternoon you have to choose one place. It seems difficult to see more except if you watch few competitors in the first spectator area of ss1 (an hairpin) and you go directly to Saint-Romain in ss3. Famous spots are also Aminona hairpin and Anzère corner in ss2. The 3rd spectator area of ss1 could be interesting (We are not sure because the stage is run for the first time): a very quick approach on the wide road and a sudden deviation to a small road "diving" and running to a narrow tunnel.
I recommand a mix in the 3rd day: an hairpin (second spectator area) a the start of ss12 (10min of walk), then ss15 (easiest are Saxon jump or Charat compression in the vineyards, but there are plenty of good spots on the top), then service park in Martigny and cool time at Lourtier water crossing (with additionnal tight corners and panorama on the following climb) for the last afternoon.

[Criterium]

SS5-9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpTIun5EZq0

[dodge33cymru]

I did, but Basel is £80 and Geneva is £200, and I'm used to a lot of driving (I have to drive 3 hours in the UK to get to the airport too!), so that's not a problem.

I like some of your suggestions thanks, in particular I saw lots of videos with cars travelling through grass fields with lots of tape, and this is the sort of area I try to avoid. Happy with long walks/drives into the hills to get a bit closer to the action.

On Saturday I will have to see the earliest stage at Champax-Lac to be able to get back to the airport in time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

RIV is the place for scenery ...

Chris Ingram ‏@1 ChrisIngram
Arrived at the team chalet for rallye du valais ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0UgKEACYAAVjFS.jpg:large

[PLuto]

Much appreciated sir!

Just out of interest, am I being a moron not finding them on the official website?

Trying to make the decision between visiting Valais and Catalunya. Anyone been to this event that can tell me (a rallying novice) why it's special?

It is very strange choice - between ERC/WRC and Valais/Catalunya. I must say that I was on both events and my choice is very simple, I am going to Valais because of ERC. Both events are very specific. Weather in Valais will be colder, there are tarmac stages with lot of different types (sometimes you are like on Monte, sometimes like on Deutschland, sometimes like on Barum, sometimes like on Madeira), amazing mountain scenery, good entry list, more friendly atmosphere. But prices are quite higher, two different service areas. And timetable isnt the best all the time (for example only one stage on Thursday). Catalunya on the other hand has gravel and tarmac stages. I have been there twice, if I am correct. Stages are not bad, but I liked much more stages near Lloret and Vic. Weather there will be much better, service area in adventure park is perfect also. Start list is not bad, but I dont like WRC events due to their format so much (it is more about reliability of the cars than racing for the time, especially in lower categories).

So, if I can do both, I will go to both. If I must choose, I prefer Valais (for me more beautiful stages and absolutely amazing nature). And more crews who can win :)

[mousti]

First snows have been fallen around region of Valais and on the PET Stage of Skoda Motorsport...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10394816_369140643241244_4637841009871279163_n.jpg ?oh=cfa6f1674ba45b0b2b8741a17e1032e6&oe=54B2C1E3&__gda__=1420592490_9b5ffb495dc11c066a7f9c8623ffbff 4

[EightGear]

Yay!

[Juha_Koo]

So is there a possibility for Monte-like conditions during the rally?

[Mirek]

So is there a possibility for Monte-like conditions during the rally?

There has always been ;) Actually there was snow in several occasions in last years (2012 mainly I think). The problem is that no studs were allowed so the snow caused quite a lot of troubles to the crews.

A question to someone knowing... is the stage high on the mountain ski slopes in the itinerary? I mean the one which was nearly undriveable in 2012.

[HaCo]

Looking forward to this one!

[AndyRAC]

Who had the bright idea of ERC/ WRC clashing events. Personally, I'd go to Valais. Remember 2008 when it was the first IRC event with Live coverage.

[nafpaktos]

There has always been ;) The problem is that no studs were allowed so the snow caused quite a lot of troubles to the crews.

This stupid regulation is still in force?

[Mirek]

I don't know. Have a look into supplementary regulations if You want to know.

[Wim_Impreza]

Who had the bright idea of ERC/ WRC clashing events. Personally, I'd go to Valais. Remember 2008 when it was the first IRC event with Live coverage.

Who cares about the boring Rally de Catalunya? That is for sure the most boring event in the WRC for years in my opinion. The stages in the Rallye du Valais were much more better, there are more candidate winners, the scenery is fantastic, the weather is changeable and there can 3 marques win in the ERC, while in the WRC it is only Volkswagen. The win for Hyundai in Germany was very lucky and they don't have the speed to win another event this season.

[dodge33cymru]

Damn, no hire car being available anywhere in southern France (long story) has put paid to my attempts to get there, but now I'm very hyped up. Is the only coverage available for this the usual Eurosport 30 minute roundups?

[Wim_Impreza]

Even no Europcar that can help you?

Yes, the only coverage on TV for Valais is the Eurosport 30 minute roundups and on Tuesday evening a review of the rally in 30 minutes. Of course there is also the ERC website.

[EightGear]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads8/544807227fb17/544807226babe-valaissnow.jpg

Pic by Mats Gulba of MGRallyVideos.

[dodge33cymru]

Even no Europcar that can help you?

Yes, the only coverage on TV for Valais is the Eurosport 30 minute roundups and on Tuesday evening a review of the rally in 30 minutes. Of course there is also the ERC website.
Yep, not Europcar, not Hertz, not Sixth, not Avis and no one else either it seems. Pity, as it looks like it's going to be superb from these pictures, deserves more than half an hour of attention!

[PLuto]

A question to someone knowing... is the stage high on the mountain ski slopes in the itinerary? I mean the one which was nearly undriveable in 2012.

no

[PLuto]

Even no Europcar that can help you?

Yes, the only coverage on TV for Valais is the Eurosport 30 minute roundups and on Tuesday evening a review of the rally in 30 minutes. Of course there is also the ERC website.

Every year there is also lot of coverage on Swiss TV. I think this year it will be the same...

[PLuto]

Yep, not Europcar, not Hertz, not Sixth, not Avis and no one else either it seems. Pity, as it looks like it's going to be superb from these pictures, deserves more than half an hour of attention!

It is really strange. Why you are not going directly to Swiss? There is no problem to rent the cars here in Swiss. And I was just in contact with Avis and there is no problem to rent a car in Lyon...

[bluuford]

I had a little time to check the weather forecast and it looks like it is currently snowing on some stages (starting from elevation 900 m). today in the afternoon the temperature drops and it can be as low as -5..-6 on Friday morning at some stages. After that it becomes much warmer (+10..+15) and there should be no snow left by Friday afternoon. And it will be all sunny until the end of rally.

[dodge33cymru]

It is really strange. Why you are not going directly to Swiss? There is no problem to rent the cars here in Swiss. And I was just in contact with Avis and there is no problem to rent a car in Lyon...
Entirely my own fault: left it too late to book somewhere due to issues at work (didn't know what time off I could take) and the only place I can (afford to) fly to is Montpellier, arriving late Thursday night. Too late to get to Lyon before the middle of Friday. I appreciate the information though.

Not to worry, will plan early for next year and hopefully be able to this one for the same low cost as Sweden and Ypres this year!

[PLuto]

Local weather forecast is same as Bluuford told. Actually there is snowing in 1500 m and according to informations there is 6 kms of snow on SS 2.

[Jarek Z]

I don't know where exactly this photo was taken, but this is Skoda's test session before Rallye du Valais. Looks nice, doesn't it? Take your winter jackets with you guys! :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10706_10202036682477295_2288540378061342219_n.jpg? oh=7229657a04eecca05244fd70180dcd2c&oe=54ED9950&__gda__=1421143511_d279d19b9abe7eb2ea94c419ff1ec15 e

[Jarek Z]

Here is how the new 208 T16 looks like in the snow ;) Both photos were taken by Marek Pleha.

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10262139_761312233923270_9004002329321432040_n.jpg ?oh=fb10c2a8a7e558fbbe0a6f0ea053841d&oe=54F4C63C

[bluuford]

Local weather forecast is same as Bluuford told. Actually there is snowing in 1500 m and according to informations there is 6 kms of snow on SS 2.

Now I just discovered that three stages will be held today:-) Currently it looks like major parts of SS2 and SS3 might be nearly undriveable with unproper tires on that time. I hope I am wrong this time:-) I expect very difficult conditions for SS4 and SS5 as well.

[Mirek]

Local weather forecast is same as Bluuford told. Actually there is snowing in 1500 m and according to informations there is 6 kms of snow on SS 2.

Are studs allowed?

[Jarek Z]

ERC standings before Rallye du Valais :)

http://d3jw5gs1mh13h6.cloudfront.net/uploads/photobank/seasons/2014/news/small/small_four221014.jpg

[mousti]

I think only slicks allowed?

[bluuford]

Finally it seems that the situation is not so bad as the snow that was falling on the lower elevation melted immediately. It is visible that snow should be from around the elevation 1350 m.

[Mirek]

Live results from QS: http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/24

[Jarek Z]

Bad news for Kajto on the qualification stage:
"I like this tarmac, but now we had a problem with the electric because the engine was stop in the middle of the stage, maybe 7 or 10 seconds in the middle of the stage. Bad news..."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen fastest on QS & chooses to be second on the road.. hope thats the right choice !

[Criterium]

Few answers "en vrac":
- Pictures of (canceled) tests with snow were taken on the slopes of Saint-Bernard pass.
- Verbier stage of 2012 held among ski slopes is not held this year. 2014 Verbier stage is the former "Val de Bagnes" lengthened to Verbier.
- Weather is sunny today on the Valais but were snowy yesterday above 1000m. As result SS2 is shortened to 4.2km (Aminona)

[Criterium]

I forgot one thing: Studs are not allowed.

[Mirek]

Thank You

[nafpaktos]

Nice move
http://s14.postimg.org/4fx6uvfdd/jules.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
free pic (http://postimage.org/)

[Criterium]

Official info: following SS shortening, no "partial" ERC points will be given today.
In addition, no change for starting order tomorrow.

erratum: �Skoda had tests on the snow yesterday.

[EightGear]

Lappi + Wiegand onboards on QS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48wqEJ3u38

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait for the start of the event :)

[EightGear]

Magalhaes has a problem already after 1 KM. No more cars started the stage after him so far.

[Vepe]

https://twitter.com/OpensTightens/status/525274157035302913/photo/1

[bluuford]

Looks like "technical problem"... driver induced;-)

[Tom206wrc]

Magalhaes crashed on "ice" :mark: :(

[wwbroe]

Three local Swiss drivers in top 6, they must be used to these kind of conditions.:D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen fastest on QS & chooses to be second on the road.. hope thats the right choice !

Wasnt good choice for SS1... lost time on melting snow. :(

[Mirek]

Wasnt good choice for SS1... lost time on melting snow. :(

That makes no sense. Abbring was driving just after him and was fastest of all on the stage.

[mousti]

Seems Swiss police is busy with stopping drivers on road section..

[mousti]

Abbring's 208 is stuck after FF something with gearbox

U got to be kidding me...

He can continue now, according on the radio it was something with brakes..

[HaCo]

Wiegand in the lead? :-D

[Jarek Z]

Abbring's 208 is stuck after FF something with gearbox

What is FF?

Sorry to bring bad news, but Breen has puncture on SS3 and loses over 1 minute :(

[Tom206wrc]

Crugnola leading the Junior ahead of Andolfi after two stages ;)

[Jarek Z]

Kajto only 7th on SS3 :(

Two Skodas in the lead!

[Mirek]

What is FF?

Fyling Finish (not Finnish :) )

About Kajto... 16 stages to go. Wayyyy to early for conclusions ;)

[Tom206wrc]

OK let's see what happens tomorrow, and...GO KEVIN :bounce:

[EightGear]

Abbring's 208 is stuck after FF something with gearbox

U got to be kidding me...

He can continue now, according on the radio it was something with brakes..

Did he have brake problems during the stage as well?

[liposh]

What is the trick of success of Skoda factory cars in SS3? Another tyre choice?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That makes no sense. Abbring was driving just after him and was fastest of all on the stage.

Wasnt Breen clearing the wet snow after Magalaes crashed.. ?

[EightGear]

Wasnt Breen clearing the wet snow after Magalaes crashed.. ?
There was no wet snow, just water and ice.

[bluuford]

Starting first on the road should have been big advantage. The first car might drag some debris from the corners to the line and today it was funny situation. It was warm during the day and it was getting quickly cooler. So, with every minute there was bigger risk of black ice.

The same problem might be tomorrow morning. Warm temperatures caused snow to melt rapidly and in many places roads were wet. It is cold overnight and it starts melting again in the morning. So, tomorrow there might be some disadvantage to start first (as the melting takes some time).

[dodge33cymru]

Does the start order change for tomorrow or is it the same as today's?

[RS]

Lappi + Wiegand onboards on QS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48wqEJ3u38

Really nice, especially Lappi.

I'll miss onboards of Fabia S2000 for sure. The acceleration out of slow corners from an NA engine still amazes me.

[HarriK]

Does the start order change for tomorrow or is it the same as today's?


Same as today, because SS2 was shortened. Also no day points awarded today...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen gets no luck yet again - having to be first through after car 1 crashed, then showed his pace with a stage win, then loses a minute with a puncture...

He may as well write off 2014, nothing is meant to be this year.

[PLuto]

Official info: following SS shortening, no "partial" ERC points will be given today.
In addition, no change for starting order tomorrow.

erratum: �Skoda had tests on the snow yesterday.

No bonus points for first leg has nothing to do with shortening the stage. Also before shortening, leg one was not long enough for bonus points, so from beginning are bonus points after leg1+leg2 together.

[PLuto]

Seems Swiss police is busy with stopping drivers on road section..

This is normal here. Police is almost everywhere every year.

[PLuto]

Fyling Finish (not Finnish :) )

About Kajto... 16 stages to go. Wayyyy to early for conclusions ;)

I was on the stage (watching cars, almost unbelievable on normal stage) and Kajto was doing... ...like he is not in his skin.

[PLuto]

Does the start order change for tomorrow or is it the same as today's?

Because of shortened SS 2, first leg has less than 10% of stages length, so there is no change of starrting order for second leg.

[HarriK]

I say first very icy photo of Kajto's car in parc ferme. Then said to friend "guess how Peugeot's may start in that cold weather".
And 10 minutes later this photo:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0smxV5CQAAwFNv.png:large

"cars 1 & 7 pushed to the service"

[wwbroe]

So, both are taking penalty?

[HarriK]

So, both are taking penalty?

don't know yet...

[Mirek]

[SS4] Sierre-Annivivers 1
Kevin ABBRING (PEUGEOT)
Looks like Abbring did not start the stage...

What to say...

[wwbroe]

don't know yet...

If they couldn't leave parc fermé on their own, means they will take penalty i suppose. Pluto, help us out there:)

[HarriK]

"He (Abbring) was already stopped before the time control, some problem for sure. Quite okay, from the start a few kilometres were very slippery, then the tyres started to work." Lappi said.

[wwbroe]

[SS4] Sierre-Annivivers 1
Kevin ABBRING (PEUGEOT)
Looks like Abbring did not start the stage...

What to say...

What a bad luck for Kevin once more, wonder how he keeps up with it:(

[HarriK]

If they couldn't leave parc fermé on their own, means they will take penalty i suppose. Pluto, help us out there:)


of course, but we don't know if they could start and drove out and after that pushed to the service...
I wonder why Peugeot have done cold start practice? Even amateur teams here in Finland leave car for a night out of garage for to do cold starts and make sure everything is ok...

[Mirek]

Do we know who except Consani is on Pirelli tyres? Looks like they work really good as usually in cold conditions.

[HarriK]

K9 Pirelli for Consani. He is happy.

[Eli]

Peugeot needs to take a sabatical and work on their very unreliable 208 R5

[EightGear]

What a comedy show that 208.

[Eli]

What a comedy show that 208.

don't think it's a comedy show for Abring and Breen

[Mirek]

The worst thing is that I can imagine them to stop the ERC program for next year. Of course I hope they'll continue...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

don't think it's a comedy show for Abring and Breen

At least Breen now fastest on two stages so far (SS2 & 4) showing the car is fast when it runs... sad for Abbring though.

[wwbroe]

At least Breen now fastest on two stages so far (SS2 & 4) showing the car is fast when it runs... sad for Abbring though.
We allready knew that the car is fast, Abbring has proved it many times before, the problem is that it is not reliable at all, only exception was Rallye Alsace.

[Mirek]

Broken driveshaft for Mark Higgins :(

[Jarek Z]

I say first very icy photo of Kajto's car in parc ferme.

Where is this very icy photo of Kajto's car in parc ferme?

[makinen_fan]

Where is this very icy photo of Kajto's car in parc ferme?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0sk8YBCEAEGqno.jpg

[wwbroe]

It looks strange to see Wiegand leading the rally, we are not really used to that. Lappi isn't very convincing sofar for me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Abbring out - clutch.

[Jarek Z]

It looks strange to see Wiegand leading the rally, we are not really used to that. Lappi isn't very convincing sofar for me.

Yes, but Lappi said before the rally, that he has different goal here. He is mostly interested in collecting points to win ERC, so I don't think he is pushing very hard.

[Jarek Z]

Abbring out - clutch.

So summing up - just 3 stages and 3 problems for the 208:
1) brakes
2) starting the car
3) clutch

Sad to see that after his good result in Rallye de France.

[mousti]

Clutch problem for Abbring it seems..

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[wwbroe]

Breen complaining about some issue on his car now, alltough he is faster as Lappi by 6 sec.

[AdvEvo]

You can not always give the car the blame! A driver can kill brakes and clutch when overdriven also. Rally driving is also getting to the finish within the capabilities of the car you have.

[Jarek Z]

You can not always give the car the blame! A driver can kill brakes and clutch when overdriven also. Rally driving is also getting to the finish within the capabilities of the car you have.

Yes, but as far as I know Kevin Abbring isn't famous for killing cars :)

[Juha_Koo]

You can not always give the car the blame! A driver can kill brakes and clutch when overdriven also. Rally driving is also getting to the finish within the capabilities of the car you have.

In the case of 208... Well....

How can you even kill the clutch in R5 with overdriving? Especially as R5 doesn't need any "clutch kick" out from hairpins like S2000s do sometimes...

[HarriK]

If I saw one photo right in morning service, Wiegand has one spare tyre, Lappi has 2 tyres onboard.

And after SS5 Lappi takes lead! ---but let's wait still Kajto's time.

[mousti]

And Abbring came out of service.. U can't overdrive it on road section..

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[wwbroe]

Second best time for Kajto, third overall, but not too far away from the Skoda's

[wwbroe]

And another second best time for Kajto, he is now second overall at about 10 sec from rallyleader Lappi

[Fast Eddie WRC]

We allready knew that the (208) car is fast, Abbring has proved it many times before

But the Skoda has proven superior on asphalt mostly this season..

Breen deserves credit with 4 stage wins here.

[HarriK]

Lappi controls his speed, no attack at all! Superb job!

[Mirek]

Breen deserves credit with 3 stage wins now.

Breen has the speed but his problem is that he makes plenty of mistakes such as the puncture yesterday. When You watch him on stages You can clearly see why. He is all over the place taking a lot of risk.

[wwbroe]

But the Skoda has proven superior on asphalt mostly this season..

Breen deserves credit with 4 stage wins here.
I am not so sure that Skoda has proven faster on asfalt. Abbring was quicker as Loix in Ypres and also in Barum he was fast, only not for very long. The car is just way to fragile, especially when you are trying to attack with it. Only exception was Alsace and also in Italy with Andreucci.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You guys wont give Breen any credit - criticise him if he's slow, but when he's fast he's taking risks and when he has bad luck (punctures) its his fault...

[Mirek]

You guys wont give Breen any credit - criticise him if he's slow, but when he's fast he's taking risks and when he has bad luck its his fault...

You can not call bad luck something what happens all the time for years. It's his way of driving which causes the so called bad luck. It's extremely spectacular but also too risky. If You have ever been to an ERC rally You must have noticed that.

[wwbroe]

You guys wont give Breen any credit - criticise him if he's slow, but when he's fast he's taking risks and when he has bad luck (punctures) its his fault...

I am not criticising Breen, i think he is doing ok, but i absolutely agree with Mirek about his driving style. Even as a heavy fan of Craig you must have noticed that.

[Eli]

I am not criticising Breen, i think he is doing ok, but i absolutely agree with Mirek about his driving style. Even as a heavy fan of Craig you must have noticed that.

yep he does tend to push the cars to their limits..

[wwbroe]

Second run trough stages is now live

[Mirek]

If some of You thought that we had too long time without technical problems for 208 T16...

[SS8] Sierre-Annivivers 2
Craig BREEN (PEUGEOT)
"Not so bad, but unfortunately the handbrake is broken. It put me off a little bit as in places it is very slippy and you need the handbrake."

[wwbroe]

Breen broke the handbrake now, this Peugeot is really not well constructed.:(

[mousti]

That was the same problem for Petter in his last years. Very fast and spectacular but so many punctures...

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[Jarek Z]

Current list of problems in the 208:
1) brakes
2) starting cold engine
3) clutch
4) handbrake

I do it all to help Peugeot engineers ;)

I really hope that Breen finishes this rally!

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Kajto, good for him and Fiesta!!:)

[HarriK]

SS10, Lappi fastest and Wiegand had puncture and lost 45sec.

[EightGear]

Abbring will probably restart tomorrow.

[wwbroe]

Abbring will probably restart tomorrow.
That would be good, he can show some pace then.;)

[Eli]

so with all the trouble with the 208 Craig is 3rd, not bad at all

[manthey]

Current list of problems in the 208:
1) brakes
2) starting cold engine
3) clutch
4) handbrake

I do it all to help Peugeot engineers ;)

I really hope that Breen finishes this rally!

to me the starting problem is the most weird....We knew Peugeout had problem with heat's dissipation, why also with cold engine????

[Mirek]

Starting the engine in temperatures under zero is quite frequent problem but as somebody already said it shall be tested during the development (for example I know that such tests were done with Fabia S2000).

By the way we can add

5) Magalhaes's transmission broke on SS11

[liposh]

Extra points are just for 2nd leg or 1st+2nd leg together?

[stefanvv]

to me the starting problem is the most weird....We knew Peugeout had problem with heat's dissipation, why also with cold engine????

This problem has always existed in Peugeot Rally cars. Starting from 206 WRC.

[dimviii]

http://ewrc-results.com/quickp/13883_b0smpchieaax6n7.jpg

[nafpaktos]

Everything was designed wrong on this car.it seems to be a joke and not a rallycar.

[stefanvv]

As someone has said before - the Rally car must be engineered as reliable in first place. Then can be made faster by tweaking this and that.

[Filip]

The photo above is best illustration of this season for Peugeot.

[br21]

First you need to make fast car, then you should make it reliable.
It's relatively easy to make reliable but slow car, much more difficult to make fast one. When you've got good package - fast car - then you can focus on making it reliable. It's way easier than to make fast car from slow one.
Starting in cold it's often problem with rally cars, so you should prepare for it - by testing it and beeing prepared, at least with spare battery at exit of parc ferme time control.
Usually bigger problem is with starting atmospheric cars rather than turbo ones, as those first have more compression ratio - thus more difficult to turn the engine.

Anyway, this years performance of 208 R5 in ERC is farce... In Valais Abbring had problems with many things.

[stefanvv]

First you need to make fast car, then you should make it reliable.
It's relatively easy to make reliable but slow car, much more difficult to make fast one. When you've got good package - fast car - then you can focus on making it reliable. It's way easier than to make fast car from slow one.
Starting in cold it's often problem with rally cars, so you should prepare for it - by testing it and beeing prepared, at least with spare battery at exit of parc ferme time control.
Usually bigger problem is with starting atmospheric cars rather than turbo ones, as those first have more compression ratio - thus more difficult to turn the engine.

By "reliable" I mean to make it strong enough to survive the various conditions it'll face and still leave a room for performance imrovements. That is the way to build champion car imo, examples - VW Polo, Skoda Fabia S2000/R5. If You go totally wrong with something like the engine in reliability and homologation options are limited, sorry this is not the way.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/1654134_815691861807860_2998386677250746904_n.jpg? oh=a2de748be5d4426ba83cbc34c3d3ad63&oe=54AB8CEC&__gda__=1421209218_3406a6e9ad8c9559ab20ba79b061112 1

[wwbroe]

Ten minutes to start of last day stages, wonder if anybody can be a traith to Lappi?

[wwbroe]

Lappi extending his lead after first stage of the day

[wwbroe]

Breen taking second stage of the day, this stage has some gravel in it, isn't it?

[Mirek]

Both ones but this one had more gravel I think. That's what I love on these stages. There is incredible variety and all in the stunning countryside.

By the way Abbring was again faster ;)

[wwbroe]

Both ones but this one had more gravel I think. That's what I love on these stages. There is incredible variety and all in the stunning countryside.

By the way Abbring was again faster ;)
You are right, but i didn't see time of Kevin yet;)

[wwbroe]

Kevin Abbring is setting the fastest times, Lappi extending his lead to Kajto, who has to start looking behind, because Breen in approaching fast.

[Eli]

looks like (if the 208 won't fail him) Breen can take 2nd

[Mirek]

Next stage can change a lot. It's much longer and on todays stages the differences are bigger than yesterday. Without splits something extraordinary may happen.

[wwbroe]

Yes, this Les Cols stage is very tricky, and often something is happening at this one. It is really a great stage to run.

[wwbroe]

Despite having picked up a puncture a few kms before finish, Kevin is taking another besttime. Breen now only 2,2 sec away from Kajto. Looks like he will be second overall rather soon.

[dimviii]

i am very curious to know,how many stage wins has Abbring,stage wins at stages he has finished/compete.

[EightGear]

i am very curious to know,how many stage wins has Abbring,stage wins at stages he has finished/compete.
23 out of 50, including Valais.

[br21]

23 out of 50, including Valais.

And some of those he finished with car not working...

[wwbroe]

He is showing amazing speed, pitty his car is not up to his speed.

[dimviii]

23 out of 50, including Valais.

thanks EightGear,amazing stage win percentage from Kevin.

[wwbroe]

Kajto's engine on fire after the stage? That doesn't sound good. Breen has passed him now in overall classification.

[dimviii]

where is Abbring?

[wwbroe]

Surprisingly no besttime for Abbring, he is loosing 11 sec on this one.

[dimviii]

i jinxed him..

[wwbroe]

Tarabus went off on stage 17

[wwbroe]

Kajto didn't start SS17, so i guess it is over for him. Pitty, he was doing ok.

[Rallyper]

So Abbring failed again though driving without pressure. Car this time as well?

[dimviii]

Maybe this time wasnt 208 failure

from fiaerc.com

Kevin Abbring completed the stage with damage to the front of his Peugeot 208T16 following an overshoot

[EightGear]

But on the next stage he lost over a minute.

[Rally Talent]

Anyone figured out how the current positions will impact the championship standings?

[wwbroe]

What happened with Abbring, i don't see him in SS17 results?

[wwbroe]

He is in now, but loosing more then a minute, what happened?

[dimviii]

But on the next stage he lost over a minute.

probaby car is not ok from overshoot at previous stage

[EightGear]

He didn't start stage 18.

[wwbroe]

He didn't start stage 18.
I guess he retired then?

[EightGear]

I guess he retired then?
Yes probably, ERC site is reporting it could be because of damage of the overshoot on stage 16.

[Mirek]

Tarabus went off on stage 17

He said they had a nice view from there...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1504947_842903009087081_8762141056623519090_n.jpg? oh=2702c13726147df854e489c5752f3077&oe=54F3095F&__gda__=1425143236_2511bdba455974f78b01076add5f779 c

They hit a stone inside a bend.

[wwbroe]

One more stage to go and Lappi will have the win in his pocket.

[wwbroe]

He said they had a nice view from there...



They hit a stone inside a bend.

I believe him, i mean about the view:D

[Jarek Z]

I'm sorry to say that, but this sport doesn't make sense anymore. You pay 50 000 E for a rally and those super expensive technically sophisticated hyper cars from space break down as if they were some toys for a 3-year old kids!

I'm watching a football match of my local team (Lechia Gdansk against Slask Wroclaw) at the same time and sorry, but it makes much more fun. Following Rallye du Valais is more like waiting which car breakes down next. FIA has turned this sport into a parody :(

[Rally Talent]

Tactically a perfect race for him, I hope it will last until the finish line.



One more stage to go and Lappi will have the win in his pocket.

[Mirek]

I'm sorry to say that, but this sport doesn't make sense anymore. You pay 50 000 E for a rally and those super expensive technically sophisticated hyper cars from space break down as if they were some toys for a 3-year old kids!

The cars of today are way more reliable than those of the past (except the 208 T16 of course :) )...

[Mirek]

There are some very nice videos on the ERC website. Here a jumping compilation from the famous jump :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBskgK7zpE

This one of Breen with his two spins is a must watch! I just love these stages!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxqlPTYY0LQ

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The cars of today are way more reliable than those of the past (except the 208 T16 of course :) )...

What about the massively complex, super-fast Group B cars that regularly completed 45 stages, 1000+ road miles over 5 days ... 30 years ago ?!

I dont see the progress in reliability.

[Mirek]

What about the massively complex, super-fast Group B cars that regularly completed 45 stages, 1000+ road miles over 5 days ... 30 years ago ?!

I dont see the progress in reliability.

They had service after every stage...

They were not so complex. By the standards of today they were quite primitive ;)

[John Williams]

Consani never has any luck. He needs to buy a SKODA for 2015.

[Rally Talent]

Breen: "...Without the puncture I think we would have won. A great drive by Esapekka (Lappi). This has been good for the moment."

Quite a bold statement.

[wwbroe]

Breen: "...Without the puncture I think we would have won. A great drive by Esapekka (Lappi). This has been good for the moment."

Quite a bold statement.
It is not with words that you win a rally, it is by driving. Good victory for Lappi, he controlled rather easy, never made any mistake and was going quick when necessary.

[Rally Talent]

Oh, yes.


It is not with words that you win a rally, it is by driving. Good victory for Lappi, he controlled rather easy, never made any mistake and was going quick when necessary.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They had service after every stage...

They were not so complex. By the standards of today they were quite primitive ;)

500bhp, all new 4WD, some super- & turbo-charged, mid-engined...

Like to see today's cars do the same events and be more reliable.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen: "...Without the puncture I think we would have won. A great drive by Esapekka (Lappi). This has been good for the moment."

Quite a bold statement.

Yer, Breen is rubbish, just the 9 stage wins. :rolleyes:

[EightGear]

Abbring decided to stop because he might have damaged the driveshaft:

'4 stage wins out of 4 stages this morning! Not bad without having done any of the stages yesterday. Unfortunately we had a scary moment after clipping one of the white poles on the inside of a corner on the fifth stage, the impact was so hard on the steering wheel that it ripped it out of my hands so we were thrown into a metal barrier on the other side of the road. Car was ok but we maybe damaged a driveshaft and decided to stop. The foot of the white pole must have been sticking out at the bottom. My bad!'

Is Lappi still not champion?

[liposh]

Anyone figured out how the current positions will impact the championship standings?

Wiegand must win in Corsica anyway and hope and hope :-D I think 7th place for Lappi could be enough in all cases.
I didn´t calculate it exactly.

[Rally Talent]

Good job from him, but it was not enough to take control of the rally. He's a damn good driver though.


Yer, Breen is rubbish, just the 9 stage wins. :rolleyes:

[wwbroe]

Yer, Breen is rubbish, just the 9 stage wins. :rolleyes:
Nobody was saying he is rubbisch, he did good rally and took indeed 9 stage wins. But you must see also that Lappi was not pushing, because there was no need for that after Craig lost a minute with puncture very early in the rally. I think Lappi did intelligent rally, taking no risks at all.

[Rally Talent]

He is like that, but very few people realise it. Still, he keeps winning time after time. Potential for a true champion.


Nobody was saying he is rubbisch, he did good rally and took indeed 9 stage wins. But you must see also that Lappi was not pushing, because there was no need for that after Craig lost a minute with puncture very early in the rally. I think Lappi did intelligent rally, taking no risks at all.

[Mirek]

500bhp, all new 4WD, some super- & turbo-charged, mid-engined...

Like to see today's cars do the same events and be more reliable.

It's much easier to make the cars more reliable today, believe me. The option designers have now are something those from 1980' could not even dream of. The reason why the cars today are not 100% reliable is that the target is not such. They go to the limits of components to make the car faster. If they don't do that the opponent does. It's about finding a compromise. Let's call it calculated risk. To make the car faster than Your opponent You have to sacrifice something. There is no direct link between power and reliability. If WRC cars have 500 Hp the reliability will be most likely approximately same as it is now and that is very very good.

In case of R5 the problem is mainly in the rules. They must use plenty of stock components or plenty of parts with some given price limit. Now imagine how would You build a gr.B car from stock components in 1985. In those days it would be hilarious idea, totally impossible. Today it is possible. Of course in 1980' the gr.B cars were seen as complex but in 2014 most of stock cars are more complex than them.

[Jarek Z]

The cars of today are way more reliable than those of the past

You must be joking Mirek. Do you remamber season 2003 in ERC? Bruno Thiry was fighting head to head against Miguel Campos and:

Thiry - competed in 10 rallies, finished 8 (in all rallies he was 1st or 2nd overal), just 2 technical problems in the whole season, became champion

Campos - competed in 11 rallies, finished 8, only 1 technical problem in the whole season, 2nd in the championship, Campos also had a record of over 50 finished rallies in a row, I think it was between 2002 and 2004

Now look at the 208 T16 of Breen and Abbring, the 207 S2000 of Consani or the Fiesta R5 of Kajto...

[EightGear]

He is like that, but very few people realise it. Still, he keeps winning time after time. Potential for a true champion.
Well, Lappi quite stupidly crashed in Ypres and Barum. On Valais he didn't really have any competition after one day anymore. I'm not saying you're wrong about his potential, but he isn't winning 'time after time' like you say. :)

[Rally Talent]

All drivers have their ups and downs of course, but if you look back how he's done over the last 2-3 years in rallies, it's quite convincing stuff. It's not only about being fast, it's about being fast when you have to be fast to make the difference - and to the finish line.


Well, Lappi quite stupidly crashed in Ypres and Barum. On Valais he didn't really have any competition after one day anymore. I'm not saying you're wrong about his potential, but he isn't winning 'time after time' like you say. :)

[Mirek]

You must be joking Mirek. Do you remamber season 2003 in ERC? Bruno Thiry was fighting head to head against Miguel Campos and:

Thiry - competed in 10 rallies, finished 8 (in all rallies he was 1st or 2nd overal), just 2 technical problems in the whole season, became champion

Campos - competed in 11 rallies, finished 8, only 1 technical problem in the whole season, 2nd in the championship, Campos also had a record of over 50 finished rallies in a row, I think it was between 2002 and 2004

Now look at the 208 T16 of Breen and Abbring, the 207 S2000 of Consani or the Fiesta R5 of Kajto...

Since January 2009 till October 2014 there have been 3 mechanical-related retirements of factory Škodas. In 6 full seasons with several championships run in the same time, sometimes with 3-4 cars on the start. The very first mechanical-related retirement came in August 2012, that is after almost 4 years. This is for sure the all-time record of any team in rallying. Also for example BRR managed to run Fabias for several years without a single retirement caused by technical problem (I think 3 years or so till it happened for the first time).

As I said R5 have problem with the rules forcing stock components in them but the S2000/WRC/RRC formula allows to build an extremely reliable cars. See VW or Citroën WRC cars. Those also break only very rarely.

It's hard to comment about privateers because You never know how they maintain the car. If they do all service according to the plan, if they use proper parts etc. but the factory teams show what is possible. None of the teams in the past could have done whole season without a retirement caused by mechanical failure.

You can not make a statistic out of two drivers in one season. They were not the only ones competing. Besides that this record is nothing extraordinary. Lappi had no technical problem in the whole 2014 season. Shall I make statistic out of him?

[Rally Talent]

This is very true. Skoda has enabled success for many young drivers with their amazing reliability.

[WUff1]

One more time a bad day for Polish rallying. Especially for Kajto, maybe he´ll loose top 3 position in ERC now, I don´t know.

[JAM]

Isn't Esapekka already European Champion?

After Valais he has 161 points (123 + 25 + 7+6) against 128 from Wiegand (104 + 15 + 4+5).

How many results count on the second part of the championship? Tried the regulations about it, but didn't found.

[stefanvv]

How many results count on the second part of the championship? Tried the regulations about it, but didn't found.

That must be 4

[Rally Talent]

The regulations are nothing but clear, could someone clarify how it goes...?

[JAM]

That must be 4

On the first parte of the ERC they were 4 results in 6 rallyes. Now on the the second part we have 5 rallyes... and 4 results? Well, with 4 results then Esapekka is almost champion, but not yet champion.

[liposh]

On the first parte of the ERC they were 4 results in 6 rallyes. Now on the the second part we have 5 rallyes... and 4 results? Well, with 4 results then Esapekka is almost champion, but not yet champion.
Just trust me :-D See my post above.

[Eli]

so what's the overall points standings?

[Jarek Z]

As I said R5 have problem with the rules forcing stock components in them but the S2000/WRC/RRC formula allows to build an extremely reliable cars.

Why then were S2000 cars killed by the FIA if there is nothing good that can replace them? :(

[John Williams]

Why then were S2000 cars killed by the FIA if there is nothing good that can replace them? :(

FIA will tell you that is to save costs.

They could be correct.

[JAM]

Just trust me :-D See my post above.

I trusted :D

[Mirek]

Great onboard of Abbring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxvpEk3zxo

And Škoda onboards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raEp6W7mVA4

[stefanvv]

Great onboard of Abbring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxvpEk3zxo

Interesting moment @0:19. Amazing drive. This man should be in WRC, or at least deserves a reliable car

[Jarek Z]

so what's the overall points standings?

According to http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/lappi-na-bis,57969 the ERC standings after Valais looks like this:
1. Lappi 161,
2. Wiegand 128,
3. Breen 104,
4. Kajetanowicz 100,
5. Pech 63,
6. Gryazin 53,
7. Consani 50,
8. Tänak 44,
9. Magalhães 44,
10. Kubica 39.

So theoretically Wiegand can still catch Lappi, when he wins Tour de Corse and gets 25+7+7=39 points.

[Mirek]

Spectacular video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSFM8iCMW7c

[manthey]

Great onboard of Abbring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxvpEk3zxo


I listened Kevin (and Craig too) used the term "maybe"....what's the meaning/interpretation of this note?

[manthey]

Spectacular video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSFM8iCMW7c

very nice thanks!

@ 1:27 good ALS sound by Abbring's T16 and by Kevin @ 1:52 & 3:26

[mousti]

I listened Kevin (and Craig too) used the term "maybe"....what's the meaning/interpretation of this note?

Maybe Flat out/A fond?

[RS]

I listened Kevin (and Craig too) used the term "maybe"....what's the meaning/interpretation of this note?

I thought it just meant 'be cautious' ie. 'Slippy maybe' under trees where it is still damp etc.

[tommeke_B]

I listened Kevin (and Craig too) used the term "maybe"....what's the meaning/interpretation of this note?

It means what it says: maybe. With only 2x recce (on relatively slow speed), and possibly having to do one or more of stages partially covered in snow/ice/slush/wet, it's likely that for some places you can't exactly tell if it's flat out or not, if you can cut or not etc.. Also the "maybe" can be used for places where road conditions are likely to change. For example a corner with a cut that can get really dirty during the first loop.

[Juha_Koo]

I listened Kevin (and Craig too) used the term "maybe"....what's the meaning/interpretation of this note?

Atleast in Finnish pace note language some drivers use "maybe" to indicate that corner might be (=may be) a little faster than the note tells (if you have a good line, good braking, when the grip is good, etc.). That ofcourse when the "maybe" is a stand-alone note, not the case when something is e.g. "maybe slippy" or "ice maybe", etc.

[manthey]

I give you the precise references in the context:

@ 0:46 & 3:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxqlPTYY0LQ

@1:31 ???



@ 0:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxvpEk3zxo
few more
@ 1:44 ???????
@ 2:03 "negative"?

[EightGear]

'Negative' is for negative camber.

@1:44 is 'Slippy.'

[Mirek]

Accident of Tarabus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eJkqpfiwpA

And another spectacular stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALr3xFyr9cY

[PLuto]

I was also on stages this time and I must say, that Renault Clio R3T is really powerful (especially in terms of acceleration), but for watching it is disaster. It is much worse than my first experience with DS3 R3T (it was on same rally). I dont like rally future in turbo cars...

[WRC1]

my "best of" Gallery from Rally du Valais 2014

http://www.rallyepics.at/wp/?page_id=558&album=9&gallery=85

hope you like it!